E360- Why Most Dogs Are Failing (Pet vs Working Dog Explained)

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today we're gonna be talking about something really important for dog owners to understand and have context about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's gonna be the difference between a working dog and a pet dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I made a post the other day on my Instagram regarding my South African Massive A.K.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aborable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also known as Burley, if you know him, you've seen him on my channel, he is a working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did a post and I said, hey, this is an awful pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do not get this dog for a pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had 30,000 people like the post and said, yep, that's agreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I had some people in the comments talking about how their borbol is the best dog ever and they are the best pet ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it made me think, you know, this is a really good topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, of discussion, because, you know, as a professional in social media is weird, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, excuse me, you go out and you post.
[SPEAKER_00]: something and of course people who don't know you or don't have any context in which the dog you're talking about will just see that quick highlight but that's social media but it really gives me insight on how other people feel about different things which is a lot of times I don't even look at the comments but this particular post I was interested to see people's opinion on the South African Massive and the opinions of others.
[SPEAKER_00]: which then led me down this road of having on as a actual boardable, let's say a boardable expert and a breeder that is coming on in the next couple weeks, which I'm excited about, but that's neither here or there right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The
[SPEAKER_00]: idea be the whole premise behind a working dog in a pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should get context on because I think that that's where a lot of people almost feel offended or they feel that it's on true and in the context matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's define that.
[SPEAKER_00]: A working dog is a particular dog in the genetics behind the dog that was raised in bread or I should back up bread and raised to work, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So think about
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about a German Shepherd, think about a Malenwall, think about a Borbol, think about a Antolian Shepherd, think about even Labrador's and Golden Retrievers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's a huge spectrum in these breeds, which is very important for people to understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if I say I have a German Shepherd,
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could have a working line German Shepherd or you could have a pet German Shepherd.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so a pet is literally bread and raised to be a companion.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's their bread to raise to be a family member.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: Being a professional dog owner and having a leash and a dog in my hands as I was three years old, I have a unique objective approach on dogs and understanding of dog behavior because I've made this my life's goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: God put me on this earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have one life and I've dedicated it to understand and study and research and work and train with with dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've really dedicated my entire life
[SPEAKER_00]: to understand the ends and the outs of dogs, and I'm learning every day, and I'm so happy and grateful for that career.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I understand that there's other people who may take something from a professional dog trainer, not just me, and feel offended, emotional, and what I mean by that is, is I have a lot of friends who get working dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, the difference between that working dog and a pet dog, your pet dog is a dog that you go down to the shelter, you get a,
[SPEAKER_00]: dog, just hang out on the couch with your friends and your family and your kids and enjoy walks on the weekend on your days off and go to the beach for the week, whatever, this is a dog that's just an extension of your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't not mean that the working dog that you get isn't a part of your family or isn't loved or doesn't have a nice comfy bed to sleep on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just means that that dog's purpose is much different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I get a dog like Burley, and I made it very, very clear when I picked him up, that I was getting a very particular dog for a very particular reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Burley was brought into my life as some of you already know, because there was, unfortunately, a young girl who got kidnapped probably 10 miles from my house at a campground that I used to frequent as a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it scared the crap out of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: because I have a one year old and a three year old.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I remember tossing and turning one night, just absolutely terrified and sick to my stomach for the parents and just wrenching and hoping for the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember like, I want to get the most protective dog I possibly can think of for my kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, let's go back to the pet in the working line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have worked with a handful of working line boroughs.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are dogs, so again we have that spectrum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just make it easier for you guys because not a lot of people are familiar with the borough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you get a golden retriever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's two sides of the spectrum of a golden retriever.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is the field golden, which is built a little bit differently, looks a little bit different to the naked eye, you would have no idea that it's a working line golden, or what we call a field golden.
[SPEAKER_00]: These dogs are high-drive, they want to go fetch, they want to retrieve.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's this end of this spectrum of that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it comes in a lot of different waveforms.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've met field golden that don't go in the home.
