MLB realignment division dreams + Injury Expert updates on Wheeler, Hader, Roki, Judge, MORE

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said. All right, let's get right to the good stuff here. Commissioner Rob Manfred on the Little League broadcasts that asked him about the eventual realignment that could occur, and he's like, yeah, of course. I mean, he said, quote, I think the owners realize there's demand for him all being a lot of great cities, and we have an opportunity to do something good around that expansion process. But I mean the juicy part was the opportunity for them to separate this by region.

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Speaker 3: Were they making it like the NBA, like the East and the Western Conference, and then they're going to play it off like that what they want to do.

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Speaker 2: He talked about you heard about the West Coast games for the East Coast teams and that hurts the ratings and all.

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Speaker 1: That, but they still have that in other leagues.

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Speaker 3: You still have Braves, still have to go play the Mariners every other year.

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Speaker 2: But less of it.

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Speaker 1: How's it going to be less of it?

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Speaker 2: Because they're going to realign and have divisions, like what, everybody's still.

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Speaker 1: Gonna play everybody Everybody love everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody love everybody, but only a little bit, so you get less up.

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Speaker 1: So basically this, you know, this effects Texas and Houston. That's it. It only affects Texas and Houston because then because they have.

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Speaker 3: To go to the West Coast and play the Angels and the Mariners twice a year.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: What else is it?

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Speaker 4: Effect?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't change one other one other team affects two teams.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, because the divisions already are regionalized enough, Uh tell me.

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Speaker 1: Which team travels more. There's two teams that travel two time zones.

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Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, American League and National League right has teams from all over the country put together. Now, like you said, with NBA Eastern Conference, Western Conference, we have a board built for this. Jim Boden wrote about this I think a year or two ago, and the.

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Speaker 1: Time zones have nothing.

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Speaker 3: That was that was the one thing where I'm like, that doesn't matter because times because in the in the in the NBA, the Lakers and the Celtics still play one home game in one road game.

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Speaker 1: They still got to go over there.

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Speaker 3: The Mets are still going to have to travel to Anaheim every other year because they do the thing so once a year, they're gonna still have to travel there unless they change the schedule back to you know where the in the division is more.

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Speaker 2: But it'll be less schedule because they're gonna play your Eastern Conference games more than your interleague or interconference games. You don't why am I off? But don't you?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: So what every team?

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Speaker 2: I understand that every team plays every team. But for example, like you said, okay, the Mets playing the Angels every other year one time they're playing in Anaheim, that's a lot less than the Mets will play every team in the National League, right, or even.

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Speaker 1: Let's use they play every team in the National League.

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Speaker 2: The Yankees are a better example, right because they're in the American League. So are the Angels. Okay, so they play in Anaheim every year. Okay, so if this scenario plays out, they're gonna play them every other year, so it's less. Why is that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's stupid to me. That was the one thing he said, though, stupid. Now they want expansion because they want the money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course that's what they want, But you don't have to expand and re align. They're talking about realignment, of course, to a lot of people with like, wait, what, they've been talking about that for a long time. Wait, why is it crazy you're saying it?

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Speaker 3: So why Okay, so let me ask, so, why would you if you go east and west? Right, then the the NBA does it. We're gonna use the NBA because they're East and West. You can't use football because they don't play everybody every year.

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Speaker 2: But what I.

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Speaker 3: Understand what you're saying about, they only go So you mean to tell me that they're going to take a traditional American League team like the Angels, and you're gonna take every team and put them like say American League team nationally.

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Speaker 1: And I saw the division they're talking about doing.

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Speaker 3: Whatever, we're gonna take all the whole West, the whole western half of the US, and the whole eastern half of the US, and the East coast teams are really only going to play the East Coast. They're only going to play the West Coast teams on the road once.

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Speaker 2: Every other year potentially. Yeah, that's a big difference.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge difference. But I don't get why why can't they still do I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, whatever, miles my gas is expensive on those plants. Just wait, so let's show the Let's show the layout here while Kratz goes through his answer, so we can show the new divisions, because I think this helps to explain things. Now, this isn't what MLB laid out, This is what Jim Bowden lay scenario. Yeah, this is this is dated. And also keep in mind that the expansion is going to include a West Coast team, so it's going to be a little off because in this scenario, Boden put two uh Eastern Conference teams in right in Nashville and in Charlotte. But he has the East Division as the Red Sox, the Mets, Yankees, and the Phillies. The North Division of the Eastern Conference has the Reds, the Guardians, the Tigers, and the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays fans are like, who is let's get out of the East. Mid Atlantic Division Baltimore, Charlotte, Pittsburgh, and Washington. I'd be very thrilled to be in that division too. Southeast Division Atlanta, Nashville and Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Bay, Miami. Miami's in the southwest to southeast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we're missing, We're missing.

