RHOC-ya Next Season: Reunion Pt 3 Recap with Alexis Bellino

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. All rain drops on today's episode Reality with the King listen. I have to check my blood pressure because after watching part three of the Real Housewaher Orts Councer Reunion, I don't know how this recap is going to go. I have some very strong opinions that may be extremely unpopular, but hey, that's why you tune into me An Alexis. Alexis Jansen is here, and before we get started with OC, first of all, you look smoking hot. Make sure y'all are subscribing to YouTube so I can see our recaps as well.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to it.

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Speaker 3: But a lesson is well woman who was dominating Bravocon and interviewing everybody, including your former boss the EP of OC, alex Baskin, talk to me about you.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm still tired. I haven't unpacked. I don't know. Let me see if I can get you. Look. Look i've been. I literally can't believe it. Every time I walk up here, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get it done. I've got to get the stuff to dry cleaning. I got, you know, I can't get It's one thing after the next, which, by the way, the doorbell might ring and my twins are gone. It's their eighteenth birthday today, and the rental company was supposed to be here at nine point thirty and we were recapping at nine forty five and they haven't shown up yet. So I'm just gonna have to run down show more to put stuff and go because it's gonna pour tonight.

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Speaker 2: And I we love you in action girl. All good?

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Speaker 4: Anyway, So back to Alex Baskin and guys, I don't look that hot. He just says that to you'll too into his YouTube, don't listen to him. But anyway, okay, I have to tell you about Alex. I was so nervous, and I was not really nervous, have doctor Heavenly. I was nervous about because we're sweet or such from different worlds. I was nervous about her, But I was so nervous about Alex because I did not prepare. I woke up late, I got to bed super late. I did not sit there and go, Okay, what do I want to ask him? What do I want to do? I literally sat there and then was like, okay, like you've got this, sweat's coming out. You know, I'm sweating. I'm like, okay, you got this. You can do this, you can do this, pull it together. And so I just I just started thinking what would people want to know and what am I curious about? And then it was amazing And he's you know what I love about him, Carlos, He actually is pretty deprecating or like he'll like he'll be honest, he'll be super honest about where he's at, or you know, it's not like he's love at His answers were a little political or you know, uh.

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Speaker 1: Well he has to be because you know he's an executive. But Alex is a sweetheart.

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Speaker 2: I love him, a great guy. But go ahead, so did you get any I mean?

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Speaker 1: Bicky was announced as being asked to return to season twenty.

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Speaker 2: Did you get any.

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Speaker 1: Tea about what season twenty looks like from Alex Baskin?

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Speaker 4: I did ask about Katie for that. I went over speaking, first of all, I'm super excited that Biggie's back. I know that you and I are on the same page about that. Yeah, this is gonna be a fun season because she's so funny.

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Speaker 2: We need some fun. He's a big.

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Speaker 4: Dork, but she's also like a really cool dork, you know what I mean. So anyway, I got and then I kind of dove in about Katie and I just said, so, there's a ton of you know, word out there on the street that she won't be asked back, but then there's people that say, oh, she definitely will because of how much love she's gotten. I said, so, what is where? Where does it stand Alex? And he just said this was one of his diplomatic answers, and he just said, I can't you know, we don't have the information yet. The final Reunion hasn't aired yet. We don't have We really are still at the drawing board and casting just finished, you know. So I mean I believe them on that. I believe that they really don't know. They probably do now because now the final you know reunion just aired, but which I cannot wait to get into.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we're happy Vickya's back.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised by how many people showed you love Alexis?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, here's why because even last year when I hid in my house for about three months and went off turned comments off on Instagram for three months, it was getting duck threats and all that, Even during that time, when you're out in public, people still say they love you. And I feel like the people behind the computer that show you so much hate really don't hate you. They're just really bored with their lives or just have a lot of evil in their heart. I don't know what it is, Carlos, because I've never been in public one time. No matter how much my you know, my the love of America for me tanked, It's like no one ever has been rude to John or me. And in fact, even when we were on the outs last year, when you know, we were in the lawsuit and doing the things that everyone's saying stop doing this, and we were just living at We're like, no, this is what we're going to live our life and do what's supposed to be done, and people would still say you're our favorite staying there, hanging tall, you know, you know, so I don't know, but it was. It was really awesome. You know. One of the most fun things was Galina's birthday. Oh in the YouTube, I know, it's it's it's just you gotta just take it in stride. The hate that that people get when they're in the social you know, in the public eye. I mean, yeah, but okay, one of the most fun things with the Gallina birthday party because Carlos, it was like the melting pot of Bravo. We had me for Moscy, we had Galina from McBee Dynasty, we have for boys from McBee Dynasty were all three there. They are so cool by the way, and just just cool. And then we had Jesse and Luke from the Valley, and then we had doctor Heavenly, and then we had a nurse mel and then we had who else was Margaret from Jersey and oh, Julia from Flipping Miami. So it was like I looked around the table and I'm like, this is really like one about one from every single franchise and city that you can imagine.

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Speaker 2: I love that Jesse is like my guy.

