831: REVENGEANCE

Hey everybody, it's Friday, March fifteenth. Welcome to BombCast Revengeance. I've
decided we're going to take a whole new tone to this show right now.
You know, we watched Mikey Boy beat it right before this on non professional
Friday. You guys are gonna get me in trouble. The community was also
away and beating it in Bulatro. Baby, I'm your host, Jana Choe,
welcome to BombCast Revengeance. Joining me co captain of the ship as always,
He's the constant ace up our sleeve. Jeff Grubb, I love to
watch my friends beat it. The mic kind of got clipped you there.
Yeah, it's all of the best. I think it's probably for the best.
It's probably for the best. We've got our own joker. He's wild.
He fits in every type of suit. He's multiplying all the time.
Mike Manati Alsma. That might be Dad. Yeah, it's me. I'm
good at Pialatro Immortal Kombat Mythologies. That's right, soon to be number seven
on the charts. That's legitimately very impressive. Michael Oh, thank you.
Jan Oh Yeah, that's a word for it. Yeah, and we got
our man on the street. Our man on the field, reporting live from
outside checking out the birds. Dan record, I'll check in right now.
In the last eight and a half minutes, I've been out here, We've
got a blue jay afoot, We've got a harry woodpecker. We've got a
red bellied woodpecker, we got a red winged blackbird. They're all over the
place. I found black capped chickadee, a house finch, and a northern
cardinal are all in the immediate vicinity within the last ten minutes. So we're
gonna keep an eye out here. So you've not heard a house sparrow?
Do you say house sparrow? I think I might have seen one this morning
at like seven o'clock, but I've not identified it. It's not on my
life list yet. No, okay, because they are everywhere in my place.
There's a million house sparrows left and right and center all over the place.
That's the one I get the most of online break breaking news. A
downy woodpecker is said. We do have a hairy woodpecker, a red bellied
woodpecker, and a downy woodpecker around, as well as the pilliated woodpecker,
which is the pterodactyal that keeps attacking my house. But no, the sparrow.
I have not seen a lot of those. Definitely. The one I
have the most is the red winged blackbird that is all over the place.
I'm sewing this app right now, Dan, is this Stockholm syndrome? Are
you having Stockholm syndrome? From the bird attacking your house holding you hostage?
And now you're like getting super into birds as a response to this is what
I did with mortal combat mythology. Yeah, yeah, no one's ever No
one's ever compared Moral combat mythology is sub zero to birdwatch. We're all about
breaking boundary. Here a giant bonds. Yeah, you turn a negative into
a positive. Yes, yes, numerous times a day. My wall is
about to collapse from a giant woodpecker, and my dog's go insane and everything
goes in disarray. But I have a new hobby. Now I'm looking into
backpacks, I'm looking into new binoculars. I got all sorts of stuff going
on. Oh, Dan, are you gonna go as far as to get
like a geely suit so you can hide so the birds can like on come
to you. I've looked at I'm gonna start dressing like a Dudley boy.
So I got like camo going on. Yes, I'm gonna start going like
into the bush. I think there is I keep getting sound. I'm sorry,
what, Mike, He must be watching funny YouTube videos in the background
or something. Penny, tell me more about your going to get to the
bush. All right, I'm gonna go deep into the bush. I'm getting
waterproof gloshes and uh, I'm gonna be protected from the elements. Uh.
You see, I gotta go down there. There's a mallard. I keep
hearing a mallard. I can hear it, and my phone hears it,
and it's down there and all I can see is the ripples. I haven't
made a full visual idea on the mallet yet, so I'm keeping all out
there. Uh. So, my I have the newer iPhone and it has
like the really good zoom lens for iPhones, and I've just been trying to
snipe birds because Scout scares off every single bird in the vicinity as soon as
she hears it. So so I'm gonna have to strategize my my birding do
the sound stuff like I've done the photo. The photo thing works pretty well.
But like I think the sounds it's like live and then you can start
identifying the actual like I I know the song of the red winged blackbird.
Now it's like, oh, I know what that is. There's the mallard
that's this? You know, I like it. You see any snipes yet,
Dan? No No. I went hunting for of in Iowa when I
was a kid, though, and I didn't find any. Get to go,
really, get to go really early in the morning. I go as
far into the woods as you probably. It was like three in the morning,
and I went real far ahead with that bag. I didn't see any.
Keep trying. I think I get it. Gentlemen, Welcome to the
end of the week, and folks, thank you for joining us for another
episode of BombCast Revengeance. We got a couple of games to chat about off
the tippy toppy here. But since we're talking about the bird app Merlin,
right, that's a Merlin, that's all. It is, like a Disney
character, Okay. I would have like several different iterations good one. Uh.
Yesterday during voicemail dumb Truck, when Dan brought up the Merlin app,
I wound up asking about if there was an app to identify mushrooms and shout
out to tickle Bits because Ticklebits suggested Merlin to Dan. They also suggested the
app Seek by Eye Naturalist, and it reminded me I already had that app
on my phone and I was identifying a bunch of plants and stuff yo by
my apartment. I grew up in Daily City, like majority of my life,
but this part of Daily City, there's so many mushrooms that I'm low
key terrified. Are they like things that like have a dog eate him?
Would it be bad for him? I have no idea. Uh, but
some of them are like very large and bulbous and like, I mean a
lot of mushrooms are very phallic looking. But some of them are just like
damn, they look like like like soccer balls sometimes like that size and it's
just big and around. Yeah. Yeah, like one was probably like the
size of like this jar, just like in terms of like going up.
Yeah, I like that they should only look like they do in Mario Brothers.
I hate when I see other kinds of mushrooms. You don't like the
chicken of the woods, like those weird like plinky, the ones that look
like they be platforms in like a wood level of a three D platformer.
Well, those are cool there, like Little Nemo the dream Master. It'd
be like, yeah, I just get more excited when I see one that
looks exactly like I imagine a mushroom looks like in my head, which I
do. Have my yard sometimes, which I've learned is not good. It
means your yard is dead or decrepit. That they used some word to say,
yeah, that only happens because that that yard is bad. I'm like,
okay, well shit, do you see the uh I got the bread
on the tree here? So yeah, I had two places one of yeah,
one bird kabab was taken, the other one is fresh. Also,
I am sitting on the deck that was like red alert on my house inspection.
That is like, dude, to collapse at any minute. So this
could be the funniest possible last podcast I ever. Wait, so wait,
what have you done anything about this information? Nope, that's gonna have to
be next year because I got a retaining wall to I gotta keep my house
from falling into this pond. That's first, and then I'll worry about not
collapsing on this deck. That's what it's retaining. Okay, your whole house,
I'm gonna word you right now. Cannot be a bit where you like
have made a video of your deck falling down by pretend and I have a
hard I have my lines and we're crossing them to it's faking my own death.
