Cinderella's "Long Cold Winter" (1988): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. Guys, I hope you enjoyed our last episode.
<v Speaker 1>We are here today with a special guest, the real
<v Speaker 1>KD himself, Kevin Davis. How's it going, Kevin, I'm da
<v Speaker 1>thank y'all for having me.
<v Speaker 2>Hy as Charlie Fans.
<v Speaker 1>So, Kevin is a friend of mine. We had his
<v Speaker 1>grandson whose name is Haylen. Yes that's right after Van Halen. Yes.
<v Speaker 3>Nice.
<v Speaker 1>He was wrestling at the same place that my kids
<v Speaker 1>were taking wrestling lessons at and Kevin saw me at
<v Speaker 1>a restaurant and was like, hey, you get kids your
<v Speaker 1>wrestle and friendship was born at that moment because we
<v Speaker 1>both started talking about rock songs and now we're here
<v Speaker 1>getting to talk about it on our podcast.
<v Speaker 3>It's all right. Kevin's been a long time listener and
<v Speaker 3>a contributor or Patreon to our podcast, to our efforts here.
<v Speaker 3>If you want to be like Kevin, just go to
<v Speaker 3>patreon dot com slash Shirly Podcast money We'll spend awesome.
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we are here today to talk about an
<v Speaker 1>album of nineteen eighty eight because we're doing our Summer
<v Speaker 1>of eighty eight.
<v Speaker 3>Before you do that, Before you do that, I just
<v Speaker 3>want to do a quick recap. We've spent some time
<v Speaker 3>in the summer of nineteen eighty eight and we are
<v Speaker 3>about to come to its conclusion here. This summer, we've
<v Speaker 3>covered the movie Big Yep. We've covered Living Colors Vivid
<v Speaker 3>Album Yep. We've covered Poisons, Open Up and Say Oh
<v Speaker 3>I'm both released on the same day, May third, nineteen
<v Speaker 3>eighty eight. We've covered the Great Outdoors. We re released
<v Speaker 3>the Dirty Dancing soundtrack, George Michael's Faith album in excessus
<v Speaker 3>Kick album. We've got Long Cold Winter for you today.
<v Speaker 3>We've got ou eight one to two by Van Halen
<v Speaker 3>coming up next week. We've already done die Hard and
<v Speaker 3>coming to America.
<v Speaker 1>Don't forget Twins.
<v Speaker 3>Twins was December of night.
<v Speaker 1>Yagadaec and we've also covered Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
<v Speaker 3>You have to find that on the docum Base seventy
<v Speaker 3>seven podcast. That's definitely heart of summer of eighty eight.
<v Speaker 3>So we've got a pretty good Summer of eighty eight
<v Speaker 3>thing going. And on our Worst Sequels of the eighties,
<v Speaker 3>we will discuss a movie from the summer of eighty eight,
<v Speaker 3>I promise.
<v Speaker 1>So we get the worst sequels of the eighties coming
<v Speaker 1>up pretty soon. Yes, So that episode was inspired by
<v Speaker 1>an episode we did with the pop Culture Yearbook, which
<v Speaker 1>we covered the best sequels of the eighties and nineties. Right,
<v Speaker 1>so go check that one out as well.
<v Speaker 3>That was fun.
<v Speaker 1>That's fun episode. It was like a draft.
<v Speaker 3>It was football draft.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a different format. Well, I liked it.
<v Speaker 3>Brad Pete and Giff Good Buddy's over at the pop
<v Speaker 3>Culture Yearbook.
<v Speaker 1>Is Gift named out? No, he was my age, so
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't have been named after like the Kathy Lee Gifford. No,
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, wasn't Gift the name of Biff's character
<v Speaker 1>in like part in Back to the Future Part two?
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Griff, Griff?
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah Griff.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, cool. So we'll take a wish and a
<v Speaker 3>prayer across our fingers because we always get by long
<v Speaker 3>cold winner by Cinderella.
<v Speaker 1>Right. So, I was saying, I'm not taking you back
<v Speaker 1>to eighty eight. I'm gonna take you back to eighty six.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna take you back to nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 1>I'll take you back to eighteen eighty six. I know
<v Speaker 1>you love it what I do, which is when Lena
<v Speaker 1>Blackburn was born. Lena was a professional baseball player, a manager,
<v Speaker 1>and an inventor. And let me ask you this, is
<v Speaker 1>there ever a situation where you want your balls to
<v Speaker 1>be rough instead of being smooth? I can't think of you.
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going into a manscape pad.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not.
<v Speaker 1>The answer to the question is you want them to
<v Speaker 1>be rough whenever you are a baseball pitcher, because if
<v Speaker 1>they're too smooth, it's too hard. Well, Lena Blackburn is
<v Speaker 1>the guy who invented the mud that they could use
<v Speaker 1>to rough up baseballs so that they were rough instead
<v Speaker 1>of smooth. He did that in nineteen thirty eight when
<v Speaker 1>he was a third base coach and one of the
<v Speaker 1>umpires was complaining when they would rub him in the
<v Speaker 1>dirt on the field that made them all dirty and ugly,
<v Speaker 1>And so he found the perfect grain of dirt in
<v Speaker 1>some New Jersey river.
<v Speaker 3>It's this hidden. It's like a secret in baseball. They
<v Speaker 3>really knows where this is.
<v Speaker 1>It has been passed down from generation and relatives and friends,
<v Speaker 1>and the guy still has it a secret. You know,
<v Speaker 1>I go and I find this stuff, and if people
<v Speaker 1>ask me about it, I'm like, oh, this is just
<v Speaker 1>from my garden. You know, he will not tell and
<v Speaker 1>he has to get about one thousand pounds a year
<v Speaker 1>of it, So it's not that big of a deal.
<v Speaker 1>But there's literally a Major League rule that says the
<v Speaker 1>ball has to be properly rubbed so that the gloss
<v Speaker 1>is removed. Andlena Blackburn is the guy who did this
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty eight. Now why am I telling you
<v Speaker 1>about that?
<v Speaker 3>Why are you telling us much?
<v Speaker 1>Well, because Lena Blackburn was from Clifton Heights, Philadelphia, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>which is where fifty years later, two guys who were
<v Speaker 1>also from Clifton Heights recorded an album called Long Cold Winter,
<v Speaker 1>and those two guys were Tom Keefer and Eric Brittingham.
<v Speaker 3>Nice.
<v Speaker 1>So those two guys being from the same place, same
<v Speaker 1>place in Philadelphia's seb over Philadelphia, and they get together.
<v Speaker 1>They'd been in bands before. Tom was in a band
<v Speaker 1>where he would do cover songs. But he thought, you
<v Speaker 1>know what, Stones they do their own songs. Zeppelin, they
<v Speaker 1>do their own songs. I want to get together with
<v Speaker 1>some guys and we're going to do our own music.
<v Speaker 1>And so that's what he did.
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what His cover band was called, tell
<v Speaker 3>Me Saints in Hell.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought that was kind of a clear name, creative.
<v Speaker 3>It's Saints in Hell.
<v Speaker 1>It's very bad medicine or love a bad name, all
<v Speaker 1>those juxtaposed ideas.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's the Desmond child. Opposites go together.
<v Speaker 1>There you go.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now, Unfortunately, he got kind of addicted to drugs and
<v Speaker 1>alcohol when he was in high school and he almost
<v Speaker 1>dropped out. Yes, but his mom made a deal with him,
<v Speaker 1>if you get through high school, I will buy you
<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle of guitars, a Gibson less Paul, which brings
<v Speaker 1>me to our guest today, mister Kevin Davis, who has
<v Speaker 1>created for me a less Paul like guitar. I gave
<v Speaker 1>him one of my less Paul like guitars and I said, hey,
<v Speaker 1>can you make this good? And he went, yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>could do that. And then after a few weeks he
<v Speaker 1>was like, that guitar is so crappy. It's just no way.
<v Speaker 1>And then finally, after several weeks of frustration, he was like,
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I've I've figured out how to make
<v Speaker 1>it good. And I said, okay, good, and he goes
<v Speaker 1>I'm buying you a new one. And so he bought
<v Speaker 1>me a new one. And then after working on the
<v Speaker 1>new one, it's like everything relaxed, and he fixed the
<v Speaker 1>old one too. So my good friend made me two
<v Speaker 1>guitars that are incredibly beautiful. If you guys have a
<v Speaker 1>desire for a custom made beautiful whether less Paul style
<v Speaker 1>or something else, hit us up at Shirleypodcast at gmail
<v Speaker 1>dot com and I'll put you in touch with Kevin Davis,
<v Speaker 1>who could make you some beautiful Thank you.
<v Speaker 3>Don't give you too much credit though, turns out Kevin
<v Speaker 3>Ken paulish a turn exactly.
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right.
<v Speaker 3>Well, wait a minute now, I want to I want
<v Speaker 3>to stop you for just a second, because I'm not
<v Speaker 3>a guitar guy. Tell me about the Gibson less Paul
<v Speaker 3>because I know nothing. What does that mean?
<v Speaker 1>Like?
<v Speaker 3>Why is that important?
<v Speaker 1>Les Paul is kind of the guy who created the
<v Speaker 1>standard for electric guitars.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so is this a one hundred dollars guitar? Is
<v Speaker 3>this one thousand dollars guitar?
<v Speaker 1>Probably at least a five thousand dollars guitar new Okay, Okay.
<v Speaker 4>The body style, the just the electronics and would they
<v Speaker 4>use And the shape of it just has a very
<v Speaker 4>unique tone to it that you cannot replicate with you know.
<v Speaker 1>A Fender.
<v Speaker 4>A Fender stratocaster is very very similar in a way
<v Speaker 4>that the body, its body style in body shape and
<v Speaker 4>electronics give it a unique style. But for rock musicians,
<v Speaker 4>a lot of rock musicians prefer the less Paul. It
<v Speaker 4>is the as de said, is the cream of the
<v Speaker 4>crop for rock guitarist.
<v Speaker 1>So after high school he's got his less Paul guitar.
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to make it as a musician, but that's
<v Speaker 1>a difficult task. He has side jobs of walking horses
<v Speaker 1>at racetracks and delivering film to developing outlets nice hey,
<v Speaker 1>whatever it takes, right right, But eventually he and Eric
<v Speaker 1>Brittingham get together. They get together with a couple of
<v Speaker 1>guys named Michael Shermick and Tony Destra and they formed
<v Speaker 1>the band Cinderella.
<v Speaker 3>Now, before you go any further, in nineteen eighty three,
<v Speaker 3>Cinderella was discovered by a established rock star. Yeah, now,
<v Speaker 3>nothing happened from this, but still, Gene Simmons of Kiss
<v Speaker 3>was the first guy who said, you guys got to
<v Speaker 3>be on a label. Somewhow Wait, you guys got to
<v Speaker 3>be making albums. Let's get this going.
<v Speaker 1>This is not the first time we've heard this story. Interestingly,
<v Speaker 1>we've heard this story before with Van Halen, who we
<v Speaker 1>are comparing to Cinderella for this particular matchup. That's right,
<v Speaker 1>how about that new version of van Halen, not the
<v Speaker 1>old version of van Halen, but still Gene Simmons tried
<v Speaker 1>with both bands to make something happen and couldn't convince
<v Speaker 1>the A and R guys.
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to change them their name to Daddy Longlegs.
<v Speaker 1>That was van Halen.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So ultimately, though, another rock musician heard them playing at
<v Speaker 1>the Empire Rock Club, and that is mister John bon Jovie,
<v Speaker 1>who will come up here in a little while, I.
<v Speaker 3>Think, yeah for sure.
<v Speaker 1>And he said, I saw Tommy Keefer on stage delivering
<v Speaker 1>some pretty nifty, growling vocals, and then he whipped out
<v Speaker 1>this less Paul and proceeded to lay into some astounding sounds.
<v Speaker 1>The guy struck me as a star right then and there.
<v Speaker 1>So he talks to his A and R man, Derek Shulman,
<v Speaker 1>who's a fantastic guitarist himself, and Shulman's like, ah, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know that they're ready to be signed yet. Let's
<v Speaker 1>do like a six month development deal with them. But
<v Speaker 1>they negotiated and ended up signing with PolyGram Records.
<v Speaker 3>So you know, bon Jovi, Jamo Jovi, and Richie Sambora
<v Speaker 3>end up in the video for Somebody Save Me, and
<v Speaker 3>so they kind of repay the favor. They're kind of
<v Speaker 3>endorsing Cinderella, and they actually toured with bon Jovi on
<v Speaker 3>the Slippery When Wet tour in nineteen eighty six. Hang on,
<v Speaker 3>before we go any further, we have to talk about
<v Speaker 3>Pat's Chili Dogs. Okay, this is gonna blow your socks off. Okay, ready,
<v Speaker 3>all right, have you seen their first music video for
<v Speaker 3>Pat's Chili Dogs? No, okay, before I show this commercial
<v Speaker 3>to you, guys. So here's the story with this. So
<v Speaker 3>there's a local business owner who had a chili dog store,
<v Speaker 3>who is a fan and rock music, and it came
<v Speaker 3>and in one night he saw Cinderella perform and he's like, Hey,
<v Speaker 3>guess what, guys, I've got a chili dog stand and
<v Speaker 3>I want you guys to make the commercial for me.
<v Speaker 3>And he goes, here's the deal. I am a local
<v Speaker 3>MTV advertiser, so it only shows here in the Philadelphia area,
<v Speaker 3>but it will be shown on the channel that shows
<v Speaker 3>music television. And so Tom Keefer is like, well, it's
<v Speaker 3>not MTV, but it's pretty darn close. So let's do it.
<v Speaker 3>Pat's Chili Dogs check it out.
<v Speaker 1>How about out that open twenty four hours when you're hungry,
<v Speaker 1>We're ready.
<v Speaker 3>Tom keepers said that they were opened late and so
<v Speaker 3>they got free food anytime they wanted, so after the
<v Speaker 3>gigs they would always swing by Pat's Dogs and grab
<v Speaker 3>chili dogs. I mean the life of a rock star, right,
<v Speaker 3>free chili dogs.
<v Speaker 1>So we got to put this in. We gotta find
<v Speaker 1>find our category to put this in because we've obviously
<v Speaker 1>got Brian Johnson doing the Hoover vacuum commercial. Yeah, We've
<v Speaker 1>got David Coverdale doing what was it Seltzer water commercials,
<v Speaker 1>that's right, and now we've got Cinderella doing chili dog commercials.
<v Speaker 1>Come on, it makes me want to have chila dog
<v Speaker 1>eat and drink and clean up afterwards. That's great, man,
<v Speaker 1>that's great.
<v Speaker 5>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So, as I mentioned initially, the lineup included Michael Shermick
<v Speaker 1>and Tony Destra. But in eighty five, just before they
<v Speaker 1>sign they left the band.
<v Speaker 3>Sad they quote unquote left the band. Yeah, okay, So
<v Speaker 3>here's the story. Derek Shulman, who was the talent guy
<v Speaker 3>from PolyGram, John bo Jovi's talent guy, he came at
<v Speaker 3>bon Jovi's request, watched him and he said, Okay, the
<v Speaker 3>singer star, the guy with blonde hair really good. The
<v Speaker 3>other two guys suck, right, Yeah, And so he went
<v Speaker 3>to Tom Keefer and he's like, listen, you got to
<v Speaker 3>get rid of these two guys. And so Tom Keefer said,
<v Speaker 3>I saw him interviewed about this. He said, if I
<v Speaker 3>didn't agree with what he said, I would have fought
<v Speaker 3>for them. But I agreed with him. They weren't up
<v Speaker 3>to par musically. So he had that hard conversation, said guys,
<v Speaker 3>you got to go. So he kicked him out. But
<v Speaker 3>he also said, to their credit, they went and established
<v Speaker 3>themselves in another band, and that band is Britney Fox.
<v Speaker 3>He freaking Fox.
<v Speaker 1>Tell me your favorite Britney Fox song easily long Way
<v Speaker 1>to Long Way to Love Summer of eighty eight.
<v Speaker 3>And then, I mean everybody pretty much knows Girls School
<v Speaker 3>that's probably the most famous one, but for me, it's
<v Speaker 3>a long way to love. But I had that album.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they were created as a colone of Cinderella,
<v Speaker 3>and you know what, it's dead on. It never occurred
<v Speaker 3>to me, but they are a poor man's Cinderella.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. I do recall that they did example Tom Keeper
<v Speaker 4>a lot.
<v Speaker 1>So they end up replacing them. Guitarist becomes Jeff Lebar
<v Speaker 1>and drummer becomes Jeff Dernick. Okay, and they record their
<v Speaker 1>debut album Night Songs.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, so you skip something that's really major.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta tell you, I'm waiting to drop this bomb
<v Speaker 3>on you. Okay. So I told you guys that there's
<v Speaker 3>two major bands that were influenced by the formation of Cinderella.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So Tom Keefer fires two guys. They go on, they
<v Speaker 3>create Brittany Fox. So that created a vacancy for a
<v Speaker 3>drummer and a guitarist. So Tom Keeper's looking for guitarists.
<v Speaker 3>He's also friends with John bon Jovi. John by Jovi's
<v Speaker 3>not gonna givehim Richie sam Moora. But he does have
<v Speaker 3>a friend who's a guitarist from the old neighborhood. Oh
<v Speaker 3>no way, do you remember his name.
<v Speaker 1>So is this Dave Sable of skid Row.
<v Speaker 3>Dave Snake Sabo of skid Row was almost the guitarist
<v Speaker 3>in Cinderell. Uh huh Okay, So here's the story. So
<v Speaker 3>obviously bon Jovi's stepping in giving him a help, helping hand,
<v Speaker 3>so they feel loyalty to John Well. John's friend is
<v Speaker 3>Dave Snake Sabo, right, and they're like, Okay, we need
<v Speaker 3>to look hard at this guy because he's friends with
<v Speaker 3>John and you know he can play, and he's a
<v Speaker 3>good singer, songwriter, whatever. And so it comes down to
<v Speaker 3>him and Jeff Lebar and so they auditioned both guys
<v Speaker 3>and here's the thing that that was the clincher. Snake
<v Speaker 3>Sabo would not leave them alone. He called him like
<v Speaker 3>every day like am I in, am I in, am
<v Speaker 3>I in, am I in I mean, And they're finally like,
<v Speaker 3>this guy's gonna wear us out. So they're like, we
<v Speaker 3>can't have this guy. He's gonna drive us crazy. So
<v Speaker 3>that is what caused them to say, Jeff Lebar, you're
<v Speaker 3>in Sorry Snake Sabo, see you later, which he said
<v Speaker 3>was the best thing in the world because at that
<v Speaker 3>moment he's like, I was so desperate to get into
<v Speaker 3>an established band. He's like, I realized I just need
<v Speaker 3>to go start my own band, and that freaking gives
<v Speaker 3>us skid row.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a good story, dude, very nice. So they
<v Speaker 1>do Night Songs. They roll through a few different guitarists
<v Speaker 1>and drummers. One of the guys, Fred Curry, joins the band,
<v Speaker 1>was in all of the music videos and the tours,
<v Speaker 1>and then totally misses out on everything else.
<v Speaker 3>He's not on the album. That blows my mind, Like,
<v Speaker 3>how do you get in a band and you're never
<v Speaker 3>participating in the album. You know who was on the
<v Speaker 3>album though, Denny Carmassi, who is the guy from Heart
<v Speaker 3>and Cozy Powell, which we talked about in our White
<v Speaker 3>Snake episode.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Cozy is one of Jeff Buckley's favorites.
<v Speaker 3>So is Denny Kramasi. Yeah, Jase Buckley, there you go, buddy, drummers,
<v Speaker 3>we're learning right.
<v Speaker 4>Has been with many established bands throughout the years. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>Bet Group, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, White Snakes.
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Wow, Yeah, I mean he's a star drummer, right,
<v Speaker 3>He's a star drummer exactly.
<v Speaker 1>So they end up touring to support Night Songs. They
<v Speaker 1>tour with Poison and they're opening up for a Japanese
<v Speaker 1>heavy metal band. Did you guys know this?
<v Speaker 5>What?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 1>They opened for them, and Poison open for a Japanese
<v Speaker 1>heavy metal band called Loudness. They continue touring through eighty seven.
<v Speaker 1>These guys love touring. I watched the video with them
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, the saddest day of the tour
<v Speaker 1>was the day we pulled into the last hotel at
<v Speaker 1>the last show, because we knew this was this was
<v Speaker 1>the end of it. Yeah, which is different. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>most of the guys, like Van Halen, they were ready
<v Speaker 1>to kill each other at the end of their tour,
<v Speaker 1>right right, But these guys I love touring together. They
<v Speaker 1>open for Loudness they did then end up opening for
<v Speaker 1>David Lee Roth after that.
<v Speaker 3>How about that? It's crazy the Van Halen connection.
<v Speaker 1>And then they, like you said, they open for bon
<v Speaker 1>Jovi on their Slippery When Wet tour. Then finally they
<v Speaker 1>come back and they are ready to do their second album,
<v Speaker 1>which is what we're here to discuss today, Boys and girls,
<v Speaker 1>Long Cold Winner.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, before we get to Long Cold Winner, I got
<v Speaker 3>to ask you, guys, did you hear the story with
<v Speaker 3>David Lee Roth on tour for Night Songs. No Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So Davily Roth has left van Halen, and of course
<v Speaker 3>his ego is the size of you know, New York
<v Speaker 3>City or whatever, and Cinderella is surging in popularity while
<v Speaker 3>David Lee Roth is kind of a little stagnant, not
<v Speaker 3>quite establishing himself that quickly off of Van Halen, and
<v Speaker 3>so Cinderella starts to kind of pass him in popularity
<v Speaker 3>as the opening band, and so David Lee Roth starts
<v Speaker 3>to put all these restrictions on what they can and
<v Speaker 3>can't do as the opening band. So one of them
<v Speaker 3>was that you can't engage the crowd. And Tom Keefer's like,
<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about, dude, Like this is nuts,
<v Speaker 3>Like you can't go hey Cleveland, how are you guys
<v Speaker 3>do it? Like you can't do that. This is the
<v Speaker 3>type of weird craft that David Ly Roth with you, right, right.
<v Speaker 3>So that was an interesting time. They learned a lot,
<v Speaker 3>They learned what not to do as a headliner. Bon
<v Speaker 3>Jovi treated them great, and so they try to treat
<v Speaker 3>others well, unlike the way they were treated from Davily Roth.
<v Speaker 1>Nice well. So this this album, their second album, was
<v Speaker 1>a definite turn from the first album. Right Night Songs
<v Speaker 1>comes out and it is full glam metal. Right So
<v Speaker 1>Tom Keefer said, this was new and exciting to us,
<v Speaker 1>and basically when we heard what the polished recordings sound like,
<v Speaker 1>we're blown away because our demos just sucked, you know.
<v Speaker 1>So it was kind of this, Wow, this is amazing.
<v Speaker 1>But after a few months and years go by, he's like, you,
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want less polished. I don't want this,
<v Speaker 1>you know, clean loud, full fat sound. I want it
<v Speaker 1>more bluesy, more authentic, more raw. And you definitely get
<v Speaker 1>that with Long Cold Winter, for sure. But I told
<v Speaker 1>you guys, this was not an album that was in
<v Speaker 1>my wheelhouse in nineteen eighty eight. Eighty eight is the
<v Speaker 1>year that I started listening to all of the old
<v Speaker 1>seventies stuff. I started listening to Zeppelin and Skinnered and
<v Speaker 1>all these other things. And so I was familiar with
<v Speaker 1>Cinderella because of MTV and because I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>you got. But this was not an album in my wheelhouse.
<v Speaker 1>And so when it was time to do this, I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure you remember, I put I put it on, and
<v Speaker 1>I first three songs, I called you up and I
<v Speaker 1>was like this is fan freaking fantastic, fantastic. I was amazed.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that we were doing this because I
<v Speaker 1>love this album.
<v Speaker 3>That's so great. I'm so glad to hear that. And
<v Speaker 3>I could have called it, like I told myself, I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna love this album. Absolutely yeah. And in fact,
<v Speaker 3>I think I know the song. There's one song on
<v Speaker 3>this album. I'm like, Okay, that's off the Beaten track
<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna blow these socks off.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we'll.
<v Speaker 3>Get to we'll talk about it now, Kevin, Did you
<v Speaker 3>own this album?
<v Speaker 2>I did first CD I ever owned, Is that right?
<v Speaker 2>I did?
<v Speaker 4>I bought it the same day I bought my first
<v Speaker 4>CD player. They didn't have much of a selection, but
<v Speaker 4>they did have Long Cold Winter. I'd been a fan
<v Speaker 4>of Night Song, so I bought the album, took it home,
<v Speaker 4>put it in, and the song that you're about to
<v Speaker 4>talk about is totally blew me away.
<v Speaker 1>You said you had roommates this time, right, I.
<v Speaker 4>Had two roommates and I put it on and cranked
<v Speaker 4>it up, and they were in there saying, who's this?
<v Speaker 4>This is great?
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, let's are we ready to dive it?
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the answer.
<v Speaker 3>That's a great interesting Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Time to jump into the album, so stick it in
<v Speaker 1>song number one.
<v Speaker 3>The song's called bad Seamstress Blues, or you might know
<v Speaker 3>it has fallen apart of the scenes. I ain't got
<v Speaker 3>no one to calm out.
<v Speaker 1>I say, I'm gonna win. I got just a little
<v Speaker 1>bit old un all I got come on gone. So
<v Speaker 1>I think that I probably felt the same way that
<v Speaker 1>everybody who had heard Night Songs felt when they put
<v Speaker 1>this in and listened to it the first time, and
<v Speaker 1>we're like, what is this? What is this? Is this
<v Speaker 1>Robert Johnson, what are we listening to here? This is
<v Speaker 1>a dough bro. This is not a Gibson lest Paul.
<v Speaker 1>This is not a hard Marshall stack. This is an
<v Speaker 1>acoustic dough bro blues with a harmonica and a I
<v Speaker 1>don't even know what the it's like mouth harp. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I was My mind was blown.
<v Speaker 3>It blew my hair back, Like I'm like, what is
<v Speaker 3>this coming out of my speakers? It's that slow build.
<v Speaker 3>You got the slide guitar, you got the little tap
<v Speaker 3>of the drums, you get the harmonica, and then you
<v Speaker 3>start to get that that beat right, you just boom, boom, boom,
<v Speaker 3>and then the guitar comes in. I just fell out
<v Speaker 3>of my chair. It's freaking amazing.
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely how you start an album.
<v Speaker 1>That's right and if and if you know, I want
<v Speaker 1>to do blue stuff, but I also want to speak
<v Speaker 1>to the guys who bought whatever, fifty thousand night songs
<v Speaker 1>a week for months on end. Then you say let's
<v Speaker 1>go boys, and you come in with that blasting guitar.
<v Speaker 3>It's freaking amazing. It's blues, it's rock, it's hard rock.
<v Speaker 3>But this whole album has got a very sort of
<v Speaker 3>Mississippi blues feel to it and yet stays true to
<v Speaker 3>its rock roots. So absolutely, the word that I saw
<v Speaker 3>described best for this song, I thought it was a
<v Speaker 3>word titanic. This is a kick in the teeth coming
<v Speaker 3>out of the gate. I freaking loves a song.
<v Speaker 1>So this. You remember when we talked about Back in Black,
<v Speaker 1>that last song on the album that I said, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>this is the one that these guys do something different,
<v Speaker 1>They do something varied, right. What I love about this
<v Speaker 1>album is that this is varied right out of the
<v Speaker 1>gate from what they had done before, but then they
<v Speaker 1>still give you They give you little taste of the
<v Speaker 1>blues and the beauty of his lyrics. I mean, he's
<v Speaker 1>got some depth that I was expecting stuff like Poison
<v Speaker 1>and Motley Crue were writing back then, not the deep
<v Speaker 1>emotional lyrics. It kicks me in the teeth.
<v Speaker 3>Like you said, that might be the perfect comparison. So
<v Speaker 3>rock and roll ain't noise pollution. This song's very asy dcye.
<v Speaker 3>You know what a great comparison, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Very good.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think?
<v Speaker 4>I love the song more the probably the most catching
<v Speaker 4>song to me on the album. Very underrated, underappreciated, but
<v Speaker 4>those that have heard it, I'm sure ninety percent of
<v Speaker 4>the will love it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I have one small thing that bugs me about
<v Speaker 3>this song. Okay, one small thing. Okay, what's the title
<v Speaker 3>of the song? Is that bad seamstress blues? Or is
<v Speaker 3>it falling apart of the seams?
<v Speaker 4>I think the intro is bad Seamstress blues. In the
<v Speaker 4>once it starts rocking, it's falling apart at the same.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that bugs me. Let's just call it one thing
<v Speaker 3>and let's kick it in the teeth and go down
<v Speaker 3>the road. You know.
<v Speaker 1>So I was Kevin when he was talking to me
<v Speaker 1>about this album, said that he would listen to the
<v Speaker 1>first three songs over and over again. And I think
<v Speaker 1>you were saying you listen to bad Seamstress Blues Falling
<v Speaker 1>Apart at the Seams and Gypsy wrote like that was
<v Speaker 1>that was where one two like one, two and three
<v Speaker 1>like one is really one and two.
<v Speaker 3>Right right right right, So I don't know, It's just
<v Speaker 3>a little personal thing. Yeah, very much a tone setter
<v Speaker 3>for the album too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one when it when it started going, it
<v Speaker 1>took me back to some of the stuff that Jimmy
<v Speaker 1>Page was doing when he was with led Zeppelin. That's
<v Speaker 1>he would do a slide frequently, and this one definitely
<v Speaker 1>he was jumping on that because I know that Keifer
<v Speaker 1>is a huge led Zeppelins fan.
<v Speaker 3>You know, you talk about it. The producer of this
<v Speaker 3>album is Andy Johns. Yeah, and I mean he worked
<v Speaker 3>on led Zebelin four.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he worked. He worked with led Zeppelin, Hero of Theirs,
<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stones, Hero of Theirs. Now obviously he had been
<v Speaker 1>with them already on Night Songs. He had produced that one, right,
<v Speaker 1>but then after this album he goes on to produce
<v Speaker 1>for Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Live Right Here. Right now.
<v Speaker 3>So we're going to talk about that next week because
<v Speaker 3>I definitely, yeah, I definitely think that. The Van Halen
<v Speaker 3>Boys said we want an album. This sounds like long
<v Speaker 3>cold winner, Yeah, and they hired Andy Johnson. By the way,
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't find the story on this. Tom Keeper says
<v Speaker 3>Andy Johns was brilliant, but he was nuts, like he
<v Speaker 3>was crazy. He said, like we were worried about our
<v Speaker 3>safety at times, okay, And I was like, man, I
<v Speaker 3>gotta find out more about this. Couldn't find it. Huh So.
<v Speaker 3>But he did tell them that everyone, at one point
<v Speaker 3>or another that they all sucked, so sometimes you need that, right, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And you motivated people in different ways, right.
<v Speaker 3>He said. Andy Johns told him that during one take,
<v Speaker 3>he you know, pressed the call button and said Thomas.
<v Speaker 3>He called him Thomas, which I thought that was fine.
<v Speaker 3>He said, Thomas. What we're going for here is when
<v Speaker 3>they get to the end of the record, that they'll
<v Speaker 3>want to pick up and start it over. They were like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>thank you, Okay, we're done.
<v Speaker 5>With this one.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's move on to song number two.
<v Speaker 3>Song number two. This song is called Gypsy Road.
<v Speaker 1>Some fast Talking Mama for a dollar put a smile
<v Speaker 1>on my face. Tell me that that is not borrowed
<v Speaker 1>from Aerosmith. Oh yeah, I love it. This is a
<v Speaker 1>great song about being on the road and missing being
<v Speaker 1>home and not being able to go home. I'm always
<v Speaker 1>on the road and never going home.
<v Speaker 3>Two songs in a row. My hair is blown back.
<v Speaker 3>It's just blown me away. The strength of these songs
<v Speaker 3>right off the bat.
<v Speaker 4>The song it still stands the test of time today.
<v Speaker 4>It could come out today, but it's very reminiscent of Barrowsmith.
<v Speaker 4>The song could have also easily been slid right onto
<v Speaker 4>Night Songs and we'll put in with the songs of
<v Speaker 4>that autum.
<v Speaker 1>It is definitely more of the metal sound than the
<v Speaker 1>first song. Yeah for sure.
<v Speaker 3>So this was the first single, so I don't think
<v Speaker 3>we said it. The album came out in July fifth
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen eighty eight, so we're dead center summer of
<v Speaker 3>eighty eight. Drop this video in this single first it
<v Speaker 3>only reaches number fifty one, Are you kidding me? At
<v Speaker 3>the peak of hair metal, only fifty I don't know
<v Speaker 3>what they were looking for, but this song is deserves better.
<v Speaker 3>It's underappreciated, Yes, sir. This was their opening track for
<v Speaker 3>the muscow Piece Festival, and we've talked about that a
<v Speaker 3>few times.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's interesting. You can watch the video on YouTube,
<v Speaker 1>but it's got this probably nearly two minute long introduction
<v Speaker 1>that's not on the song, that is synthesizer strings playing
<v Speaker 1>while Tom Kiefer is singing, and you've got this gigantic
<v Speaker 1>stadium full of these Soviet citizens who are getting to
<v Speaker 1>watch rock, real rock music for the first time, all
<v Speaker 1>just banging their head even though it's like strings playing.
<v Speaker 1>And then when the other guys come out and the
<v Speaker 1>song begins with the full blast of the guitar and
<v Speaker 1>the drums, get this aerial shot. You can see the
<v Speaker 1>entire stadium fluctuate with passion as they're like, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 1>here it is, here's the rock.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we actually rented that the night that it dropped.
<v Speaker 3>We pay per viewed it and me and my friends
<v Speaker 3>we pay per viewed the Muscopiece Festival and we loved it.
<v Speaker 1>It was great.
<v Speaker 3>So I gotta ask you, have you guys seen the
<v Speaker 3>music video recently for Gypsy Road? Now, Okay, so it's
<v Speaker 3>shot in and around Cantcu, Mexico.
<v Speaker 1>So the director of the video is a guy named
<v Speaker 1>Nick Morris, he's done a ton of videos. The one
<v Speaker 1>he did right before this one was Carrie by Europe. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>and then he's like, hey, we're gonna go down to
<v Speaker 1>kan Kun, which sounds like a great plan, except that
<v Speaker 1>it's the middle of summer.
<v Speaker 3>It is one hundred and twenty degrees one hundred percent humidity.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but hey, it's okay because we're going to film
<v Speaker 1>on like the cheech needs the pyramid, so it's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be fantastic right right now.
<v Speaker 3>They get down there and they're like, no, you can't
<v Speaker 3>film here. What are you talking about.
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you've got a contract.
<v Speaker 3>See the signature right here, see we sign it. Yeah, no,
<v Speaker 3>can't do it. So while there the heads are working
<v Speaker 3>it out, one guy grabs a camera and it's just
<v Speaker 3>like gorilla filming, and so everything you see in the
<v Speaker 3>video with Chitsanitza, it's one guy running with a camera
<v Speaker 3>over here, Hey, grab your guitar, hand play real quick,
<v Speaker 3>and they kind of stitch it together.
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. So you guys distract him. We're gonna take
<v Speaker 1>the good drummer and the bass player over here for
<v Speaker 1>a few minutes.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, i've been to chits Aita and they don't want
<v Speaker 3>you freaking touching that. I'll tell you that, No, they don't.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was hot one I went to freaking out.
<v Speaker 3>Here's the interesting thing too, I've never really understood this,
<v Speaker 3>but Nick Morris, the video director, was given ten days
<v Speaker 3>to come up with two videos. So they fly to
<v Speaker 3>Mexico shoot this, and then immediately they fly to northern
<v Speaker 3>California to shoot the next song.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about far northern California. Yeah, like
<v Speaker 1>where you've gone from one hundred and twenty degrees to
<v Speaker 1>like zero degree.
<v Speaker 3>Like freezing your butt off.
<v Speaker 1>So that brings us to song number three, probably the
<v Speaker 1>most famous song of the band, Don't know what you
<v Speaker 1>got til it's gone. Heartagges come and go, and all
<v Speaker 1>that's left are the wounds. If you happen to break
<v Speaker 1>up with somebody between late eighty eight nineteen ninety one,
<v Speaker 1>chances are this song came on the radio and you
<v Speaker 1>started crying.
<v Speaker 3>This is definitely on the Makeout list of eighty eight man,
<v Speaker 3>make Out, break Up, get Back Together list.
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Yeah, so let me cheer up, just thinking
<v Speaker 1>remember that girl, Hey.
<v Speaker 3>You remember Genie Alexander, our friend of the show Patreon.
<v Speaker 3>Remember Jeanie Alexander said, if this is not on your
<v Speaker 3>best of eighty eight, you're.
<v Speaker 1>Doing it Rockau.
<v Speaker 3>Remember we did our best of eighty eight list.
<v Speaker 1>Well, that was my fault. I should have had that.
<v Speaker 1>I should have had this one on there. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know how it I think. I think what I thought
<v Speaker 1>was we're going to be covering the whole album soon,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to leave it for that. But I
<v Speaker 1>will say this, this is the song that I knew
<v Speaker 1>from the album before listening to it for this episode.
<v Speaker 1>I felt like maybe Seamstress Blues was going to overcome it.
<v Speaker 1>But there's too much nostalgia. It's still my favorite song
<v Speaker 1>on the album, but there are a whole lot of
<v Speaker 1>songs that I am so happy that I know now
<v Speaker 1>because of this episode. So yeah, awesome, Ken, What do
<v Speaker 1>you think?
<v Speaker 2>I love this song?
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a lyrically and musically it was
<v Speaker 4>it gave you everything you wanted in the song, and
<v Speaker 4>the video was pretty cool. Didn't realize it was in
<v Speaker 4>northern California. Just recall him sitting with waves crashing.
<v Speaker 1>So in the in the tour after that, you know,
<v Speaker 1>when they do their fourteen month long tour for this album. Afterwards,
<v Speaker 1>they would start the show with him being lowered down
<v Speaker 1>playing a white piano playing.
<v Speaker 3>This song lowered from the ceiling. Yeah, awesome. The eighties
<v Speaker 3>were so freaking awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Nobody flies anymore.
<v Speaker 3>So sweet soul, full vocals. Right, you have the guitar solo.
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Can we just talk for a second about the fact
<v Speaker 1>that Tom Kuefort is so so good at the guitar,
<v Speaker 1>and then he's got this voice, I mean, like Brian Johnson,
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, like, that's what I think of is
<v Speaker 1>Brian Johnson? Yeah, Yeah, he could have done any AC
<v Speaker 1>DC song and I would have known the difference. But
<v Speaker 1>he's at the time was able to go from that rough, rough,
<v Speaker 1>screamy voice to these beautiful like you can't even tell
<v Speaker 1>it's the same guy. It's so good. And then he's
<v Speaker 1>also a blisteringly good guitarist.
<v Speaker 3>His guitar work is amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ry talent.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and bring the strings in anytime you add strings
<v Speaker 3>to the rock ballad I want to cry?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, breaks your heart.
<v Speaker 3>So this song was the second single. It peaked at
<v Speaker 3>number twelve on the Hot one hundred What Yes, what
<v Speaker 3>only number twelve would you like to hear the eleven
<v Speaker 3>better songs than this?
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell people. I gotta tell people this, right,
<v Speaker 1>So I see number twelve and immediately my mind goes to, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>Jason's gonna give us the eleven songs that were better
<v Speaker 1>than song. So we got here today and You're like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I don't have my list, and Kevin's like I know them.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I know that was awesome.
<v Speaker 1>I looked them up.
<v Speaker 3>Well, Kevin, do you want to go through the list?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go ahead, all right.
<v Speaker 3>So number eleven, I Don't Want Your Love by Duran Duran.
<v Speaker 3>Then number ten, we've got one moment in time. I'm
<v Speaker 3>by Whitney Houston, I mean makes every n cuaa tournament.
<v Speaker 3>Then you have look Away by Chicago. It's pretty good, right,
<v Speaker 3>how can I fall?
<v Speaker 1>By Breathe?
<v Speaker 3>These are these are makeout songs? Right, Kissing the Fool
<v Speaker 3>by George Michael. This is a lot of making That's
<v Speaker 3>a d favorite right there.
<v Speaker 1>It is very jazzy, but I love it.
<v Speaker 3>We have Baby I Loved Your Way by Wilt Power
<v Speaker 3>with the free Bird breakdown in the middle.
<v Speaker 1>Right, we when did we talk? We talked about that recently.
<v Speaker 3>What we did uh, what was that it was? It
<v Speaker 3>was opened up and say, I think it was one
<v Speaker 3>it was, yeah, one of those albums. Then you have
<v Speaker 3>Kokomo by the Beach Boys, Deaf Dave's favorite song of
<v Speaker 3>all time.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 3>Then you have Desire by You Two.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, these are I mean, these are some big hitters.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not complaining yet, Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Locomotion by Kylie Minogue, well okay, Easy on the Eyes, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>Wild Wide West by Escape Club one of these best
<v Speaker 3>of eighty anal mentions. Yeah, and then Bad Medicine by Bonjovi.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I mean those are all really good. That
<v Speaker 1>Doubt list, right, that is a strong list.
<v Speaker 5>There.
<v Speaker 1>There were songs on there that I don't like as
<v Speaker 1>well as the song, but it's they're still prettying good.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So just talking about the video shot at Golden Hour,
<v Speaker 3>when you look at it, it's all gold and purples,
<v Speaker 3>and so they talked about how they definitely always shot
<v Speaker 3>at dawn and dusk. They also talked about how the
<v Speaker 3>aerial shots they had a Vietnam bed who had access
<v Speaker 3>to a helicopter that the first day when the helicopter
<v Speaker 3>didn't work, he's like, no problem, we'll just jump it.
<v Speaker 3>So they jump started the helicopter.
<v Speaker 1>Does that make you worry at all? You're about to
<v Speaker 1>get on a helicopter and they're like, okay, get out
<v Speaker 1>the jumper.
<v Speaker 3>Cable, he said. They were always like, is the helicopter
<v Speaker 3>doing okay? And then of course the shoot was very,
<v Speaker 3>very cold. Go from Cancun blistering hot to Monoway, California.
<v Speaker 1>Freaking freezing mont of Lake by the way, formed seven
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand years ago. Thank you just had
<v Speaker 1>that bit of information in my head. Yeah, it is
<v Speaker 1>known for its a lot of marine life, including Brian Shrump.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what are you talking about it. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just telling you Mono Lake.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Kevin, you got any kind of trivia on Mono Lake.
<v Speaker 2>Force, First time I've heard of it?
<v Speaker 3>All right? Three tracks in We've got Killer, Killer Killer,
<v Speaker 3>Are we right?
<v Speaker 1>For track four?
<v Speaker 3>This fourth song on the album, This song is called
<v Speaker 3>the Last Mile.
<v Speaker 1>Well, this one starts off with a theme that was
<v Speaker 1>pretty popular in nineteen eighty eight, doing a twelve string
<v Speaker 1>guitar intro to jump right into a nice heavy, crunchy
<v Speaker 1>guitar arpeggio.
<v Speaker 3>Hey I've learned something. Yeah, it's a great This is
<v Speaker 3>a great rock song. This is not as bluesy, but
<v Speaker 3>this song's great too. This we're four tracks in. I'm
<v Speaker 3>loving it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well this was a single, right it was. This reached
<v Speaker 3>number thirty six one d. This is the third single
<v Speaker 3>ken What do you think, man?
<v Speaker 2>I love the song. I don't have much to add.
<v Speaker 4>Always enjoyed listening to the song though.
<v Speaker 3>This song is about finding contentment on the road of life.
<v Speaker 3>These guys are not really singing about boobs and girls
<v Speaker 3>and drugs, and I mean they're different than their peers
<v Speaker 3>in that aspect.
<v Speaker 1>I think. Well, one of the lines of the song
<v Speaker 1>is monkey on.
<v Speaker 3>My back, but gotta find a better way, better way.
<v Speaker 1>Not a love affair with heroin.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a list of strip clubs like we saw
<v Speaker 3>from so great song love It. This was released January
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen eighty nine. The video for the Last Mile
<v Speaker 3>is your standard eighties fair where it's concert and so
<v Speaker 3>you get a peek behind the curtain and it's there
<v Speaker 3>on the road and travel everybody had a traveling road video.
<v Speaker 3>Well this is theirs.
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, this wasn't a skipper for you, No,
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. Okay, Yeah, is it.
<v Speaker 3>What do you think?
<v Speaker 1>No, this one was good. I just remember him telling
<v Speaker 1>me one of these songs is a skipper, and I
<v Speaker 1>was trying to figure out if it was this one
<v Speaker 1>or maybe the next one.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, here we go.
<v Speaker 1>So that brings us to the last song on side one,
<v Speaker 1>back when things had sides. Yes, yes, this is second win. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So I like this song. Yeah, the sound made me
<v Speaker 1>think of a Guns n' Roses song that would not
<v Speaker 1>come out for another three years. Yeah, yeah, you could
<v Speaker 1>be Mine from T two. And I'm sitting here and
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking this has the same kind of style to it.
<v Speaker 1>Same And then I get about two minutes and forty
<v Speaker 1>seconds into the song and it's got this little breakdown
<v Speaker 1>right here, and I'm like, guns n' Roses totally stole
<v Speaker 1>this song.
<v Speaker 3>Well you would think so, except they wrote you could
<v Speaker 3>be Mine in eighty seven. Okay, that's a right. I
<v Speaker 3>won't say that. No, I won't trash your theory. No,
<v Speaker 3>that's fine, it's okay. Did they they almost put it
<v Speaker 3>on Appetite, That's.
<v Speaker 1>Right, they did, so they had blows my theory. No,
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. I like the I like that. That's fine.
<v Speaker 1>We can keep it in there.
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, sorry, sorry, all right, Well, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I know Maydie Cinderella heard guns and Roses. I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, well, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe it's the breakdown that they didn't have in
<v Speaker 1>the original version.
<v Speaker 3>There you go, now, Kevin, you're telling us this is
<v Speaker 3>a skipper notes.
<v Speaker 4>If they put more thoughts into the lyrics, it would
<v Speaker 4>be a better song.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Musically it's okay.
<v Speaker 1>Song okay, not your favorite, not my favorite, okay.
<v Speaker 4>My least favorite on the album, really okay, Okaydee, what
<v Speaker 4>do you think.
<v Speaker 1>I'm more of a music guy anyway. So I'm still
<v Speaker 1>digging this one, and I'm trying not to think about
<v Speaker 1>Guns n' Roses. But uh but no, I dug it,
<v Speaker 1>and I like that. I really like that breakdown in
<v Speaker 1>the middle. I do. So this song second Wind is
<v Speaker 1>the only song on the album that Cozy Powell did
<v Speaker 1>not play the drum song. Oh really okay, yeah, maybe
<v Speaker 1>that's why Kevin didn't like it.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe Dinny Camasi, yes, okay, okay, I've got a quick
<v Speaker 3>story okay, adjacent to this song.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So this made the set list in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on
<v Speaker 3>March of nineteen eighty nine. Okay, so there was song
<v Speaker 3>number ten and they played it between Gypsy Road and
<v Speaker 3>Nobody's Full from Night songs. Okay, so this was a
<v Speaker 3>song they did play in concert. Now, then I've told
<v Speaker 3>you know me pretty well. In March of eighty nine,
<v Speaker 3>I was on a ski trip, but Cinderella played Tulsa,
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma this same week as I was supposed to go skiing,
<v Speaker 3>and it was Cinderella and Winger and the Bullet Boys,
<v Speaker 3>and I freaking love ski trips, but I literally was like, hmmm, Cinderella, Winger,
<v Speaker 3>Bullet Boys.
<v Speaker 1>Or ski trip.
<v Speaker 3>I opted for the ski trip. But I the one
<v Speaker 3>concert in my life that I missed that I could
<v Speaker 3>have gone to was this one and still has a
<v Speaker 3>little twinge in my heart because I missed it, little
<v Speaker 3>pained regret. Yes, it was over spring break. It was
<v Speaker 3>like I remember it because it was on spring break
<v Speaker 3>in my high school year.
<v Speaker 1>So there you go. Sorry for you, I know.
<v Speaker 3>So I did not get to hear second Win played
<v Speaker 3>at the tenth overall song on that.
<v Speaker 1>All right, well it's time for you to say it, Jason.
<v Speaker 3>Hit stop on your tape player, kick it out. Flip
<v Speaker 3>it over for side two, and we kick it off
<v Speaker 3>with the song called Long Cold Winter.
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, I mean, oh my gosh, let's start side
<v Speaker 1>one with the blues from the Crossroads, and let's start
<v Speaker 1>side to with this beautiful, soulful blues lead guitar that
<v Speaker 1>just melts your freaking face.
<v Speaker 6>I love it.
<v Speaker 3>For the record, this was the song that I said
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna love this song.
<v Speaker 1>You were right, Yes, yes, very very very good song
<v Speaker 1>like this Bad Seamsress Blues Falling part of the Seams,
<v Speaker 1>Don't Know What You Got Till It's Gone, and Long
<v Speaker 1>Cold Winter are my top three on the album, and
<v Speaker 1>they could find the top spot any day, depending on
<v Speaker 1>my movie.
<v Speaker 3>Who Okay, Kevin, what do you think?
<v Speaker 4>Love this song musically and vocally remind me of Janis Jockey? Okay,
<v Speaker 4>Just a very heartfelt blues song. Makes you feel the
<v Speaker 4>pain that he's feeling.
<v Speaker 3>His vocals are blistering in this song.
<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, just the first lines of the song,
<v Speaker 1>I've been down, I've been crying in the dead of night.
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying. I've been trying to find the time
<v Speaker 1>to make it right. If that's not blues, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what it is.
<v Speaker 3>That's the blues.
<v Speaker 5>Baby.
<v Speaker 3>Don't get out of here about paying the blues, you know.
<v Speaker 3>I was, I was listening to this album today and
<v Speaker 3>I thought to myself, if this song had been playing
<v Speaker 3>in the background during the weird science scene where he's like,
<v Speaker 3>that's been let me tell you my story, it would
<v Speaker 3>have fit right, Yes, super bluesy during the concerts, it
<v Speaker 3>would snow during this song.
<v Speaker 1>How did what?
<v Speaker 3>They would drop artificial snowflakes from the ceiling during this song?
<v Speaker 3>All right, I mean, once again, concerts are not what
<v Speaker 3>they were. They drop a freaking piano from the ceiling
<v Speaker 3>and they make it snow during the song local Winter.
<v Speaker 3>How cool is that?
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful?
<v Speaker 3>Okay? I thought maybe I'd just bring this up at
<v Speaker 3>this moment. Jeff Lebar, who was the original not original
<v Speaker 3>guitarist for Cinderella, the one we know from Night Songs on,
<v Speaker 3>passed away July fourteenth of twenty twenty one, had a
<v Speaker 3>long history of substance abuse and was one of the
<v Speaker 3>main reasons why Cinderella had been inactive for a lot
<v Speaker 3>of years. Tom Keefer actually his one of his his
<v Speaker 3>left vocal cord was paralyzed. Yeah, and it wasn't something
<v Speaker 3>he could really get over, so that was a major factor.
<v Speaker 3>But Jeff Lebar had some heroin issues and after going
<v Speaker 3>missing for three or four days, they discovered him in
<v Speaker 3>his apartment in Nashville. It's kind of a sad, sad
<v Speaker 3>thing that's treasure.
<v Speaker 1>So so this is the perfect sad story to tell
<v Speaker 1>during this incredibly sad bluesy song. I don't want to
<v Speaker 1>be done with this song, but we do have to
<v Speaker 1>keep going.
<v Speaker 3>I am proud of myself though, for nailing the song
<v Speaker 3>that you would love.
<v Speaker 1>On this album. All right. That brings us to song
<v Speaker 1>number two on side to song number seven on the album.
<v Speaker 1>This song is called if you Don't Like It. I
<v Speaker 1>really want to hear Joe Perry and Steven Tyler cover
<v Speaker 1>this song yeah, because I think they would kill it. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>it has got a Joe Perry style lick to it.
<v Speaker 1>It is got the rhythm that all of Steven Tyler's
<v Speaker 1>songs have. I would love to hear them cover the
<v Speaker 1>song that'd being said, this is not my favorite song on.
<v Speaker 3>The album, let me think him.
<v Speaker 2>I agree.
<v Speaker 4>I don't like the song as much as I like
<v Speaker 4>others on the album. I don't think it's a bad song,
<v Speaker 4>it's a better song.
<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, I definitely would agree that there are better songs,
<v Speaker 3>but this is a great song too. I enjoy this one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and his once again killing it vocally, you know, and
<v Speaker 3>it's fun, you know the I just don't care, you know,
<v Speaker 3>the squeal of his voice on that one. This kid's
<v Speaker 3>radio play.
<v Speaker 1>I like it.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a Skippers, still a lot of funny. It's
<v Speaker 3>hard when you compare it to Gypsy Road and don't
<v Speaker 3>know what you got.
<v Speaker 2>So they set the bar high they did.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I wanted to mention this. I forgot
<v Speaker 3>to say this. So we've talked about how they sound
<v Speaker 3>very Aerosmith. They sound very easy DC. There's some Zeppelin
<v Speaker 3>in there, maybe some Rolling Stones, right. So I just
<v Speaker 3>looked at the setlist for that concert in Tulsa when
<v Speaker 3>I was in high school. They closed with jump a
<v Speaker 3>Jack Flash and Sweet Home Alabama, and I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 3>that would have been a great, great ending to that concert.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I saw the end of their sets every
<v Speaker 1>time they do Sweet Home Alabama and they would bring
<v Speaker 1>out their opening acts, sing a song and play the
<v Speaker 1>song with them. It was kind of like this group
<v Speaker 1>show that we're gonna Hey, we're going to go with
<v Speaker 1>a song that everybody loves. Right, But on the last
<v Speaker 1>night of the last concert of the tour, the opening
<v Speaker 1>band had left. They were gone. I don't know who
<v Speaker 1>it was that they were gone. And so what they
<v Speaker 1>did was they brought out the crew. They brought out
<v Speaker 1>all the roadies and all the guys that were responsible
<v Speaker 1>for getting everything put together and taking everything down. And
<v Speaker 1>you've got a stage full of guys, I mean, who
<v Speaker 1>never get to play guitar on stage up there playing guitar,
<v Speaker 1>singing all sweet Home Alabama, arms around each other, just
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're all happy and sad to be bringing
<v Speaker 1>this incredible tour to an end.
<v Speaker 3>That is so cool that just puts us smile on
<v Speaker 3>my face.
<v Speaker 1>I love that all right, And oddly enough, that brings
<v Speaker 1>us to the perfect next song. This one is called
<v Speaker 1>coming Home.
<v Speaker 5>I took the.
<v Speaker 2>Out Down, a song I was meant to stay.
<v Speaker 3>I see I'm spiking the football. This is my favorite
<v Speaker 3>song on the album. Oh wow, I freaking love this song.
<v Speaker 3>Nice Now I'm willing to admit that it has some
<v Speaker 3>to do with that time in my life. Gosh, this
<v Speaker 3>song just hits me right in the in the field.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not ready to say it's the best song
<v Speaker 3>on the album, but.
<v Speaker 5>It's my favorite.
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely love it. I love it, I think him,
<v Speaker 3>I love the song I.
<v Speaker 1>Always have once again bringing the twelfth string back in
<v Speaker 1>and this is This exemplifies what I was talking about,
<v Speaker 1>where he can go from that rolly scratchy to this
<v Speaker 1>beautiful melodic voice. Like I hear this song and I
<v Speaker 1>have the same reaction that I have when I hear
<v Speaker 1>dream on for the first time in years, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>is this really him? Because it doesn't even sound like
<v Speaker 1>him until it hits that dream screaming dream On this one,
<v Speaker 1>He's got this beautiful melody to his voice and the
<v Speaker 1>chord progression and the rhythm. This is almost like a
<v Speaker 1>country song. I mean, this is and the feels of
<v Speaker 1>a country song of like I'm finally getting to go
<v Speaker 1>back home, back where when we get home cooked food again.
<v Speaker 1>This is a very country feel and their execution I
<v Speaker 1>think is flawless on it.
<v Speaker 3>It's fantastic. It's the fourth single. This reached number twenty
<v Speaker 3>on the Hot one hundred. I'm not going to go
<v Speaker 3>through the nineteen better songs, but I absolutely love it.
<v Speaker 3>Now the music video, have you guys seen it recently?
<v Speaker 2>Reach?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So here's the deal. You have this guy who
<v Speaker 3>rides his motorcycle and apparently he's involved romantically in this girl.
<v Speaker 3>Somehow they get separated and he's on his way back home,
<v Speaker 3>like he's headed back to see her, right, and there's
<v Speaker 3>the memories of this girl. And when he gets all
<v Speaker 3>the way back there, apparently there are no phones in
<v Speaker 3>this universe. He gets all the way back to see here,
<v Speaker 3>goes to the house that they spend all this time
<v Speaker 3>in and it's boarded up, like the house is like empty,
<v Speaker 3>boarded up, and he's like, oh no, what happened? And
<v Speaker 3>then the girl walks in. It comes around the corner.
<v Speaker 3>No kiss, no hug, no nothing. It's the weirdest video.
<v Speaker 3>And first of all, he gets back home, it's boarded up,
<v Speaker 3>she's moved out, but miraculously she happens to be there,
<v Speaker 3>and then no kiss, no hug, there's no reconciliation at
<v Speaker 3>the end. So not the best video I've ever seen
<v Speaker 3>in my life. But the song is fantastic. Yeah, won't
<v Speaker 3>be a sequel to that video? Yeah, no kids, No grandkids,
<v Speaker 3>no nothing.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this was a different director than the other videos.
<v Speaker 1>This was a guy named Chris Painter, who I feel
<v Speaker 1>like we've probably talked about before. But I'm glad that
<v Speaker 1>I looked because, like I said to you, I was
<v Speaker 1>surprised listening to this album because to me didn't feel
<v Speaker 1>it all like the glam rock the bands that they
<v Speaker 1>were with on the Moscow Peace Festival. I didn't feel
<v Speaker 1>like that at all. It felt more like Tesla and
<v Speaker 1>Black Crows, like all this blues feels well. Chris Painter
<v Speaker 1>is the guy who directed all of the Tesla videos.
<v Speaker 1>The love song signs, roll the Bones, all of those
<v Speaker 1>are Chris Painter videos. My guess is he recorded the
<v Speaker 1>first part and then they had another guy come in
<v Speaker 1>because there's two, and then the second guy's named Mark Ryszewski,
<v Speaker 1>who has done that much.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what do we cover in Tesla D.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I think the perfect matchup
<v Speaker 1>is Black Crows, so we just got to figure out
<v Speaker 1>how to make that happen, right.
<v Speaker 3>Tesla versus Black Crows. I am on board, Yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 3>on board. Okay, moving on. Next song on the album
<v Speaker 3>is called Fire and Ice.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, gentlemen. For me, this is the first skipper on
<v Speaker 1>the album. This feels like filler to me, second to
<v Speaker 1>last song on the album. First skipper, I agree, this
<v Speaker 1>is a skipper. This is the one skipper for me. Kaef,
<v Speaker 1>I agree.
<v Speaker 4>It's not a very good song. Every time I hear it,
<v Speaker 4>I'm like hearing it for the first time.
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't stick with It's more rock, it's crunchy.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 3>I could see this being a concert song, you know,
<v Speaker 3>with fire and ice, maybe like red lights and blue lights.
<v Speaker 1>And amp up the pyrotechnics.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, except they didn't play it on their set list,
<v Speaker 3>so this is not a great concert.
<v Speaker 1>They felt the same way about the song that we
<v Speaker 1>didn't right, They're like, that was just a filler song.
<v Speaker 1>We don't really care about that song.
<v Speaker 3>Skipper.
<v Speaker 1>It's so very good. That will move right along.
<v Speaker 3>Then moving on.
<v Speaker 1>Last song on the album, say it Ain't so. This
<v Speaker 1>song is called take Me.
<v Speaker 5>Back Mississippi Queen.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I'm sorry, wrong song, wrong song. I got
<v Speaker 1>a fever and the only prescription is more cow bells.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Cow bell is the strongest part of this song next
<v Speaker 1>to the lyrics. Lyrics are good. Cow Bell's good. Rest
<v Speaker 1>of the song. I can see why Andy John's was like, guys,
<v Speaker 1>we need to end better than this.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, I think this is a pretty good closer for
<v Speaker 3>this album. It's it's middle of the road. It's not
<v Speaker 3>a skipper. It's not fantastic, but for me, it closes
<v Speaker 3>out the album nicely. It's a it's a feel good song.
<v Speaker 5>I'm okay with it.
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the song.
<v Speaker 1>That all you Got Miss zip A Queen whatever. Yeah, now,
<v Speaker 1>I'm I mean it's I agree. It is not a skipper,
<v Speaker 1>but it is it's not memorable either.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, that's fine. Yeah, before we end this album,
<v Speaker 3>I want I want to drop this on you real quick. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So this album sold. You know, I think I went
<v Speaker 3>two times platinum in the US, so it sold a
<v Speaker 3>bunch of copies. It peaked at number ten on the
<v Speaker 3>Billboard two hundred. All right, d here are the nine
<v Speaker 3>albums that finished ahead of it in total sales.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay?
<v Speaker 3>Number nine, Open Up and Say Ah covered by the
<v Speaker 3>Shirley Can't Be Serious podcast.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, what do we compare that to.
<v Speaker 3>Living Colors Vivid album?
<v Speaker 1>That's good comparison?
<v Speaker 5>Okay?
<v Speaker 3>Number eight Richard Mark's debut album.
<v Speaker 1>Well that was a big I was very big back then.
<v Speaker 3>We keep coming across this. We may have to cover
<v Speaker 3>that sometimes. Number seven, oh you eight one two, which
<v Speaker 3>we are comparing to this album, covering it next week.
<v Speaker 3>Number six Faith Yeah, number five, he's the DJ. I'm
<v Speaker 3>the rapper, you know, saying that one Fresh Prince spell there,
<v Speaker 3>that's it DJ Jesse Jeff the Fresh Prince. Number four,
<v Speaker 3>Roll with It by Steve Winwood. Number three Tracy Chapman's
<v Speaker 3>debut album, Number two Appetite for Destruction, and number one Hysteria.
<v Speaker 1>So those are again, that's a heck of a list.
<v Speaker 3>That's a heck of a list, right, Yeah, So overall,
<v Speaker 3>great album. I love so many songs on this album.
<v Speaker 1>Side note, Tracy Chapman just became the first African American
<v Speaker 1>woman to have a song on the top of the
<v Speaker 1>country charts because Luke Combs just covered Fast Car.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah really yeah, Well, good for her. That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>There you go. I got it, Like I said, these
<v Speaker 1>pieces of information just floating around up in the bean there.
<v Speaker 3>Impressive yeah, impressive.
<v Speaker 5>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Overall, Kevin, what do you think?
<v Speaker 2>Loved the album?
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a good progression from their debut album.
<v Speaker 4>Thought that you could see maturity and growth in the
<v Speaker 4>right direction, and I was.
<v Speaker 1>I loved it.
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was when it came out, I was
<v Speaker 4>glad I bought it and were wore it out.
<v Speaker 3>D I'm really excited to hear what you think because
<v Speaker 3>you didn't grow up with this like we did.
<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, this was I was. I'm very thankful for
<v Speaker 1>getting to become familiar with this album. This will be
<v Speaker 1>one that I bring into my rotation. I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>be My youngest daughter is only eleven, but she absolutely
<v Speaker 1>loves ac DC, and I'm like, she's going to love
<v Speaker 1>this album. She's going to love Cinderella. I'm looking forward
<v Speaker 1>to introducing it, introducing her to it.
<v Speaker 3>By the way her doors off with the first couple
<v Speaker 3>of songs.
<v Speaker 1>By the way side note, I go to this local
<v Speaker 1>restaurant all the time called Louise, which is where Kevin
<v Speaker 1>and I will hang out frequently. And the first time
<v Speaker 1>that he met my daughter, he thought that I had
<v Speaker 1>said that it was her birthday, and so he went
<v Speaker 1>and sang Happy Birthday to her, and it was not
<v Speaker 1>her birthday. But it is now a running gag that
<v Speaker 1>every time that he sees her or she sees him.
<v Speaker 1>They tell each other Happy Birthday, and frequently he will
<v Speaker 1>order a dessert for her.
<v Speaker 3>That is very very nice.
<v Speaker 1>Love it.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, here's what I think is so funny about that.
<v Speaker 3>So you guys obviously frequent this restaurant a lot, because
<v Speaker 3>we took Del Selby over there after we recorded Open
<v Speaker 3>Up and say, ah, and we were looking for you,
<v Speaker 3>where's Kevin?
<v Speaker 1>He was there? He was?
<v Speaker 5>He was there?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh yeah, well I didn't see him.
<v Speaker 1>Well, he was at the bar and we were outside.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there you go. Shoot, sorry, next time, there we go. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So this obviously was their biggest album. It was Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and then it took a couple of years and they
<v Speaker 1>came out with Heartbreak Station, which went even further into
<v Speaker 1>the blues style. And then it was another four years
<v Speaker 1>before they finally came out with Still Climbing. And by
<v Speaker 1>that time the music industry had changed substantially, right, And
<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned earlier, Tom Keefer had a vocal cord
<v Speaker 1>get paralyzed.
<v Speaker 3>Moraalysis.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's I don't even know how you
<v Speaker 1>go through that, but he he ultimately trained his voice
<v Speaker 1>back up, had to relearn how to sing. But since
<v Speaker 1>this time, they've gotten back together for one reunion tour.
<v Speaker 1>It was the Cruise The Rock Isn't Dead or something
<v Speaker 1>like that old eighties rock cruise ship type thing. But
<v Speaker 1>then he started having trouble with his voice again and
<v Speaker 1>they fell apart again. But he's still I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of these guys live in the same way.
<v Speaker 1>They all live in Nashville, I thing they do. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and so he kind of maintains it's not that the
<v Speaker 1>band is dead. We still communicate, we still hang out,
<v Speaker 1>we still play together. It's just we are kind of
<v Speaker 1>on a hiatus because I've had these issues with my
<v Speaker 1>voice and we have you know, we're not making anything
<v Speaker 1>new at this point.
<v Speaker 3>It kind of bums me out. I mean, look what
<v Speaker 3>they're capable of. Yeah, I will be anxious to hear
<v Speaker 3>what you think about comparing this next week to Van
<v Speaker 3>Halen's Oh You eight one two.
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to cover it. And when we come back,
<v Speaker 1>we will have a guest with us.
<v Speaker 3>Mister Jeff Johnson is coming over to talk Van Hagar
<v Speaker 3>with us next week.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so you might be asking yourself the question,
<v Speaker 1>why did we pick Kevin, who's got his grandson named
<v Speaker 1>after van Halen to do this album instead of the
<v Speaker 1>van Halen album. Well, come back for our next episode,
<v Speaker 1>where you will get final judgment from Jason for Me,
<v Speaker 1>from Jeff Johnson, and from Kevin on which of these
<v Speaker 1>two albums is the best.
<v Speaker 3>Kevin, thank you so much for being here.
<v Speaker 5>We thank you for having me.
<v Speaker 3>I am pleasure just to meet you and get to
<v Speaker 3>hang out with you a little bit. I'm so glad
<v Speaker 3>to beat you.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 4>I enjoyed the program a lot. I listened to your
<v Speaker 4>podcasts weekly and honor to be here.
<v Speaker 3>Cool did Jeff fun I had a great time.
<v Speaker 1>Awesome.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we will see you guys back here next week
<v Speaker 3>when we talk about van Halen's Oh You eight one
<v Speaker 3>two