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Speaker 1: I love me some Jesse Lally from the Valley, He's I I'm obsessed with him. Heavenly is my friend in real life and in Alexis she's my dentist out yes, small world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, after having a good job on his his his teeth because he looks good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So I need to confirm this with you. I've been reading some things on social media. Is it true that Julia from the Real Housewives of Miami got booed at Bravo Con.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was I was at the dinner right after that had happened. It had literally happened, like not even I mean she sat and talked to me about it for the first hour that you know, we were waiting for everyone to show up. It had just happened a couple hours before that, or maybe even the hour before that before she came to this birthday. And you know, that has to be super hard. And that would have been me last year, by the way, bravokonn would have been last year, and I would have been there John and I would have been booed and booed and booed. But I had such a good attitude about it and just kind of like was letting it roll off, even though I'm sure deep down, I mean, it can't feel good, you know, I mean, who are you fool if you think it feels good? But she had such a good attitude about it and was just like, you know, I know I've messed up too, and you know, but she's very She's a character. I'll just say, she's very energetic, great. I really do enjoy being around her. I know people are gonna, you know, hate me for saying that, because I know she's not liked right now, but I really think she's She's She's sweet is all I can say. And I can only go by my experience. I don't have any other experience than what I had that dinner with her, and she was very sweet and fun.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, how is Margaret Joseph's doing?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Terretha, Melissa, Joe Gorga and Louie have reunited.

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Speaker 2: They're back together.

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Speaker 1: Mark made a comment that she doesn't think is going to last, and she's you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I was going to tell you that because I asked her. That was one of my first questions I asked her after we had gotten to know each other a little bit. And I did interview her by the way to one of the twenty people or whatever I interviewed over Bravo Khanna, and she's such a doll. She doesn't believe it'll last, but she's hopeful that it will, and just like all of us, and I mean, I think pretty much everybody in America can stand by the fact that family comes first. And no one wants to see this family divide it over a TV show. I mean, you just don't.

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Speaker 2: That's just it's.

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Speaker 4: Very disheartening, especially since they lost their parents and they've only got each other. It's just it's it just makes me sick because I'm in that boat. I mean, only have my brother. I don't my parents are gone, So it makes me sick to think that that it won't survive. But you know, Margaret very is fascinating by the way, she's just got She's a fascinating human being. But her husband is just as fascinating, and they are so cute together. Like I remember always said, like the schlepping word. He was schlepping all her stuff the whole night. And he's helping Galada down the escalator. He's like got his eyes on. All the women that didn't have their bows will gleat a single but like all of us that didn't have our bows with us. He's like, I'm the husband that's here. I'm going to take care of all these girls because they all need my help or they would be a chaotic mess.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: No, I love that on the show too.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Jersey is still up in the air about what's going to happen to it. Did Margaret give you any indication about whether or not she wants to go back? Has she been test filming with anybody during the castle process?

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Speaker 4: She said, it's still all just you know that no one knows anything yet, so they're still in those stages. I don't know. I mean, we're all hopeful, right, I mean, don't you think most of America wants them to Jersey to come back at some capacity?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, listen, we all love Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Jersey is a staple when it comes to iconic franchises, and I've always said this, Margaret is great television when it comes to Melissa. I am happy that they have found a resolution. I'm more happy that a brother and sister, Teresa and Joe are able to reunite because family is everything, and I agree with everything you said. Alexis by you and your brother and what it's like to have each other when you do lose your parents. It is tough. So I'm happy. And look, we have been punished enough without no Jersey on the air Alexis for almost two years, and I want the show to come back all.

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Speaker 4: Right now, hopefully Alex and Andy. Alex Baskin and Andy Cohen are listening to you right now.

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Speaker 2: Alex has nothing to do with Jersey, but he out of everything.

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Speaker 4: He's in Andy's eer.

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Speaker 2: That's true and so is this podcast. So listen.

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Speaker 1: But one thing, Alex Basket, you like that Alexis talk about a transition. But one thing I will say, thought Alex, I don't want OC to have the faith of Jersey because after this reunion I'm at a loss for words.

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Speaker 4: I had a stomach ache after watching it. I had a stomach I had it literally, like like just felt.

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Speaker 1: With it was this was a tough one to watch. And one thing about OC that I enjoy. Let's let's be clear, this season was very controversial. You and I had a break time recapping the whole Katie drama, Like listen. I don't mind it when it's controversial in the sense of like, okay, he said, she say whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't like a gangap. I have never liked a gangup, and.

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Speaker 1: When it came to this reunion, besides the gang up then needs to be called the Real Housewives of Orange contradiction.

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Speaker 5: Because coud one Carlows, I'm just saying, I feel like the beauty of you, alexis unpopular or popular.

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Speaker 2: You've always said this is all I feel, and you have.

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Speaker 1: Never waivered from your truth. You're like, look, I feel this way. You have on this podcast along with me, have said Carlos. I love Tamara, She's my friend, Tamara. I'll call you later. But hey, I did think Tamar brought up Shannon's father for television. That's how I feel. You've always been honest, right, despite your friendships. This episode of part three reunion was tough to watch because I felt like everybody intention was to conspire against Tamra, and it was. It was very tough to watch, but let's just get into it, Alexis.

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Speaker 2: The reunion opened up with.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're having fun and they're laughing about the trip, which I enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Like, let's start our fun.

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Speaker 1: But look, we have to get into the craziest part, which is Gretchen's post, and they're talking about it. Gretchen said that if she liked something she didn't know what it was about, and how everyone has been.

