FT Live @ Winter Meetings Day 3: Ken Rosenthal & Jim Duquette's take on Pete Alonso deal + more reports

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Speaker 1: Inside Scoop time with e FT senior insider Ken Rosenthals for wrapping up the winter meetings in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I just thought of this.

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Speaker 1: The most talked about team is a team that actually hasn't done anything, and it's the Mets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, and they've done Devin Williams right before it was here, by the way, but well, yeah I saw last night, but before this, not during this stretch. No, you're right, and certainly the Mets are going to be the talking point of the sport right now. I just got done writing about them and all this is well and good. Do you want to lose these guys? Okay, but you have to have answers, and I'm not necessarily seeing what those answers are going to be. And I'm sure David Stearns has some kind of plan. They're not talking much about what they're gonna do. That's fine, but they need to outfielders, they need starting pitching, and they don't want to play long term on the big time starting pitchers were and free agency, which I understand. Those guys have questions. And now they have a closer, Devin Williams, who will not have a safety net in Edwin Diaz, so you're gonna need to be busy. I'm sure they know that. They obviously know that. But the way I wrote the column was, if you're a Mets fan right now, the irrational side is winning.

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Speaker 4: Is has thing true about not calling him about Devin Williams, and then therefore he got his feelings, which I totally understand because he's been there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a star.

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Speaker 4: He is a star of the new when they play the trumpets, he's the man coming out of there and he's done in the biggest stages. So is that a true thing that led to him then going to the Dodgers. I don't know that that alone, well, it adds up. As a player, you want to be respectful. That's where I'm going ages.

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Speaker 5: Especially a guy that has been there, done that.

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Speaker 3: That was one element their offers, I'm sure were another element. Jeremy Heffner leaving Edwin di has had a good relationship with him. All of that adds up, as you said, and players they want a certain respect shown to them, especially someone like DS who meant so much to the franchise from what I've heard, and it's not just with the failure to call him and inform him. With Devin Williams, it was overall from when I've heard that respect he didn't feel was shown to them.

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Speaker 4: By the way, has anyone done a proof of life on Mendy Carlos Mendoza, I saw him yesterday, but today.

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Speaker 5: Now Alonzo's gone.

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Speaker 4: Has anyone has anyone seen or heard from Mendy because he's gonna have to put all this together. I mean, yes, David Searns, but if they don't do what they need to do, it all falls on him, not David Sterns.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, guys, it's going to be a different kind of team obviously. They also made the Semian move. They acquired a thirty six year old second baseman who was in offensive decline and I know what they're saying about run prevention, and Pete Alonso is not the best defensive first baseman. I don't think the Orioles cared all that much about it because they see him as a game changer in their lineup, and he is for them. This is a huge move for Baltimore and the Mets just didn't see it that way. I understand no player is perfect, but man, Peter Lonzo brought an awful lot and like Nimo, like Diaz, he proved he could play in the New York pressure cooker. Not a small thing. Marcus Simeon hasn't done that. Devin Williams has done it to an extent, but he had mixed results this year, So fucked in them. They're gonna have a lot to do and it's not gonna be an easy puzzle.

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Speaker 2: To put back together.

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Speaker 1: What about the puzzle that the Orioles are trying to put back together?

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Speaker 2: Line up looking nice now. They still have a lot of work.

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Speaker 3: To do on the page side. They will be active on starting pitching. I recorded yesterday with Will Salmon that they've been talking to the Marlins about Edward Cabrera. They're also talking about other trades. There have been published reports linking them to Mackenzie Gore and they are also involved in Ranger of Suarez and at the top of the free agent at Market Valdez as well. So this is not it for them, but the breadth of what they have done so far is somewhat astonishing. Starts with Leoti Tavares Andrew Kittridge. They trade for him, then they exercise his option. Ryan Helsley, they trade for Taylor Ward and now Pete Alonso. That's the team that is doing things. That is a team that finished last last season and said not good enough. And it's also an ownership much different than Steve Cohen, of course, but an ownership that, while operating in a mid market, is stepping up and saying it's time, let's go. We gotta get going here. And they are impressively putting a team together.

