Hour 2 – Bad Teams Playing for Titles, Jamal Crawford

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Speaker 2: Two on this Wednesday. Gang's all here, ready to go, Fritzie. It's a Friday Fritzie. On Wednesday. You also have Dylan back row, suck at back Row, Marven up front with Paulie yours truly in the backroom, guys eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com Twitter handled a DP show update the poll results from our one Dylan, and do we have a new poll question for our two?

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Speaker 3: We do, Dan.

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Speaker 4: Our latest poll was, will coaches on the outside looking in of a seventy sixteen field still cry snubbed ninety five point five percent?

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Speaker 3: Of course they will?

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Speaker 4: Okay new pole, Dan, courtesy of Todd Again, if you don't quite understand the three two to one NBA Draft lottery proposal, you are in very good company or not particularly intelligent.

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Speaker 2: I think you're in really good company here with all of us, because we're still trying to figure it out. Maybe I need to have it unfold in front of me and then maybe I'll understand it. But that's not till next year, So I got plenty of time to study. Uh pole question for hour two do.

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Speaker 3: You have anything?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 3: It was that poll. Oh okay, but we could work on some others.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I didn't know if you had like you're going to double up.

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Speaker 3: Seaton would sometimes double up.

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Speaker 2: With the pole question, and I can double up. Well, I know it's not a competition. I just I'm just pointing it out that you want to have a couple of pole questions working, you can.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you have total autonomy with the pole question. I could do three if you want, yes, Paul. The other one we.

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Speaker 6: Had was what should actually be a stat because remember years ago, a hole became a stat in MLB. If you're a middle reliever. Stats just happened, even back when you were watching football back in the day, sex was not real. It became real, and now it's in trench. Uh pass it? You know? Shots discouraged for Wemby You probably won't, but I went back and looked one you've always talked about with like Dion Sanders and Derell Riebas, who is almost like passes discouraged as a defensive back. You know there was a time where Derel Reebas when he's at his peak, one out of every fifteen passes went to his side of the field, and that's they did like a breakdown on that, but it's not a real stat that people use.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would want, well, the NFL. It's weird.

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Speaker 2: You would think that, you know, they had the NFL films that you could have gone back and counted Deacon jones sack total because I'm going to guess he had over three hundred, because you know, the Fearsome Forsome Now that was wonderful?

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Rosie Greer, Merlin Olson, Deacon Jones, Lamar Lundy would he be the fourth in the Fearsome force some I think?

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Speaker 3: Is that right, Todd?

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Speaker 7: It sounds right?

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Speaker 2: Alrighty, all right, But yeah, you would think the NFL, of all leagues, would be able to go back and all the archival stuff that they had a sable family.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 6: The website Pro Football Reference, which a lot of people in the media and others use for NFL stats, they worked with NFL films years ago and went back and looked at Deacon jones career. I think it was sixty one to seventy four and he is officially now credited with one hundred and seventy three and a half sacks. That is on his Pro Football Reference based off NFL film.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to call you know what.

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Speaker 2: I got My friend who was a Big ten official, sent me his flag, So I got my You know, when you throw a flag, this is the BS flag. I'm gonna oh, I just threw it against the window there. I threw the BS flag on that, Yes, Marv. So you said he had three hundred sevens I don't know how many. Let's say two hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 8: Okay, because I was gonna say three hundred. If you divide it by fourteen, he would have averaged twenty one sacks a season back then.

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Speaker 2: And you weren't throwing the ball that much back then. If you threw it twenty ton, you know, it's like, oh my god. So now you're throwing the ball thirty five times. The chances, the opportunities for these guys and more games to get more sacks. Back then, you might have quarterbacks throwing twelve to fifteen times because it was a running game, yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 6: According to Pro Football Reference, in NFL films, Deacon Jones had a run where he had seasons in a row twenty two, nineteen sixteen, twenty two twenty two fifteen for sacks.

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Speaker 3: That's a round.

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Speaker 6: Whoa stell of a day, Stanna day, stantaa day, stanaa day.