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Speaker 2: Guilty of liking something they didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Gretchen, I will say, sure, maybe once in a lifetime, once in a century, multiple likes on different posts.

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying what you're selling.

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Speaker 1: And then to say, well, maybe I wasn't paying attention all the time to what I was liking.

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Speaker 2: I called bullshit on this. I call bullshit.

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Speaker 4: Carlos, Carlos Carlos. First of all, I am going to make it very clear that even as a busy mom, when my kids were in diapers and breastfeeding and doing everything, and I'm taking care of my dying dad and I'm making dinner and trying to care of my husband, I never would have gotten on Instagram as the busiest time of my life and liked something that I didn't know what it was. It is such a cop out and such bullshit. Okay, Colin bullshit right there. Second of all, I went on when she said I followed forty five hundred accounts. I went online. Guess how many I follow, Carlos?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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Speaker 4: Three hundred and fifty. I'm like, okay, we all know that I am not a social media guru for sure because I only follow three hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 6: But any any way that you look at it, I don't think any intelligent human is going to like something they don't understand about.

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Speaker 4: Like, if you don't understand it, what do you have to like it for? What are you liking? It's like you have to know what you're reading to like it. Because if they say the sky was purple today and you go, yeah, I love it, Okay, why well I don't understand it. It makes zero sense to me. Yeah, scrolling scrolling a bedtime, and I just I must have just liked you know, I'm just sitting there. I just I just liked something. I didn't even know what it was. Just you know, okay, dim twit put your phone down that if you're not tired.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is.

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Speaker 4: It's it's time for night, Carlos. If you're that tired, no listen.

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Speaker 1: I could not I could not agree with you more because my thing is this The Gretchen had enough time since the finale watching the episodes clearing things up and cleaning things up online, cleaning up the lights and.

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Speaker 2: A liking now.

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Speaker 1: To come back with this sort of Pollyanna ass excuse, I'm not buying it to go and then say there's no excuse for it, and I did not recognize the post. This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. It was hard to watch this episode because Tamra' baby what thing? Alexis always said, She's like Carlos, you'd be calling shit out early on.

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Speaker 2: Then we all get it.

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Speaker 1: I have said numerous times, Tamra, these aren't your friends, and they want you off the show.

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Speaker 2: They want you off the show.

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Speaker 1: I have never seen a group of women kiss ass so much and try to back up someone's abuse of what they have done.

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Speaker 2: Because when it was Katie Janella.

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Speaker 1: Who got caught, let me tell you something, Let's have a real conversation. These sort of grandiose things that Gretcha has done. She has lied about going to the hospital, and her excuse was I missed you not only miss folk, you also miss post.

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Speaker 7: You also miss which one is it? You misspeak? You missed posts and you missed thumbs. Your thumbs like things you're not supposed to like, you say things you forgot to say. All I didn't mean it that way. You like about going to the hospital, you said, no.

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Speaker 5: I miss to say I I thought.

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Speaker 2: I should have gone to the hospital. Okay.

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Speaker 1: You you sit up there and talked about the whole naked waisted thing, which, by the way, you brought up again with tears with no physical evidence of drops.

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Speaker 4: Uh, Carlos, hold on, I so wanted to go here. Notice Tamera had tears that really did fall, and you could see the tears falling, and she was crying quietly, and then they zoomed it on her and she's just got tears falling and she's just like broken. Okay, Gretchen's like not one tear, and she's diving her her she's gabbing your tissue like this, like and the tissue is completely dry. And then she's like she gets into this rage after that lead and then all of a sudden she goes. But then and it was like her personality went from acting completely like crying like you just lost your child, to all of a sudden she just turned and goes and she was in business mode, and I'm like, okay, well that was acting about of Sesame Street if you ask me, But are you kidding me? I can't even believe, like, not one tier again, how many scenes are we gonna watch her fake cry and without a tear?

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Speaker 1: Ugh?

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Speaker 4: So frustrating. And you are right, they are all about get Tamra out and we'll kiss. Ask to whoever. They could have brought up a rock from my garden and sat it on the couch and they'd rather have that on the show than freakin' Tamor they want Tamra out and any other bimbo in.

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Speaker 1: That's what they want, yes, And the thing about it, this is obvious, and I wish again it doesn't make any sense. You girls were mad at Katie for her lying about meeting up with Kiki Monique.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the grand nature.

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Speaker 1: Katie got removed from the show because y'all refused to film with her because she met with a blogger. Right, you guys did not want to be around Katie because she and her daughter allegedly had conversations with the nanny about what Emily is saying.

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Speaker 2: About heaving around her children. All of that to you guys felt like the worst thing in the world. But Gretchen Rossi liking.

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Speaker 1: Homophobic tweets allegedly her allegedly liking things that obviously.

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Speaker 2: Are proof of it.

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Speaker 1: You guys are blind when it comes to physical evidence of Gretchen, but when it comes to Katie at least admitting after three attempts, albeit three attempts.

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Speaker 2: But after she had missed. Like, okay, guys, I did lie about it.

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Speaker 1: Y'all consider her the worst human in the world, and y'all had no fucking sympathy for her. But it wasn't even twenty four motherfucking hours that all of a sudden, y'all had sympathy for Gretchen in the car ride and said, well, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I did go back and look at what she said and I can't find anything yet.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I thought it was so mean to her. It was. This was hard to watch.

