UNEXPLAINED ENTITY WITH WINGS ENCOUNTER IN ALABAMA | THE NIGHT THE SKY WENT SILENT

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, and welcome to Sasquatch Theory. Tonight's guest comes
<v Speaker 1>out of Alabama with a lifetime of encounters that defy explanation,
<v Speaker 1>from a metallic wing creature he saw as a child,
<v Speaker 1>to glowing amber orbs, shadowy entities, and a massive black
<v Speaker 1>triangle in the sky. Steve's story pushes far beyond what
<v Speaker 1>most people are willing to talk about. Overall. I am
<v Speaker 1>looking for Bigfoot reports to help with the research, but
<v Speaker 1>every now and then I get strange experiences reported and
<v Speaker 1>locked down on the channel, and I just want to
<v Speaker 1>know what they are and if other people have seen
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<v Speaker 1>all that being said, let's dive straight and too Steve's
<v Speaker 1>strange unexplained experiences from the state of Alabama. All right, Steve,
<v Speaker 1>welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>I'm good? How about yourself?
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing really good. Thank you so much for asking,
<v Speaker 1>Steve if you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your experiences from the very beginning.
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm forty five year old from North Alabama.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a minister. I work as a chaplain and I've
<v Speaker 2>been doing that for about fourteen years. Two kids, musician artist.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you for sharing that with me, Steve. What
<v Speaker 1>was the first strange experience that you had in your life.
<v Speaker 2>At the very beginning. The first strange thing that happened
<v Speaker 2>to me when I was about, i'd say about six
<v Speaker 2>years old. This is back in like nineteen eighty five.
<v Speaker 2>I was playing with g I Joe's under an old
<v Speaker 2>oak tree at my grandmother's house and I felt a
<v Speaker 2>woosh of wind come down on my neck, and when
<v Speaker 2>I looked up, there was this huge bug looking creature
<v Speaker 2>just levitating in the air. It was just flying. It
<v Speaker 2>had wings, and it looked it looked just like a
<v Speaker 2>jute bug, which is a type of a flying beetle,
<v Speaker 2>but it's it's exoskeleton was a shiny red like a
<v Speaker 2>like almost like a paint job on a hot raw,
<v Speaker 2>just a candy apple red and it had some metallic
<v Speaker 2>looking parts on its abdomen, which I only got to
<v Speaker 2>see it for just a second or two, and I
<v Speaker 2>really couldn't tell if it was a type of machinery
<v Speaker 2>or if it was something alive. But I knew in
<v Speaker 2>my little six year old mind that it was something
<v Speaker 2>unique and special. And I've in the age of Internet
<v Speaker 2>searching and stuff, I've looked for anything and everything that
<v Speaker 2>could what it could be, but I knew it was
<v Speaker 2>something that was not normal. I guess paranormal is the
<v Speaker 2>best explanation that could be. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it sounds alien to me. Like you said, it
<v Speaker 1>was either some type of technology or possibly an entity.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was beautiful though, Like I was,
<v Speaker 2>just I was mismerized by it, and I've thought about
<v Speaker 2>it all these years. You know, I'm here, you know,
<v Speaker 2>forty years later, and I'm just as puzzled now, if
<v Speaker 2>not more puzzled.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it was a metallic color, is that correct?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It was like chrome, but it was a beautiful red.
<v Speaker 2>It was not like any kind of red I've ever seen.
<v Speaker 2>It was just a beautiful, bright red and it was
<v Speaker 2>metallic looking, like shiny and chrome.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like a June bugs like that green chameleon color.
<v Speaker 1>This was like a red chameleon color, you can say.
<v Speaker 2>Like an irridescent kind of like I had a dazzling
<v Speaker 2>quality about it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's creepy. So did it just hover in place?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just was sitting there looking at me, flying
<v Speaker 2>but it's wings sounded. It was definitely flapping wings though,
<v Speaker 2>But it was beautiful. I was just captivated by it,
<v Speaker 2>and I still am. I would love to know what
<v Speaker 2>that is and what it was doing. Yeah, I've thought
<v Speaker 2>about it all these years.
<v Speaker 1>I know this is going to sound strange and the
<v Speaker 1>listeners always think that I'm like pulling these stories out
<v Speaker 1>of my behind. But this was like during the time
<v Speaker 1>that I was having my bigfoot encounters. And I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what it was, but it was like a white
<v Speaker 1>ball that was moving as fast as like a hummingbird,
<v Speaker 1>but it almost looked like a DJI drone or something.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a drone though, there was no sound, but
<v Speaker 1>it moves so fast. And this was during the daytime.
<v Speaker 1>It was a beautiful day, and it like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it was like the size of a volleyball, but it
<v Speaker 1>seemed like some type of technology. I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>it was. Still this day, I always think about it,
<v Speaker 1>but it kind of what you said kind of reminded
<v Speaker 1>me of that because it was almost like a bug,
<v Speaker 1>but you can tell it was like something technological.
<v Speaker 2>Was it like a really brought unnaturally brought light.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a light. It almost looked like, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like something made by Mac like that white Mac looking color.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, Yeah, I don't know. It was definitely machinery,
<v Speaker 1>but it seemed like it was alive, like it had
<v Speaker 1>some type of intelligence. I don't know what it was,
<v Speaker 1>and I still scratched my head as to what that
<v Speaker 1>could have been.
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that great? You just you gotta live it, man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some things we see that you never hear
<v Speaker 1>stories from anyone else, and it's like, what the hell
<v Speaker 1>was that?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Man? Yeah, I used to say orbs at my
<v Speaker 2>wife's grandmother's house, and I have two witnesses that would
<v Speaker 2>they would attest to it, probably if I could get
<v Speaker 2>them on the show. But before me and my wife
<v Speaker 2>bought our first house, we were young and we lived
<v Speaker 2>with her grandmother in a totally separate side of the house,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like her grandparents were like the archie bunker
<v Speaker 2>type that, you know, one lived at one end of
<v Speaker 2>the house and the other lived at the other end
<v Speaker 2>of the house. So after the husband passed away, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we kind of moved in with her for just a
<v Speaker 2>little while to you know, just to get ready to
<v Speaker 2>buy a house. And anyhow, I used to be a
<v Speaker 2>smoker and I would have to go outside to smoke,
<v Speaker 2>so when I go out in the evening. Her grandmother
<v Speaker 2>lives in Russellville, Alabama, which is you know, it's just
<v Speaker 2>a little country, small town Alabama, you know. But her
<v Speaker 2>grandmother's house has a few sparse lots of trees that
<v Speaker 2>go in between the houses there, and I kept seeing
<v Speaker 2>these little amber colored or looking things, and there was
<v Speaker 2>like a dozen of them. But I knew they were
<v Speaker 2>something alive or something that had intelligence because they just
<v Speaker 2>frolicked around the top of the trees. Like the best
<v Speaker 2>way to describe it is they were just dancing around
<v Speaker 2>like if you was to take a laser pointer and
<v Speaker 2>just kind of move it around in erratic movements. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't falling stars or nothing, because it didn't fall into trajectory,
<v Speaker 2>you know. It was something that zig zagged around and
<v Speaker 2>like they had an intelligence and I saw them probably
<v Speaker 2>about four or five times out there. And one time
<v Speaker 2>my wife's cousin and his girlfriend came over to visit,
<v Speaker 2>and they love ghost stuff, you know. I told them,
<v Speaker 2>I said, you guys ain't gonna believe this, but I've
<v Speaker 2>been seeing these orbs around Mama's house. And they were like, nah,
<v Speaker 2>no way. I said, I bet you if we go
<v Speaker 2>outside right now, we would probably see them. And I mean,
<v Speaker 2>just pretty as a penny as soon as we walked outside.
<v Speaker 2>And it's one of those things that you just have
<v Speaker 2>to be looking at the right place at the right time,
<v Speaker 2>and there they were just dancing in the trees and
<v Speaker 2>they were just blowed away by it. And later after
<v Speaker 2>me and my wife had had children. This is gosh,
<v Speaker 2>probably about seven or eight years ago, but we were
<v Speaker 2>staying at one of the state lodges here in Alabama.