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Speaker 2: This is the Stele of the Day. Stat of the Day, brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Sixers over the Celtics, Boston still up three to two. Spurs close out the Blazers. Nicks beat the Hawks, so they're up three to two. NBA is working on a new draft lottery. Jamal Crawford who worked out with Wemby. Actually Wemby worked out with Jamal Crawford in the off season to improve his handle, and Jamal Crawford will join us coming up here in a little bit, all right, eight seven to seven to three. DP Show operator Tyler's sitting by. He'll take your calls. Good morning if you're watching the show on Peacock or NBC Sports Network. Yeah, shots discouraged. I don't know, maybe somebody will come up with something better than that, but it's kind of like hurries for an edge rusher. Wemby with shots discouraged, and that's where you get somebody who looks like they're ready to take a shot and then they get discouraged when Wemby comes calling. How do you sense discouragement when you pass the ball? Right, Yeah, it's like I'm going to go, oh no, no, no no. This is where when you when you face somebody who is taller, a lot taller you, you must make the extra pass. It's really imperative because they can cover so much ground, but they're not quick enough to be able to cover the ground. If you have really good passing and you're gonna have to do that with Wemby, you must move the ball because if you give him that opportunity where he can cover you in the paint and cover you at the three point line, you must make him move as much as possible. Portland wasn't able to do that. Look, Portland made the playoffs. Give them credit. I mean, keep in mind what happened with Chauncey Billups during the season and not a lot of marquee names. But they did make the playoffs, which is a big positive for that franchise.

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Speaker 3: They love their basketball.

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Speaker 2: There gave me one of the greatest years of my life when the Blazers with Bill Walton won the NBA title. Now that was basketball, That was teamwork. That was a team that ran. That was a team that beat the seventy six ers with Doctor Jay. That team might be I'm trying to think most talented teams that haven't that didn't win a title, Doctor j World, b Free, Darryl Dawkins, George McGinnis, Doug Collins. That's an incredibly talented team that did not win the title. Now I keep saying Bill Simmons needs to put out a book on the team's bad teams that played for a title, like the seventy six ers with Eric snow Lebron's Cleveland team playing for a title. There's been a few of these teams. Maybe not a book, but maybe an article that Simmons should do or maybe on his podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Martin, are.

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Speaker 8: You gonna put last year's Pacers on that list too, because in twenty years you're going to look at that team and say, besides Halliburton, who was there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Paul I would throw out the nineties jazz teams. They had a window where they are always deep in the Western Conference finals. I think they lost two finals NBA titles. Yeah, and a lot of talent, deep, consistent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was Stockton in Malone. But I mean Jeff Horniseck wasn't a great player. He was a good role player.

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Speaker 6: Maybe not team like Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 3: Brian Russell was, you know, Greighoster tag. Yeah, I didn't think.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think like the Bulls didn't beat great teams, Like they didn't go through this, you know, like the Pistons had to go through the Celtics. You know this now you can say the Bulls had to go through this. The Celtics were kind of on the decline then, Yes, Marv.

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Speaker 8: It felt like the Bulls had a harder time getting out of the East than in the finals. Yeah, because you had to face really good Cleveland teams, really good Knicks teams, Reggie's Pacers. They went to seven games and the playoffs, but not in the finals. Like that's how deep the East was at that time. Maybe the Suns. The Suns were really good Sons. Yeah, but they weren't a dynasty. No, No, I'm just saying a really really good team.

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Speaker 3: The Sons were a talented team.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they were because you had Barkley, had Kevin Johnson, Jason Kidds joining us on the program tomorrow. There was a time when they had j Kid, Steve Nash, and Kevin Johnson, three Hall of Fame point guards on the same team.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, that Barkley Son's team, Dan Marley, Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, a young Richard Dumas or he went away, but their bench was Danny Ainge. Tom Chambers said, Sabalos, Oliver Miller, Mark West. That's a deep squad.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: Yep, they should have won that.

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Speaker 2: I think that they got caught up and Charles, I think has said this. I think they were awestruck. Is maybe too heavy, but they were. I think they were enamored watching Jordan and the Bulls, and I think Charles wanted to be Michael's friend in the finals.

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Speaker 3: Mike doesn't want to be anybody's friend.

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Speaker 2: But it felt like Charles is like, hey, I made it to the stage with you, and Mike was there to kill.

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Speaker 3: Yes, bo, did you.

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Speaker 6: See the story last week that Barkley and Jordan maybe playing golf again soon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we brought it up, brought it up on the show that I think Vince Coleman, who plays a lot of golf with both of these guys, but certainly with Michael, has his group like Roy Green the former wide receiver with the Cardinals, Vince Coleman. Mike usually will play with these guys if they play in a celebrity event, that they'll be playing together. But Vince Coleman, I think kind of brokeered a deal here that they would play golf. And you know, this goes back to you know, Charles was doing his job when he was critical and he even he said it on this show where he was critical of Mike as a GM, and Mike didn't think too kindly of that.

