Johnny Shows His Vulnerable Side

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Speaker 1: What's up, happy, our listeners, We're back and I'm Becca Kuprin and I'm Michelle Young, and we're so excited for this week to talk all about the episode of the Batcherettes, of course, and the ongoing journeys of our girls, Gabby and Rachel. And it's week five of the Batchearette, which it's going fast. It always does, but I feel like it's going extra fast. But I'm so happy to be back with you, Becca, because this week we are talking to Johnny, who is the man who proved you can be vulnerable and still fun during his one on one date with Gabby. Yes, Michelle, I'm so excited to have Johnny on because you just said it best. He proved he could be vulnerable and open up and talk about some deeper, heavier things but also still have fun, and I expected nothing less. I feel like that date started off on such a fun fresh foot for both of them, so I can't wait to pick his brain. And we did see some I don't ever want to say drama go down on this week's episode, but like we didn't see this little switchery with Logan, and because Johnny was actually there living with the guys, and when this firsthand, I'm so excited to pick his brain on all of that. But before we bring him on, Michelle, you are glowing today. You have this like fresh summer face. I feel like, So I want to know, because I'm coming to Minnesota this week, what's good back in the homeland. Okay, I will say that I think I've heard this from multiple people, but this is probably the best Minnesota summer that I've had since in my twenty nine years old living. It's just been the weather. But every single day it's like blue skies, sunny. We don't have that gloomy weather. It rains, but it rains at night when you're sleeping, so you like have that sound noise to fall asleep in. And it's just I've been able to get out on the lakes so much because the weather has been consistent and you know, working out. Hey, yeah, at the pool, it's been it's been really nice and needed. Yes, exactly. Well, I can't wait. I'm hoping, you know, I'm doing like a little quick family trip with my mom and sister before my sister has her second baby, so it's like a little girl's weekend. But maybe if I can sneak away you and I can grab a drink or something. Which love that I don't know, Okay, I don't know if you're like as big of a foodie as I am. But like every time I know I'm coming back to Minnesota, I stack up on reservations where it's like, Okay, I have to go for sure to Barlagrassa because it has the best pasta. I have to go to Lynden Hills to like my favorite bookstore, to get smash and shows ice cream. Like I want to know and if anyone either lives in Minnesota or if you're if you happen to visit there, Michelle, what are your favorite go to spots? Oh see, I feel like I don't even want to share that because then I don't want people to go there, Like I want it to be a favorite, Okay, the best place? You know, yeah, one or two? I am. I'm very much a huge foodie like you Becca. Like if i know that I'm going to be going to an area, I look at the menu days before to kind of look at everything. But I feel like I'm you know, in Minnesota, I go to Cove and Wizetta on the Lake like that is my spot during the summer, just because I love the like the patio and that area, and then any chance I get to eat on the lake. Wait, have you had Cove's big ass ice cream cake? I probably had nearly everything on the Cove menu. That's okay. So you're coming back to Minneapolis, Minnesota, you're spending some time here, but you have a lot going on where you're at catch us up to speak to say the least. Um, I don't even know where to begin. So, I mean, we've talked about this before Thomas night. Are you know fresh in this new house? Um total demolition mess. He the entire house is complete, letely gutted. There's not one room where we're not doing work. It's been a struggle, and I mean, I don't know about anyone out there. Like I'm very organized, very type A Like I need to have a proper place and space and everything for everything, and I don't have that currently, So I am losing my gosh, dang mind. I Like I joke with Thomas. I love him so much, but I'm like, I might divorce you before we're even married because this has been such a crazy time. But but it's actually really cool. Too, because Thomas is so in his element. He is so great about building and fixing and working on projects and like having this vision of this house come together. So it's been really cool to see the baby steps and like see him, I mean honestly, to see him get like down and dirty and sweaty. It's a sexy pin Oh yeah, but Wan who can build. It's so nice and I like, I honestly like should not complain because he has been so incredible and it's gonna be lovely once it's finally done and we make this space our own. But it's a process of getting there. So that's why I'm happy I have outlets like this where we can have our girl chat and do the podcast and get away from all that craziness. So that's done. Five episode of Extra Chips. We'll take some extra chips for you. I might not even leave min I might come back this week and just stay there for the next couple months until this is done. Like I canceled. It's really weird. Sorry, Thomas, you can watch the dogs for the next three months right while you're really in a house. Cool, thanks brother, buddy. No, but it's yeah, it's been interesting and speaking of interesting. I want to pick your brain on this week's episode, because, as you said, it's week five, we're halfway through. I don't know about you. Were you shocked when I think it was Rachel at the beginning of the episode said like, hometowns are in two weeks. Yeah, that caught me off guard. I actually rewinded a little bit to make sure that I heard everything correctly. Yeah, two weeks. I feel like we just got started to same two weeks we're already in hometown So I'm my damn, this season is flying by. Yeah. Yeah, that caught me off guard. And that was like a reality check of you know, just kind of really looking to see, like which conversations still need to be had, and wow, I just it's fine, they're just getting started. Um okay. I think the main like one of the main themes of this week or like you know, things that took place is with Logan, and we kind of saw the start of it last week as he's he was in Rachel's group dating Rachel, but still like thinking