We were RIGHT about the Super Mario Movie | Nontendo Podcast #46

Hi, you have a hat? Hey? Yeah, where the Mario?
Right? We all have hats, the Mario brothers. Whoa? How is
huh? Huh? Are you okay? Why I can hear the stream?
I can hear the stream and turn it off. I hear the stream live,
baby, that's a shining example of it being live. I don't know
why you can hear the stream. That's weird. It's because I was.
I had the stream up. I have had too. You went and watched
the movie last night, and Shoot and I went and watched it at midnight,
and Scoot and I have obviously been talking a lot about it, but
we have no idea what you think of the movie. In fact, we
were taking bets on whether or not you would love it or hate it.
Scoot thought you were gonna hate it. Why Why did I think you're gonna
dislike it? Yeah? Uh? In in my opinion, aside from Mario,
I think it's everything you hate in media and in media. Okay,
explain. I want to know more about that. I want to know more
about my thoughts on media through Jackson. Well, I think you know you
like more like artful shots, more like tasteful editing. I think the movie
is very like fast, very zoomer editing, like a TikTok Okay, well
you know, I will I'll I'll say, kind of nailed it. But
I did like it. I did like I like it for what it was.
I want to set this up before we dive, because we have a
lot to say. This is gonna be as much as we can to begin
with spoiler free. We're gonna try and dance around some spoilers at the start
of the conversation so that everyone can listen. But at some point we're gonna
have to unleash, so we'll let you know when we get to that point.
Um, and you can stop listening and just have us on video if
you want, if you're watching. But uh yeah, that was one of
the first things a lot of what of the cinema said as we were walking
out, but I said it as we were sat down in the seat still.
I was like, that felt like a Mister Beast video. It felt
like whoever edited the video they like hired someone from like TikTok or like Mister
Beast's editor, because everything was like pan zoom zoom in quick cuts, like
I I'm know when I'm speed running the Mario Universe. Like the whole thing
went by so quickly. And as we were leaving the theater, we heard
people talking and they were saying things like, man, it never slowed down,
Like I couldn't breathe, Like where was the story? Yeah? There
was? There was There was zero story. And I liked how it we
just get into it? Now? Are we just getting into it now?
Wait? Well, okay, before it, oh my god, before we
get two into it. I have a little story time. I have a
little story time. Um. I was supposed to go I see okay,
no go on. We were supposed to go to La and we were invited
to go watch the premiere of the movie on April first, and we talked
about that we didn't end up going, which is a real bummer. You.
I don't know if you want to say the reason you didn't go.
I know I had commitments. I didn't go because we all went to packs
and then a lot of some people got the VID. I didn't, Kim
didn't. But we had a lot going on this month and they told us
like four days before we needed to go. Yeah, And there was also
that they didn't give me the invitation until like the week off, and then
I looked in the flights and I was like, these flights like a thousand
dollars. I wish I had it gone just because Miamoto was there, Jack
Black was there. It would be really cool. It looked to watch the
movie with Miyamoto. But regardless, because I was going, they sent me
this box, so I still got this box. I saw Greg Miller on
box that and I was like, oh, that looks so cute. So
when you open it, it plays the Mario tune. I don't know if
you can hear that. Yeah, oh well you could barely hear it,
but you have to talk over because Discord's cutting it out. Okay, well
it's playing the Mario tune when you open it. Scout and I opened it
before the movie because we thought, what if there's something in here you need
to watch the movie with, like a fun bucket of popcorn or something.
I don't know, but it just came with some fun stuff. There was.
There was a note the Mario notebook from the movie, the sticker sheet
that they were giving out at the Nintendo World, a bum bag that scoot
water to the movie. We also we wore these hats that they gave us,
which was very nice. There's a there's some cool things in here.
Though. They gave me the Mario van again, which I already bought,
so I gave it to Scoot. But they have both of the Mario and
Luigi figures from that's the van and then yeah, thank you Sco just put
it on the table. I appreciate you, buddy, how thank you these
little these little do hikies. I didn't want to take too much of this
audio time up opening this thing, but I wanted to show the bowser.
I wish Discord did the audio a better justice because because it is really cool.
He opened it up and it plays to marry with him and then this
bowser is sick and apparently if you put water in him, he'll like breathe
smoke or something. Oh my god, that's awesome. Yeah, and he
actually does look really good. A lot of the figures look a little rough.
That looks good. Yeah, no, it's good. This is a
good one. Also, the van's probably going to be really cool, all
right. Cool? Anyway, that was that. Thank you um u universal
triple triple point for sending me this. I really appreciate it. Thank Yeah,
that looks awesome. So why do I get out of that? Uh?
Well, there was also the soap that I bought. Oh yeah,
I went and bought this and then they gave me something. So I also
gave this to Scoot like Mario, oh god, oh god, I shouldn't
have sniffed it that close. If you it's what is a question block?
Smell like instantly. I had to sneeze as soon as they sniffed it.
Pungent, there's a there's one of six different bath bombs inside here, and
you don't know until you get in the tub spread eagle, which you got
a spread eagle for it. Well, because Scoot is do you want to
say? No, it's okay, he's not going to say. And then
here's a little it's a coin soap as well. That's cool, that's cool.
I wish it was. I actually bought some for myself. So those
are Scoots and I figured we could use ours as the TikTok shorts, so
we could we could get Hannah to like melt the bath bomb or something.
Yeah, no, we could do that and then put that on because I
did say we're done with the soap, but come on, this is too
good to not do. Yes, No, that's good. A bit of
a meta thing. You're recording? Are you recording my audio? Because I
wasn't able to do a local recording. I was recording no audio until right
now when you set that. Okay, so we'll be ripping this from YouTube.
Sorry. Wait, can you come to the YouTube and watch though?
We got a cool little auto scene switcher. Sorry, you've been replaced by
robots. I know AI is taking everybody's job. Uh okay, can do
you want the movie now? Yeah? Where do you want? I shut
the hell up? You think everything's about you. I got things too,
asking where do you start to start with? What I got? I got
this cool question blocked in that. I think you went to AMC. Yeah,
fifteen bucks. I didn't need any of the popcorn in it. I
just took this, but I got this hat at packs. We went to
Regal and Scoot complained that the popcorn was called I never want to go back
to Regal. The popcorn was fine, but it was you know, they
don't do the they don't do the butter like liquid butter like. Some of
the popcorn just had butter like infused into There's usually like a little station you
can go to and like get extrab Maybe I didn't. Maybe I didn't do
that. It's been a while since I've been to a theater. Okay,
so let's talk about this. I messed up and I wanted to do the
midnight launch, but I waited too long to get tickets because we didn't know
what the hell was going on. So I did, like, you know,
eight o'clock at night on the day that the movie came out. I'm
so used to go into midnight launches, like back pre COVID, like when
the Marvel movies were a thing, they would do pre launches, so they
would do a midnight but they do it at like seven o'clock the day before,
and that was awesome. And sometimes they do midnight and I remember now
why I liked doing those so much, because if you go in the middle
of the day, especially if it's a movie that's made for kids, which
this absolutely was made for kids. Yeah, all this kids run around,
everybody's talk. Nobody gives a shit about the actual movie. Everyone just w
was just like it's a raucus. It was a frigging Yeah. It wasn't
a fun experience seeing the movie in bad primetime with a pack theater mostly kids.
I will say, though, Kim Scrut and I went to watch it
at midnight, and we all regretted immediately. We were driving to the theater.
It was like a half hour drive because we had to find one that
was doing a midnight launch. We were driving to the theater at eleven thirty
pm. We were all tired, we were all ready for bed, and
we were like, why are we thirty year old adults driving to a movie
theater to watch a Super Mario movie? Like I wanted to bail so many
times, and I just didn't say anything. And then the next day Scoot
said the same thing. You were like, I sat down in that theater
and I was good to go see. That's prime time for me and Hannah.
Twelve o'clock is like our our afternoon, so that's why I was like
down for it. But I couldn't find any theaters around me because I waited
too long, So that suck. We had to do it at eight o'clock
in the at night. But it was fine. Everybody shut up after about
fifteen minutes. But then, you know, the first fifteen ten fifteen minutes
of the movie is like nice set up, you know, nice, let's
stop talking about it. Yeah, we're gonna try not to spoil as much
as we can, but we'll warn you when we start to just go fulham
spoil. Actually, if we want to just get one thing out the way
initially, as far as spoiling things go, I and I have been waiting
to ask you this. I hope you would now agree with me. I
one thousand percent nailed it. We had already seen this movie going into it.
