Podcast Premiere with Peter and Demi

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys. I'm Rachel Lindsay and I'm Elie Pattewski Mano, and you are listening to Bachelor Happy Hour. This is our first podcast. I know. I'm so excited. We've been talking about this for a while. This is something that we're really passionate about, and we feel like as two former bachelorettes who have two completely different stories, we've got a lot that we can tell. You've been the success story. I am the failure. Okay, now you're in Bachelor Nation, but not outside of Bachelor, not in life, not in life. I know, I'm so excited about this show, you guys, because I have been a super fan of the show ever since I was a Bachelor. I it's pretty much a decade ago, ten years ago. Now we're gonna have the most exclusive guests on this podcast. Now we're going to have breaking news. We're going to have guests before anyone else gets them. On the podcast. We'll be giving behind the scenes information only that two former bachelorettes can give. 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I think you guys are like long lost sisters. My girl. Yeah, I've loved her for a distance from a long time, so I can't wait to hear what she's gonna say. But and we've got Peter coming on the show, who we're going to be the first ones to talk to him since after the final rows. I can't wait to hear what he's going to say. I have all the questions, you know, we're going to ask him questions that maybe aren't TV appropriate that only we can have in this safe space on her pastor happy? Oh yeah, yeah, I thought you meant naughty things. I'm like not sweet. Oh, I'm asking computer whatever I want, like beware but tune in. Well that's so funny because what I can't wait to talk to him about when we'll get to this in a minute, but is that he's so innocent. He reminds me of my little brother. But like he's the windmill guy. Yeah, we gotta get into that with him, He's the windmill guy. Yeah, because I want to know how he felt about Hannah revealing that, and there's so many other questions to ask him that. But yeah, we definitely have to ask him about the Hannah jet situation because he lived with Jed. He knows Jed, and he can give a different perspective than what we're seeing or what we're reading in magazines. It's hard to be that excited right now because of everything that went down on the live taping of the Bachelorette. I know, I feel like I'm excited, I'm frustrated, I'm confused, I'm upset. There are so many emotions going through me right now after watching that finale. I've never seen anything like it before. I think we should save the jet stuff for the n though. That's like too sad. I can't even get into that right now. Yeah, that's heavy. Yeah, let's start on the light note, right because this is the first time that people are listening to us, So let's start on a high note. Let's do it. And I think that high note is a one word, and that is Tyler and Hannah, Tyler and Hannah together, what I'm doing. Sorry, I'm a little bit jealous right now. I'm married with two children, and I'm like, oh gosh, Hannah and Tyler Tyler so hot. We ended the finale with her asking Tyler out on the date, asking him to go have drinks, and he accepted. Are we about to have our first fight? Rachel? Is that your first fight? I'm getting all right, Well, let's see if our opinions differ. Um my thoughts were. I'm happy for them, Okay, I'm happy for them. I think that if they are able to make this relationship work after him sort of being her second choice, I'm happy if they can do that. Do I think that's probable? Probably not, but I wish them the best. That's sort of where I sort of come out on all of that. Okay, I'm gonna do a compliment sandwich here. Okay, so I'm gonna start off with something positive, but I'm gonna stuff it with some negativity. I think that's gonna be the meat of it. I love that it ended on a high note because I really do feel sorry for Hannah and all of this. And you know, we have enjoyed a great season. There have been a lot of highs and lows, and it has been extremely entertaining, but at the expense of Hannah and her emotions, and so it was nice to see her smiling and laughing and so flirty with Tyler. I appreciated that. Okay, that's one. That's one side of the right. Now, what's the stuff in the sandwich? I think there have to be lessons learned from this whole journey that she's had, and one of those is to kind of go through this in a logical way. Don't just lead with your heart, lead with your emotions. Don't become infatuated and get caught up in the moment. You really have to think things through and take your time. And so I really hope that she does that with Tyler. But I agree with you, I just don't see that that can actually happen. At the same time, for Tyler, it's like she didn't pick you. She said she was in love with someone else that didn't work out. Now I want to talk to you. Is he just caught up in the emotion of things right now? To answer too, he both your kind of points. Is one the stuff about being caught up in the moment. I don't think this was a spur of the moment decision. I think they've been texting. I think they've been in contact. I mean when she came up on the stage or he came up rather, that was not the first time that they have talked since the show. Come on, I agree with you. I don't think that's the first time they've talked. I think that it was not a spur of the moment thing for her. I think he was caught off guard. If you saw his face, he kind of was like, I mean, yeah, we can have a drink and catch up. You know. He didn't say I'm all in, let's get this whole thing started. He wasn't really on the same page here. Now, to end this with another positive note, I'm not mad at it because that knocks Tyler out of the running for Bachelor, and I can keep promoting Mike. Okay, now Mike steps it up again. You know, I'm for this, Rachel's for Mike, I'm for Peter. So we're gonna also argue about that a little number two, number two and only a few minutes into the podcast. But also another point, though, I'm gonna actually bring in some the whole other aspect, the fact that he's the runner up, her second choice. Really, um, I don't know that that's necessarily a bad thing for the chances of the relationship. I mean, look at Ari and Lauren, like the baby, and she was by far his second choice. Oh Ali, I think it's apples and oranges because he made a conscious decision too. Yes, he chose back up, but he made the conscious decision to end it and then go after Lauren. You're right, that's not what Hannah didn't make the choice to end it. Hannah was you know, duped she know she was she was dating or was engaged to somebody who turned out to be a completely different person. By default, she has decided to go back to Tyler. It's not by choice. No, I'm definitely with you there. Um, there is obviously so much we could talk about, but I feel like we really need to go all the way back to the beginning and really like how we got to this point. I feel like you've had some interesting feeling. You always tell it like it is, Rachel. That's one of the reasons I feel like that's what we bonded even when we first met. Yes, and you weren't totally thrilled with Hannah becoming the bauchlor Is that right? Yes? And I'm glad you asked me that question because I really want