Triangulate Your Problem: Can’t Sit Quietly? Can’t Walk Boldly? Or Just Can’t Let Go? | Ajahn Kovilo
In this session, Ajahn Kovilo speaks about several Buddhist triads:
- 1) radical introversion; 2) radical extroversion; and 3) the Middle Way
- 1) interoception; 2) proprioception/kinesthesia; 3) exteroception
- 1) Buddha; 2) Dhamma; and 3) Saṅgha.d
And proposes a "Nine Breath Challenge" - taking one minute to recite the 3-fold refuge:
Breaths #1-3) "Bud-dhaṃ sara-ṇaṃ gacchā-mi." OR "To-Buddha for-peace I-return."
Breaths #4-6) "Dham-maṃ sara-ṇaṃ gacchā-mi." OR "To-Dhamma for-peace I-return."
Breaths #7-9) "Saṅ-ghaṃ sara-ṇaṃ gacchā-mi." OR "To-Saṅgha for-peace I-return."
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[Music] Namasa bakawato arhat sama sambas [Music] bakawato arhat sambasa bakawato [Music] Okay, so you've probably noticed even if this is just your first time coming to a clear mountain gathering that as Buddhists, as monks, we love threes, we love triplets and yeah, we we have lots of do things in in triplicate. Uh often the the refuge is the recitation and the Buddha did this um when the Buddha's teachings were first being recorded. uh they weren't being written down but were just being memorized by the monks and nuns and lay people surrounding the Buddha. And when you give a enumerated list, when you give a list in numbers, it's easier to remember. So that's one of the reasons that the Buddha gave all of these lists. But there are lots of groups of three. So you've got the Buddha, the dharma, the sa, the three refuges which we chanted about. You've got the three types of feeling which is duka which is that which is painful which is suka which is pleasant and that which is in the middle neither pleasant nor painful. You've got the three-fold training. The training in virtue, the training in concentration, training in wisdom. You've got the three bodily right efforts. Refraining from killing, from stealing, from sexual misconduct. You've got the three modes, three other modes of training which are training in generosity, in precepts and in meditation. And there's a bunch more. Anybody do we have any call out some threes? >> Three characteristics. Yes, that is anicha, duka and anata which are uh impermanence, unsatisfactoriness and not self anymore. Yeah, the three poisons. Yes. Which are greed, anger and delusion. And the opposite of those three poisons are uh sometimes called the three wholesome roots which are non- greed which can be translated as generosity or contentment. You've got non- anger which can be translated as love or loving kindness and non-d delusion which can be translated as as wisdom. So I thought today maybe just to talk about go a bit deeper into some of these uh some of these triads. So part of Buddhism uh part of the Buddhist teachings are about view training in view our underlying first principles. So sometimes when you know a monk or a nun or a teacher starts talking about views it can seem maybe a little bit cerebral like this is just philosophy but the Buddha is quite specific. right view is the first of the eight-fold path and it's something that we can do. We're taking on a specific way, specific ways of looking at the world and um yeah the Buddha suggested that there are healthier and unhealthier ways of looking at the world of conceiving how the human body human mind can interact with the universe around us. So he would talk about the primacy of of right view. He talked about it in different ways. And as we we talk about triangles or groups of of three well just groups of three, you can have uh different ways of composing a group of three. If you put three points all in the same spot, then that's just a spot. If you put three points in a line, then that's just a line. And if you put three points not on the same line then no matter where you put them that is a a triangle. And so the Buddha did talk about three points uh in terms of lines and in terms of triangles. So in his first teaching he talked about uh two extremes and a middle way which was between those two extremes. So on the one extreme, you've got the extreme of sensual indulgence. So just trying to get all of your your happiness by indulging in sense pleasures, all the sights, sounds, smells, taste, touch, uh just get your fill and thinking that that will be the ultimate and a sustainable path to happiness. and the Buddha as any of us certainly any of us who've gone through addiction but just any of us who are trying to live in a world um you know feeling like you're going to be ultimately content through the hedonic treadmill. It just it doesn't work like that. And the other extreme is the extreme of aestheticism or self- torture which some monastic traditions or aesthetic traditions can lean into. But the Buddha taught the middle way which is the eight-fold path. Right view, right thought, right action, right speech, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration. And there's some more modern ways of looking at at view which I think are fascinating to think about. So I've I've said it before, my favorite non Buddhist quote comes from Pascal and it is the only French that I know. It's the only French that and I've made the mistake of trying to say this out loud when there have been French people in the audience. Is is anybody here a French person or knows French? Oh, dag. If you hadn't raised your hand, I would have tried my French. But um yeah. Okay. So, here's the statement from Pascal. It's this good that it's worth learning another language