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Speaker 1: Miss Miami's in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Midwest Division Chicago, both Chicago teams Milwaukee Minnesota. Southwest Division has the Astros, the Rangers, the Cardinals, and the Royals in the middle of the country, and then the Pacific Coast Division would be the Rockies, the A's, Vegas A's, the Mariners, and the Giants, followed by the West Division with the Diamondbacks, the Angels, the Dodgers, and the Padres Krats.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 5: I like it for the blue Jays. The blue Jays are going to freaking They're going to be a large market team in small market. They're gonna look down on those dudes and be.

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Speaker 1: Like, you guys, don't spend any money.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna annihilate this division. I like it. I actually wish, I actually hope. I know we're not getting to our teams that we're gonna we think or cities that should you can mix it. Yeah, but I love that Charlotte's in there. I love that Charlotte is in there. I think Nashville. If Nashville is in a lock, I don't know, but I don't know who screws it up. If Nashville isn't a lot just as far as region wise and everything. But Charlotte, I think is a big League City.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 5: You need something out on the west coast or towards the west, so really kind of make that alignment more symmetrical. But I think I think it's great. I think it's great for Major League Baseball. They get to they get to keep all the big players in one division in the whatever the East, whatever that Eastern Division is, I'm not sure even what that was, but it's all all large markets. It'll force, you know, force everybody to keep complaining that that division has all the big teams and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 4: But I like it.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it changes as much as people think. My hope is that less travel. If there is less travel, if they can show that there's less travel, that it does help with players injuries because then we get to see the stars more often. Fans, you wanna have confidence when you go out in public. Absolutely, we can't all wear a backwards hat like me. But you can get some true classic fit shirts. It almost looks like, oh wow, the shirt was tailored for me. Nope, it's every true classic. This John is soft, it is smooth, and it makes you look a little jacked.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, and krats, you are jacked. And you are spot on. True Classic is the spot to go if someone's like, where do I get shirts? True Classic. The colors are fantastic. They've sold over twenty five million shirts to more than five million customers. Their shirts just win the feel, the tailored look, the price. We all wear True Classic on FT I mean cam maybe literally can't say enough about them too. Next time we have Camon, hit up True Classic dot com slash foul, give it a shot, upgrade your wardrobe and save on True Classic at True Classic dot com slash foul. That's True Classic dot Com slash fo u l. That's a competitive advantage though, if you're in Toronto and that's how the division plays out, because then you get to watch the Red Sox, Yankees, met and Phillies beat each other up. If you think those are the teams that are going to be in better positions. Yeah, but wait, let's get to the core of this. Fans are like, you can't realign, you can want draw this out.

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Speaker 3: I just don't like the fact that you won't. I think I think there's a way to keep the National in the American League.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm more of a traditionalist in that in that sense, like I don't have a problem when team switch leagues and all that.

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Speaker 1: You have a National American league. We're not the NBA. Okay, it's not the NBA. And that's the things why make it east And I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: Novel I get it, but teams, teams have always had to deal with that.

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Speaker 1: So listen, whatever they want to do, they're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, they came to you and said, hey, we're going to cut down the travel some of the Dude, my.

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Speaker 1: Trouble is easy. I never had a problem when you was in the Giants. You had to go east Red Sox. Here's it sucks. People think Red Sox Boston's close to New York.

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Speaker 5: It ain't.

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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, if you're on Boston, it's now, Hey, we're going to make life a lot easier for you with travel. It matters. Seattle, they deal with a lot they do. That's tough for them. That's an underrated component of what the Mariners deal with every year. They travel more than almost every team every year.

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Speaker 5: Here's my one here's my one comment. And obviously this is not locked in stone who it's going to be, but major League Baseball has Boston or Jim Bowden has Boston, Yankees, Mets, Phillies all in their own divisions? What would that? What do they all have in common that every other team wants but they don't have they have their own network?

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Speaker 1: Now what if.

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Speaker 5: They start selling these selling these divisions, these conferences by the groups, because that's what that's what Manford wants, just saying.

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Speaker 2: Phillies don't have their own network like that, it's probably NBC.

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Speaker 5: It's NBC Sports, but it's NBC Philly. It's it's essentially their own I mean the.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: I mean the Giants also have the same NBC Sports.

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Speaker 1: It's not their own network. They don't.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't own like the Mets and the Yankees and the Red Sox do they own.

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Speaker 2: That's to me, that's a whole separate, whole different things, which we've talked about a lot.

