Locked Out and Liens In - Porsha vs Simon House Drama: Reali-TEA Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. All Right, rain Dross, If you've been sipping with us, then you know Reality Crime Stories is where glam meets grit and the headlines always comes with a sight of hard truth.

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Speaker 2: Every week, Courtney Parker and I put back the velvet robe on fame, fortune and the fallout they try to hide.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Carlos, Everything from reality TV scandals to the crimes committed behind the cameras, whether it happens on or off the screen, Carlos and I will bring you the tea surrounding hot topic crime stories involving all of your favorite reality TV personalities.

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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child is that in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal. Hey, rain Jobs another episode of Reality Crime Stories with Courtney Parker.

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Speaker 2: We are diving into.

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Speaker 1: The ongoing saga that is Portia Williams and her ex husband Signi Well Badia. So Courtney Parker, are you ready for what is this? Courtney Like park eighteen fo Okay, yeah too?

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Speaker 3: The divorce story that just keeps on giving Like this is a reality show in and of itself, and I actually love it. This time, however, Carlos, I have taken a turn for what the rain drops will say the better, because as this thing continues to drag out, I become of.

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Speaker 4: Less empathetic towards Simon and more.

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Speaker 3: Teen Porsche, more and more Team Porsche, because I can only imagine how she must be feeling just everything regarding this never ending saga that is her life and her divorce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, listen, that's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: So we have our resident ex spur Steve joining us in a bit. But let me update the rain drops coordinate on exactly what we're talking about today. The title of this episode is locked out and leans in you knowsessment titles, So to catch you all up, rain Drop Porsche Williams ex husband Simon Gobadia. As you know, they finalize their divorce. Okay, he purchased a seven point three million dollar mansion that has been under more legal paperwork, then throw pillows, Hey Pampa by Porsche. But the finalization of Portion and Simon's very contentious divorce, Simon was ordered to cover the mortgage and household bills for three full years to the tune of forty thousand dollars a month, then spousal support for like I said, three years. However, Simon is allegedly cutting corners by leaving mortgage payments unpaid, lean's piling up, and Portie inevitably the one holding the bag. So must show that his own lawyer filed a lead against the house for over two hundred thousand dollars in unpaid fees. So now the very home that was supposed to symbolize Mada Bliss has become a court house hostage.

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Speaker 2: So, Courtney, what is going on in this? So I didn't know this?

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Speaker 1: So it's actually Simon's lawyer, Yeah, that filed the lean against the house.

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Speaker 3: Listen, We're gonna have Steve talk about it from the legal perspective. But again, we kind of call this when when Simon got kicked out of the country when he was deported. Everything that came against him in the United States he could run for from he doesn't. He's not obligated to do uphold anything within the United States.

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Speaker 2: What are they going to do.

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Speaker 3: He's no longer a citizen, he's no longer a resident, He's no longer obligated to do anything. And this just goes to show that this isn't just about mispayments here. This is about the optics. Court documents show late notices, they show unpaid balances, lean stacking up faster than housewife shades on a reunion. But for someone who flaunted private jets and designer suits, this feels a lot like malicious intent. Remember when the world, including myself, was feeling like Portia's team tipped off Vice to get him deported. Simon is now taking the position of no accountability or obligation to the American court system or their divorce.

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Speaker 1: So let's bring in Courtney, our resident attorney, Steve Suzoo, our legal expert, so that we are able to really decipher exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 5: Happy to be back.

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Speaker 2: We are so happy to have you back. So let's just get right into it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So did I say, we predicted all of this month or so ago. I'm sorry to me, said.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, listen, don't be sorry. We it's the reason why I'm going to expert and courty. I are the nosy journalist. Hey, Poorsche, So talk to us about the latest and greatest. So, Cordy and I have just discovered that Simon's lawyer is the one who filed the two hundred thousand dollars lean against the Hull.

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Speaker 2: Talk to us about that. How did that happen? But most importantly, why is that happening?

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Speaker 5: Well? And so, a lot of states allow these kind of let's call it a mechanical lean, if you will, where a lawyer can file against somebody's property. New York does not. Some states allow it, and it's you write it into the retainer agreement. Where you're where you're where you're committed to legal fees based on your assets, and a lawyer can file a lee. It's fairly common in a lot of states, not New York. New York doesn't doesn't allow lawyers to do that.

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Speaker 3: Right, let me ask a question, if I might, Carlos, So you kind of predicted this? You absolutely not? Kind of you predicted this when we were running with the notion of did porsious team call Ice tip Ice off to have him deported? And you over emphasize and stressed the fact that it would not be in their best interest even though it was considered a legal strategy, it would it would be a strategy that backfired. Does de portion excuse Simon from pain.