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Speaker 3: Did Charles go above and beyond?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a little bit there, But you know, Michael wasn't a good GM. Charles was pointing that out and then I think that led to the falling out. But I'd love to have maybe we televised that. Yeah, put microphones on these guys.

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Speaker 3: That'd be great. Now, it's not gonna happen, but it'd be great.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Mark, that's gotta be like HBO or something.

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Speaker 2: Oh with the language, yes? Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Chris and Syracuse, Hi, Chris, what do you have for me?

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Speaker 9: Hey? Thanks? Dan?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I also Bobby Jones on that seventy six ers team was great, And yeah, I'm not a fan of the expansion, and you know, back when those thirty two teams is funny. The NAT had some great teams in it too, And I remember that's when the Nick fans got introduced to Walt Frasier. When a Selukis won won the tournament and off of the play of the day. I'm a big Bruns fans, So Pasta's overtime goal was great. And he had a couple of good, really good playoff stories that illustrate the power and passion of sports. One was in nineteen seventy one, legendary actor George C. Scott chose to stay at home and watch on TV in NHL playoff game a quarterfinal game Dan instead of going to the Academy of Awards Sarah Marylmony, where he won Best Actor for Patton and the Other is just an awesome father and son love for sports, love for each other's story. Back with the Rangers when they won the Cup in ninety four, a father and son for decades since nineteen forty they had won. Father and son went to every game season tickets, sat next to each other, and the year that the Rangers went to won the Cup, his dad passed a couple of weeks before the playoffs, and the son went to all four rounds of the playoff games alone, nobody's sitting in the seat next to his pop. And then on Game seven Stanley Cup Final, instead of going to the game in Madison Square Garden, the son grabbed a transistor radio, a six pack, a bag of pretzels in a lawn chair and drove to his father's grave site. And there he and his dad listened to their beloved Rangers when the Stanley Cup. I always love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, Chris, you know when you think how big would it be for New York if the Knicks won the title, because Mets have won, go back to eighty six, the Yankees have won, the Rangers winning, of course, but you only have one basketball team in New York. Yeah, I know, there's the Brooklyn Nets. Nobody cares but the Knicks. Because you have the Islanders and the Rangers, you have the Mets and the Yankees. New York isn't divided when it comes to the basketball team. That celebration. Last time they won was nineteen seventy three. Now it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

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Speaker 6: Come on, you left it out there for ten seconds.

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Speaker 5: You go.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Todd, go new yourk co new yourk go. Were the Knicks that we're doing it?

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Speaker 9: The Tics.

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Speaker 8: We're hitting three pointers and you're putting up bricks, y'all.

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Speaker 2: New y'all. Let's go take our shirts off. Let's go out in the street and take our shirts. So you beat the Hawks?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Dylan, we can talk about most insufferable fan bases if we want. Wow, and I'm a Ranger fan.

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Speaker 3: That escalated quickly. I mean, I think you agree with me, Dan. I think it's the next wave of Nick fan the current one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the old school.

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Speaker 2: They appreciate basketball, they saw great basketball. This one like, hey, the fact that we beat the Hawks at home, I don't know, seems a little above and beyond.

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Speaker 3: To take a three to two series. Yes, yes, yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 8: No matter what, they'll never be more selfable than the Philadelphia Eagles fan base.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, I don't know. And I am not a Philly fan at all.

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Speaker 2: You can pretty much lump in all of Philadelphia's sports.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're equal, like in terms of fandom.

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Speaker 2: Just when I heard two Eagles fans after they won the Super Bowl beating the Patriots saying we won't be back here next year.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going, oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, they are already, They're already ready to cushion the blow that they wouldn't be back in the super Bowl the following year.

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Speaker 3: Like, man didn't enjoy that very long, did you? All Right?

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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. Also, Jamal Crawford always great to talk to. Jamal Crawford, and Marvin opened my eyes to Jamal Crawford's ball handling skills. I just always thought of him as a scorer, not somebody who had a handle that might be up there with Kyrie Irving. And then Marvin sends me videos and I'm convinced, Yeah, late night, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, Marvin, who's that?

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Speaker 5: It's Dan. I swear, I promise it's Dan.

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Speaker 3: Look, I would send Marvin Peyton Pritchard.

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Speaker 2: Videos Saturday morning at eight o'clock, so early, it's July. It's never earth never too early, a little pro am, you know, video highlight reel. All right, let me take a break. We're back after this.

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Speaker 2: Marvin kept telling me that uh Klay Thompson and Megan the Stallion, that that was going to last. And I told you it wasn't gonna last, Marvin.