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Speaker 1: Everybody on that stage gas lit camera, and everybody on that stage was conspiring to help Gretchen win against Tamra.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, I agree, I agree, and that's why I think it felt so sick, because I don't care if it was just like you know how you and I at the beginning of this season, you and I were speaking about how we didn't like we were sniffing out Katie and we didn't like some of those things, and then we turned our tune because we were like, wait, now it's not cool anymore. Now it's not just now it's a mean girl. Now, it's not It's not about facts. It's not about let's you know, people can make mistakes and let's change. It's not about conflict resolution. It's about now we're icing Katie out and we're going to take away from her paycheck and just be total mean girls to this one person. That's what they're doing to Tamor right now, and it just makes me sick to my stomach. I don't care which cast made it was sitting up there on the couch. I would feel that strongly about it, regardless if they're my friend or not. Like like I said, I felt bad when the girls were all, you know, and when they were mean to Gretchen when they told her she couldn't ride in the van. I got a gross feeling in my tummy then too. So I'm being very objective when I say I don't like the mean girl. We're fifty, well forty to sixty year old women acting like we're twelve and that when they do those kind of things, and it's just like, you know, Vicky said, somewhere she texts, she instagrammed, or maybe she texted me, or maybe it was something she said at Provaco, I don't remember where. But when she got her orange back, she was like, let's bring the fun back, girls, Amen's sister, Let's bring the fun back, because I mean this reunion, the third one, well the whole reunion really, but the third one is so dark, and it was just and I don't like the unfairness of anything, and this was a very unfair. It did feel set up. I didn't like how at the very end the girls all go over Tamer's sitting there crying on the couch to Andy Cohen, and the girls all go over and leave her and Katie out for a shot. Okay, that's real witchy move, you know, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. No, I don't like it either.

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Speaker 1: And for the record, because I'll hope you guys actually watched the reunion and can watch the nuances where Tamra said, but you followed these accounts. Gretchen never denied it, and I just want to make sure that you guys hear that.

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Speaker 4: That's a very good point. How are we gonna dive into this analysis at.

00:22:46
Speaker 1: All or not. That's why I love you so much and why we got to keep doing this, because you are right on the money.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming up next with this. Let's be clear.

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Speaker 1: So rain drops, Gretchen said she paid thousands of dollars. Okay, because again, Gretchen said, she gets paid for posting, right, there was a joke there about posting these other things that I'm like, let me just stay away from it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So she said she paid thousand of dollars for a cyber analysis to do this sort of you know, investigation in terms of where all of these posters coming up, what happened to them?

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Speaker 2: And she had the results.

00:23:27
Speaker 1: She gave them to Andy, and she said that at the end of the day they all came back to Tamera orchestrating all of this.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something.

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Speaker 1: I believe the cyber analysis results, just.

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Speaker 2: Like I believe the Life Detective results you guys had.

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Speaker 4: Like that's my thought. I was gonna say something like that. Okay, okay, Well hold on, Carlos, hold on, because you know dateline and BC here has got some facts for you. Okay, what should I do?

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Speaker 1: Go?

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Speaker 2: Girl?

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Speaker 4: First of all, did you see what came out about the guy that wrote that cyber analysis? He is Slade's friend, they were he was on Slad's podcast five years ago, okay, five years ago and not very credible, and everyone everyone that's hearing this the same time Rasin should sue him. But here's what Alexis did to go even further, because that's just I can't stop Carlos. Okay, I don't. I'm not bored. I'm super busy, but it bothers me when things are mis quoted or done and properly, just like the light detector test. Okay, And that's exactly what I was gonna say. Is I researched the cyber thing and I couldn't print it because my darn printer croaked this morning or last night. But I have it on my phone because I researched.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So.

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Speaker 4: What a PI cannot do? Are you ready?

00:24:52
Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And put your Okay, a P I couldnot hack Instagram illegal, Okay, force Instagram to hand over your DMS. Instagram only complies with law enforcement and with a valid court order, there's no way that they got back. And Gretchen spent thousands of dollars in that short of time. And this PI guy, the cyber analysis guy, had enough time to get the law enforcement involved and then access dms through special software or PI tools these don't exist, and see your messages through public records database or background checks. So basically, this guy, how did he get his facts if he didn't have subpoena Instagram to get all of this, have a cop involved to get it all this was as it was literally as valid as those light detector tests. You are a million percent right. So I want to see that pamphlet. Why doesn't Andy Cohen send me a copy of that and let me do some research because I'm gonna then call that PI or that cyber analysis dude and put him in his place, even though I didn't go to school for that, because anyone that believes that cyber analysis has a freaking IQ of a vegetable, like you can't believe it, go on and do the research. It's all online. You can find it. You can you can research it yourself and find it. And by the way, if he's so, oh and then okay, well we'll get on to the caller next. I'm going to have a heart attack because I just I'm gonna have a heart attack.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: So the phone call, like we said last week when we recapped this, the phone caller would have had to sign off on, you know, getting his voice heard to be on national television. You have to sign a waiver to release your any and for anything you give them. Okay, your looks you're walking down the park, if they show your face or your voice.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So this mfort is a real person, he's not an AI. But why is he disguising his voice? And he's not the only person that would know these facts. All of these women have significant others. They tell and I know they're like, well but grutch to do No. Everyone talks. Everyone talks, and there's what twenty five producers working around there. Sorry, I hate to sit, Bravo, don't get mad at me. But people know and people talk, and it's not just one person. And by the way, if Tamra was the one leaking all this stuff to the all the bloggers, why didn't any information come out? Why wasn't there a story told? If Tamer's doing this? Because bloggers can't wait to tell what you tell them. Just like the whole everything that came out with Katie, it all came out. Why wouldn't something have come out if Tamra really was giving information to bloggers, there would have been some kind of a leak of a story, not just lo and behold all. Now, this phony caller comes with a disguised voice and puts it you know, sends a DM, then deletes that account, then sends a DM again. It's it's all so shady. I want everyone to really put their thinking caps on.

