Ken Rosenthal on Bo’s status, Dan Wilson’s flub, Angels new manager + Curt Hogg’s Brewers postmortem

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Speaker 1: Here we go, let's hit the inside scoop.

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Speaker 2: It is presented by Liz We've got to f t senior insider Ken Rosenthal with us.

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Speaker 1: Ken. I'm gonna push forward first and we'll look.

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Speaker 2: Back for a moment, just because I think this is the biggest storyline over the next few days. Bobaschett postgame telling multiple people as he was being interviewed in that wild club scene.

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Speaker 1: He's ready to go. Do you think he's really ready to go? And do we have any idea what that would look like for them?

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Speaker 3: I do believe he's ready to go. He actually told me the same thing the night before. He said, I will make myself available and I said to him, well, will the team deem you available? And he said, I assume that will be the case. So what is ahead here is very interesting because if Bishek comes back, I doubt it will be a shortstop. It's just too much. And at that point, what do you do, Well, he's probably the DH. If he's the DH, George Springer has to go back into the field and you lose. Addison Barger, Lucas and Barjar in particular has been kind of a revelation out there, so I don't know how this is going to play out. The other question I have, and I'm kind of curious what AJ and Todd think, is, here's a guy who has not been a part of it since September sixth, through no fault of his own. He's been hurt, but you've got something special going here, and as important as he is to the team, does it disrupt things a little bit if he comes back, particularly if he struggles initially, which would not be a great shock since he hasn't played in a month and a half.

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Speaker 4: Ken I said this last night on the postgame show, And I don't know what they're gonna do because I don't know where he plays. You can't DHM because Springer's knee, and Springer is not a great outfielder at this point in his life anyways. And their defense in the outfit has been really good with the way they have it set up. And then Jimenez has been awesome at short and I know they're going to say, oh, I'll take ikf out and just move by shift to short. He hasn't played shortstop, you know, in a month and a half. He hasn't hit in a month and a half. He can't move well enough to play shortstop, so do you. And there was an old saying in baseball you don't make two positions less by worse by putting one guy in there, right, And that's what it seems like it would happen. I know Bobashitt is great. I love Boba shit. I think he's one of the great player. But I just don't know how they do this without affecting everyone. I mean, if you want to use him as a pinch hit, fine, but God forbids, something goes wrong and then they got to throw him out there on the field. It's like, oh, man, or do you just say, look, Bo, we're sorry you got hurt. We really do apologize, but we've got to go with what got us here.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, particularly because aj he is a free agent to be and he's not going to be part of their future. It's almost unquestionable that Andres Jimenez will be their shortstop from here on forward. I think that was part of the reason they acquired him in the first place, to protect themselves if Bishett did not sign. And I don't know that they ever expected to sign him, and I don't know that many teams are going to look at Bo the same way as a shortstop. His defensive metrics are not good. He's been one of the worst shortstops in the league according to those ratings. So if this is it for him, and if you feel your team is better set this way going into the World Series, man, I don't know how you put him on. And it's going to be a really interesting question. He's Bobashet, as you said, great hitter, a huge part of what they have done in all of these years, him and Vladdy, Vladdie and him. But it's just a tricky spot that they're in with him right now.

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Speaker 5: So my opinion, I feel like this guy is needed for this team, excuse me, in the World Series. I think this Dodger team is that good. I think they need all the best bets they need. I think it's a guy that could come in. Do I think he has what it takes to be ready right away? I think they're gonna have to take a chance. I just want your humble opinion about this kind of player. Do you think he's needed in the World Series for them to win a championship or do you think they could do it do.

