The One Where Lala & Brock Davies Squash Their Beef

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Speaker 1: Hello, beautiful people. It is La La Kent with my right hand and my brain. Jessica Walter. Hello everybody, dude, we got Brock on the podcast today.

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Speaker 2: Very exciting.

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Speaker 1: We're pre recording.

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Speaker 2: That's just a few days because when this airs, where will you be.

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Speaker 1: Lalla, I'll be in Mexico. We're Brock and Sheena's wedding.

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Speaker 2: That's really exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's exciting. I'm so happy for them. You know, you know how I feel about just marriage, and I did. I did, But you know what, I am totally happy to go and celebrate love. Yeah, so that is and I can't wait to see Summer Moon. There's just nothing sweeter than, you know, two people just acknowledging the love they have. Yeah, and like making a commitment before. I mean, in my mind it's going this way, making a commitment before go in this little human being that's a part of both of them, goose beautifully. I'm like, fuck marriage.

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Speaker 2: No, that's so exciting.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just like, I'm gonna look at all the stories and see what everyone wears. I'm dying to see Sheena's dress.

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Speaker 1: I am too. Do you know what you're wearing. No, I'm actually gonna leave doing this podcast, and I need to go shopping. I need to go shopping for Mexico. Yeah. All right, So you know how I took Ocean to Newport Beach. Yes, So we were staying in a hotel room and there was the pack and play that I put her in, and you know, she's very easy, like she's kind of just adjusted to the way things are because it's been an adjustment from the time she was seven months. So like I can leave the TV on and have her in the same room as me and she'll go to sleep, right. Yeah, But this night, Gigi was getting her super highee and she was like putting hats on, rolling around, and everybody in there commented and they were like, you need a slumber pod. So I'm like, what is this slumber pod? Yeah? I look it up. It's like a full on like pod, like a tent, okay for your baby.

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Speaker 2: That you take on trips. Yes, And it's just like they sleep in there.

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Speaker 1: They sleep in there. I mean, I'm gonna show you a picture, but I'm telling you what it was like, one message after the other saying you need a slumber pod. So now I'm going to look into just getting one, because slumber pod, I mean I kind of want to get in it. Let me say, oh, this is so cool.

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Speaker 2: It legit looks like a tent to google it. Yeah, it looks like a tent.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at those those little things that bend. That's probably hard to set up too, just like a tent. Do you really think a tent setting up a tent? I have tried so many times and failed every wee.

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Speaker 1: Well, it came highly recommended. So if any of my moms out there have a slumber pod, just is saying, it looks very complex.

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Speaker 2: It looks like a ten, you guys, it looks like those Well.

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Speaker 1: Look at what you do? You put it over the pack and play.

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Speaker 2: Oh maybe it just folds then.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it does. I don't know, but I think I might get one, and it looks like it's easy to pack. Anyway, that happened, And also a lot of people asking me how ocean sleeps through the night. They're like, I have I went through my DMS today and it was like one after the other, slumber pod, How does ocean sleep through the night. I don't know how I got that to happen. My friend's kids usually wake up in the middle of the night. Ocean has slept through the night since I want to say, like six months. Really, yeah, because I did sleep train, and.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna ask.

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Speaker 1: I did, okay, And obviously as a mom, you know your kids cry. You know when they're fussy and they just need to self soothe. You know when something is wrong, you know when it's a diaper change. So when I would put her in there, and it was hard because you hear your kid fuss and you want to go in and cuddle and protect them. But I also know that it can become a nightmare. You know. I slept in my parents, But until I was.

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Speaker 2: Like twelve, you did, Yes, why I was just terrified of everything.

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Speaker 1: Of everything was Easton the same way. No, really, he was a champion child. So that's why I was like, I'm gonna sleep train even though it is hard, I feel like it'll be worth it. And I'll tell you what. I put her down between seven and eight. That chick knocks out. She woke up today at like nine thirty.

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Speaker 2: She's so healthy. It seems every time I see her she's had Because I've nanny before I've mentioned that on the podcast, and sometimes I would come in and the babies would be like they looked exhausted. Yeah, and all day they'd be lethargic, and I'm like, what is going on? And I bet it's cause I mean they woke up throughout the night and you can tell she gets a lot of sleep.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Yeah, she's revived.

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Speaker 2: She's a revived.

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Speaker 1: You know, she had like a long day the day before because she was elsewhere at the La Zoo, which literally killed me. Everyone knows how I am with an animals deep dive into certain zoos.