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Speaker 1: Well, apparently it seems like you and I are the only one to who are doing it because the women on the stage, we're trying to do it.

00:28:10
Speaker 2: Now.

00:28:10
Speaker 1: Look, I'm gonna say this, and I do not want to put you in an uncomfortable situation. So this is coming from me and not Alexis. Once again, these thoughts are of Carlos King and.

00:28:22
Speaker 2: Not Alexi Janssen. So I'm gonna say that disclaimer.

00:28:28
Speaker 4: I'm scared now.

00:28:31
Speaker 1: Heather de bro I I'll say this. I was super shocked the way she let Bretchmen off the hook, due to obviously the affiliation that she has with the lgbt quite lgbt Q I a plus community. Obviously, she's been open about her children and their sexuality and openness about that, and I think Heait is a great mother. I saw Heather have more smoke for Katie. I saw Heather have more smoke for Tamera than she did Gretchen. I will admit that I was disappointed in seeing how I felt like she was helping Gretchen come to the conclusion about what her mistakes were when she said, well, that's why I was saying to you, like at dinner, like say something to me, say something to me. I that was hard for me to look at, even when you know Gretchen was squealing but no tears come down her face because it wasn't crying. It just it didn't survive with me when I saw that, and I just felt like if there was one time for someone to say, Okay, Gretchen.

00:29:48
Speaker 2: Look, I get that you and Tama have this thing.

00:29:53
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, when it comes to this cyber analysis, and when it comes to you not even admitting that you have followed.

00:30:02
Speaker 2: These accounts that are anti gay, some of them allegedly, I.

00:30:11
Speaker 1: Don't respect your response because it doesn't make sense to me. The way Tamra overly explained her position up. I did not do it in the way she got emotional and cried and you saw tears. Those were things you expected Gretchen to do if somebody's being accused of being anti gay, an anti LGBTQ plus community. And the fact that she only cried when she had to bring up naked ways for the game, because that was one thing that she wanted to remind people that Tamar did to her, that she wanted all the girls to be like once again that And I'll end by saying this, and again, these are the thoughts of Carlos King, not Alexis Jansen gets Shannon off my show and Beck and Gobs and Voice, because I can't take Shannon only siding with these girls to get Tamra off. You don't have an original thought of your own. You are only there and to to to piggyback off of these women wanting.

00:31:12
Speaker 2: Tamra off. And I'll end by saying.

00:31:15
Speaker 1: This, I'm okay with Emily coming for Tamra because that's what that's what Emily does.

00:31:19
Speaker 2: And I'm here for it, to be honest with you, so that in bothered me because that's that Emily doing her job right. I'm surprised about Gina. I was. I was because I love Gina. I was shocked at Gina.

00:31:33
Speaker 1: Tried to say, well, I felt like Tamra said this to me because she wanted me to bring it up. You guys on the TV show, you all say stuff to be brought up on the show. Tamra's not the only one on that cast to have done that, so I was.

00:31:46
Speaker 2: I was disappointed. Gina. I still love you, but I was disappointed, and that is my rant. Sorry, Alexis.

00:31:53
Speaker 4: Wow, Well you got to go through pretty much everybody. You went down the whole line there, so that's that's good. You got it out right. I think the part that shocked me the most about the Heather, because I'm going to go through some of the girls with you. The part that shocked me the most about Heather is when Tamra said, I know I did tell Heather about it, and Heather said, I want nothing to do with this. That's what shocked me the most because it's like, you have LGBTQ children, how do you not want to be involved in that or like or like or have anything to do with it. It's like that's what I just was like, wow, because that was new information. You didn't see that on the you know episode until the reunion. So I'm sad. I'm sad because Heather and Tamra, you know, have been friends for a long time, and at Bravo Con it seems like they squashed I'll give you guys some behind the scenes beef, but it seems like they squashed it for the most part because they were hugging, like when in the iHeart Suite when I'm interviewing everyone and Heather and and Terry came in, you know, doctor de Broke came in several times, and We're in and out to do interviews and such. But they it seems like they've worked past it. But I just I don't like how, Yeah, nobody on that stage had Tamra's back for anything, and they just it was a gang up. It wasn't ice out. It was like, look, Andy, look how close we all are and we don't like her anymore, you know, And like Carlos, do you still think it's because she's Tamras just so raw? Or you are they jelus, Like what do you think now after seeing the final Reunion. What do you think is the reason they're so anti Tamra because nothing Tamra's done is anything less than what these other women have done. Nothing.