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Speaker 5: I had hope for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't he rename his boat the SS Stallion.

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Speaker 5: I do not know that.

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Speaker 2: I probably follow this a little too much, But Megan D. Stallion is really upset with Klay Thompson. It's not ending pretty there. Yes, Paul, I.

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Speaker 6: Hadn't heard about any of this.

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Speaker 3: This is wild.

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Speaker 6: I knew they were dating.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they were in love. But yeah, I think he named his boat. Now you can paint over that. That's an easy face. Yeah, with the next girl friend, you don't have to give up half the boat. Yeah, yes, Dylan.

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Speaker 4: If they were like tattoos boat names, You're like, well, I guess I'm either tattooing over this one. She actually she was doing a Moulin rouge, I think on Broadway or something, and she tapped out early. So I think she's having a tough time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but she is aaron some dirty laundry you like to stay. We somehow make this smooth segue to Jamal Crawford. He gets along with everybody and you want to weigh in on Megan D. Stallion and Clay Thompson.

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Speaker 5: Hey, the boat still has a cool name either way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but then people would be like, oh, what's a Stallion? I mean, then you have to answer. It's now you can say, well, they call me the Stallion. You don't have to bring up Megan v exactly.

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Speaker 12: If Dan Patrick knows about that story, I'm sure other things will.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, I have to apologize, Wow, because.

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Speaker 2: I dismissed your ball handling skills because I always looked at you as a scorer, right and Marvin would send me videos of you playing in summer leagues or in NBA games, and I he jogged my memory and I'm like, oh my god, You've got handles that are probably amongst the top ten handles in NBA history.

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Speaker 5: So you believe that. So I should thank Marvin for what happened. Yes, yes, Mark.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, Thank you for Dan knows about you know, Meg and Clay, but not about the handles.

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Speaker 3: Of who has a better handle than you.

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Speaker 12: I won't say anybody has a better better handle than me, and I won't say I have a better handle than anybody. But there was a realm of people always give Isaiah Thomas his credit because that's why I watched growing up Kyrie Pistol Pete white Chocolate. I think, like Baron Davis has an underrated he handle this Steve Francis, a lot of guys like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Kyrie is given credit I think by most people having the best handles, certainly in traffic, which is really I want to see your handle in traffic. Anybody can dribble when they're out there by themselves.

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Speaker 5: So who's your top five handles? The better question?

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Speaker 2: Well, I did see Marribage play in person, and he was actually underrated. I think people forget just Pete was so far ahead of his time. Did Magic have a great handle?

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Speaker 12: Not in the traditional sense that we're talking about, like that can shake it. Magic was more angles, speeds. He'll bump you, he'll get the angle and he'll speed up. And that's where the showtime. Magic was a whole movement. But it wasn't the handle part that I would remember most about him.

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Speaker 3: What about Tim Hardaway?

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Speaker 12: He would be up there, the killer crossover, the UTEP two step. His crossover was like it was right after Isaiah, So it was still like really in the box. What I mean by that is myself Iverson, we drive it outside of our shoulders. So we stayed outside the box. Hard Away, Isaiah Thomas, they stayed in the box. But Kyrie does a little bit of both, and that's what makes him ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting when you say in the box, because that's tight quarters, yes, and you're shaking somebody and Timmy's I mean that crossover was killer. Now he would bump you a little bit off is off arm?

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Speaker 12: I saw that this summer at Hoops the gym, playing with him and Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 5: He was at the heat at the time.

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Speaker 12: I saw all the bumps and I was a young guy coming up, so we had some battles there.

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Speaker 3: Did Jordan have a good handle?

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Speaker 12: His handle was it was to him like he would surprise you with a crossover, But his footwork was so good that it made the handle better. So he got to a spot and then he up faked started doing his footwork. That's what made his handle special. But it wasn't like the handle like we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: What was the scouting report on Jordan?

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Speaker 5: Don't make him mad? You heard don't make him mad? All personal. Everything's personal. You know that. Damn, I was watching your voice, you know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was it just don't make him mad.

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Speaker 12: Don't make him mad. I mean, he was just so possessed. And we talked about talent. We talk about people that can shoot or can do this or that. His competitive spirit alone would have beat ninety nine percent of the players who ever played.

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Speaker 5: Just how competitive he was and everything.

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Speaker 2: You work with Wemby over the summer on his handle, yep, Okay.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I did a couple of ago, but he tried last summer and I couldn't. I was actually coaching. But yeah, we were connected for the future as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you gonna work out with him this offseason?

