RHONJ Pt. 3 REUNION: Who's IN and Who's OUT!

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Carlos, I mean, what is going on?

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Speaker 1: You know what isn't going on?

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Speaker 2: So let's just get right into me because I already know how I made you operate. Yeah, we started this season really saying this is Melissa's last season bathe upon what we just watch, do you still think melissa time is up?

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Speaker 4: Based on the reunion? If I'm going to take a step back, who do I think won the reunion? Quote unquote between Teresa and Melissa? I think Melissa. I think Melissa. I mean she had a great reunion.

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Speaker 3: I think she was cool.

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Speaker 4: I think she was calm. I think she was collected. I think she had good arguments. I do think Teresa. I mean, I don't even know if she said anything. You know what, Carlos to answer your question, and if none of that matters, it don't matter. It don't matter. I don't think this. This was just a waste of everyone's time, this reunion. At the end of the day, I stand by you are not going to fire Teresa. Gu DJ Judies, however you want to say it.

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Speaker 3: You hate her, you love her.

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Speaker 4: Louise is a violations, these are all. This is a waste of everyone's time and energy. Melissa had a better reunion than Teresa. The MVP for me of the reunion is Teresa, because she sat there saying to.

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Speaker 3: Herself, none of this matters. I will never see you guys again.

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Speaker 2: And it's true yeah, I agree with you that I thought Melissa did a great job as reunion and I said to myself, is because she stopped trying to be this likable person. I don't think Melissa is inherently likable. I don't think she's inherently genuine. That's okay. There's tons of housewives who aren't that way that we love, you know, And I felt like in this reunion, it's like, finally we get to see the real Melissa. She didn't care about salvaging this relationship. She didn't care to say like, no, you know, I love you, peace, love and rainbows. I felt like she said, all gloves are off, our bets are off, and let's just go there. And I also agree with you that it doesn't mean her performance determines her position right now, because it's bigger than that. It's much bigger too, It's much bigger than you. Finally, finally, after over ten years, you finally performed well out of reunion. Because prior to that, which is why she's always been second se or third seed sometimes first. Teresa has never left her position after season two of having first seat, So we have to look at the longevity of it and Teresa at the end of the day, You're right, she said there, like I just don't care anymore.

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Speaker 1: I have nothing to give.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here and just know that I don't have to see you again.

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Speaker 4: I think that scene with Andy Cohne, like in the third part, where it was like they were backstage and he's like, come on, let's just go get this done, that was like when you and I talk when we're not on air, Like we're on air, we're being very natural now, but when you talk it's like behind the scenes, you don't.

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Speaker 3: It's so subtle. That was the like, le let's just please finish this, Let's just get this over. Come on, girl.

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Speaker 4: It's like that's like an old family member that it was so telling to me. I mean, look, no, he didn't say they're not going to be here, and I don't even think he really knows, but it's the subtlety that this is how you talk to someone that's clearly going to be here, and it's so clear. And don't get me wrong, I do think and we'll get to who else is going to be fired and everything. I think they want to keep Melissa. Why wouldn't you want to keep Melissa and Joe work.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, they love they Listen.

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Speaker 2: I would go on record saying I believe they love Melissa and Joe Gorga.

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Speaker 1: I think they love Joe Gorga more.

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Speaker 2: But I think this, if it wasn't for Joe Gorga, I think Melissa would have been fired years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and yes, but yes and yes and so I And by the way, here's what I say to people, because people are like, you're wrong Louis Is. So you know, I mean Louiss And we can get into Louis. That's a whole another we are we're gonna get But here's the thing. Let's just take a lot of drugs and go into an alternate universe here. People, let me, just for Devil's advocate, agree with everyone. Let's say that, okay, fine, you think Teresa and Louis are going to go. Let's pretend that now what we got rid of Teresa and next season, the New Jersey House wind it's going to be called the Real House West of New Jersey is going to come back, and the number one og on the show is going to be Melissa, and there's Margaret, and this whole show is going to be centered a round, Melissa, Let's just really think of what people are saying when they say Teresa's going to go, there is think about there's you're making your face that there is zero percent chance that is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Zero.

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Speaker 2: You have a better chance of seeing Anderson Cooper host the reunion show then for Melissa to ever be the force multiplier, the queen, be the face of Real Housewives of New Jersey, It's not going to happen. And again, I said this once and I'll say it over and over. At one point in time, Melissa was fantastic for the show.

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Speaker 1: She honestly was.