for. Okay. pretty bad comprehensible. But what it means is all of humanity's problems stem from the inability to sit quietly in a room alone. Can you turn the volume off a little bit? I'm going to say that again. All of humanity's problems stem from the inability to sit quietly in a room alone. That is fascinating. And it's almost a And honestly, for the last week, that's been a bit of my my co-on trying to figure that out. And I think the first time I intuited some of the meaning of that was when I was on went on my first meditation retreat. It was a 10-day ginka vipasana retreat. And basically for those, it's a very deep dive. You're going in and doing 10 days, 10 hours a day, every day of basically just watching the breath at the tip of the nose. And for the first two days, it was just utterly horrible. It was just horrible. It was horrible because it seems like the easiest thing in the world. Just watch the breath at the tip of your nose. I'm human. Easy instructions. I think I'm smart. I should be able to do this. And if you've ever tried to do this for two and a half minutes, you'll realize that it's not at all as easy as it sounds. It's extremely frustrating. But on about day three of this retreat, I don't know if I had heard this quote from Pascal before or if I just uh intuited it, but I felt like my mind calmed down, was able to coalesce into that insight that okay, this the mind ve got very content. On those retreats, you give up all of your outlets for sensual indulgence. You give up your phones, you give up your music, you give up writing, um, and all you're doing is meditating. So all the ways that a young dude in America is getting his pleasure, give them all up for those first two days. And that's why it was uncomfortable is because I'm doing something I'm not used to doing. But then day three, the mind just coaleses and is able to feel into a type of pleasure which I can just have to call peace, a type of peace which is independent of having to feed off of the world. And in that that moment, that day, that that period, it was like, okay, this is the piece that Pascal is talking about. All of humanity's problems stem from the inability to sit quietly in a room alone. And I felt like that day that I could see that. And it didn't seem like it was just the solution for me. It seemed like this is the solution for everybody. If everybody if I could just keep this up and it seemed like I could it was it it seemed durable that day. Like if I could just keep up this insight, I am good for the rest of this life. Okay, this is the key to human happiness is this level of content. I don't need anything. I don't need to feed off of the world. I can just sit quietly in this room alone and not cause anybody any trouble. And if everybody could do that, then that will be the solution for everybody. But and I do think there is a lot of truth there. But there's also some degree if you actually take it up as a it won't take too long before you actually start poking holes in it. really like all of humanity's problems stem from the inability for me to sit quietly in a room alone. Really, all of it? You know, it doesn't take long to for that side of the question to really come through. So, I'm going to posit that as being one very interesting extreme, an interesting extreme of introversion. And the opposite extreme of that is the opposite, which as far as I know, no one has ever said, but it's the opposite of Pascal's paradox there. And it's basically what I grew up with and what a lot of Americans grow up with. It's basically the religion of justice, the religion of I grew up unitarian, which is the underlying view for that is that all of humanity's problems stem from the unwillingness to walk boldly into the world with others. That's the exact opposite of Pascal and that's totally what I grew up with. So you've got Pascal saying all of humanity's problems stem from the inability to sit quietly in a room of alone. And you've got a whole world of people advocating for social justice and engagement. All of humanity's problems stem from the unwillingness to walk boldly into the world with others. And I'll posit that also as an extreme because when you taste and hopefully all of you have to some degree and if you haven't would recommend going on retreat those 10day going retreats are it's a big dive but taking some period of retreat because when you taste this type of peace the the fallacy of this that this take that all of humanity's problems stem from the unwillingness to walk into the world boldly with others. The fallacy of that comes about because actually no as I sit here quietly with myself I'm not causing any trouble to anybody else and I don't want to cause any trouble to anybody else and if everybody could do this then that would be fantastic but again both of these are extremes in a certain way and the Buddha taught the middle way which is the four noble truths that there is suffering there's a cause of suffering there's a sessation of suffering uffering and there's a path leading to the sessation of suffering which is like a Buddhist version of that Pascal one without the problemic the problematic sides of that. So what are those four noble truths and I'll do it facing your way. So you've got going to balance this on my Okay. So we've got the causality of unhappiness and you've got the causality of happiness and well-being. Second noble truth is the cause of suffering of unhappiness. That's craving. And you've got the causality of peace. And that causality of peace is