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Speaker 12: I'm pretty sure what we'll lock in and get if he has time. I mean, if he wants his championship and goes on this run and goes home. But yeah, I'm sure in the future will work together.

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Speaker 2: But what are you working on specifically with Wenbyana?

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Speaker 12: Well, with him, a lot of it was was the handle, of course, but it was the footwork as well. And the footwork translates everywhere. If you at the top of the key with the handle, if you're in the mid post area, if you're by the block. Well, people don't really realize about handle is the ones who are really special with their handle, their footwork matches their handle. So we work on his footwork every single area and I have to say he was. He probably downloaded things the fastest. Like if I say something, he's like, got it and can do it immediately. People I've worked with before it may take a couple of weeks, a couple of months, he could do it in five minutes.

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Speaker 5: It was. It was I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 3: But what does he need to add to his offensive game?

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Speaker 5: That's a great question.

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Speaker 12: At that time, I thought it was the mid post area because I thought where he was going on the playoffs. I thought, and I'll tell you this, because you're I mean a legend, I'll tell you. But when I when he reached out to me, I reached out to Pop and I asked Pop, like, hey, where do you see him going? Because I didn't want him doing my stuff, and they don't want stuff if it wasn't going to fit in the Spurs system. All right, I didn't want him up there rolling on the ground and doing that. So Pop was like, I want him in that nail area. I want him that Dirk area because I know where we're going. You know, that's the area that's going to get him space and he'll be able to dominate. And so that was a huge focus as well. It's putting him in those areas. And we watched film. We watched film with a player We're going to kind of mimic that night for the second work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about guys who changed the game. You mentioned that Magic changed the game. I mean you can go back to probably Bob Coosey change the game. There's certain guys who changed the game when they came along.

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Speaker 3: Steph Curry has changed the game absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if did Michael change the game because he didn't have that signature like Steph changed. He had more of an impact on basketball than anybody, I think, because everybody thinks they can shoot threes now, nobody thought they could jump like Mike.

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Speaker 3: Be like Mike.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just curious the number because Wemby feels like he's going to change the game.

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Speaker 12: To answer the first part, Mike to me didn't change the game in a way. He became above the game. It was almost like he transcended sport in a way where you wanted to be like be like Mike. I didn't care what she did, soccer, football, baseball. He inspired boxing, whatever it was he inspired except by Tyson when they ran into each other, but he inspired everybody else in every single thing. So he made you want to be better at whatever you did. So that was Mike. So he was a little bit above the game. Wimby always say this. He was the creative player that created players would create. So for example, if Lebron and Katie were playing two K and like now with the seven three dudes, seven to four dude who can shoot with handles, who can run like a gazelle like, it would be Wimby. He's the one that they would create to play if they were just playing around a video game.

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Speaker 3: Did Dirk Novichky change the game?

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Speaker 12: He did from the standpoint of shooting, because at that point, for somebody that shot that good, it was like Larry Bird six nine, six ten.

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Speaker 5: Dirk was.

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Speaker 12: Dirk's championship run is really one of the great ones in recent memory. It was so underrated for what he did and how he did it, who he was going against with that great team and at that time, like Jason Terry as sixth man was probably his second best score, right, and then he just kind of put them on their back. And actually that was the person I showed a video to Wendy when we're watching Dirk in that finals run. We're watching the areas he was dominating and how he was doing it. But yeah, Dirk changed the game in a small way. I don't think it'll get credit like Steph.

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Speaker 3: Will Yeah, in that mid range.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Kevin Durantz made a Hall of Fame career out of that mid range jumper. And it feels like and I always encourage players, take it.

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Speaker 3: If they're giving it to you, take it, and Durant has done that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 12: Dan, if I tell you I'm gonna I'm gonna drive to your studio and you're like, hey, the freeway is probably the quickest way, but right now it's a car accident, so it's back up.

00:27:40
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get some streets to go through. I'm gonna go through the streets.

00:27:42
Speaker 12: Right now, the mid range is available because everybody's trying to take out threes and layups. It's like the jab in boxing. I think it keeps the defensive honest. Could you imagine if Shay couldn't play in the mid range, or Michael Jordan or Lebron or KD. And it's funny and the most important times of the season, in the playoffs, nobody talks about all. That's a bad shot. It's like, no move that score any way.

00:28:00
Speaker 5: You can.

00:28:01
Speaker 12: The best players I've ever seen dominate the mid range because it's hard to double team there and you keep people so off balanced.

00:28:07
Speaker 5: With that shot.