00:33:36
Speaker 1: I always base things on the facts, and that's the reason why I have no emotional attachment when it comes to these shows, because I'm not there.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: These women aren't women I hang out with on a regular basis.

00:33:48
Speaker 1: So I always come from the position of a producer who knows how the sausage is made, but also as if you were right, and who watches these shows and can always revert back to pre is episodes to state my position.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: When Tamarack got fired from the Real Housewives of.

00:34:08
Speaker 1: Orange County, those women did plenty of interviews short of celebrating her dismissal.

00:34:16
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, so I'm I'm privy, not pretty to this. I'm not privy to this, So give a little because some of the listeners they okay, what would they do?

00:34:27
Speaker 2: Okay, So.

00:34:29
Speaker 1: Tama got fired, right, and Heather de bro stepped into the place. Okay, so Tamara got removed. Heather stepped in everything from promotion to the way the season opened up. The premiere episode was all about Heather's come back to the show and the other women, because I watched every single frame Jimily, Jimmily.

00:35:02
Speaker 2: Okay, god good.

00:35:04
Speaker 4: And that was a slip up. Just like my couple, I've had right mixed words. It's fine.

00:35:15
Speaker 2: After him, so Jimmie, there you go.

00:35:20
Speaker 1: They all bowed down to the Queen because the way it was set up, Alexis would listen, Alexis had that big house, not Alexis Lord Jesus Heather.

00:35:29
Speaker 2: Heather had that.

00:35:31
Speaker 1: Massive home in Orange County at the time, and we saw her closet for the first time as a view or whatever, and they all pretty much bowed down to her and.

00:35:39
Speaker 2: The other girls.

00:35:40
Speaker 1: We do interview saying the season is so different. Tamra's gone. It feels lighter, It's about real friendships, like dissing Tamra. Long story short, everybody, including Carlos King said this is the most boring season. We hate this season without Tamra. Talmer came back to the show. They all said, well, I mean she is good TV because everybody wants to save their job now they know that Tama's good TV, but the problem is Tamra.

00:36:10
Speaker 2: They feel like can't be trusted. And that's what they said this season.

00:36:14
Speaker 1: Her friend Heather said, I can't not trust you. These are things she said that I've been saying for years. She finally said it. Emily has said it, Gina has said it, said it, Shannon said it when Gretchen got back on the show. The reason why all of these girls are on Gretchen's side is because they would rather deal with Gretchen than Tamar. They're not jealous of Tamar at all. They are afraid of her. They are afraid because Tama's gonna call shit out and Tamar is going to be a great housewife, but they feel like it's at their expense.

00:36:49
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why when it came to Katie they could not trust Katie.

00:36:53
Speaker 1: They're not jealous of her being like the longest running housewife of all time, but they're jealous up no Jo, They're they're scared of heart.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: Now with that being said, Alexis with Vicky.

00:37:05
Speaker 1: Coming back, now they're like, Okay, you cannot do season twenty without Vicky, Tamera and Shannon.

00:37:17
Speaker 2: And now they're feeling like, what does that mean?

00:37:20
Speaker 1: Because obviously there were unionists take before Vicky's announcement. This past weekend, a Bravo con Yes, I can guarantee you Emily and Gina are afraid for their jobs.

00:37:31
Speaker 4: Now, okay, so this is fascinating, Carlos, and you are usually right, and I cannot wait to see because you know, now that this is there, they're going to start They're going to announce who the cast. You know, they're going to start getting the phone calls and the girls are going to start getting contracts sent via email. So who I guestimate in the next two to three weeks we will start hearing what's happening, but we'll see. Okay, who do you think is going to be? Then give us your and let's see if you're right, And don't ask me this question. Don't or first question on me because I have I am so baffled by the reunion. I can't even I still can't even see straight from it. So I have no clue what I think. I think Bravo's just they're just crazy. They're crazy, but they're good at their job. That's what I keep saying.

00:38:15
Speaker 2: This is Prabo's King's prediction for a season twenty Real Housewives of Orange.

00:38:19
Speaker 1: County cast exclusively on Reality with the King with Alexis Janssen Okay, here we go, Vicky, Tamra Shannon. I'm gonna stop there because rain drops. You want to see the reunion of treasing me, Gus said.

00:38:37
Speaker 2: You want to see it.

00:38:38
Speaker 1: You want to see it, and and you want to see the conflict resolution of those three women. That's why now Heather, Emily, and Gina.

00:38:51
Speaker 2: Now, with that being said, with that being said, with that being said.

00:38:56
Speaker 1: There is a world where it may be Emily or Gina, but Carlos King feels like it'll be those six women. In addition two, in addition two, in addition to testing two new housewives.

00:39:11
Speaker 2: Where one or two, if they're good, will be a housewife. I predict we'll get eight full time housewives if two new women are great.

00:39:19
Speaker 1: Now, with that being said, with that being said, with that being said, you are going to see Alexis Johnson, a lot of appearances from past OC housewives.

00:39:35
Speaker 2: Joe, Gina, Kay, Laurie, Lizzie m An, Alexis Johnson.

00:39:51
Speaker 4: Okay, well whatever we'll cross that it comes okay, But wait, back up, you left out, so the six women you think plus maybe you knew okay, you left out, so you think Jen, Katie and Gretchen are all getting.

00:40:06
Speaker 1: Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, Okay, I fucked up.