to clear that up. The reason I said I wasn't thrilled when I was caught off guard on the red carpet, which should never happen. But two because I had been such a proponent for an older bachelorette, I wasn't really into I never thought they would reach back and pick number seven, eight, whatever Hannah was. I just was more of like, you know, what, let's do for the women what they've been doing for the men. You know, for the Bachelor, they've gone back and they've picked older bachelors, so why not do it for the women. That is all I meant by that, but I will say and watching Hannah, you can see the progression of Hannah during her season, and I feel like the Bachelor, everybody has their own journey. Let's go ahead and start using these bachelor cliches. This is bachelor happy, Yeah, so why not. But everyone has their own journey, whether that be a journey of love, whether that be a journey of heartache, or whether that just be a journey of self awareness and learning who you are. And that's what I feel like we're getting from Hannah. You can see that in episode nine. She is not the same Hannah that gave Luke p the first impression roles, even the same Hannah that said stay in your lane exactly. Yeah, And I have enjoyed watching Hannah coming too her own. So you heard it here first. I have no problems with Hannah bab none whatsoever. And I truly have enjoyed watching her season. I've found it quite entertaining. I thought it's been so good and I just I think too. After Colton season, I thought, okay, you know, every season we hear Chris Harrison and Chris Harrison fashion say this is the most dramatic season ever, and it just keeps being true like before he would say it and it was never really true for a while. Sorry Chris, but it was like, okay, that was the same as the last season. The last few seasons it has been like, oh my gosh, it really is the most dramatic season ever. And I think this really is true because this season is completely different because we know I mean, I'm trying to think back right now, but has there ever been a season before where they're just like completely done. I mean, I'm thinking all the way back to Jason Mesnick season where it was like him and Melissa breaks up with Melissa. This is way og, guys, this is where you're gonna get the difference between me and Rachel. I'm the og. I'm gonna talk about like seasons back with Jason Mesnick. So if you're and I've never heard of these people, I'm just kidding out. We've been at the Bachelorette reunion. But there are differences because, like you said, you've been a fan of the show. I wasn't. I did not watch the show until I was on the show, and now I've fallen in love with it and it worked for me. He really did take away this experience from her he did do you think he did? Oh? What's that? What's that? You guys can't see her face right now, but there's some some skepticism there. Let me also just say that when you hear me pause, it's probably because I'm taking a drink, because this is Bachelor Happy Hours, so we do want you to drink responsibly, but we also do want you to drink with us, So we do drink throughout the podcast, as we should at happy hour is the best hour, So please make sure you join us during this hour. And we don't discriminate, you know. Actually, well we kind of do discriminate on the batch or it's mostly champagne, but we have wine in here today. We have we maybe we should have had champagne first episode. We're gonna change it up. We're gonna change it up each time, all right, and it will do things different all the time. Okay, okay. Do I think that Jed took this experience away from Hannah? Yes? And no? Um oh, do you think she took it away from herself? No? I don't think that she That's what I said about the progressive progression of Hannah. She has had a journey and maybe it didn't end the way that she thought, but she he didn't take anything away from her. Look at how Hannah has grown. I mean when Hannah started her season, everybody was like, oh my gosh, she can't former sentence. Oh my gosh, she can't she can't express herself. Then she stands there and tells Luke p off better than I could have done myself. And I and I think that I could tell somebody off in two seconds. That's a really good comp I thought it was well thought out. She made such good points, it was passionate, and it had purpose. And that is a Hannah that if you weren't behind her before, you were behind her after that. So Jed did not take that away from Hannah. Hannah really found herself throughout this season. So that's why I say no, yes in the sense that her goal obviously was to find her person at the end of this and she didn't because she was bamboozled kind of by Jed. The other thing I think about that is Jed told her how he came onto the season. It's not just that he changed his mind, it's the whole purpose of him wanting to be on the show. He came on the show to deceive her. That is a hard pill for me to swallow. I couldn't see past that. If I was on the Bachelorette and a guy told me, Hey, I came here to deceive you, but actually I've fallen in love with you. I don't believe necessarily came to deceive her. He came to help his music. Actually, you know at night you need to talk about it. The girlfriend thing that makes him. But when he told her about the music, she didn't know about the girlfriend, like knowing about the girlfriend. Yes, he came there to deceive her, but just the music. Like I came on the show. Just when I was on The Bachelor, I went on, just have a good time, right like I and I really most people I've talked to from show, I'm curious what you have to say when they sign up to go on the show as a contestant, so not as the Bachelor. That's different. At that point you know it works, and you're looking for love because you know it work. But as a contestant, I went on thinking like I'm gonna go for I worked at Facebook at the time. It was a whole storyline. When I was on The Bachelor, I left to go back to my job. I remember telling my boss, I'll be gone for like two weeks, and that's the same thing. I thought. I was going to go have some fun, have some drinks at by the pool. Get eliminated pretty early because I just didn't think i'd be there that long. And things changed when I got there, and then I realized, Oh my gosh, I can find love. Oh my gosh, I can you know, get you know, get a relationship out of this. And I think now I try to put myself in jed shoes, my thing with Jed as when Jed sat there and told Hannah, Hey, so blah blah blah blah. I came on here from music. First, he prefaced it by giving this whole soliloquy about how music is his life and he has loved music before he could even walk, and his grandparents were in it. I think it was his father's. One of his parents is into music, and music is just so a part of his family and it means so much to him. You're twenty five, so for twenty five years, that has been your world, and you're telling me that is why you came on the show. For your world. What has been so crucial for you for twenty five years, and all of a sudden, out of from eight days, you're gonna put that aside for a girl you don't know who's dating twenty plus other men. Get out of here. I would not have been able to see. I see what you're saying. I do well. Obviously I was right, and you're gonna have to be bleak that out. But I'm sorry. I will give you that. I will give you that, and with that, I think I'm gonna pour myself a little bit more. Like Okay, before we go on, we got to talk about Peter. He's gonna be calling in a few minutes. This guy's always got a plane somewhere, so we had to like get him in between flights to come on the show. We're like, please just call in. I adore Peter. I was so heartbroken. You don't like him? Oh my, Rachel, you must be the only person out there that doesn't like him. I don't dislike Peter. I don't dislike Peter at all. I think that Peter's like I don't know, magoo McGoo like, I just don't think that there's I think Peter is so sweet and he seems cute. You know. I've even joked that I think he's got like the haircut of a toddler. I think then he seems like a really sweet boy. Peter is no longer going to be a guest on the podcast. He just called in and said he's not talking to us. But I'm not like swept off my feet when it comes to Peter. I think that Peter seems so sweet and so nice, but I don't. I'm very indifferent. I don't. I don't sway either way when it comes to Peter. I guess that's my thing. I'm not caught up in the Peter craze. I love him. I just think he's so sweet. He's so and what I liked about him though you had did you had to have seen this on the show, that he's like kind of like been really dorky all season. He like, I love dorks. Dorks are my jam My husband's a big dork and I love him for it. Um so I love you, babe. I'm probably later, but um you know, he's been awkward. He like awkwardly threw her on the pool table and like hit his head off the lamp and then awkwardly laid her down in the sauna, and every time I would laugh out loud watching Peter try to make out with Hannah. It was the best um. But after the Fantasy Suite, after the windmill, that was a new Peter. I mean he had this confidence. He was like, this is my girl. Like I was like, that is the Peter that like is hot, Like that is like, that's a hot Peter. He said mic drop after his fantasy sweet dates, so that that bubble was burst real quick when she didn't give him a rose, Like he had to question what he did in that windmill because obviously he thought he stilled the deal and it really was his plane ticket home. Yeah, and I would think, well, maybe something happened. I just think she described him as his kinned as her kind all, and I just think that he was he was there's nothing wrong with him. He's great on paper. I think it was this when I when I really start to like Peter. It was during his hometown and then when that like I stepped back, I thought, oh wait, you really just loved his family. It wasn't that you were so into him, Like he's just a good guy, a great package. But he just doesn't have that factor. You know, well, it seems like now it's a good time to call him, so I think we should do that. Let's go ahead and dial him. Mop you got his number? Yeah, all right, Happy hour listeners. 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That's Madison Dashread dot com. Hey Peter, Welcome to our podcast, Oh My gosh, we're so excited to talk to you. Hell you guys. Yeah, I'm stup to be here. Thanks for having me. Yes, thank you so much for being here and talking to us. This is our very first podcast. It's called Bachelor Happy Hour. We're so happy to have you on it. So thank you for being here. But also you're welcome because you're about to have such a good time. All right, I'm looking forward to all right. So we have so many questions, so I say we just get into this. So Peter, oh my gosh, my heart broke when everything happened when Hannah said good by to you. You've got to walk us through that. I mean you had to have been blindsided in that moment. Yeah. Um, yeah, that was That was a rough day for sure. Um. You know, I remember going into so I was the first Fantasy Suite date for that week in Greece, and um, so I had a kind of a week to you know, just play everything back in my head and just you know, think about everything, and I remember feeling so so confident and so secure in what we had. Um. Right after that that day was amazing. The whole night, everything about it was was just so amazing. That relationship. I truly felt, you know, I was on that next level and that was you know, that was my person um. So I remember going to that ceremony still feeling very very confident. I had a little bit of nerves, but just feeling so good about it all. And then you know, she calls Jud's name and there's one more rose there, and you know, obviously the nerves are starting to pick up, but I still felt really good about it. And then and then she you know, says Tyler's name, and I just remember like going in the complete shock and just being completely blindsided. Just didn't expect that whatsoever. I remember just kind of I feel like I had no emotion. And and then she, you know, Hannah asked if she could, you know, walk me out and talk a little bit, and we sat down and talked. But I just remember, again I was in so much shocked that I couldn't even I didn't even think to ask her, you know, why what happened. And just in that moment, my brain wasn't processing that. It just was like, wow, this is this is it? Like this is done the relationships, it's over now, um. And then I saw that car come up, Yeah, and it was just all emotion flooded out. Well, where did you think you ranked? Like, I mean, did you think you were her number one? Or were you like oh maybe, like I know Jed and her are really close, Like how did you feel about that? Like where you were in terms of all the guys. I knew that, you know, she had solid relationships with with Jed. Um I had seen that, you know, just from the couple of group dates that I was on in same with Tyler, so um I knew she had solid relationship with them. But I after that date that we had and just you know, waking up the next morning and saying bye her, I had zero doubt that that it was me and her. So that's kind of just what made it so hard, and you know, just kind of blindsided me from it. Well you we all, we know all about your fantasy suite. Yeah, Peter, I mean, let's let's talk about it, right, because Hannah did. Hannah talked about it, and I just have to ask you, how did you feel with Hannah outing you about the details of your fantasy suite? And I know we don't know everything, but she did kind of put it out there and I'm sure before asking for your permission. So how did that make you feel? Yeah? She did. Um, I think I think it's definitely a parent that Hannah I put the windmill on the map now, but um we uh yeah, I wasn't expecting it, just because you know, obviously there's you know, it's a very intimate experience and you know, for that privacy, usually the details don't come out. But um, kind of watching it back and seeing why it came out and what caused you to do that, it made sense to me. And honestly, there's no hard feelings there. Um, I understand being in the heated, heated moment like that, things slip, you say things, and that's exactly what happened and with her, so, um, you know, it is what it is. Um. I I'm honestly, I'm very comfortable you know, with my sexuality and talking about sex like that. So I'm not I think I'm I guess the anti Luke in that regard, But um, it was. Yeah, it is what it is, and yes, the whole world knows now. But and windmills will never be the same, No one will ever windmill the same way again. Insane. Yeah, Peter, we know you're comfortable. We remember the condoms in the car and the console. You want to dress that, you want to dress that too? No, no, no, that was just that was an honest mistake. I truly forgot. I didn't had my car for like two months. I forgot all about safety first. I'm all that great, But I have to ask you, because we all, we all fell in love with your parents and just your family in general. You guys were fantastic. You had such a great bond. What did your family think about all this talk about you and the windmill and Hannah. I mean, was it a little embarrassing for them? I mean, honestly, yeah, it was. It was probably a little bit uncomfortable. You don't expect your your private life like that to just be displayed to the world and then and then possibly watching an episode with your parents or some of that stuff comes out. But they were, honestly, they were They were so great about it. Yes, it could have been very awkward, and I guess, like I said, it was a little bit uncomfortable, but um, yeah, they were cool about it. They were just you know, making making fun about it a little bit, and um, they didn't take it too seriously. So, um, my family has always been very very supportive, and uh, yeah it was. It was all good, all right, Peter, but your buddies had to be like four times, I guess, not once people, four times on all seriousness. You know, we can have a lot of fun talking about the windmill, but you did get let go after all of that talk about the windmill. So for me, how I sort of took it as a viewer watching is I was thinking, Okay, let's reverse gender roles here. Let's say it was the bachelor talking about, you know, the windmill with a girl and then letting her go home. That's hurtful to me, Like that must have really really been hurtful to you. It was. It definitely was being yeah, I guess, being completely honest. It it did mess with me a little bit just because that was such an amazing, you know night for us, and I really, yeah, it hurt. It was tough, and it took me a while to kind of process it and whatnot. But at the end of the day, you know, it's Hannah had her reasons. She followed her heart. That's what she told us she was going to do from the very beginning and forever whatever reason, you know, it wasn't me and she didn't feel it with me. Um, so you know it's that's not a reason for her to keep me just because of the one male and that one amazing night we had. But see, this is why I love you. You are so sweet. They are real feelings. And but one thing I will say is, you know, with Hannah and being I can't even imagine being in her position. Just that's got to be so much more difficult balancing multiple relationships, not just me looking at just one. Um, if if that's what she felt like she needed to do, if that's you know, she had every right to pursue her each relationship and whatever way she wanted to do, and um, yes, obviously there's true feelings there and my heart you know was broken at the end of this and and whatnot. But if that's what she felt like she needed for her relationship to make decisions or whatnot. And obviously intimacy is you know, a very important part of a relationship. That's her call and she's entitled to do that and it is what it is. Well good, since you have no regrets, do you want to be the next bachelor? Let's talk? Why not? Peter? I am all for Peter being the next Bachelor. You guys are awesome. I appreciate that. Um, yes, yeah, they're short answers. I love that. Absolutely. I've been through this experience. I know it works. I've fallen in love. I've spent you know, about two months traveling the world, going on amazing experiences and just truly getting into with someone and falling in love with them. So absolutely, I know it works. There's no reason I wouldn't want to, you know, pursue it as the bachelor and hope you know, at the end I can find my person finally and m and having an amazing time of doing it. So yes, if that's all for Can I just say I appreciate you saying that because sometimes people like beat around the bush. Oh I'm not sure I'm open to finding love again. Yeah you want to be Yeah, you know, good for you, Peter own it. Yeah, but how do you feel about Hannah now? Like, have you completely moved on? Being very honest, you guys, I was in one hundred percent over over the whole relationship. I needed to get some answers from Aaron and just some closure, and so I definitely needed that. But you know, I'm feeling I'm feeling a lot better after having that opportunity to see her and kind of closing, closing that chapter and you know, hopefully moving on to to another one and and hopefully the best is yet to come. You know. So, Peter, you really seem like your whole heart was in all of this. You know, you could see the emotion. You could see that you were very sincere, and very honest and just all in. There was never a question about your loyalty to Hannah throughout this season. When you watched the season back and you saw Jed sit there and say that he came on for the wrong reasons, what was your initial thought about that? Um, you know, he was being honest. You know, that's obviously, that's that's kind of it's a weird thing, you know. You Yes, I came on this show. This wasn't going to help my job whatsoever. I I you know, I wasn't looking for anything else besides just the opportunity. You know, it's a to meet my person and being the hopeless romantic I was, this was the craziest, the most amazing opportunity to do that. So I took it, And yes, that was my main thing going into the show and then hearing that from Jed, you know, it's teach his own. He had his reasons, but I also know Jed and Jed is a good person, and I had a lot of talk to Jed in the house. Um, and I know his feelings for Hannah were very very true and genuine, and obviously their relationship really really chucked off, and you know, I fell in love with each other, and um, you know I by that. So you know, I love Peter that you're sharing what he said to you, you know, because we just see the outside and we're like, does he really have feelings for her? Is he started playing it up? And so I love that, you know, you shared with us that he sat down with you and like told you how he was feeling about her. Yeah. No, I remember. I remember being in the mansion one of the first It was after his first date. We were on yeah, after the mystery, right, and he came back and he was like, we're just raving about it, and you could just see the glow in his face and he was just it was just mean that we're doing laundry upstairs and he's like, dude, this this girl is amazing and I hadn't really had an opportunity at to go on a date with her yet, but I knew what I had seen from a little I had interaction I'd had with her, and I was just so excited to start getting to know her. And yeah, I like I said, I know Jedge is a great dude, and his feelings were very, very true for her. I want someone that you know wants me just as badly as I want them. And I wouldn't want Hannah to have wanted me just because she found out, you know, this truth about Jed and then she was Okay, Now now I'll go to Peter. I think that's a perfect answer. You're so right. You want somebody to love you so unconditionally and intensely that it doesn't matter the outside what's going on. I don't want any other factor having anything to do with that. I just want me and that person just have such an amazing connection that that's all that matters, and that's why we both choose each other. Oh, Peter, I want that for you too. But one funny thing I will say, it's this is hilarious. No one probably knows about the wind Meal. I feel actually really bad about it, but Hannah and I. So when we were in it, before we went upstairs, there was this little chocolate strawberry set up there for us to eat some champagne. We're sitting downstairs, and then we start throwing it. I think they actually showed it at one of the ends of the episodes of me and here trying to throw it in each other's mouth and trying to catch it. But the chocolate had started the melt, and so we got really sticky in our fingers and we couldn't really throw it right. So these strawberries were going everywhere in the wind meal and getting everywhere. And so the next morning, when we're leaving, one of the producers comes to me. It's like, yo, Peter, you guys just showing that wind meal. There was some like antique rugs that were on the bottom we are sitting on, but all those strawberries and the chocolate had melted all bring destroyed all of it. He's like, they're they're okay with but just just let you guys know. I'm like, oh my god, I feel horrible. But it was it was kind of a funny little inside thing that happened there. I thought you were going somewhere else with that. When you said like chocolate, I thought you were gonna say like chocolate on the sheets, and somebody thought you guys had an accident in bed. It wasn't that. It wasn't that bad. But funny, Peter, with all the attention that you you all gave that windmill, I'm sure they made their money four or five times over. I think it's yea, they're doing. Just some couples that are, you know, wanting to respark the relationship have booked that windmill out for the next five years. As Peter would say, Mike drop, Peter, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and talking with us, and we just wish the best for you. Thanks Peter, Thank you so much. Guys, they really appreciate it. It It was great talking to you. Goodbye. All right, all right, guys, still to come. We're going to get into everything that happened on after the final rows and who a lot happened there, and we're gonna get detected. Demi. She was one of the first people that Hannah talked to when she got the news that Jed has a girlfriend. But first we got to talk about Tyler. Oh please, I will talk about Tyler all day long because I adore him. Tell me you adore Tyler. I know, you know, like Peter, wasn't your face Like Peter, I just said, he wasn't for me. I do like Tyler. I think a lot of people when they first saw Tyler, they immediately summed him up. And I feel like that that's probably what he goes through a lot. He's very good looking, he's athletic, he played sports. You immediately just think he's a jock and he's a player. I didn't put those labels on Tyler. Really, yeah, I did. I have demanded from the beginning. There was something about him that I just thought seemed very sincere. He just seems like, you know what, I'm going to be very honest in this experience, and if I feel Hannah, then I'm going to go with that. And that's what I got from him the entire time. I never doubted Tyler at all. See, I didn't even notice him at first. I just thought, oh, you're right, you're right. I mean, I hate to say this, but I thought some jock like I honestly thought like, oh, he doesn't he's emotionally not intelligent. Emotionally, yeah, not intelligent, like and oh my gosh, was I wrong. One of my followers is who pointed it out to me. She was like, oh my gosh, no, Hannah and Jet or Hannah and Tyler are going to end up together. And I was like what. And then I started looking and I was like, not only do they have this crazy connection. I think Hannah herself even said it started a little bit later. But he is so in tune with his emotions and feelings, and every single time he spoke, he blew me away. And I think what blew me away the most was his love for Hannah. Oh my gosh, he loved her. That's because he's been through some things. He's been through some life experiences and that makes you mature really fast. And so yes, although he was young, I think he's twenty five, twenty six, twenty five, he's been through some things that have made him grow up faster. But I'm still stuck on you saying you don't remember him. Do you not remember in his package when he was dancing around like a broke off foot loose. I do remember that, and I remember I think I tweeted that it was the straight to movie version. No, I do remember that, But I remember thinking, like, this guy's kind of like a joke, like not in a bad way, like kind of just being silly a joke, not like a joke John Paul Jones. Yeah, Yeah, like a John Paul Jones. That's what I thought when I saw that. And honestly, until you just said that, I didn't even know that that was Tyler. I thought that was like even somebody else. It's just my pinion of him and my percepject of him changed so much, and I'm so glad I did. Honestly, it taught me a lesson the way that Tyler affected us, and he made a big impression on us, and were rooting for Tyler and he was definitely a front runner. He obviously affected Hannah's parents the exact same way. And so I'm very curious with you how I know how my hometowns went when when the guys had to meet my family, But when it was your hometown were the guys Were your parents leaning more to one guy than the other, were you against their decision? Well, my tip two one was the guy from Massachusetts, Cape Cod, Chris Lampton, who I'm from Massachusetts, So my family obvious loved him and they had just talked about New England sports. It all all was well, but they knew the second they saw the guy ended up with Roberto that they could tell just seeing me who I was into. Yeah, I really related to Hannah's experience with the parents liking one person like Hannah's parents like Tyler, and they really were harder on Jed, Like it's no secret when Brian came home to meet my family, my family was very hard on him, and they were much more receptive to Peter. And for me, you know, I didn't have the struggle that Hannah had, but I totally understand it. Maybe at twenty four I would have, but at the time I was thirty two and I was just like, I know him way better than you do, and you're only knowing maybe what you're reading or maybe you know just a first impression isn't good. But I totally understood what Hannah was going through. It was actually my dad who liked Brian, who you never saw on camera. That was like the big mystery. My dad met all the guys off camera. My dad really liked Brian, and he was the one with Peter who was like, something's not right. The ends don't match up. That's what That's what he kept saying to me. He was like, something's off, something's not right, and I was like, actually, that's what's something that I've been feeling. But blah blah blah whatever. I totally understand your parents, your parents having a huge influence when it comes to the decision that you're making when you're at that point, because you get this, you're in this bubble and then all of a sudden you get to meet people who are outside of it, and you're like, Okay, they're gonna keep it real. They're gonna tell me the truth. They're not inside of this. I am so like itching to hear what they have to say. And so Hannah was sitting there like, Okay, they're gonna like She knew that they weren't gonna like yet. And that's my beef with Hannah. Though she she didn't do Jet any favors, she set it up for them not to like him. I mean, let's talk about that a little bit of all with Jed, because we have to talk about Jed because obviously what happened last night. I always thought it was Jed from the get go, even when the spoilers out there said it wasn't it said it was Tyler, like from the very first episode. Really yeah, go to my blog right from the beginning, I think my very first blog, if not second, maybe my first one, I said, Nope, it's going to be Jed. In the end, she just this. It was just the way she looked at him, the way she's like so giddy around him, looked at him. I gotta go back and read exactly what I said, because I know there were certain things I picked up on. And then she has even said throughout the process, she has said, you know, from the very get go, you know, I you know Jed has I've cared about Jed. Jed has been a front runner. I don't know if she was those exact words, but in every time she said that, like, I knew it wasn't going to be Tyler as soon as basically at the beginning of last night's episode, because she kept saying how slow they were to progress and how it was Jet from the beginning. And I think you do really know. I can't remember to Brian get your first impression, Rose, Yes, yeah, I mean, you know, at least if your top two, top three, there the first night, I dare to say, did you not? I didn't know who my top people were. I definitely knew Brian was because I gave him a first Impression Rose, but I didn't have like my top four people filled out, like I was kind of guessing, But I really didn't know until the first week. It ended up who I gave the first date two and then first Impression were top two. But at the time I really didn't know that. But I just I really thought it was Tyler until the very last date. And I truly believe for Jed it was a fairy tale. You know. He sings and you guys can't see me, but I'm using air quotes. He plays the guitar, he writes songs. He wrote a song for her. They recorded a song together. He came to her balcony in the middle of the night and he played music for her, which was a very generic song. It could have been about anybody. Let's just say that. But then he you know, and then in the proposal he writes a song for her. Oh I can sing it better than I can. Then I can tell you, you know, so I'm going to sing you a song. I just think it was very romantic and Tyler was just easy. He was too good to be true. Well, in the end, Jed won. And I'm also using air quotes. Um he used that term, or like he went around telling his friends he won. I didn't volve him for that. Actually, that's a very common thing people say. People say that. Brian said that too sometimes, like it comes along with journey and you remind me of home and you're my person and all these other terms that people would just like what you know, I want. It doesn't mean that you're thinking of this person as a prize. I guess it didn't. He said it. It looks bad now, Yeah, it looks bad now, but I guess it. It is how he said it was he like, oh yeah I won like whatever with his boys, or it was like, oh my gosh, yeah I won. I'm with Hannah. Now it's great. You know there's but I got Hannah. I don't like it either, But that wasn't like a dealbreaker for me. All right, So let's talk about when Jed and Hannah sat down and talked about the girlfriend. Yeah, I mean his excuse, Oh, I just yeah, her family had bought us this vacation and we went and had this vacation together, and yeah, I told her I loved her, but I mean it was so bad. You had days to prepare what you were going to say, and this is a woman that you love. I think I wanted more from him. And maybe he's just a laid back and chill guy, but at this point, you are fighting for your relationship and it's not just boyfriend and girlfriend. This is your fiance. This is somebody For months you've been planning how you're going to spend the rest of your life in your future together. And I just didn't feel like he was fighting enough for her and for what they had. A hundred I could not agree with you more, Rachel. It's like there was nothing there. And I know he doesn't have this huge personality. I mean he has no offence to him, but he's been a bit of a dud until that guitar comes out. Honestly, Yeah, he just doesn't know how to express himself, right, But you're right, this is the woman you love that you were engaged too, and you messed up. Like I can forgive him honestly for all that it's messed up what he did, don't get me wrong, But if he was on his knees in tears. I love you. I yes, I was with this other girl. I did tell her I loved her. I didn't know what love was until I met you. I am so sorry, like and just to see any emotion come out of him, it just sounded like he was making excuses for himself. One to try to say, faced, were you okay with what he did? Like if you were in that situation, because that's what I kept thinking, like that easily could have happened us because we're both former bachelrettes. If you had been Hannah and you had been sitting there and that is the person that walked in and that is what he said to you, would you have taken him back? Yeah? If I felt it was love. Like I'm really excited because we're gonna find out exactly what Hannah was feeling when she first found out the news. And that is because one of Hannah's best friends who was actually with well, actually not with her, she was the first person she talked to when the news broke is here. That's right, Demi is here with us right now, and we cannot wait to hear what she has to say. Oh my gosh, I mean welcome, Welcome to Happy Auray, and you were so excited to have you on the podcast. First of all, I've been waiting to meet you for a very long time, same I have. I didn't see each other. No, we're both from Dallas, so we've never met. I've been dreaming of meeting Rachel. Listen my favorite yay. I love it. I love Rachel so much. I'm very excited to be here with you. Well, we are so happy you are here because there's so much to talk about. Okay, first, before we get into everything that happened with Jed, let's talk about the three guys right from at the end of the season. What were your thoughts of them, I mean, being Hannah's best friend, where you were like, did you know when you met all the guys, like those are gonna be her top three? Tyler the second that I saw him announced for the cast, I was like, he is so hot, and I was like, he is He's going to kill it this season. And I told her at one point, I was like, save him for me, and obviously she didn't. And then she told me a lot about like, you know, all of the guys that were in her final three and how much. She liked all of them, and it was really hard for her to make a decision. Yeah, so I'd actually like to take it back from the beginning, because I'll be honest like I always am. I've never liked Jed from the moment that he told her that he was there initially for his music career. That was always a huge red flag for me. And so you're a very outspoken person. So from the beginning when he said that to her, and he dropped that bomb on her, what was your impression