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Speaker 5: I love. Yeah, we bang on them all the time. Finally Gill get him, go here we go.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, too, there's always a question with a team like that. Cincinnati's facing this, Pittsburgh's facing this, can they actually get the guy? And the Oriols, of course, they bid the the same amount for Schwarber that the Phillies did, but the Phillies were given the right to match, it seems, and just did that. But here are the Orioles and they were in there against the Red Sox, they were in there against well, I guess the Mets didn't really did, but they won. And that's what you have to do in free agency to get the player, you have to win.

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Speaker 5: We all know.

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Speaker 3: It always sounds great the first day and who knows how this will work out. But Peter Alonso's thirty one. It's not gonna stop hitting anytime soon in my estimation. So it's a huge day for the Orioles, huge day for kind of continuing the revival in that city of baseball, which took a little bit of a step back last year.

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Speaker 2: Nothing has actually happened with the trademarket, and.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna I was gonna say who won the Winter Meetings because every year we have offseason winners only.

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Speaker 2: Three moves, I mean, there's a few others.

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Speaker 4: He knows more of the insider what he thinks is gonna happen down the road. Who do you think is maybe set themselves up?

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Speaker 3: Will the Ools for sure set themselves up?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and aj not to cop out, but too early to pass judge. And that's the one thing with the Mets, what they've done so far is curious, to say the least. But it's December tenth, it's not February tenth, and there's plenty of time. I just don't see the options being that great. For example, Peter Alonso is one of the great right handed hitters in the sport. He hit behind Juan Soto, one of the great left handed hitters in the sport. Who is going to fill that spot? The two top free agents, Cody Bellinger and Kyle Tucker are both left handed. The Mets show no inclination that they're going to sign either anyway. Who is the right handed bat behind?

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Speaker 7: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I guess those guys should be six to seven in the lineup, you know, could be a trade, could be a trade. But again, one of the reasons the Ools jumped on Taylor was the lack of right handed hitting outfielders. Maybe they signed Harrison Vader back the Mets. I don't know, but he's not a protection guy. And good luck trading for a right handed slugger.

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Speaker 5: Simeon not that guy anymore.

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Speaker 3: Have seven hundred ops the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we talked about this twenty minutes ago. I was reading some parts from your notes column the Braves, Remember the Braves. What are they going to do this offseason? I know you wrote a little bit about some prying into relievers.

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Speaker 3: Yes they're on relievers, and Robert Suarez is one, but there's competition for him. And it's the other thing with the Mets. By the way, they face competition for all these players. Most of the teams are trying, so that's a problem in addition to everything else. But the Braves they want another reliever, they want a starter, and they want to if possible, continue upgrading at shortstop so they could play Dubon all over the field. Now, hash On Kim, we haven't heard much about him. He's still out there. The Braves of course acquired him for the last stretch of the season to get to know him. He becomes a free agent, of course, which is his writ and which I think was their expectation. But he's a guy that if his market doesn't develop, and there are teams that could use him besides the Atlanta Braves, obviously they would love him to come back.

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Speaker 5: By the way, you know, you said six to seven, right, six seven?

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Speaker 2: There you go, perfect.

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Speaker 3: I'm with the cool kids.

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Speaker 5: I know the shot is like Ken said, sixty seven, which is great.

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Speaker 4: But one of our friends, one of our colleagues, a guy you worked with much more than me, won the Frick Award was Frick. It was the Frick Award, Fortsy Frick Award. Joe Buck one of the best dudes I know. People bash him He's one of the best dudes I know in the world. Always gets back to you. We'll do whatever, give you anything you want. One of the greatest guys in the world, one of the best sports announcers, baseball, football, any sport he can do. One of my favorite people I've ever met. I want your thoughts on him getting into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: I was thrilled to see this. And I work with him, I believe, maybe fifteen years at Fox.

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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 3: I know what people say, Oh, is this he's that the guy called twenty four World Series. He didn't call twenty four World Series because he sucks, Okay, he did because he is the best at his craft. And I was privileged to be part of that team that he was leading. Obviously, as far as the broadcast and AJ I'll tell you this one story because it showed me how gifted he was, and it was such a subtle thing that I'm sure no one noticed. Two thousand and nine, ALCS, I believe the Yankees and Angels are playing. The Yankees are kind of putting the series away a little bit and Tim mccarvert I get this conversation on Airbell looking ahead to the next series Joe pulls it back to the game in a way that was so masterful, so easy, and yet the view the listener would not have even known what had happened. And he has amazing gift, Great on the big moments, great in every aspect of broadcasting. He is, I believe now in both the Baseball and football Hall of Fames again, that guy who is that two Hall of Fames. I don't think he sucks. He's pretty dawn good, all time greats.