What what are you talking about? When I talked about how through the
trail is and through everything they revealed in the movie leading up to it,
we'd already seen the movie. Oh yeah, yeah, the whole Yeah,
most of it was well, but here's the thing. There was there was
no story. There was there was a story in the beginning, and then
there was just action for an hour, just an hour of action. It
was bokended by like a little bit of story and that and that the conflicts
that happened throughout the way weren't really like things. It's it's not the it's
not that this happened, therefore this happened. It was this happened, and
then this happened, and then then happened, and then this happened, and
it would just never ended until it's not. There was zero story. Yeah,
there was zero depth in this movie, which is I was about like
half an hour into the movie. I was like, Oh, this isn't
for me. This is a kids movie. I have a lot of thoughts
here, but I want to I want to still touch on Yeah, the
trailers literally everything we saw, everything down to the fake commercial that they put
out with the number that you could call that we thought was so cool.
Everything was part of the movie. And the only parts of the movie that
weren't shown through trailers was the very start in Brooklyn, the very end,
which we want to talk about yet, and then some of the Key Kong's
area, like from Donkey Kong's town. Other than that, you can piece
together this whole movie through the trailers that we saw. Like and another thing
is the trailers were like two or three minutes long, and they were pretty
pretty edited down versions of the entire scenes. So like when Mayo gets spat
out of the tunnel and then goes off with Toad, that was condensed down
to about two minutes, and in the movie it was like five minutes.
So you're kind of just seeing like the extended cut of the of the trailers
that you saw. They didn't spend more than five minutes anywhere. They just
went flying. They never stopped without without spoilers until the end. I would
say there was one scene that wasn't in the trailers that was like a cool
surprise. It was like, Oh, that's that's cool they did that.
There was a lot of uh, you know, oh, there was a
lot of stuff for like, like a lot callbacks. There was a lot
of yeah, there's a lot of moments all over the place. It was
fan service the movie, which was great, and I appreciated that. And
that's why I think I liked the movie a lot because four seconds I was
like, oh I know that, Oh I know that. Oh that's cool.
But otherwise there's there's no story. It's just it's just doing an action
thing. I think that's why there's a huge disparity between the critic version of
the reviews and then the user reviews the viewer reviews. I think both are
correct in a weird way. I think the critics absolutely nailed it, but
then the users, the people watching it that want to go see a Mario
movie out also nailing it because like the movie is for us, it's for
the Mario fans, and they absolutely crushed that with the fan service, like
you tweeted, you know, like there's a scene in Mario's bedroom where there's
a picture of F zero on the wall behind him, and through the whole
scene, I'm like school and like I was loving the scene because of that.
But it's going to be there's gonna be YouTube videos, Oh yes,
references yeah, yeah, absolutely things you missed a BuzzFeed article. But if
you're a movie critic and you're sat there watching that scene, you're like,
what's the exposition here? Why are we in this bedroom? Like what's the
point? Like where we going? Harry up? Come on? Like,
I like, there's nothing there for you if you're trying to watch a movie.
But if you're trying to find Mario Easter eggs, like you're having a
blast. Yeah, you're a Mario fan, you're gonna love this. Yeah,
so let's talk about the rotten tomatoes. We have the audience. Wait,
the critics score was fifty. The audience score I remember seeing ninety eight
percent. I don't know why it dipped down the ninety six. Yeah,
now it's now it's hidden I think when the Mario Movie tweeted it, it
was around nineties, really high. It was one hundred for a hot minute,
and then it kind of dripped down to like ninety something. Yeah,
they knew what they were doing. I mean, I I it's I don't
know about the ninety I don't know if I'd go that high as a fan
service movie and a fun Mario movie. If you just like take a Mario
game, a Mario franchise and make it a movie, I'd probably give it
like seventy eighty percent. But if you would to say, like, how
does this stack up as a movie? They I would agree with the critics.
I think they really rushed through anything that would make it considered a good
movie. I would give it a solid eighty three percent. Yeah, that's
what I would say, because I myself, Yeah, I enjoyed myself.
Like I said, about like halfway through the movie, I was like,
God, slow down, give me something to think about, Like you're just
shoving things in my face. I need like a breather, you know.
But again, the movie's not for me. If you if you sat a
four year old down and asked him to rate it, you know, those
are the critics, but also Charlie Day said his biggest critic is going to
be a middle aged man in his basement, and he's right, while I
am side in my basement. But hey, I'm not his biggest critic because
he was one of my favorite parts of the movie. Childie Day absolutely nailed
Ludi j Yes, so all of the I liked all of the performances.
I think. I actually my biggest concern was gonna be Chris Pratt, and
I thought he was fine. I thought he was He did nothing to me
that stood out. I feel like some of the other performances really stood out.
He was just kind of there. But it wasn't bad, it wasn't
off putting. I wasn't thinking about Chris Pratt the whole time. It's just
it's easier for me to look at characters like Luigi and I think of like
monologues like when he's getting his mustache pulled, really excellent delivery. I think
about. Obviously, Bowser was literally just Jack Black, like we may as
well just call that character Jack Black and like something to his voice. But
I liked it. They made it, yeah, like like they gave it
reverb or something. It just great. He sounded great, and he had
stand out moments like his song, his songs he sings in the movie.
Yeah, when that happened, I was I went to Hannah and I was
like, do you think they just do you think that was on the script
or did he just do that in the vocal booth? And then and then
they wrote a whole thing around it, and like even even Keegan, I
guess Toad has to really stand out moments where he sounded really like Toad and
then like funny moments where he got really serious and like he's like, I'm
a warrior. Whatever that moment was, I can't think of one for Mario,
like one standout great performance Mario moment, and it was obvious, very
vanilla. All the other characters carried it. Yeah. I thought Chris Pratt
did exactly what Mario needs to do in the games and just that's just b
Mario, which is just being okay and it's like solid watch him. Can
I I want to talk about a spoiler adjacent with his accent because they they
mentioned it at the start. Do you think that's safe to talk about?
Save it? Because because a lot of this stuff is is references that people
want to be surprised about. Okay, then we will save this for the
spoiler discussion, but I will say that they did explain away his lack of
an accent at the start kind and I liked it well, but anyway,
we'll get to it. And I liked it. I liked the explain I
liked all of the performances, with the exception of one that I'm really disappointed
about. I guess the best character. Yeah, well you disappointed in yeah,
cranky Cong yep, yeah, because he's the best character at fred Armist.
This is the best character actor on the cast. And his voice was
so annoying and I was weird. I guess that was on purpose, but
he has so much better range than that. I don't know why they went
with that voice. It was every time he opened his mouth, I was,
I was, I cringed. It didn't really sound like Cranky Kong to
me. It sounded I don't know what he was doing. He wasn't Cranky
Kong. He was a loof cong the whole time. He was whimsical whimsical
Cong. Yeah, he just kind of went through movies like he sounded like
he didn't really like care. What was happening. He wasn't really cranky in
my opinion. Also, like no character development on any of the characters.
He literally went from you are not getting my okay, I don't want to
give a spoiler. Yeah there was. There was zero character development, and
I wanted more of that. I wanted more of a story. But again,
it's a kids movie. You sit a kid down in front of an
animated movie, you want them to be blasted with actions so that they don't
want to stop watching. Yes, that was the that was the Zoomer edit.
That was just constant, like let's just keep these kids interested. I
kind of I kind of get it. But that's why I liked the start
so much, because the first ten minutes in Brooklyn, there was like a
ton of character development. The pacing was slower um Like, again, not
too many spoilers, but you meet Mario's family and like, the whole setup
is really organic. I really was really enjoying it. I was like,
Wow, we really have something here. I think this movie is going to
be really cool. Yeah. And then right as they hit the mushroom King
and it was like bing bang bulled right to the end. Yeah, and
yeah, I was like that's another thing I hate the what is it called
Iszakai like trope where they get blasted into another world where people get sucked.
You get you follow like you have a main character and they're in the real
world so we can relate to them, and then they get shoved into a
different world and then you're it's supposed to give you something to relate to that
you follow along. I hate that trope because we don't really need someone to
relate to, just give us a relatable characters in that world. Put it
like, Mario's existed for thirty five or whatever years and we've never needed an
explanation for where he's come from. We've always just been fine with it.