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Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't. It doesn't excuse him. But you know, an unenforceable order is is worthless. I mean, it has no it has no meaning. Look, there's a couple of agreements. There's a treaty out there, the Hague Treaty if your if your country is a signatory, and that that they they will allow the signature countries to enforce support orders from the United States or to the United States. But for several reasons, it doesn't help Poorsha here. One is Nigeria is not a signatory to the Hague Treaty. And two, the United States is only a signatory and so far as child support obligations are concerned, and we know there are no children here, so that that that really doesn't help. Really, the only method by which he can enforces his assets here in the United States that's the home, of course, and hopefully it has for her sake, it has substantial equity in it. We don't know that though. We're assuming the mortgage, which is rarely public, is in the fifty percent range. That would still leave about three million dollars or so in equity. So that's not nothing. Frankly, the money is about in fact, Yeah, is Simon.

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Speaker 1: Doing this in your opinion because he wants to either make matters worse for Portia, you know, and then Leana gets the home that he owns, or is he doing this as a financial legal strategy because and if it listen, it could be both.

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Speaker 2: And if it's both, Okay, you asked the My second question first is.

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Speaker 1: What does I'm to get out of having this lean on the home net ports of a thigh thin?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean it's it's called it's called leverage, right. I mean, if he starts to pay the monthly expenses, you know that that's coming out of his pocket. On the other hand, if the house is closer to forfeiture or or or it is closer for the bank taking it back, then you know he gained some leverage. He's going to have more of an incentive to resolve this in a way that is acceptable. She can always say, hey, look, Simon, let's agree on ex will cell house. Now I get two thirds, you get one third. But he has no incentive until that happens. Let it go. Why should he care? And again, we're assuming that the mortgage is around fifty percent. It could be I don't know, twenty percent, could be eighty percent. We just don't know. My guess is that the down payment is a lot smaller than fifty percent, which means paying a lot of equity there. What does he care anyway? It's not going to be anything left at the end of it anyway. So it's a great it's a great legal strategy. That is what I would advise him to do if he was in Nigeria.

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Speaker 4: I feel so sorry.

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Speaker 3: Again, we've watched all of this play out, We've watched the kind of volley from both positions. But today, after reading this and doing our research for this episode, I really feel sorry for Porsche. She gets the divorce, she finally gets the divorce that she wants, and this marriage has this marriage and divorce has quickly become an absolute nightmare for her. Instead of peace, She's tied up in you know, more legal disaster and financial debt as a as a result of this ongoing thing with with Simon.

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Speaker 5: What could she do?

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Speaker 3: What can she do besides just sell the house because it's she's still living in the marital home.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, well they're really Look I wish there was a great strategy, but as we discussed on previous shows, it's the assets here in the United States that give her some leverage. And all we know is Simon has a has an interest in that house. That's all we know. Are there other assets here that are attachable? That's what she should be going after. She should probably have an investigator looking to see if she can track any interesting assets that he has. But if the answer to that is no, that house is it is okay.

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Speaker 1: So Simon, by the port of law, was told that he must pay the mortgage for this house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm big in Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: And by this lean happening, does this prevent him from paying the monthly mortgage payments?

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Speaker 5: No? No, absolutely, Look the lean that his attorney just put on, it is just something that secures the attorney's interest. Right if if if somebody were the want to buy the house in foreclosure, and that Lian was still outstanding, the purchaser would have to satisfy that that two hundred thousand dollars. But right now it's just it's a placeholder protecting that lawyer's interest. And by the way, interest in terms of dollars, accrues until the debt is paid.

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Speaker 3: So is it is it safe to say that not only did he is he abandoning his responsibilities to their multimillion dollar mansion, essentially obligating her to keep up the mortgage on her own, but he's also tacking on his attorney fees to the.