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Speaker 2: But let's be very clear, it was courtesy of her storyline being with Teresa. If you subtract Teresa from Melissa's story and I'm just being very honest here, and I have receipts to back it up, and the receipts are the seasons. Melissa has never had an a story that had any weight. The only thing she has ever given up is I'm looking for my lost long sister girl bye. I want to have a baby, girl please. It's the storylines that you've seen be recycled across all franchises, across all reality shows including nagy Day's Beyonce or sixty Days In.

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Speaker 1: It's the same shit, and.

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Speaker 2: If it was real, you would have produced a sister, you would have produced a baby. The only thing Melissa's capable of producing is herself when it comes to Teresa's storyline. So because of that, you're not going to see the network in my opinion, get rid of Teresa and have the show be about Melissa being the queen Bee with Margaret and Jennifer Aiden at Dolores. So let's get right into it. The reality of the party reunion one of the bigger accusations, and there's several to talk about David, the first one being Louie and Frankie Junior going their separate ways as it relates to business. So what happened was Frankie Junior was working at Louie's establishment and he no longer works there. Frankie Senior and Joe Gorga could not wait to talk about whatever happened. De Laura shut it down. She shut that shit down and said we're not doing it. She even thanked Louis, thank you for giving my son the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: She shut it down, and to Andy's credit, he said what we all were thinking, Well, this just raises more questions because you guys aren't talking about it now. Delores obviously is protecting her child. What made it so weird to me? And I'm just being very honest. It was sort of like this glee that Joe Gorga had in terms of trying to spill the tea that I felt was a little off putting because if the mother is saying I want I don't want to talk about this, then I think as a man, you should respect the mother saying shut.

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Speaker 1: It down and just keep your mouth shut.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to expose this situation when it involves someone's kid. Yes, Frankie Jr. Is of course over the age of eighteen, but at the end of the day, like you said, he's not contracted to do the show. He probably wants nothing to do the show anymore. And I respect Dolores being a mom protecting her cup, which also brings me to this, David. This whole accusation of Gia another child, yes, over the age of eighteen, but a child nonetheless being accused of telling uncle Joe Gorga that he could do better than Melissa. So Joe Gorga revealed that Teresa called Gia. Gia denied it, and Teresa left the scene of the crime because she was so emotionally hurt by it.

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Speaker 1: What did you think about all of that?

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Speaker 2: And do you think Joe Gorga is telling the truth or he's lying or should he have said anything at all?

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Speaker 4: It's like, so where I you know, I smiled and I'm like, oh God, Carlos, because I knew, I know for a thought about this Laura situation. And I know for a fact that Frank was not lying, and I know that that is, I understand what Laurus was doing.

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Speaker 3: And I know this for a fact.

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Speaker 4: This one is a little more tough for me because I don't know it is for a fact. But this one's tough, right, Like, I just can't I don't know, what do you think?

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 3: I can't see Gia saying that. Can you see if it's the thing?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So obviously I know Jia since she was a little girl doing pageants. And one thing I will say about Gia, and this is coming from somebody who has known her since she was a child, but also somebody who has watched her girl up to be an adult woman. Jia, from what I've seen and what I know, she has no problem coppying to stuff. She's very direct. She's her mother's child. She's very much like. We've seen Gia check her uncle on camera. We've seen Gia shade her aunt in a sense of like, I don't want to talk to you, like we don't have a relationship. I And again, y'all can call me stupid, and it's fine. I don't think she said it. What I think happened. I think Joe Gorga. And this is this what makes me so mad at Joe Gorga, because at the end of the day, you are a man. You're a man, and you have to stand up as a man and not involve your niece slash god daughter and the mess between your wife and your sister. These are grown adults. They both sign up to be on the show. Let them fight it out, and you're gonna choose your wife, and that's your prerogative, and that's fine. But the fact that you are so thirsty to make your sister and her family look bad, that you would involve your goddaughter slash niece into the mess. And I think Teresa's emotional reaction had to do that. My brother would stop at nothing. He would use me, and I'm used to that. He'll use my ex husband Joe. I'm used to that he's now using Louis. Fine, and I'm not saying Louis is like this perfect person. We'll get to that later. But I think Teresa drew the line with you won't stop at my child.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, And the thing is, look, when you are dating someone you know for nine months and now you went ring shopping and you come home and you tell the family I'm about to pose to this person. That's when you're like, listen, I have to stand up here because you're going to walk down the aisle plan a wedding hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions, and.

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Speaker 3: You could do you could do better, right, you can do better. I think you're barely speaking to these people at this point. You mean to tell me out of nowhere.

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Speaker 4: Gia decides to have a heart to heart and say, like your wife of how many years, twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it is, I mean, you can do better. Leave her.

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Speaker 4: I mean that is just a strange thing to say. With three children and this far and it just you don't say it right. That's the agree with you say it, you know, the first date, the third date, when you're meeting the parents, and before you propose, not now, so it's weird.

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Speaker 1: Come on, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that your god daughter Slash needs called you to say, uncle, Joe, do the right thing. This is your sister. And because, in my opinion, Joe allegedly just wants to make good TV at anyone's expense. I strongly, fundamentally believe that he wanted to make good TV at the expense of this because him not showing up to the wedding because of something they told you before filming even commenced. You didn't care about it then, so why all of a sudden, forty eight hours before the.

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Speaker 1: Wedding, you're not showing up, and then you are.

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Speaker 2: You're posting on your Instagram the day of the wedding, Oh, hanging out with the real family, Like, dude, be a man, Be a man and stand up to do the right thing for your sister.

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Speaker 3: Funny.

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Speaker 4: Josephina Gorga is the most dramatic housewife and possibly the history of housewives. Okay, Josephina Gorga. I believe is the is a toxic, dramatic person. To be honest with you, I mean, look, Teresa and Melissa hate each other, but I mean I blame Josephina more than Melissa.

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Speaker 2: I can't take a call him Joseph But I'm sorry, I gotta stop you. What I say to you, David, I want to scream inside this microphone. That is probably one of the funniest things I've heard all month. Josepha Gorga on the Patreon with Kim D.

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Speaker 4: We call Joe Josephina and Louisa's Louisa.

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Speaker 5: We have Louisa and Josefina Gorga, and now I got Kim D saying it every week on the pat Art And like my my listeners not fans, and if they are fans, I love my fans.

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Speaker 3: I'm like Melissa Gorgon.

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Speaker 4: But my listeners now referred to Josephina as Josepa, So range drops.

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Speaker 3: If you didn't know this, Joe.

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Speaker 4: Gorga behind the velvet rope is only referred to as Josephina.

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Speaker 3: So you are giving Joe.

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Speaker 4: You're giving this person a lot of credit for standing up and doing the right thing. I say, Josefina is one toxic, dramatic Beyonch and you can quote me on that.

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Speaker 2: This is my father the best siest episode of reality with the key in the history of the podcast. And guess what, I'm loving every minute of it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just you're the best.

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Speaker 4: I'm just literally, I mean, I really have nothing against these people. I think it's because I know so much, like the same way you know all these little things about the Atlanta It's just I truly do know these.

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Speaker 3: Things, and I don't know. I mean, and I'm a holding back a lot. I mean, I hate it. There's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, I'm scared.

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Speaker 4: There's just I mean, it's just it's just yeah, And listen to your point.

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Speaker 3: Kim has been saying.

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Speaker 4: This for years that Melissa and like to your point, because you say, you know, this is the realist we've seen Melissa. This is what Kim has been saying on the podcast every week. When Teresa and Melissa made a pact way back that Teresa had no one to film with and they said, let's make up for filming and keep our salaries.

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Speaker 3: Like, look at these women have hated each other.

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Speaker 4: They've never not hated each other right, they faked for the camera, toned down this. Even Andy said, thank you both, I guess for having such a real season. This was it, This was the realist. Yeah, you guys want real reality TV.

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Speaker 3: This is it.

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Speaker 4: And now Bravo has like their eyes are they don't even know what to do. They haven't slept in months to people have Bravo pr this. They don't know what to do day as But let me tell you something, Just like with bots and racism and a child getting bullied in high school, just like Beverly Hills, they were miserable, they're miserable. So Jersey is a change in guys, It is a change.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Allegedly?

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Speaker 4: I allegedly believe that's true. I heard and I and these bloggers.

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Speaker 3: Are D lists. D List.

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Speaker 4: Nobody I would ever collaborate with nobody, you would ever collaborate with your D list? So I'm not even I mean, could I mention that do I know the names of some of them, you know, dads and moms and all this other crap. But I'm not even gonna this would be a shout out. It's like when Melissa's mentioning a me on her podcast that she has one so whatever million followers and thank you. I'm not even going to give thank you all the pleasure of bringing them on Carlow's King rain Drop David Yanton behind the Belderine platform because it would be an elevation, honey. But yeah, no, I mean I heard she gave this one five for five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: That's it, in a Starbucks gift card. And just yes, look the whole.

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Speaker 4: Reason Margaret and I are not friends, the whole people people think that Mike Carlos is laughing. Guys, Yes, five hundred dollars. But look, do I believe that Margaret pays bloggers? Yes, I do, I honestly and truly because I know, I know they they have five hundred gift card this case. And by the way, I don't know if I said this on your show before, you know, I won't mention the name of the publication, but a major publication, because you know, I work with the media and get my show out there.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, honey, we saw you on the Hulu Hunty talking about the randal scandal of an All Babies. So no, we know that David is a household name. He was on Hulu. If you miss it, check it out. He was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Continue, please thank.

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Speaker 3: You, Darling.

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Speaker 4: So this publication, very big publication, said I have to tell you David, like this person said, I get calls all day, not Beverly, there's not one franchise.

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Speaker 3: She's like, New.

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Speaker 4: Jersey Margaret Melissa aid, they all call put this story out about this one I got all day.

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Speaker 3: She's like, and this is from a rep. This is confidential.

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Speaker 4: It's not like they're trying to They're like, let me tell you, so imagine this like imagine like I say, a People magazine. It's not People. I'm just giving an example that they'll get a call from Margaret. I got tea on ter Lisa. Let me tell you something, Hey, I know I called you an hour ago. I got something else to tell you. Hey, And I mean then the paper has to say, well, okay, we don't just run a story.

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Speaker 3: Trust me.

00:25:32
Speaker 4: I've gotten calls from major publications like we have to fact check this from four reliable sources speak to us off the record, is this true or not? If I say, listen, I know for a fact this is true. And here's why that ain't good enough, they don't have.

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Speaker 3: To call this.

00:25:48
Speaker 4: So yeah, papers, it's reputable, at least most of them. But like if you see something on a paid six or a TMZ or something, it's it's been checked.

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Speaker 3: By a lot of sources. Doesn't mean it's always right, but it's so.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine like a Margaret calling all day and trying to put shit out about Teresa and then say, I mean maybe Teresa is doing the same thing and Melissa and so they said, there's not one franchise that's that engrossed in calling us, in driving us crazy the New Jersey. So yes, Marge, my belief is with certain facts that I have that Margaret pays bloggers allegedly.

00:26:27
Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard the same.

00:26:29
Speaker 4: Okay, And by the way, that's why we're not friends anymore. People think that we're not friends because I had Laura, her ex best friend.

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Speaker 3: On my podcast. That's that look, that was I think you know.

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Speaker 1: The end, but for sure, yeah, that was the nail.

00:26:45
Speaker 3: On the coffin. But way before that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a blogger, podcast or whatever you want to call me that can be paid. So all season, when Margaret wanted me to put out her narrative on my podcast and be team Melissa, Team Melissa, Team Alissa, I'm like, that's not how this behind the development rope show works. I take it people are like you and Kim dr flip floppers. Yes, that's we are. Each week we provide what we have witnessed. One week, I have an issue with Teresa, one week I have an issue with Melissa. Then I have an issue with Teresa again. It changes every week based on what I am hearing and.

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Speaker 3: And that's called a good thing.

00:27:21
Speaker 4: So when Margaret basically wanted me to be team Melissa all season and anti Teresa, I'm like, my duty is to my audience. That's all I care about, not to you, and that is really where our friendship. I'm like, there's nothing you can do for me. I don't need the five hundred, I don't need the one thousand. She never offered me money. I'm not cleaning that, but she wanted me to put her narrative out there, and I'm like, that's not how this works.