00:28:08
Speaker 3: Talking to Jamal Crawford, I love talking to you and why.

00:28:11
Speaker 5: It takes so long. Yeah, you're giving Rids all of love right now.

00:28:15
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right. It's an open invite.

00:28:18
Speaker 2: And now that Marvin has let me know that I missed out on your handles, God, I can't.

00:28:24
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.

00:28:26
Speaker 5: There's YouTube you can still go back.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: No, no, Marvin sends me videos. I'm being honest, Yes, Marv.

00:28:31
Speaker 8: The move against Kirk Heinrich is easily one of the five nastiest moves in the history of the NBA.

00:28:37
Speaker 5: Mar Marv, I'm gonna tell you this.

00:28:40
Speaker 12: I played with Kirk and Chicago when he kind of knew how my handle pattern would go, and I made that move up on the fly. I was literally coming down, of course, saying what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? And I did it, and I was like, what I do? And that's why you've never seen it again, because I never mastered it. It was absolutely on accident. So I appreciate that.

00:28:57
Speaker 2: Why has it got to be against the white guy Marvin that you're gonna single that out?

00:29:00
Speaker 8: Oh oh man, I'm sorry, man. I mean he got Wes Matthews, he got re Allen. I mean he was an equal opportunity. Yeah, I was an equal opportunity ankle taker.

00:29:09
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't care about that.

00:29:11
Speaker 2: Jason Williams had a that now that was a fun to handle everything about you know, and his ability to pass as well. When you factor that in, you can have a handle.

00:29:23
Speaker 3: But he was.

00:29:24
Speaker 2: He used his handle to create opportunities, it felt like for his teammates, and.

00:29:29
Speaker 12: He was so fun to watch, Like his entertainment value was just unbelievable, and he had a totally different skip in rhythm to his handle.

00:29:36
Speaker 5: I'll tell you a funny story.

00:29:37
Speaker 12: When I was a rookie, Chris Webber obviously was playing with sack at the time, and he knew I had to handle.

00:29:43
Speaker 5: It was in the layup line and Chris got Jason.

00:29:45
Speaker 12: Williams's attention, like, look look at Jamal, and I'm like almost age. I don't even know combination I did, but I was trying to show j Will that I had a handle as Will and getting was approval.

00:29:55
Speaker 5: Yeah you can drive off.

00:29:56
Speaker 12: Yeah.

00:29:56
Speaker 5: I didn't even play that night, but I went home and told everybody Jay.

00:29:59
Speaker 2: Wilson, I want to add this to NBA terminology. Shots discouraged. Okay, so Wemby, you know, he discourages a lot of shots. They should keep a stat of shots discouraged. And I mean, maybe it's only a stat for Wemby because I love watching him play, but the number of shots that he discourages, not even blocks, but discourages from you even taking the shots, well.

00:30:33
Speaker 5: He scares you.

00:30:33
Speaker 12: He's almost like the big kid as a kid. You have to check his birth certificates to see if he's really that age. Like he's said to you up, he'll turn his back like go ahead and shoot, No, I'm going to get it. He's like something I've never seen before. And what I figured out about him is working with him. He's a big, but he's really a tall guard. Like I thought I was a tall guard at six foot five, and then you saw guys like Durant McGrady who was taller than me that can really handle the ball. And then he just took it out somewhere we never thought would take it. When you see him, damn, what excites you about?

00:31:04
Speaker 2: I just I looked at his touch, you know that when he shoots. I wanted to see form. I wanted to see rotation. I want to see touch. Obviously, the defensive stuff was there. When he first got to San Antonio, I said, you got to get him a point guard to put him in position.

00:31:23
Speaker 5: To score, all right, right, we all did, yeah.

00:31:26
Speaker 2: And it felt like he was he'd get down. You know when you see a deer, you know when it's born, and it's kind of kind of stumbling a little bit. He didn't know where to set up. And I kept thinking, he's already an A on the defensive end, but he was probably a B minus on the offensive end. And I said, boy, if he ever gets up to where he's going to be the best player in the sport, he'll be the face of the sport. And that's happening, maybe a little quicker than people thought, so.