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Speaker 1: Certain certain places get better ratings.

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Speaker 3: Like that Mets, Phillies, Yankees, that would get you know, he's all worried about like the TV ratings. But then you throw in, I mean the reds that that division with Toronto, those ratings are gonna probably be less.

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Speaker 1: Not knock on those fans. There's just less people there.

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Speaker 2: How about this, You're gonna have more matchups between the Mets and the Yankees, the Cubs and the White Sox. You want a little more of that.

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Speaker 3: No, they play six times a year already. I mean they're gonna play twelve times years. Then it waters it down. I feel like a little bit doesn't make it a spect.

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Speaker 2: No again, you're on the White Socci and it's just like, hey, going to regular again.

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Speaker 4: I mean the.

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Speaker 1: Travel is great, but I played in the Central. The travel is always great in the Central.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna happen some people that are complaining about it. This has been planned for a long time. The surprising thing to me.

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Speaker 1: The expansion teams. They go to Nashville and Portland, they go to Nashville and Salt Lake.

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Speaker 3: Can they find teams that will give them two billion dollars hmmm or four billion whatever the expansion for you, whatever they decided is. And then they got to build a stadium, and then they got to do the teams and everything. So you're looking at five to six billion to get a team. There ain't a lot of places that can do that.

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Speaker 2: I know, go ahead, quick to your teams. So we got to go in a second. Yeah, you guys Nashville right.

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Speaker 1: In Nashville and salt Lake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I got Nashville and salt Lake as well. Just it's a pure money government situation. Is there money there from an ownership group? Is the government on board to give a lot of tax dollars? That's how they put these things together. That is the biggest factor. Obviously they've got to make sure it's, you know, a market that they think is going to succeed. Blah blah blah. But anyway, the part to me that was shocking about this yesterday wasn't that Manford spoke about it. I don't think you said anything that surprising. I was just like, what defans not know? I mean, this has been talked about for ten years. People were like breaking news, Rob Manfred talking about realignment. I'm like, they've been talking about this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's his legion, that's his legacy. He wants it done. He'll get it done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with it. Will Carol injury expert under the knife the sub stack, make sure you check it out. Will great to have you on. Of course, we always have you on with with bad news. Just it is what it is. You're used to the role here, So we do want to start with one that seems pretty serious even from you know, a non baseball perspective. Can you dive into the right upper extremity blood clot that Zach Wheeler is dealing with for the Phillies.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this one's really complex and we The first thing we have to deal with is importance. You know, baseball is secondary when we have any sort of injury like this, where there's even the chance that this is life threatening, let alone career threatening. Now, we've got a lot of treatments for this. They could easily take care of this with medicine. There are some procedures to kind of roto root it out. That sounds terrible, but that's pretty much what it is. But they've got to fix this clot first. Then they've got to come back and figure out why it had the clot. You know, is this something that happened in travel, Is this something that happened just from health or genetics, or is this something from the repetitive stress. We see situations where just that over and over overhand throwing motion comes back and gets you. You're beating that that artery or vein that blood vessel they and clots build up. It sort of leaks a little bit, and then it tries to clot up the way.

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Speaker 4: It would with anything. So they have to take care of that.

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Speaker 6: After they figure out the root cause, then we can start looking at it.

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Speaker 4: Is it just gonna be medicine.

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Speaker 6: Is it going to be something where they have to go in and remove a rib that happens a lot has that in common with thorcic outlet syndrome, though it's not the same. We've seen this injury more and more just because we have better diagnostics, but we're catching it earlier, which is leading to better outcomes.

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Speaker 4: So with Zach.

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Speaker 6: Wheeler right now, they've got to figure out how to take care of the clot first, second, why this came up in the second place, and then get back to the baseball questions.

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Speaker 5: Okay, worst case scenario for obviously we're talking about blood clots. I'm not talking about death and it going somewhere, or seizures or strokes or anything. I'm talking about worst case baseball scenario and best case scenario.

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Speaker 6: Best cases, they clear up the clot pretty quickly, they find a medicine he can deal with and he gets back to baseball in a fairly quick fashion. Yeah, that's gonna be kind of variant. We've seen more of this in basketball, where Victor Wembanana Chris Bosh his career basically ended because of recurring clots.

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Speaker 4: He simply couldn't fly, and that is a worry.

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Speaker 6: Now Wheeler went back to Philadelphia, so they have to have some confidence that that's not a big problem, which tells me they're thinking this is the repetitive stress and if so, they're gonna chunk that rib. He comes back at the start of next season, but he's out for the playoffs. Best case, they just clear the clot he gets back to throwing misses a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got I got asked, because you're giving us best case, he.