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Speaker 5: House and hers for nothing. Why then he's supposed to pay her attorney's fees too. That's another two fifty or so. So we're talking about half a million dollars that that is going to come out of the house and not go into either one of them. Well, indirectly, it goes to Simon because it's not out of his pocket, right, so he either bays the half a million himself or he doesn't pay the half a million. It comes out of his portion of the equity. If there's enough to cover it, and I suspect there isn't. Let's just put it this suppose there was one hundred million dollars, one hundred million dollar house, we're talking about three or four million dollars. Is what is what she's entitled to in terms of you know, the divorced settlement, right, you know mortgage is paying two or three million dollars? Is what what her get out of the divorce decree? Well, if the house is worth one hundred million dollars, it's an asset you want to preserve, right, you want to pay it down. You don't want the bank to get it is they sell it at auction penny's on a dollar. They don't want to do that. But there isn't enough left for that to be the motivating factor for Simon. There isn't enough money in the house left for it to affect Simon. But to go back to your first part of your question, one, isn't vindictive? Yeah, there's always in matrimony. Again, we talked about this several shows. There's always a vindictive aspect to matrimonial actions. Somebody wants the other party to pay, to suffer, to look bad. That's just the way it is. He being vindictive, You bet, he's being vindictive, As you said, Carlos it's both. The answer is both. He's doing it for two reasons, both of them, as you mentioned, addictiveness, and it's a smart legal strategy, is it right, Courtney? No, it is he a deadbeat? Yeah'd be. We're taking care of his responsibility. Yeah, he should be. But we don't live in a perfect world.

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Speaker 2: So I have a question.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to throw out there and wait for all the comments to come rolling in.

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Speaker 4: Do we think.

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Speaker 3: That Simon is a mastermind with this play or rain drops?

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Speaker 4: If I can call your rain drops rain drops, Carly.

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Speaker 3: This is it serves Porsche right for thinking she was the exception to the rule.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean legally with you know, lawyers, you're not supposed to have heart or emotion when it comes to the other party. As far as if you are Simon's lawyer, she could. She could be living on the street for all you care. We don't. We're not. Our interest is in our client. The client comes first, not the client sex wife. And so no, I don't. I don't think there's any interest whatsoever do it. Do I feel bad for her on some level? Yeah? Absolutely. Anybody who gets who gets treated in this way, you know, there's it's a reason to feel our sympathy. But if I were Simon's Laura, I wouldn't feel the slightest bit of sympathy for her whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Let's flip it.

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Speaker 3: If you were Porsche's lawyer, how what and how would you be advising her right now?

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Speaker 5: Well, if I was the lawyer who suggested dropping the immigration time on him, I would be hiding out someplace, living, presumably in the witness security program because whoever advised that, forever, whoever dropped that that idea is it really should be? I mean, actually shout so you know, But you have to be telling her I think you do just as I'm telling you, if you're honest and look, I have no interest in the outcome, right I have. I can be completely objective about this. The answer to your client who says, what am I going to do about it? Is you better hold onto that house and sell it as quickly as you can because you don't have any other leverage. Right, And she's going to say I'm not doing that. I'm you know, she's going to be vindictive too, right, That's what happens in the matrimonial action.

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Speaker 1: And that's gonna be my thing for me because I'm not gonna go off court. I'm sorry, but for me, the million dollar question, or in this case, it's seven.

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Speaker 2: Point three million dollar question, since that's how must the house costs.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are questioning why keep this house? Why supports chemic a house that has massive mid rooms, massive land, and she's a single woman, she has one child.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you may have a big family, but for all.

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Speaker 1: The purposes, this house is a reminder of your past that you should want to be able to like step away from Courtney asked a good question about you know, legally, would you advise her to sell the house?

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Speaker 2: You're pretty much saying you would.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, let's let's say that Steve, you know, legally Porsche doesn't want to sell the house. As her attorney, what legal sort of leverage does she have to stand on by keeping the house? If there is any or or or or is this a situation where a client is more concerned about the vanity of a man time min dollar house versus the smart strategy of letting this go move on with your life.

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Speaker 2: So this guy doesn't have something like this to do to you.

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Speaker 5: Again, well, look, if it depends on the client's pack sual position. If she needs money and she can't afford to wait and hold on to that judgment and watch it accumulate for the day when he either leads Nigeria or you find an asset, well, then she could wait because it technically worth millions of dollars the longer he doesn't pay it. On the other hand, you know, if she's struggling to make ends meet, well, you know she's going to have to be do the practical thing, and that's dumped that house again, assuming there's a reasonable amount of equity in it, and assuming he's willing to, you know, negotiate with her right now. He has no interest in doing so. But yeah, it depends on what the client, what the client's position.

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Speaker 3: Is, and we don't know that several people have implied or alleged that this is too extensive of a property for her to maintain, even on her Bravo Countless Ventures branding deals. If she decides that, hey, he's not fulfilling his obligations, I'm going to take over the mortgage payment.

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Speaker 4: I'll settle it.

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Speaker 3: Can she force or buy his question from him all the debt that he's accumulated.