00:40:10
Speaker 2: I fucked up because.

00:40:11
Speaker 4: Jen had first seat. They never get rid of the first seat girl the next season. So I think Jen's I think she's a shoeing. She's got to be a shoe.

00:40:18
Speaker 2: They got rid of Tamera at the first seat. Okay, but I'll say this good point. I think Jin.

00:40:24
Speaker 1: Okay, so I fucked up. I would say I'm sorry I mentioned include Jin. That's why, Okay, I fucked up. Yes, Jen, that's the reason why I said. I could see a world where they're going to choose between Emily and Gina. I could see that to break up the alliance.

00:40:41
Speaker 2: I could.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: I could see a world, but that would happen. I do believe you'll get one new housewife or two. But I do believe that you will the women who.

00:40:52
Speaker 2: Are coming back that you saw this season. I don't think Katie's coming back, nor Gretchen. Wow, I'm saying.

00:41:00
Speaker 4: I mean, they really do have me, you know, and I like to have my detective detective cap on, but they have me confused and just thinking like anything's possible. That's truly what I feel, for sure. But but I you know, I hate to say this, but I am just objective and I'm just speaking my opinion. But I'm so sick of Emily's stick. I'm so sick of her. Like, if they're going to keep one, I hope they keep Gina. I mean, at least Gina is a little bit more funnier and just not as much of a loud mouth dumb you know whatever.

00:41:33
Speaker 2: But I just I don't know.

00:41:36
Speaker 4: So, Okay, if that was the case, I would like to see that happen, if they break those two up, which it would also make the show more interesting by the way, Carlos, you know, because they got tweetled de and tweetl dumb. That's been going on for like six years now. It's like, let's break them up and have just one tweetled d or tweetled dumb, one of the two. But then I don't know. I can't believe you think both Gretchen and Katie are gone, because I just don't know if I feel that, I'll say this much, Okay, who's going to be the friend of the who's the friend?

00:42:03
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. That's the thing. The thing about Emily is this, and I'll go I'll go on record saying this, Emily tried her best to push the envelope and listen. As a producer and a viewer, I think she was solid in her attempt.

00:42:22
Speaker 1: The problem is this, Emily is inconsistent, and you can't be inconsistent when you are trying to fulfill the role of the force multiplier. It's a tough gig to push the envelope, but you gotta be consistent. Her inconsistencies in how she treated Katie and then Gretchen and then Tamera, it exposed that she's doing stuff for an alliance and for TV. So I believe that, Look, the coin may be tossed between Emily and Gina, and I was go on record saying that if they have to choose between Emily and Gina, I Carlos King strongly believe they will.

00:43:05
Speaker 2: Choose Gina over Emily. For sure. Jen is standard OC housewife material.

00:43:14
Speaker 1: She has a very interesting storyline, backstory, and Ryan's interesting. So I see a world she comes back Katie and Gretchen. The reason why don't see Katie or Gretchen coming back full time I'll say full time for now because we have to get rid of all of the rest due from this season.

00:43:34
Speaker 2: We have to get rid of it.

00:43:36
Speaker 1: Breaking Gretchen back. You're bringing you're breaking back, Slade, you're breaking back. Naked waisted, you're bringing back.

00:43:43
Speaker 4: We don't care to see that a facelift. We need facelifting to stop living in the past. We need to facelift and refresh right, refresh button.

00:43:52
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Gretchen is Slade, and so I don't see if Gretchen does come back, it's like on an appearance release basis.

00:44:00
Speaker 2: I don't see her getting a full time Orange.

00:44:02
Speaker 1: When it comes to Katie, Yes, Katie was polarizing as a fan favorite on social media. Katie isn't strong enough to go up against these these women, And I think I think they want to so badly have us forget everything that happened with this season that they have to.

00:44:25
Speaker 2: Move forward and and and that's why for me, you want to see I listen. I can watch twenty episodes of seeing how.

00:44:36
Speaker 1: Vickie, Tamarra and Shannon figure things out and and seeing the up and down the relationship. Because one thing about the conflict, it was always funny.

00:44:47
Speaker 2: It wasn't dark. The brother Bruce cancer thing was dark because Brook made it dark.

00:44:54
Speaker 4: That didn't involve Shannon and Tarra. So the fights that Shannon and Tamar and why am I having a problem here my red bull or my Alani's going to my head? Okay, Vicky and Tamra and Shannon, their fights were not dark, You're right. They were more of like, oh, you're just annoying me kind of thing, and they weren't dark. So I totally agree with that.

00:45:17
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I think Vicky is going to come back much more as the dim mother. And I think Vicky is going to provide this levity to the show that allows these other women to get past things quicker. You cannot bring Vicky back without having Tamara and Shannon next to her.

00:45:41
Speaker 2: You just can't do it. So Shannon another season, I don't know.

00:45:45
Speaker 4: I think they could. I think they could either have Tamara or Shannon, because here's the problem. Shannon and Camera have such a such a beef and even at the end of the reunion, you could just tell they are so annoyed with each other, and this whole season it was like Tamara kept trying and Shannon was having no goal with it. I don't know, I feel like they might even be that bold Bravo might be that bold to bring Vicky on and only either Tamra or Shannon. I think there's a world and this is the other problem, Carlos. Shannon doesn't have a storyline, and she brought my name up Agin at the reunion. The only thing she has to talk about is John and me and her dog. Like, she doesn't have a storyline. So so I don't know how I mean, aside from just the rekindling of getting back with Tamara and having a friendship Agin, it's like she's boring. So I don't know. I see a world where they could they could bring just one of those two back.