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Speaker 2: She went to the La Zoo, So the La Zoo is not a one that we support.

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Speaker 1: I've never done to me. Love that she was there, okay, but I was like great, just having fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, I have to personally, this is just me I have to do. I haven't been to a zoos since I was like thirteen. But I have to do the research because if they're not one of the good zoos, nope, I want them to shut down, yeah and hand over their animals to one of the good ones.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: There's so much wrong with this world, like the you know, we posted about the carriages in New York and then now it's like, yeah, yeah, the horse rider and now showing where they stay.

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Speaker 2: And I regret now not saying something because in New York I was like, it's sick, it's disgusting. And now I regret not shaming the people on them, you know, who were going on them. I know now I like, I have been texting my best friend from home who lives in New York, and I'm like, when can we set up a protest, like we need to be shaming everyone who's paying for this.

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Speaker 1: Like they're protesting right now. And we go to Bravocon in New York in October and I think I may roll up.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll go with you and shame all of them, Shame all them way up, y'all. I'll hold like, hold pictures or hold posters of the facts how many horses die per year from the carriage rides.

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Speaker 1: And that fucking like whatever they call the guy the loser, I'm sorry, I'll say, get the horse up. I wanted to fuck him up so bad. I'm not violent, but I was like, you stupid piece of shit. Yep, this poor animal with no voice, and this is how you're treating it.

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Speaker 2: Taking the whip, get up, get up, and I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Wiss his act.

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Speaker 2: He's discussed his and the horse was already skin and bones. I know, already abuse.

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Speaker 1: No, it makes me say, go to my Instagram, sign the petitions that I'll be posting. Please. I will not let up. I will continue to be the crazy person that trolls anyone who goes to a zoo and doesn't do research, anyone who goes on these horse and carriage rides, anyone who goes to Sea World, I turn into an Instagram troll. Educate yourself.

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Speaker 2: And I can't stress enough you guys, with the research I've done, how there is no because I've so many people dm to me and they go, well, my town does it in Christmas. But it's okay, No, No, do the research, your basic bitch ass wedding with your horse and carriage when you're like you and your husband, oh because you want to be Disney princess.

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Speaker 1: For the day. God, none of it's okay. Judging you, judging you so hardcore. The other thing I want to talk about before we go into the Brock episode, which I'm excited for, is I feel like I'm cheating on housewives because I have become addicted to Jersey Shore. I can't stop. I cannot stop. And now my mom is also very invested in Ron Sammy and I'm like, they don't end up together. Mom, This was like two thousand and eight or nine. They don't end up together. And she's like, well why, and I'm like, you'll see just I love Sammy.

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Speaker 2: Also, you said you would take Polly D to the smushroom or smash room whatever back in.

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Speaker 1: The Vinnie Vinnie's very sweet. But I think Polly D the Jersey Shore is so funny.

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Speaker 2: The hair I couldn't get fast.

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Speaker 1: The hair, Oh, the hair makes it him walking around saying caves here, yeah, shirt time. The whole thing is like everything's working. I don't know why, but it's working for me. That's funny.

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Speaker 2: Do you watch the Jersey short the ones that are out now?

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Speaker 1: No, because I started on season one and then I'll maneuver my way into family vacation, family vacation. Oh I called it family reunion. Okay, maybe it is family. I think it's vacation. Who knows. All I know is it's amazing. I haven't watched Housewives in like an entire week, and I feel so good. You'll get back to it. Get back to it anyway. We're gonna take a quick little break and we will be back with she is baby daddy, she.

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Speaker 2: Is baby daddy, and now husband when this comes out, maybe yes, congratulations husband.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back. Welcome back. We have my boy where every time he arrives and go croiky.

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Speaker 3: Welsh baby. How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: We're good? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's been good. It's been a good day. A little stressed out with the timing of everything coming up, but super excited. To be honest, we just had to cancel flights and read books all the flights.

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Speaker 1: So no, Sheina texted me this morning and said, I need to know what flight you're on. We booked our flights in April and now they've completely switched it up. They have us doing layovers.

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Speaker 3: And then we were gone to Houston with a warning this morning that your flat might be canceled delayed because of storms. And so I was like, honey, we can't do that flat. So now so looked at and we actually jumped on the next day. We'll lose like six hours about it works out better for summer. Everybody trying flying out there.

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Speaker 2: So are you flying with summer? Is she flying on a separate fly?