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Speaker 3: Without Todd That's a great point, and that really is the other side of this, that you're facing a team that is going to be favored to beat you. You are facing some of the best starting pitching we've seen in the post seasons since I don't know, maybe AJ's two thousand and five White Sox team. Honestly so, given that and given who he is as a hitter, that's the case for putting him on taking your best shot as a team. It's just that all these other things that we just talked about, they're factors too, and they complicated, so I don't know what they're going to do. I don't know what the right solution is for them. It's, as I said, very tricky and a good problem to have in a way, but it's also something that is really delicate.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk a little bit about the bottom of the lineup for Toronto. I felt like coming into the playoffs that was kind of like hit or miss really of what they're really about. I thought, if the bottom of the lineup could come through, good things will happen. What a big inning they had yesterday, big walk and then ikf with the single to kind of kickstart everything. Talk a little bit about what you saw there and how that's gonna bode well for them going into the World Series.

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Speaker 3: That was a huge difference in this series. The Blue Jays bottom of the lineup was so much better than the Astros bottom of the lineup. It was not even close. And we saw Jimenez hit two big two home, two run homers in this series. He dropped the bunt last night and it was a huge key for them and Jimenez the guy who has not been a good offensive player for a while now, and he had some injuries this year that kind of prevented him from maybe taking the step forward that he wanted to, but he emerged in this series again as something of a threat. Their bottom of the order has been, no question, a huge pack factor for them. Barger coming on later in this series, all of these things that have happened, IKF. With the big hit last night, they are one to nine pretty good. They are one to nine certainly a team that puts the ball in play better than What's interesting to me about the World Series coming up is this the Brewers same kind of offense, really chaotic, put pressure on the other team, etc. Doesn't strike out much as an offense and yet the Dodgers just absolutely smothered them. Can they do to the same thing to the Blue Jays? I don't know, And it's interesting that they're going to start this series here in Toronto where I am still and go from there and just kind of have that home field advantage. I don't know that the Blue Jays can beat the Dodgers. Can they give them a series that I think is possible? But a lot's going to have to go right too.

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Speaker 4: Ken, I got to ask because I had before we get to the Mariner's side of this, which you know to the victory goes the spoils. Do you have your may because Scott had his maya culpa for the Mariners ready if they would have made it, because he brants on him all the time. So we know your history with the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays played an incredible series. They deserve a ton of credit. So do you have I'm sorry, Blue Jays fans ready for us, because Scott was ready with his I'm sorry Mariners fanstead he got to pile on again.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to jump in after whatever Ken says, but go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Most of all, aj if you ever read me, which you don't, you would know I've already written this, and you would also know in fairness to me for a change, Oh for me, they've written about the Blue Jays last year, the year before, they were not a team that played to its potential. The things I've written about their front office were things a lot of their fans were saying too. But hey, certainly they deserve all the credit for this season, and it's been one of those seasons executives like to talk like this, where they got ninety nine percentile outcomes in almost every area, not every area, because even some of their additions didn't really work out that well. Schuzer was hurt all the time, him Menez was heard all the time, sometime Dare was hurt all the time. But they fortified at the deadline, and they just had this kind of magical run. A manager who evolved from the guy who took out Jose Barrias a couple of years ago and seem to have a great grasp of this team. They've got great veteran leadership in that room, they have younger players contributing. It's kind of a perfect mix. A team you really like to see play, like to watch, and all the credit to them. Absolutely, they deserve it. And I wrote that at the start of the postseason, AJ, You're late.

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Speaker 4: Wait was that that was a weird way to apologize? Ken?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: That wasn't really And I'm sorry apologizing.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing to apologize for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, bring me in, Bring me in because I want to. I want to add to this Ken because I think it's important, not just for Age because he jokes about it, but for fans. If you want us to talk about our opinions right and commentate on the sport and not just be robots, then you can't hold what we say a year two years ago to a different team. You didn't say the Jays are paper Tigers forever. They will always be paper tigers. You talked about a specific team that was not good. This year's team is good, and it's not like you've been smashing them all this year, which some people have done.

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Speaker 1: Some people will.

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Speaker 4: Say, oh, this Jay Smiler was getting fired in like April, remember, and now here he is going to the World Series. Was their front office?