<v Speaker 2>It's Joe Wheeler Lodge, which is a nice you know,
<v Speaker 2>like nineteen seventies or sixties era state lodges. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's like a piece of time, you know. So we
<v Speaker 2>were there outside and we were all in the pool
<v Speaker 2>and we were kind of huddled up and I was
<v Speaker 2>just looking at the right direction at the right time,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw one of those lights. It was just
<v Speaker 2>one single light, but it was the same kind like
<v Speaker 2>it was the amber colored light, just like was at
<v Speaker 2>Mamall's house, you know. But I saw it go out
<v Speaker 2>of a tree and it flew in somebody's room and
<v Speaker 2>they didn't even know it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what do you think? The orbs are?
<v Speaker 2>Not a clue? Man? They could be spirits. Who knows,
<v Speaker 2>they could be something that just lives in a dimension
<v Speaker 2>next door to ours, or I mean, who knows. It's
<v Speaker 2>anybody's guess. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, people see the orbs with cryptid creatures. They also
<v Speaker 1>see them with like alien and UFO activity and also
<v Speaker 1>paranor paranormal and supernatural phenomenon.
<v Speaker 3>So it's yeah, that's why I believe everything, somehow, some
<v Speaker 3>way is connected, Like there's a spiritual aspect to to.
<v Speaker 2>All phenomenon whatever it may be. We just don't know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, we can we can only say so far
<v Speaker 2>down the road, you know. As a believer in God,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know that from where God's so he
<v Speaker 2>can say a lot further down the road, you know,
<v Speaker 2>which is just my personal belief. But yeah, I believe
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Bible speaks of of you know, being
<v Speaker 2>in the spirit or it definitely alludes to there being
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a spiritual world, you know, I guess
<v Speaker 2>layered onto this world.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. And as a minister, what do you think
<v Speaker 1>the crypto subject is? Like, what do you think these
<v Speaker 1>cryptive creatures are?
<v Speaker 2>Well, me personally, I'm open to two views. I'm open
<v Speaker 2>to the fact that they could just be a separate
<v Speaker 2>creation of God, you know, something from a real bygone time,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Or and this type really ties into what
<v Speaker 2>I really wanted to talk to you about today. I
<v Speaker 2>believe that, you know, when you talk about the niphyline,
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're acquainted with that subject. I heard a
<v Speaker 2>caller on a show, actually, I've heard a couple of
<v Speaker 2>callers on your show. It was some really interesting things
<v Speaker 2>that just kind of really led me to contact you
<v Speaker 2>because I you know, I like your point of view
<v Speaker 2>of things. You know, I'm open to anything, But I
<v Speaker 2>really believe that the niphilin the dead giants like when
<v Speaker 2>they died, I believe that their spirits became demons, their
<v Speaker 2>disembodied spirits, or they could be just spirits that God created.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but you know, the fallen angels reproduced
<v Speaker 2>with women, and that's where the giants came from. So
<v Speaker 2>they're not necessarily a creation of God. Kind of like
<v Speaker 2>a mule. You know, a mule is a product of
<v Speaker 2>a horse and a donkey. So I kind of always
<v Speaker 2>ponder the question did God make the mule? God? God
<v Speaker 2>made the genetic material that creates a mule, and he
<v Speaker 2>made the creatures that make a mule. So I think
<v Speaker 2>that that's kind of what the niphilimo are there. They're
<v Speaker 2>not a direct creation of God. They're a perverted a
<v Speaker 2>perversion of God's creation.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point. And it's almost like there's
<v Speaker 1>wolves and coyotes, but then you have all these different
<v Speaker 1>breeds of dogs and it's almost like a demon as
<v Speaker 1>like a chihuahua or something.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the Book of Genesis call I believe is
<v Speaker 2>that might be referring referring to the seed of the serpent.
<v Speaker 2>That might be what is he's speaking about there. But
<v Speaker 2>there's a story in the Bible that really just blows
<v Speaker 2>me away, and it talks about when Jesus cast the
<v Speaker 2>the spirits out of the possessed man. They had a
<v Speaker 2>desire to inhabit a body. They longed for that, so
<v Speaker 2>Jesus allowed them. When he cast them out of that man,
<v Speaker 2>he permitted their desire and they went into the pigs.
<v Speaker 2>So it's not just humans that they can influence. It's
<v Speaker 2>all so animals are not anything created.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's an excellent point and it definitely makes me wonder.
<v Speaker 1>There's got to be an answer as to why there's
<v Speaker 1>cryptid creatures being seen around the world. And the sad
<v Speaker 1>part is that science doesn't have an answer. But yet
<v Speaker 1>the Bible does give clues as to what's going on,
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people can scoff at the Bible,
<v Speaker 1>but the ancient world was pretty advanced, because they still
<v Speaker 1>can't figure out where the pyramids came from and all
<v Speaker 1>these ancient civilizations, and I think that they were a
<v Speaker 1>lot more technological than what people would like to believe.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, And you know, the science that we
<v Speaker 2>know of, you know, there was a time before the
<v Speaker 2>known science that we know was known. You know, there's
<v Speaker 2>things probably yet to be understood. But if things are falling,
<v Speaker 2>Angels they've been around a lot longer than us, and
<v Speaker 2>they're privy to knowledge that we don't know. So I
<v Speaker 2>think that somehow, some way, people in the know, i e.
<v Speaker 2>The you know, the hidden hand behind the curtain. There's
<v Speaker 2>probably a select few people that know all the secrets.
<v Speaker 2>Like they may know exactly what sasquatch are glowing, orbs
<v Speaker 2>and UFOs and dog men, little people, you know, the predator,
<v Speaker 2>creature whatever, fill in the blank, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I mean I feel like things are being
<v Speaker 1>manipulated and hidden from us, and it's got to be
<v Speaker 1>advanced technology, portals, other creatures, other beings and things of
<v Speaker 1>that nature.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Man, it just hurts my brain to ponder about
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff because I mean we probably only know
<v Speaker 2>just a surface, a surface knowledge of things, and it's
<v Speaker 2>all through collected stories.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, you'll wonder and wonder about it and then
<v Speaker 1>get nowhere. But someone on this planet knows what's going on.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's groups of people that know.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, hence the secrecy. I know a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people say, well, they don't tell us because it's a
<v Speaker 2>security or you know, it would put the bed the
<v Speaker 2>fuel industry overnight it was zero point energy. But I
<v Speaker 2>think there's just more to it than that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, You've always heard that knowledge is power, and it
<v Speaker 1>really is. We're being cut from the truth.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's not fair. You know, it's not fair.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I guess it's the journey not destination
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Okay, Steve, So what else have you experienced
<v Speaker 1>in your life? Do you have any other encounters with
<v Speaker 1>the paranormal, strange things that you can't explain, or with
<v Speaker 1>your line of work that you've heard.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, gosh, I've had I've heard. I've heard a few
<v Speaker 2>stories from clients that I've had through the years that
<v Speaker 2>are just really befuddling. But I know that absolutely they're
<v Speaker 2>telling the truth. But I'd really like to just tell
<v Speaker 2>you what happened to me. You know, it's been probably
<v Speaker 2>about close to fourteen years ago. I live in northwest
<v Speaker 2>Alabama in a little town called Tuscumbia, uh, birthplace of
<v Speaker 2>Hell and Killer. And I was outside one night and
<v Speaker 2>I used to like to just walk around outside in
<v Speaker 2>the yard and just kind of collect my thoughts and
<v Speaker 2>you know, just meditate and reflect on the day. And
<v Speaker 2>there was a bit of business probably about maybe one
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards south of me, so they had, you know,
<v Speaker 2>bright security lights in the back. So I was just
<v Speaker 2>looking up at the sky it was a clear night,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw a glint from the light below, like
<v Speaker 2>a like just a glint of light, and I noticed
<v Speaker 2>that it just kept going and going like it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was a long straight line, and it's kind of
<v Speaker 2>one of them do you remember them pictures where you
<v Speaker 2>had to find the sailboat with your eyes and you
<v Speaker 2>kind of had to relax your eyes. I never did
<v Speaker 2>say the sailboat, by the way, But once I saw
<v Speaker 2>that reflection of the light, the whole thing became clear,
<v Speaker 2>like you could clearly decipher it and see it. And
<v Speaker 2>it was a massive black triangle like a wedge. It
<v Speaker 2>was thick, but it had straight edges in a triangular shape,
<v Speaker 2>and the top of the bottom was perfectly flat, and
<v Speaker 2>it was like a mate, a mate finish kind of
<v Speaker 2>it was smooth. But I was just absolutely astonished by this.