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Speaker 1: Said, he gave us there, and Judge, it's gonna be out for a month. And now he's back. He came back in ten days, so we were all we were all like, oh, no, oh, the season's over, and then boom he's back and he's doing all right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not hitting for any power. I'm still convinced.

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Speaker 3: He went way back on the game I did in center field at all. I mean, he hit off the guy's glove, but it went out.

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Speaker 2: He's not hitting this month like he does.

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Speaker 6: He's a two home runs, so that's good sign, but it took him a while to get there. I'm still not convinced he's one hundred percent. He's out there playing, he can get it done. I mean, the guy swings so hard and has such odd mechanics that I am still worried about him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair understood, all right.

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Speaker 3: Now, Now we just talked about rookie Sazaki, and now his rehab has him been going on? What do you see out of Roki Sazaki? Because his villa's gone. He was ninety eight to one hundred. Now he's ninety one, like ninety two.

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Speaker 6: That's the big worry is because when he was doing live batting practice, there was talk about him living at ninety six.

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Speaker 4: Ninety seven, and we were like, okay, now he's back, right. This guy has had a lot of arm injuries. He's really young.

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Speaker 6: He had an elbow issue the year before he came over. Since he came back, he's been you know, so baby that we can't even tell really. So his velosity was down, his control was everywhere. I can't think being in Oklahoma City made him too nervous. So this is a concern. He's got to get back to just pitching. And even so at that point, where does he fit in. He's probably not gonna be a reliever just because he has a long complex warm up. Is he going to be kind of maybe a tandem guy? Do you put him in with Shoeyotani, who's building back up. He's at five innings now. There's a lot of ways this could go, but I think you guys got it right in the previous segment. He's got a pitch well before he can push his way in. They didn't spend so much money that they have to bring him up. They've shown they can burn money there in Los Angeles. But Sasaki's got a lot of talent. They got to get him right, all right.

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Speaker 5: A team that needs started pitching is Michael is the Padres, and they need Michael King to get back. When a guy's rehabbing from an arm injury, and the knee is the thing that acts up without it obviously knowing did he tweak it somewhere or something else. There was nothing wrong in the MRI, but they removed a decent amount of fluid out of it, and he had a recovery.

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Speaker 1: Is that more concerning?

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Speaker 5: Obviously, if you see some type of structure, structural damage and an MRI, then you're like, okay, well we know what it is. When there's no structural damage, is it harder to diagnose and say, man, we can't just keep taking fluid out and expecting this guy to go six innings for us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're exactly right. The question is why let's talk about the first thing? Is I hate the phrase no structural damage because what's a structure? I mean his bone structure is the niscus of structure. I would say yes. I think most people would say yes. Yet in an MRI result, those things don't really show up. You know, you're looking at ligaments, you're looking at bones. People talk about, you know, we didn't see anything on x ray. Well, the x ray didn't show the ligaments. That's not what it does. It looks for bones. I think this is a situation where he was doing a little too much. He was focused on his arm. I don't think they were letting him pitch too much where he threw off the knee. I just think his mechanics were off and he was slamming that knee in. If you think back to my trout with that bone bruise, this is likely something different. I couldn't find that he'd had any sort of meniscus issues before, and this is usually what that is that there's either a small tear or a previous injury where the meniscus was removed and now we're starting to see that bone on bone grinding in there. And that's where you start to see some fairly significant deterioration that can happen quickly, and the body's response to that is swelling. That's the fluid they pulled out. So you know when that's happening, it's going to repeat unless you correct the problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of pictures they put so much pressure on their front knee and when they you know they so that's a lot of pressure on that knee. So let's go to another picture, Chase Burns. It kind of set the world on fire. What's the one thing you don't want to hear when you talk about a picture? Flex are strained? Right?

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Speaker 1: What does that always lead to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: A lot, I mean not always, but a lot of times. Right, it's flexer strain.

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Speaker 3: And then it's Tommy John like, how big of a deal is this for Chase Burns in the Reds that he's got a what is it a grade one flexer strain.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but I know that means he's got a sore elbow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And this one is towards the elbow.

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Speaker 6: They keep saying elbow rather than four arms, so you know, it's really on both sides that tendon. I think what realizes a couple of things. First, it's a really low grade tear. There's one, two, and three. One is you know a little bit of tearing. Two is significant tearing a chunk out of it. Grade three is well, you got two winds. It's a full rupture. So they caught it early. They've got great doctors there. Tim and his staff do a great job with this. They've got an MRI right there in his office, so they're able to check this. I think that they caught it so early is good. That Burns a guy who you know, had the Wake Forest lab when he was in college.