about Gabby. I mean, this week we saw the full switcher rou and we don't necessarily need to get into all of those details, but I actually want to ask you this, Michelle, because I'm you know, as I'm watching, I'm putting myself back in the mindset of the back and like, if I was in this position, how would I react? How would I handle things? Would I do things the same or different? So, if Logan came to you, say you were along with Rachel and you were both Batchlrettes. If Logan came to you and was like, I am leaving Rachel's group and I want to still pursue things with you because I can't get you out of my mind, what would you have done? I honestly would have handled it exactly how Gabby did that in that situation is just her navigating everything with Rachel to make sure that they have that open line of communication, especially in such a unique situation where there's going to be like a lot of sticky, sticky situations when you have two different bachelorettes in this episode. And I'm kind of actually surprised that it didn't happen before this point, and I'm also surprised that, yeah, that we just didn't see more of it. And so the fact that Gabby paused to go speak to Rachel to get her thoughts on it and really work through it, because this isn't something that anybody has been through before, and so it's like there's not a real book on how to navigate it. But I guess my question is would you have kept Logan around? But I mean it does depend on the connection, Like that's the hard part is like it truly does. If you have a deep connection with that person you at week five, you actually feel that that person like you were sad that you weren't continuing to date them, then maybe I would possibly consider it. But I don't know. Okay for me, Okay, so here's where I sug Here's where I struggle with it. My connection with that person would have already had to be at a very deep point to keep that person around. But that being said, if I felt that deeply and then they didn't, then I don't know. Back, I don't know what are your thoughts, like, how would how would you navigate this? I mean, I agree with you. I think the fact that Gabby went to Rachel and was able to have this conversation a shows the level of respect that they have for each other, but also just their friendship, right, Like It's another key moment throughout the season that we've seen time and again of like they have each other's backs and they truly care about each other. But I personally don't think I would have kept Logan around, and I'll tell you why, for a couple of reasons. One, he's already missed two vital weeks and time is really of the essence, and as we know, we always talk about how important time is, and he's already missed two out of the five weeks. So there's already two out of five weeks that have been missing time with each other, right and times of the essence. And also I had something similar happened on my season where a guy got injured on a date, had to go home, had to have surgery. He was away for a couple of weeks, and I was actually offered the opportunity to bring him back, and it was I think the same type frame week five or six, and I said no because I at that point with the men I had been dating and that I had formed connections with them that I was invested with, I was like, I can't do this to these men who I care about, because I know that it's going to backtrack a bit with them. And so I think and again like if there's a connection there, explore it. Like I'm just giving my opinion and what I would do, which is not the same as what somebody else would do, And that's okay. I think the way everything was handled was very mature, very respectful, truly the best way anything could have transpired in this scenario. I just wouldn't have done the same thing probably. I just it's so hard when you're not there, you know, right, you just gotta follow your gut. But would Yeah, but how I mean, like for you personally if that were to happen, Like I'm sure you, because you're an empathetic person, you would feel for the men that you were already so involved with. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I definitely would. I think I have a hard time jumping into that because like in my head, I'm thinking, okay, so if like Logan were to come back, and I'm like, I just that's you know, that's I can't put myself in the pisos because I'm like, I don't I'm not dating Logan, so who knows, well, okay, who knows. But I do get what you say. I do get what you're saying. It's just it really depends though, because it's all factors of what's going on, because all factors of like what you know, how the other guys are handling, how your other relationships are progressing, how maybe they're not progressing. So it really, it really truly depends on your relationships and what you have with all the other people. Yeah, was there any other key moments that really stuck out to you that you want to highlight right now? I just feel like Gabby is in a place where she really is challenging herself to open up and in this path like this past week, I felt like I got to see that even more so because you are getting into um, you know, the really deep conversations and and and she has been very vocal about that's really difficult for her. But anytime she's speaking, it's just she's able to really speak clearly about her emotions and identify her emotions. And I think she's doing a wonderful job challenging the men then to do that as well. And they, you know, are able to sit down and open up and feel like they have like um almost like the structure of the conversation, if that makes sense, like structure be able to open up more and get into deeper, heavier things. Exactly. Yeah, I think the definitely thing that I enjoyed so much this week. Um, okay, before we bring on Johnny, I have one final question about not even this particular episode, but mainly this episode, but everything leaving up. Is it just so apparent to you who Rachel's already know who her final two are going to be just from the interactions? It is the wait, you tell me, what are you so apparent? What are you looking at? I think just everything. I think her conversations, the way she talks about two men, in particular, the amount of screen time that two men in her group of guys. It's just like, I'm going into screen time and everything and I'm gonna but I'm gonna and I'm gonna say this once again. I say it week after