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't believe it because I had always kind
<v Speaker 2>of wanted to see a UFO. I've always been interested
<v Speaker 2>in all this paranormal stuff, you know, I grew up
<v Speaker 2>on unsolved mysteries and stuff like that. But when I
<v Speaker 2>saw it, I was just frozen stuff. I just couldn't
<v Speaker 2>believe it, and it just silently moved over my house,
<v Speaker 2>traveling towards Mississippi along Highway seventy two, and it was massive,
<v Speaker 2>like bigger than bigger than a super Walmart. Massive, like
<v Speaker 2>it was absolutely enormous. I couldn't believe it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've seen the same thing, and yeah, that's a
<v Speaker 1>good description. It's completely silent and it's like the size
<v Speaker 1>of a Walmart floating above you. That's that's that's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>It was a showstopper. Man. I kicked myself all the
<v Speaker 2>time for not going inside and getting my camera or
<v Speaker 2>my cell phone, but man, that was the last thing
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about. I was just absolutely mesmerized. I
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to miss it, Like I was just captivated
<v Speaker 2>by it.
<v Speaker 1>Did it have any lights on the craft?
<v Speaker 2>Nothing? There was nothing on it. It was just flat
<v Speaker 2>black surface. There were no lights, no panels, no windows,
<v Speaker 2>no sort of motor. And I couldn't believe that everybody
<v Speaker 2>didn't see it, Like it was just right there. I
<v Speaker 2>wonder how many of those things are just flying around
<v Speaker 2>all the time that you just can't see because you're
<v Speaker 2>not really looking for it. Or maybe it was a
<v Speaker 2>fluke that I caught it, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, did it feel like you were moving backwards,
<v Speaker 1>like you and the Earth were moving backwards, and this
<v Speaker 1>thing was like sitting still. Like how'd you feel whenever
<v Speaker 1>you encountered this craft?
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was just shocked. I was in shocked.
<v Speaker 2>I was just astonished, Like I felt like I felt
<v Speaker 2>like I just couldn't help, but just to look at it,
<v Speaker 2>I was blown away.
<v Speaker 1>Man, Yeah, that's amazing. Are there any military bases nearby?
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, we've got some. We got all the
<v Speaker 2>big dogs down here and in Huntsville, you know, all
<v Speaker 2>the aerospace guys, all the big time what's the blue
<v Speaker 2>little Origin guys, I mean at it all down here. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I talked to a Navy aircraft mechanic and he said
<v Speaker 1>that ninety something percent of the crafts that we see
<v Speaker 1>are from the United States military.
<v Speaker 2>Man, I know that may be true, but this thing was. Man,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they could make that thing move
<v Speaker 2>like it was just like it was effortless, Like it
<v Speaker 2>was almost like a balloon, like a my lower balloon.
<v Speaker 2>If you used to just kind of get a my
<v Speaker 2>lower balloon and just walk steady with it. It was
<v Speaker 2>just smooth cruising along.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they probably have technology that's out of this world. Well,
<v Speaker 1>they definitely do, but they just keep slowly improving the
<v Speaker 1>things that we already have, like the motor and it's
<v Speaker 1>almost like the steam engine, Like we're just adding one
<v Speaker 1>thing every year. But really we have technology like this
<v Speaker 1>triangle craft that you that you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Well, and we're and we're pretty satisfied with the cell phone.
<v Speaker 2>It's just a little square, but it gets a lot
<v Speaker 2>of our teenson, didn't it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's the thing. They have technology that could
<v Speaker 1>change the universe, and every year they're just slowly giving
<v Speaker 1>us one little thing. And I don't know it, just
<v Speaker 1>things don't really seem to be changing in our world.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like technology is rapidly improving, but the things
<v Speaker 1>that they really do have are just beyond our comprehension.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, just since I was a little boy, like the
<v Speaker 2>things that used to dazzle me as a child, like
<v Speaker 2>we had we had a tory man Like the controller
<v Speaker 2>was a was a block like a square with one
<v Speaker 2>button and a stick and that was it. And man,
<v Speaker 2>my sewing. I've got a fourteen year old soon and
<v Speaker 2>he thinks that stuff is like prehistoric, which it is
<v Speaker 2>by today's standards.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and it's crazy to think that the Roswell
<v Speaker 1>incident happened like in the thirties or forties.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and you know, I can't remember the guy's name.
<v Speaker 2>But recently there's a guy who's testified before congress Man,
<v Speaker 2>which is something I never thought I would see, you know,
<v Speaker 2>because the guy's under oath. But he I think I
<v Speaker 2>heard him on the show with somebody. He said that
<v Speaker 2>one of the craft that the military has recovered or
<v Speaker 2>knows about was part of an archaeological dig or discovery.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're talking about Bob Blazaar. I do believe.
<v Speaker 2>I believe that might be him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think there was someone on the Brogan podcast
<v Speaker 1>or Sean Ryan show. I can't remember what it's called,
<v Speaker 1>but he said that they're hiding something huge under like
<v Speaker 1>some national park or like maybe like Hoover Dam, like
<v Speaker 1>they created that to hide in. You had to cover
<v Speaker 1>one of these crafts. And it makes you wonder why
<v Speaker 1>they always create like these giant lakes for power and energy.
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like, I don't know, it seems like
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work to dam up an entire river
<v Speaker 1>that's been around for so many centuries just to create
<v Speaker 1>a lake and they're doing this all over the United States.
<v Speaker 1>It almost makes me feel like they're covering something up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they know everything that we would love
<v Speaker 2>to know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they do it.
<v Speaker 2>Just it's puzzling, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So as a minister, do you struggle with this
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon and does it contradict the by Bible in any way?
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say it contradicts it. I mean there's a
<v Speaker 2>lot of things in the Bible that was written at
<v Speaker 2>a time that you know, people described it as they
<v Speaker 2>saw it, you know, like a chariot of fire. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it might not not have been a literal chariot. The
<v Speaker 2>Bible describes the chariots of the Cherubim. Well, that means
<v Speaker 2>that's something that angels travel in, and there might be
<v Speaker 2>a glowing aspect to it, hence the you know, chariot
<v Speaker 2>of fire. But I believe that it's possible that there
<v Speaker 2>could be an angelic technology. It could just be a
<v Speaker 2>type of technology that is used or something way above
<v Speaker 2>or understanding of things as it is.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely and angels are from another world or another dimension.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's a good point that maybe they're referring
<v Speaker 1>to like UFOs and aliens and yeah, it really makes
<v Speaker 1>you wonder.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, then the Bible describes some really bizarre
<v Speaker 2>things that I mean, it just it makes my brain
<v Speaker 2>hurt to think about, you know, the different creatures that
<v Speaker 2>God could have made, and who knows. I believe he
<v Speaker 2>created everything, and you know that could include all the
<v Speaker 2>strange things that we encounter.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And you know, when you read these stories in
<v Speaker 1>the Bible, it almost sounds like they're making it up.