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Speaker 4: I think he's used to dealing with these kind of things.

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Speaker 6: It's certainly not good, but like you said, we often see it lead to further elbow problems. It's certainly a red flag. So I think they'll be looking at this in the off season. For now, it's a question of how does the context of the team play out. Do they stay in the race and he comes back in If you remember, they've got his teammate and he hasn't pitched much, I don't think at all this season. So they've got to be careful with those young pitchers. They've had a lot of injuries with those I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To brush off elbow injuries, but I do want to brush off young pitchers and go to my buddy Josh Hater closer for the Astros. Astros have been playing really well with injuries. Now they lose their closer. Is there better because it's a shoulder it's a shoulder strain, I think is what he was listed at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: No, I was gonna say, they're calling it a sprain, but it's really neither. It's the shoulder capsule, kind of that gummy thing that holds it in place. And some people say, you know, it's cartilage, so it's not a sprain. Some people say, well, it's soft tissue, so we'll call it a it's a capsule injury. That capsule starts to get tears in it, and they used to kind of heat shrinket, you know, like you do with packages. They don't do that anymore because there wasn't much control. No surgeon in the world wants to do surgery on a shoulder capsule because it's so tough to get it right. There's a new technique where they kind of fold it over. You don't want that. You don't want injury to begin. This one is tough for a pitcher. Short of it's road hitterorcuff shoulder capsule, and then Terry's major. Those are the ones you really really don't want. This one's a bad one. He's not coming back in the regular season. I don't know if he's coming back this season at all. But they're gonna have to get this right. He is going to be doing a lot of work with the physios, the rehab professionals, and hopefully not the surgeons.

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Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna ask you, is there is there a scenario where this works out better because he is a closer and not a starter. Is there less work in a sense? I've seen I've seen the rehab without surgery. Is it less work for a closer, not just because he doesn't have to ramp up his pitches, but just that like work period where you have to like get that shoulder strengthened and not loose loosening, you know, Lucy Goosey in the back there. Is it better for a closer than a starter?

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Speaker 4: Yes and no.

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Speaker 6: It's it's you're exactly right that there's not as much workload, but there's more force. So it's a question of does you know one or two really hard things be worse than you know ten things.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like the old you know, do I want to fight.

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Speaker 6: Ten horse ducks or one hundred duck sized horses?

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Speaker 4: Both are not good.

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Speaker 6: You don't want this injury, whether you're a closer, whether you're a starter, whether you're a position player.

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Speaker 2: Hey, well thanks for going through the long list here on a Monday, we saw players dropping down over the weekend and all that, Yeah, you got something final work, and.

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Speaker 6: Kratz was mentioning not seeing a picture in the season. Is this still true with the age of the traject machine where guys are seeing pictures and their stuff. Hundreds of times even before and at.

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Speaker 5: That nothing, nothing can replicate actual pictures that you're facing. I'm pretty close in my opinion the Traject. The Traject does a great job. But when you're talking about guys with the elite stuff, those traject machines throw pitches out there, you're like, for real, that's exactly.

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Speaker 1: What it looks like.

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Speaker 5: Some of them are spot on, but some of them, especially with the unique pitches, especially when you talk about like a Roki Sasaki, that machine going to try to throw something out there and it's gonna look like a knuckleball, and you're like, no way, that's actually it. But I haven't worked with the Traject and then actually implemented into the season, so I'm not one hundred percent just calling on what people say.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's my thing, here's my big thing, and I never hit off the traject. But it throws all strikes too, doesn't it. So it throws all strikes. It might be different pitches, but it ain't throwing you the slider in the dirt. It ain't throwing you the fastball above right, or does it like it can throw like sliders in the dirt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it can completely replicate exactly what the pitch was from the data that MLB kind of the stat cast data, And so if you saw a pitch in the dirt or a slider that went outside that you chased, it can replicate that. So you can see that pitch another hundred times and figure it out.

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Speaker 3: But plus, they don't use real balls though, right they use aren't they softer ball scrouts?

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Speaker 6: They like to use softer balls. I forget exactly what it is. But we'll have to get you guys in with the trajet. Guys, they're friends of ours. You don't want me to break that machine, will you know?

00:26:02
Speaker 3: I son of saw me with the bananas I did.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take that intro. Yeah yeah, we'll take the intro and see you guys face all kinds of hell yeah, hell yeah. Well, good stuff. Thank you so much for the time. UH injury expert. Will Carold make sure you check out the substack under the knife. Appreciate you.

00:26:25
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot,