Sex and the City (The Movie) with Megan Gailey

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Speaker 1: On the dog Cast, the questions asked me to happen and oh my questions just by friends and helping do they have individualism? The Patreon changing Welcome to the Becktel Cast. Thank you so much for being here, psyched to have Yeah, yeah we If you're not familiar, well, first of all, by around to applause. Who has listened to our show before? Wow? Some enthusiastic applause and uh clap a hesitant who in the night If you have not heard it, it's okay, okay by a friend, very drag and dragged love it. Welcome, thanks for coming right, Thank you so for you. We will explain what our show is. We take a different movie every episode we examine it through the lens of how does it treat women? And unfortunately, nearly every movie fux it up and as we'll talk about tonight, sometimes even movies made for women incredible. So yeah, we use the Bechdel test as a jumping out point for discussion. If you don't know that is it is a media metric invented by cartoonist Alison Bechdel in which two female identifying characters must talk to each other about something other than a man for at least two lines of dialogue. Should we try it out? Try it out? Okay? Um, hey Jamie, what's up Caitlin? Uh um, Oh, it shouldn't be this hard. It shouldn't be this hard. I agree on trying to think of something relevant to the movie we're discussing tonight. Unfortunately, there are no memorable quotes or anything good about it. You do remember the part where she says, I like shoe that's my favorite. Okay, do you like shoes? Jamie helpe me either. I should, but I you know, I just wear the same pair until they smell. And that passed with the back tol test Man. I'm I am genuinely very excited. We're talking about Sex in the City, the movie, which is critical because there is there's so much universe to explore. We're talking about the movie. Oh eight year of My First Kiss, Big year for me. That was the year I graduated college year for me. But who would you want? Are difficult to say, which was a larger accomplishment because I really hung in there and waited. I'm so excited for for our guests to come out because I just feel like it's going to be a lively ass discussion. Indeed, let's bring her out. She's a comedian. She is the co host of Crooked Media's Hysteria, and she has a Comedy Central half hour Give it Up from Meg. I did try. I know that this is like a visual I'm about to riff visually and people listening won't be able to hear it but or see it. But I did dress in a way that I thought the ladies would appreciate. I agree. I think that the whole ensemble would be very carry I know my gene jackets from Madewell, and that's like pretty embarrassing. That's what like what Miranda would buy. But I'll take it off so then I feel better and I feel more like a Charlotte. Now, yeah, I see it. Wait does do you do you how do you identify sex in the city? Was I identify as a Charlotte in the streets and a Samantha and the sheets? Okay, and everyone hears like, we don't really even know what that means. To uh, it means I like to dress preppy and funk a lot. Congratulations. Think, well, now I'm getting married, so I can only funk one person, but you'll still funk a lot Yeah, honestly, I don't feel like, now that it's down to one person, my fucking has dipped an Jamie. How do you identify I was? I was struggling. I don't do you have an opinion either way about you or about myself? About me? I was, I don't know. I was struggling. I was like, I don't know. I just look at this movie and I'm like, Chris, No, why why I cast Chris know when you could cast Alfred Molina. That's all I see. Yeah, when I see this movie, Yeah, I don't think you fit the mold totally of anyone, and I hope you take that like the other one I person of their barrist does. That's why I'm one. A lot of people feel that way though. Yeah, I feel like I would serve them food and talk about them when they leave. Yeah, that's what I think. I identify. I think most as Raphael from Teenage Mutina Turtles. That's how I that's my Sex and the City character, because there's the same if you think about it. Megan, thanks for being here, first of all, having me. What is your history your relationship with this movie? And I'm kind of just the franchise of the extended universe, you know. Sex and the City started when I was probably in middle school, so it was a little bit before what maybe I should have been watching maturity wise, but I did start watching it, and I can remember my mom letting me have people over, girls over to watch the finale my senior year of high school, and I cried, and I mean I I grew up in the Midwest, and so sort of seeing this truly fictional depiction of New York City was really exciting and glamorous to me. And then when the movie came out, I got to ago to what was like a private screening in Indianapolis, the Indianapolis premiere two pm on a Sunday, not even the day the movie premiere, like one of the radio stations like gave out tickets or something, and my friend was an intern there and so we got to go. And watching it in the theater with a group of Midwestern white women was truly insane, I mean, hooting and hollering and laughing, and even at the time, I remember being like, that wasn't a joke. Just everyone was having so many reactions and it was a really like great way to see It's the same way I saw a Girl Strip too. I was like so high and so drunk when I saw Girls Trip and people are like that movie is bad, and I'm like, I haven't revisited it, but when I saw it, loved it. Uh So I think part of like the experience when I saw it the first time was so great. But now you know it's on TV. It's on E all the time, um, so you can pop in and out. I almost was like, oh, I need to rewatch it for this, and I was like, I know, I know it. You know, I don't need to be doing my homework. I wrote the homework, so I feel I feel well versed in it and it definitely got me through, um some some tough times. WHOA Jamie, how about you? I don't have much of I think I've seen. I definitely wasn't allowed to watch it when it first came on, and then I just we didn't have HBO because we were quite poor, so we did HBO was not a thinking in my home. Also, we didn't talk about or look at nipples, so HBO was also ideologically not a thing in my home. I I've seen probably like between ten and fifteen episodes of the show over the years. But my mom weirdly, but there's so much happening. My mom got really into sex in the city, like when I was a senior in high school, which was too late, and I remember she came up to me, like my senior year of high school and she was like, Jamie, do you wax Like she she was not like super familiar with the concept or like, and she was like, are you doing it behind my back? And I was like no, We're a full Bush family. And I was like, I don't have HBO or we're a full Bush family. And she was like, oh, thank god. And then two years later she's like, I did it. I hated it, and it was so that's really my entire experience. I've never seen this movie. Okay, Yeah, what's yours? I would watch this show periodically on TBS because a friend of mine when I was a freshman in college loved it and would play it and I would be in her room and had no choice but to consume it. Um. Yes. Then I saw the movie because my us friend j T played it all the time in the apartment we lived in together. A fan, he's a big fan. Okay, I will not hesitate to say that I hate sex in the city. I hate it so much, but I am so excited to talk about I still the way about sex in the city, the way I feel about sex and cities, which is basically neutral. Okay, could take them good, leave them. Sure, I do have to say, I want to clarify I'm not one of those people who's like, this is my identity people during this time that we're like, listen, I only drink Cosmos, and I like, I've never owned a poster. I would not refer to myself out in the general public as a Samantha slash Charlotte, But when asked point blank, I have answers and anecdotes for every single thing. Perfect. I like that the full spectrum is represented, indeed, full spectrum of Caucasian woman attitid. I like how this movie The Sex and the Sities idea of diversity is a redheaded woman, a brown haired woman, a blond woman, and a dirty blond woman and a black assistant. And yeah, Jennifer Hudson in a role that could be removed from the movie and change nothing. Brave, Oh Jennifer, Should I just dive into the recap? Yeah? So, I guess can we just sort of establish how the TV series ends, because I do fully believe, just based on what I know about the series, that the first movie seems to undo all everything that was cool about the series, and that was interesting about the series because it ends with Carrie deciding that she is going to be with no one with herself, right that she's she's chosen Carrie. I mean, we can't ever really know what Carrie wants because she's so fucking annoying. She's definitely like, I don't want to be with this ballerina who's pretending to be an artist for the sake of the show. Um, so she's gonna leave Paris, but like she is going to be with Big really, but she doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the series, right, Like yeah, no, I think Big goes to Paris and gets her. Wait is that really? Yeah? Okay, well you were saying that. I was like do I was I drunk in high school? Like you know, Big Big goes and gets sir. And then the movie sort of picks up a few years like what what have they been up to? Well? This is even worse than I thought. This is just awful. Good give it for Jeff guys. Wow, clear as a belt. All right, Yeah, let's talk about the movie alright. So the recap, Well, thankfully, the beginning of this movie recaps the highlights of the show, which was very helpful for me. There's cliffs I like, I like watching a movie