That's okay, noble line. Yeah, that's not fake that you broke
that story today. I did always, for years and years, hope that
Andy Kaufman was pulling like a super elaborate thing. Of course I hoped for
that, you know, I was always hoping the same, but for Eddie
Guerrero. But like that dude's like dead dead. I was listening to listen
to Deadlock and James, one of the hosts, went to the Roy Rumble
this year, but he doesn't watch the product, so he doesn't know that
the l wo's music starts with Viva Larasa and so, and he couldn't see
the screen from where he was sitting, so he just heard that music during
the rumble and he's like, what what are they do? Eddie coming out
maybe a smidge lower on that game thing, by the way, damn yeah,
way, Jura says, just chiming in. This would not be a
workplace injury. Thanks, I'm m hm, and they demand that you bird
while podcasting. He did, he did. I've got the paper trail.
No playing games here because we played games before this podcast. We're going to
talk about them now. I'm thinking about getting an electric guitar to uh well
live play the transition music. Great, yeah, might go there, he
goes. It doesn't quite match the vibe I was looking for, but it's
it's he's got the electric guitar of faces. There we go. Actually I
like that. Oh yeah yeah, and then we'll get like a tumbleweed rolling
through. I have to admit I was still playing Blattro while the podcast was
happening. But to be clear, I made a booboo because I was playing
Blattro all the podcast is happening. I'm on Anti seven, about to actually
be therem getting one hundred thousand like every two hands h And I wasn't looking
because I was talking to you guys. And I did the thing where I
swapped out all of my jokers for one like polychrome Joker or something like that.
Everything point five. That's good. Yeah, And I just watch all
my jokers disappear. So I've been punished cosmically for this, so don't worry,
buddy, quick. The first rare bird I've seen there is a purple
finch in the area and also a dark eyed junko. Whoa the dark eyed
junk the chunk house in your yard? Wait, does it really rank them
by rarity? Yeah, you get a red dot next one if it's rare.
Oh, the dark eyed junko is cute. No, dark eyed juno
is kindness, But yeah, that is. The purple finch is the rare
one that's around here right now. Yeah, but I'd rather have a junko
scene. Amount of birds around you, Dan, there's a lot of birds.
Yeah, I have been playing or I started playing again. Prince of
Persia The Lost Crown. Hey, uh we chatted yesterday on Game of Mornings
about the DLC dropping for that, like you know, like maybe is it
a waiting for that to drop. I'll just try and like jump back in
and beat it. And let me tell you, I completely forgot how celeste
esque some of the platforming Crown segments are. And just like Jesus Christ,
I feel so alive whenever I'm not touching the ground, and like you just
get through the whole level it's oh my god, yep, that's it's like
the Bilatra thing where you make the mistake where you set the fake version of
yourself and then you like go to work back, or like you go to
set one and you forgot that you set one before and then you warp way
back to the beginning of the whole jumping sequence, like that screwed me up
a bunch. Is the DLC, Like, is it addition to like single
player stuff? So, yes, a single player there's going to be a
series of updates. There will be some like stuff that's like, oh,
here's a challenge pack of different things of like the platforming challenges or the combat
Challengrush Boss Rush. But there is going to be a story DLC at the
end of this. So there's gonna be some free updates, and then a
little bit later there's going to be full on story addition to the game that
is a full on expansion standalone like new areas or is it like baked into
ther I don't think we know that yet. Yeah, okay, yeah,
but it turns out that photo map system still plays really well when you're revisiting
the game, like a couple of months later, and like Okay, I'm
kind of parsing together where I was supposed to be going, what I was
doing, or what was at least important to me and Jesus Christ y'all.
It's just it just controls so well, like the level of air control,
and then uh, like the maneuverability in like being able to pivot but also
just do that like somersault back and then like dashing forward. The movement is
great, and like the combat I I wound up trying to switch it up,
and instead of just going full melee, I did the thing dan where
you shoot you kind of like charge the boat, so you shoot at the
boomerang. And then I upgraded that a bit. And then I didn't realize
how handy that donut would be. Wait, I'm trying to remember, can
you warp yourself to that to the boomerang thing? Yeah? Totally, Yeah,
that is an upgrade. I might not have that ability yet, but
that okay, well I know what I'm doing what I was saying, Okay,
yeah, oh yeah, that's what I thought. What donut are you
talking about? Oh no, no, you're charging up the boat. Oh
oh okay, got a hole in it? I'm sorry? What nothing I'm
sorry. Look, I can't help it now, Okay, you guys just
keep screaming from about beating it and going into bushes. Now, my mind's
in a dirty place. I'm sorry, Mikey. I don't know video games
and birds. Mike. Yeah, it's really excited for Stowar Blade so that
the revolution can finally, the revolution is here, everybody, the revolution of
butts in video games. I can't. I can't. Like Yo, people
need to fucking they need to cut everyone's ethernet Court Jane. Sounds like you're
not part of the revolution. You want to be left behind, buddy,
Listen. It's been well documented. I enjoy rear ends and very thick thighs.
I the way that some people be going about this like y'all should be
kinkshamed. Yeah, they have not been bullied enough. Absolutely, y'all have
not been bullied enough. Maybe I don't advocate for bullying or physical violence,
but maybe you should just get like shoved into a pile of leaves or something.
Yeah, just gently wedgied. Yeah, yeah, just like a like
like a pat on the back that's a little too hard, that makes you
spill your drink. One of those so that's where we'll draw the line.
That's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've also been playing
and I also played with Grub and Mike yesterday the Star Wars Battlefront collection.
If I remember correctly, at least Grub, you had not really played it
as much back then. I didn't play it. I checked it out a
couple times in the past, to the point where I would say, mostly
I've never really played it. Okay, and Jan were you of the age
where it's it was just the holy grail of gaming because it seems to be
like a very brief window of age where they obsess over Battlefront. So I
mentioned yesterday, I remember checking out the first one in the collection a little
bit. I don't think I ever went online from my recollection. I am
curious about it because I like Star Wars stuff and I like fun like PS
two era multiplayer stuff. Is this Does it hold up for someone who doesn't
have nostalgia for it fun? Yeah? If you you know, you're like
you're like me, you just like games from this era generally it's fun.
The campaign stuff is actually surprisingly good. That might be what you really want
to check out. I think that it is like bot matches, but it's
presented very well bought matches, there's good dressing around that stuff. But I
was surprised how much those newer Batfront games actually are still like this. I
mean, you know, this collection itself is not doing much work. It's
not even a remaster really. It really is just kind of like ports with
some things like okay, yeah you can do it at like widescreen and window
mode and whatnot. I think they missed a trick not doing more with it,
because these games do mean so much to so many people. Yeah,
I had a fun time. I don't I still want to put in on
like my Mount Rushmore Star Wars games, or even my Mount Rushmore of like
PS two Xbox era Star Wars games. But I was having a good time.