<v Speaker 1>And you always hear people say that, like, how do
<v Speaker 1>I know that some guy just didn't make all this
<v Speaker 1>stuff up back in the day. But in today's world,
<v Speaker 1>you hear people talking about Bigfoot, dog Man, Mothman, all
<v Speaker 1>these different crafts like the Bermuda Triangle and different dimensions
<v Speaker 1>and different worlds, and it's like, man, the stuff that
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about today can be comparable to the things
<v Speaker 1>that you hear about in the Bible.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, I really struggled out. I mean a lot
<v Speaker 2>of things happened after I saw the craft. I mean
<v Speaker 2>I had I started having encounters with demonic looking creatures
<v Speaker 2>and I know it's kind of like the jackpot slot
<v Speaker 2>of paranormal craziness that happened to me. But the very
<v Speaker 2>next night, after I saw the craft, I was asleep
<v Speaker 2>on the couch and I was awoke by a seeking
<v Speaker 2>and feeling like of dread and terror. And I opened
<v Speaker 2>my eyes and this black smoke, it almost looked like
<v Speaker 2>a cloak that just come up over the couch and
<v Speaker 2>assumed the form of a massive figure, like if the
<v Speaker 2>Incredible Hulk was a real, real size, you know, it
<v Speaker 2>was like that big. It was massive, and it came
<v Speaker 2>down over the couch and pushed its arm down across
<v Speaker 2>my chest and it pressed its face up against my face,
<v Speaker 2>and it felt like a hydraulic press was just pushing
<v Speaker 2>me down in the couch. And it literally snapped the
<v Speaker 2>wood frame in my couch, like it broke it. There
<v Speaker 2>was a crack in it. And the worst part about
<v Speaker 2>this was I could feel pure hatred and anger and
<v Speaker 2>just like a ferocious, intense anger just come out of
<v Speaker 2>this thing like a force, and I could feel it
<v Speaker 2>go right through me. And you know, everybody, you can
<v Speaker 2>probably pick the time in your life that you've been
<v Speaker 2>the most angry, like furious anger. Well that doesn't even
<v Speaker 2>begin to touch that feeling that this thing was putting off.
<v Speaker 2>And it was like the closer it got the worse.
<v Speaker 2>It was like getting close to a fire, you know
<v Speaker 2>how you when you get closer to a fire, it
<v Speaker 2>gets more hot. It was kind of like a force
<v Speaker 2>like that, like the heat from a fire. That's what
<v Speaker 2>it was. Like.
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it was targeting you?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's scary. And were you watching any paranormal stuff,
<v Speaker 1>any ghost shows during this time? Were you going through
<v Speaker 1>anything in your personal life? Can Is there anything that
<v Speaker 1>you've thought back on and maybe said, huh, maybe this
<v Speaker 1>happened because of this?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, there is, Okay, I had read about this time.
<v Speaker 2>I was working for a paper meal and I worked
<v Speaker 2>long hours and a lot of them, like it was
<v Speaker 2>rotating swing shifts. I worked twelve hours of nights for
<v Speaker 2>two weeks and then twelve hours of days for two weeks,
<v Speaker 2>and I just had a baby boy, and I hated
<v Speaker 2>that shift work, like I just I hated it. Well.
<v Speaker 2>I I wound up leaving that job to go work
<v Speaker 2>at a little, a little mom and pop extrusion shop
<v Speaker 2>like we made We made plastic plastic products. And one
<v Speaker 2>of the guys there were two owners of this business,
<v Speaker 2>and one of the guys was just he was an
<v Speaker 2>awful guy. I mean, he just I hate to say that,
<v Speaker 2>but he was just a miserable person. And you know
<v Speaker 2>he would say things to Taunty personally and just insult
<v Speaker 2>and oh man, like I would pray for him, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, it really bothered me that the guy was
<v Speaker 2>just so hateful. I felt bad for him. But I
<v Speaker 2>think that might have that might have been the thing
<v Speaker 2>that allowed it to come in into my house because
<v Speaker 2>if I mean to me personally, I don't I try
<v Speaker 2>to avoid having bad feelings toward people because I know
<v Speaker 2>that that's not what God would have me to do,
<v Speaker 2>is to horbor bad feelings and have hatred for anybody.
<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the important things is to love,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and sometimes that's a challenge, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And I mean if God did come down
<v Speaker 1>and live through Jesus, I mean, even he experienced these
<v Speaker 1>human emotions. I mean whenever he encountered Matthew, he turned
<v Speaker 1>over the tables and he was he was pretty furious.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would call that anger.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right, man. And you know, we're
<v Speaker 2>created in his image. We're the only thing that's created
<v Speaker 2>that is created in his likeness and image, which makes
<v Speaker 2>us unique amongst all creation, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it also makes it hard to love someone even
<v Speaker 1>when they're I don't know, corrupted or angry or whatever
<v Speaker 1>it is.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I, you know, traditionally I enjoy a
<v Speaker 2>good challenge, you know, but man, it was it was
<v Speaker 2>really hard to maintain composure and to not just fly
<v Speaker 2>off the handle. You know. It did bother me. But
<v Speaker 2>I'm just the kind of person that I don't like
<v Speaker 2>for anybody to be upset with me for any reason.
<v Speaker 2>It's always bothered me, Like I felt like, if I
<v Speaker 2>have a problem with somebody, I like to make it
<v Speaker 2>right while I'm in their company usually, And it's just
<v Speaker 2>something I've always I've always just been that kind of person.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, for probably about close to three weeks
<v Speaker 2>after seeing the craft, I had a lot of different
<v Speaker 2>things happened to me. In my house, I saw the
<v Speaker 2>black silhouette type creature, and probably about three or four
<v Speaker 2>days after that, I was asleep and I heard what
<v Speaker 2>sounded like hundreds of voices talking at the same time.
<v Speaker 2>It sounded like I was in a like Grand Central station,
<v Speaker 2>you know how, like there's just hundreds of people and
<v Speaker 2>they're just all chattering and mumbling, you know, or like
<v Speaker 2>a crowded mall, how everybody's talking and it's just kind
<v Speaker 2>of a silent roar. That's what it sounded like. And
<v Speaker 2>it woke me up out of a sleep, like I heard.
<v Speaker 2>I heard all these voices and woke up. And when
<v Speaker 2>I did, this thing was floating above my face. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it was just in arm's reach and it was just
<v Speaker 2>looking at me. And as soon as I opened my
<v Speaker 2>eyes and it realized that I saw it, it got
<v Speaker 2>a surprise look on its face and it was pulled
<v Speaker 2>out of the room. Like remember the old tube TVs
<v Speaker 2>when you turn them off, the screen goes down to
<v Speaker 2>a pinpoints. That's what it did. It was just instantly
<v Speaker 2>sucked backwards out of the room.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's troubling to know that after you've seen this
<v Speaker 1>christ this craft, you started experiencing strange paranormal activity. It
<v Speaker 1>almost makes me wonder if they're traveling through dimensions through
<v Speaker 1>portals using the crafts. But the end result of that
<v Speaker 1>is it opens up portals and strange activity because they
<v Speaker 1>open up these gateways to travel, but maybe necessarily they
<v Speaker 1>don't close or things come in and out when they
<v Speaker 1>open up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it, it really makes you wonder, Man,
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what was it saying to me? Why was
<v Speaker 2>it talking to me while I was asleep? And why
<v Speaker 2>did it look like a monster like it? It? It
<v Speaker 2>was fierce looking, but it was lofty, like floating, like
<v Speaker 2>a like if you was to see a ghost, how
<v Speaker 2>you would imagine it like a Hollywood ghost. How it's
<v Speaker 2>got a flowing clothes, and but its face was like
<v Speaker 2>a like a China dragon float, you know what I'm
<v Speaker 2>talking about, Like Chinatown, how they when they have the parades,
<v Speaker 2>they're underneath the little floats and they they're like dragons
<v Speaker 2>that have fierce features. Well, that's how this thing's face looked.
<v Speaker 2>It was. It had a wide mouth, and it was
<v Speaker 2>full of razor sharp teeth like needles, and its eyes
<v Speaker 2>was a burning ember, like an orange burning fire in
<v Speaker 2>its eyes like it was glowing eyes. And it had
<v Speaker 2>a slit that run up and down.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it definitely sounds demonic. Did your wife or children
<v Speaker 1>experience any strange activity during this time?