of Jet? You know, I would have taken what he said and I would have valued it more if he wouldn't have sang a song every week in the beginning. It was just constantly about his music. And that's kind of where I was down with Jet at that point. I'm with you on that, Like, I didn't actually mind that he told her. I liked that he told her. I thought it was a genuine because but Rachel, did you I guess let me ask both of you, when you went on the show as a contestant, not Rachel as the bachelorette, did you go on to find love? My answer is no, I went on to have a good time. I went on to drink, like go to La sit by a pool. And then when I was started having feelings for the Bachelor, I was like, oh my gosh, this can work. What bothers me with Jed is that you have to look at the underlying theme of his reasoning for coming on the show. He is seeful he came on the show to deceive her period point blank period. There hadn't been that much time that had passed. When he talks about his love of music and all of a sudden, it's been seven or eight days and now you're feeling hand all of a sudden. I have a problem with that when I think of his motive for coming on the show. How far was he willing to take that? What if he didn't turn his feelings around and start liking her a certain way? That is what I have such a deep rooted issue with. And the fact that his family was asking or talking about his music career and like asking, how's it going to work with his music career? It all seems to be revolving around the career that he wanted to get out of. This. Yeah, and I agree before the show, but then I think he came on the show and was like, oh my gosh, I'm falling for this girl. Like I do think his feelings are real. Okay, but then don't you think at that point and this is my other thing. Okay, it's out there now, right, you've put it out there. You came on here for music, Now you're about her. I want to never see the guitar again. Right, don't play another song, don't show us you're a songwriter. Don't play a song. In the finale, I think his quote was, um, you know, I'm not good with my words. So here's that's all he is. Oh, that's just such a big part of who he is. I think he could use a little help in the personality department. I wasn't good. Just had a like one instance where he made a big like notion with her, like something really exciting and fun. That wasn't about his music. Every time it was a song time. Every time it's about his music, even like you know, in the beginning he was doing his music a lot. Then he takes her to hometowns. He does more music hometowns, that's what he does. He's showing her in his world. Like, but after they wrote a song together and obviously hand is not a song on iTunes. I think he should. I think that if we hadn't heard him singing until he got to hometowns, it would have been a little bit different. But it dates. He was singing out of her on her balcony, and I mean, let's just call a spade a spade. He's not that good. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna say it. He's really not that good. Maybe maybe if he was out here seeing like somebody else and sweeping me off my feet, that would think something different. But it wasn't that good, and I got tired of it. Yeah, I mean, I look, I gave him the benefit of the doubt the entire season, but I definitely say, yeah, I need to drink up that one. Definitely at the end. I mean, my feelings for him completely changed. Especially let's talk about the girlfriend thing, the conversation they had, yes, because when that news broke. You know, I'm always writing about the show because I write it on my blog. When that news broke, I was like, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt because it's a one sided story. I want to hear his side before I make a decision. We kind of heard, we did hear his side on the show What So tell Us Debbie. When when Hannah first found out and she had that first phone call called you, what was she thinking? What was on her mind? It was really essentially it was about the fact that he had ruined her experience for her because she was one of the most serious contestants on The Bachelor. She was very serious about getting married. She became the bachelorette, and I knew that she would be perfect for it because she actually wants to be married. She believes in this and she's ready for it. And so she just felt like her experience got ruined. And you know, a lot of it too, was like she thought Tyler was going to be a huge player because he's so hot and that's kind of what we all expect from him. And then she finds out that she was with the biggest player of them all, someone who had a girlfriend. That must have been so hard for her, Like how was she handling it? Was she in tears? Was she angry? I mean all the emotions, Like, of course she's angry. Of course she's sad, she feels let down. You know, I don't want to speak for her, but I know she's going through a lot of emotions about all of it. I just feel bad because I knew that she was the one person who deserved, like out of our season, she truly deserved to have the best results from being the bachelorette because she was actually there for the right reasons. I was there to have fun, she was there to find her husband. Well, when she found out, did she believe it? Initially she found out the day the People article was released. Did she believe that article or was she like, okay, you know, like I'm in the public eye. Here come the people out of the woodworks from the past trying to have their moment. No, she believed it. Why she believed it because of all of the evidence that came with it, and so she felt very deceived. She felt like, you know, he told me some of it, but he didn't tell me the extent of it. And he didn't tell me about the other girl. He told me about the one girl that he had been with another one wasn't there there. Apparently he had this relationship with this one girl, maybe not official relationship, I don't even know what, and then he was like cheating on her with another girl. God, so like that, it just kept being more and more and more. Here's my question. I asked you if Hannah believed the People article when it came out at that point, had she made a decision on the future of their relationship, like right whenever she saw the article. I think that, you know, the thing about Hannah is that she got so empowered with a like on the Bachelor. Like she started off very very you know, shy and kind of quiet and unsure about herself, and she found herself on the Bachelor, and she became this amazing strong woman. She became the bachelorette. That fueled her fire. She became so much stronger, like a rock star. She knew what she wanted, she wasn't afraid to confront people about what she wanted, and she wasn't going to put up with any shit. So whenever she read that People article and she had all of this evidence laid out in front of her about what had happened at that point, she said, like, you know, I imagine she would think, I could give in and try to make this work, or I could say true to who I found out that I am, and I can be a rock star and I can feel good about myself knowing that I'm walking away from something that is false, like there's already lies here. I'm not going to tolerate that, you know, like there's dishonesty, Like this isn't what I want, and I'm