[SPEAKER_00]: they don't know what carpet feels like, they don't know what a bed feels like, they don't know what a bath feels like and they don't care to.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are kept in the kennel, you go out in the morning, you let them out or they're in an in and out kennel or a geeting kennel, they go out, they go potty, they're fed their breakfast and they go to work or they wait for the next day to go to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just how working dogs are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, for some people who own pets that is very foreign to you, that is very, in some cases, some people may even look at it as mean or not fair or even cruel to some extents, and then the people who work with these dogs for a living, they have a completely different understanding and objective for this particular dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these dogs also are used to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't want to be inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want it hugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want kisses.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to cuddle.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to be in the couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you try to take that,
[SPEAKER_00]: Square and putting it around whole a lot of times maybe not with a field golden retriever because the worst case scenario is is they're just going to chew on things around your house.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be really difficult for you to raise that dog right because you have a working dog that you're trying to raise as a pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully you guys are following along here as we're moving through this and I have my oatmeal matcha here that's getting cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I appreciate everybody on this podcast is is incredibly amazing to to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully that kind of paints a picture of the difference between a working dog and a pet dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get into the the the the burly thing in a moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: So understanding that
[SPEAKER_00]: German Shepherd's same thing, they, you could have a working line German Shepherd or you can have a pet line or a show line German Shepherd.
[SPEAKER_00]: A pet line or show line German Shepherd is not going to have a lot of drive likely they're not going to have a lot of energy or they're not going to have a lot of motivation to go and work, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you get a working line German Shepherd, they're going to be whiny, they're going to be vocal, they're going to be reactive sometimes if you don't outlet them, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a huge spectrum of dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I never knew that there was a spectrum of the boreble up until recently, again, that post was really eye-opening to me because all the borebles that I've worked with, all the boreble owners that I've worked with and all the boreble people that I've worked with have made it very, very, very, very, very clear that borebles are, and this is just, again,
[SPEAKER_00]: are all the working line-borable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the working line-borable, just like we talked about with the Golden Retriever spectrum, is very similar, and again, I'm diving into this and learning more about the breed as we go, I already know a lot about the working line breed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have one, I've trained multiple.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done my research, obviously, with getting one of these dogs, I work closely with Burley, my master's breeder.
[SPEAKER_00]: I met Mom, I met Dad, I went on the site,
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's just give you the spectrum.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's the South African farm working line boardable, which is what I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: High calibre, red lining all the time, extremely suspicious, even nervy to a certain extent of C&A trash can.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how to play C&A plastic bag that's at a place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, extremely, extremely nervy to new things into the environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I have found with all the boardals I've worked with.
[SPEAKER_00]: they can be reactive, they can be protective, but none of them have been maniators.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're big.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will get in your face.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will bark at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will let you know that they're there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They will posture up and these are 150 to 200 pound gorillas walking around, all muscle, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is scary and it is terrifying, which is why I have worked with multiple of them and have seen that behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: including mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's that side.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I always thought that that was the horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have seen and heard a bunch of different people, especially on that post on my Instagram saying like, my Bourbles a couch potato.
[SPEAKER_00]: My Bourble is the sweetest.
[SPEAKER_00]: My Bourble is this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, my Bourble is really sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves his
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be nervous about him becoming aggressive, he can be reactive, he can be scary, he can bark, he's played with every dog, he's formally met as long as they don't try to attack him for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point is he is the other end of this spectrum.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is both of his mom and his dad came from South Africa, working line dogs, his dad is pretty chill, but his mom is extremely spicy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that makes him that type of dog, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't until recently again that I have found that there's apparently a pet line of borbols that I had no idea about, and this isn't a borbol podcast, this is just in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys want to understand the differences between a working line and a pet line,
[SPEAKER_00]: Most breeds have that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that there's certain breeds that are exempt from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a border Colle would be a good exemption.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are pretty much a hundred percent of working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Malin was have some sort of a spectrum.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have like my Dutch Shepherd who's also a Malin wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does have an off-switch.
[SPEAKER_00]: She loves to work, but she'll also go land the couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she has a really good off-switch and a good, uh, it gets medium there in the middle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's just important for people to understand that when I bring a dog into my home or other professionals or people who are raising training and working dogs, these dogs are tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we love them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we care about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we want what's in their best interest, but understand that these dogs are specific tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I get a dog for an example for a very particular reason and they don't work out, we don't keep that dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a lot of friends who, you know, really aren't on social media, but trained dogs professionally and have since I was born and they go through.