Let me look, you like, let me be like a Stormtrooper and
then I'm and I'm running around hath and you play the Star Wars theme like
it's gonna do something to me. I am that simple. That is an
amazing superpower those games have. It's just like you just use the soundtrack and
it makes everything seem more exciting and past. I mean, I did enjoy
being on those menus more than playing the game. Sure, well, I
mean, that's the thing about Star Wars is like the sound editing really is
like almost eighty percent of it, just the sound effects and the music.
And if you get that stuff right in the video games, you are going
to have a really good time most of the time. Yeah, speaking of
licensed games, you, Jeff, you and Tam were just laying into Jurassic
Park games say that they're never been good ones. I'm not gonna let this
Jurassic Park tradition slander slot. Wait, was Rampage Edition an update on the
Genesis game? I had the Genesis game reason be Grant and the Raptor.
That's the messed up thing. Ramp Page Edition a full on sequel that they
just called a ramp Page Edition for some reason. That's a bad idea,
that's weird. I only original. I don't think I ever even thought about
getting Rampaged. It's much better. It's similar, but much better. Yeah,
play Rampage Edition. Fun. Also the those Evolution games, the Park
sims. I thought, yeah, that's what I said. I tried to
be like, I couldn't remember they called I've never played it, but I
thought people like you did bring up the three D O game that I had
and loved for being real freaking weird. Steph likes that a lot. My
wife really enjoys that dressing Park game. So it was gonna do Trespasser and
have to cosplay as mini driver with a heart on their view, it'd be
great. That game's not like super easy to just play. It was just
an old PC game, but we had with the dossbox in probably working.
We made it like like ten years ago. We had a striker put it
together, a game in form and we had it running. All right,
we can get it going then, okay, okay. But overall though Battlefront
is it is kind of what I was hoping for, an easy way to
get in there and check these games out, and that stuff works in our
scenario where we were playing, like a Sean set up a room, we
went in there. We had no issues. A lot of people are running
into bugs and connection issues trying to do things like the matchmaking that doesn't really
work well, I guess, But in my experience, I got in there,
played a couple of these matches. You know, we've played for quite
a while. Yeah. I thought the maps were really well done. I
thought the heroes were like it was always fun to kind of play as Darth
Maul or jingle Fed or whatever, and I'm I'm really glad that they do
the thing where it's it's all of Star Wars at that at that time,
so it was the prequel trilogy, trilogy and the sequel trilogy. I was
like, okay with games or like, we're just gonna be prequel trilogy.
Sorry, yeah, pregel trilogy and original original trilogy. I was okay with
Games. They're like, we're just the prequel trilogy. That's that's what's coming
out right now. But I was always going to miss the original trilogy stuff.
So seeing this game be like, no, it's everything, it does
feel like the like the the er Star Wars game. It's just all in
there, and I like that part of it. That sounds like a good
future revengetion topic is the Mount Rushmore of Star Wars games? Yeah, yeah,
I think Jeritely do something like that on our own one time. But
it would be fun to like get more people and involved. But that although
maybe we have to make sure we get Jan playing Kodetur first. I'm sort
of invested in that idea because yeah, I'm still trying to figure out where
where we could squeeze that in into the weekly schedule, I mean Monday's.
Like things are going to start slowing down here, I think for the release
schedule as we actually get in the summer Dragons Dogma. So maybe maybe we
could start figuring out more time in the schedule for stuff like that, because
there's a couple other things that you know, I wanted to check out.
I want to play Mother this year, or you know, Mother three of
Mommy, so I want to play Mommy, Okay, all right, uh
yeah. I think my only qualms with it is that like, oh wow,
this this is this just looks like the PS two game. Huh uh,
and then playing it with mess and keyboard. Maybe I should have switched
to a controller to play this game instead. But I think I suffered from
the thing of what Dan was alluding to at the beginning of like this being
lauded as like the best Star Wars game of this generation, and then with
all the modern sensibilities that I've like absorbed of, like oh, okay,
this is this right, it is what it is, I mean, and
Mike's ray it's very familiar after playing the Battlefront for the modern Battlefront games,
turns out they were just trying to recreate what people liked in those games.
Uh, but through the winds of dice in Battlefield. So yeah, it
was more more familiar than I was expecting it to be. It's funny we're
talking about like, you know, Battlefront being you know for a certain age,
being like such a huge deal. Do any of you like, I
was just thinking, like, is there a game that I hold an extremely
high regard that when I look back objectively, I probably like for me,
I was thinking Twist the Metal two, just because you were at the exact
right age, because I put Twist the Metal two up there with my favorite
games of all time. But if I look back objectively, it's you know,
it's it's very good for what it is, but like to me,
it's like an old timer, Like did you have another one that was like
I'm I'm stubborn, and uh, it's it's very hard for me. That's
a doctor bottom of PC so he was playing instead. Yeah, Well,
I'm just saying like it's hard for me to look at any of the games
that I love as a kid and being like I see why this is aged
badly. I'm just like, no, this is still great. This makes
me happy. I'm gonna look at my top under game and see what I
think it's like the most aged. But my joking answer is to say the
Bouncer. But I recognize and realize that that is not the best game.
But no people have have criticized my love for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance over War
of the Lions. I'm with you one hundred percent. Yes, yes see
because I am also with you. Yes, I actually enjoy the judge system.
I know a lot of people hated it, but I don't know that's
cool. Let me throw better now, let me throw this out. And
I can't believe this has never once come up as an idea. I think
in the like ten years ago I started the Giant Bomb, not once has
it come up. Should we at some point endeavor to get everyone on a
series of podcasts and determine the topundred games of all time, like Giant Bombs
top one hundred games of all time? Yes, it's definitely something I've always
had in the back of my mind. Is like when we're doing live shows,
when we're doing stuff like that, if we want to do a yes,
I think it's a series. I don't think we like a live show,
you've got it, Like I said back of the head of like a
possible idea. I always thought like, no, that'd be too troublesome,
too bit like I think we could do like a game of the generation for
a live show, but if we're doing our top one hundred, that a
series. Yes. For the second game in form of work done was issue
two hundred and so like one of the first ones that I was like in
the meetings for was the two hundred games, the top two hundred games of
all time, and that is a gaunt like we didn't record any of but
obviously, but like it is such a conversation if you get a bunch of
different people with different opinions and riding down a ranked top two hundred of all
time. I think even just doing like one hundred would be amazing with us,
how are we? I would like, how would you go about determining
it? Dan? Is it just kind of like fervor and argumentative or that's
what's toughest, because I think we landed on the legend of Zelda was number
one, and then like ten, Triss and Mario brothers were two and three,
and so that was very much like importance type thing, because you have
to set those parameters. You have to set the like is it based on
how good they are to play today? Is based on historical importance? Is
it based on how good it was at the time? So, like,
I think we would have to set those parameters very clearly and be strict to
them, Like like, is it the top hundred games to play right now?
The top hundred most important games of all time? Is it Giant Bomb's
favorite hundred games of all time? Like, we got to figure that out.