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Speaker 3: Look? Some is flying straight with us. She's been a good fly. We've taken her to Hawaii once with anything I say this, I'll say this before, but she slipped in me, my arms, the whole fly, so we got all easy with that one. Now her nap schedules two hours, so the flights are around ten, so hopefully we'll be fine. Knock her right out, knock around, she'll take a nap, and if she doesn't, let's well, I'm here for it. Let's see what happens.

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Speaker 1: You know what I've Ocean has always been kind of on my schedule. There are days where it's like we're home and she gets a nap in like a regular schedule. And other days I'm like, you either have to take a nap on the beach because it's party time, or like you're not going to get a nap. And I'm in a different situation because my kid is bounced back and forth, she's constantly seeing new faces. It's like very much, it's I don't want to say chaotic, but she kind of has had to adjust from the age of seven months right, Yeah, she goes over to the other house. She's got different bottles. She goes over to the other house, She's got everything is different. So she kind of is just like very flexible. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean when you came down to San Diego. I honestly, when you put her to bed and walked out and I'm there with Summer, I was just kind of like, would she asleep? Wait?

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Speaker 2: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to rock Summer to see?

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Speaker 3: So we were we were we were giving it a love good and then like ideally you'd like to make them feel sleepy and put them in their crib with their eyes kind of like doing doing the gaze yea, the glaze over. But yeah, we never made she was just asleep and this is nice, but it'll be like thirty to forty five minute time period. So when Lala visited with Ocean and her mom, now, yeah, bedtime. I come on girls, bedtime, I take Summer up. I see them go into the into the room, into the back room, and then they just walked back out. I was just like, that was like a minute, and then I was like I was just in my head contemplating life at that point as a parent. I was like, damn, I to step this one up.

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Speaker 1: But then because you are like Summer's used to falling asleep in your arms. I'm telling you what me taking a long flight with Ocean would be a nightmare because she when she's done, wants her bed, her bubba. She doesn't want you know, Yeah, that's just what she wants. Like she made doze off for a second. But a five hour flight nightmare? Yeah, sure of it. Just going to Utah hour and thirty.

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Speaker 3: I was like, how was so you have flying with her on the show? Flights two hours? Three hours?

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Speaker 1: She wants to sing, she wants to run around.

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Speaker 2: She was a lot younger though, right or.

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Speaker 1: No, No, she was younger. I'm sure we may be okay now, but you guys got your flight situated. I mean you're the most important. Without you guys there we're just there watching nothing. Really, I'll see we're going for you. Don't get it twisted. I'm excited. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Fun.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who doesn't know Rock and Sheena are we can say that's right.

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Speaker 1: Getting married.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a secret. We've been married since I've been together. I feel like like you asked it, what's going to change?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think nothing do you think the way you look at her is going to change? I mean, like, did you look at her differently when she became the mother of your child?

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Speaker 3: Yes, because because it was it was like I got I saw her struggling as a parent sometimes and then like stepping up as a parent. So it's just like I see her go through painful and I see her like grow from it, and then there I find those messages there so one hundred percent more respect and even like today, like when we have our when I say my tits, we have our tit for tats. If I say something that like I normally would say which would be offended upset her, I generally would just let it rock and roll and be like okay. But like immediately once I said it, I knew I shouldn't say those things to her. I knew it hurt her. So I went up and again her a big hard. I was like, that was stupid to me to say that I'm in the wrong, And I mean I normally no, I put my foot in my mouth all the time, but I was glad, like for her, I can catch myself, and I was glad I can get into that because it was just a lesson learned, like I don't want to hurt her, upset her, and then like the stuff she goes through already, like you guys are seeing it for ten years. I'm like that, That's why I get really reactive, right see, anyway I can do it with her. I want to react and save the world from her now and it gets me in trouble. You know, here we are. But now, when we first came onto the scene, it definitely rocked the boat of how I was really kind of just like short with my words shooting from their hip. And so I definitely need to learn that. And I think it's a lesson for everyone to see, especially once you see yourself on TV. Guys.

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Speaker 1: It's like the perfect mirror.

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Speaker 3: It's just like no one wants to see that. They're like, did I say that? I didn't do that? Did I? But you did? You did? And you got to look at it and then you think about it, say here we are.