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Speaker 5: Sure, In other words, you know that just as he has an incentive not to pay this, uh, her paying that monthly mortgage and monthly expenses really ends up in his pocket because it's contributing to the to the equity, right, and who knows how that's going to play out. So you know, look, you know, should she do that? No, she's got to dump this place. That's the reality. I mean, it's there's no, that's the asset. We keep going back to, how do you enforce the matrimonial decree? It's in effect the judgment call it agree, but it's a judgment, right enforce it. He can only enforce it rationally on assets that he has an interest in here in the United States. That's the way to do this. That That really is her only alternative. I wish there were others, but that's really it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because he can skip town, but he can't skip his.

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Speaker 5: Accountability absolutely eventually.

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Speaker 3: Right, she's living the harsh reality of his obligations now are in theory. But her obligations to the property, because her name is on it, her credit can be affected by the lane's lack of payment.

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Speaker 2: We don't know for sure that, but can it that's a good question. Can it becomes the house of done her name.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, but look it's it can because she has an interest in the property, and when that property is foreclosed, she's the one who's going to be in it, right, She's the one who's going to get kicked out. She's the one they're going to drag out while the marshalls go in and the sheriff goes in and takes over the property and they take all the contents and all the belongings and so on and so forth. So I don't know if her name is actually on the d but still she's going to go down as the wife of the guy who's you know whatever, seven million dollar mansion was seized, and it's not a good position to be in.

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Speaker 4: I do believe her house is on.

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Speaker 5: The d Like, if her name is on the deed, then she's she's responsible. It's the mortgage on her, correct, She's one. I mean, for the most part, you're your tenants by the entirety. If you're married, you know, you get automatic rights to each other's if you somebody else house dies or something. But yeah, she's gonna she's gonna be a responsible she's gotta she's gotta dump the place again, unless there are some secret assets there. She's got a private investigator who's tracking down Simon's asset as we speak. But again, I mean, but that's what I would advise the client to do. But that quests money. Now, finding a financial investigator to track down assets is a really expensive proposition.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like Simon is hiding. If he's hiding, he's hiding in plain sight. He's in Dubai with his youngest.

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Speaker 2: Daughter right now.

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Speaker 3: He's all over social media, so he's actively letting you know what he's doing. And it's very clear from these lians what he's not doing.

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Speaker 5: It's one way to put it. That's right. He's not saying he's not saying his death absolutely a deadbeat. I mean, let's face it, he's walking away from the woman he married and the woman he promised the life too and promised a and he's just simply walking away from it because he doesn't like the result of the judgment. That's not how things work. He doesn't like the fact that he had a prenuptial that was enforced, doesn't like the fact that the court order. You know, that's it's not right. But he's showing the world. Hey, I don't care, come get me. You know where I asked a known scammer.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say this now, but no, it's like everything that he read we read about him, from the very first episode of Reality Crime Stories, the deportation fiasco, the fraud to get back into the US, to the scam allegations.

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Speaker 5: To the just all of it.

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Speaker 2: It's well, that's the joy of it, right.

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Speaker 5: The joy of is he he get all this sympathy because he was held in detention for several months and now all of a sudden, folks that don't realize, wait a minute, he was able as a result of that, he was able to get out from under a seven million dollar a judgment against them. Not that, Carl, that's a thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. How do you.

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Speaker 3: Feel about how Porstia's publicly handling this?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think the fact that she has allowed the chatter to.

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Speaker 2: Be the bloggers and not necessarily her.

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Speaker 1: They are filming the new season of Atlanta Housewives that's been widely reported, so possibly we get to hear about this on the upcoming season. But I think in terms of her silence, I think that's and I'm sure any lawyer would say it's best to not say anything to something at all. So, unlike Simon, who is doing interviews, Portia hasn't said much about the latest discovery. And look, it is one of those things where I do want to ask you this, Steve. If Simon fails to pay any of the mortgage in this home, although it was granted by the judge, he should, what happens to him.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to pay any mortgage fees. I don't feel like doing that.

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Speaker 5: Probably nothing, because if there's enough equity in the house. Uh, then the bank is just going to foreclose sell the property. And the difference between what they get for the house and what is oh, they'll just simply write off is a bad debt and you take a tax deduction on that, and most banks are very happy about it. And once you write it off, that's it. It's no longer enforceable. Uh. And and theoretically, if he was in the US, you'd have to include that write off on his tax return because it's income. If you will, you know that the satisfaction of the debt is income or the whether or the destruction of the debt. So that's what the bank would do. They're not going it come it's not worth it. We're going to pursue them in New Jersey. They're going to take a write off and be better and be better for it.