There's so many different ways that it can go, and like you know,
it's always like like somebody like me, Like I'll mention a lot of
older games. Imagine like somebody, it'll be like, oh, that's really
age and then it's like, well it's to me. It's like, well,
what do I do with that? Because it has an age to me?
So it's fine, So what am I How do I argue that it
hasn't aged compared to it has age? Right? Somebody that's subjective? Do
you choose your favorite child when it comes to like I would assume that tam
would present several souls games, right, So do you just take the best
six Mario games on there. Gonna think most of them should be on there,
multiple Souls games, but like there will be a certain player like all
right, not a six game. I mean I would have probably at least
fifteen games with Mario and the title in like eight probably. Yeah. Yep,
oh man, this sounds fun. I already I am feeling tense thinking
about it. I mean it's like I think the idea for this would be,
uh, like bomb cast Revengeance episodes over the summer, like when things
start starting as much going on. Yeah, we do like an hour a
week for like a month and see where we're at. Yeah, and we
whittle for however long the episode is, and then we leave it there we
pick up next week. You know what would be fun is if we had
different casts for those different BCR episodes, so like a different group is kind
of determining what they're going to bring up. Yeah, but you guys are
just gonna like take all of mine off and like call it up. No
no, no, and then ye like maybe we all get to like uh
with those different groups, we get to like fifty. So then like we
see where like the vent diagram is where we miss mosh, Well, what
if it what if every group does bring in at least one hundred games and
then we have to start cutting from there and Eurovision style one hundred Eurovision with
this guy so he never shuts up about it. Everybody. I think there'll
be a lot of games is like one point a lot of ties, man.
I think I would probably nominate an obscene amount of GBA games that no
one's heard of, except maybe like Nicky and Sean GBA. I've heard of
all your weird GBA games. GBA. My favorite well, okay, maybe
not. My favorite console I think is the GBA. Wow, we could
we should do like the site's favorite console as well? Yep, I feel
like a GameCube actually thinking about Backlar's too, Like it might be the GameCube?
Yep? Did it for sist of that only sold like twenty five million
consoles or whatever it was? Bloy is it? Belove it now? The
other game I have listed here on the rundown is Mario Golf. Hey you're
playing? I thought you were playing. You're not excited? Yeah, it's
me playing. Talked you about it last night. I thought you can talk.
It'll be so nice. My friends can play with thee Yeah exactly.
Friends over here, No, this is yeah. I'm playing the the ns
O game Boy Color release of Mario Golf. I've been playing Persona three reload
on my roger ally every night as my kind of bed game, and I've
been having a lot of fun that I'm very deep into it, but it
was like I could use a bit of a break, and boy, I
do want to play Mario Golf, you know, because these are the games
that have the fun RPG style story mode. But more important than that,
it's just perfect golf mechanics. It's not too complicated, it has everything you
need. And what's hilarious is like, especially playing that story mode, and
like, even like being quite a bit into it, there's no Mario.
There's there's nothing about it that makes it Mario. It's not like when you're
playing like one of the new ones and there's mushrooms and like flooding blocks that
Lacketsuo's everywhere for a good while. It's just kind of a very straightforward,
normal golf game, and I love that about it. I don't know why
I have never like, I love golf games. I love Tiger, I
love hotshots, everybody's golf all that stuff. But like, despite my love
of Mario and even like Mario Sports Games. That is the one series I've
never like really spent a lot of time with, like Totsal Tour or any
of the RPG ones. Like I've never really gone into them. And I
love I love Mario. Okay, I just I don't think I've given the
time to any of them. And I don't know why. Uh. I
mean, this one's on NSL. It's worth checking out right now. I
could. You would enjoy it. Yeah, the game one color color and
then the three DS one is probably the other like really good one. But
that's when it had online functional and you can do these awesome tournaments and stuff.
Man, that was so good. Huh. That's great, even though
it's like, yeah, I say, like RPG story mode, it's not
like bow Down in that much or dialogue. It's just like you have a
character, you walk around like a clubhouse and you have to like walk to
the course to start the match, and you you know, when you do
well, you get to like level up your drive. Yeah, you get
experience points to make your golfer a better golfer. And that I mean a
lot of that stuff is in like modern golf games now, but this is
just like makes it feel like a fun little adventure, and it's all about
the golfing. It's not about a bunch of like nonsense that distracts from the
golfing. It's like, no, this is still very much a golf game.
They nailed it right away with that, so thats for fun. We're
super upset with that last Mario Golf time. Among other reasons, that's the
main reason is that they're they always these days talk about, hey, there's
a new Mario Sports game, and this one's going to have a single player
game you're going to care about. It's going back to the thing that you
used to used to like. And we play it and it's like, no,
this is also pretty terrible. It doesn't get at the RPG stuff at
all. And then it's actually just these bizarre, annoying, weird mini games
like linked together one after the other. Right, And then I got some
incoming opinions here real quick from Alex Yellow is apparently watching, and he says,
play Mario Golf on the analog. It's amazing and a perfect for it.
Don't do it on switch. It's perfect on analog, says Alex bone
Yellow. That's that's fair too. Yeah, sure, I'm just lazy.
I'm gonna play it on my switch. It's great. I was playing on
the pocket anyway. I just play and the game Boy Advance Mario Golf is
also the same, people, It's Camelot. It's an RBG also also very
good. Yes, it has good Would you say, like, if I
like the look of game Boy Advance games better, should I just go to
the If you're more game Boy Advance brained, I just go straight to the
game Boy Advance one then okay vance stor it's called right, Yeah, I
think I would check out the game Boy Color one still first, and then
if you're like, oh, I would enjoy this better if I was on
game Boy Advance, then then go at that point, I just have such
I hold such a torch for those game Boy Color games, you know.
I I acquire that analog pocket off of Alex Bone Yellow, and I haven't
really fired it up. Like, folks, send some recommendation away for some
Mario GBA games. Warware, okay, Warrior Way three on there, get
the Astro Get the Astro Boy game. Yeah, that's a great game.
That's a hot title. You're already good on Tactics advance. Yeah, you
got castle Vania's are incredible. I was. I was pleasantly surprised when I
checked that stuntman on your pocket. The street is amazing. I'm looking at
me. Driving are kind of crazy on there. Yeah, it's pretty good.
There was a popular fire pro that came out at launch. M hm,
the fire Pro. Well, that actually takes us. You boys want
to take quick breaking break? Sure? Yep? All right? Pretty goodbye
forever, and then we'll be back with the hot topic of this week,
which is wrestling games. Dan, do we have any bird updates? Oh
my god, I just went inside and I stopped the app. I'm so
sorry. I am off my game. Wow, let's see who do think
it's gonna pop up? First, I'm gonna start recording. I bet Harry
Woodpecker. Okay, I'm doing We don't actually don't have to be quiet.
It can't hear us. I would appreciate it. It's a red wing blackbird.
I think I said red ye. It's the okay, folks. This
week's hot topic is the Wrestling Game Hall of Fame, Mount Rushmore, whatever
you want to call it. But before we get to that, before we
get to that I have some urgent news, some semi breaking news. I
don't know if you'll saw this, but Twitch is going to get rid of
the watch along feature. Oh I'm very aware. Yes, Oh they are.
I mean I knew. I knew it was doomed. That's the thing
is, like I used it all the fucking time and it was so much
fun. I love it. And then I would look around, I'd be
like, no one's talking about this, no one's doing it, and I've
been waiting for this to happen. I knew it was gonna happen. But
it's April second. I'm gonna do water World to water World get a pop
because well, because I associate with the theme park stage show of course.
Yeah. Well I'm gonna try to get a few in before it goes away
because it really is one of my favorite things. And uh on Twitch and
it sucks. I wish more people use it. It's it seems like a
no brainer too. Amazon owns all these movies. They're trying to push Prime,
They're trying to incorporate the switch, Like made a lot of sense.
There's ways to like fudget and I might I might try to do that in
the future. And because there's like ways of where you can like sink things
at using chrome extensions and stuff. I don't know. I think a lot
about that guy in the water World. He's just like some really salty,
crusted old guy on the bad guy ship who like works in the boiler or
something. And then like at the end of the movie, like a bomb
drops into his room and he looks at it and he just goes, oh,
thank God before it kills him, and every he's so relieved that his
pathetic likes about that. I think about him constantly, but I bring it
up because maybe we should do a net one more time, one last time.
Yeah, the last song title the last, but we would have to
drag someone in that hasn't seen it. Of course we can find or now
Blar has seen it. No no, no, nol seen it, but
I want to hear him be grumpy about it as we watch it. That's
right, he can be on but we also need to have people that have
not seen it. We can find some people has Ben's Oh, I don't
know, if Hanson has seen it. I should have. We should do
it during the day. I'll have Hanson come over and have him watched with
us in person with me. That'd be great. That'd be fantastic that my
next last stand on giant bomb dot com. Everybody, he'sn't as many people
as we can as well. Yeah, god, you'll look at an event
maybe the last time anybody ever watches a net watch. Lungs have not worked
on my phone for months. That's how I knew this was gonna happen.
Every time I h every time I try to look apps phone, Yes,
it would break the app on my phone. And it was like, I'm
like, oh, okay, well we'll fix this. And then I tried
it again like two weeks or later, and it didn't work. And now
it's been months later, I'm like, yeah, they're they're not supporting this
anymore. That's a that's a shame. Let's just get okay, none of
us are on it. We just get backl Our's dad. Yeah so yeah,
sweet Lou totally. Yeah. Yeah, we just give him a microphone,
set them a twenty year old butt light. Fantastic, fantas just gonna
be happy. It just sounds like a night for him, folks. I
have a document in front of me ready to add titles to the wrestling game
Hall of Fame, and earlier today on Game This Morning's Tam fervently brought up
two titles that he thinks should be added. Now. I was going to
back them up, but then Dan immediately chimed in and said they don't count.
Those two games were deaf Jam Vendetta and then Deaf Jam Fight for New
York. Listen, these are both great games. I will not for smirch
the good name of the deaf Jam games. They're hilarious, they are fun,
they're on that Aki engine. It is a glimpse into what could have
been if if Aki kept making actual wrestling games. But they're not wrestling games,
so you could maybe make more of an argument for Bendetta. There's a
ring Fight for New York. You're just fighting and like you know, they're
all backstage of soult type things. Uh I wrestling game, I think it
needs to be. I think it needs to be a licensed to shoot wrestling
game. Hmm, what I mean that could be what we're doing here.
I mean, I'm okay if we're deciding that's what we're doing here. But
if it's like a game like with wrestling in it, I think def Jam
probably does because it might be a line because like, like there's that game
on the GameCube based on that Pure wrestling show that Jeff likes. What is
that? Yeah, Muscle, yeah, Muscle, Yes, I mean is
a wrestling game. So I guess we got to side right now? Is
it Does it have to be licensed w W, f ww E, CW
or can it be anything with ring That wouldn't I mean, Fire Pro Wrestling
wouldn't fall under that, So I don't think it's true. And Fire Pro
is pro straight up for wrestling on Saturday Masters, Like, yeah, yeah,
maybe not that strict. How about this? How about this that the
action has to primarily take place in a ring? Yeah, I'm okay with
that. Simpsons Wrestling counts all right, Okay, it counts and def jam
vendettas at least? Yeah, okay, is in New York? Fair enough?
Fair enough? Yeah? Okay, okay, okay. So whenever we're
doing Mount Rushmore Act, I try to figure out, like, who's the
Washington Uh, how do you feel about pro pro wrestling for the ne s?
Yeah, it's fine, it's fine, right, yeah. Yeah.
A lot of these, like a lot of these six or eight bit and
sixteen bit wrestling games like some of them would be surprisely good or decent for
the time, and then a lot of them were just completely wacky or wonky
and really like always a disappointment. I mean the ones I started with were
raw and raw rumble on the Genesis and Super and like there's gonna be nowhere
near the Mount rushmore like they sucked right now. Yeah, there's like there's
one on the Super Tity like what royal rumble? It's not bad. And
then you have you know, the Midway made arcade game, which is wrestlem
aning of the arcade game. Is that's what you're talking about? Well,
yes, and then that and in your house. They were both arcade and
PlayStation one early PlayStation one, and there were sixteen versions. Yeah, I
don't make it all right. So then the George Washington is WWF no Mercy.
I think it's no mercy. Yeah, so okay, and I guess
my question is, is no mercy sort of just represent all of those N
sixty four hockey games we well, I mean they're also like this, there's
only four spots here about that no mercy. Okay, then let's say one
w F one, so it'll be no mercy instead. Of wrestlmating A two
thousand. But I think World Tour in Revenge could be a different thing,
even though they play the same. Yes, and I trust me like they
like to me. Yeahs ISNW Revenge and No Mercy. They are like big
pinnacles. But again, there's four spots here, and there's like half of
them gone in these very similar games might get boiled down to just one of
them being on there, and it might just be an over right. I
think there are other ones that have to be kind of bolded pretty early on
here I think on Here Comes the Pain, I think Here Comes the Pain
has a legitimate chance of being on the Mount Rush Moore, Yes, I
think so too, But may I pause it that I think the SmackDown series,
actually it went on for a while longer, and I think it really
peaked with SmackDown versus Raw two thousand and six. The last this was right
when I this is when kind of all the best features were there before it
sort of God became bloated when it went to the three sixty era and they
started just kind of throwing crap in here. This is also just like such
a peak time you have Sena and Batisa on the cover. It was really
when it was rebounding pretty big into that ruthless aggression era. There's a personal
bias here. This was the wrestling game that got me back into wrestling.