[SPEAKER_00]: sometimes four or five dogs a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's just important for dog owners to understand that there is a significant, significant difference between getting a working dog for a particular job and getting a pet to hang out with you and your family on the couch and go for walks in the weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are two separate things, and if you don't know the differences, we can be really confused about how dogs act, the decision-making of the handler, and what is really appropriate and okay and safe for these working dogs versus pets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really important for people to really understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stress that enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like I said, I've seen professional dog trainers go through multiple dogs a year because they don't fit what they're supposed to be doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to see it when I was working police dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would we would get a dog and the dog wouldn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'd we'd either ship it back to get a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would just adopt the dog out to a pet home because they weren't driving enough, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's like a big misconception.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember I said one time.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the podcast, I was talking to a friend and they said, like, yeah, they, they just gave, they just gave up their dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, I read in the comments a couple times, people were like, I can't believe that person gave away his dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, look, if you got to understand that that dog is a working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of my friends who do sport work, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mondiorang, French ring, IG3, IGP3, whatever it's called now.
[SPEAKER_00]: these dogs are bought and starting to train for a very particular purpose and if they don't have enough drive or they're nervous or they're they have a bad bite or they got a gimp in their leg those dogs are going back no questions asked.
[SPEAKER_00]: because that dog isn't brought on to the property to be a pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a completely different thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've had pets in my whole life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lakota was my first working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a dog that I knew I was going to get for a very particular thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I used to hear from us the decade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lakota was a working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was my demo dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I brought her to work every day when I was doing six or seven sessions every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Monday through Sunday and I brought her to work and she worked and worked and worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if at any point in time, Lakota became aggressive or she became injured, she has such a good off-switch that she could become a pet and kind of retire into my home, which is basically where she's at now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of dogs who don't have that off-switch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, anyway, getting down that rabbit hole and really explaining, I just wanted to explain to people, there is a significant difference between a working dog and a pet dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, if you get a working dog and it doesn't work out, that's just normal part of the work, that a lot of dog people go through.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we get a police dog and it doesn't
[SPEAKER_00]: no questions asked because you're buying a tool like if I went and I bought a car from somebody and a month later the engine died that's that's a lemon that that car is going back oh I missed that car it's again you know it's a little bit different and I and I just see so many pet owners get really confused and offended and and even upset and and vocal about
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these situations that happened and and I made that video and I said that the Borble is an awful pet and I meant it for the working line Borble because it is the most challenging dog breed I have ever worked with Ever like hands down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I honest to God on my life would much rather I would have three malign laws
[SPEAKER_00]: over a borbol as far as the work that needs to be put in.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% hands down no questions asked because malenoids are really motivated to work with their handlers and they're motivated to to work for you and a dog like a borbol or a kind of course so or some of the other guardian breeds they really just want to be left alone and
[SPEAKER_00]: do what they want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not really obedient dogs by nature.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of independent.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They secure properties.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bark.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're really working dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's say I had a farm and I got a livestock breed like an Anatolian shepherd or
[SPEAKER_00]: A Caucasian Shepherd or something like that and even a boreble like that's what they're bred for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's just use burly Let's say I got him and I had a farm and I lived in an area where there's coyotes or wolves and I needed him to protect my livestock my goats my donkeys my chickens my cows Whatever I had
[SPEAKER_00]: And every night, a fox or a coyote went into the chicken coop or the duck's coop or whatever and just cleared it out every month, all my new chicks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burley would be going back to the breeder, no, like zero, zero questions ask, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that a lot of pet owners, people who are listening and watching, they don't understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for an example, again, like my friends who get these Mondeo ring dogs, these dogs, and for those you don't know, Mondeo ring is like a French ring or it's basically a competition for bite sports for dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very competitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: People go to Nationals and I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think
[SPEAKER_00]: Not Olympics, maybe in the Olympics now, but it's like a real big thing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And people get these dogs or let's just say flyball or dock diving.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I got a dock diving dog and I was a professional dock diver handler, and I got a dog that didn't perform.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog would go back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get this dog to be my buddy and hang out on the couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the dog doesn't want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got this dog to jump off the dock to pay my bills and they can't do it, so I need another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the dog, here's the receipt, let's get another puppy on board to see if that's better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, that happens every single day, every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm learning a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: with this dog with Burley.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm having on a a boreble expert, if you will, in the next couple of weeks, to really dive into Burley's genetics and what he, what he, how he's acting and why he's acting like that and how often do dogs like this act like that and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's important for people to understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a working line south African farm dog that was raised and have the genetics to find lions and baboons and other apex predators in the grass and surrounding areas of a farm.