So like, I think it's I think it's lazy to take someone and put
it put it to take someone in our world and throw them in another world
and use them as a vessel for the story. But I think they gave
me what I wanted at the end. Yeah, well it is. It
is also kind of the Canton story as well. They were just kind of
retelling the initial story, but well, the canon Mario story is all over
the place. There's like but I guess kind of like kind of like the
most like presumed story. I guess, like because if you were to ask
me, like make a Mario movie like the Bass Mario movie script, I
would be like, Oh, Mario gets sucked into the Mushroom Kingdom or like
ends up in the Mushroom Kingdom and then has to like defeat Bowser, And
that's really like what the whole movie is. The only thing they really tried
to flip on its head was obviously who the damsel in distresses, which in
this case is Luigi rather than Peach. Yeah, that's obvious from the trailers
and stuff. I appreciate that. Yeah, so I I liked that because
Peach was great. No, she was fantastic. Um. I want to
say as well, leading into our title, that we were right about the
Super Mario movie and you talking about like being sucked into another world. This
was my theory from the very start, Like as soon as they reveal the
cast of characters, and I was like, man, these characters have never
done voice acting character work before, voice character work before. This has to
be some kind of weird live action movie where like Chris Pratt gets sucked into
the Mario universe and now he's he has to be Mario. That is essentially
what has happened. Just it was all animated, you know, like he
is just playing Chris Pratt. He just got sucked into the Mario universe.
It is that story I thought it was going to be. It's just I
thought I thought the Brooklyn part would be live action, just but based on
the actor choice. And it wasn't ridiculous. But I wasn't really wrong about
the character work because they were all essentially playing themselves. They literally made bows
of Jack Black, like he is just playing Jack Black with some reverb on
his voice. Chris Pratt's just Mario, Charlie. They did a great Luigi
but if yeah, if you've seen Always Sunny, that's like just one step
above Charlie from Always Sunny. It's not that different. Seth Rogan was literally
Seth Rogan in a monkey suit. He even had his laugh in the movie
a few times. Yeah, yeah, I didn't like I think you're supposed
to not like him the Donkey Kong for for a bit because I didn't,
but then you know, he comes around. I also had this thought leaving
the movie, and I brought this up to a Scoot and Kim. I
want to get your thoughts on it. I I thought it was really interesting
and a weird choice. How much they made some of these characters, specifically
Bowser and Donkey Kong literally their voice actors, Like, if you haven't seen
the movie or you're not, you're going to see it. I can't stress
enough. Donkey Kong is Seth Rogan. They have they have a moment where
like it like zooms up on his face and he goes like, the joke
is that's Seth Rogan doing his laugh and they put it in the movie as
an Easter egg. Yeah. And then Jack Black is literally like that is
him the whole movie. He sings, he has songs, and he sings
like he's Intonacious d again, He's his facial animations are Jack Black. The
reason why I find as weird as awesome as it is for us as an
American audience. This is getting translated into other languages, like Japan is gonna
watch this, And I'm really interested in that they're gonna miss the jokes.
They're gonna miss the Seth roganisms, They're gonna miss the Jack blackisms because I
mean they might know of them, maybe, but I'm sure they're not as
popular over or like commonly spread over there where you could like see a movie
with someone animated as that and think, oh, they're doing Jack Black,
like in like France and like Japan, like you know what I mean.
Yeah, well, I know that they're really big on American movie stars and
stuff, so when they watch American movies just with subtitles, you know,
and then they're just totally cool with it. We're ignorant. We don't like
subtitles for the most party. We watch anime where weaves. So the weird
thing about this though, is that it is being dubbed in other languages everyone
not in Japan. Japan, they want the American voice actors. Oh really
yeah, as far as I know, I mean from the trailer like we
did. The Japanese trailer is just the American voice actors. But there's like
the Italian version, which is dubbed, the French version which is dubbed Those
are other ones I know of. I'm sure there's more. So I'm pretty
sure that the Japanese version is just gonna have Jack Black in it, But
I'd be curious to see how it's going to translate into other languages. Yeah,
I mean, I even if if they get someone to like recreate the
voices and the jokes exactly. And this is my just my weird train of
thought. It's not important at all to us. But unless you've grown up
watching Jack Black, unless you've grown up watching School of Rock and you have
like this love for Jack Black, like all of America does and a lot
of English speaking country does, it's just not going to hit the same.
You could have someone completely replicated in French, but it's just they're not going
to understand that it was supposed to be Jack Black. It's just they're just
gonna think, Wow, Bows is really colorful in this movie. Why they
make him sing so much? Like why I think I was his singing?
These these characters, they are characters, but these actors are are global celebrities
like Black. You've seen videos of him on like Korean game shows, and
he doesn't they are. They're all speaking Korean. He doesn't understand a word
that they're saying. He's playing along great, Okay, so maybe it translates
better than I thought that. Yeah, yeah, I think that even though
they're going to be speaking in English. Uh, I think people all over
the world are going to recognize these people and they probably also recognize Seth Rogan
and his laugh and stuff. That has to be an insane level of stadhom
where like you can be in a Mario movie and have a character who is
pre established, completely reanimated to be like you and the whole world appreciates it.
Yeah, that's got to be really cool. I love Jack black Man.
He's so freaky. He was definitely the best one in the whole movie.
But but in the car on the drive home, because I was like,
I just got to listen to some Jack black Yeah, No, he's
he was easily my favorite part of the whole movie. But I liked a
lot of I liked all of the performances. I liked all of the characters
pretty much, with the exception of Cranky Conger. I think he could have
done better. But I had a great time. I thought I was gonna
like it a little less than I did. I was surprised with how I
thought coming with what I felt coming out of it. I loved it.
It's not something I would want to watch again. No, when you kept
you kept talking about wanting to like see it together a second time, I
was like, I don't, I don't don't like seeing movies twice, and
this is the type of movie where there's just nothing to see again, there's
no depth, there's nothing to and maybe for new references, I don't know.
I'm trying not to let this and I haven't let this play into the
equation and I can't and I'm not being facetious because I had seen this movie
already through trailers and the first almost hour of the movie up until you hit
Donkey Kong and you finally start to see some new scenes and new things that
want explored in trailers. Watching it for the first time ever in the theater
at midnight, I was a little bored waiting to get to a part of
the movie I hadn't already seen. Like it felt like I was watching the
movie for a second time and I was waiting for it to hit a point.
And that's not even me being facetious, Like I knew all the beats,
I knew where we were going. While I was watching a scene that
had already seen, I was like, the next one's going to be the
Mushroom Kingdom, the next one's going to be when they go to the I
was just waiting to get to a new point, and that didn't happen until
like half an hour at the end because there was nothing, There was no
depth, Like you, they were like, we gotta get Bowser, and
then the whole, the whole thing was just like the journey that they already
mapped out. They're like, this is the map of how we're going to
do it, and then they did exactly that with no conflicts or anything.
And even the big, the big I guess turning point in the movie that
what do you call that? The climax was in the trailer and was very
obvious from the very beginning. So it was stupid, but again it's it's
for kids. I uh, I was. I felt the same way.
I was, like I want I don't want to say I was getting bored,
but I wanted them to go back to like I wanted more about Mario.
You know, they kind of they kind of set him up and then
threw it all away for ye for a lot of it. But but again
when I left, I felt a little, a little redeemed. So yeah,
I want to scoot. I don't want to speak for you, but
you mentioned you one of your biggest things was just character development and relationships,
which is super lacking. Yeah, it was just kind of depressing. Uh.
And again, this is like I understand everyone's complaints of saying like why
are you looking for a Mario Mover story, but like when you see a
guy come out of a pipe and you're a native and he looks nothing like
you and you're like, oh, come on, like like let's go,
and like there's no name exchange, there's no like what are you doing out
here? Like why was Toad out there? What was Toad doing? We
know nothing about Toad and he was just kind of there's a good point.
They never explained why who that toad is or like why he's so cool?
Like why? Yeah? They never they never said who the toad is?
And also when when this is I don't think this is a spoiler, but
when Peach met Mario and all that happened for like a long time, somebody
else was like who's that? And it's like I was like, Peach doesn't
know his name. He never introduced himself at it. Yeah, she said
she said his name, and I was like, how did wait, how
did she know that? That was the moment where they were like who is
that? And she goes it doesn't matter, and then they just move on.
And that was like to me, it was like they were almost making
a joke in the movie about how this doesn't matter, Let's just get to
the next point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there was a lot
of that. There was a lot of stuff. There was a lot of
stuff where I was like, wait, how does this They didn't establish this,
but but it did. It didn't matter because it's just let's just get
to the action. I liked Luigi and Mario's relationship and their friendship, like
it was really set up at the start and then explored right at the end.