My buddy just brought this over and it had amazing creative features. I think
it was the first one with like a really robust create an entrance. But
this is my no mercy in a lot of ways. I mean, but
there definitely be a SmackDown representation. I think Here Comes the Pain had create
an entrance, I think, but it definitely had I think a create a
move thing. See that's the thing. I once you start all the years
where I wasn't really watching wrestling, which is basically like two until nine,
it all kind of blends together. And I know I was reviewing these games
during the time, but I forget which ones. Like one of them would
do a creative finisher and you could make it like ten fast motion kicks to
the balls and then a stunner or whatever, and some had like a crazy
creative entrance. But it all kind of like, I don't know what your
SBR it is. It's hard to kind of narrow that down. I just
know Here Comes the pain despite me not watching at the time, like that
game was incredible. I mean I think, yeah, here comes the Space
one. I remember pretty well. You're right, it's a bunch of mutch
for SmackDown versus Raw. I would have said, I think two thousand and
seven because that's when they had analog controls for the first time, and I
remember that like checking that out and being like, oh, they actually this
works a litle bit better. But if you guess, I don't think I
played two thousand and six, the ANA controls went a little far from me,
like they put it in everything and clean a worst submission system, like
sure at six, I think it was the last one, just like,
yeah, mash buttons for submissions, and then for ever after that they were
trying to figure something else out and then they're like, this went back,
I just mash buttons. Actually that yeah, I kind of like how to
do it now where it's like you are mashing buttons, but it'll do the
like switching the like X circle triangle and it'll kind of tug of war back
and forth, Like I like the way to do it they do it now.
I would say it go ahead, Damn no, I was gonna say
real quick, I think in the last at least ten years, I think
the only one worth considering is maybe the most recent one, and even I
don't think that makes it. I don't think two K twenty four makes it
on the mount rushmore. But I think we can almost discount the last ten
years. Yeah, yeah, I don't remember anything, any notable thing other
than I mean, standing there for like minutes thirty years of WrestleMania in WW
two K fourteen, But I think that's sort of deflated by them them doing
forty years of WrestleMania in this new one. And I just don't think that
fondly of two K fourteen for that reason. And I do think two K
twenty four does that all better than two K fourteen, but I also exactly
it has gotten better, but I still don't think, yeah, anything like
I'm trying to think like twelve. They made a big deal out of revamping
the engine and everything with twelve, and I think that's when I really started
hating the wrestling games, is because like it just felt too like they're trying
to be too semi It's just everyone's going through molasses all the time. A
lot of watching moves play out wacky collision stuff. So I think I'm trying
to think the last time I really was I think the PS two era might
have been the last time it was just like, yeah, these games kick
ass. So I was gonna ask if this counts still is in a ring
and it is licensed, WW all Stars, it counts, I don't think.
I mean, it's here's the thing. I reviewed that and I was
very excited about that game because it was like I was watching at the time,
I wanted an arcade alternative to the more sim focused thing. It seemed
like they were absolutely going that route. But they're just there's not the content
there. There is not like the actual like action and everything is pretty good,
but there's like the story mode things or whatever are just like a couple
of stupid ladders. There's just the content's not there to play beyond. Like
I reviewed it and I was just done with it, you know. I
think you have to have more of a like you know, even back with
no Mercy and stuff like that, like a real career mode and creation modes
and stuff like that. And All Stars was paper thin. It was like
basically two K Battlegrounds level almost of Thinness. That's telling yeah, it definitely.
I like All Stars a lot. It was a ton of fun.
I am kind of surprised as the point, and we never got an All
Stars too that did sort of yeah bump up, yeah yeah. How do
you feel Dan about the GameCube games sort of culminating in a Day of Reckoning
two here? So that's the key bler one these on hand, Mike,
I was prepared. I have been meaning recently to go back to that because
you know, I love the Deadlock boys and they speak so they they are
the ones that like they could tell you, oh sbr this did this and
this did this, and like the rosters for that, this is what they
do. They're like wrestling game YouTubers. And the way they talk about Day
of Reckoning on the podcast is like they hold it up there with with the
greats. So like, I feel like I have not put enough time in
a Day of Reckoning. And that was an interesting time where PlayStation had SmackDown,
GameCube had Day of Reckoning, and Raw was on Xbox. I owned
Raw, and I remember the thing I liked about that was that you could
like just hold a trigger and run and like free run and whatever direction and
like in the past it was like eight way, you know, like the
Achi engine, just like run forward, down, up, diagonally or whatever.
And being able to run just freely was cool. But that's to say
that day of reckoning I need to play more of I could see it being
a shot at the Mountain Rushmore, but I don't know how much we have
played it. So uh jan uh. One of my big blind spots when
it comes to wrestling games is the entirety of the Fire Pro series M and
I feel like the audience is clamoring for some fire Pro talk and I can't
rightfully. I mean, the one I remember I went back and looked at
this several years ago it was fire Pro Wrestling Returns because I got curious about
the series and was this is the one that always came up as, Oh,
this is the big one. And when I went back to it,
I mostly I watched a lot of YouTube videos and then I played some of
it. The thing that stands out is they have the two D visuals,
and something about the way that things animate and the way the wrestling works is
like really it just snaps into place in a way that I really enjoyed.
And then it has the super super robust, create a wrestler features, creative
match features where you can just do anything, and they had that sense.
The game was you know, on PS two in North America for the first
time with Fire Pro Wrestling Returns. It is I think the wrestling game you
think of outside of the WWE and WCW games first is Fire Pro Wrestling,
and I think this is the right Fire Pro Wrestling. I think that's right.
I mean, I remember playing this one the PS two in Returns when
it came out, and what I loved was that it is so different from
all the WD beams that were used to It is so much grapple focus,
right, and you know, because it is sprite, the creative character stuff
can sort of just do more. Right. It's way easier to swap in
and out different face sprites than three D models, so you can just put
everybody in there. It already comes with a giant roster, right, and
sometimes it's just straight up you know Japanese wrestlers, or they're kind of being
cheeky like, oh that's okay, that's obviously supposed to be Halkogan or things
like that. It's an important pillar we're still making these. I think that
there should be fire Pro representation. I have played a fire program. Yeah
we should. We should fire that up, Yeah we should. We should
have a wrestling stream. And there's a curve. There's a difficulty curve.
Right. I probably got hands on it, like when I was working at
funk Land and then GBA one came out, But I think something about it
not being licensed and not having a roster I knew, and then also the
isometric perspective. I think I was like, Okay, people seem to like
this a lot, but like I just I never really play. Yeah,
that's the same exact case for me. Dan. I just did not enjoy
the look of it, but I understand that it's all a very important place
in history. Alex Navara really likes the Fire pros right, yes, yes,
definitely any other nominations. Ultimate Muscle, Yes, so, I mean,
listen, I love Ultimate Muscle, especially the one for GameCube Ultimate Ultimate
Muscle Legends versus New Generation. It is an acky wrestling game. It's fantastic,
The action is great, the characters are a really good time. There's
like light creative wrestler features. Mostly you're just taking parts and piecing them together,
like the head, the body, of the legs, so that's not
super robust. But I think that it's just a really fun party game on
the GameCube with cool wrestling anime characters. And then you go look at that
show, and that show is actually pretty good too. But I don't think
it is a necessarily Mount rushmore worthy because I don't think it's necessarily influential or
the kind of thing that people think of when they think of wrestling games.