week. I truly don't know who either of these women end up with. I don't know. I don't even know who is going to be final four at Hometowns, but like, I'm pretty sure I know who will be final two for Rachel. It is so apparent. How do you feel about the final two? Oh? I mean, like, what do you wanna do you want to identify or do you wanna do you want to identify the final two or now? Well, I will kind of. I mean, if I'm just I'm just prefacing this with this is just my This is just my opinion and from what I've seen. But right now, out of Rachel's what six or seven men left, she is all in Untino and Zach one thousand percent. I am calling it with just my own thoughts and opinions and being a critical thinker. Here it's those two and there's no competition. I wouldn't necessarily don't agree say that I agree with you at this point. Yes, I agree with you at this point. Do I know that things can drastically change? Yes? Who knows? Logan maybe trying to switch back and that times send them home. Rachel actually raised Chris back and begins to date him, is what you're saying, right, Okay? All right? So I said that's something anything can happen, but anything can truly happen on this show, I really can. All right, Well, Michelle, I mean, like always, I could chat with you forever, but we do have a guest ready and waiting, and it's time to bring on Johnny. He and Gabby's connection went to a whole other level this week during their first one on one together and again Michelle, he was vulnerable, he was fun. It was like the full combination of everything we love to see when people are dating on this show. So everybody please help us. Welcome Johnny to Happy Hour. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Johnny. We are so excited that you are here with us. How are you doing? Thank I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for having me. This is amazing. Absolutely, Johnny. I need to know where are you from? Because I'm getting like Jersey vibes a little bit, But I no, you are. It's I'm from Jersey. But yeah, look at that you look me up. I know you. No, he's where no offense. I don't want any of you guys up until I know like you're the one at the very very end. Yeah no, um, yeah, I moved from Jersey and I was around fifteen, So there's a little Jersey twining in there. Okay now yeah, yeah for sure. But before we get into everything, how did you come about on this show? How did you actually get to be on the back Stort? How did I guess be on the TV show of the back stat Um? Yeah? Um, I actually, you know, I want to call it a breakup, but I kind of was in a relationship that didn't work out, and um, when it ended, I was kind of bummed, and my friends were kind of over me moping around. They're like, we gotta get this kid somewhere. So my one buddy decided to submit me and then um, yeah, the rest is history. Were you surprised, like did they tell you did find that was a complete surprise. Yeah. When they reached out and I was like this is not real and I was like, hey, do we know anything about this? And they were like you're going on. I'm like, okay, let's do this. I want to get into There's a lot to impact with what you just said about, like how you actually got on the show, like you ended the relationship, which is, I know, something you and Gabby had talked about. But starting out just fresh Night one taken back to rite out of the Limos. Oh, yes, I mean we all we all say everyone nervous. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the one word everyone uses fresh and Limo is blacked out. But when you came out right away, were you pretty much fully focused on Gabby or were you like both of these women are beautiful. They're both great. Let's explore. Yeah, for the most part, Um, you know, I didn't have any expectations or anything, and I thought they were both beautiful. So I feel like I was going to go off of who I vibed with more, and you know, I kind of left that door open for you know, up until the first group date. And then, um, as you guys saw, I got the group date Rose, and I think that's when I knew. I was like, Gabby's all the way we did see the group date rowse Um the Speedo pageant right, Oh my god, Yeah I did that. I forgot. I'm so proud. I worked my ass off for that. I'm good. I resolutely I wish Right now, He's like, I actually have that group date Rose right behind me. I speed You kept it. It's hanging on his bulletin board behind him every course. I kept it. Yeah, I got it. Okay, but will you wear it whether you were on vacation to a beach. That's done. I hung that up. Yeah, He's like, you might see more of it one day, who knows that? So Okay, you won the first group date Rose. It was exciting, but then you had a few weeks. It wasn't until Belgium that you got the first one on one. So in between that time, when you were on group date after group date, at any point were you feeling kind of down of like when is it going to be my turn? I need that time, or like that that weird limbo phase before you got that one on one, like where was your mind at? Yeah, no, for sure, I think you know, I explained it as kind of like an emotional roller coaster, because you know there's potential and you know that this could you know, be your person, but you're just getting these small foundations. So you know, it was just it was small foundations that we kept building and building, and I was super upset, you know, every time I didn't get the one on one. But I just knew when I did get that one on one, we had build such a solid small foundation that it would be that much more amazing. And that's how I kind of looked at it through the whole process, because even I think this week, Gabby talks about how like your confidence, you know, you're the cool guy, you have confidence. Was there ever a moment though, where you started to doubt that and just feel uneasy before that one on one for sure. I feel like, I mean I kind of come into this whole thing not feeling so confident, and you know it's hard when there's thirty three, you know, amazing people there. So you know, I think you feel that the whole time. At least I did. And yeah, I lost checking the question. I apologize. So just to add on kind of to what Michelle was asking, I mean, I I was in your position many moons ago where I will remember, I mean I had a slightly different position than you because I actually got the very first one on one, but then there were I think it was