And obviously they were a part for the whole movie, so there wasn't
much in between that. But other than that, there was no other I
mean that the the only other close relationship we really see in the movie is
Bowser and that wizard Coopermic. Yeah, they kind of have a little relationship,
and you see that a couple of times. Mario and Pete flu one
time. Let's get this. I want to jump into spoilers because now we're
getting into details. Before before we get into spoilers, there's a couple of
things we didn't talk about that we can visually. It looks absolutely fantastic the
animation is so beautiful and obviously we talked about all the Easter eggs around,
but animated really well. The music really slapped as far the video game music
they translated into an orchestra. Some of those moments like the end, which
we won't get too yet, but some of those moments were highlight it so
well by hearing that old school music, like when they're platforming in the movie
and you hear the platforming like kind of feeling music that they've turned orchestra,
some of the Donkey Kong music. All of that made the movie so much
more special. And yeah, visually it looked really great. Musically it sounded
really great. I do have one grape with the music. Yes, there's
one gripeople if we're a lot, maybe there's spoilers, maybe it's not,
but they use like eighties music and like real world like music. Yeah,
and it sounds really totally wrong once they're in the Mushroom Kingdom, Like there's
one specific scene where they use take on me. That was the weirdest one
for me. Yeah, it was so to me. It was so offensive
because that at all they Okay, they could have opened up with like the
opening theme of that specific game, and it would have been beautiful and it
would have fit perfectly. There was a few there's a handful of real life
songs, and they were all played for like twenty seconds, and I think
half of them were fun, and I think they like really heightened the moment.
I think that one specifically stood out to both of us because and I
don't this might be a little spoiler. I don't think it is. When
you're going into Donkey Kong's Kingdom for the first time and they're racing, it
played Take on Me, and it was just so I don't get how that
song fits the scene at all. They turned Funky Kong into like an eighties
guy. I know, but you could have like eighties up like a Donkey
Kong track or like, I just don't get white. It just felt really
weird being Take on Me and it was for like ten seconds. It just
played like ten seconds. That's not that's not for video game fans anymore.
That's for the moms who are forced to be there with their children. Yeah,
that that that one was a little jarring. The other ones were great.
I think that the Mario universe has such great music you don't even need
to rely on some of those other tracks to do two or three as to
heighten a joke, on heighten a Moment's fine, but it happened I think,
just a couple too many times in weird places. I wonder how much
Koji Kondo had to do with it, because he was credited multiple times in
the in the in the credits. Can I actually say a weird thing about
being credited? This is this is kind of a spoiler, so let's just
lead into the spoiler talko. Now, all right, spoilers everybody leaders spoilers
wrap. When Mario and Donkey Kong fight, they played the Donkey Kong rap.
Yeah, I didn't notice that. I saw it in the credits,
but I don't remember. I didn't remember them playing the DK rap. They
played the DK rap and they didn't credit Grant Cook. They didn't credit him.
They just said Donkey Kong rap from the Donkey Kong game or the Donkey
Kong And it looks like in the credits it looked like the only track that
didn't have a music credit. It was very weird. Yeah, they just
didn't credit him from the music. I find I find that really disappointing and
wild. I felt bad for him. He seemed really upset on Twitter.
Yeah, yeah, a picture of it, because I guess he was waiting
for the credit and yeah it wasn't there. That's gonna suck. I mean,
like, don't go sixty four didn't make the game. I mean the
music. He made the music. And the first the very first name you
see in the very beginning of the movie when because they show like the little
pre title screen credits, the very first name is Shagiro Miyamoto. It says
made by Shagiro Miyamoto. End, and then the name of the director.
And I was like, that's weird because I know Miamoto made Mario, but
he probably didn't do as much on his movie. Then that's the director didn't
No, I think that was showing respect, which I can appreciate. I
mean, it's his whole world. Is it's showing respect or is it you
better put my name before your name in this movie? I want to maybe
I don't know. I don't know much about Miyamoto. I didn't get to
meet him like I would have if I'd gone see the premier I could have
got a better read on that. Yeah, where do you Okay? Let's
I want to talk about the accent thing that I mentioned, Yeah, I
want to. I'm curious what you have to say about that. So Mario
didn't have an accent in the movie, had a Brooklyn esque accent, but
mostly it sounded like Christmas. It's very light. He out every once in
a while, but for a couple of times. Yeah. Um. Chris
was getting asked in interviews like what's to deal with the accent? And he
always bounced around the conversation. And I feel like the reason for that is
because answering it is a spoiler, because it's actually part of the story.
At the very start of the movie when it cuts to my brothers for the
first time, it's that trailer that you saw shared around the Internet of their
plumbing service, and what they cut out of the trailer because the trailer we
saw on the on the it's hard to say trailer that the commercial. What
got cut out of the commercial in the movie that we saw in the trailer
of the commercial was Mario and Luigi. Is very confusing. Mario and Luigi
talking in a very Italian Mario accent, like Chris Prett does it. He
does like to be a Mario And if you want to order my plumbing.
It's a yeah. And then it fades out from the trailer the commercial in
the movie, and Mario Luigia sat there watching it and Mario is like,
I don't know, do you think the accents were too much? And then
it pans to an old school jump man looking Mario voiced by Charles Martiney,
who goes, well, I think it wasn't perfect. Who does like a
little jump Yeah, that was way too on the nose, way too soon
for the Charles Martiney cameo. I don't know, man, I kind of
liked it. I was like, okay, so that's why, you know,
they've explained away why he doesn't have an accide. So yeah, they're
basically playing characters in the commercial that they made, and that's the first thing
you see in the movie is that commercial. And you're right, they're like,
oh, wait to think about the accent. But then they immediately go
to dinner with their whole family. Yeah, their whole family is all different
ranges of that accent. I liked that a lot because it was like,
this is where they came from, and this is where they pulled that accent
from. It's all pieces of this yeah, I was. I was watching
one question. Yes, yes, did the family not sound like fried biscuits
like at all? It probably did. It sounds like my whole lot of
them. That family sounded like where I freaking that while it was happening,
like this is Bob's family, right, Yeah, one of the uncles made
like a stupid joke and then like the white family goes why why kids head
and me and my friend I watched it with my friend pissed and we both
started hysterical laughing at that because that's like, that's our uncle's right there.
I like that a lot. Now Mario's dad, do we know who he
was played by? Because that sounded also more like a traditional Mario accent,
and it kind of a little bit sounded like Charles Martiney. But I don't
think it was. Google it real quick. I think Charles Martiney played more
than just jump Man in the movie U he played I believe I read he
played a character named Giuseppe as well in the credits. I think that.
I think it was Charles Montney as Mario's dad, Giuseppe. Yeah, that
was also Charles Montney as Mario's dad. That's that makes a lot of sense
because because that's what you hear. You hear that, and it's like,
okay, that's where Chris like, that's where Chris Pratt's Mario gets the accent
from. And that's why he's playing it up in the In the commercial,
he's playing a character who is fucking dad because he wants to he wants to
impress his dad, and his dad is like, you're making a character of
me. I don't like it. It's kind of weird in that case then
that they they I mean, I guess I just wanted the reference of jump
Man in like old school Mario, but they could have just had Charles Motney
do it as his dad, and like they're watching the trailer with their family,
and the dad is like, it's a perfect that. I love it.
Like he didn't even really need to add in that whole extra step.
Yeah yeah, hey, uh but you know what, but you know what,
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um, all right, so spoiler talk. We just talked about Mario's voice
and and Charles Martiney and whatever, and we we start off with with their
establishment in Brooklyn, like, yeah, we we got we got a little
bit of Mario and Luigi lore which was pretty good. Like, I thought
that was pretty nice. I liked I liked it a lot. Um.
You know, something that Kim said to me on the way home was we
never found out why Brooklyn was flooding, which, yeah, a lot of
things just happened in this movie, and then they didn't get explained. At
the start of the movie, Brooklyn is like underwater, like there's like a
huge pipe explosion or something. That's just that's what happened. That's said,
that's justly yeah, you know, all right, it just happens. That
happens. You're always wondering down the street and you will see uh, fire
hydrant just shooting water everywhere, and everyone just goes about their day. Nobody
cares, you know. I think it was funny that that marisaw Thing was
like, this is a chance to save Brooklyn, and then they literally go
and they make it worse, and then because of them, they end up
at the end of the movie coming back and really making things even worse again.
But just because they managed to put a little ball on it, everyone's
like, yeah, so that's what I wanted to get to. They have
the establishment of them in Brooklyn, and then they immediately get transported to the
Mushroom Kingdom, and then there's just an hour or more of the Mushroom Kingdom
and I'm like, I liked the others go back to the ki trope.
But then at the very end they do, and I was like, oh,
goody. And then you see all the characters from the beginning and I'm
like, oh, this is actually really cool. When the friggin bullet bill
was goat, when he was putting it towards the pipe, I was like,
he's gonna blow up Brooklyn. This is that was a really weird idea
that Mario had. He was like, this tunnel that I came through that
I know leads to Brooklyn is a great place to send this nuke. Yeah,
what part of that made say like the all the time, I'm like,
that's not gonna go well. But obviously it was a plot device that
honestly, I don't understand how it made sense. It blew up in there
and somehow it's just like sucked specifically bows. So what I'm assuming happened and
this is this is creationist or revisionist history, I guess, whatever you call
it, whatever the phrases. You're filling in the bank for the movie.
Yeah, so when you go in the pipe, you're in like a like
the wind and like the wind, because like there was like a little middle
world between like Brooklyn and the Mushroom Kingdom. So I'm assuming the nuke,
nuked the little in the middle place, and there was like a vacuum because
like the passageways got all messed up, and it sucked everything that it could
because it it sucked up the floating castle and everyone that was like flying around
not like you know, you know, there's that sense. I get what
you're saying, but it feels it's like it's a good explanation. It feels
like it sucked up some very specific plot points driven things. Oh no,
it shook them all. It sucked them all up into it. It sucked
up like his whole castle and all the key characters, but like not everything
in the universe or like they were all on the floating castle island, all
of the characters, well, like the castle was nowhere near the tunnel.
It was just very convenient. It's all I'm saying. I have to I
put all of that aside a lot because I'm a I used to be a
huge Star Wars fan. I guess I've fallen off a little bit. But
in Star Wars everything is a coincidence and you just kind of roll with it.
No, but it's the force. Yeah, the force is what and
you know what, that's a great way to explain it away. The force
is what brings all these people together. The galaxy is massive, there's billions
of planets in it, but for whatever reason, all of these guys happened
to meet each other. You know. Yeah, I really feel like,
unless I'm wrong, there was normal spoilers from the start right up until Donkey
Kong. Like that whole hour stretch was old trailers stuff. I don't think
there's anything so really I will I want, I'll say that you nailed it.
That that there they'd take like a two minute thing from the trailer and
make it like a five minute thing. But I actually kind of liked seeing
how things were different from the trailer. I liked a little bit extra exposition,
Like right in the beginning, the very beginning is the thing that we
saw from Bowser, which I think that we yeah, it was going to
be the opening. We guess that. Yeah, got that right. He
says uh uh yield or or you will die, And I was like,
Okay, that's different from the trailer. Yeah, they definitely switched up some
voice cues. Yeah, and uh when he gets the star at the end,
he doesn't say who's going to stop me? He said he says something
else. I forgot what he says, but it's different. It's it's a
different line. They definitely set up the trailers to be more like dramatic,
like Who's going to stop me? And then you watching the trailers, you're
like, oh, is Mario is going to stop him? But like from
a movie standpoint, that would be I guess a bit cringe. So I
guess they retold some things. Some other things I found interesting is when Mario
lands in the Mushroom Kingdom in the trailers, there's a sound bite of him
going what is this place? That's not there. Where that SoundBite came from
is when he's in Brooklyn and he gets he goes down into the sewers and
he finds a big expansive he looks over all the plaps and he goes,
what is this place? And it's the exact same sound bite. So they
mixed up a lot of things. When in the trailers, when he finds
Toad and he's like, we gotta go to the Mushroom Kingdom and he's hopping
on the mushrooms, that's the first time we hear him say here we go
or whatever it was, and that's not there. In the movie, it's
completely silent mushroom. Yeah, we um, that's that's not in the movie
anywhere, like, not even not anywhere in the movie. That was only
for the trailer. In the movie that is silent and he's just hopping.
So I don't know if that was a trailer at it to make it more
exciting, or if all the controversy around him saying that, they were like,
let's just nix the line. Yeah. I think that the trailer was
set up to give you a lot more explainer in such a short period of
time. So that's why they kept some things in there, left some things
out. Maybe they did cut out the mushroom Kingdom here we Come because it
was well. The funny thing is people were like finding comic book strips of
him saying that line and they were like, no, it's from the original
comic. This is Cannon, And then in the movie it's not even there.
Yeah. I don't understand why that was even unless I mix it,
but I'm pretty sure it's not there at all. I don't know, I
don't know what else. Oh yeah, so yeah, all the trailers up
until Donkey Kong, they really just show everything. I mean, maybe there's
little easter a characters or like a little thing in the background, but nothing
really to gosh over. When you're at DK that's when things stopped picking up.
So if we want to get into spoiler town, I think one of
Scoot's biggest reaction was to Diddy Diddy. It wasn't just Diddy because Dixie was
there and m Chunky was there as well. He was right next to them
as well. They were all three sitting together. It was so happy.
I like that they were all chanting like Donkey Kong whatever it was, and
then Diddy was the last one, still chanting like he's so excited. My
theater went nuts when they showed him. Quiet. Yeah, I think everyone
was really sleepy. Actually, it bought me out a little bit because you
were talking about your theater being a little loud. I kind of wanted us
to pop a bit more at some fun moments, but it was dead quiet.
There wasn't a chuckle, that wasn't a laugh through the I'll say I'm
being I'm exaggerating a little bit. There were people that were just talking for
the first fifteen minutes, like to each other, not thinking about that,
and then there were a couple of nerves. It is behind me to my
left that were every little reference They're like, oh yeah, they're like freaking
out about it. So that's that's what I'm saying when people kind of want
it was that those guys like I kind of love. I remember I went
to watch the Dragon boll Ze movie where like Freezer is like gold whatever that
one was, and the theater was going it was like on Launch first showing.
Theater was going nuts for like every little thing like vegeta was dancing,
and I was like, man, this is great. I'm this is like
hyping me up. They like clapped at the end, like stood up and
clapped, and this movie yeah, dead silent. That's another reason I like
the midnights for the Marvel movies because everyone was just going no, because everyone's
going absolutely the Endgame or Or and Infinity War was insane. Yeah, people
sobbing at the end. At the end of Infinity I remember somebody was like
Spider Man, that was crazy. When Kim and I went and we didn't
even see at midnight. We saw it like two days in and people were
like clapping and having a great time. Someone said in our chat, right
now, I almost cried at the end, and I want to say I
didn't the way I just saw it. I'm not joking almost cry tony.
I didn't cry at the end. I actually almost got a little teary when
um I think it's when Luigi and Mario were getting separated the first time,
or like he's something's happening with him. He's like captive and he has that
flashback of Mario and babies, and it's luby Mario and Luigi and like the
designed the same way. I actually almost got a little teary at that.
That was another matter almost got me lost it because I I the two characters
I love playing the most in like Mario kard Mario Baseball, or Baby Mario
and baby Luigi. So seeing them be included, like I was like,
oh my god, that's that's it was also like I told the story to
death. But Kim and I first conversation ever was about Super Mario World,
and so like sitting in the movie theater next to Kim and like that little
baby Mario. I looked over at Kim, I was like, oh my
god, I'm gonna cry. Like yeah, it almost get me. I
don't get like emotional during like you know, like sad parts in the movies
and stuff. I usually get teary eyed when there's like, uh, like
like I don't know, like a heartfelt callback or like, yeah, it
happens to me a lot in like Star Wars. When there's like when they
were doing you know, when like Leah shows up on screen, I'm like,
oh my god, Oh my god, I remember her from the old
movies. So like I got that too, because I was like, oh
my god, this is like I've been a Mario fan for my whole life,
and now all of a sudden, he's, oh, he's a mainstream
and yeah, and they're making all of these references to all of the stuff
that I used to play that I used to think was like like a niche
thing, and now it's it's a global phenomenon. That's why I was Scoots
said he thought you weren't gonna like it. I was like, you're wild
man, this is Bob's moment. No, I understand. Yeah, he
nailed what I didn't like about it. That was stuff zero on Mario's wall,
the other stuff made up for I'm not an Zero fan. I just
like got that falcon. I'm a Smash Brothers fan Yeah. Yeah, they
made up for a lot of the problems that I had with it with all
of the fan service. Yeah yeah, and that's definitely a huge part of
the movie was about. Yeah, it was definitely like about the fan service.
I don't I don't like the opinion that like, if you're expecting a
good story out of a Mario movie, you're the problem. I don't.
I don't care for that opinion, because like animated movies, I think have
gotten only better for the year. I also don't like the excuse it's a
kids movie. Kid, Yeah, that's the lamest excuse. I'm sorry,
Kids movies can be good. Look at look at what it. I became
really good friends because we were both obsessed with Mowanna Ma Wana. Oh.
I'm sorry, no in content, but I do love ma Wanna Welcome into
You. They're doing a live action ma Water Yeah, I know. Yeah,
we gotta go see it. Well, I mean, black Adams in
it at midnight? Bob, are you in midnights? Quick? That's going
to be a dumb midnight to go that sound like quick funny story? Sure,
we were, we were lining up to watch and this is this is
just one of them things. I don't want to embarrass them. We were
lining up to watch the movie last night. We wore these hats. Legit
Scoot had a Mario sweater on. We're at the midnight launch where everyone's dressed
up as Mario and I see in the line. Some call me Johnny.
He's like getting his popcorn another another YouTuber. I walk up to him and
I'm like, hey, man, just wanted to say hey, don't want
to bother you, like we've actually done a video together before, so I
I just wanted to say hey. He goes, oh, you here to
watch the Mario movie. He said that with series, and without missing a
beat, I went, no, she's just them two. He just really
like, oh my god. I went with my little Mario hat too,
and Hannah wore a little Princess pizza. I know, you guys are so
cute. We went into five Below right before the movie because we smuggled in
snacks, and the second I walked in, the guy that worked at five
Below went, hey, it's to me. I bought six dollars M and
MS because I forgot to bring snacks. I bought a fifteen dollars question blocked
in I bought a ten dollars large popcorn. We spent. I don't actually
realize how expensive due movie companions are. I I got the snacks because I
felt like I needed to do something. I ended up studing like fifty dollars
snacks. So I grabbed the tickets for everyone, which was seventy five bucks
for the three of us. Because it was supposed to be four and Bengal
didn't come. I got an extra ticket from my brother and he didn't come.
But that's my fault. I just assumed he was gonna. It was
my fault. Two. I just wanted to make sure I had enough.
But let's say, and then Fandango doesn't make it easy to return one ticket.
You got a call, so I just money. I didn't bother.
I ate it too. But let's say I would have paid fifty for all
three of us. You paid fifty just for the snacks. Yeah, Like
that's wild. Like a bottle of water was five dollars. Yeah, I
didn't. I got the We smuggled in a bottle of water, and then
I we also bought a second bottle of water. But I usually don't eat.
Well, that's the thing I say. I don't want any popcorn,
and then somebody buys popcorn and I ate the whole freaking thing. I we
we ate two large popcorns between the three. I also, I accidentally got
three D and I didn't all three D, but I I ended up getting
three so it was fine. It was okay. I didn't mind it that
much. I didn't want to get three D. I even said the school,
I, do you want to do three D? And he was like,
no, I don't want to. But when we got there, I
realized it wasn't three D. It was forty so the option smells. There
was smells the whole time, but like we didn't We went standard and then
we was sat in the standard crummy seats. The popcorn was called. There
was dead pixels in the screen, and I was like, I kind of
wish we did the four D. I think you would have had a lot
more grapes with the movie if we saw it in four days. What is
the fourth dimension? Though, explains they like they blow like that it's said
on the wall. There was like ice heat. It depends on like what
theater. But the going off the one in um Times Square that I've been
to, it's the regal Ewok Cinema. I saw Spider Man Far from Home
there, like they have like fire like pyrotechnics there. Your seat vibrates,
your seat will like do things. It's it's a whole. It's like a
ride for the The fire and and and ice sounds cool. That would be
really yeah, I know so on screen visual effects, synchronized motion seats,
and elemental effects such as water when fog, sent snow and more to enhance
the end. Hate that I kind of wish we'd done for d X I.
I've never done it, and I feel like that would have been the
perfect no idiot like older locations, the lava, the ice world, the
mushrooms. It's fun. It's just for that movie. And now that I
can say for certain after seeing it, it would be a two hour Universal
Studios ride that you cannot get off. It be better than seven dead pixels
and freezing cold popcorn. Okay, pop the theater doesn't change the poplar,
that's true. That's true. The popcorn's not never gonna it's gotta be the
same popcorn. Yeah, true, unless you went down the Drafthouse. That's
they got. They got some good stuff. I wanted to say, the
one big surprise of the movie. Should we can wait? Can I talk
about the three D for two seconds? That? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah. I didn't mind it. Usually I hate that
having to have the glasses on. It was fine. The thing that I'm
completely forgot what go into the movie theaters, Like what's seeing movies in real
life? Is like because of the pandemic, I haven't seen anything um and
the three D made me realize why VRS so much better. Like three D
was it was fine, but like they force you to look at whatever is
in focus. Yeah, like you can't focus, like like your eyes can't
focus on whatever you want. In VR, it's the game focuses on whatever
you're looking at, whatever your eyes are darting to, and in this your
it forces your gaze at certain things, so that kind of like breaks it
a little bit when you're looking at something that's out of focus. But otherwise
it was fine. It was okay. It was as far if I'm getting
old and I'm missing something, But like I remember three D with like Spy
Kids three D and like go into the theater and you would have just like
the paper three D glasses because they want a thing yet yeah, and it
was like fun. It was fun as a kid. It was a fun
experience, but it was a gimmick. I'm so surprised now, like twenty
years later, three D is still like the standard way of watching movies and
you have to like actively pick the standard version if you don't want to do
three D. It's not that good. I see movies a lot. This
is not standard anymore. I don't know, man, I feel like,
but I went to book this movie, the top option everywhere was like the
forty actual the three D or do you want to do the standard? I
think it's because it's this movie is like very large. But how is it
still a thing? In every theater has three D? Still it's not it's
not the projector it's not that good. And most movies don't don't build for
three D. They just like make a movie and then they just like do
a three D filter over it. You know what I mean? Am I
wild? Uh No, it's not made for three D, like like like
Mario was not made for three D. It's just they shoehorned it over it.
If you saw Avatar, you'd probably be like, what it's crazy,
But we do see I kind of want to go you want to see you
wants the Avatar? No, I don't want to see that. I don't
understand the whole thing around Avatar. I saw the first one when it came
out, and it's like, okay, it's three D okay, like this,
It's not like it was a good movie. Otherwise, they're blue,
They're blue blue. Speaking of blue, the water is blue. The only
real twist in this movie, and the thing that was not leaked in the
trailers I would, I think, is when the Rainbow Road gets crushed and
Donkey Kong and this is a spoiler. You're listening still and you don't know
that you just tuned into spoilers. Donkey Kong and Mario end up in the
ocean. And what's in the ocean but the big stea worm thing that I
always think at the name of the eel, the big eel. They put
the eel in the movie. Yeah, that was cool. And this was
the only part of the movie with character development. Yeah. Yeah, between
Mario and Donkey Yeah, because they hated each other, which I thought was
kind of a cool dynamic. Yeah, and then they came around at the
end. Yeah, And that was the only real character development. I mean,
Luigi Mario were brothers from the stop brothers at the end, Mario and
Peach they floated once, but it didn't really imply they built any sort of
relationship. Everyone hated Bowser at the start, hated Bowser at the end.
The only character development in the whole movie was between Donkey Kong and Mario,
and it was done in a thirty second scene. But it was nice.
I liked it. It was nice. I liked it. There's all different
designs for the eel and they went with like the modern design for the eel.
It's a it's a moray eel. I'm looking it up on Mario Mario
wiki right now again. Could you see the little eel eyes and you're like,
oh god, we're gonna get an eel. That's cool. Nothing in
this movie had a purpose or a point and they would just move on to
the next thing. I was kind of hoping they would the eel would come
back, they would use it in some way, like it would like eat
Bowser and like that's how they like defeated Bowser or something. But yeah,
nothing in this movie had a had a solid cool back or any kind of
pre pre thought planning that's not true. If there was pre planning for one
thing, I want to say, yes, Scoot nailed something. This was
actually really wild. We were driving to the theater and Scoot said in the
back seat, he's like, I have a prediction for how they're gonna beat
Bowser, and I I was like, Okay, I don't want to know
because then the whole movie I'm going to be thinking about it. So write
it down and show it to us later. I'm not even kidding. In
the theater when it happened, he pulled his phone out and like showed me.
I was like, oh my god, yeah, you want to say
what it was. I was thinking about it. Um, that wasn't even
what I was referring to. Um, but I was thinking about it.
And on the sticker sheet, all the power ups that were used in the
movie are on the sticker sheet except for the blue mushroom. And I was
like, oh, I guess they can't kill Bowser. They don't want to
like burn him and make him dry Bowser, so he's got to turn tiny,
So he's probably gonna eat the tiny mushroom. Yeah, he crushed it.
He brought that on his phone and then showed me. As it happened,
I was like, wow, yeah, I didn't think about that at
all. I used the tiny mushroom during the smash thing too, did Yeah
when Donkey Kong, Yeah that when I saw that, I was like,
oh, that was on the sticker sheet, the blue mushroom. I was
almost thinking they might become friends with Bowser at the end, just based on
it being a Mario movie and like maybe like while Luigian Warrior work out,
walk out something, there's still time, there's still yeah, there is I
think in the next well maybe not that direct next one, but I think
eventually, yeah, they're gonna team up and there'll be a greater threat of
some kind. I don't know what they could do, because Mario's threat is
always Bowser. Do you want to talk about thoughts for the next one,
because in classic Mario movie style, there is an after credit scene. Yes,
there's two. One is really just a fun thing. Yeah, yeah,
there's an actual like hint to a next movie. Yeah, there's the
there's the egg. We're just spoiling everything there. Yeah, there was a
Yoshi egg and and he goes he does the Yoshi sound at the end too.
Yeah, Now that was cool. But can I a little a little
a little, But also I was like, is that a callback to like
Godzilla because when they did like the Gods at the end of the credits,
because that that was kind of cool. Yeah, can I be a little
bit of a bummer on it and say that it was kind of a disappointing
thing to end on just because we'd already seen Yoshi's. There's literally a Yoshi's
island in the in the world over, Yeah, there's a whole Like it's
only like a twenty second clip of all the Yoshi's running, but that it
kind of gives away that there are Yoshi's. I kind of feel like if
as fun as that clip is, it would have been better to not have
it in the movie and not have any reference to Yoshi at all, like
period, full stop, no Yoshi. And then right at the end it
pans over to a Yoshi egg that starts cracking. Yeah, that would have
been way better. Like I've already seen Yoshi's Like, yeah, I already
know, I already know about maybe maybe maybe the Yoshi world should have been
just like a jungle. Well, they already had the they already had the
Donkey Kong World. As a jungle. They showed another Mario world. Yeah,
but I mean, I feel like one thing we haven't mentioned is the
Luma sprite. Yeah. I was just gonna say the suicidal Luma. That
was my favorite. I love that they were great, but that was my
favorite thing. And they also call out that there there's a big galaxy out
there, and I know where I'm from. So that's all setting up a
Mario Galaxy situation. So you've got Mario Galaxy is probably gonna happen next and
I'm guessing Yoshi's gonna be a part of it. I wonder if Yoshi's gonna
talk. Oh, I hope not. I mean, I mean it sounded
just it sounded straight up like Yoshi did. They just played the Yoshi sound
by it, so maybe it's not um And we haven't seen any talking Yoshi's
yet, so yeah, maybe they are just like a pet, which is
how it should be. UM. I don't know how the concepts of Yo
Yoshi and Galaxy are gonna go together, because there's a kind of separate two
ideas. Oh is he in Galaxy? Actually I've never played Galaxy? Did
really tweet? I've actually also never played Galaxy? Too really, actually did
I is that the one that I played for like two hours? I was
about to say I've played it a little bit. I did play Galantitude for
two hours. Um, I think I called the end credits, but I
think I thought it was gonna be Yoshi on top of Peach's castle, which
probably would have been cooler. That would have been really cool. It is
it is Yoshi, so whatever. Yeah. I was kind of thinking it
might be again Warrior O Wallauiji. I thought they might pop up at the
end, but that could be one of the threats. And I mean they're
gonna make a bunch of movies out of this. Now, this is going
to be a bad guy and who's who else is it gonna be? Yeah?
Um, Scoot was saying that the rumored next movies, uh, obviously
another Mario movie, a Zelda movie. I've heard a Zelda series, so
they we're gonna do They were gonna do a Zelda Netflix show, but they
canned it. Oh, I mean they could still do it, but I'd
imagine they'd want to do a movie now. But I keep hearing that the
next one is Donkey Kong, which I think, Uh, I've already set
up. Yeah, they set it up to do that. I think it's
I'm not that interested in that. I'm not not that excited about I want
to see a Luigi's mansion now that they that was another one Luigi. Yeah,
yeah, that would be really cool. I feel like it was a
line in the movie that Luigi said too that I felt like, Oh,
that's setting that up, something about him being really brave or he said something
and I was like, Oh, that's going to lead into Luigi's mansion.
I would definitely prefer to see that. The thing we're doing like Donkey Kong
movie is that you look at this movie and they're so clearly not committed to
any one thing, like they just wanted to show you this, show you
this, show you this. They didn't spend time in any one thing.
I can't see them doing a whole movie based justin Donkey Kong's world. Like,
I don't think they're gonna they. I mean, they have the pacing
for that. So they the Universal Studios collab made it so they had a
whole section at the theme park, and when they were walking around the Mushroom
Cakingdom for the first time, I was like, Oh, that's literally Nintendo
World at Universal Studios and they're building the Donkey Kong area next and that's only
in Florida. Okay, well it's it's clearly because they're setting up something that's
I think this whole thing is a ploy to sell Mario merch and get people
to the Nintendo World and stuff. It felt a little, um, I
don't know what the world is. As as we were sitting down to watch
the movie, they kept playing Nintendo Switch game commercials and like I was like,
man, really this is very kind. Didn't see any game commercials really,
you know what. I walked into the theater as the trailers like just
started. So yeah, they at the commercial trailers before the movie trailers.
They were showing a lot of like Nintendo kind of trailers for video games and
stuff. What games. It was like a highlight like Marios and smashing all
that kind of stuff. They show our videos, yeah, yeah they did.
They showed your video of the Zelda Switch, Yeah there's a switch.
Also my mod video was was in there too, my video about piracy that
I just uploaded. Yeah. They actually previewed our entire Emulation podcast episode.
Good. It was like an hour and a half. Yeah, it's good,
good, crazy, Mario's marry himself. It's crazy. Nintendo send you
that box of swag too. Nintendo did apparently. I don't think Nintendo had
anything to do with it. The Nintendo's paying someone to give this stuff to
the best candidates, and that person they might have done it. You were
the best candidate just to get my address? True good point sneaky, So
I gave them screen waves address. All right. I liked the movie.
I think it was as good as it could have been. I mean,
I guess I wanted more depth from the characters, but like, I'm not
watching this is like an art house piece. I'm watching that that this is
not made for me. It's made for a wide audience. It's it's it's
there to hit the points for fans, which it did a phenomenal job of.
But it's also there to keep a kid's attention, which made it worse
for me. But I understand. And then and then I think we forgot
to say at the end, they brought it all the way back to Brooklyn,
soa where I was upset that they left Brooklyn because that was my favorite
part because there was fun characters and depth and stuff. And then they at
the end, they brought it all the way back and all those characters came
back, and I thought I loved that. I was I was a yearning
for that the whole movie, and then they finally brought it and I was
happy with it. Yeah. I also I didn't want to I didn't want
to talk much too much about the climax of the movie, but I did
really really enjoy it. Um, I'm still I don't know, are we
in spoiler territory? This is like right at the end, were you too?
We we've been doing spoilers stuff. Okay, that's been fun. I
just loved the relationship between marian and Luigi. I thought it was so sweet
that they made them like they're just they're brothers that love each other so much.
I just thought it was such a nice, sweet bond. They really
did like it. And having the moment where Luigi finally protects Mario after Mario
has been trying to save him the whole movie. Yeah, and then like
you kind of think, oh, now it's Mario's chance to grab the star,
but they both leap for it and get it at the same time,
and then that music kicks in and the way it's all animated. It's so
cool, such an awesome way to end the movie. And yeah, I
agree with you. I think both both reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are correct.
I think the critics are one hundred percent right, Like it's not a good
movie, Like it's not as far as a from a critical standpoint, the
pacing, the story, what they what they set out to do, Like,
I think it's they followed all formula. It's very mid, it's very
medium. If you have no attachment to the Mario franchise, if you're just
going into this to watch a movie, you're probably not gonna like it.
Like it's gonna be like a pretty average. But if you're a fan,
if you time Mario, guy, look at him. I got Marrio everywhere,
I got married over here again, this is kind of a banger movie,
Like it's kind of everything I would want. It's literally a video game,
like the shallow story Mario video games turned into a movie, and they
did it I think with almost expert precision, like showcasing the platforming, showcasing
the Mario karting, like we didn't even talk about when they picked their Mario
carts, they'd literally have spiner wheels, like in the game, and they
build their Mario cart like it is a love letter to all the Mario games,
the whole Mario franchise, while leaving enough room for more Mario franchises in
the next one to really showcase like everything from retro to new, like it
was a masterpiece of love letter to the Mario games in a movie. And
from that standpoint, I agree with the ninety percent. I think the problem
with video game movie for years is that they didn't get the source material.
They would like, pick one thing and call it back, or they'd or
they'd missed the mark completely on the callbacks. And now we're at the point
where I think our generation and the people who grew up with this stuff and
who are real big fans of this stuff are old enough to make the decisions.
So people that are our generation or maybe slightly older, are the ones
who are writing the story putting those callouts in there. People who grew up
with Mario carter like, oh, this is how you pick the things,
or we should put that in. That would make a lot of sense,
and then all of the people around them are like, Yeah, of course
we're going to do that because we grew up with Mario two, and we
know that that's the thing. So I'm glad that freaking video game movies are
finally they're finally getting to where comic book movies got to ten years ago.
I agree, And I think one of the last thing we didn't touch on
is the comparison between the Sonic movie and the Mario movie. And I think
it's kind of funny that all these years later, Sonic vers Mario is still
an argument, you know, like the video games were back in the day,
now we have the movies competing, and from my standpoint, I think
the Mario movie did a better job at bringing the video games to a movie.
I think the fact that it's all animated, it's all polished, there's
there's no downtime, there's no bad parts of the movie. It's just really
rushed. I think you look at something like Sonic, there's a bunch of
scenes and places you can cut out. I could not stand any of the
wedding staff in Sonic Too. There's just a lot of like too. Actually,
I'd be really happy to condense those Sonic movies. And I think as
far as like does this bring Sonic to life? I would like to see
an animated Sonic movie now that actually dives more into Sonic's world. Ye,
the stories of Sonic, because that's kind of what I want from Sonic,
not some weird live action. As much as I enjoyed it, I think
Mario did a better job Sonic did the Izakai. I hope I'm saying that
right. He did it. They did it worse because Sonic entered our world.
Yeah, and it's like I don't want to I want to see a
Sonic movie. I don't want to see Yeah. Yeah, So that's why
I didn't like But I as a film, I liked it a little.
I don't know if I want to say more like because I remember leaving the
Sonic movie and saying, as a fan, this was really good. But
as a movie it was like okay, So I guess I felt very similarly.
But I might say that Mario was was it was better. It's your
different experiences because Sonic was almost too slow for me and wasn't as fast as
I would like. But I say that's what made it feel like a movie.
It felt like an old school nineties almost movie. Yes, there was
a ton of character development. I mean, Sonic alone grows as a character
or a bunch. His relationship with James Mosden, is that his name,
James, That relationship grows a bunch. I mean Sonic has enemies, he
has friends, and yeah, all those relationships developed, and yeah, it
feels like an old school nineties movie and it actually feels like a film.
And yeah, in that regard, I like that movie more. But I
think just as a whole, if I had to sit through one again,
I would probably well, I don't know, Actually, I don't want to
watch them, not at all. I think they're very similar and they hit
different. They they went about the problem in two different ways, in two
very different ways, and I think they ended up both kind of equalling out,
like they're both kind of just as good as each other. But you
know, we have a lot more, I guess, to love about Mario
than we do with Sonic. Like I grew up, I was a segad
kid. I grew up with Sonic, and I liked all of the cartoons
and stuff. But there's a lot more Mario to love than there is Sonic.
There's a lot of Band Sonic games and a lot of Band Sonic media,
So I guess seeing Mario on the big screen was was more impactful,
I guess, and it was way more polished again, like absolutely, the
whole thing being animated had such a nice shine to it. The music,
the act, everything was condensed and concise, but at least it made it
so everything at least had punch. So one last thing that I wanted to
say is that Mario has like no story Like in the games. It's all
over the place and they give you nothing. At the games, there's sometimes
maybe a little cutscene in the beginning, like is the princess being captured?
Oh, here is how it happens this time, and then you have to
go solve it. So they didn't have much to work with. And it's
weird for us to be like, we want more lore from Mario, we
want more character development, because that's not usually what happens with Mario. But
we are watching a movie. It's a movie, yeah, so we need
a little As adults, we need a little bit of that. That's what
we're here for. And it was fine, It was fine what we got.
It was weird watching an animated movie with characters I was attached to and
not being made like felt like I was being made to cry at any point
like I think nostalgia can get you terry eyed maybe, but as a whole,
like an animated movie almost always brings me to tears at the end because
of how hot felt the story purpose that's what. Yeah, but this had
like there was I had no attachment to any characters. I was not engrossed
in a way where you could ever bring me to tears with the ending other
than just pure nostalgia maybe overwhelming me. And I'm not that big a Mario
fan, so like my heart was not in this movie. Well, one
thing that my brain was because I had I was stimulated. One thing that
really impressed me about like a couple of minutes into the movie was that,
like Mario is such a weird concept, you know, like it's an Italian
plumber and he's the first game Italian plumber. I don't know why I'm playing
an Italian plumber stepping on it is well mushroom chests, nut guys, you
know, uh, but it just you just go with it and it just
makes sense for some reason. Everything about this world is weird and mysterious,
but you just kind of roll with it. And they didn't explain a lot
of stuff, like the power ups and the toads and and bomb creatures running.
Yeah. Yeah, they didn't explain anything. They just showed it.
And I was very impressed that it just worked. And I saw it with
my friend who's not a video game guy, and he just rolled with it
too. He was like, Okay, yeah, cool, cool, Like
you don't need That's what I love about it. You don't need an explanation.
It's so weird and wacky you just kind of like, Okay, I'm
in this weird, wacky world. Yeah. I agree. I think it
did a good job. I think it's also like what twenty twenty three now,
and we've seen so many movies in weird worlds and whacky moble stuff that
we're like, okay, just get well, that's the thing. A lot
of stuff like that explains too much. Yeah they try. Yeah, So
I think it's really impressive that Miyamoto crafted a world that's so different, has
zero explanation, and makes sense to everybody. Yeah, it's amazing. There's
a reason why the franchise is so popular, and it doesn't make really sense
why it is so popular. It really makes no sense. It was a
good it was a good game in a world where there were a lot of
band games, and for some reason, a little Italian short plumb a man
became a mascot everyone wanted to write or difle. It was a great character
design. He nailed it. Okay, that's it. That's that's our Mario
movie review was good. We liked it, Yeah it was. It would
say a lot. I would say we liked it a lot. Don't don't
get mad at the critics because they're right. But that doesn't mean that you
can't love the movie like we do. We absolutely. I'm sitting there as
as a critic whose job it is to pick apart a movie. We could
pick apart it for days. Yeah, you can't give this movie like a
ninety percent. You'll be laughed out of the Academy like literally an anime.
It's an illumination film. It was designed formulaically to be a blockbuster hitting for
everybody to go. That was nice when they it's critics jobs to be completely
non biased, like they can't bring their their preconceived love and notions from Mario
into a movie. They need to rate it as a movie, and as
a movie, it wasn't good. They did a very formulaic thing because they
wanted to appeal to the most amount of people possible and make a fun Mario
movie, and they crushed it. I think I would have done some things
differently, but I don't think I could have done that good on my own.
Yeah, that was really good. They did a good job. Yeah,
all right, um, do you have anything you want to add?
In the beginning of the movie, when it says illumination pictures, there's a
minion in a Mario Kart modeled after the groommobile from Despicable Me. I want
the minion and the cart to be in Mario Kart, please and thank you
Miamoto. Oh yeah, that would actually like that. That would be cool.
They started the movie with a with a callback. That was pretty cool.
It even worked like it does in Mario Car. That was cool.
I can't stress enough how cool it was when they were picking their carts and
they were playing the Mario Kart eight music. Yeah, it was. It
was how much focused there was on Mario Kart because they were like, Mario
Kart is arguably bigger than Mario. So yeah, a lot of people know
that character from that From that whole part of the movie was like a full
on Mario Kart eight movie. They had the flying aspect, they had the
wheels like the gravity wheel that was, they had bumping into each other throwing
the items, Like I kind of wish there had been an item block at
one point that they would have hit. Yeah, and then got like a
fun ability out of that. Maybe. I like how they explained the items
though. I thought that was like I was okay with it. Yeah,
based on that. No, it was cool. It was cool. I
think there's more we could gush over little easter eggs and fun parts of the
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