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Speaker 2: He's a legend, and he makes every event feel bigger.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and that's why ESPN wanted him, because he elevated them.

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Speaker 5: And does this mean he's coming back into a baseball again though he.

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Speaker 3: Sure doesn't sound like he really wants to do that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know big events deal, Yeah, I know, I know they got some special games.

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Speaker 3: Here and there. I would think he might do it, But he's doing pretty well.

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Speaker 2: It's tough to do multiple sports. A lot of guys do it, but it is also multiple still on.

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Speaker 3: A personal level, before I started Fox on the broadcast in two thousand and six, they had not had a print person be a sideline reporter and Joe and Tim, they didn't have to agree to that. They didn't have to accept that, and yet not only did both of them do it, and they both have now won Frick Awards. They accepted me, they brought me in, they made me feel part of it, and I'm forever in debt to both those guys.

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Speaker 4: I love both those guys the same thing you told me you were talking about Joe and Tim.

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Speaker 5: We were recently at Tim.

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Speaker 4: It was a few years ago Tim mccarver's celebration of life in Saint Louis. I get a call from Bob costas, can you come speak at Tim mccarver's celebrational life if you know the family would like you to speak U And I'm like, well, I knew Tim, and I didn't know Tim like as well as y'all did, but we had a relationship and I'll never get Bob Costa says, hey, can you speak? And I go, well, where you know what am I saying? Just tell stories about Tim Da da da And I said, well, who am I speaking between? He's like, well, between me and Joe Buck. And I'm like wait a second here, Bob cost is me and and then Joe Buck. And then you were there and you saw it was there and I and I did my whole little thing and told some funny to McCarver and then the best was Joe followed me and he weaved what I said into what he was saying. And I was like, Okay, this dude is just the best, and like made it so good.

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Speaker 3: He was inducted into a third Hall of Fame, the National Sports Media Association Hall of Fame. I was there for that, and this was in North Carolina. His speech, it was so hilarious. This guy is one of the funniest people I know. And he's self deprecating, he's humble, he knows he take He took all the criticism because of his father, and he's following his father. It's nepotism. He attacks it head on. He will tell people I'm a nepo baby, and I'm proud of it. And man, I'm sure his dad right now is looking down at his son and saying, man.

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Speaker 4: In twenty years of the day, don't forget the ninety one Kirby Bucket game six Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: That's my call.

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Speaker 4: So do you know that we had a conversation before the game about that. I don't know if you were in the car with us. That was my first ever thing with Fox. And I said, Joe, you know, it's twenty year anniversary. And he knew obviously, and I said, you know, if Cardinals hit a walk off, you got to do it.

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Speaker 5: He's like, oh, trust me, we've I've thought about it already.

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Speaker 4: Oh really And then and then David Frees hit the home run and we'll see you tomorrow night.

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Speaker 5: And this is how good he was though at like forward thinking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just a master.

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Speaker 5: Is a master. Yeah. I still can't talk about Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, congratulates the second winner after Vince Scully.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. Well, we'll get him on. We'll talk about it, Ken, we'll talk to you, or we'll hear.

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Speaker 5: From my wife, you know.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I can just talk about Hoyns old Day too.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah. But he also is going.

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Speaker 3: In BBWAA winner. Longtime beat writer for the Cleveland Plain Deals since nineteen eighty three, and he's seen it all from Municipal Stadium to Jacob's Field to Progressive Field. Now. He's covered all kinds of teams, good, bad, so ugly. He is beloved among the baseball writers and when he got in yesterday we were all just laughing and thrilled. Is just a fun loving guy on top of everything else. And yeah, Hoynsey and Joe Buck, it's quite a pair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We saw great tweets from a lot of the BBWA members, you know, sharing how happy they were for for Hoynese and he's there and you all get to see it in the room.

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Speaker 2: That's very cool, taking a tour of all of the.