<v Speaker 2>Thank God no, but my wife did. I mean I
<v Speaker 2>started having marks on my body every night, I had
<v Speaker 2>an outer body experience all within a two or three
<v Speaker 2>week period of time. After seeing a UFO. What I
<v Speaker 2>wonder is, man, I don't even like to think about that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I mean, I think about this stuff every day,
<v Speaker 2>Like there's not a day that goes by that I
<v Speaker 2>that I don't think about it and am puzzled by
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. I don't worry about it ever happening again,
<v Speaker 2>because I mean, I had a spiritual experience and I
<v Speaker 2>know that, you know, I'm free from any anything to
<v Speaker 2>do with any of that stuff. But I do believe
<v Speaker 2>that it is possible as a Christian, you know, if
<v Speaker 2>you was to do something as simple as horbor hate
<v Speaker 2>for thoughts or I mean, you probably don't even have
<v Speaker 2>to be a Christian to be afflicted by things like that.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, yeah, I feel like if you're a Christian,
<v Speaker 1>you're more of a target. I mean, even Jesus when
<v Speaker 1>he was in the desert for forty days, he was
<v Speaker 1>confronted by Satan. So a lot of people listen to
<v Speaker 1>these stories and say, oh, that's a demon, you got it,
<v Speaker 1>you got an attachment, or you need to find a priest.
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, it's like even Jesus was
<v Speaker 1>attacked by them, So I think anyone is vulnerable, especially Christians.
<v Speaker 2>Oh she is. I mean, I mean, man, what reason
<v Speaker 2>would I have to come out here, come on the
<v Speaker 2>radio or YouTube? And I mean, it's just miss my life.
<v Speaker 2>I'm an open book, you know. I just I feel
<v Speaker 2>like there's other people that have gone through all kinds
<v Speaker 2>of things and they just don't want to say nothing
<v Speaker 2>about it. But you know, saying something about it and
<v Speaker 2>getting it out there is part of what I believe,
<v Speaker 2>just piecing the puzzle together because all this crazy stuff
<v Speaker 2>that happened to me, I know in my heart that
<v Speaker 2>it was associated with that craft, like they were all
<v Speaker 2>on the same team. All of these things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, makes you wonder, especially since the Native Americans used
<v Speaker 1>to talk about like shape shifters. Yes, I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what to think of that. I don't always thought of
<v Speaker 1>like a demon taking the form of like different entities,
<v Speaker 1>But now I wonder about like cryptid creatures, aliens, UFOs,
<v Speaker 1>fairies orbs, trolls, little people, whatever you want to call it.
<v Speaker 2>Man, I hate to say things like, well I believe
<v Speaker 2>about anything, but really, after the things that I've seen
<v Speaker 2>in my life, I mean, I don't really doubt too
<v Speaker 2>many people's encounters. What reason would they have. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not writing any books or you know, in a way,
<v Speaker 2>it's therapeutic to share things and you know, just to
<v Speaker 2>see what other people think about it. I just it
<v Speaker 2>puzzles me. I think about what, what were those things exactly?
<v Speaker 2>And you know, like were they all hanging out inside
<v Speaker 2>of that triangle and said, yeah, we're going to get him.
<v Speaker 2>He saw it was you know, I thought about that,
<v Speaker 2>and I thought maybe it was just flying over and
<v Speaker 2>it could tell that I was going through some things,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like with my boss at work. Yeah, maybe
<v Speaker 2>it was like a magnet and they said, okay, there's
<v Speaker 2>our next target.
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, absolutely. I think the people that listened
<v Speaker 1>to these experiences don't know what to make of it.
<v Speaker 1>I think the people that experienced this phenomenon and don't
<v Speaker 1>know what to make of it, and we have to
<v Speaker 1>use discernment. And the best thing we can do is,
<v Speaker 1>you know, we logically, or I shouldn't say logically, but
<v Speaker 1>we think, oh, that must be demonic activity or spiritual warfare.
<v Speaker 1>But we're all left without an answer, like, yeah, our
<v Speaker 1>discernment is just saying maybe it's demonic, but we nobody
<v Speaker 1>really knows, and we just kind of have to figure
<v Speaker 1>it out for ourselves and just kind of use wisdom
<v Speaker 1>to I don't know, gauge at the best we can really.
<v Speaker 2>But even on a very basic level, like almost in
<v Speaker 2>a naturalist kind of level, we know what is good
<v Speaker 2>and what is bad. There was not a shadow over
<v Speaker 2>that in my mind that these things were bad, and
<v Speaker 2>I mean they were vile and evil.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I definitely agree with that. Like when
<v Speaker 1>I encounter the Sasquatch, it's like you get this overwhelming
<v Speaker 1>feeling like don't go near them, And you're right. You
<v Speaker 1>can tell when something's not good, like it's not a
<v Speaker 1>good situation.
<v Speaker 2>On a core level, like in your heart, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you you know what's not good, Like I mean, even
<v Speaker 2>when we do things we're not supposed to when we're
<v Speaker 2>kids and teenagers, like you kind of have that unction
<v Speaker 2>within or it's like yeah, you know, I don't need
<v Speaker 2>to be doing that, you know, or stay away. This
<v Speaker 2>just don't sit well with me, you know.
<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, I feel like anything that gives you anxiety
<v Speaker 1>or worry is probably not good. And sure, people jump
<v Speaker 1>into a cage and fight somebody else or jump out
<v Speaker 1>of an airplane, but you know, there's technology, there's doctors,
<v Speaker 1>but you still know you can get your head knocked
<v Speaker 1>off or maybe that parachute isn't going to deploy.
<v Speaker 2>I'm inclined to agree with you. Yeah, I the out
<v Speaker 2>of body experience was something man and I mean I
<v Speaker 2>don't even agree with that, Like I don't believe in
<v Speaker 2>doing it like it's you know, I think it's something
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of forbidden for me at least, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But it was bizarre. I mean it was literally like
<v Speaker 2>being taken out of your body and I was walking
<v Speaker 2>down the hall, I had a guide like there was
<v Speaker 2>something else with me. I knew it. I never saw it.
<v Speaker 2>It was almost like it was implied that it was there.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, like just imagine like a cartoon. Where
<v Speaker 2>have you ever seen a cartoon where there's like a
<v Speaker 2>little kid and a grown up kind of puts their
<v Speaker 2>trench coat over them to keep them out of the rain.
<v Speaker 2>That's what this was. Like. It had its its arm
<v Speaker 2>or a cloak or something over the top of me,
<v Speaker 2>and it went all the way around, almost like a ball.
<v Speaker 2>But they were just on the other side of it.
<v Speaker 2>But I was walking down the hall and we used
<v Speaker 2>to have two little dogs and we would put them
<v Speaker 2>in at a little gate at the front door so
<v Speaker 2>that they wouldn't use the you know, use the bathroom
<v Speaker 2>like on the carpet. It was just a little kind
<v Speaker 2>of just an entrance away. But as soon as I
<v Speaker 2>walked by, I looked over and my dog saw me
<v Speaker 2>and barked at me, like, hey, what are you doing here?
<v Speaker 2>Like I startled her, and it startled me at the
<v Speaker 2>same time, because I wouldn't expecting that, but my dog
<v Speaker 2>saw me in that state of whatever I was in,
<v Speaker 2>and as soon as that happened, I could feel my
<v Speaker 2>wife jerk from that loud bark, and she, I guess
<v Speaker 2>kicked my legs or something. But I went right back
<v Speaker 2>in my body right just then, like I was dropped in.