like a five week span where I didn't get another one on one day and't have that like real alone intimate time with somebody, and people in between come back from these dates and they're like, oh, I established such a start connection, Like I'm totally into this girl, like there is something there. She could be my potential partner. And for you, I mean, you didn't get that one on one for five weeks. I'm sure you're seeing guys come home week after week. No. If you you definitely get in your feelings, you know, and then you're talking to them and you kind of realize the amazing time they had, and then you start to feel like you're you know, like you did build this crazy good foundation. Then you're like, okay, well, now where's it going. You know, you kind of ride this roller coaster up and now you're like coming back down, so you're kind of just waiting for that up again. So yeah, like I said, it was an up and down roller coaster with me, and I would go through there was days where I felt, you know, awful, where I was like, Okay, maybe I'm not the one and maybe I don't deserve to be here. And then you know, I speak with her for ten or fifteen minutes, I'm like, no, one hundred percent or something there, let's keep going. Yeah, that's amazing though, even just because it's such an unnatural situation, you two always seem to almost just not miss a beat, and so you finally receive your one on one. Oh yeah, what do you say? Wait, what do you say? Miss a beat? I'm just pictures the part where you guys are on your dates, smacking each other the leaves, like, definitely did not miss any beats in that moment. Terrible. Yeah, well, you have to be enjoying yourself in that moment. Yeah, I like Loki loved it. But you know we're not going to talk about that. Gabby. The little freak flag was raised for sure. My wait, wait wait, wait wait did you just did you just say freak flag? Yeah, the freak flag was raised a little bit when Gabby was like, hit my face, so ridiculous. We had fun. We can't blushing, Johnny, I'm blushing right now. I'm so nervous. Don't be nervous. No more talking about we'll bring it back, We'll bring it back. But okay, so you finally get your one on one. How excited were you when you finally heard your name? Like you are finally going on this one on one day with Gabby. Oh my gosh, it means the world. You know. I feel like you know that that's the goal of the whole time. We're trying to get that one on one time and solidify you know, our place, and um yeah, you want it sooner than later. But you feel like you feel like you're on top of the world. Where did your mind go with it all? Like what did you have questions? Okay, I want to talk to her about this, this and this, Like did you have things that you for for the most part, yeah, um, every time we you know, like I said, every time we hung out, it was a small foundation, so I was just looking to kind of dive a little deeper than just the surface. Um. But also I know, you know, both Gabby and Rachel kind of you know, went through it last season, so I did, you know, for the most part, want to show Gabby a good time. So you know, for the first part, I really just wanted to focus on having fun with her. And you know, I feel like you kind of build that friendship first and then you know, those relationships are stronger, you know when you do have a friendship, and you know, so that's all I felt. It seems like you had a level of comfortability. Oh my gosh, am I saying that comfortability I can comfortability. Wow, I cannot talk ever. But it seems like like you just said, you built the solid foundation, and you guys did a couple interesting things on that date. You not only went to beer tasting, but you had this like spa like moment I think in a beer tub what like during the day. Portion was the craziest thing I've ever done in my entire life. And you were drinking it we were not supposed to be drinking it, but that was just me and Gabby just doing our thing. Was What was your favorite part overall of that one on one with Gabby? Oh my god, Um, I don't know. It was all amazing, But I think it's like the little moments like when I first saw her when I was walking to the farm. I think that was special. Um. And then m the date the night portion, you know, just kind of in like that bruise Times Square area and running around with her. I thought, you know, it just felt like a movie. So those like little moments like I'll remember, Yeah, so special for sure. And there's like those Okay, so now that you've gone through the show, you know that you can have fun with Gabby during the day. The day portion is all about laughing, doing whatever fun activity, uncomfortable, pushing outside your comfort zone. And then you get into the night portion and you do have those more serious conversations. And that was something that we hadn't seen between you and Gabby quite yet. Is that something like being that type of vulnerable of getting below the surface. Is that something that's incredibly important to you what I've learned from the show. Honestly, Yeah, I think it's something that you know, I really look look for in a relationship and I'm not super vulnerable, so it was hard for me. It was super hard to get like that, But you know, it's something I'm definitely working on still. And I think there's a whole process of falling in love, and I think, you know, there's certain steps you need to take, like building that connection, that friendship, and then getting vulnerable with someone and just letting them see all of you. So I think you know I was, I was trying to go through the process when I was doing that. Yeah, And I want to actually commend you for getting to that point to be able to open up about your past struggles with anxiety and depression, because I think it's a lot more common than people ever realize. And I love now that the fact is kind of highlighting those conversations a bit more where people don't necessarily feel like they're alone. And the point to that is, like you and Gabby were both able to share very similar stories about it. How did that moment feel when you were sitting there talking to her and opening up about these struggles. How did it feel to finally be able to let your guard down and I'm sure trust her a little bit more with that information. It was amazing. It was like I said it was, it was trusting the process and it kind of just made me realize, like this could you know, this