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Speaker 1: Past suites that Jim Jucatt has spent time in as he joins us right now, Duke, good to see you and there's a big crowd for you today. Yeah, yeah, we brought them in. Yeah, you're the man of the hour. You know why Yeah, because you worked in the front office GM, both with Baltimore and with the New York Mets.

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Speaker 6: These are my two teams right here.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I've been getting hit up by a lot more Baltimore fans and a ton of upset Mets fans, not just because of love Alonzo, but Diaz, Yes, does this happen?

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Speaker 5: Can you believe this? But it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Like as happy we'll get to the Orioles, as happy as they are, but this to me is more of a met story and David Stern saying we tried with this core group, Nemo gone, Dias gone.

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Speaker 5: Alonso gone. How does this happen?

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Speaker 4: Is this just David Curtin saying I'm doing it my own way and I don't care about money because we still have Soto, we still have Lindor, and we still have other big contracts.

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Speaker 8: It's hard for me to imagine that the plan at the end of the season is disappointing as it was and embarrassing as it was that your plan was, well, we're gonna get better next year and it's not gonna include Brandon, Nemo, Pete, Alonzo, Edwin Diaz.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't That doesn't resonate with me. That doesn't make any sense. But I think you know, when you look at it in its entirety, when you talk about it in silos, and you just think, okay, you know, from a business side, Okay, maybe maybe Nemo is starting to age a little bit. Okay, Diaz, maybe you didn't want to go to three years, which I don't get. But maybe you didn't want to.

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Speaker 5: Go to three years.

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Speaker 8: Oh maybe you didn't want to go more than three years to pee. So there's each individually wrapped. You go, Okay, I understand that angle, But when you have this much change and you know, influx with your team, how are you gonna unravel this? How are you gonna how are you gonna improve? And and does your fan base believe you?

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Speaker 6: That's the other thing.

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Speaker 8: There's a believability factor or lack of credibility right now because of how upset they are about losing two iconic homegrown Mets players.

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Speaker 6: These guys are homegrown, not any good players, but homegrown. So I think there's a huge, huge.

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Speaker 8: You know, PR issue that you'd have to have your head in the sand to not understand or believe. And they like, the next moves better be good, you know, and and they better be like impactful. And that's where I'm still not sure they're gonna go impactful going forward.

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Speaker 2: I got one for you in your ear, crats.

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Speaker 7: Do they I mean the move the moves? It wasn't just like you're not talking about just PR guys. You're talking about the dude who led the team in homers. You're talking about the dude that led the team and saves for the last however many years? Is there do you see a way like you mentioned it like it's hard to say, Okay, we're gonna unravel this. Do you see a way that David Sterns unravels this or is this the beginning of the end for his approach to the way this team's gonna win because it didn't work last year with the starting staff that he assembled.

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Speaker 6: Right, you know, I think that you know, the starters, let's start just there. I mean, he doesn.

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Speaker 8: Want to give up any long term deal, give out any long term deals right to starting pitchers. Okay, well, you know, I think the way the market is playing itself out is kind of looking like it might come in like fall into his hands. If if you look like a Michael King, sounds like no more than four years or three years, you know, if you look at Valdez, sounds like he's having a harder time getting six or seven. I don't get the sense though the Mets are on Valdez, but you know, I think that uh, you know, Zach Gallon still a mix in the but we haven't really heard it. There's a certainly trade potential that I could see happening there with the Mets because they have a host of prospects that you know, strong prospects capital that he's willing to part with. But you know it's still right now you kind of start with that starting rotation. Now, how are you going to improve on the position players? Like, if you're not going to go after Tucker or Bashett you know, and I don't think Bashette fits, but Tucker certainly does. You know, what else are you going to do to improve the offense because you lost two significant offensive pieces?

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Speaker 5: Agreed? Agreed. Right now, we've hit the Mets.

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Speaker 4: We've kind of, I don't want to say blasted the Mets, but we're more surprised on what the Mets off season so far has been.

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Speaker 5: Sure, now let's go to the Orioles.