00:31:55
Speaker 12: Much quicker in the way he thinks, Like the dinners we went to were even more impressive. The encore work, Like he read fifty books last year and he didn't even tell me that stat So that's a book a week that he read last year. Like he's a brilliant, brilliant young man. It feels like you're talking to somebody much older. But just the way he he's almost like we know the freaky stuff he does, but the role player type things he does. He's sprinds every single time he sprints it to a screen. If he doesn't get the ball, he's not mad, he's spritten back. He'll road for rotation like he's everything he does. It's like he plays with the energy. He's trying to make the team. Oh, by the way, it's crazy, it's crazy.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: But that's what the NBA should show at the Rookie seminar is that guy wants to play and be great every night. There's no load management. I mean, a blood clot stopped him, but not much else. You know, if he gets banged up a little bit, which he will, is a big man. But I love that he wants to play and he wants to be great. He wants to be the MVP, he wants to be the Defensive Player of the Year.

00:32:58
Speaker 12: To be that young. Just take out the stuff he does, just to be that age. Most guys are just trying to establish himself. He's already so far down the road that he's like, no, I understand my responsibility to the game itself. We have to grow this game. We have to you know, make this game. Look at the USA versus the world game. He made that single handedly competitive man to be competitive, like he understands the responsibility. I saw a picture of Joker the last time they played, and Joker went off and they won, But there was a picture of Joker kind of looking up at when he's smiling like, and I said, Joker feels like how we do when we watch him. This is the first time he's like really excitedly. Oh my, I have somebody to keep me engaged in the game like a thing.

00:33:39
Speaker 2: Uh what happens if the Pistons bowl out.

00:33:44
Speaker 12: I'm gonna be honest. I thought they were losing the first round. And I know Poulo's a Seattle guy. I just did because I thought, once you put two on on Kate as good as he is, who else is going to consistently be able to be a playmaker consistently because you need all the playoffs.

00:33:59
Speaker 5: They want to take out your first two options. Kid's gone.

00:34:03
Speaker 12: Who else can do it consistently to beat a team, and I wasn't sure they could do it in a Playoll.

00:34:07
Speaker 2: Say, has Peyton Pritchard played in your pro am league?

00:34:12
Speaker 12: He has not, and he's close by. He's in Oregon in the summer. So I tried to get it, but got I think I got to make it happen. I think if I just tell him you only get to shoot shots where the quarters about to end, I think that'll.

00:34:22
Speaker 5: Excite him everything.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: I send Marvin summer league videos of Peyton Pritchard playing, and that's why this shouldn't be a surprise what he's doing with Boston. Like if you even in college. He was a great score in college. But I would send those videos to Marvin and Peyton Pritchard he's he can be nasty.

00:34:50
Speaker 12: He absolutely can. You guys, are you guys are changing notes now you're like, okay, here's proper.

00:34:54
Speaker 5: Let me show you this. I see what you did.

00:34:58
Speaker 12: Great because he some of his friends, right, and he hired them that play basketball, just the Garden of the summer, all different sizes of guys six seven, okay, this guy is six to two, this guy sixty four. And he had to figure it out. So it slows the game down. For that was a brilliant way to train as well. So it makes sense why he's tough to guard.

00:35:15
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he hired us, you know, friends of varying sizes to guard him.

00:35:21
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, all they do is for summer and he has to figure it out. Okay, this guy likes to do this. This guy does this, and it's a huge advantage because you're seeing people from different you know, athleticism, standpoints and everything else.

00:35:35
Speaker 3: Great to talk to.

00:35:36
Speaker 5: You always, you're the man.

00:35:38
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jamal Crawford. Always appreciate his wisdom. NBA on NBC Game Analysts three times six Man of the Year, played twenty years in the league, has one of the best handles, Marvin of anybody who's ever played.

00:35:53
Speaker 8: Also made the semi finals for the Hall of Fame last year too.

00:35:57
Speaker 3: I know, I know.

00:35:58
Speaker 8: That's one of those and people respect him so much. He didn't make an All Star team. He was a semi finalist to make the Hall of Fame.

00:36:06
Speaker 2: Has anybody made the Hall of Fame and never made an All Star Paul.

00:36:12
Speaker 6: We're gonna look, but probably not. I mean, we've looked at this kind of stuff before. Twenty years, six Man of the Year three times, zero All Star appearances, but like scoring, he's way up there.

00:36:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna look.

00:36:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let me take a break. We'll come back with your phone calls after this.

00:36:32
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00:36:44
Speaker 2: Pick your sneaky good steal from the NFL draft outside of the first round. You got one player, Oh, sneaky.

00:36:56
Speaker 9: Tod.

00:36:56
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with you, Vandermilt Vanderbilt.

00:36:59
Speaker 7: Senior, Tit and Eli Stowers, selected by the Eagles in Round two, fifty fourth overall pick. Philadelphia's tight ends finished with the sixth lowest total receiving guys in the NFL last season. The film suggest this guy can produce worth, noting his explosive first step.