not going to settle for it, even if I you know, I want to have that romantic ending and I want to have that happy ending, I'm not going to settle for that. And I'm going to continue to be this new strong woman that I am and fully embrace that. Dami, thank you so much for joining us on our show. We are so happy to have you. Of course, I loved being hare y'all are amazing. All right, Rachel, now we got to get to the heavy stuff. What did you think about Jed tonight? I thought that Jed did the best that he could do, right, which really wasn't much. All he could do at this point was apologize. I mean, that's the only card he had to play, and he apologized to everybody, Apologize to Hannah, her family, batch or nation, his family. I mean you really kind of feel sorry for him. I mean, granted, this is his fault, this is his own doing. He's digging his own grave, but I mean he did the best that he could do, apologize and move on. Surely he didn't think he was going to get Hannah back. Yeah, And I honestly, I mean he did the best he could do, because I mean, Jed has not had much emotion or personality. I mean, I feel mean saying that. The entire season, he's shown almost no no, I can't, I can't. I just it's okay. I like to think, I don't know, it's weird. When do you become a parent, Rachel, when you and Brian start cranking up those babies, You're gonna understand. But I just feel like we saw nothing from him. There wasn't a single tear. He kept saying, yes, I'm still in love with you, but she's basically saying it's over, I'm done. And nothing not a tear, not like a quiver of the lip, like nothing. I just don't buy that. Like, I feel like he did what he needed to do. But I think at this point, like Jed doesn't love her. In my opinion, I don't think that he does anymore. I think he's so probably deep down, very angry that he got caught. I believe that. Yeah, So I think it was a little bit of a show. To be honest, he put it on a little show, but he did say what he needed to say, and I appreciate that he just took complete ownership, like you said, and apologized to the families, because that's a huge part of this. But one thing you know that I have to say is Hannah was incredible tonight. I Mean we've talked about this, Rachel, the progression of Hannah throughout the season, and I have never seen her so poised and articulate and just the grace that she showed Jed. Like one of the things that I told you really upset me about her and in general, like I've talked about publicly and been critical about her about the season, is that I felt like a lot of times she made the show about her. I mean, the show is her season, but she didn't she made the relationships about her rather than making about her and the men, or her and the man she was with. Whereas tonight we saw her have so much grace for Jed. She kept saying, I feel for you, I don't want you to hurt. Like that's a completely different side of Hannah, and we have seen her turn into like this incredible woman, which I was just so happy to see. Yeah. I really like the way that she said she was hurting, but she knows that he's hurting too. Yeah, and she has her own critics, as does he. But I like this. She was very matter of fact and you could tell that she's cried her last cry and she has moved on. She has grown, and like she said, she has learned from this experience that although it didn't work out the way that she wanted to, she's learned something about herself and she is way more aware. And I think we could all turn back and look at that one relationship where maybe we were going through it blindly, but when it ended, it was as if the lights came on and we learned so much about ourselves and we knew what we wanted out of the next relationship. And Hannah's going to be so much better for the next man because of the heartache that she went through with Jed. Yeah, it was so hard to watch, like when he first came out, just seeing her fighting back the tears. Like there are a lot of moments in the Bachelor world I will say seem forced to me, Like, for instance, wherever whatever somebody on the show like says, I love you, for the first time. I'm always like, oh, like it just doesn't seem genuine. It's like they feel like they have to say it. It's all weird and awkward. But man, what we saw from her and like, not not him, but her was just real, raw, genuine emotion. Can we give a shout out to the ruthless audience at Afar? I mean the three claps that Jet, that Jet God when he walked out on stage, it was I mean I laughed out loud. I mean, nobody was clapping for Jet. Everybody was supporting Hannah. On Hannah's side, just they were savage. They were completely savage when it came to Jet. Yeah, total part. But what else are they going to do? You know? I mean, I guess you could have given him like a little bit of an applause, but like people are upset with him. But another thing, speaking of clapping, when some people started to clap when she was kind of putting him in his place, I guess a little bit. I don't know, that's not really the right way I want to say it, but I love that she said, no, don't clap, this is sad, and I just again show so much maturity on her side, and I've been waiting to see that from her all season and I'm just so proud of her. I feel like a proud bachelor at Mama, Like yeah, man, right, And that was the moment where it's also like it's not just pure entertainment. Feelings are involved. People are hurt, emotions are running high, people were clapping because it was entertaining, and she shut them down like this is my life and that is what people won't remember. And I truly hope that, you know, for her tomorrow when she's doing these media rounds, it's going to be tough and people are going to come at her so many different ways and aren't going to have the same grace since that seems to be a theme in this finale that Chris Harrison had for her and questioning her. So I really hope that she is able to, you know, empower herself and use that strength that she's found through this season as she's going into these interviews because she's doing it alone and that's tough. Yeah, well she sho's just come on our podcast and we will show her that grace and have a lot of fun. Rachel, Oh my gosh, the season is over. But the podcast has just be gone. Bachelor in Paradise. I cannot wait. And we have more incredible guests. Yes, we have so many exciting guests coming in Paradise and we're going to kick it off on a high note. We've got Demmy coming back to talk about Paradise and her groundbreaking, you know, experience in Paradise. I cannot wait to hear everything that she's going to say when it comes to that. Then we've also got Kaylin coming up. Kaylin was involved in quite a bit of drama in Paradise and I can't wait to get her take on it. Quite a bit, a boatload of drama so I can be nice. Yes, oh my gosh, Bachelor Paradise is going be so good. Guys, So make sure that you come right back here next week to hear our next podcast. We're so happy you're here, and cheers, cheers Rachel to you, Cheers to Bachelor Nation, and cheers to Hannah. And don't forget to check out Bachelor nation dot com, where you can find the latest news and all things Bachelor. All right, you guys, so raise your glass because Bachelor Happy Hour is out now. You can find it on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.