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Speaker 1: And then you do it and you've got to deal with the guilt and all that, and then relive it however many months later where you're like God and we've all moved past it. But then you get to see what everyone said about you and then you're just triggered it all over again.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this a lot of people. Well, the last time people saw you and I together was last year at the reunion, all right, and I initial he reached out to you, Brock and said, I want to do a podcast episode where we can squash the beef basically, and even though you and I have done that, I also want to create a safe space for you to kind of let people see who you are because I've had the luxury of getting to know you over the past what has it been eight months? Ten months? And you are number one. Let's talk about the cooking. He's a terrific all right, you're a cook, You're a chef, so bombed a chef Burgers, No, it is bomb so like that stole my heart as well as seeing him with his daughter, seeing him with Sheena. But what was what was last year like for you?

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Speaker 3: It was a roller coaster and you can say that in the actual literal term of like there were so many highs, there were so many lives and at the end of the ride, you're kind of like left like this scene there, like what just what was that you know, especially when you I thought so much, I had so many values of myself. I have so many like standards that you set for yourself, and then when you get when you see yourself back on TV, when you go through all these experiences of for everybody, I couldn't be prepared for that, you know. I thought I'd handle it in the most appropriate way throughout the season where I just turned around and I spoke about my truths and I left it at that. And that was the hardest part, was realizing I actually have to talk about this in public, because before we ever had any conversations like this, and when we even spoke about it, when the first started talking about my kids, it was on me. I spoke about it with Randall, yourself and Shina when we were out in Pump Springs, and at that point in time, I felt and I felt like, oh, this, it's just like I wanted to address the elephant and room like I do have my two kids and I've never been I'm never ashamed of him. I'm not any of that, and then try and hide that I was more ashamed of kind of my actions towards how I ended up in my situation. And I guess I never really spoke about that because who I don't. You know, it's a hard thing to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard thing to talk about and all. So it's such a private and delicate topic that you only want to speak about that in a safe environment, you know. Yeah, and thanks to me, I just I was like, safe environment means the world?

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Speaker 2: Did you think of that though, Brock, I'm curious as a viewer, you're bringing up your kids. Did you think this isn't necessarily yeah, right now it's just a couple of us, but it's not going to be within a few months.

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Speaker 3: You know. That was where I get I'm very not naive in the situation of the show. I really felt like that is a part of my life. I'm not ashamed of my past. I wish I could have done things differently, but that was a part of That's a chapter, a big part of my life. And so when we started, when we started talking about it, I was like, now we'll keep it up. I don't want to talk about it, like, let's try and avoid. But that was for my own protect that was for everyone. But you know what I mean, I didn't know why I wanted not to talk about it because there was something there. Well, for the biggest one was because my ex was never going to approve of us in a conversation about it then now different story, but then it was kind of like we weren't even talking, and so to kind of have the conversation about my ex how they feel about the kids, I always felt like I was never entitled to have those conversations, and so when when I was briefly talking about the kids, I'm like, yeah, we don't see each other. I really wanted to kind of like set the standard, like I understand a separation and a new partner with a kid. With Lala and Randall when we had this conversation. Now, I think that was kind of the environment I was in. I forgot that this is the show that you guys have. It's just like such an imprint on people and people in print to every one of you, yourself, to La La, to even all the cast members. People find they find their people within you when you watch the show. And so the biggest one was like the aftermath of once the stuff started coming out was kind of like, wow, the impact that I had on many people positive and negative, but you always read the negative, right, and so that negative it always gets there. I was, yeah, that was Greenhorn, but I just didn't expect that, you know, that was the biggest one.

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Speaker 1: Did Sheina warn you like before going into this situation, because you know she and I've always said, has one of the best hearts in the entire world. Sometimes Sheena goes into things and she leads with her heart and doesn't think about because it's not natural. It's not natural to think about what everyone is going to think that's watching because in real life we just live. Yes, right, we're not worried about what Catherine in freaking South Dakota thinks because who the fuck is she? But guess what, Catherine from South Dakota got an opinion and she's gonna be sliding into your dms, riding on every freaking ig blog. You don't think about that stuff. Did she say to you the internet is a crazy place. I need to know what's going on with you and your situation because it could very well be brought up on camera, and we got to be prepared.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was definitely up. We didn't have that conversation in detail, but it was more of like, I know, you don't want to talk about your kids, so don't talk about them. And I was like, okay, cool. And then so here we are in Palm Springs and I'm like, oh yeah, I get it, and we talked about it, and I was like, all right, look like I didn't want to continue this conversation. But then obviously from that it brought up concerns for yourself, it brought up other people's concerns, and so I understand now looking back, people still want to know that story. Regardless of how bad it was or everyone's how it happened. People still now curious, like, Okay, then what is that situation? Because they're invested into you guys, and I didn't know that. I didn't realize the impact you guys have on the world.