alone that you know is doing fan service that you don't really understand. You're like, oh, someone is really enjoying this summer. So there are four main characters. Obviously, we've got Charlotte and her husband is Harry. Is that Mr Bald? Mr? Big? Mr Bald? She had a husband during this series named Trey Um, but he had erect all dysfunction and a mean mom. Oh well they got a divorce, classic Trey. So she and Harry are married and they've adopted a baby from China. Lily Miranda has moved to Brooklyn with her husband Steve and their son Brady. So far, so good. Good. Uh, Samantha loves sex? Did you know she's gating like a younger hottie actor Garrett Smith Jared Jarrett any man with two first names I cannot trust. And then Carrie has had this on again off again relationship with Big and right now they're on do you think his name is Jared Smith and he just doesn't know. Well, she meets him and his name is like something stupid, and then she's like, no, I'm going to fix you. Your name is Okay. I did watch that episode, but brag. So we flashed forward to the President where the movie picks up. Carrie and Big are looking for apartments in New York City. Ever heard of it? And that is exactly how the movie Rosemary's Baby starts, just saying I thought of that too, and I'm like, oh no, They're going to go into a two big apartment and then things will start to go wrong, and and that's what it kind of happens the Devil as it turns out, basically basically, so they find this expensive penthouse that Carrie falls in love with pre war They say, that's so much and that's like which war like And Chris Note is really turning in one of the worst performances of the century in this movie. He keeps turning to her with this shit eating grin and it's like, yeah, I got a lot of money. Well, because there is there is sort of like off camera behind the scenes things happening. Kim Catrell and Sarah Jessica Parker each other. I love it, hate each other, and that's why it kind of took so long for the movie to happen. Most recently there was so there's a second one. We won't get into that. I cannot even defend that one. Uh, there was gonna be a third one. Kim Cantrell's brother died and Sarah Jessica Parker commented like on her Instagram like I'm so sorry, I'm thinking about you, and Kim Cattrell was like, go funk yourself. WHOA, I don't need you and neither does my dead brother. And then everyone was like, I guess the third movie is not happening. So there is like this You're watching it and like we know this. So you're watching the movie being like these people hate each other and you know it's over money and sort of fame. Maybe that's why I liked it so much, just having coworkers have to be together that don't like each other behind the scenes drama. It truly does sustain me in many ways. Wait, is there anything for note heads? Was he was he does? He? Was he in a flight with anyone? No? But I did see him on the street once in New York and I was high, and I was like, I don't know if I should say anything. I don't know if I should say anything because he was so handsome, and I just yes. When we were shoulder to shoulder and he was carrying a briefcase and it's like, where are you going? What do you have? In their scripts of The Good Wife, like what business meeting do you have? We got shoulder to shoulder and I turned to him and I said, you're great, and he looked at me. He goes, thanks kid, Oh that kid, because he didn't like me. He didn't want to be talking to me. But I was like, thanks for giving me what I wanted, what I needed. I promise I won't interrupt anymore after this. I do have a quick Chris notath Alfred Molina crossover into Okay, So on my old Twitter account before I got frozen, I once tweeted, just so everyone knows Chris No is the poor man's Alfred Molina. This was years ago. Apparently both Chris No. Because I didn't tag anyone. I'm not tacky like that. I just was a general thought. And apparently both Chris North and Alfred Molina regularly searched their own names on Twitter, because they both replied with compliments to each other. Where Alfred was sorry, Freddy my friend replied saying I think Chris Not is the best Chris No he can be. It was kind of best if aggressive, and then you know, Chris Not was like, thanks buddy, your loved you and Spiderman too. It was so nice. And then if I recall you then tweeted back at Alfred Molina and you were like, please come on the Bechtel Cast and then sure enough, two years later he do that. So that's nice, great, thank you for the snap. Thank you very much. Someone snapped and it was beautiful, So okay, uh, we've So they're looking for departments. They find this expensive one and Big is like, I got this, babe. And Carrie is trying to figure out what to do with her apartment. She's considering selling it, but she's worried what might happen if, like she and Big split up again, because they have like five hundred times at this point. It's a lot, I guess. And but so they're not married, so she would have no legal rights to this property because he bought the whole thing. So he's like, okay, let's get married, and she's like, okay, cool, let's do that, and then they start planning the wedding. She gets featured in Vogue. There's a whole photo she's agends and then she's like, you're old, and you're just like, no kids bringing you're old, but no one says that, and then the scenes over, and then she is given address by Vivian Westwood, who I guess as a fancy designer, but I'm too poor to know that. Gwen Stefani says her name in a song, Oh no kidding, so you know she is cool. Then we get some subplots that take up time. Uh, there is some tension between Miranda and her husband Steve. They hardly have sex anymore. And then we've got Samantha and her boyfriend Smith. Their sex life is also kind of like slowing down because she's so horny and she just can't get enough sex. And there's a lot of stuff revolving like some very expensive ring in the wrong person bought the ring, and it's like we're relating to it, we're feeling it. Yes, stars on a ring. I wanted to buy it for myself. And then she start spying on her new neighbor who's always fucking as well. Yeah, that's weird. So then Carrie starts to move out of her apartment and then everything is like fun and cool until Steve tells Miranda that he had sex with another person and she's like, well screw you then and she leaves. Meanwhile, Big, he's not taking the wedding planning seriously. This is his third marriage. He's over. He's like, if a funk about weddings, he's yeah, he's prepping for season one of the Good Wife. He's like, can we move this on? Julianna Margolie's is my good wife? Right? Good Wife Wife? It's a very good show. Now that was like the kind of show that I was like, this show is fine, and then I was like, I'm in season six and I literally could not tell you a thing that happens in that show. I've never wanted. He's good watching The Good Fight, I'm not. I don't have four dollars. You don't want to spin off? Simply can't. I watched The Good Place anyway. So at the rehearsal dinner the night before the wedding, Steve shows up and it really upsets Miranda, so She goes up to Big and she's like, you are crazy for getting married. Married druins everything, and so he decides you're right. Yeah. So it's the day of the wedding. Big is trying to contact Carrie and then like on her flip phone. Love it. Yes, in of weirdly silent scene that child is only allowed to speak twice in the entire movie, and there's moment's room just like it would be so much less weird if she had a line of dialogue here, but she just looks from side to side and then like hides the flip phone. She's like the most well behaved child I've ever seen. It's implied that she watches Charlotte just move carry out of her apartment for three days. It's like, isn't she she looks like she should be in school there. Big essentially he doesn't want to get out of the limo. He is like, Carrie, I don't think we should do this, and then she attacks him with her bouquet of flowers. I did love that part, the beautiful scene. I love that part visually beautiful. That was one of the few times that I was like, I agree with Carrie right now. I don't, but we'll talk about it. I like that. And then we cut to a few days later, she is just shaken to her core and her friends are trying to comfort her. They go to Mexico and what was supposed to be her honeymoon trip, she does the same thing that Bella does in Twilight, when she basically blacks out for seventy two hours and wastes away. And then she's like, well, I have her laugh again. And then Charlotte ships herself and then she laughed, and then she laughed. Okay, I did like that part day. How fine? Uh, something's happened for a while. And then New Year's Eve rolls around and Miranda and carry hang out because they're both single. That's such a beautiful scene too. It's like the New Year's Eve song, but they do it. It's like instruments, I just get a whole, but like, I mentally don't feel like you did, like you may have, but I feel like you could be especially She goes back to New York and hires an assistant to like help forget her life. This is how like disposable. The Jennifer Hudson character is written to be as you can forget to mention her, and the movie doesn't change. Yeah, you really achieve diversity. Louise from St. Louis yea yeah. And then Big is still trying to get in touch with Carrie, but she like deletes his emails. She has a new phone number. Carrie is one of those terrifying women who's like, I refuse to you, like, learn how to use the phone. I'm too rich, which they're out there and I she doesn't know how to use a computer either, No, and she refused. She's like, I'll hire someone. I'm like, you bitch there and she dies her hair. She does her hair is brown. Is the color of sadness. Yes, I've found that to be charting. And then Charlotte, the