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Speaker 3: Really, ask this one question, because you just raise a good point. If he but if they can't find him and they're not going to pursue looking for him to pay the debt, does Porscha now have the right to not.

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Speaker 4: If she says she sells the house, does she have the right to not pay him? And unless she can't find him.

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Speaker 5: It depends on what It depends on what's in the decree. But if there's any ambiguity, what you'd go go, you know, in a few months from now, say, and if they were still not making the payments, you'd go back to the judge and say, look, he's not complying with your obligation. The only thing I had choice I have now is to sell the house, get the aquity equity out of it. May I have permission to sell it now and deduct what he hasn't paid me from his fifty percent of The judge I'm sure would approve. And the sooner they do that the better.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they approve it.

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Speaker 4: She gets the check, she's supposed to legally say.

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Speaker 2: She gets eight, she makes eight million.

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Speaker 3: Dollars, right, and he's entitled to four minus whatever debt he owes that he didn't pay.

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Speaker 5: If they clear eight public.

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Speaker 3: If they clear eight, she takes her four. There's three if it.

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Speaker 5: Left, if she's if she's made whole and there's something left in the residuary of the sale, yeah, then he'd be Entitledho was fifty he do the numbers, forty five hundred thousand dollars an alimony for fourteen months. Let's say that you know you're going to forget the expenses because you're going to sell the price. You know, if there's anything left, he gets a piece of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Why she can't find him, like he's disappeared in plain sight? Is it her obligation to try to find him to pay him the money from for his seller, I mean for his share of the house.

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Speaker 5: Well no, Look the way the closing, the closing would work would be whatever's left would be held in the closing attorney's escroyd count and they reach out to them saying, hey, we got to we got a million dollars for you. Where do we send it? I can you can be certain. Simon would say, here are the wire transfer information. You would be gone in a minute if there's anything left. If there's anything left.

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Speaker 1: This is this is beyond fascinating because again it sort of shows you the strategy that goes into play when you're dealing with marriage that has gone through divorce, allegations of scamming, international play.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 2: I I'm therown away by exactly what I mean, blown away. Excuse I'm blown.

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Speaker 1: Away by exactly the details Steve, because I'd expect any of this. I'm actually shocked by the revelation and the strategy. But again that's why people like Steve make all the big box. It is a very is what you said. It's all about who's the smartest in the room. And that's what I got from this this time episode.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I don't know if it's all about smart it's about taking advantage of the opportunity that came up. Whoever got him into ice lawyer said to him, get the hell out, you walk away from this, you'll be better off for it. And just taking advantage of the of the factual situation is what he's doing. Now. Who could play that?

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Speaker 2: My last question.

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Speaker 1: Based on that, based on the fact that him being called by caught by ice benefit of him in the long run, well in the short run, because this is happening now, could Simon have called ice on himself?

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Speaker 5: You know what you've said, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it was some sort of a plan. Right, although again, rather than spending four months, other than spending four months in iced attention, I would have just gone back to Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: That's true, Okay said, Well, you know, he has.

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Speaker 3: An ego, so he probably never suspected he retained for that long though, so it could have been that it backfired on him as well.

00:32:24
Speaker 5: It could There only is one other theoretical.

00:32:29
Speaker 4: Four million, potentially four million dollars would you have done the time, Carlos, No, I spent four time.

00:32:42
Speaker 5: I spend a lot of time in jail and I can't wait to leave as soon as I get there. So so how four months is a long time, especially if you're in an ICED attention facility forget about? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah interesting, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure this is not going to be the.

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Speaker 2: Last, right right, Here's.

00:33:05
Speaker 5: Please our folks anytime to joy to see you guys will be on the show again anytime.

00:33:10
Speaker 1: Oh, Corney, Courtney, Courtney, that that was a gag of the gag, gag a gag.

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Speaker 3: So you asked a great question though, like did he call ice on himself? We're gonna have to do some investigating because you know this is not it. This is not over with Simon. I know Porschas some were sitting saying, I wish this was over for for for.

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Speaker 2: Me, yes, and I want to get going for her too.

00:33:38
Speaker 1: It's a tough little swallow. It's like they never ending saga, a divorce. But yeah, but like you said, who knows what's next from this crazy story?

00:33:49
Speaker 2: Who knows what's next?

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Speaker 4: And we'll be ready for part twenty five.

00:33:54
Speaker 2: Yes we are. We are so rain drops.

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