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Speaker 4: They just picked up a forty plus home run guy, a guy who plays one hundred and fifty to one hundred and sixty two games a year. It's a great guy in the clubhouse from everything I've ever heard. What does he bring to the Orioles? And how happy should the Orioles fans because they got Taylor, they got Taylor Warp, they got now they have penal longs, so they had a two huge bats they should need starting pitching. But is this Micha Elias really saying, hey, we're finally have the money and resources to really go.

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Speaker 8: Well, it looks like it. I you know, I was skeptical. I think a lot of the fans were that they were willing to do this. They got shut out there with Schwarber. They were in on Shober and could have extended, but they got their one of their guys. And I think, you know, when you look at the young talent that they had, it was lacking a couple i'll call them adults in the room, Guys that could be leaders in the clubhouse, Guys that could give you a professional approach, you know, and be impactful to take pressure off the young guys right now. It allows you Gunner to just you know, if he can stay healthy, not worry about anything else.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: It allows a little bit of room for Rutchmen to going to hopefully get back on track how all day, to develop in his own you know window. You know, he's still a really young kid. You know, maybe it allows Cowser to hit in the seventh hole, which is probably where he is better off, instead of hitting at the top of the lineup. Like it changes their entire lineup around and now they have to go get pitching. But you know you remember this too, ag when when you'd signed somewhere, or let's say, I'll go back to when I signed. When when I was with the Mets and we signed Pedro Martinez Omar signed him when we had we struggled until we got Pedro, and then Pedro helped us get Beltron right, and he got of like, oh wow, Pedro signed there. Okay, there must be doing something, don't Beltron goes. I want to be there too, you Alonzo signing there goes? Okay, well, now they's starting pictures. Okay, now I know what the Oriels are doing.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't sure. Now I know, you know, and I think it just changes.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, because I've been saying this crowds AVNI for days now. Teams like the Pittsburgh Pirates, Oh, we want to turn our fortunes around. Show everybody you got to sign somebody, and you might have to overpay a little bit, right, but that shows that they're serious. Right, And here you go, the Orioles are now officially serious.

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Speaker 6: About Jason Worth did it with the Nationals a couple of years.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's a long list of this afterning.

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Speaker 4: The Cubs did it with Lesser and Lackey, that's right, Rizo and Bryan and all those guys coming, Oh hey, we got and they might have done until the year early, but then they ended up winning the World Series Erlander, right, I mean, so sorry, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for saying no.

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Speaker 8: I mean it's true, and we've seen it happen so many different times. I don't know why organizations don't do it more. I really don't.

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Speaker 7: Who got the better deal Phillies and Schwarber, Orioles and Pete Alonzo because it's two years younger for Pete, he can still play first. It doesn't hamstring you yet.

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Speaker 8: At d H Right, Well, that's that's a great question because and they're so different, like one's righty, one's lefty.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 8: I think with with the Orioles, I think they got the better deal because he can play a position and they needed them so badly, you know, the Phillies, if it wasn't Schwarber, they would have pivoted to Tucker or whatever. This this opens up so many different things, and there's so much skepticism there with the Orioles, like Dave Dombrowski knows what he's doing. You have a high degree of faith and confidence that, oh jeez, if you didn't get sharburh okay, they would done something else.

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Speaker 6: But like I knew, Dave was not gonna.

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Speaker 5: Let Schweber get away.

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Speaker 8: There's no chance, you know, the Hall of Fame, you know, general manager.

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Speaker 6: But with with Michael Llias, there was a lot of uncertainty down there.

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Speaker 8: He needed he needed this one, you know, And and I think you know it'll age.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 6: Listen, I'm not gonna bet ever against Schwarbert.

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Speaker 8: If he ends up hitting forty more homers per year over the next five years, we're gonna be talking about in the Hall of Fame like he's gonna have over five hundred home runs if you start to look at legacy.

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Speaker 5: So I like, I love what he is.

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Speaker 8: The problem. The only problem is he's a DH, you know. And I think that's when I say DH, it just hurts your versatility from a front office side of you know, your the way your roster plays out.

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Speaker 5: So I love Kyle Schwarmer.

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Speaker 8: I'd want him on my team any day, and i'd I would make him a full time DH and screw the rotation DH.

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Speaker 6: Like every team likes to do.