First, it's just oh, that's a good deep cut, a good hidden
gym in the wrestling game genre. Let me float a question here. I'm
curious what you think about it because we talked about the Achi games and just
having won, but so much of a wrestling game is playing as the wrestlers
you like and hearing their music and you've got the sets and everything. And
No Mercy very much had that. Like two thousand and one WWF, you
know, like Crazy Roster, you know, played the best out of all
the Achy games. But Revenge, when that came out, that was like
the height of like WCW and like it was just before it all kind of
jumped the shark, you know, it was in all the different factions and
everything broken down. Here's the wolf Pack here was like really cool versions of
all these characters, you know, and all these there. You could be
wolf Packsting, you could be Surfacing, you could be crow Sting had Ravens
Flock, had all these different factions height of WCW type stuff. I put
Revenge right up there with No Mercy. Yeah, as I'm kind of looking
at it, I think there may be is just a world where we do
have both No Mercy and Revenge that they are just both so important and they
are kind of like two different sides of the same coin. Of course they're
very similar, but even that sort of reflects what was so fun about wrestling
at that time that it was, you know, the Monday Night Wars.
We did have these two companies that were obviously very similar but very different.
I definitely could see how it's just aligned both of them in there. Especially,
you know, I'm running, I'm trying to think, like what else
would even be up for consideration this point. Saturday Night slam Masters is fun,
but you know, I don't know if I'm going to put it up
there. It's like an all times of wrestling game. So the conundrum I'm
in is I desperately want to nominate def Jam Vendetta because I think it does
a lot of interesting things in terms of controlling and I feel like it has
legitimately held up in terms of how it plays and how it's presented. It
also does a lot of stuff differently when it comes to the world of wrestling,
because it presents like how wrestling would be viewed in like a hip hop
street urban atmosphere. And I think it's really sick that you could suplex ludicrous
to the ground in it. But the problem is, I think Fight for
New York is such a superior game that, in my head, Vendetta is
just lacking in yeah, right, you know all the terms where I feel
like a wrestling game should be measured, and Fight for New York we disqualified
it under these specific set of rules, but we maybe could be a little
bit less strict with that. I do think that if we did get that
gym in there, because against it's Aki, It's like, okay, well,
at that point we can't have we can't have no mercy and revenge a
too Achi limit. Well, but then like if we were to include it
Fight for New York, I think is that is Fight for New York Another
achy Joint. You know, Vendetta is the third one. Weird, Yeah
you icon? We don't think of an icon. Icon was the first time
I have ever gotten legitimately very upset with a game and asked my mom to
turn around and can we go back to game spot so I can turn a
game. Yeah, you had like time it with like the speakers and the
beats and stuff. Yet what about what about w WE Crush Shower? It's
kind of disqualified. You say how much you like twist and Metal. Look
you can get rented for seven days. Apparently this stinger says, I am
so happy that game exists. It is a hilarious curiosity Jim Ross yelling about
Undertaker getting the twisty rockets and all that. I didn't play it much when
it came out, and I've gone back to it, and it's just kind
of a funny novelty I think. I don't think it's a great car combat
game, but it's it's so stupid seeing like, okay, what kind of
car would Binoah drive? What kind of car would this guy drive? And
like it's like, oh, okay, I guess yeah. I love the
lare of it. Where Vis McMahon had bought like every TV station, so
he's just desperate for content, so he just Kane has a cooking channel.
Yeah, of course, and that would come true later with the w W
network where all those shows were actually happening. Yeah, I U. I
think this list is probably gonna end up looking pretty close to WWF No Mercy,
w C wh what was the one you said? Revenge and revenge and
yes, here comes to the pain, and then here comes the pain,
and then I think probably flare Our Pro Wrestling returns. So I take it
my SmackDown versus Raw two thousand and six. Over Here comes the Pain.
Speech didn't move anybody, which did it? Did? It's just like it's
what are we knocked Down? It's about Rushmore and it is definitely the more
iconic of the Spato gase. It's important for a SmackDown game to be on
there. Yeah, that's really my point. I guess right. Yeah,
it's gonna stand out there. And we know for sure that like a bunch
of us played the like, whereas I don't specifically remember that. I don't.
I don't doubt anything you say, Mike, I just don't ran playing
it. I do remember playing the soundtrack, by the way, all Timer
six. What about those m Dickey games hilarious? I called you Dicky.
They're they're very very funny, but yeah, funny novelties, I would say,
right, it's like more of an homage to like the no Mercy era
of games, right, yeah, yeah, the Dreamcast row Rumble sucked.
You know, it's funny that we haven't even mentioned the acclaim like war Zone
and the attitude stuff, Like I liked him. Like the first time I
ever remember doing a character creator in a video game was the N sixty four
AF war Zone, And it's just these games are so fun because like I
took a couple of years off watching like in the mid nineties, and then
I picked up war Zone and like I didn't know who Austin was at the
time, and then like seeing like, wait, why is you know Sean
Michael was saying suck it and wearing green. That's not the Sean Michaels.
I know. I know they'll be like like picking up on like where wrestling
is at based on wrestling games I think is really fun. I think Warzone
just never did much for me because I went to it after I had played
like WrestleMania two thousand, the hockey games, and like that point, it
just it seems a little rough. They're not they're not good. I don't
think they make it on here, but like they were very popular at the
time. What about what about some of the weird other company one You've got
the e c W game that was on Dreamcast, another Place game, Oh
yeah, wrestler, don't try this at home. T NA had that Xbox
three sixty game, and I kind of want to play that h aw Fight
Forever which virtual wrestling for sixty four or I'm going to make it here Mike's
best friend Jeff Jarrett's game wrestle Quest. Oh yeahs favorite, it's not terrible,
sins Marine. I want to play Impact sometime. I suggest everyone actually
give TNA Slash Impact the chance. Lately. The boys and girls over there
been tearing it up. Are they still in an octagon? No? Six
sided? They wished that game? Well, they changed their name back to
TNA, so you know, maybe I wanted to sell people do because apparently
it was like it made for a stiffer ring or something. I don't know.
There's such a weird thing with that Impact game because isn't the thing like
the I don't know if it's the career mode or whatever, but you play
as a character named Suicide that's like a mass wrestler, and it was not
based on a real guy. But then I don't know if it was a
marketing thing in conjunction, but they made was it like Chris Daniels are low
key? It was Daniels, but as a few people, but it was
Daniels for sure, for sure at one point. Yeah, so like he
became it was a work for the game and became a shoot on TNA.
Amazing it really all right? Kauzarian was first, what about rumble roses?
Okay, I just wanted to put it up there. It's not a pervert
verse. It doesn't take place in a ring, primarily a game. Yeah
too soon, man, just like God, just give it enough legs like
a man. One of the best elbow drops in a game ever. Uh.