the fourth noble truth which is just acting in harmony with yourself with your own mind with the people around you with the world. So yeah, that's a line a three points on a line in avoiding either extreme the extreme of uh radical introversion in the extreme of radical extroversion and keeping this middle way that okay whether for myself this is true for me and it's true for everybody uh that yeah all the suffering this would be the Buddhist formulation. But all of humanity's suffering stem all of my suffering stems from craving the second noble truth. So it's it's much more focusing the the angle the pointing of awareness inwardly versus seeing how that extrapolates and when you figure out that in in yourself then you see that it does extrapolate with others. So other three points in the Buddhist teaching, we've got what we were exploring with the meditation. So we've got the internal, we've got the in between, and you've got the external. And really Buddhism does talk to each and each one is its own subskll set. So being able to experience the interiority of your own body, this is called interosception in western science. It's the ability to accurately sense your internal organs, the internal functioning of your body. The first what's called the foundation of mindfulness is knowing the body in and of itself. Ardent, alert, and mindful putting aside greed and distress with reference to the world. So rather than wanting the my interiority to be a certain way and hating that it feels a different way, I can just accurately feel the interior of my body in a different way. And why this is helpful, being able to do all three of these in teroscept and to know the surface and to know the exterior is because cognitive flexibility is a useful thing. It's a useful thing to be able to be flexible and not be totally attached to one way of meditating, one way of being in the world, one way of speaking to other people. You can learn how to shift. If you're in a uncomfortable conversation with your spouse or your child and you realize that 95% of your awareness is on them and all the bad things that they did and only 5% is on your interior state of being utterly ablaze with the fire of anger. You can learn to shift that around. And even though it's unpleasant to feel the interiority of anger, it's better than just flamethrowering, you know, all the, you know, destroying the relationships around us. So being able to shift is a very useful a very useful thing to be able to do. So this interception getting better and you can get better. I found this fascinating. Even in that first 10day retreat, I started studying just anatomy in my free time. got all these anatomy books. I once went on a camping trip with very minimal things but like a six-PB book on anatomy. Carried it into the forest with me. Walked about 15 10 miles into the forest with this anatomy book to just learn and just to calibrate how my interior perception matches on to the organs within my body. So getting better, you can train at this. You can feel your body better. So the second one this middling sense can either be called proprioception or kinesthesia. So propriception is knowing your body in space. And often times you might feel if you have your eyes closed now and your hands are in your lap ask yourself where is your hand right now? And it's not at all uncommon that if you open your eyes and actually look that your hand is actually in a different spot than you felt it to be. And this is called faulty sensory apperception. Is when your mind map of the body doesn't actually map where the body is. So you can get better at propriception sensing where you are in the world. And kinesesthesia is dynamic propriception. So that's knowing how your body is moving into the world. How your body is moving into the world. And with that meditation that we did on the in between areas of the body, it's fascinating because when you practice you and especially if you practice staying in this interiority or I'm sorry in this middle space, you can ask yourself, where do I stop and where does the world begin? and you look at other people or you look at yourself in the mirror and it just seems like you are a bag of skin. It's like okay here's the skin line and everything inside of that is me and everything outside of that is the rest of the world. And then it would seem like feeling okay, I can feel my heart beating. And then it would seem like, okay, if I move my awareness forward that I would be able to feel the skin of my chest as if I was inside of a balloon and then eventually I just reach the edge of my skin, this skin balloon, and there I stop and I can't feel forward. But for me, and I don't know about anybody else, but I can't find the edge of my skin balloon. It's like I just keep going forward and it's like a cloud. And this could just be a a trick of the brain's capacity for feeling skin. Uh but it does feel like I'm in a and this is almost certainly not the case, but it feels like I'm feeling on a subatomic level. It feels like I'm feeling into a cloud of electrons. It feels like I've got this cloud body. And so experiment with that. Experiment with that being at your skin. Where do I stop? And where is the world begin? And that's fascinating on the level of not self. Where am I? Where are others? And if I'm making a self and I'm allowing other people to implicate me, I look at someone else's eyes and I feel implicated. Oh, I am a self. They can see that I'm nervous or they can see that I'm calm. There comes this I, me, you, I