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Speaker 8: But you know, in the sense of which one might work better, I think Alonso is just because he has some position, some positional flexibility.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you mentioned this, and we've talked about the oils forever. They have all these prospects, Cow's are Holiday, Adley Gunner, and they never really where they were reverse to trading them.

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Speaker 5: Right, how much is a prospect really worth?

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Speaker 4: Because we just had a whole Jackson Holiday was worth forty to forty nine million dollars?

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Speaker 6: Right, how much is a prospect really worth?

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Speaker 4: And how do you know when to get rid of them and make that move and hold on to them and then they become too old and now they're not worth anything.

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Speaker 8: So the worth the value when we look at it, a lot of it's in the projection. So like, okay, is Jackson Holiday going to be an impactful second base slash shortstop in the foreseeable future?

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Speaker 6: And if that's the case, you know, is that a five.

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Speaker 8: Or six war player just just just use war as the simple way of evaluating it. Is he going to be a five or six war player over the next four seasons, right or better?

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Speaker 6: And if that's the case, then you then you can put a value on it.

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Speaker 8: You know, you throw eight nine million dollars per war, you can come up with evaluation at least whether you agree with it or not.

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Speaker 6: That's that's how the front officers are doing it, right.

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Speaker 8: So I think that's you know, in Mayo as another example, like they have a high degree of faith that Kobe Mayo is going to be an impact guy.

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Speaker 6: There's too much swing and missing there for me right now, you know.

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Speaker 8: And so you know, what's a potential thirty homer guy that can't make contact, doesn't really do anything for you in the marketplace, that's not as much value, right, so he has to figure out a way to make better contact or else. You know that the value that they think he has is going to go down to two is gonna happen like six months so to strike out? Yeah no, right, So yeah, I think that's the stuff like that, And I'm always fascinated about it because it changes. Like there be times where our valuators would go, oh yeah, this guy is impactful, and then a year later we're like, oh man, we don't have.

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Speaker 6: Any value for this guy.

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Speaker 8: We we held on to him too long, you know, So that that's you know, there's those those impactful guys that usually are obvious, Like when you saw an impactful guy come out, you go, oh yeah, that guy's gonna stick.

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Speaker 6: You could kind of see it with your own eyes.

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Speaker 8: It's the nuance of oh can Jordan Westberg, who really wasn't on the scene that much, can he become an All Star or not? Like those are the guys you're like, okay that you can you make I think missus more misses or hits on those type of guys because you're not really sure when they first come up.

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Speaker 2: Dude, you're the man of the hour. Thanks for stopping by and you got to hit at Thanks for having shift.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for bringing the crowd over here for me.

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Speaker 8: Oh this is the adrenaline, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 6: It's good.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, duke, Thank you, appreciate you. That's Jim Yes, uh, good to see you. You can catch him on s n Y Serious Exam all over the place. Hey, let's talk about MGM futures al Cy Young Winner. I'm assuming that's a plus three fifty for Terrek Schooble and a plus three fifty taking him Garrett Crochet, and then a plus eight hundo for Jacob deGrom, Hey, it's awesome to groam put together what thirty starts this year?

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Speaker 2: Chances he take.

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Speaker 4: School because I think you'll get traded, possibly get traded in the middle of the year, So he's out. Okay, Crochet would be the one on this list.

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I just you know, hopefully he can duplicate what he did, replicate what he did last year. And Jacob de Grim is always a health cancer. But when he's right, he's right. But you know, he had a really good year last year and he didn't. You didn't finish that highly in the cy Young So it's a tough list.

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Speaker 5: Give me a little more.

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Speaker 4: You make a few more people, please, Yeah, you want to go. I mean, not as many people as now are behind us. Again, but give me a few more people on.

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Speaker 1: The crazy they're rabid animals behind us. But crats your thrists on al Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Crochet at plus three point fifty because of the concern anytime you're picking any of these futures, concern of injury is always there. But to me, the concern of being traded like Scoogle could be. He could be twelve and one at the trade deadline, and if the Tigers aren't in it, which is completely out of Scooble's control. He will get traded, not could he will and it will be a massive haul that the Tigers will still get for him. And if he goes to the National League, you're cooked.

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Speaker 5: You're not.

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Speaker 7: He's not winning the Cy Young Award winner. But to me, I think Crochet is the Crochet is a playing it. I love that number at plus three fifty.

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