could be real and there's potential and it's something I have never done with anyone, So you know, it kind of just put her in the light even more for me. And then the fact that she kind of reciprocated it and you know, kind of threw it back at me, I was like, Okay, there's people who are out here who feel the same, and you know, it's like you should never be too scared to you know, kind of work those things out. So it felt really good and I mean, she's made me a whole different person. I do completely disagree with back up, because not only are you being vulnerable, but you're being vulnerable in a situation where you know there's going to be other people watching it. Yeah, it's a lot, and it's really hard, and you don't know how Gabby is going to receive it, and you don't know necessarily how it's going to come off, and that is a lot, but there are so many benefits of opening up and for me, when you said it, you know, working you don't need to be scared. It's almost you can be scared. Just don't let that stop you from opening up. But you let it stop you though, right, No, No, because you know, I thought, if if I'm really here and I'm really trying to figure this out with this person, like you gotta go for it. You can't just hold back. And you know, and I saw that, you know, she was cool with me and she would have my back, so that was cool with it. But scared shitless, no doubt. Yeah, Well I get it. I get it too, and even now, like it's one thing to be having those conversations in front of the person that you're dating months ago when you're filming, and it's going to probably be a whole different ballgame for you now that it's airing and the world is watching you back. And I really hope that and I am pretty confident to say that, I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of support behind you and a lot of people reaching out who have been through something similar and they thank you for being open because now they maybe feel like they can. And so I want to know if you're comfortable talking about it. We Michelle and I and I'm sure our listeners would love to know kind of how you've dealt with these struggles throughout your life or what tools that you have learned within maybe recent months of how to help you cope for sure. Yeah. Well, first off, I think my mom is a huge person in my life. So anytime I'm feeling like this, I definitely bounce things off my mom. So she's been a huge tool with just kind of you know, when I feel down or you know, even depressed, just kind of speaking with someone and then don't be afraid to seek help. You know. I've seen therapists and it's a huge help. And I think, you know, it's a tool that I'm trying to use more and more as you know, I get older, and I just don't care what people think. And I think that's like the biggest part. Yeah, I mean, get the help you need and just you'll feel a hundred times better because there's certain things and there's there's there's reasons why you feel like this, and I feel like they're underlining and sometimes you don't always know, and there's people out there that can help you. So for the longest time, I kept it bottled up, and I think it's ruined relationships and and yeah, I just feel so much better now that I can kind of just take care of it and just not care what people think. Yeah, I love everything that you just said, I think. I mean, kudos to you for speaking out about it. I mean, I personally have found therapy life changing. It's so incredible. And there's I think the pastor's been such a stigma around it, you know, where it kind of receives a negative connotation, which is so so so not the case. And if it can help you live better mentally, physically, whatever, emotionally, anything, go for it. And so thank you for sharing. You'll be a hundred times better if you just seek the help A thousand thousand percent I said, struggling or not. Though, struggling or not, you don't have that struggle with therapists, a life coach, anything, right. My therapist is like my best friend I ever on speed dial. Yeah, everyone likes great. I'm like, what's up? Stuff? Can me tell you? For you? Watching everything back and watching yourself, um go through just these entire first five weeks. Um, it's weird for sure? Is that a correct word? Weird? Um, it's weird for sure, but um, it's like a growing process too. I feel like watching it and kind of just replaying everything and you know, the whole, the whole, you know, experience is a process, and it's definitely a growing process for sure. So um, I enjoy it. It's definitely weird to watch, but at the same time, I feel like I'm learning so much from it. Yeah, I love Michelle. I love that question, and I want to follow up to that, because every everyone who's a contestant, I think can attest to this at some point. It's like when you're filming and you're living it in the moment, it's one thing, right, like that's your experience, it's in real time, but now months later when you watch it back, it's vastly different. When you're living it right, when you're in the moment, you know, you have your one perception in your reality of everything that you're going through, and then months later when it airs back, there's so much more that you're probably seen at this point that you're hearing that you maybe didn't know what was happening in the moment. What is that like, Like, is there a lot more that you're learning about Gabby or the men that you didn't necessarily see in real time months ago. Yeah, for sure. I think there's you know, there's a lot of interviews we didn't get to see that Gabby went through, and there's a lot of emotions that we didn't get to see Gabby go through. So it's super upsetting at times, you know, even just the guys in the house, you know, I feel like you see a lot more that you don't see, And there's a lot that goes on behind closed doors that you know. As much as we already gather, there's a lot of the times we aren't together. So yeah, you learn a lot about everyone, even yourself. Yeah, it is just it is such an odd situation. It's a steep win and curb that honesty. Even Patrol Nation audience won't understand to a certain degree of experiencing it, like Becca said, and then also experiencing watching it back, having everybody watch it back, and then having social media involved. But I do have to ask such and geage just a little bit. Okay, when you found out that Logan was leaving Rachel's team or