feedback loop and it's like whatever happened with the microphone at the beginning. It's just and then eventually your head explodes. But if you can shift awareness to a different a different medium, then no head explosion. Exterosception is the word in neurosychology maybe for this exterior sense. Our capacity to sense the light of the world, to see the light of the world, to receive the light, the space of the world. Sound is an extraceptive sense and we can see that as well. And really um on one level this universe is very much like a dream. So if you think about if you can remember your dreams from last night or the last dream that you can remember everything in that dream you and the world behind you and the world in front of you and that other person and the clown and the snake and whatever it is. All of that is being created by your mind. That's very much absolutely the way it is in a dream. And in waking life, it's not that much different from a first person perspective. So I'm not saying that I'm the only human that exists and nothing exists outside of me or outside of you, but just on the level of the brain, everything that you experience is just like that dream. Your brain is processing the lights from the outside and that's what you're experiencing. Everything that you ever experience, say there's this cube which is next to me. Say it's about a foot by a foot by a foot this way. Everything that I will ever know about this cube, the number of molecules in it, the different elemental distribution in it, the size of it, everything I'll ever know about that exists in my own experience of it. And same with you. All you'll ever know about this box. Hopefully that's not too sad to hear. Um but just experiment with this. This capacity to experience the world is uh yeah very much if you can't get on board with 100% so much so much of it largely created by by us uh yeah not to say that there isn't suffering and experience outside of us but our experience of it is largely self-created. So that's another triplet in the dharma interior. Feel your insides. And can you do it right now? Even if your eyes are open and you're looking outside, can you feel this warm, dark, intimate, utterly intimate, more intimate than infinite space inside? Can you shift to the in between? and can you shift to the exterior? And the last triplet that I wanted to talk about is the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sana. So I'd like to just ask here for some definitions or what are some ways that people here are how do you relate to the Buddha maybe just in in one one or two words feel free to yeah Peter awakening is a spirit or the principle of awakening as awareness Please Buddha nature as emptiness. So the Buddha as emptiness as Buddha nature as awakening as awareness as wisdom itself as liberation. So these are all very much beautiful qualities that hopefully all of us want to incline to understanding better to living better. And the Buddha is was also a historical figure. Um yeah, largely testified to in other historical documents. And he is all of these other interior qualities. And it is useful to figure out a way of relating to the Buddha uh in a way which is helpful especially if you're going to be calling yourself a Buddhist or relating to the Buddha or not to mention bowing. Bowing really is a great practice to experiment with. Is there a way that you can relate to three con concepts? And don't let the monk force these three concepts on you, but find are there three concepts that are worth bowing to in your experience, something greater than ourselves. And the dharma. So what is worth bowing to? What is the principle of the dharma for anybody? reality. Sometimes I'll say the principle of truth. Principle of truth. Nice wisdom. And it's also all of the teachings of the Buddha in the scriptures. And it's all of these in whatever way we can can bow to it as something. Okay. This is something I want to aspire to. And the SA sometimes I'll say the spirit of the SA is love. So you've got awakening, truth, and love. But just looking for some way of relating to these three concepts. And if you can, bowing really is a a beautiful practice. And especially and I I actually say almost essentially for bowing to be meaningful and for it not to become just something which you begrudge and actually learn to dislike is to make it meaningful for you. So as monastics we bow a lot. Bow first thing we wake up and I'll just do the type of bow that we we often do. This is kind of a Thai forest bow. So we do as monastics, one of our rules is that we sleep on the floor, which is great because as soon as you wake up, you're already on the floor. You're sleeping on the floor and you're already on the floor, which is much less cushiony. It's rather hard. I have to say I have slept before, but it is it's hard to bow on a bed because there's all these cushy parts and you start like falling over. But when you're on the floor, solid ground. And so first thing, hopefully you've gotten enough sleep, but you start off first thing you wake up. Okay, I can get into a position of uprightness. So we have our uh butt on our back of the the heels and just hands up in aneli. And again, this is the first posture of our day. Just sitting up upright even before we bow and establishing whatever this dharma is for me. Truth awareness Buddha nature and then coming down and bowing and then to the dharma and to the sa. just orienting our life and we do that before bed as well and then you can go and do your ne