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Speaker 3: Hey, there are a lot of people who thought this was going to be the end of the run for this group, and then they signed Laddie and that actually, as I wrote, I believe yesterday made a big difference. It kind of freed up the team. As John Schneider said at one point on Jason Stark's podcast, it ended any possibility of Ladd leaving as a free agent. Assure the players at the team and management was intending on winning and winning not just short term but long term. And it kind of changed the whole dynamic of the club. That was a big thing for them. And now when you look at Ladd Junior playing the way he's playing of course ALC MVP, you see maybe why he was worth the money. And that's what I wrote about yesterday as well. Aj, you can go back and read that one too.

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Speaker 4: What's reading? What's reading? Ken?

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Speaker 7: What's y?

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Speaker 1: He does too much talking to read?

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Speaker 2: But Ken, let me continue on because this plays into the Mariner's portion, and I have a question for you about them. But what AJ was referring to is how I loved, like many others, the Mariners pitching staff for the past few years and felt like this was the first time that they actually supported the other side. Shocker, the offense was significantly batter blah blah blah, and here they get to this point. I was pissed the prior two years that I felt like they had this and they were not supporting the lineup side. That seemed to play out exactly that way, and if anything, the starting staff had some more injuries this year in an effectiveness we saw it in this series two. So my question for you, though, is what happened with Dan Wilson. You spoke to him after the game. He kept using that pivot term to you and to everyone else, and I get it, but I don't get it because it's October twentieth, not June twentieth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't like the call either to go to Bizardo and not Muno's there. I don't really know that there's a good explanation for it. You've got to stop the game right there, and then you worry about the ninth inning later or the eighth inning, and the ninth inning. At that point, they hadn't used Munos much at all in this series and you end up losing the series essentially without him, So he's gonna get criticized for that. He should get criticized for that. I didn't agree with it, and I didn't really even buy his explanation. Usually when managers explain their moves, I say, Okay, I at least see where he's coming from. It's a little tougher with this one. Dan Wilson a heck of a nice guy, and you hate to see any manager, any team in the pain that that team was in after the game. It was rough to see cal Riley was in tears. Cal Riley was in tears.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 3: Given the forty nine years and everything surrounding them, it just was so just appointing for them and any fan out there. Obviously some fans probably hate the Mariners, but any fan out there can't sympathize with what that team was going through in that moment doesn't have a heart. Now, I will tell you this what I was going to write if they won the game, depending on circumstances, but this was the way I was leaning. Was kind of going back to cal Rawley's comments two years ago at the end of the season when they were eliminated by Texas. And remember what he said then. He basically called out management for not showing enough commitment. And that same offseason was the off season in which President of Baseball Operations Jerry Depoto said, Hey, you win fifty four percent of your games over a ten year period, you're going to get your shot once in a while. Fans should be thankful that we're being patient like this. And of course it didn't come off well.

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Speaker 1: I knew what he.

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Speaker 3: Meant, and actually what he meant kind of came to fruition here. They won I don't know, fifty five to fifty six percent of their games this year and almost made it to the World Series.

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Speaker 4: But this team has come a long way.

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Speaker 3: Their moves at the deadline for Naylor and Suarez were moves that they might not have made before. So they had a great season. They won their first division titles in two thousand and one. They beat the Tigers in that epic Division series. They extended this series to seven games. They had a to nothing lead. We all know that they had an opportunity last.

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Speaker 1: Night with a lead. We all know that.

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Speaker 3: But if I'm a Mariners fan, of course I'm crushed at the same time as a fan, my opinion is all you can ever ask for is a competitive season in which your team's kind of in it all the way they got that. Now, of course they want more. We all understand that, and eventually you would expect they're gonna get more. They're gonna get that World Series finally. But this was a tough way to lose, no question.