Okay, So if we do have no mercy, uh uh, let's
see SmackDown, here comes the pain Fire Pro Wrestling Returns and w g WNW
Revenge. What's the one? You guys are kind of like, that's not
going to make it because I am like I would like to see Ultimate Muscle
on there, but there's just no way I'm going to remove any of those
for alternate Muscle for me, Yeah, for me, it's a Fight for
New York. Yeah, listen, a Fight for New York was eligible,
Jane, I'd be one hundred percent with you. That's one of my favorite
games on the GameCube, a system I love. Yeah. And was it
Vendetta or Fight for New York that was responsible for COVID? Sorry I can't
remember, but they had Fight for New York had the T Mobile sidekick in
it, so it's one of the coolest games of all time. Explain this
joke about the COVID. Okay, So Alex and Vinnie were going to go
play Fight for New York in person and this was like the week that everyone
was like, Oh, maybe you should go home, Maybe you should stay
home. And that was the last in person stream from the website for a
good two and a half years. Oh wow, Jesus. So yeah,
gint Bomb East, we should do a mount rushmore games with the sidekick in
it. I'm on a giant Bomb dot com and it turns out was in
Tony Hawk Ride Midnight Club, Los Angeles, skate. It was in the
first skate Yeah, it was Deft Jam for New York. So actually there's
your there's your Mountains Mountain right there. Yeah, I mean, given given
the strict rules that we've put on, I would also like to see Ultimate
Muscle because it's just a batshit game. Yeah, I just can't. I
can't abide the character designs. He doesn't me out Asian character in there called
ramen Man. So maybe we shouldn't have it on the list. Now allow
it? Hey, hey, next Jen, I do see I see Nikki
saying can we please play Tony Hawk Ride next week? We have to play
it. I do have the skateboard and the game and a three sixty.
That's interesting to know, Dan, Okay, it's good to know that.
Yeah, that it's real bad. I want if he's gonna play most control
game. I'm desperate for him to play the the mech game for CONNECTI Battalions
Bill Battalion from from Software. Let me play the one with the cool controller.
I don't want to be the controller. The controller controller's rule. What
do you probably try to get rid of talking about? Yeah, I'm a
little yeah, of course, I'm aloth the side we don't get O six
in there. But that's just such a personal thing. Uh, you know,
the geekub games are very cool. I kind of agree there's no room
for them, and there's not really like a succession line with these like there
is was the SmackDown, so it's more important to get that in there.
But even all those, like I even played what I the first one was
WrestleMania eighteen, and then there's WrestleMania in nineteen, the Day of Reckoning one,
which I don't have yet. Twenty one was terrible? Did twenty one
on Xbox? That's like notoriously bad? Was that the famous bad one?
Was? Was it twenty that was the famous bad one? I don't know
if they made a twenty I think twenty one was. I think twenty one
doesn't exist because they took a year off. No I thought I reviewed at
the twenty one. I thought they didn't make twenty Let me see here now,
Oh, they they made remember twenty one podcast, there's no twenty one.
Marino was saying twenty one had broken online. There's no two K twenty
one not too Oh sorry, wait, we're mixing things up here. I
thought you were saying wrestle Mania now two ky one. Okay, now I
get what you're saying to skip that year. Yeah, two K twenty one
doesn't exist. Two K twenty was the like super terrible one wres Yeah,
I'm talking about Original Xbox had a WrestleMania twenty one that was fucking terrible.
Oh I didn't even know that. I thought that. I thought original Xboxes
had Raw and Raw too. Uh No, there's a I want to say,
it's wrestle of twenty one on Xbox. I think I think it was
the first wrestling game I reviewed, and it was fucking awful. I remember.
Okay, well there you go. Man. You know what's another fun
fact about Day of Reckoning is that there's like a weird like alternate universe story
mode that does actually like get followed up in Day of Reckoning too. Is
that the one where you can be like Scott Steiner and you have to blow
up WrestleMania. God, I hope that's true, throwing security guards on the
skyscraper. Yeah cool? Right, Yeah, we should we should play that
game. Yeah, we should play a bunch of these old wrestling games.
That should be something we do on the site. Yeah, I will say
I'm not the biggest fan of No Mercy, but I respect it's placing all
the pantheon of history same I actually, I mean just because I was a
fan of WCW, I do prefer the WCW games. You get that on
it. Gentlemen, we've forgotten one very important title actually, and it's a
license game, WWE the Mortals hal thought it for a second. I brought
that game up numerous times when I worked at w dowe be like, because
they would bring me into meetings about the game, something like, hey,
make this, but make it a non mobile game. This was cool as
hell, you should do this, And they had no interest in that.
That's too bad because that was I mean, it kind of is a successor
to those Midway games in some ways. But they really should have just made
a sequel that was on consoles even now, they should do that. It
would rule. You know. What else I pushed for was they canceled the
game called WWE Mania, I think, and there was concept art that came
out. It was Vince McMahon in a mech suit. But it was like
a power It was like a power Stone style like four player, like Apocalypse.
It was an arena Fighter with Wrestlers. It would have been about like
early twenty tens that I got canned. I think maybe it was when THQ
got put under that I got canned. I'm not sure, but yeah,
there's a concept art out there of Mex Sut McMahon and all that stuff.
But that game seemed really cool. But h that's right, Ellian Miracle.
Remember when Daniel Brian was just himself in Immortals. Everyone else is like version
of this guy in a T shirt? Yeah, dude in a T shirt?
Well, unless is there any any other outliers that we're not thinking of
anything we haven't brought up. I feel like we've covered the gamut in terms
of like big titles. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I feel
like we're doing pretty good here, especially again Mount Rushmore. It's not necessarily
best, even though I think you can maybe argue for it is sort of
the most uh emblematic, the most prolific debit. Do you have Betrayal the
one where Stephanie mcmahontt's kidnapped and you have to beat a bunch of dudes up
to savor Yeah, that one on that Dragon, Yeah, it is.
It's that it's a game Boy game this Double Dragon? Does she kids shot
in the sequel? I don't think so. I do enjoy the recent trajectory
of wrestling games because, like aw Fight Forever, not the best game,
but it had some decent stuff, like some neat ideas in it. Two
K twenty four, Dan like you've you've been pretty hot on it, and
it's it's making improvements. Hopefully we'll get to a place where wrestling games are
super fun for everyone. But gentlemen, are we locking this list down?
Yeah, let's lock it in. What's our Mount Rushmore? Janeto our Mount
Rushmore? Jeff grub Is, WWF No Mercy, WWE SmackDown. Here comes
the pain Fire. Pro Wrestling returns in w CWNWO Revenge. That's good.
That's good. That's good. I mean, I can't wait to the third
game where we have to kill Mecha mcmon mcmon, Yeah that floats off that
time too. Well. Folks, thank you for joining us for a lovely
week here at giant bomb dot com. This has been BombCast Revenge. It's
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