negativity bath or whatever however you kind of go and check Twitter or whatever it is but uh yeah at least you've started in an upright way bowing to these principles which spend some time spend some time today spend one minute spend five minutes spend half an hour spend your next hourong meditation actually figuring out what is a Buddha that I could bow to? What is a dharma that I could bow to? What is a sa that I can bow to? Even if you don't end up bowing, still just asking that question is really meaningful. What is a power greater than myself? So those are several triplets and just as a parting suggestion I'll mention something uh that I've come to call the nine breath challenge. The nine breath challenge. Often times in Buddhist circles you hear somebody say, "Oh yeah, just once an hour just take one minute to meditate or just do a one minute meditation." And often times the momentum of our day, the momentum of 59 minutes is such that we can't even sit quietly for a minute. So to actively give one's mind something to do in that minute. So the nine breaths if you can do it in pi it's bud on the inb breath d on the outreath s n gacha me d s gacha me gacha or in English to Buddha for peace or for refuge I Go to dhama for peace. I go to sana for peace. I go nine breaths. Nine breaths. Do I I bow to this? But can I actually stop the momentum of my day to actually reenter on that for just nine breaths? That's all I'm asking. Kovaleo. Just nine breaths. Takes about I timed it. It's only 50 seconds. Just 50 seconds. Can I just stop my momentum and just breathe for nine breaths? So I'll end the talk there but we can just end it on those nine breaths because I do not know the tie for requesting or for expressing our gratitude except to say simply Sadu, sadu, sadu. [Music] So, we can open things up to questions or if people have comments Peter. Well, thank you uh John for that wonderful talk. um very helpful for kind of daily practice. A lot lot to work with. Um, one thing you mentioned uh in talking about uh the external is the uh we talked about a sort of a box out there and everyone conceives of it differently. But um I've kind of posited that to people you know that I know who are interested in Buddhism and meditation and uh just getting comfortable with the notion that we create the world uh is difficult. So could you talk a little more about that? Thank you. >> Yes. So the Buddha, there's a sutra where the Buddha said the all, the all as in a L l. People talk about the all. But what is the all? And the Buddha said the eye informs and eye consciousness. The ear sounds and ear consciousness. The nose odors nose consciousness. The tongue tastes taste consciousness. the body, tangible objects and body consciousness, the mind, dharmas and mind consciousness. And so that's the definition of all. And that very much is in line with I believe a rather um uncontroversial take of modern science and neuroscience and just the anatomy that our experience of the external world is mitigated by our sensory neurons in different ways. The ways that the cells are optic nerves from the back of the iris go in and interact with the brain. we're not having an unmititigated relationship with anything anything outside of us. So I think that uh dream simile is more than a simile because even though it seems like and I am it's not like I can control anybody else or that I I would I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to um well maybe maybe sometimes um but but the way I perceive it is being mitigated by the brain and is entirely my the brain's creation, the heart's experience. Um, Sean, do you have anything to add to that? I think that was a really good way to answer it. And I might just add that we have such an inheritance in western philosophy and psychology of really trying to overlay these philosophical concepts intrinsically onto a very solidified external vision of reality. And the Buddha was pushed on stuff constantly like tell us is the world infinite or finite? Is you know is the body the same and the soul another thing? And he said look what I teach is suffering and the end of suffering and this radical phenomenology. I mean I think you know the Buddha is not saying that all we have that there's nothing external but I think you can just say look practically can you see how your perception of an individual shifts radically daytoday just your reaction your bodily like your loved one you know in one second they're your deepest friend the next they're just like this person again you know just that's that's it and what happens when you can I mean this is a really well established uh principle of cognitive behavioral therapy as well. It's like in the scene there's just the the scene and in the herd there's just the herd and you know so so seeing how our overlays shift things but that's something we're really bringing to it and just simplifying is really helpful because all of experience are just these six things happening you know the eyes seeing forms the ears hearing sounds the mind perceiving mental objects etc and there's a place for bringing it all down and seeing how we create that but I'd say for very practical purposes just especially people seeing how they create self and other and veilance and anger loved unloved. I mean that's a really potent way of seeing how we create the world in a very practical way leading towards the end of suffering >> Cheryl. Um, just to add to that, um, one of the things that I'd say, and I got this from Tueri a long long time ago, was, um, do