made a decision to pursue Gabby, that is something that you guys were aware of and that you did experience to a certain extent. What were your thoughts on that? Um, I'm gonna be you know, one hundred percent honest. Logan definitely leads with his heart and what he did, what he felt. But at the same time, on our side, we knew that we have gone through so much with Gabby already, so we were very much like, well, you know, he did what he thought was best for him and and that's amazing, But we were also like, well, now we're going to lose someone who you know, who's been with Gabby through the whole process. So it was very up and down, very up and down. But you know, yeah, it was a reird situation for sure. Is that? But okay, so it's it's the first season with two Batch slorettes, you guys talk. Is that something that was spoken about at the house. That is for sure a possibility that that could happen, for sure, very realistic. It's realistic. It's a possibility. I think when they announced two Batch serettes, the first thing that goes to your head was like, okay, well, what if you're into both, or what if both like you, or what if you make a connection with both of them, And you know, I don't think it's a test to Logan's character. I think if anything, it shows, you know, maybe he was a likable person and both these girls did have feelings for him. You know, I'm playing Devil's advocate, but well, and that was something that was said is both women. I think Gabby was like he was the only guy that there was that overlap that we were both into him. I feel like the other men it was more clear cut, and with him, they were both like, he's a cool dude. We're kind of vibing with him for sure. And you and you know, it's not just us too. We thought, you know, what if they were into both of us and or you know, both of them into one of us, and we knew that it would happen with someone eventually it had to, So you know, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. I just think, you know, maybe Logan is a likable person and these two girls. You know, I thought he was a cool dude for sure. So Okay, the way that the Rose ceremonies are structured, it's because there are two leads. It's slightly different from what we've seen. So once you guys received the rows, you go down into a separate room, so you don't know necessarily who's going to be walking down the stairs, who's going to be going to the other groups men, you know, who got the rows with the other woman. So when it was Logan who got the last rose from Gabby and he walked down and we saw Mario and Michael go home, what did that feel like? Because I'm sure even if it sounds like, Logan got along with most of you, and he's a pretty cool dude, but at the same time, I feel like there's still this level of respector this like precedent set of like, you know, Mario and Michael were here since the beginning with her, and they were all in with her, and we've spent five weeks together with Gabby. So when you saw Logan as the last person to walk down the stairs, what was the collective in that room? I mean, it's exactly how you put it. It was mixed emotions for sure, because Logan did get along with everyone, and he was very much a shoulder for people to lean on, you know, and Logan and me are the same age. He's twenty five, twenty six, and I considered him an older brother because anything I need to talk about he was there, so he got along with one. But at the same time, you know, Michael and Mario have been there and you know they were like like brothers too, So it was very strange and um, it was mixed. It was mixed emotions, truly, like the best way to put it. You know, no one was too happy, no one was too upset, but it was just very like dull. You know, there was like an airy didn't I don't ever look at like the legit not. I mean, I guess the logistic is maybe the correct word. But this is a really fast process as it is, and so like when you're having to choose teams, you're losing out on like getting to know somebody, and you know, if you do want an engagement at the end or whatever you're looking for, you want it to be successful. Did anyone on Gabby's side really feel that Logan would just not have enough time to get to know Gabby and vice versa because of this late switch. Yeah, yeah, it did feel like that too. It also felt like, you know, it was really late in the process and it would be hard to you know, kind of go through with the whole thing. Knowing you only had this amount of time left. Um. But also I think more so for Logan, it was just like, what if I didn't do it? And I know a lot of people felt like that. A lot of people did choose one person and they were, you know, saying, how like, well, what if it was her? We never got to experience it. Oh wait, who was saying that besides Logan spilled Ah, that is the piece of information that everyone wants now. So as you were, just as you were just speaking this, that crossed my mind that at this point, I mean, collectively, there's still a decent amount of you guys left. And usually in past seasons there's a lot of drama between the men or at least a couple of the men, and really the season, we haven't seen any of that besides early on with Chris, who obviously left very early. It's mainly were So the drama that we're witnessing is the women trying to feel like, you know, are the men here for me? And are they going to chump ship? It's this is like unlike anything we have ever seen before. It's like, I don't want to say, you're living in a moment right now, Johnny, but you are. And I guess that leads to my question for you, because you were living with all these guys, like, was there any drama between you as individuals that we aren't seeing or was it mainly just like the situation with two leads. Personally, I think it was more so the situation with two leads. I think as a whole of the group really did get along with each other. And it was weird too, because we would sit around like, you know, there's really not a whole lot of drama or beef with anyone, and you know, we didn't. You know, we knew that past season there was crazy drama. So I think it was more so with the leads and kind of just deciding and things like that. But personally me, no, I didn't really have, you know, drama or anything with anyone. A lot of us in the house where you shoulders to lean on. It was just a really good group of guys. Well, I was gonna say, you guys kind of