[SPEAKER_00]: and so he is very suspicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a good pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a dog that we can just bring for a walk or bring downtown for ice cream because he's going to make a big deal out of everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's 165 pounds of all muscle and he's terrifying.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wouldn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other people wouldn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My kids wouldn't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a homebody dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I got him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, again, and I've talked about this before if if I got him and he just he didn't care that people walked into my house He didn't care that landscapeers walked into the backyard.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just like let him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be going back like he wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not what I want, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I want a big protective dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it works both ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Burley ended up being too much, which he's pretty borderline right now to be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if Burley works too much and he's too overly protective and too aggressive and and you know those those are conversations about like okay you know you got to meet in the middle but I just find it interesting how many pet owners just the general population of dog owners don't understand that that that you know a dog like Burley or any other people that you follow that have these working line dogs yes we care about them yes we love them but at the end of the day if they're not doing their job either properly or safely or doing their job in general
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we give those dogs back and we try another one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a, oh, you can't, you can't handle this dog or you don't like this dog or that's mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's no, no, no, I didn't get this dog for a pet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get this dog if the dog is, oh, I wanted this dog to be a different color.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted this dog's breath to smell different.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I got these dogs for
[SPEAKER_00]: very particular reason just like when a police dog comes out of the canal and if they don't know how to search for something they they get out of the canal they go to they go to a pet home
[SPEAKER_00]: Immediately they're they're given up on.
[SPEAKER_00]: They go they go for free.
[SPEAKER_00]: They usually typically just give them away to to pet ohms Or somebody who just wants a really active dog going hikes with because they don't fit the criteria of a working dog And so again the pet dog you get this dog to hang out with your family and not have any job in particular and just be a normal dog
[SPEAKER_00]: Hang around the house, be a companion, all that good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love those dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had several in my whole life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have two working dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a bore bull who's a high-class farm working dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have Lakota, which is a good happy medium.
[SPEAKER_00]: She has an off-switch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burley does not have an off-switch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're constantly talking about that and working through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys have seen all my videos with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been a fun ride.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just really kind of learning everything about these types of dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I talk about, you know, the boreble, you know, it's interesting how much kickback I get from some people saying, my boreble is super lazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, you have a, you have a pet boreble.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a working boreble.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, I'm not comparing, rather it's good or bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, we have two different dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They may look the same, but their genetics, their DNA, their brain, how they think everything is different.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about two different animals here,
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I need to be more clear about that, which is why I'm learning and doing things like this and giving people context, I do that all the time, because it's a good learning experience for me and it also gives context to people who care about context, you know, because it's important.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, the pets are a different thing, a whole different thing and it's important for, you know, I just think it's important because if somebody goes out there and gets a working dog and says, hey, Instagram, hey YouTube, this is my working dog and
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this cute little malemaw puppy and they're they're going to raise the dog for search and rescue or something and the dog could care less.
[SPEAKER_00]: don't be surprised or offended or sad or upset or you shouldn't be anyway at that person for trying to get a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tool that they got that didn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a lemon.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how working dogs work.
[SPEAKER_00]: People do it every single day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just kind of want to be that middleman if you will between the pet people and the working line people to understand the significant difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was again, it was really brought to my attention from Instagram all like do not get a boreble never get a boreble So many people are like this is bull crap.
[SPEAKER_00]: My boreble's couch potato.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, okay We have two different dogs Actually I didn't realize that I had no idea there was a pet line boreble none
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that there was that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I need to just keep getting better and learning more.
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