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Speaker 4: Hey, the cub said that for one hundred and some years, ken, so they can you know they're gonna get that World Series eventually. I mean, they're only forty seven in. They got what how many every years they're in, They only got like fifty something more to go to get to the Cubs. So go Cubbies. But no, the thing is is they want you know, Jerry Depoto had the famous quote fifty four percent, and cal Rawley came out and said, oh, I didn't really mean what I said. It was taken out of context, but he was exactly right with what he said. They finally did it. Will we see more? What I want to know for the Mariner fans out there, will we see more of this from their ownership or are they gonna say, oh, we almost won. It didn't work We're gonna have to cut payroll because Naylor's a free agent. Suarez is a free agent. Right, some of these pitchers are starting to get to where there are eligible and they're gonna have to get paid a lot more money. Yes, they signed cal Rawly, Yes they signed Julio, But what are they gonna do? Are they gonna stick with this trend or are they gonna go back to the old Mariners like, oh, well, we'll just try to you know, win games and hopefully we get lucky.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that question. And actually, Aj, it's the right question to ask right now. Where is ownership? Are they gonna keep pushing or are they just gonna be what they've been for many many years now, which is kind of set me all the way in, but not totally all the way in. So that's a question that we'll see resolved in the offseason. And to go back to Rally, to Raley's comments from two years ago. One thing he said afterward he did apologize for making the comments, basically because he was afraid that he had offended his teammates. He didn't want to come off as criticizing his teammates, and he wasn't criticizing his teammates.

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Speaker 1: He was saying, we.

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Speaker 3: Need better players, but not at the expense of his teammates. What he was saying was, hey, we've got to go out and get some people, and that they eventually did. At the time, he did not apologize for wanting to win. And AJ, I know you don't read me, but I had an interview with Raleigh on the pregame show, I believe it was before Game six, and I asked him about those comments, and he said it came from a place of frustration. And he also said that they've said or they've done what they said they were going to do. They improved the team, They've gone out and gotten players, and he had no problem with the front office. In fact, he signed a six year, one hundred and five million dollar extension. So you're right, they are now at an interesting crossroads because what they should do is double down and keep going. They've got to improve their team a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But will they do that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that last question.

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Speaker 5: We just saw signing a manager, signing Kurtsuzuki with the Angels. Congrats to him, what a great guy. Do you know a little bit about him, talk about him. What do you think this signing means for the Angels and how do you see this, you know, turning out for the Angels.

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Speaker 3: Well, Kurt Tazuki is one of the great people in the game, and he's a guy with a very upbeat personality. He played for World Championship team in Washington in twenty nineteen, and I have no doubt he can succeed as a manager. I do have doubt that any manager can succeed in Anaheim. And I don't know what happened with Pools, whether it was money, whether he had just reservation, I don't know. But for Kurt Suzuki, for Peramanazi in their GM, the challenge is working for an owner who is committed in his own way, not committed like you would want to see him committed to winning. So I don't know. I wish Kurt the best. I've known Kurt forever and he's a great guy. As I said, will he be a great manager? You never know when you hire someone essentially who has never done it before. But he was a former catcher. We all know how smart former catchers are because on this program they kind of run the show. But at the same time. Do I count on this being a success. I can't count on this being a success.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: There's such an obstacle there that will continue to be an obstacle.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see how he handles it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm excited to also at some point see what happened with pool Holsen with Artie.

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Speaker 4: Before Ken goes. I know he's got to go, But Ken, would you have had Munnosen in the seventh or were you happy with the Bazaar had?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you got to stop the game right there, and again there's the leadoff walk. You can get somebody up right then. Then you got two more hitters before uh Springer spot came up. Yeah, I would have had him up in that game. You still have Brash, you still have Bizardo. After that, you could have managed the rest of the game quite well.

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Speaker 1: That was the game.

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Speaker 4: That was the game.

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Speaker 3: One other thing the night before, and I got a text from a manager right after the game about this Bizarto pitch two winnings. Now, it was only fifteen pitches, but he threw two winnings, and I believe that was his ninth appearance of the postseason or last night was nine, I'm not quite sure which it was one of the other. He appeared in almost every game. He was kind of there, Louis Varland. At some point, you gotta go to your best guy, and they didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Frash pitch two innings in seven games, Kenan, Yes, right, it's too good waste, good waste on the bench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where that's just that's where Mariners fans are at right now. It's like great season whatever, but it's not like they lost that game cleanly. There's a move that many would make that I think is really causing a lot of pain right now in Seattle. So we wanted to make sure we hammered it and then we can move on. Ken good stuff and we will talk to you obviously later in the week about the World Series matchup coming up.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good, guys. Thanks.

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Speaker 4: You see Ken, you see all kinds of good stuff. You see. If we watch NFL on there, if you're into that, you can watch Big noon, you can watch college football. But Friday night and Saturday night you watch the world serious.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and hey, sometimes in today's world it can be difficult to find games. But we are telling you right now that if you go to foxone dot com you can start a seven day free trial and yes, on Sundays, you get Brady, you got football. So stream all your Fox favorites together in one place. Milwaukee Journal sentinelbeit reporter for the Brewers, Kurt Hogue is back on FT. We haven't put the season to bed for Milwaukee. Obviously, it went to bed this past weekend, and then we were busy yesterday getting ready for Game seven. But now we're going to say night night to Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Kurt.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, and tell me your evaluation of the twenty twenty five campaign for the Brewers and try to look at it from a more global perspective of how this team has been good consistently but not doing enough damage in the postseason Or am I wrong?

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Speaker 7: No, You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 8: I think this year was a bit different than the past four or five success years where they get bounced early because they did win a playoff series, and not only did they win a playoff series, they beat their biggest rivals in the division, the Cubs, Craig Council, all all that jazz, you can say, whateveryone about the celebration after in the l Flag and then getting absolutely bludgeoned by the Dodgers, and they're pitching obviously that I don't know if there's ever been a better pitch series than we saw from those four guys. The Brewers went six to zero against them in the regular season and absolutely outclassed in the in the postseason. So kind of difficult to square those two things together. But ultimately, look, they won ninety seven wins, Murph would say just about every day until we all grew tired of it. No one really expected a ton from them, Not even those who've been around the team like myself, saw ninety seven wins and an NLCS appearance coming. So look, it was a successful season that ended, unfortunately for them, in the same way that it always ends without a World Series ring.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you. I was gonna ask something else, but I heard you say something that they were out class. Can you further explain to me of what your reasoning for that is and how you came up with something like that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you saw the pitching, right, the fact that the Dodgers and their big money arms came at you time and time again. And it wasn't just the fact that they out talented.

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Speaker 7: The Brewers in that series.

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Speaker 8: It felt like there was a lot going on in terms of the Dodgers pitching against the Brewers hitting that just didn't line up well for the Brewers. And Blake Snell comes out in Game one and locates better than we ever see him locate, and he's going heavy change ups, and the Brewers could never just Yamamoto. They were chasing everything, chasing splits. You know, it looked everything looked like fastball coming out of the hand against him, and a team that doesn't chase swung at everything. So it was sort of that that stood up from that series the Dodgers. The Bruce pitching did great, held them to fifteen runs outside of show obviously hitting three homers in the final. They pitched pretty dang well, but they just they couldn't get anything going on offense.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned this was what you say a good year for the Brewers. But a good year okay, they want to They won a five game series, congratulations, but they didn't make it the World Series. Again, they didn't. They got they got William, They got whacked by the Dodgers like you mentioned, right, So why do you say it's just because they won the one playoff series against the cub A team that they had. You know, it's kind of their rival. So does that make the fans happy in Milwaukee or did they still want more in Milwaukee because I did a bunch of games in Milwaukee, and man, do they they want more? Right? They want Mark Ontinasio to spend that and take the next step. And here we are talking about Freddy perrault to maybe being traded, William Catreres maybe traded. Are they gonna pick up options? You know, like will they take the next step to really you know, and they cutting the payroll, yet they keep winning. At some point those two don't work together. So when will the ownership, much like we just talked about with the Maritors, take the next step and say, hey, when we fill this place every game we are packed, every game, we may sell a ton of merchandise. We're gonna throw more money at this team and really try to take the next step.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Milwaukee's a place that there deserves a winner. It's a great baseball city. You know that. You know, all you guys that have been here, you know that they sold i think twenty something games out in the second half. The playoff atmospheres were incredible. It was I mean, yeah, as it was a good year because they won ninety seven games, and we all, i mean, like we've all been around baseball for a long time. We know that the playoffs can be fickled and you shouldn't probably just use a postseason performance as a terminent entire season, and this year was a step forward for the Brewers. But no, no, you're absolutely right. You're kind of looking at them against the Dodgers and this series and you're like, well, that's that's your competition. You can kind of squeeze as much out of the two toothpaste in the regular season. And Matt Arnold his crew have done that time and time again. Pat Murphy as a manager that he's done that in both his seasons as well, and it's like, okay, well, this is like best case, you win ninety seven games, you get the one seed, the best record in baseball, and then you get to the playoffs and it's like, oh man, the talent level was disparity was really on display. No, the Bruis played four bad games. The Dodgers played four great games. That can happen at any point. Like I said, the Bruis did beat them six times this season, but when the chips were on the table and push came to shove, they just didn't have the guys to compete with the Dodgers. And you know, maybe that's not the biggest knock in the world because it's the Dodgers. They have all the guys. But the Brewers do need to do something to up the top tier of their team and be in a situation where they can compete in that NLCS if they have to face the Dodgers again.

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Speaker 4: All right, Curl, I'm gonna running suit through some of the decisions they have coming up. Shelby Miller, Jordan Montgomery, their free agents. They're probably gone, right, we'll go. We'll start with the options. William Coturs, that's an easy pickup for me. Twelve million, that's an easy pickup, it seems like to me. Reyese Hoskins seems like an easy He's out the door. He didn't even play at the end. He wasn't happy, right, Danny Jansen twelve million. They're not picking that one up for a five hundred thousand dollars buyout. Sorry, Freddy Peralta. They're already talking about trading him because they're gonna pick up his option eight million dollars. The steal of the year, Jose Cantana, they're not picking him up. I don't think it's fifteen million. And then Brandon Woodruff is the one that's interesting to me. Twenty million for the option ten million dollar buyout. I would think he would be a guy they would think about bringing back your thoughts.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the Brewers would be interested in that because that's basically a ten million dollar deal for the next year. But if you're Woody, I think you're getting more than ten million on the market somewhere else. Now, he pitched what eighteen nineteen games this year, somewhere in that range, may fifteen games, and there is the history of the shoulder. But in speaking with him, he feels like he's at a full go next year, and we're talking like workload, velocity stuff, all that stuff being back, and so he probably will make more than ten miles in the open market. And so this is like, look, this is why mutual options almost never get picked up, and then the Bruce case never get picked up.

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Speaker 7: So I could still see Woody being.

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Speaker 8: Back in Milwaukee if the two sides can work something out, but they're gonna have to compete with some other clubs on the open market because if he's at a full go, Like, think about it, he was a three to two era this year and he was throwing mid low nineties, mid nineties when he was at his best, but mostly low nineties, and like really pitching. Now, imagine if his fastballs are back to to what we're used to seeing. That's a guy that should generate some good interest this winter.

00:28:47
Speaker 4: Hey, Kurt, how many more tricks does Pat Murphy have up his sleep? He did the old average Joe's thing this year, you know, he did the Woe is us We're the little you know, the little engine that could trick for the for the whole year this year, and they had the best striking in baseball. What other tricks does Pat Murphy have up his sleep?

00:29:04
Speaker 7: I don't know, but there's more.

00:29:06
Speaker 8: I guarantee you there's more you said in the production meetings with him, There are more, Like I wouldn't be surprised if we show up to spring training and they're playing the underdog card again. I mean they it maybe even be justified, Like the Cubs will probably pick to win the division next year, and that's understandable. And if they are, or Pakoda has the Brewers that like eighty four wins again, guess who's gonna play that up. It's gonna be Murph. That's what he does. And they're gonna like they're just gonna go all in on the same things again.

00:29:38
Speaker 2: Hey, Kurt, I'll double down on the Freddy Peralta story. I mean, that's gonna dominate the headlines. We know this happens almost every off season now for the Brewers. Last year it was Devin Williams. The year before that, it was Corbyn Burns. It's Freddy Parolta talk time. Is there any chance that they keep him? I mean, he's a top five National league pitcher, he's cheap as hell, and he's about to be a free agent. Isn't that a lock for the Brewers to deal him away? And you look at superstars that they've picked up for these past trades, but valuable parts of the team, and they truly believe that this is how they keep the train running and not going through rebuild.

00:30:17
Speaker 1: Right.

00:30:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wouldn't categorize it as a lock that he gets traded, But everything that I've picked up and gathered from people that are you know, inside the industry and have some idea of what the Brewers might be thinking is that they expect him to be traded. And look, we've seen the Brewers do this for it.

00:30:35
Speaker 7: Just like you mentioned.

00:30:36
Speaker 8: Scott, the one guy that they didn't trade, if you remember, is Willi Adamis and Freddy does share a few similarities with Willy in terms of the importance to the clubhouse and like what he means to the franchise, But there's a difference between the two of them in their final year of team controls that Willy was coming off and down. Hear Freddy's gonna finish in the top five of cy Young voting for this this this season and his contract. Everyone in the league can take that on. So it's not a sure thing the Brewers trade him. You're gonna have to meet the price for sure. But all signs. You know everything we know about how the Brewers like to keep churning and don't want to avoid it.

00:31:21
Speaker 7: They don't you know, they.

00:31:22
Speaker 8: Don't want to have any potholes where they just really stink for a couple of years. Like they want to keep the talent pool full and get that young control talent. Odds are Freddy Peralta could be moved this offseason.

00:31:37
Speaker 5: Definitely, definitely to the guys in absolute God. Now along those lines, guys getting moved, guys not getting picked up. Can you talk a little bit about the minor leagues? There is there anybody that you could see coming up from Double A, Triple A that's going to make a mark on this team and help them get that next step forward in the playoffs.

00:31:55
Speaker 8: I think it's interesting if you look at the Brewers window, they have a really really good farm, So hazous Ma Day obviously one of the top four or five prospects probably in baseball.

00:32:04
Speaker 7: Cooper Pratt's up there. Guys like that.

00:32:06
Speaker 8: They have a really good system and they keep drafting and developing well. But it's a little bit down the road now that like guys like miss and Logan Henderson and Robert Gasser have come up and they'll be in the rotation next year. Like that's sort of the young talent pool that they'll be relying on a lot next year. And then maybe it's a couple of years down the road when my day's up and Pratt's here and Jefferson Caro's a starting catcher after Contraras leaves, like there, their window is extended. There's not necessarily any guys like right on the on the precipice of the big leagues next year, although maybe you could argue that what we saw from miss and the Posts in the postseason, he's on the precipice of being like a really, really good big league pitcher. There's still a lot for him to figure out, but those kind of performances make you feel pretty good if you're the Brewers about him as like a number two, number three starter next year.

00:32:58
Speaker 4: Now it's gonna be my question, what do they do with him next year? Because going into listen be going into the postseason, you know this curt they didn't really hide it. They didn't even know what he was going to be in the postseason. They didn't know if he's gonna be on the roster. They didn't know if he was going to be a starter or reliever. They didn't know if they could trust him. And then he went out and had some huge performances for him. So does that automatically earn him back the trust of Murph and and the coaching staff in the front offense and say, okay, we can plug this guy into the rotation because he did make the All Star team as a starter this year. I mean, as controversial as it.

00:33:26
Speaker 8: Was, Yeah, he's going to be a starter. I think he's a lock for the opening day of rotation. The Brewers are, you know, they're one of those teams that they trust the stuff, and in the postseason that's what they did. They trusted the stuff. No one had any idea. I think Anyon would be lying to you if they told you they knew that this was going to go that well for miz. But you learn a lot about the kid walking into Dodger Stadium and commanding the ball like he did in commanding the moment in that Game three.

00:33:56
Speaker 7: He was incredible.

00:33:57
Speaker 8: He was lights out until he kind of ran out of gas a little bit there at the end. So look, if you're trading Freddy, you're doing so because you have a lot of confidence that this guy, even though it was a very rocky regular season, that he showed you things that Brandon Woodriff and Corban Byrn showed you in twenty eighteen. It's like it's that method, that model sort of all over again, of like, oh, yeah, no, this guy, this guy's a dude. He can be at the front of our rotation.

00:34:24
Speaker 2: Joke in coming, but what about Ashby starting every game next year?

00:34:30
Speaker 7: Hey, he might be a starter. He could be a starter.

00:34:33
Speaker 4: They already tried that, I thought. Then they signed him and then they made him relieve Remember he was a starter at one point, but he couldn't throw enough strikes. That's why they stuck him in. They did sign him to that deal, and then they're like, oh, wait, maybe we.

00:34:44
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have done this. He's got a long term deal, right.

00:34:47
Speaker 7: No, he does.

00:34:48
Speaker 8: Yeah, And there's also the shoulder injury. The shoulder surgery kind of derailed that a little bit. So I could see him wanting to start, right, wouldn't you, As you got a couple of years left before he's going to be a free agent again in a few years, that would raise your value. And look, the dude's got what like a nasty four or five pitch mix. And he's proven he can start every day in the playoffs.

00:35:10
Speaker 7: What more do you want?

00:35:12
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, next to you talk about it. If they've traded Freddy, which everyone kind of thinks is gonna happen, they go Priester Gasser, miss Patrick, Patrick and who Henderson. Yeah, but they better find some depth somewhere. Yeah.

00:35:28
Speaker 2: Remember when they had too many starters and they It's just crazy how a season goes where. I mean we looked at them, We're like, damn, the Brewers actually have a surplus.

00:35:38
Speaker 8: And then and then they had gotten they had had one point five starters in the playoffs.

00:35:46
Speaker 4: It was the point five Ashby pre sir, Oh yeah, but he didn't even start. They started Ashby exactly.

00:35:53
Speaker 7: Yeah, he could get you like two times.

00:35:54
Speaker 4: Today at once and Ashby and who was the other one?

00:35:58
Speaker 7: McGill start. McGill opened the game.

00:36:01
Speaker 8: Quintana pitched Game four against the Dodgers, didn't go well. So I'm going one point five starters and then some openers.

00:36:08
Speaker 2: Chad Patrick had a pretty good season, but didn't have enough confidence in him being a guy that could begetting and then he gave.

00:36:14
Speaker 4: Up the ball out of the stadium to show him they realized they might have been right.

00:36:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had good and bad.

00:36:20
Speaker 4: Actually, him and priests are actually really good for him.

00:36:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, they both had what one like, really bad inning and then the rest were pretty much good from what I remember. Yeah, it's getting to be a blur. But all right, well, Kirk, you know, Kurt, we'll talk again, obviously. And great coverage of the postseason. Thanks for joining us. Man, I'm thinking about the condre, Kurt, Kurt, thanks man, All right, thanks guys,