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Speaker 2: Go on, it gets messy, that's the thing it gets. It gets messy. One of the messiest things that came out this episode part through Reunion of New Jersey was the fact that Dina Man's and her husband were mentioned and these allegations that they fell out over business dealing. Dina Manzell has been silent over what's going on. The only thing she said was they were filming and she didn't want to be a part of it, which is believable because at the end of the day, Dina doesn't want to be a part of the show anymore. She's made that very clear. But there's still this word fallout between these friends. What do you think about the supposed allegation that Dina Manzel's husband and Louis had a business deal that went wrong and that is the reason why this falling out happened? Or did you hear something else?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: I heard that and you know, based on my research, and I believe that's one hundred percent true. Look, I don't think Dina wants like I think Dina, you know, and everyone's like Dina said Dina said, Gina said, I don't care what Dina said anymore than I can don't care what Anti Cone says when he says there's no New Jersey pause. Well, New Jersey films traditionally two weeks after it ends. That's not happening, Andy, it's a pause. I understand you've been told by your boss, boss's boss's boss, who makes even more money than you, to backtrack as the face of the network, and now you have to sell books, and as you're selling your books, you're being asked about this, and I understand that there's no pause. Well, there is a pause in the sense that we're not filming, and that the girls were told to have a great summer and we're going to the girls were told have a great summer, and we're not sure when we're filming again. That I mean, I was told that directly.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, now things change by the minute. So do I think that they could start filming in September?

00:29:48
Speaker 3: Sure? Do I think they could start filming in January? Sure?

00:29:52
Speaker 4: But they were told, like we truly do not. It's not like have a great summer. You know, here's your contracts are going out. We'll see you in September, or it was like have a great summer. They were told you can go fly wherever you want, you want to go to, you know, on a safari in Africa. Go ahead, your cell phone doesn't work, that's fine, enjoy That sounds like a pause to me. That sounds like I have a great summer. And then there was like, we don't know when we're filming. We'll have to figure this out. So that sounds like an indefinite pause, which could be a year, it could be three months.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

00:30:26
Speaker 4: It just means like they gotta figure this out, believe it or not. I think the shorter the pause, the less good news it is for Melissa, because I don't know what there is to figure out, Like we'll get into that in a second.

00:30:37
Speaker 3: But there is a pause.

00:30:38
Speaker 4: So just like Andy could say there's no pause, but there is, Dina can say all day of course, like I don't think Dina has a problem with Teresa. I think if they saw each other they were cordial. Dina does not want to be Dina as Namas day all day, not like Teresa Nomas day where she says that and then is basically storming off and slamming doors, and that is why we love you, Teresa. But Dina is truly her podcast is about like, look, Dina's one of the only housewives that hasn't been behind the velvet rope she. I mean, Dina probably would come on my podcast if I wanted to talk about, you know, holistic healing for an hour. But I guarantee you people would say, sweetheart, if you mentioned the word real housewives, sir Teresa, we're hanging up on the zoom. So I don't know what the point of this talk is, but I guarantee you that. So Dina really does not want She's not a lot of these housewives.

00:31:31
Speaker 3: Oh I'm over it. No, she really is over it. So she doesn't even want that.

00:31:36
Speaker 4: Narrative out there. So I think she's saying this to shut it down. She has nothing against Teresa, she'll never speak out. But no, I think her and you know Day from my sources are like, let's just completely distance ourselves because we have seen some things with Louis that we just that this isn't kosher and good luck to them. We have no harm, but we want no part of this deviousness.

00:32:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with you. I also heard allegedly that there is a pause, but that the pause has nothing to do with deciding whether or not they're going to choose between Melissa and Teresa, that a large part of it allegedly has to do with Louie. What we learned during this reunion was Margaret alleging that Louie reached out to her son at his job and threaten him, and she provided receipts of phone records where Louie admitted that it is my cell phone number, but I didn't do it. I am hearing that the ladies are saying they don't feel comfortable allegedly being around Louie, and that has.

00:32:38
Speaker 1: To be figured out.

00:32:40
Speaker 2: What do you think about these accusations of Louie contacting Margaret's son and hiring private investigators to do background checks and find dirt on these housewives and their husbands.

00:32:56
Speaker 4: This one is so complicated in layer, yes, because first of all, you have this woman, Margaret, who just lies. She just lies, So you got to start with the fact that this woman is lies. Now people have blown up these these listeners, these listeners, you you viewers, you guys are so I mean, you and I were talking before we went out I didn't even know Needy leaks, wasn't it, and that She's like, I don't. I don't realize anything. Guys like everyone gives. I mean, I know shit in the real world, and that's my value. But I don't notice. People are like, did you see it? So people blew up Marge's receipt and they're like, well, it's like a picture of a picture of a So people have blown that up and she held that up and are saying like that don't look like a receipt to me.

00:33:40
Speaker 3: Now, I'm just putting that out there. That's what people are doing.

00:33:43
Speaker 4: But I mean Louis says he never hired bo Dedal, which I mean Boddle has said this, so we don't you know, I trust bo Dedal with my life. Of course, you know I'm going to be hiring mister Didell if iren the end.