<v Speaker 2>Like that's puzzled me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And I get people all the time to
<v Speaker 1>tell me, hey, you should do remote viewing or contact
<v Speaker 1>a psychic or like do hypnosis, and it's just like,
<v Speaker 1>no way, like you said, it's forbidden, and I don't
<v Speaker 1>think anyone should do it. I mean, yeah, maybe it
<v Speaker 1>does work, but once you open up that door, it's
<v Speaker 1>really hard to close it. And yeah, I just wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>eat the fruit from that tree yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean the Bible says that. I hate to be
<v Speaker 2>one of them guys. You know, the Bible says, but
<v Speaker 2>and that's just how I try to live, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And Bible says not to consult people that contact spirits,
<v Speaker 2>And I think, well, why would God say that if
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't real, if it w wasn't something to it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like I believe there's really something to that.
<v Speaker 2>It could be possible to contact spirits, but there ain't
<v Speaker 2>no spirits I want to talk to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Saul lost the Holy Spirit when he contacted
<v Speaker 1>a medium because he didn't trust in God and he
<v Speaker 1>trusted in a medium's advice.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah that was Samuel.
<v Speaker 1>Or Samuel, Yeah, Samuel.
<v Speaker 2>Well Samuel. Samuel was the one that come up.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and his life went to crap after that,
<v Speaker 1>he sure did.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, man, I it's just puzzling. I had stuff
<v Speaker 2>jump up on my bed and crawl up my back,
<v Speaker 2>and I mean, when I think back on all this stuff,
<v Speaker 2>it was designed to terrify me, and it worked. I
<v Speaker 2>kind of have halfway believe that. You know, when people
<v Speaker 2>talk about vampires that I don't believe there's like real
<v Speaker 2>bloodsuckers out there. But these things wanted something from me,
<v Speaker 2>like they were trying to terrify me. And I don't
<v Speaker 2>know how it all fits together, but for some reason,
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they feed on that energy that comes out.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It might just be forfeitxed thinking, but
<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm just trying hard to put the pieces
<v Speaker 2>together and I want to find out these.
<v Speaker 1>Things absolutely and there is a reason behind it. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>my final assumption was that a lot of this stuff
<v Speaker 1>is spiritual warfare, and a lot of people experience it
<v Speaker 1>in their life.
<v Speaker 2>Boy, I tell you, you know, my idea of spiritual
<v Speaker 2>warfare before all this happened to me was more like
<v Speaker 2>battling bad thoughts and trying to not do the bad
<v Speaker 2>things and trying your best to do the good things,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the battlefield of the mind. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>there's so much more when the Bible speaks of, you know,
<v Speaker 2>spiritual warfare, like between angels, fallen angels, you know, into heavenlyes.
<v Speaker 2>In the Book of Daniel, you know, the angel appeared
<v Speaker 2>to him and said, yeah, I would have been here sooner.
<v Speaker 2>But the Prince of Persia, which is like a principality,
<v Speaker 2>I guess from my understanding, it's it's almost like there's
<v Speaker 2>different angels in different regions of the world. Who knows.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're all just trying to understand things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, from my understanding right now, there is
<v Speaker 1>a war being waged for your soul, for my soul,
<v Speaker 1>for the person listening to this podcast. There is a
<v Speaker 1>war being waged in another dimension that you can't see.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's so much. I've got so many ideas. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I drive a lot as a chaplain, so I have
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time to think, and a lot of
<v Speaker 2>times I listen to podcasts, and I listen to yours
<v Speaker 2>a lot. My friend, I'll have to say, I'm a
<v Speaker 2>little bit star strip because I am a huge fan
<v Speaker 2>of your show.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I appreciate that, Steve. That means a lot, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure these podcasts really get you wondering about what's
<v Speaker 1>truly going on behind the scenes.
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, it really makes me think. I mean, because
<v Speaker 2>every now and again I'll hear something that somebody says
<v Speaker 2>that really resonates with me. I mean, I've really heard
<v Speaker 2>some pretty amazing stuff through the years, and I just
<v Speaker 2>i'd love to know those answers. Man, it just hurts
<v Speaker 2>my brain to think about.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I mean there's a lot of bigfoot reports,
<v Speaker 1>But I really feel for the people that have encountered
<v Speaker 1>like a dog man or a moth man. It's like
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine what they feel like and what their
<v Speaker 1>thought processes after running into a creature like that.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I had a lady one time. She was a
<v Speaker 2>relative of one of my clients, but she's from was
<v Speaker 2>from Gunnersville, which is like a lake town. It's a
<v Speaker 2>lake city, you know. And I don't even know how
<v Speaker 2>we got on this subject, but I was talking to
<v Speaker 2>her on the phone and she just said, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one time, evidently they have a ranch with a lot
<v Speaker 2>of different animals like horses and cattle and sheep and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and they have a guy that lives on the grounds
<v Speaker 2>and he helps tend to the animals and stuff. And
<v Speaker 2>she said that their driveway is like, you know, a
<v Speaker 2>couple miles of dirt road. So she said she was
<v Speaker 2>driving down the road and on the dirt road to
<v Speaker 2>her house and around the curve she said this thing.
<v Speaker 2>She said, it looked like a giant wolf. And she said,
<v Speaker 2>at the very first I thought, that's my big white horse.
<v Speaker 2>Blaze and she's she instantly refuted that. She said this
<v Speaker 2>thing was massive, like absolutely huge, like double the size
<v Speaker 2>of her horse, which is it's pretty big. She said
<v Speaker 2>it just stood up and looked at her and just
<v Speaker 2>ranced off through the through the woods there, and she
<v Speaker 2>said it just took her breath away, just absolutely terrified her.
<v Speaker 2>And when she got she said she just started slinging
<v Speaker 2>gravel and getting back to the house and said that
<v Speaker 2>the gentleman that lives there, the caretaker, she told him
<v Speaker 2>about it, and he said, I didn't want to tell
<v Speaker 2>you this, but there's been a few times that he
<v Speaker 2>has seen little black ones like you know, maybe anywhere
<v Speaker 2>between three to five foot tall. But they were really
<v Speaker 2>small and skinny, he said. But they were not natural,
<v Speaker 2>like they walked around on two legs like people do,
<v Speaker 2>and said that their eyes were like glowing red. And
<v Speaker 2>this is coming from a lady that teaches a Sunday
<v Speaker 2>school class, and I absolutely believe her, you know, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>why would she, like hey would make something like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, it's scary knowing that even if you
<v Speaker 1>pray and call out the Jesus, you're still vulnerable. Like
<v Speaker 1>of course that protects you, but I don't know, almost
<v Speaker 1>feel like with Judas who was an apostle, like he
<v Speaker 1>still was attacked, or like how we were talking about
<v Speaker 1>Jesus in the desert, like you're still going to be attacked.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And it's all the time thing, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I just I just try to maintain the peace in
<v Speaker 2>my life and try to keep things tranquil and chill.
<v Speaker 2>I try to do good to people. And I tell you,
<v Speaker 2>my motto was this, I treat everybody that I see
<v Speaker 2>every day as best as I can. And that's my
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've tried to live by that my whole life.
<v Speaker 2>Do no wrong, you know, do nobody wrong.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, that's all you can do. And it's
<v Speaker 1>a lot. It's really tough whenever you do that, and
<v Speaker 1>then you still get treated like crap.
<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you know, I'll tell you something. I had
<v Speaker 2>a newfound love for that guy because I did find
<v Speaker 2>out something after I mean, the guy just fired me
<v Speaker 2>out of the blue, like after all this UFO and
<v Speaker 2>you know, all that crazy stuff happened, I got fired
<v Speaker 2>from that job. I just came into work one day
<v Speaker 2>and the guy says, yeah, we don't need you no more,
<v Speaker 2>and just you know, turned me out. I was like, God,
<v Speaker 2>you know, when the struggles real, when it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>you got a kid, you know, you gotta got to
<v Speaker 2>keep on working, you know. But after I had been
<v Speaker 2>fired and got another job, I saw one of my
<v Speaker 2>coworkers at a gas station and she said, yeah, she said,
<v Speaker 2>the guy's name said, he's a very conflicted man. And
<v Speaker 2>she said that he had a son that committed suicide
<v Speaker 2>years ago, and from my understanding, he really rode him hard,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, just talked down to him. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>you got to be careful. How not just what you
<v Speaker 2>say to your children. It's just how you say it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've learned it. You know, you never you
<v Speaker 2>never say anything to a child that will break them
<v Speaker 2>down or make them feel any less than I mean,
<v Speaker 2>as a parent, I was supposed to build I'm supposed
<v Speaker 2>to build my child up. And you know, and I've
<v Speaker 2>never experienced that myself in life. My parents were good
<v Speaker 2>to me. I couldn't imagine what it would be like
<v Speaker 2>to have one that you know, would verbally abuse you.