00:46:39
Speaker 2: Now you got me thinking some more. Maybe Shannon is the friend of.

00:46:46
Speaker 4: I mean, she has maybe enough of a storyline to be that, you know.

00:46:51
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I love to be clear, I'm only interested in Shannon because of Vickie and Tamara. That's it without them. I agree with you if Vicky.

00:46:59
Speaker 1: If Vicky was not coming back on the show this season, I believe Shannon would have been gone.

00:47:05
Speaker 2: I don't see them getting rid of Shannon completely. I do a group with you, though.

00:47:12
Speaker 1: To pay her that much money and she does nothing, I think it's old real fast. So maybe a friend of, maybe a friend of.

00:47:21
Speaker 4: And then that would make that would that would make more sense because then Tamar, you know, would hopefully would stay, which I'm even thinking after watching that reunion. I hate to be honest, Carlos, but that's what we do. We talk our opinion, and we have a right to our opinion. I see a world where they might even be trying to push Tamra out. I don't know why, but after that reunion, I was just like, I think they might even not the girls. I'm thinking maybe Bravos wanting to push Tamra out, like maybe Tamor's going to be a friend of. I mean, I don't know how you can have the twentieth season without her, though, I just don't because she's carried the show for so many years, like her or hater, she's carried the show for so many years. So I don't know it's gonna be. Yeah, and I say, I'm very I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear. I want to know.

00:48:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:48:07
Speaker 1: I just I think you can't you just listen number one? I just I I look at it from like a promotional marketing standpoint. I just I cannot see Tamor not being on the show this season with Vicki coming back, I think all of that could have maybe been plausible based on how she was railroaded meeting Tamra at this reunion.

00:48:30
Speaker 2: Bicky getting that Orange, I was like, Oh, okay, good, I think she's safe.

00:48:44
Speaker 4: I definitely want to see more of their goofy stuff in banter together, because you know, I've been friends with them since the first time, my first season that I was on, and they are just a hoot to be around and and i mean, yeah, their fights get pretty deep, and yeah they cut each other, but you know, but then they put the band aids on too. So it's just I don't know, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be a good season if they're both on, for sure.

00:49:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it. I want to lab listen. I have been watching OC since season one, and.

00:49:18
Speaker 1: I've always said there was something special about OC because the way you ladies knew how to navigate your friendships in a way that yes conflicted at times. But I've always said this, and I'm going record saying this, I always felt like one thing OC had again, one thing OC had that the other shows had a hard time getting you guys did conflict resolution.

00:49:44
Speaker 2: Very well, very well.

00:49:48
Speaker 4: You know, it's gonna be like it's gonna be like Miami or Jersey if you don't. I mean, that's the problem is, that's that's kind of where I think both Shannon and Tamra messed up, as if they both wanted to have a you know, definitely have a seat, like they needed to kind of make up somehow through the season, but they were just so Tamor did try I mean from what I from what I viewed, I think it looks like tamar did try it. It made an attempt to try to, and I think Shannon was just stone cold on that. But you know, Miami's cast is such a mess right now. I think they are close to ending up like Jersey. I think, you know what happened with Jersey. It got too much of a mess. It's like OC is the longest running. They've got to keep the conflict resolution firm, like strong amongst each other.

00:50:30
Speaker 1: No, it's true, it's true, true, and they're going to have to do that. So look, I am looking forward to putting this season to bid. Thank you all for listen. Whether you guys love it, or hate it, it was definitely a season worth talking about and recapping. And I want to give a special shout out to my friend Alexis Janssen for saying yes to truly, truly having the best time with me to do these recaps. I love the fact that the world got a chance to see what I see in you, which is you are a smart, fun, special woman. You're beautiful inside and out. I can't thank you enough for these recaps. I don't want this to end. I'll be speaking to your team later, but I've had the best time with you, and I'll go and breakfast saying this. I could not have done these OC recaps about you. It wouldn't have been as fun and a joy for me. So thank you, my friend.

00:51:35
Speaker 4: Yay, it's been so much fun. You can add quirky to that. Everyone knows I'm quirky, so you could add your long listener like, it's okay to say quirky and kind of dizzy. Sometimes it's all good. I own it. So but it's been a blast. I had so much fun with you, and I didn't realize how fun it would be to get up at five am sometimes and have to do this.

00:51:55
Speaker 2: On a Friday, no less.

00:51:57
Speaker 4: Some mornings we're starting so early and we're sitting there laughing, starting at the crack of dawn, and I'm like, how this is so fun? So anyways, I love you, rain Drops and it's been a blast. So I hope to see you guys soon or talk to you you know yet a voice, find some other moments with you.

00:52:11
Speaker 2: Guys the moment and thank you and shout out to Spencer. Shout out to Spencer, who is like the man behind the MEU. So we make you Spencer for making this.

00:52:20
Speaker 1: Happen so right drop look, let Alexis and I know your thoughts on the Part three o C reunion.

00:52:31
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00:52:34
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00:52:38
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00:52:42
Speaker 4: Bye.

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00:52:53
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