no harm, be as kind as I can be, and restraint and and show restraint. So that's using the six sense doors for sure. >> Sarah, >> I have another triplet that I'd love for you to talk about. Is this on? Okay. Um the three conceits greater, less than, equal to. Correct? Yeah. So the Buddhist said that we had to give up these three ways of relating to others basically at the end of the day. Um so greater than okay, we understand that less than okay. Um but equal to that too, we have to give that up as well. Um and I'd say that what the Buddha talked about um when he talked about creating a self that we compare to others, he said, "This is mine. This is me. This is myself." So it's these three ways like there's this crystallization the self forms in the shadow of desire in the shadow of craving and you can see how when we want when we possess when we want to be a certain way it crystallizes a nexus and a center from which um we act and want and where self and other become defined and you know the Buddha there is a place apart from better than, less than, and equal to. You know, in the somewhat problematic words of Nietze in a Buddhist context, there is a field beyond good and evil. I'll meet you there. But actually, that's kind of right on the mark in a certain sense. Um, but that there's you can just see this like when when you're comparing yourself to others, there is this sense of me and and outside, whereas there's moments where that ceases and there's just a resonance and a empathy. uh a sense of loving kindness and that sense of self as something we do it's an action we do again and again and again and the Buddha saying stop see the suffering inherent in that action and stop and when you let that go you rest in something that's very different a resonance and a dharmic sensitivity and an intuitive uh awareness which is beyond better than less than equal to um is that a anything to There's a another list of three conceits where the Buddha said, uh, why am I who am overcome with the conceit of youth? Why do I look down on other people having the conceit of health? Why do I look down on other people who are not h healthy? With the conceit of life, why do I look down on people who don't have that? And then there's another list, the Buddha loved list. And Abid Dama, they love lists even more. There's a list of like 21 conceits, which is like conceit of height, conceit of height, conceit of beauty, conceit. Oh my gosh, it's a great list. Such great. It's kind of hard to find it. I think the last translation was like in the 50s or something, but uh I don't remember all of them. some more. >> Conceit of clan, conceit of youth, conceit of health, conceit of being a good speaker, conceit of uh eloquence, having lots of followers, being intelligent, being tall like you said, and being well proportioned. There's others, too. Being a nsdicant, don't have to worry about the tall thing. Thank you, parents. Good. uh to your point of um giving up that sense of self um and I so appreciated your demonstration of the proper way of bowing or the way you do it first thing in the morning. Um I the recommendation of the full bow um I started doing that before meditating in the in the mornings and something really started to shift and I think it was sort of giving up this sense of myself. I don't I can't even put into words what started to change, but I really liked it. But I I'm actually not sure I'm doing it correctly. Would it be too much to ask for a demonstration of how to do that? All I got was how to do it on YouTube, which I'm not sure was maybe as good as it could be. >> Yeah. Or you can do it and I can I can give like the blowby-blow. >> No, no. It'll be like a swimming match. No, no. I can be the announcer. >> He stands up. goes into the bow. Okay, you do start standing up. Okay, your hands are in this anali this uh kind of prayer posture. Okay, going up to the forehead and down to the lips, down to the heart and And then all the way down. Hands up and then back. That was the first. And then again, head, mouth, heart, bowing all the way down. Hands up. Going up for the third. And this is the Chinese and Korean style where you don't go all the way down to the ground, but just touch like that and then come back up with the hands going into these lotus blossoms. All right. I want to say go. Was that explanatory? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And there is a video on on YouTube of Tube Chin Chan doing it, which is where I learned it from. Yeah. Um it is. Yeah. Look up full length Tibetan prostration if you want to learn that full one. Ajin Kov is 56 every morning. I do 28. It's a really powerful way to kind of humble yourself and orient. And it's a good workout. Um, and just to say like if people do feel this resistance to bowing, if you can find something you feel worth bowing to, it's it's a powerful there's a teacher that said that once bowing disappears from the world, Buddhism will have disappeared from the world. Um, and yeah, just when the Buddha became enlightened, he said, "Who one who dwells without reverence dwells in pain? So now that I've attained awakening, who do I dwell in reverence to?" And he said, "The Dharma." And it's just powerful to kind of keep in mind. So, okay, we do have to finish a little early today. Um, but really also that nine breath challenge that Ajin Kovilo took, I hope people really take that on. Uh, what are the words again? Buddha me gacha me gang s n gacha me to Buddha to dama to sa for peace I return I go whatever [Music]