00:33:58
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, girl, I ain't any other calls. I mean, you want to come for me, Melissa, guess what? Like you know?

00:34:06
Speaker 4: But so look if this one's complicated, because they're saying that you can like spoof someone, I guess which can call someone with your number on a landline. I don't know how any of this works. I mean, Louis is saying it's my number. It's just I don't know. I mean, here's the thing, this is what I want to know. Is there really a police report? Did Margaret really go to the police? That is what I would like to know, because I think Margaret is smarter than I. You go to the police with a false claim and you're in thought, Oh baby, excuse language, rain drops, but you're in trouble.

00:34:44
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so you're sorry, go ahead.

00:34:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:34:48
Speaker 4: So she is someone who we know doesn't pay her bills, she's someone who's been sued, she's someone who has done some bad things.

00:34:56
Speaker 3: But I don't think Margaret.

00:34:58
Speaker 4: Is dumb enough that she would go and involve the actual authorities when she is just and this is a lie.

00:35:07
Speaker 3: So I'd like to know is they're really a police report?

00:35:11
Speaker 4: Because if there is, I tend to then believe it. But I where's the police report? Because I mean, people have now blown this up and I don't know what that was.

00:35:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think to your point, the Jersey fans are so invested that if there was a police report, we would have seen it on all the blogs. And I think if Margaret allegedly and somebody who pays blogs. Then I think the police report right would have shown up if that was the case.

00:35:39
Speaker 1: And that's the reason.

00:35:40
Speaker 2: Why a lot of people are giving me shit, like you don't condemn Louie. You never say anything bad about him, Carlos. You always like you're such a tree thugger because you know I call her thug it's tree thuggers now, David, you're such a tree thugger that you won't admit that Louise carry And I said to them, I'm facing Louie off of what I've seen on the show, of the episodes I've seen, and I said, Guys, I work in reality television.

00:36:08
Speaker 1: I know that things can be doctored.

00:36:11
Speaker 2: On one of my other shows, Love and Marriage Huntsville, David, there were accusations of the phones being tapped because what Andy said is happening to the housewives and including him. How these numbers appear based on Like, for example, if Melissa Gorga is calling Andy, the phone would say Melissa Gorga, but it could.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: Be a bot.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: And I'm saying that's true because that happened to my cast on another show, And how does it work? Okay, So it's called like it's a spam. Okay, So what's happening with the housewives that Andy said is all of the housewives, not just Jersey. It's happening all across the franchise. Is their phone would bring and the name will pop up of a particular housewife, right and when they answer the phone, you're thinking like, oh, it's the housewife whose name I see on my cell phone.

00:37:04
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's not.

00:37:06
Speaker 2: It could be a totally different person, a fan, a scammer, anybody. And Andy has said that this has happened to him. I'm saying that is true because on one of my other shows, a cast member accused someone of tapping their phone lines and trying to.

00:37:27
Speaker 1: Find on information.

00:37:29
Speaker 2: But it's sort of this cross reference of like, who's you know calling somebody based on the name that appears. I'm saying all of that to say because Markert provided a receipt that and listen, I'm talking as a producer. They showed Jackie Goldschneider's receipt of Jacqueline texting her. When they do that, guys, when they blow it up to the full screen, it's because they have validity that this is real, because you don't want to get sued in cases.

00:38:02
Speaker 1: Not that's why they blow it up. It was a real conversation.

00:38:07
Speaker 2: Don't you find it interesting that in this alleged receipt that Margaret had Louie calling her son, Allegedly, they never blew up the receipt. They could have blacked out the Louis cell phone number. So to your point, you just I just don't know. I don't know if he did it is disgusting and he should be condemned if he did it. If he did it, unfortunately, I just don't know.

00:38:39
Speaker 4: Well, as a producer, you now have me thinking like, why didn't they blow it up? I never thought about that, and Carlos is producer, why didn't they blow it up?

00:38:48
Speaker 3: Listen, people give me shit all the time too.

00:38:50
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, I don't even know when did this podcast become so one sided?

00:38:54
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not really one sided.

00:38:57
Speaker 4: I am not a tree thugger, I'm not a tree stump, not a treatment her. I just Melissa has personally come for me and I had to snap the bitch down. I'm over it now, Like one thing has nothing to do with the other. The fact that I think she is going has nothing to do with my dislike for her or my life for Teresa.

00:39:17
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily loved Theresa. I got some issues with her too, but there is.

00:39:22
Speaker 4: A warmth to her in a genuine iss yes, that Melissa does not possess. But I agree with you. Why didn't they blow it up? They blow everything up, they show everything ever you know they Why why wouldn't they? I mean that's a pretty big piece of information.

00:39:40
Speaker 2: No, no, it is, and that's why I said to everybody, you can't every housewife nowadays has a receipt in a Manila envelope that they got them Kinkos.

00:39:52
Speaker 1: It's the same.

00:39:54
Speaker 2: It's to the point now where receipts, like you said earlier about Melissa is using it. I'm over the word receipts. Stop it. It's beginning played out and predictable. But I looked at it through the lens of a producer of if that was the case, they blew up Jacqueline's text message. Why didn't they blow up these receives Margaret has? And maybe it's because they could not really legally say this.

00:40:17
Speaker 1: This document looks real.

00:40:19
Speaker 2: Not saying it was fake, but I'm saying you always have to look at things that meets the eye. Now, the biggest question we have in this episode, David, is the future of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I stand by my case that you're not going to have my list in Teresa back the same season. I don't care how great Melissa performed, and I agree with you it was her best, best, best performance of all time. I think the writing is on the wall. Now, this is my prediction.

00:40:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me, I do predictions.

00:40:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do believe that the network and everyone involved loves the Gorgas, and I get it because of Joe, Joe's great or Josephina. Okay, so there's no Jersey without Teresa.

00:41:02
Speaker 1: Sorry, be mad at me. I hate listen.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: I don't like saying it because I produce other shows and you never want a star to believe that the show cannot move on without her. I look at facts. They put the show on palls when she was in jail. That indicates Melissa can I carry your show on her own?

00:41:18
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two.

00:41:21
Speaker 2: Ramona allegedly not being asked back for Ronie and them rebooting the entire franchise is because they know you can't do Ronnie. Without Ramona, you just can't tam or Judge not being on oc suffered and they brought her back after putting her on Palls. We'll see how Biverly Hills is going to do, David. They're already saying it's not enough drama because Lisa Rena is gone.

00:41:45
Speaker 1: I believe she'll be back.

00:41:46
Speaker 2: To I sell that to say those tree huggers, the thuggers, and the stumpers, they will pick it at all of the offices if Teresa does not come back.

00:41:58
Speaker 1: And at the end of the at.

00:41:59
Speaker 2: The end of the day, creatively, you can't continue that show without Teresa.

00:42:06
Speaker 1: You can without Melissa.

00:42:07
Speaker 2: So with that being said, either one or two things is going to happen. Either they're going to give Teresa a spin off and say, Teresa like have the Lache lay on Merrow's place. You are a guest star on Jersey, will see you in big events, you can make appearances, and that way Melissa stays or Melissa is on pause. Will Melissa be fired? No, I think she would be put on pause for a year to see how the season progresses. And secondly, to give them Melissa versus Teresa a break.

00:42:41
Speaker 4: I kind of agree with some and many see this is what I think.

00:42:45
Speaker 1: I think that go ahead tell me I.

00:42:47
Speaker 3: Agree with you.

00:42:48
Speaker 4: I just am like it's not And by the way, like Louis, people say liability at all of this, but there is more there. I mean, Teresa's job is not in jeopardy. If she were dating a school teacher who was like quiet and buy the book and a nice humble man, she happened to hit TV reality TV gold. I mean, once again, Teresa is just I mean people Bravo's thrilled with Louis. They don't care. They won't have Jen Shott until she was going to jail. Like if Louie is up to no good, Bravo don't care. The day that he's whatever and whatever illegal things allegedly and all this which mate, they'll say goodbye and they'll kick his ass to the curve. But till that happens, Bravo will gladly film with him. That's all a legend.

00:43:35
Speaker 3: We don't even know. So Louis is not a.

00:43:38
Speaker 4: Liability to the extent that we're getting rid of Teresa. I agree with you, it's never going to happen. I do think that person if you put everyone's name on the whiteboard. As you know, as a producer, you take off. I mean, if anyone out there listening cares, I just ran into Jackie Goldschneider a few weeks ago.

00:43:55
Speaker 3: I like you, Jackie. We take Fessler and Jackie's off when we throw it in the garbage. Does any want care? No?

00:44:01
Speaker 4: Sorry, Jackie, You're not coming back. Then we have I believe. Actually the next name, the third name to come off that board is Margaret's. I think Margaret actually comes off before Melissa, because well here's what I think, because you need look, we're not taking a look. This is like the rented situation. When this comes back, this is going to feel just like Beverly Hills, where we hear there's no drama. I actually think Bravo wants that Jersey style, so there'll be some you know, thugness, as you say, but they want we want to distance ourselves. So when it comes back from a pause, Beverly Hills is going to be like Lisa Renno was never there. It's going to feel so we're not coming back to tie up all these loose ends. We're going to come back and reset the whole damn show. So They know that Margaret is associated with these pain bloggers and all these alleged things. They they she has this around her, and I think, to change this show. If you're going to get rid of Melissa, you get rid of Margaret too. It's nothing to do with me disliking her. I just think to reset the show. If Melissa is going, Margaret also is up there. She's making what seven eight hundred that? What is she in her?

00:45:16
Speaker 3: How many years?

00:45:17
Speaker 4: It's a big ticket, you say them about two point eight million dollars right now by getting rid of these two people or two million where I think they will get rid of Melissa, Margaret Fassler, and Jackie and move forward with everyone else. I think if Melissa goes, Margaret is going with her, and I think I do, And then I think, and by the way, I know this for a fact. I don't know if everyone knows this the rain dress, but I know for a fact this is a fact.

00:45:43
Speaker 3: This is natural.

00:45:44
Speaker 4: They're interviewing right now, like New York, in New Jersey, they are truly meeting thirty one.

00:45:50
Speaker 3: To maybe forty.

00:45:51
Speaker 4: They're not going to say this it's illegal, but they're interviewing women in their thirties early forties. Like when I say now, I mean like yesterday, last week.

00:46:00
Speaker 3: The interviews are happening. They're talking to people night and day, day and night right now, not tomorrow. Today. These interviews are happening now.

00:46:10
Speaker 4: We would like try that in New York and we didn't find anyone and we had to fire the whole cast and start over. So I'm not saying that they are on the verge of finding someone, but these interviews are happening right now.

00:46:20
Speaker 3: So if anyone out there lives in Jersey and they.

00:46:23
Speaker 4: Also would like really really really rich too, that they're they're trying.

00:46:28
Speaker 3: So I believe that's the most likely case.

00:46:31
Speaker 4: The only other thing I can see is they get rid of everybody, give Teresa her own spin off and just move forward with Danielle Cabral and Rachel Fuda and just it's like New Jersey Housewives two point zero. But I really think that's the less likely situation. And I really think Teresa stays on the show, and I think there is zero and like, think about it, if Melissa goes and Jackie Infestler and Margaret stays Mark, it's still too toxic. Teresa just said she's done with Margaret. It's too They want this to come back and be fine. There's gonna be drama.

00:47:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, they a drama, but they want to refresh.

00:47:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know. Margaret is just it's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. It's gonna be too combative. Like I think, it's just a chance. And by the way, her story Listen, Margaret was a great housewife. Melissa was a great housewife. It's like, what is Margaret's story going forward? Cabral We don't know anything about her yet, Buddha, there's so much more there. We got a Laura and when Margaret, I think her time is up. I really do so. I really think that's what's gonna have. That's my prediction.

00:47:39
Speaker 3: Whoo.

00:47:40
Speaker 1: Well, Ryan Thobs, let me know woo. This is obviously.

00:47:44
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I've gone so far in my show as to saying one hundred percent.

00:47:49
Speaker 3: So if Melissa is on this show.

00:47:51
Speaker 4: Next season, Carlos, they are gonna nail me to the cross. They are coming for me because I have gone so far as to say there's like zero percent chance. So if Melissa is dot Man, people are wow to destroy which is okay.

00:48:09
Speaker 3: It is what it is, but I'm gonna get you.

00:48:11
Speaker 1: It's okay, listen.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: Anything can happen in the land of Real Housewives, as we have seen and learned, So it's okay, It's okay. But these are some great predictions. So rain Drops, make sure you hashtag me and David at Reality with the King and let us know about our predictions about the future of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. Do you agree with us, disagree with us, let us know. But David, this has been, like I said, one hundred percent, the most hilarious, messiest episode I've ever taped on Reality with the King podcast, and of course it's because of you. Please let everyone know where they could find you, follow you and support your top rated, highly successful podcast.

00:48:54
Speaker 4: Thank you, and I was calm today. This is like I'm calm and everything. Oh, but I mean so sorry to be so net Raindrops.

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