looked out with I know, it's it's weird and no one really knew how to handle it because this is the first time, But you guys really did, I think, I mean, not only with your traveling and living on a cruise ship. But you did luck out with how it's all coming together as a whole. For sure. For sure, it's been an amazing experience. Okay, so you said you've said this about yourself and then as well as logan, just being a shoulder to lean on through this experience is because you're not talking to friends, you're not talking to family, You're truly like going through this very very unique, unique situation. How did you how did you not comfort? I guess maybe comfort? How did you like help men who are leaning on your shoulder but they're also dating the person that you're dating, So how did you handle that? Honestly that I got advice from Gabby on that when we talked, and I'm not sure if they even showed it, but she just told me that you have to compartmentalize, you know, And that was from her, so I kind of took and that was from the beginning. So I took that with me through the whole process. And you know, I've been you know, through relationships and just through things in life to where I thought I had enough knowledge and wisdom to where when people did want to come and lean on me, I was there for them, and you know, we did just compartmentalize, and you know, my relationship with Gabby was separate from everyone else, so I kind of looked at it like that, and and it's such a weird experience because you know, you're dating this girl with thirty three other people. When can you do that? Never'll never get it out of me. It's close book over here. I'm not like that. I'm not like that, But you just have to compartmentalize. And I think you know I would. I would reach that too to everyone there. Just my relationships separate than yours. You know, you may have a different experience with Gabby than I may, so let's just treat it like different relationships and we're all here for each other and whatever they need. You know, I was there. It was a very very good group of people. So you know, who are you out of all of the men, who are you still super close with? Um? You know, me and Logan talk a lot. Um. Eric is like my brother Eric. He's like a Viking um And Quincy. Quincy was literally like from day one. I think I walked in and we just hugged each other just out of nowhere. And Quincy was like he said something He's like, if it doesn't work out with me and Gabby, I want you to meet my family. And I was saying, I got you. Oh I love that. He seems like he had just good energy lifted them funny. Oh my god. Yeah, those three I'm pretty close with for sure. Okay, what about Hayden Um, I'm not really supposed to hate him a whole lot, but no facial expression, hold on something. Okay. I do have a question, and this is not related to really the show, but when you were on your one on one date with Gabby and also at the top of this episode, you had mentioned prior to coming on to the Bachelorette you had just gotten out somewhat recently of a relationship. So I need to ask the hard hitting questions. Number one, how soon was it out of that relationship that you came on the show? And because we've seen this in the past. Two, is there any I want to say, like maybe worry or hesitancy in the back of your mind where it's like your X would come and be like he you know, we've seen shavy shit in the past where he didn't necessarily break up with me, or you know, I thought we were still talking or still together before you left, anything like that that could potentially come out. Um, no, not at all. I think you know, the relationship that I kind of was bummed about, if you want to call it that, I can't give her too much credit. Um, it was like a year before I went on the show. Oh so it was a while, so okay, yeah, yeah, so it was kind of like, you know, and then you go through the process of trying to get on the show, and then by the time like we started filming, it's been maybe a year if that. Okay. I thought when you said when you mentioned it on the show, I was like, oh shit, did he just get out of relationship last week because he ain't ready to get engaged? Well, did come off like it was super soon. But now that I'm even just like watching your body language and how you're experiencing it, it's just more of like you really really cared, you were hurt by it. With me, I didn't. I never dated a lot. You know, I've been like, you know, a month or two month relationships, and you know, I had one serious girlfriend when I was in high school, and then you know, after that was pretty much single and just and then I finally found someone who I was like, okay, I could see myself with this person, and it just went south and I was just like I'm not doing this, like I'm done, like it's not for me. Relationships don't work out, and then you know, I was like, let's give it another shot. But so how daunting was that going from shortish relationships to then potentially being like I could get engaged by the end of this. Well, I think with me, you know, it was more so I have gone through the emotions of what I want and you know, just relationships and just being on dates and just you know, the person I want to be with. So I always said, you know, the next person I do end up you know, calling my girlfriend or whatever, like I'm going to marry that person, because I didn't want to waste any time. And I was just like, I know what I want now, Like if if I don't see something serious or like a real commitment, like I'm not gonna commit to you. So I always said, you know, if I found that person and the person, the next person I do commit to, like I'm committing to her forever, Yes, and we land on that one. I love a mature man Okay, you just knocked it out of the John I love it swing too that you just stand. I'm like, hey, look at that energy. Look at that energy. You I feel like you relieved. This is like I'm just not can'ting just like I'm done. He's like, oh my god, it's almost done. I feel so happy. Off my shoulders. Okay, heavy hitting questions are over. This one might be tough because you got to kind of keep it short. But we ask every guest on here too, without giving too much away, to give us a teaser of what to expect from the rest of Gabby and Rachel's season. I'm gonna get in trouble. I've been getting in trouble. What can I say? Give it to us. Is the place to do it the rest