<v Speaker 2>And but that man and his wife came home and
<v Speaker 2>you know, found the son, and you know, here I was,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a new dad, and man, it just really yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it broke my heart for him, you know, because I
<v Speaker 2>couldn't imagine, you know, as a parent, you just you
<v Speaker 2>just always worry about your kids, you know, to a degree.
<v Speaker 2>But I, man, I couldn't imagine going through that. I
<v Speaker 2>imagine it would it would do some things to you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely So. Do you have any other experiences that
<v Speaker 1>you've had, anything else that you'd like to mention?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you how
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff stopped.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's hear about I was.
<v Speaker 2>Coming home from work one day and when all this
<v Speaker 2>stuff was happening. I mean I was absolutely demolished inside.
<v Speaker 2>I worried so much about, you know, being a new dad.
<v Speaker 2>I worried about if these things started trying to harm
<v Speaker 2>my child or my wife. I mean, I thank god
<v Speaker 2>all the time that they never was, you know, bothered
<v Speaker 2>by any of this stuff, But I worried about it.
<v Speaker 2>When I was coming home one day and I was
<v Speaker 2>just thinking about, well, what am I going to do
<v Speaker 2>if this thing tries to hurt my child? And my
<v Speaker 2>wife was behind me and we never got home at
<v Speaker 2>the same time. We just happened to that day and
<v Speaker 2>when I saw her, I just kind of got emotional,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I just was praying very sincere and
<v Speaker 2>and then it felt like I was like getting struck
<v Speaker 2>by a bolt a lot. And then I can't even
<v Speaker 2>I can't start to even put into words, but I
<v Speaker 2>just started feeling what I thought, you know, what I
<v Speaker 2>would feel, like the presence of the Lord to be
<v Speaker 2>to be like I just felt a peace and a power.
<v Speaker 2>It felt like a like the most powerful thing that
<v Speaker 2>I've ever experienced. There's nothing that I've ever experienced that's
<v Speaker 2>like this. And I just when I got home, I
<v Speaker 2>walked in my house and I started praying over my
<v Speaker 2>house and annoing thing my doorposts, and I just rebuked
<v Speaker 2>everything that was not of God. And I just knew
<v Speaker 2>instantly that everything was over with that I didn't have
<v Speaker 2>to worry about it anymore. And I've not had anything
<v Speaker 2>happen since. And I prayed never never again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm glad you did that. I did that
<v Speaker 1>whenever I was having extreme paranormal activity, and like you said, poof,
<v Speaker 1>it was like gone, Like this weight was lifted off
<v Speaker 1>your shoulders, like these dark clouds just cleared and the
<v Speaker 1>sunlight was beaming through, like everything felt lighter, cleaner.
<v Speaker 2>Everything was okay. I mean, it was just a moment
<v Speaker 2>of it was really amazing. I can't really put it
<v Speaker 2>into words, but I don't know why they but it's
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's just what I needed to sustain me
<v Speaker 2>through such a really weird and terrifying time in my
<v Speaker 2>life that I went through. And I wish I never
<v Speaker 2>saw that craft. Man, But I've grown and I've learned
<v Speaker 2>things in life that I never would have otherwise. I
<v Speaker 2>learned available this and through all of that. But man,
<v Speaker 2>I do I think I still think about all of
<v Speaker 2>that all the time. I just ponder. It's more like
<v Speaker 2>I'm just puzzled by by it and wonder what it was,
<v Speaker 2>what everything was. But I would say that it was
<v Speaker 2>demonic and evil whatever they were, and I knew that
<v Speaker 2>they were all related to that craft.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. Let's say this truly was demonic in nature.
<v Speaker 1>That would mean if the government is reverse engineering these crafts,
<v Speaker 1>that means they're working with the demonic. I can't say
<v Speaker 1>that for sure, but it makes you wonder, especially if
<v Speaker 1>everything's a big secret.
<v Speaker 2>Man. I think it. I think it goes across the
<v Speaker 2>board on levels that we would just be bewildered if
<v Speaker 2>we knew one thing that I've noticed in And I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if anybody else has felt this, but I
<v Speaker 2>remember when twenty four hour news first became a thing.
<v Speaker 2>You know, used to you would have to wait till
<v Speaker 2>like ten thirty to catch the news and the night
<v Speaker 2>time shows. But now it's twenty four seven, three sixty five.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're boboarded by different shows. And but really,
<v Speaker 2>I think that the news has a very strong influence
<v Speaker 2>over people. And if you look on TikTok, man, my
<v Speaker 2>kids are Google for TikTok, but the people that are
<v Speaker 2>big time stars on TikTok, they're called influencers, like they
<v Speaker 2>don't even haide it. But I think that people are
<v Speaker 2>getting tuned into a frequency of chaos, and people are
<v Speaker 2>more angry today than I ever remember them being. People
<v Speaker 2>are divided in ways that I never imagined I would see.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it used to be that if somebody was
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat or a Republican or whatever, at the end
<v Speaker 2>of the day, they could sit down and have a
<v Speaker 2>brew together and tell some jokes and go home in
<v Speaker 2>life is good. But today things are just it's just
<v Speaker 2>very extreme and and I noticed, man, when I when
<v Speaker 2>I turn the news off, I'm more peaceful and happy.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they don't just report the news anymore. They
<v Speaker 2>they want to influence you and tell you how you
<v Speaker 2>should feel about certain things that happen. Mm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everything's fear driven. And I agree with you. Like
<v Speaker 1>when we were kids, you could be like I like
<v Speaker 1>red and the other person be like I like blue,
<v Speaker 1>and at the end of the day, you know they'd
<v Speaker 1>play together. But now it's like, yes, I hate you
<v Speaker 1>because you like red, Well, I hate you because you
<v Speaker 1>like blue. Like, yeah, you stay away from those people,
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's sad. And yeah, it's almost like the
<v Speaker 1>news and the medias are like a cult because with
<v Speaker 1>colts they can manipulate you. They're ran by like narcissists
<v Speaker 1>and psychopaths, and it's crazy that people believe it and
<v Speaker 1>they get sucked into it, and it's just they feel
<v Speaker 1>like there's no way out, Like, oh, man, if I
<v Speaker 1>tell someone, I can't tell anyone, and you know they're
<v Speaker 1>doing wrong. But I guess you've been manipulated so hardcore
<v Speaker 1>that you're afraid to talk. But yeah, with like influencers,
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say what the psychological effect of all
<v Speaker 1>that could be. And they are definitely using fear based
<v Speaker 1>news to to manipulate people, and that's I think that's
<v Speaker 1>a big reason why we're seeing a lot of hate
<v Speaker 1>and anger and you know a lot of people are
<v Speaker 1>it's all driven by fear.
<v Speaker 2>And you know what I think, Like I mentioned earlier,
<v Speaker 2>I have a simple gauge to how to measure things.
<v Speaker 2>Is this good or is this bad? How does this
<v Speaker 2>make me feel? You know, like the animal analyze myself sometimes,
<v Speaker 2>you know, do a little inventory. But when I noticed it,
<v Speaker 2>when I and it goes beyond just the news, like
<v Speaker 2>if I talk about something, it'll be on my phone,
<v Speaker 2>like in thirty minutes, you know. And it's crazy because
<v Speaker 2>sometimes things that I think pop up on my phone.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's just a coincidence, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>we may we may all be taken for a ride.