00:37:12
Speaker 2: This guy had a vertical of forty five and a half inches. That's crazy, and he's a big kid. I think Philadelphia might have gotten I agree with you, Todd. And that was Diego Pavia's favorite target. All right, Dylan, all right, Dan Wilsonce Todd took mine.

00:37:34
Speaker 5: Oh, what are you talking about.

00:37:36
Speaker 4: The Raiders in the second round got safety trade in Stokes from Arizona, considered maybe a first round talent. I think the Raiders did pretty well and you know, help out at Nickel, join that defensive back squad.

00:37:50
Speaker 3: You kind of like it. He's good.

00:37:51
Speaker 8: Marvin Georgia linebacker CJ. Allen picked fifty third by the Colts. He can help them with the run, help them with the rush. I think it's a big pick for Indianapolis.

00:38:02
Speaker 6: Okay, Paul, I always like running backs for these things. Former Hoosier Kaylan Black really good all purpose back last year for the Hoosiers. He was drafted I think in the third round by San Francisco and McCaffrey gets banged up. They put him right in there and he gets eight hundred yards.

00:38:19
Speaker 2: Make sure you bundle Libertymutual dot Com or with your local independent agent.

00:38:24
Speaker 3: Ken in Vegas. I Ken, Hey, DP, how you doing good? Good?

00:38:31
Speaker 13: Still recovering from the Fritchy special back surgery. But I'd like to say I think we're overlooking the true victim of the NCAA tournament expansion, and that would be the new wife of the guy who puts the bracket on his wall. Sorry, like, what do you what do you mean they're expanding, You're adding to the big board, making it bigger.

00:38:55
Speaker 3: All right, yep, thank you.

00:38:57
Speaker 5: Ken.

00:38:57
Speaker 2: A little call back there that member of our audience. I think he was getting married and his wife was saying that he can't put up the brackets on the living room wall anymore. Before the break, I was curious that Jamal Crawford never made an All Star Game. But he's a Hall of Fame candidate as anybody made the Hall of Fame. Just NBA players. I'm not talking about European stuff. That it was just an NBA player didn't make the All Star team and was a Hall of Famer.

00:39:28
Speaker 6: Good caveat by you, because there's a bunch of European guys who got credit for their work. Ar Vitas, Tony Kuo, coach, Dina Raja, Shrewness, Marshal Onis, Ye, your guy, Drazen Petrovic. There is one player I found modern era who played twelve seasons, very relevant team, never made an All Star team and is in the Hall of Fame. I think we brought it up less than a year ago. Played the late seventies to the early nineties on a very relevant basketball team.

00:40:01
Speaker 3: Danny Inge, No, but that's a good guess. Marvin Michael Cooper, Michael Cooper.

00:40:07
Speaker 6: The Lakers is correct.

00:40:07
Speaker 3: Boo boo boop bloop.

00:40:09
Speaker 6: Five time NBA champ, but never made an Auld Star, eight time All Defensive.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: Okay, good, let me see Andy and Iowa Hi, Andy, what's on your mind?

00:40:20
Speaker 5: DP?

00:40:21
Speaker 11: Six two and a half two hundred and ten pounds. First of all, a lot to remember, but suck at back row? Sorry about that all the Wemby talk. I gotta maybe put Paully in and Marvin on this one. So he drives into the paint, or excuse me, the opost drive into the paint. Wemby's in the paint and he's seven foot four thirty six inch vertical, four foot long arms conservatively, what do we think in fourteen fourteen and a half feet that ball's got an arc so that he's not swatting it into the second row?

00:40:52
Speaker 5: Yeah?

00:40:54
Speaker 11: Probably somewhere in there. I think it's a it's a staff that we should get Paulie on to do some exact math. I don't have the tools.

00:41:00
Speaker 5: Would sed it with me right now?

00:41:01
Speaker 2: I'd like I'd like to know that. Oh so we're doing arc. We don't do math. You heard us last hour with the lottery. We screwed that up.

00:41:09
Speaker 3: Or maybe is it physics geometry? Yeah, I would man, there's your answer A protractor.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, yeah, I remember getting stabbed with a protractor. I stabbed myself with the protractor to end it. No, yes, anything to get out of this class. Two hours in the books, already flying by on this Wednesday. But wait, there's one more hour. Fritzie's here, Dylan, Marvin, Paul Yours truly talk some football with the Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer.

00:41:45
Speaker 3: After this