brown haired one, also the other brown haired one, finds out she's gregnant. She's greg nant. Yes, she's got a little gregg cooking in there. So now New Year's Eve rolls around, and then Fashion Week happens for I gotta get well. The thing is like, they need this whole movie funded by various brands, and so there's entire there's that whole scene in the pharmacy where you're like the scene isn't necessary, but you're like, oh, but Gardnier, I get it, you know, they just need various checks. And then Miranda and Carry are hanging out on Valentine's Day and Carrie is like, maybe it was my fault, Maybe that's why Big left, And then Miranda is like, well, it's actually because I told him that he was stupid get married, even though that's clearly not Why so crazy? Can you think of how many offhand things you've said like this. I would have forgotten saying that within literally two hours. I mean, I'm also getting married, and people tell me all the time not to get married, are you no, I'm like, listen, I gotta get divorced on my own, you know, like I have to go on the journey. I understand that, but it's a lesson I have to learn the hard and expensive, catastrophic way. Big reacts to that as if it is the first time he's heard it, but we already knew been married t He's just like, wait a second, he's a week He's a weak man that I have a whole go into about this later on insane. But Miranda is acting like it's this big secret she's been keeping, and then Carrie reacts in such a way that she's I mean, she's furious she gets stuck on a bunch of balloons, right. Yeah. Visually reminds me of like at my birthday party last year, so many people confronted my then at the time new boyfriend for longboarding there, and you know, he stuck around, where's the longboard in the trash where I put it? You know. So it's like, you know, relationships should be able to weather these comments, is what I'm saying. Yes, So eventually Carrie forgives Miranda, and then she starts to figure out how she can forgive Steve. There's a whole brooklyn Bridge reunion. They get back together. Samantha is horny still for her neighbor, but she's like, I'm with Smith. I can't fuck my neighbor. So then she dumps Smith, which I thought was one of the Like, Samantha does a number of things that are just horrible in this movie that I hate, But the speech she gives to her hottie boyfriend who loves her, I really did like, because she's like, I like being in a relationship with myself more than I like being in a relationship with you. And he was like that tracks, Yeah, that's fine. He's so chill about it. It was after Naked Sushi yea. Also, Samantha's like B plotline is that she gained ten pounds, right that is that It's just like and yeah, who knows that's what that but that is like the implied wake up call of like she needs to break up with her wealthy TV actor boyfriend who's obsessed with her whatever. And then Charlotte, she's at this point gregnant as hell. Greg is ready, She's to come. Greg's kicking and uh. One day, she's having lunch by herself and she sees Big and she's like, I'm so mad at you. And then she's so mad that her water breaks. God, it's like the one, like one of the few cathartic moments in this movie. She's like, I fuck you, you suck. And then two seconds later she's like I need you, like you're like, god, damn it. So she takes her to the hospital and then Carrie shows up and they're like, he was waiting here for you. He still loves me, you he wrote you all these love letters and she's like, what love letters? And then she goes into the email file of all the ones she took how do use email? Because relationships are sacrifice. Yeah, then they retyped a book he copied and other people's writing and then wrote two sentences, and she's like good enough, good enough. She goes back to the apartment that he bought for her and then is selling again because she likes the shoe. She likes. She loves shoes. Jennifer Hudson. She called Jennifer Hudson. By the way, Jennifer Hudson is getting married, not that it has any relevance in the point. She's back in St. Louis, she's not even in New York, but yeah, she's back at home. And then she has to call to give Carrie one more plot point, which is that there's a shoe somewhere. That's truly what happens. What if Carrie goes into that closet and instead of shoes, it's like the pathway to devil worshiping cult like in Rosemary's Face. Was it really in the closet that that was where there was or there was like remember they moved the like that big piece of furniture, And then there's a plan that she moves the back of the closet and then there's like The Hallway to the Cult House that is such a better movie and it was made by like the most famous molester. It's just like this movie is bleak. What if she goes in the closet and Big is fucking his secretary and she's like, well, my Manola blonics are here some I'll marry you anyway. I mean, that's that's about where her standards are at. Yeah. So he's like, oh, I'm sorry, this is holding your shoe in my hand thinking of you. And then she's like, let's oh man, I love you, and he's like, let's get married again. This time I won't leave. So it ends. The movie ends the same way the TV show ended again, I get married, but this time they got in a simple Chanel vintage suit. Because the symbolism is she didn't need the big dress, she just needed channel. She just need what she wanted the whole time. She should have settled. I mean, she just needed the man, as every woman in this movie does. And then there at the courthouse, the gals are there to surprise her. Then that's Jennifer Huden doesn't even get to go. She's trapped in St. Louis. God but that's the movie of Texas City two eight the movie al Right, where do we oh, gosh, I don't know, well, I guess Megan, what was your your your first impression of this movie like versus the TV show? Do you feel like it's a big departure from the TV show or like or how did you feel about it? So I went into it and every the press had been like this movie is bad, and so expectations were low. The soundtrack is very good, and the fashion and is sort of the through line that they were able to bring from. It's a Patricia Field and it's like, listen, she did the show. Everyone looked cool and great. She did the movie. Everyone looked cool and great, and then you're just kind of like plugging them in different they give you. They sort of like scratched the itch. There is a montage of Carrie cleaning out her closet and you see all of her like iconic looks. There's two dress yes, yes, yes, And the thing is I could have used another one, you know, like never enough for me, And I did want Steven Miranda to get back together, and I like everybody's kids, what else you need? Ye? So yeah, the show is I know you would disagree the show is better. Um it was Emmys, you know, and this is not gonna win anything. But if you were like a fan of the show, I think you would watch the movie and be like, this is a nice warm cup of cocoa. Yeah, there's a like there's a few and I guess like we were operating on limited sex in the city knowledge here. But I mean for most movies, I I would be I'm like always like, oh, like, why aren't there people of multiple classes portrayed and all that? But for this franchise in particular, there's a lot of things like the lack of like diversity and like the very like bizarrely poor way at handles queerness given that the creator is queer, Like I take extreme issue with all of that. But the class stuff I feel like I weirdly exclude from this conversation because I feel like it was designed as an escapist fantasy for women, and it has like a complicated legacy in general, and that's been good. Lord hasn't been written to death the legacy of this franchise. But I feel like in this like we can do the same five complaints everyone has about this show of like how does care you for this one of freelance writer salary, Like it written like it is a fantasy and you're supposed to you know. And and when this franchise was kind of like forward thinking in a little bit different, which is like maybe the first few seasons of this show and definitely not by two thousand and eight, Like it's cultural usefulness was kind of behind it, and it was there for fans, but I don't know, I I appreciate it as an escapist idea. And and there are like it's so often that whenever there is a franchise that's targeted at women specifically, however flawed it is. But like we've talked about Twilight, We've talked about Fifty Shades of Gray, We've talked about a bunch of franchises directed at women, and there's just like always this implicit shame about it to anyone who enjoys it in any capacity. That sucks, because like we've also done fucking Blade Runner, We've done like every movie, like every stupid movie directed to guys, and and it's like, you know, women get should get dumb stuff too, um, and yeah, that's my feminism too well. And I also think Sex in the City got a bit of a pass because it was in the ninth like when it premiered. I think it was like things that was a different time obviously, and in their defense, they were like, well, we're talking so openly about sex, and we're having women talk about sex, and so everyone kind of looked the other way on all those other issues, to the point that when Girls started, which very much kind of stepped into that same time slot need demographic, and everyone was like, where the funk are all the black people. Lena Dunnam was like, but Sex in the City didn't have any black people, and it's like, yeah, that was a long time ago, and people are mad at them now. And I think that's why Girls had so much backlash is because some of it was like delayed Sex in the City backlash. Yeah, I agree. I mean it's I don't know, like, yeah, anything that anyone says about this is always going to be like loaded and weird and complicated. But on its surface, like there were like in in like the pilot of the show did did a little homework and it's like this is like one of the first shows that acknowledged queer people. However, poorly written as a part of other people's lives, specifically queer men. Queer men. Yes, the show kind of except for it, I think one Samantha lesbian for like eisde But other than that, the show seems to erase queer women altogether. That is true. And she ends up like breaking up with her girlfriend because she's like, you're so neaty, Like it's not even a good representation. But they do take baths together and and it is like, I mean, like all like, we've covered so many movies that take place in the late nineties, and it's weird because even though the this movie comes out in two eight, it is still the late nineties in the world of this franchise for its entirety, which is why for oh eight, I'm sure it was poorly reviewed because the world had mostly just like moved on from that like way of women being portrayed. Uh So, I feel like this is a late nineties movie in a way, and it is like it sort of subscribes to like I almost think of it the way that you think of like the Spice Girls in a way where you're like it is like feminism, like girl power that's trying to sell you something quite aggressively, and it's you know, it's like, oh yeah, like women are in powered as long as you fucking have money are white and our head around right yeah, So I mean it is like just right off the top, it is peak all of that, and we understand that. Yes, yes, indeed, I did write. The first thing I wrote in my notes is women be shopping the movie. So but they and they be, they be shopping. That does not disappoint if you're looking for women be shopping representation this movie delivers I honestly. I mean it's like, why watched this movie if you don't want to see women shopping? It is visibility for women movie shopping. And then another thing, good thing, which we touched on briefly, but this, as far as I understand, it was one of the first kind of mainstream things that was about sex positivity, especially for women, and that it kind of an open opened up some conversations, um that helped kind of lead to a more sex positive era. And then do you remember, I mean it's like, and I didn't watch this show when it was airing, but even I was like familiar with and I know, we look at it now and we're like obviously this is like one of the least diverse franchises, but the like hatred directed at Sarah Jessica Parker for how she looked like was so intense, and that for the kind of grounds it in, like of when it came out of like you couldn't even have a face that wasn't the same face as everyone else without people just piling on you, and you just think about, like, I mean, if I was Sergic, I mean, how how must that feel? That must feel like sucking dogshit. I've read my YouTube comments before bad. Yeah, there's like I'm so sorry to bring up Family Guy, but okay, there's a I think it's a family Guy joke where they like compare her face to a foot. I want to say, yeah, it's a lot, there's a lot. I don't know why, I'm can I list there's a foot and horse I remember, and it's just like it's it's just like, yeah, she's a hot, thin heatero white lady and even she couldn't you know, Like so, I mean, it's just such a weird, complicated subject. Well, let's let's really dive the weeds. The bush, Miranda's bush, Miranda's bush, is my favorite character in the movie. I was like, Oh, that's that's me, that's me. I feel seen um for once. So the big things for me for this movie is in addition to the things that've already been talked about to death, which is, you know, the lack of racial diversity, the weird representations of queerness, um, the class thing, which I do kind of take issue with, but this movie is and I know this is the point of the show, Sex and the City, show, the whole franchise, but these women's lives are so consumed by men. Because the show is about sex and relationships, and because they're all hetero women, it ends up being that they their lives revolve around the men were with. And yes, we do know what their jobs are, and sometimes we see them at work in this movie not as much. We really only see them as they their storylines are all in relationship to men, and they're just lives are completely revolving around men, so that it does not mode well for me. So another question, how what was the balance between like their relationships and then they're like job stuff in the series I do. I mean, Miranda went to Harvard and she had a whole plot line about trying to make partner and how difficult it was when she had Brady, and so her job definitely was I mean, you know that she works. I guess being a Harvard educated lawyer is not quote unquote relatable, but she was a businesswoman and that's how she identified. Well, someone with a master's agree in screenwriting from Boston University, it's actually pretty relatable. So but like her and and they very much dressed them for their jobs. So Miranda was always in sort of like a two piece suit. And then Samantha was a publicist, but like a very very good one, and there were allusions to the fact that she had really hustled and worked her way up. We don't really ever find out how Carrie got this column, but she has it, and then at some point she sells a book. And I think because in the movie she does not work at all, she has written three books and she's living off of that. And then Charlotte worked at galleries. So the jobs that women are allowed to have in rom coms, working at a galley, working at magazine, Laura, but only if you're a bit yeah, and a publicist. Yeah. The way the movie does it, I don't know yeah, the way the movie does it is egregious. No one's job is relevant really for both Carrie and Samantha at this point when we you know, we see them in the movie, even their professional lives are centered around their relationships in general or relationships because because Samantha has like basically made her client but him like, yeah, she's basically his momager. And then and then Carrie just writes about you know, her hetero love partners and sex and even though she hates computers. You're like writer. But I also have no idea what Big does. What he's like, I I mean, like I'm guessing finance, hedge fund, venture capitalist. He's definitely rich, but it's never said what he does in anyway. We don't even actually know. His name is John think she got three names, John, Joseph Jingle sit. Yeah, that is his name. That as a runner in the series. So they don't really put a lot of weight on I mean, like Steve owns a bar and it's like, no, you don't, Steve, I mean you do, but you don't. What does the bald guy do? Um? He is a lawyer. He was actually Charlotte's divorce lawyer. Okay, sure, which for her like pretty convenient. But her issue with him, she was like, he's ugly, but I guess he is rich, so let's putting his work, so I'll marry it. Wow, his mom I like his mom. I think his mom is dead like something where she was like jack pot. That is so dark. Okay. The other thing that really really bugs me about this movie, again, aside from all this stuff that has regularly talked about, is that these women are so reactionary and they overreact to everything, which plays into the you know stereotypes that like women just are so emotional and we can't control our emotions, and you know, we're incapable of being a lot reasonable and anything like that. Because the plot of the movie only happens because Carrie, what I think is a huge overreaction to Big having some second thoughts about the wedding, like he well, my let's because how I I would feel that way if that were the first time he had done this. But this is clearly established, like this is like the third, fourth, fifth time he has bailed on her at the last minute. So I say, hit him with a bouquet, and she even says, I knew you would do this, right she's like mad at herself because she's like, of course he was going to do. She also should have picked up her fucking phone, you know, like literally give me the damn phone. Yeah, that's true. I mean, and and there are so many It's like Chekhov's phone is put into this purse just so like this will happen, but it I mean, I was refreshed by that moment because I like, no, in my head that even they break up, if they break up forty five minutes into this two and a half hour long movie, so they're gonna get back together at the end, which I already find disappointing. The same thing with Steven Miranda because I'm not attached to their relationship. And I really was like, she should just break up with him if he can't handle not having sex because she's raising his child, sucking grow up. You're divorced now by like what, Like, I just I I wanted both of the relationships in Peril to actually end, So I really relished the moments that they were like no, fuck you, You're you're like a dipshit and like, you know, you said you'd show up, fucking show up. I'm fine with those relationships ending if they had, especially Big had done something to warrant it a bit more ensure he maybe the bailor I am not familiar enough with the show to have realized that. I'm also not attached to the show. But I'm like, bail on me three times. You're canceled, like he had. He had said though, like I just want you. I don't care about a wedding like da da da, And then she she I feel like overreacts because she was humiliated in public, even though it was front of her close friends. And then I don't know, I just I thought that was such a huge overreaction, and then maybe that would have been so bad except that it keeps happening, where then she freaks the funk out at Miranda. That is stupid what that is? I mean, I think like the herd Miranda, like that whole argument is set up to be so stupid, like her passing comment doomed Carrie's marriage. Then it's like, yeah, they shouldn't have gotten married. Big is like a lamo coward. Don't marry him. But I mean, yeah, their their whole friendship being in peril like there that had to have that needed to be like a stronger storyline because it makes her look really weird and petty and like, and it makes Miranda looks stupid it, which we know she's canonically not so Yeah, but then like Samantha freaks out at Smith and like throw sushi at HM. That was dumb too, I didn't I didn't like that. And then m Carrie throws her phone off of the clip carry yeah she chi And then Miranda, I feel like her being upset with Steve being unfaithful to her was more of a warranted thing. But also she just like she refused to talk about it, she refused to do anything. She was just like I'm leaving forever. And then they get back together, so as do Carrie and Big. So we see that these women I guess are capable of forgiveness and growth, which seems so they're good Christians whatever, like, but it just like the reactionary responses that we're just like so steeped and like women be crazy with their emotions. Like I couldn't really get past that. Yeah, I don't know, I mean, and and was that true in the show. I feel like I do always appreciate and I think that this movie shows like really none of this. But I do always appreciate when you see like women making mistakes but are still you know, you're still rooting for them, because there is such a tendency we talk about all the time towards like Mary Sue, female characters who cannot make a mistake because women get one chance on screen or in life, and if and if you funk up, you know you're you're dead to the world. So I do appreciate like when women funk up in a sympathetic way, but I feel like that doesn't really I feel like that might happen in the show sometimes where you're like Carrere, you dumbass, but in the show they're way crazier. Really, I think, so yeah, time, I mean, listen, you've got to get people to tune in every Sunday. There's still drama. There was a guide that, um, I mean they would they would break up with men for the crazy is things like there was a guy who would like eat Miranda's pussy and then like she didn't like he like wasn't wiping his face and then she was like, you're out of here, and it's like I wipe his face for like I've never seen this ship. I've never seen that episode, and I remember that because it looked like a glazed donut. Yeah, And I thought of that the first time that happened to me, and I was like, it's like the things, you know, they there were relationships in the show that they threw away because that's the point, you know, like that's the vehicle, is them breaking up with people constantly to the point that you're like, you're all going to be alone, which is fine, everybody is allowed to be alone, but they all like, I don't want to be alone except for Samantha really, and I think that's kind of what the writers were doing for the movie. They were like, we can't have all of these couples work, so Smith and Samantha have to end. But that's the couple that you're the least invested, right, um, And like she's the character who should be with someone the least, so that when that that's not even like a big sacrifice in any way. But I did. I was very, very invested in Stephen Miranda. I feel like, I, Stephen Harry are like good guys. They really are. I will see I I It's one thing, Okay, the thing that bothered me about Steven Miranda who I don't know what their history is, but like the thing that bothered me about them getting back together was that it wasn't Miranda's idea for them to get back together. Where it's like I actually kind of understand that when she found out, like it is set up for her, like we're fully on her side where she is like I am like being a lawyer five hundred hours a day, I'm raising this kid. I've got to do all this stuff. Yeah, she's helping his mom and he's like, why won't you like me more? Like that sucks? And the fact that she stands up for herself and it's kind of just like I don't have time to fuck you right now, Like I get it, Like it's it's just like I feel like she, like a lot of women and people in general can relate with that, like are you seriously asking me to do this on top of like taking care of your sick mom and your child who can't stop like drule or whatever, like And then it seems I feel like the movie implies the consequence of that is he cheats, and then she's made out to seem mean for not wanting to deal with it right away and not wanting to like forgive him right away, like no, why that's so shitty and I and so if it was her idea to be like, Okay, some time has passed, I've had time to think about it, let's try counseling. Then great. But it's like if like her friends pressure her into it, like all three of them are like, why won't you give Steve a chance and just give her time? Yeah, but he has a free voice, but he's like they're like, Miranda, come on and if I need it, I'm sorry took somebody. And then they're like, come on, Miranda. Well and some of their history, you know, he has one test to call and they had sack doesn't come up. They had sacks. She had like pity sex with him, and that's when she got pregnant and she was going to have an abortion. Carry went with her and then she didn't have an abortion, which is actually a plotline that I really, really really fucking hate in the show and in Girls. It's like, both of these women would have had abortions, and you're being extremely offensive to the people that watched these shows that have had abortions and didn't walk out of the clinic to keep the baby. The fund has ever done that, so they do have like and I think what they're saying to Miranda sometimes in that for saying, they're like, listen, you chose this bitch, and you got this bitch. So you're trying to change someone and it's just not going to happen. I just wish they'd just like let her come to that conclusion on her own. But Miranda gets in her own way. So they're like they all sort of are having to like see their fatal flaws throughout the movie, and Miranda is that she's stubborn and can be like cold hearted. Charlotte's says that she likes to run. Um carries is just very bad form by the way, I know. I mean it's like I was like, what is the movie about. It was Charlotte and she's afraid she's going to have a mischaracter. She stops running, right, that's her storyline. She I honestly didn't care reaction there, I know, but I mean I I was actually kind of relieved that Charlotte wasn't given too much to do because I'm like, I do care about you the least. Yeah, but her husband is great Harry's great. Mr Bald him, make him part of the friend group. Get Charlotte. He kind of it like he's always like he like shows up and it's like hey, carry like he's he's always opening doors with like a sympathetic look, and that's his entire character. His whole thing was like, I know, I just watched my wife give birth for the first time, but you should really get back together with Mr Bay like thank you, Mr baltie By, and I have to go, you know, clip the symbolical cord. But he's awesome and tall. Yeah, it's true. I mean, we can't take that from him. I think I was just giving this some thought just now. One of the reasons that I think this still feels so much like a nineties era movie even though it was made it came out in two thousand and eight, is that the characters, from what I understand again from the little that I've watched the show, the four women are way more caricatures than they are real people, which was how TV shows were written in the nineties, like that, that's just how it was, and then they never evolved past that in the movie, so they still feel like, I mean, what do we know about Samantha. She likes to funk. She brings it up in every scene she's in. What do we know about Charlotte, She's like a goody two shoe is like everything offends me, and I won't eat anything if it's in Mexico because I that was that whole scene was rough for everyone because they're like, we hate food that wasn't made in America and pubic hair was then going to Mexico is bad because I don't think I mean, it's so unrealistic that they would just be like, oh, these two people that were going to come for their honeymoon, now we're gonna let for ump. No business would do that. How do how do they all just have time off? I mean, Miranda doesn't have enough time to fuck, and now she has enough time to get her passport and go to Mexico, like I don't know where? Where's Brady? And then and then Harry. I hate when nothing is wrong with people and they have to be fed food, like like a little in Little Women, Beth is fed food and it's like beauple Fall and you're like, oh my god, she's dying because you love these German kids too much, and like you love. I just love watching people like slurp soup that are ill. But it's like, carry, Harry is healthy. Can we respect Harry is healthy? Healthy, She's in wedding shape. Okay, that's usually when people are their best, and like one of them is having like feed her yogurt, and it's like, don't do this to them, like either eat the yogurt or don't go to Mexico. She she shouldn't have gone. She overreacted, and that's why she's so depressed. Like if she just stopped to talk to Beg for a second, reasonable person would he could have been like, hey, yes, I am having cold feet some second thoughts, as many many people do when they're about to get married. I'm going to leave you at the altar, Caitlin, because this is I there. I I still I think she should have hit him with the bouquet. I do. I do think it is like weird, poor form to be like, yeah, fine, I'll go on my honeymoon, but I'll be a real bitch about it, like just stay home. If that's the everyone's being so bending over backwards. I also, this is no offense to Cabo or wherever they were. I don't think Carrie and Big would go to Mexico. I think they would go to Greece and like rent a yacht. I don't because hates people of colors, So I wouldn't go to anywhere where you're like, well, it almost reminded me of like kind of like a Wes Anderson he move of like, let's just go to like a majority non white country and use the people in the culture. They're as set dressing for white people doing well, boy, are you not gonna like Sex in the City to Yeah, that one. It's crazy. It cost me um three to rent this and Sex in the City to telling me it costs fifty cents? Isn't that wild? And this and Sex in the City of the movie is not good. It was not worth four dollars. I can't I cannot even conceive a fifty cent rental on YouTube would yield. It's hard to know. Well, now that we're on this road of how the show treats race, shall I just open up with a quote that I have? Okay, So this is from a piece in Refinery twenty nine by Hunter Harris entitled Hunter Harris, uh friend of the show because friend of me? Oh No, kidding. Thank you a friend of yours. We went to college together. Amazing, Let's get her on the show. Fine, Okay, the pieces entitled for women of color? Who Loves sex in the City, She says, quote. It was a show that was simultaneously progressive and regressive, where people of color were either stereotypes or punch lines. Even when Samantha or Miranda never carry or Charlotte share their bed with a black or Latino suitor, the lead character's empathy or curiosity never expanded beyond stereotypical observations whispered amongst their narrow white social circles. New York was the main character on the show that featured only one type of New Yorker. Um. So that's this is speaking specifically about the series rather than the movie, But it does apply to the movie still, because the one person of color that has any sort of narrative significance is the assistant that Carry hires, which I am guessing it's clearly a response to all the criticism the show got is like, include more people of color, but then the optics of like a working class black woman being hired to work for a rich white lady, those optics are not. I honestly also think they just really wanted Jennifer Hudson on the soundtrack, and like that may have actually trumped the fact that they were like, we need a black person on the show, and this is like peak Jennifer Hudson and I she had already won an Oscar. I think they got her post Oscar to just like be yeah, I truly, I mean, I just like stand Jennifer Hudson heart and I did not know she was in this movie. She is not used to her full talent, and I feel like her role is essentially I mean like you could even argue I think, and you know, everyone's sound off in the comments, but I feel like you could even reduce it to like kind of a white savior narrative of like she applies for this assistant job and then Carrie, you know, lifts her up and like gives her a bag and like all the ship and ugliest bag I've ever seen a very bad bag there. But I feel like this is another like symptom of this and kind of as an extension of what Hunter is saying, Like it's a symptom of a show made in the nineties that was super white, very clearly not conscious of the fact that, like television needs to be fucking inclusive because everyone's watching it and then trying to course correct way too late. I feel like there's like a similar like another big nineties show, Friends, ever heard of a bit like they did? I just like fact Checks, they added a black character in season nine of that show. Aisha Tyler joined the cast in like the last two seasons of that show, and it just and like, even though like Jennifer Hudson does like as much as she possibly can with what she's given, and so did Aisha Tyler's just like too little, too late to course correct when you're that deep into something and we're you know, when this comes out, We're ten years deep into Sex in the City, and this is the first woman of color that is included meaningfully. And it's like, I mean reflected by your recap, Like she is very easily removed from the plot without much happening. She organizes Carrie's life a little bit. Also, she is, she teaches, she does, she checks email for she makes her a better website because she she squares a computer science major. Why is she getting a job as an assistant to Carrie Bradshaw. That doesn't make well. She is a woman in STEMP number one computer science is letter. Oh yes, I was like which letter? But yeah, So she gets this job that she's overqualified for. I don't know why she applies. I mean this one. I mean it's like, this is the recession. That's how I testified it. I was like, well, you know, people would graduate degrees. But I think it was shot pre recession. I think it was shot like sub primari crazy. Hang on, let me find because so there's this whole storyline where Carrie does this photo shoot for Vogue, and then a little bit later on into the movie, she is looking at the stack of magazines she has, and on top of her issue of Vogue, there is an issue of Forbes magazine and on the cover it says, how long before our real estate bubble pops? Oh my god, I mean, what has to be? Like? Did you see tex in the city. We called this right because this movie came out. The housing market you've officially crashed on December eight. Mother, it's their fault. Do you think that Big and Carry going to lose their apartment because of the housing ball? But I mean probably he was I'm guessing this like finance guy in the bank he got hit by an egg during Occupy Wall stage. I just think, but but so Carrie sees this magazine, but she like kind of moves it to the side. She she had just read the article and done something about it, we wouldn't have been a yeah, I was thinking that. Instead, she's like boys boys boys, I mean, and even Jennifer Hudson's character ends up leaving New York for a man to get married. I mean, well, that's that's how her characters introduced. Is the reason Carrie hires her is because Jennifer Hudson is like how to break up? Yeah, She's just like I came here to fall in love and carry is like, I'm also stupid. You want to be my employee? Like, it is not a good beginning to affriendicip. I mean, it's a Jennifer Hudson is very good at her job even, I mean it's like her job is just checking email. She's great at her job. She rents bags, she has, she loves her now. I think it was a joke then, but it's real now. And Carrie does, to someone's credit, say like many many times you say to me, yeah, it's just I mean, it's like, after ten years, you're like, this is the best we can do. And Michael Patrick King, who is the creator of Sex in the City, he is a queer white man. He has a really I mean, you could look at up. He has a very bad track record of it's like he's perpetually in. He can't get out, he's trapped. What else has he done? He also created Two Broke Girls, UM, which also which had sometime in had like a storyline that addressed race because it's another show that's helped by straight white women and uh that by the time it had came around, he got blowback and dealt with it. You're never gonna guess extremely poorly um, And so it is one of those things where it's just like, yeah, he's trapped in the nineties and refuses to learn and now there are consequences for it. It's so I mean, because he also directed this movie, he was one of the co writers on it. And then like, the way queerness is handled is strange to me and does still feels very stuck in the nineties. There's a lot of criticism around that too. Yeah, where it's like you're like you're saying mostly queer menu. But j T was telling me, who made me watch this movie? Also made me watch Twilight. But he was like brave, Like, I'm so attached to the show. I love this show because it was one of the first mainstream pieces of media that gave visibility to and that normalized gay men existing in the world. So I was like, okay, like kudos to the show for that. But then like, I don't know, I just I feel like some of the gay male characters that we meet are just like steeped in stereotypes there. I mean, I think that's just like another way that this show is like perpetually in where that was a big deal in queer characters to be acknowledged into any way, and then by the time oh eight comes around, it's just like, well, this is now a really dated and like boring and offensive way to write queer characters, like get your ship Together. One thing I like about the movie I will say, is that it is about you know, it's like about a group of women over forty, which you'd never see in a movie. Um, So I like that. I like that there are women over forty that are treated by the movie as sexually like hot and their sex lives are important, and I feel like that is like the strength of this entire like series as it started, Like women over thirty are not like shrews are horrible if they're not married by a certain age. And now you know, like the benefit of it being two thousand eight is like, you know, Samantha turned fifty at the end of the movie and Curious forty, and that is like addressed and you see them not just be okay with it, but you also see them struggle with it a little bit, which feels pretty realistic. And so that part that I liked. Yeah, they're also at least Carrie is on like the receiving end of some weird like ageist comments from a woman who is over but she's like, you can help to prove women everywhere that a woman over forty can get married, and then she makes a weird Dan Arbists reference that I had to look up. Weird. She's like, yeah, you can get photographed and it won't you won't look like a circus freak for now. But if you're even a little bit older than you are and you get photographed in a wedding dress, then you will look like a freak and like it just it was such a weird that is why, Okay, not to get back to defending Carey for hitting him with the bouquet, but to get back to that that was like I felt like that was set up in a lot of ways, including that she