of the season. H um wild West. I think it gets crazier. Oh, I think. I think there's no idea how I feel about that. I'm just picturing you guys like roaming through Montana on horseback, blowing in the wind, right back on the cruise ship. Let's go turn it around. Well, Johnny, it has been awesome talking with you. We do love our games here on Bachelor Happy Hours. We're gonna do a little getting to know you game, and it's called rapid fire. I want to throw a question at you and you have to answer, like on the spot. So it's gonna be super quick. Ready, I'm really good at this, so let's oh wow, okay, you set it, set the bar, then let up. Are you an early riser or a night owl? Both? Okay? Best dating advice you ever received? Oh what if it can turn out better than you imagine? How do you like the pizza? That is good? Dominum? How do you let you be Chris? Chrispy? For sure? Chris? Okay, what is your signature dance move? You have to show it and tell us? Ye show it. I'm gonna brace something. It's okay? Um like go backflip? Do you have room to do? It? Is it is? It's got your take out, your yourr headphones. That's your dance move. Okay, okay, don't hear them, don't don't show us here. But when we see you at either Mental or the finale, we will be expecting a full black backflip. You'll you'll see a backflip that. What's your favorite curse word? Mmm? What's that one? TikTok? It's like, I don't know. Fuck. What is your guilty pleasure? Flaming out Cheetos? M M. What is your go to karaoke song? So I've done karaoke once and it was fifty cent pimp, So I'm gonna go with that. He actually is good at this game. I like he is the rapid fire, which I appreciate. What is the current screensaver on your phone? My dog passed away? If you could visit anywhere in the world, where would you go? Italy? My family from Italian I've never been. Okay, last one, What is one word I've kind of kind of asked you already this What is one word to describe the rest of the season besides wild West? Because that's stuffically too um hm, and no, come on, I need a good word here. He was gonna say inspirational, Say inspirational, let's do it. Inspiration. You were going to say inspirational art. I think I was gonna say insanity, but inspiration. I was like, I like inspirational better. And then Rebecca said falk and I was like, I was like, I thought, you not wild West an operational same thing we are. So I feel like we're on a whole new level. He just called me Rebecca, which only my mother does Rebecca Rebecca Okay, Jonathan or is it just Johnny? It's John? Yeah, I'm the I'm the third, so I go by Johnny. There's too many of us. It's like a huge, huge Italian family and everyone thinks it's cool to name their kids John. Yeah. I was gonna say this kind of like the Pope, like John Paul the third or something. I don't get it. I guess I have to name my kid John. Yeah, you have a trend going on. Um all right, John the Third before we let you go. It's that you just don't have a filter, and I love it. Take no shit. It is that time to share your rose and thorn of this week's episode or I guess of well, it's not even this episode, right, it's just everything. So up until this point, we want your rose and your thorn. So your best or favorite moment and then the messiest or your least favorite. Um. The rose for me would be a hundred percent walking onto that farm with Gabby, no doubt that, the one on one to the brewery, So that was you know, that was a highlight. I had so much fun. Um and then a thorn. Does it have to be something that you guys saw or can this be like it could be anything anything you experienced, Like we love behind the scenes too, so um yeah, so a thorn for me is right before he flew to Paris, I woke up with like an insane pimple on my neck and like, no, this thing was like Quincy described as being an alien growing out of my neck. So I wore a bandana around my neck through the whole trip to Paris. And we need this on the Bloopers. Someone needs it. They have video footage and me walking around with a bandana tied around my neck. If you were like, what's he trying to of? Like, dude, is this a fashion statement? And I'm like no, there's an alien like in my neck. Wait, we're gonna see actual footage of like guys in a few weeks, like all putting bandanas around their necks just to try to match Johnny. Oh I swear yeah. I had my my Levi jacket with a bandana ty. It looked amazing, but it was prickly to cover up a pinpole that was the size of like an orange. I feel like that's going to be really relatable to anyone who release the footage of all right, well, Johnny, the time has come where we gotta kick you off and keep talking so much fun. I know this was great, Yes see, it wasn't yet bad. I feel like, come on, and you're all kind of nervous or hesitant, and we're also sarcastic though, because so you could have like just not meant that, you know, No, I meant it. She's like, she's like, I hate this kid. No, No, I actually no, I like you. I like you. You have a good head on your shoulders. Kid. You're Dc'm alright, I'm all right. Um well, Johnny, we will see you very soon at either the mentel all or the finale, and we can't wait to see that backflip. But in the meantime, hang in there, have fun watching all of this crazy journey unfold. It was so nice meeting too, and I appreciate you for having me of course, of course, thanks Johnny, take care. All right, Well, that was fun having another one of this season's fellas on with us, and I feel like he got a little bit more comfortable with us as time went on, to like let us guard down, which was fun to see Oh he did. Oh he did with them, but he came, he came ready with the jokes right off the bat. It was just more like the vulnerable you know, got he's got to warm up with us for that, but he'll come roasting us right away. I mean, from what we've seen with him and Gabby already, I mean I feel like that was to be expected. So yeah, you gotta have that if you're gonna if you're gonna date Gabby. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um So, a huge shout out to Johnny, thank you for joining us today, and and even bigger thank you to all of our incredible Happy Hour listeners. We couldn't be here doing this without you and everybody. Don't forget that. You can catch all new episodes of The Boucher at every Monday on ABC or Hulu, and make sure to hit us up on social. 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