<v Speaker 2>Mm like that old movie what was it called with
<v Speaker 2>Roddy Piper in it? They live was it? I'm not
<v Speaker 2>sure where he put on the glasses and then he
<v Speaker 2>could see everybody and some of them look like spooky aliens. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>it's a great movie from back in the eighties. Man, Uh,
<v Speaker 2>the same guy who did the Halloween movies when but
<v Speaker 2>I think it's called They Live. It has the whistler
<v Speaker 2>Roddy Piper in it. But you know, I've heard stories
<v Speaker 2>when he was talking about shapes shifters earlier. The lead
<v Speaker 2>singer for the Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, He's been on
<v Speaker 2>a couple of shows in recent times talking about seeing
<v Speaker 2>somebody transformed before his eyes, like right in front of him.
<v Speaker 2>They changed for just a brief second, and he said
<v Speaker 2>what they turned into was not human and then they
<v Speaker 2>turned back. Yeah, I'm thinking this. This guy is a
<v Speaker 2>he's a bona fide rock star, Okay, and he he
<v Speaker 2>goes on a show that has millions of listeners and
<v Speaker 2>tells a story like that. You know, some people are uncancellable.
<v Speaker 2>Probably one of them, you know, But what reason would
<v Speaker 2>he have to share such a thing. I mean, I'm
<v Speaker 2>inclined to believe the guy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, man. I've heard several celebrities say that they've
<v Speaker 1>seen people like shape shift or turn into like a
<v Speaker 1>reptile or things of that nature. And it's these bizarre stories.
<v Speaker 1>But the people from Hollywood, they have experienced it as well,
<v Speaker 1>and they talk about it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, they're
<v Speaker 2>just people that put their pants on one legue at
<v Speaker 2>a time, just like we are, you know. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure they experienced things who knows what they, you know,
<v Speaker 2>come into contact with in their circle of people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And yeah, the story from Genesis at
<v Speaker 1>the Garden of Eden is all too real. And I
<v Speaker 1>think we've all we've all experienced that at one point
<v Speaker 1>in our lives. You know, we're tempted. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>somebody asked, you know, did God really say you can't
<v Speaker 1>eat the fruit from the tree. But I think that's
<v Speaker 1>happened to all of us, whether we're at like at
<v Speaker 1>a party, someone's like, oh, I just have a drink,
<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna hurt you. Or someone's like, here, try
<v Speaker 1>a cigarette, it'll be all right. You know, it's just one.
<v Speaker 1>And then the next thing you know, you're sixty years
<v Speaker 1>old and you haven't quit. And it's wild, you know
<v Speaker 1>how we're all tempted like that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think about a verse in the Bible, and
<v Speaker 2>this is it's such a it's very entertaining. The Bible
<v Speaker 2>says to be not forgetful, to entertain strangers for in
<v Speaker 2>doing so, some have entertained angels unawares. So you know
<v Speaker 2>Abraham and his wife, they had dinner with angels in
<v Speaker 2>their house and they didn't know they were angels later.
<v Speaker 2>So I would think maybe fallen angels could be indistinguishable
<v Speaker 2>from people.
<v Speaker 1>Also, Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 2>So what if they're in cahoops with different powerful people
<v Speaker 2>in the world to create or bioengineer bodies for those
<v Speaker 2>dimon expirits to inhabit. Yeah, I thought about that, and
<v Speaker 2>I know that's very way off the reservation, but you know,
<v Speaker 2>if those demon expirits desire to inhabit a body, you know,
<v Speaker 2>if some people are so inclined, why not try to
<v Speaker 2>provide one for them. Who's to say that's not what
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot or dark Man are. It could be a bioengineered
<v Speaker 2>body that give an experience you use like a vehicle.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've thought about that as well. And I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>Like you said earlier, you know, you try to be
<v Speaker 1>kind to everyone you meet, but it's scary in today's
<v Speaker 1>world because like you could, I don't know, pick up
<v Speaker 1>a hitchhiker thinking, you know, I'm gonna be really kind
<v Speaker 1>and give this person a ride and they kill you
<v Speaker 1>and steal your car, or you let somebody in your house,
<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking you're kind and then they rob you
<v Speaker 1>and hurt you in some way. It's scary because you know,
<v Speaker 1>you don't know who you're entertaining.
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. Yeah, it's the mysteries of life, my friend.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at least you died being a good person.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, I know it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, Steve, I think you did an excellent
<v Speaker 1>job today. And yeah, it does make me wonder like
<v Speaker 1>if this is connected with the cryptid subject. And you
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that after you've seen this black craft, you started
<v Speaker 1>experiencing strange activity, and that's scary to think about, and
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely food for thought. It'll definitely get the gears
<v Speaker 1>turning in my mind and keep me wondering as to
<v Speaker 1>what is possibly going on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's it's puzzling, to say the least.
<v Speaker 2>And what really blows you away is when you experience
<v Speaker 2>something like that, the way that it makes you feel.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's almost like when you go on a
<v Speaker 2>roller coaster, how it takes your stomach, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>it just takes your breath away because in that instance,
<v Speaker 2>it's like your mind's trying to make this fit, like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>what is this? What am I seeing? You know? This
<v Speaker 2>thing looks scary. I mean, you feel a lot of
<v Speaker 2>different emotions at the same time, and it's overwhelming. It
<v Speaker 2>is a different kind of feeling than anything. It's beyond fears, shock,
<v Speaker 2>all fear, just fluw mixed, completely overwhelmed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you. And the things that I've
<v Speaker 1>experienced are things that I wander about every day and
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably going to wonder about them for the rest
<v Speaker 1>of my life.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Is there a show that you've shared your sighting
<v Speaker 2>of the Sasquatch.
<v Speaker 1>I've been on a few podcasts and I've shared some
<v Speaker 1>of my stories on my channel as well.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would like to find those. I've only been
<v Speaker 2>listening for just a like, maybe maybe about a year. Okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you got a lot of there's a lot of content
<v Speaker 2>on your channel.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard to find stuff. So I'll send you
<v Speaker 1>the video that I made of my encounters and there's
<v Speaker 1>some paranormal and strange stories in there that I've shared
<v Speaker 1>as well.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, I would I would love to hear those. Man.
<v Speaker 2>So where are you from?
<v Speaker 1>I'm from Missouri, Central Missouri.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good deal, man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're not too far away from each other.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you ever get down to Alabama, man, hit
<v Speaker 2>me up. I know where all the good eating places are.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Yeah, that sounds good to me and I appreciate that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, you be believes. It was good talking with you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was good talking with you. And you take
<v Speaker 1>care of yourself.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sir, you too.
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll talk to you later, by bye bye.
<v Speaker 1>Steve's experiences certainly raise questions that don't have easy answers,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's something biological, technological, or something we still don't understand.
<v Speaker 1>It's clear there's more happening out there and what we're
<v Speaker 1>being told. I'll let you decide on what you think.
<v Speaker 1>I do personally prefer bigfoot encounters on the Channel, and
<v Speaker 1>I am steering away from the paranormal and UFOs as
<v Speaker 1>of now. I will take Gugway encounters, dog man encounters,
<v Speaker 1>even things like Mothman, but as far as unknown creatures,
<v Speaker 1>it's too hard to research everything. And yeah, I did
<v Speaker 1>the interview because I wanted to be open minded and
<v Speaker 1>kind of hear what he had to say. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>in the future, if you have an encounter to report,
<v Speaker 1>make sure it's bigfoot or dog man, anything of that sorts,
<v Speaker 1>because I feel like I'm more likely to run into
<v Speaker 1>something like that. And I don't discredit Steve. It's just
<v Speaker 1>too hard to determine what something like that is. But
<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate him for being open about what he experienced.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, if you have a bigfoot or dog man
<v Speaker 1>encounter that you would like to share with me, feel
<v Speaker 1>free to reach out sometime at sasquatch Theory outlook dot com.
<v Speaker 1>With all that being said, you guys be safe out
<v Speaker 1>in the forest and keep your head on a swivel