was pressured by Candice Bergen, classic movie villain. We've all seen Miss congeniality, um so like but we we we saw her be pressured into this Vogue shoot, which is obviously a huge champagne problem, but like she is pressured into doing it. It doesn't seem like she wants to do it at first, and she's like and then like, you know, this guy's he's fucking flake, Like I shouldn't do a Vogue shoot. He constantly bails on me. We have serious relationship problems. But but then Kennisbergen goes into this wild age is rant as a woman over sixty five, and she's just like, no, I mean, you're basically dead, so you should be grateful that I'm offering this to you. So I feel like she's pressured into that, and then she does that, so I do feel like they're okay. I feel like in a way not to relate with Carrie. But I feel like perhaps Carrie feels like she is representing uh woman over forty who is like desirable and like worthy of getting married, and you know, like I feel like she is representing more than herself, so that when Mr Big bails on her for the five thousandth times, it's not only the frustration of like you fucking suck, but it's also like I was representing this thing and now you made me, now you don't. It's not only me failing, it's like a bunch of people that are going to feel bad that this didn't work out, and you're proving a point. You're proving that, like women who are older should not be brides in this way, because I do think. I mean, I've been looking at a lot of Bridle magazines lately and it's extremely agist. And even when I went to try on dresses I tried to address, it was like very simple and like slinky, and I was like, this is more like a second wedding dress, Like you're you do have to like I have eight bridesmaids and I'm like, I'm too old for that. Like a wedding is a very juvenile thing, even though it's grown ups doing it. It's very silly get at the end. So it is. I do think in a lot of ways the movie was trying to address that, like no matter what age you are, if you're rich, you can where whatever you want. And that was sort of like a fashion note how big your wedding can be. But the age and the wedding was definitely unintentional, perhaps at a significant like plot point that I think a lot of people could see themselves in sure. I think for me, like the fact that she, you know, is over forty and that being like the one way that she experiences any sort of like marginalization in the Yeah, but but you've really come over to the dark side there, like yeah, but we're in there, We're I mean, I like I saw I was seeing Mary Poppins the movie started, and a man thirty seconds into the movie he turns to his girlfriend and goes, it's a musical, and it's like, how did you not know that? And of course it doesn't make any sense that penguins tap dance, but like in this world it does. So like the sex in the city, world is fucked up, but like in the world, the things do make sense, right, I suppose I just have to learn to suspend my different She has a three pillow. I can't, but like, I would get that, really, of course is it? I don't. I didn't remember that. That's like half of my rent um. Yeah, I would get a and we hate you for it. There's a silk pillow. I don't know why she say. She just said it was like Samantha's dog is humping a pillow. She's like, by the way, that tony dog narrative. Oh, I honestly, I would not get a three pillow to put on a couch. I would get a three pillow to sleep on, and I hope that makes me more relatable. I wouldn't get a three hundred dollar pillow, but I would get a horny dog. And I have gotten a horny dog. And I was like, oh, here, here we are. Maybe every time they would do something fucking stupid, I'm like, maybe i'm this person because I'm stupid. Um, here's a few things I like. You see women eating a lot, Yes, you rarely get I mean they are shamed for it, but they dewey and uh yeah, there is more body shaming than you would think. But shame for body hair shamed for Samantha having gained a little bit of weight. Um, but you see women eating in several different scenes and that is rare. Carrie hate doesn't cook, hates to cook, And I liked that because as another person who hates to cook, I think that's important visibility for webbing. Yeah. Um, I like that. The engagement between Big and Carry. Isn't this like overly dramatic, like big romantic gesture uh as Carrie says, It's two adults making a decision, which I think is maybe how more engagements should go handled, very mature, but sure, do you want to be in it or do you want to be on the ground looking up? I want to wake up in the okay you want? I want my bed to have been placed in and wake up in the limp. Well, but then at the end, Big is like, oh man, we decided to get married and it was like all business, no romance, and that's like framed as a mistake. But I feel like, I mean, marriage is just like a business transaction right well, and like the when they all have a say, and like it's very strange to me in archaic that like it's like the man is deciding when in most relationships. The men decide nothing because they can't think about anything but themselves, so it's sort of is the one thing they have to do and they usually sunk it up. But it's like, it shouldn't the woman be a part of this conversation all the That was like when another thing that I sort of was hit on, because it's like, I I tried to watch this movie and meet sex in the city on its terms, which is like, you know, like vapid materialism, and it is like if we have limitless resources, which all of these women do. Carrie wanted a big, fancy wedding and Big says repeatedly, I love you for who you are. I love you, I take you you are. But when she says, well I want this, that's not okay with them, and that bothers him and that I don't know that bothered me too. Of like it isn't until she there is no compromise. It's not like we'll have a mid sized wedding, which would have been a you know, an adult discussion of like she wants a bajillion people. He was like, let's have you know, fifty people, But she ends up doing exactly what he wanted. In the first place, which is to go to the courthouse, and that's like, oh, now she can be married because she compromised, rejected her own dream and it's like, I know the weddings are silly, but that is part of why my parents marriage failed. But she thought that sue and showed it to everybody and they were all like no. So in some ways she did want something more simple, but no pun intended. She got carried away and the guest lest started growing because I think she started to and we all sometimes do this. She started to get attention, and she liked the attend chin of being a bride, and at first I think she thought it was silly to be a bride. So I think she was happy in both camps, and she was happy on the camp that made him want to marry her. Here's another thing I like. Um, I like that Samantha doesn't believe in marriage. That's something also nice visibility from someone who again hates to cook and doesn't want to get married. I like the male gaze is flipped and you see I suppose hetero female gaze where Samantha is looking at her neighbor and then although you do see his dick and that is great good. I loved it. I mean, if you see a dick in a movie, it's almost always like a gross out joke. It's literally, yeah, but you see like some some hetero female gaze dick, and I realized sexualized dick. Although I will argue that her spying on her neighbors fucking is extremely illegal and she should be in jail. Course, but she's also in Malibu and they're like having sex in front of a window, so they think they wanted their neighbors to see. Yeah, yeah, and and I do like that. She, however corny it was. I liked her monologue when she breaks up with her boyfriend, saying like, I like myself, I don't want to be in a long term relationship. By do you want the ring? No? I like that. She also this is so small, but he there's this whole stupid ass thing with a ring. Anyways, she is like, do you want the ring bag? And he's like no, and she if it were me, I would have been like, are you sure? Are you sure? Are you sure? And she's like, okay, well I'll think of you. When I look at it, I was like, oh, that would be it would be fun. To be that bitch for one minute, it would Does anyone have any other thoughts about this movie? Boy? Oh boy, I feel like I we skipped stuff. Oh there's a scene where like Miranda has left Steve and she's looking for an apartment and what I think is Chinatown another racist and she's just like, oh, I don't want to live here. Look there's a white guy. I'll follow him, and like, only can go. I mean, Miranda for years has been like Brooklyn, and then you see her in Brooklyn and it's like, you're in like a five million dollar town house. So I guess this was okay, but she still is like I cannot believe I have to live here. So I don't know what Miranda's issue with um real estate is, but it's it's it's deep. Yes, She's The last thing I'll say is it took me. I had to watch the scene where Samantha, Like, there's the storyline where Samantha is unhappy that she can't suck her neighbor. She wants to get out of her relationship, and so she gains ten pounds. She did not gain ten pounds though, No for sure to show her eating cake twice and then like put her in pants that are too tight and yeah, and then it just like, I mean all the implications that like any manner of gaining weight indicates that you are like depressed or something is wrong with you. Yeah, like there so that whole like it didn't look like she had gained weight, and everyone is like low key mortified when she looks I think truly exactly this and is a cancer survive her on the show, like why is this what we're freaking out about? And then like Carrie makes this just like this made me so annoyed, where Carrie makes this little comment where she's like, honestly, I think you would look beautiful at any size, but like what the fuck? Like You're just like you don't fucking mean that, you like liar, Like it just it was so unnecessary and it just yeah, I mean, just like everything I dislike about this movie is like yeah, because that's what people from would have not blinked an i at. And that is why this movie sucks, because it came out ten years after it was intended to and in contact, even in context, it makes no sense. And it makes sense to me that it was like poorly received, even though it does all the fan service. Everyone is still using like cordless phones and like where's your sidekick? Like, who it's two thousand and eight. Are they gen xers? Is that what generation they are? No? I think they might actually be boomers. I mean, Samantha's a boomer, Samantha, and then I think the rest are gen xers, maybe legally, but like they behave like boomer I'm like, and then all the children are millennials. And Brady's actually running. I mean it's so. I mean Miranda ran for governor, right, yeah, I mean, and it's like at least there, you know, Like Cynthia Nixon is like an out actor and I mean I don't know how No, I mean she plays a strict care who knows. Yeah, she's openly queer. She's married to a woman. And then she also speaks out quite a bit about like by eraser because she identifies as by sexual, speaks out about that. I like her. I like her. Yeah, there, there's there there God. I that's all I'll say. I've simply had it. We're not going to do the second movie. It's the last time it will come up on the show. Well, should we determine whether or not the movie passes to the back toel tests by our standards of just like a two line exchange would not as much as it should's about four women and every conversation they have. Even if there is a two line exchange that is not about a man, that usually end up talking about a man eventually, or the Christmas shadow subtext, the context is almost always about men or had our relationships. So it's not the best it does it does. It's squakes. It squakes when they're fat shaming Samantha for not actually looking any different. It's whenever Samantha is body hair shaming. Miranda that being horrified by the first pube she's ever seen passes the backtal test. It's not as we say, it is not a perfect metric, but a perfect metric is our nipples skinning zero to five nipples based on its portrayal, treatment and representation of women. For this, I guess I'll give it like two. Does that sound good? I need validation from the crowd. There is it about a group of women celebrating their friendship? Is did it kind of? Did it help with the sex positivity movement? Arguably sort of? Did it do a lot of regressive stuff? As well. And yeah, just the fact that the women are just so all consumed by the men in their lives. They are again I would argue, playing into the trope and stereotype of like highly highly irrationally emotional women and being so overreactionary about everything, the entire erasure of people of color. There's like a quote in the very beginning I think she's carries doing like voice over about the auction that they go to, which is like a woman getting divorced and having nowhere to live, even though she like was a model and like all this stuff, like clearly had money. But meanwhile, like the homelessness problem in New York City is you know, yeah, why don't they address that homelessness? Says something like and an event that all types of New York women go to. And then you like see the crowd and it's just like thin, white, rich, right, and they're all they're buying the things of a woman down on hers. It's very dark, that whole atoll strange revenge narrative yild. So yeah, I mean there's some things to like about, you know. I like this Samantha, you know, just wants to go out there and fuck and doesn't believe in relationships, Carrie hates to cook, love those things everything else don't care for. So I might even bump it down to one and a half nipples. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing it one and half nipples. I'll give one to Cynthia Nixon and I'll give my half nipple to the dog who humps the pillow. Horny dog. Did the dog get a name? I was just calling horny dog in my notes, Um she name it? I feel like it doesn't. I think it had like a funny name. The dogs. The dogs treated like the children just in consequence them. I'm I'm gonna it's funny because I've been standing up for various plot wins. I'm gonna give it half a nipple. And if that I like this, I mean this is like French. I mean this, especially if we're talking about the movie. The movie is reflecting the values of ten years ago, so that's never gonna bear well, like it's just I mean sex adicity, like it was empowered, vaguely empowering to people for you know, like up until like two thousand two, maybe if you and then the L word came on and then you know, it's like there there's there's so much more to like see culture reflected in any way by the time this movie comes out, that it's I mean, the the only thing, I mean, the thing I can say for it is that it is for for its class issues. The women of Sex City are not here to fix homelessness. They are. It is a classist escape narrative, which I think does do something for for a lot of people. I mean, I I know, like people in my life who were just like you know, like I'm a poor person in Massachusetts and it is fun to like plug yourself into the problems of some random rich lady in New York and the escape narrative I not. I mean, I don't love it, but it's like, you know, that's a lot of entertainment. And sure, no one is Captain Marvel, but you can be for two hours. They're they're not. But so I like, I mean, there, I don't like it, but I appreciate it. If this movie come out, I would have given him more nipples, but it came out, like weirdly, way too late. Jennifer Hudson is criminally underused. I really like her and I look forward to our dream Girls episode. Is that I was to keep out for a lot of this movie. Um. And also it's also just a personal slight at the movie. How dare it be two and a half hours long? How dare it truly furious? If all the horrible things that happened in this movie, how long it goes on is by far the most offensive thing. Um. Yeah, we'll never watch it again. But I really do feel that she should have hit him with that bouquet and conclude Jean half nipple, giving it to Lily, who should have had more than two lines of dialogue. Oh boy, I was going to give it three, but now I can't. So I'll give it two nipples because, yeah, I guess you are right two thousand and eight. It's not woke enough for oh eight. Um, but I'm giving the nipples based on nostalgia and just you know, the fun it gave me as a young girl in Indiana trying to watch some sex on cable. Yeah, very good. Well, Megan, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. I can't wait. I can't wait to be back to do sex in the city too. I can't let's do really, I have I have high hopes through that one. Really zero nipples I've got fifty cents. Tell us where people can follow you online? What would you gosh? Listen, I just got my website fixed. Um, but you know what, it was actually fixed by a woman in New York. Um but a white woman, and UM, so you can go there. I don't update it, so just twitter at Megan Gailey m E J N g A, I L E y or gosh. I really don't put that much on there. I feel like Instagram Stories is the new Twitter, and so my Instagram is better. Megan Gailey. There was a Megan Gailey and I taught her the better one incredible. Give it up to Megan one last time. Give it up to the roomy for having us, Give it up to Sammy for recording, for give it up for Jez, give it up to the Ruby. Did I say that one already? Give it up for Caitlin's haircut? O. Yes, thanks for listening. A couple of things. One I wanted to clarify some things I said in the episode that I don't think I articulated as clearly as I wanted to when I was talking about women's emotions and reactions in the movie. I'm all for women expressing emotion, especially rage, because rage is an emotion that women are historically not allowed to show. I will once again recommend so Riyah Shmali's book Rage Becomes Her that goes into much more detail about that very topic. I am also all for women unleashing their rage on men when those men are behaving badly. For this movie, though, I just felt that women's emotions were used as plot devices to add more drama to the story, much the same way that the lead woman in the movie Forty Days and Forty Nights had wild, nonsensical overreactions to everything as a way to move the plot forward. We covered that movie. We talked about that on that episode. Go back to that for more of a discussion about that. I just don't like when that happens in film, where women's emotions and reactions are made to seem extremely over the top as a way to propel the story forward and add more drama to this situation. And that's what I felt happened in Sects in the City. The reactions that they were having at different points in this story just felt to me more like stereotypical hysteria that you sometimes see in flat, underdeveloped female characters. Because according to usually male writers, women be hysterical, so I just wanted to clarify my thoughts on that, so thank you for bearing with me. I also wanted to say thank you to our guest on the show, Megan Gaily. She was awesome. Thanks to the Ruby for having us, Thanks to Sammy for recording the live show. Thanks to everyone who attended the show. We always love having you there and meeting everyone who comes, so thanks once again to all those folks. And please, as per usual, follow us on social media Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, at Bechtel Cast. Please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Check out our Patreon aka Matreon. 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