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Speaker 1: So do you feel comfortable in a cliff note version talking about how old you were when you when you had your first two kids and what led to where you are today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could do it a cliff night version. I was very young when we met. We were like sixteen when we first met in the high school sixteen seventeen sorry, and then and then through that we started dating. Then we're off and nine we're doing the high school breakup get back together stuff, and then we actually fully split when I moved to Europe to play rugby. And then when I was in Europe, I flew her over. She had a boyfriend at the time. I was like, well, here's a flight. She came over. We caught it quits. I remember that day we said, look, we traveled around. It was very a good breakup. Actually were like, we traveled around the world and we're in front of the Notre Dame in France for the last week I was playing in France and we're like, this doesn't work, Like we're not happy with each other. And then the next day was when we found out that she was pregnant. That night we went out to dinner and we went out to our friend's dinner and then she was like across from us and she was like, oh, my boobs, and then all the girls kind of screamed and all the rugby boys we were like, okay, went home, did a pregnancy test and we found out we were pregnant with my boy Eli wow, and so we had a conversation, We're going back to Australia that next week, and so we went back to Australia and during that it was kind of like step up to the plate. I was raised the Mormon. I talked to my mom, you gotta stay but and so we did. We ended up going back to France for a complemel So I was nineteen at the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, baby baby.

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Speaker 3: So we did that. We went back to France together. We lived there for half that season. Things were going to well with the rugby club financially, they went under and so then that kind of put a lot of pressure on us and all the rugby players internationally. And then we went back to Australia. I was in a midlife crisis only at like twenty one at this time, I had a professional career. I just lost it, have a kid, and then we're in a very toxic relationship. And it's not for that. She traveled the world and gave it all up for me to live my dream. And that was the bigger pressure was having my partner there in a different country, just supporting one hundred percent. So she didn't have her things, she didn't have her time or anything like that, and that was kind of a big pressure for both of us. Yeah, and then so when we went back to Australia during that period, of time. I moved, we broke up, we got back together, we went to council and then the councilor was like, you guys don't need to be together, right, He's like you definitely, this is too far gone, Like there's so much animosity towards each other that you're better off being apart. So we separated. And then as we were separating, still trying to like backwards and forwards, we found out we're fourteen weeks pregnant with our little girl.

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Speaker 1: That can I tell you, that's when it happens because passionate relationships will do a quote unquote passionate relationships which are usually yes, yeah, but it's like the explosion of a fight is so passionate that the makeup us yeah, you know, and people that's when a lot of babies are can see.

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Speaker 3: It was, it was, it was. It was definitely a surprise for both of us.

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Speaker 2: What's the age difference between them?

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Speaker 3: Just they're a year years and year close, so close. Yes, we had you lie. We moved back to Australia and then we had that situation pop up. And at that point again it was like we went we got an ultrasound, We saw a full lown baby. It wasn't like a fetus anymore. She was fully developed in this growing her best life. So we were at fourteen weeks. So that was a point where we decide how did the stay separated? But we're going to figure out how we go the next steps, but we're all broken up. I was in a different state and then during that time, during that time, I had an argument with her dad over the phone, and that's when the domestic violence order got brought in. And then they related back to our three four year history of just angry fighting with each other. Two back to when we were nineteen and we got into an argument and I did slap her. Yeah, it wasn't the cause of the domestic violence, but it should never have happened. And so that way, when I speak about that, I know I should never have done that, and it's the one time I have. And then in the domestic violence order, what was brought up was kind of my background of being from New Zealand, my parents being split up, my domestic violence when I was growing up, so they kind of like leaned into all these things. And then I wasn't in court to appeel it when they served me with the papers. I wasn't present because I didn't get served. The officer serving me, and this is ridiculous. The officer serving me was out of the country on holiday, so the papers sat on this table. He comes back, lets me know that I didn't appear in court, so it's been it's been upheld, so I need to apply for a court appearance to get it dropped. We go to the court four months later and it gets dropped. I submit my evidence, He understands we got dropped, and then we started talking again. I got to see my little girl, I got to spend some time with Eli. And during that four month breakup period we were I was already transitioning to go what happens if I can get a work out in the NFL? And so that was kind of where I was like, I'm not I can't play rugby this season. Where can I go play professional sports somewhere? What can I do? And obviously she was in a new relationship it still is with the same guy. And this is a very important message that never got shown or talked about because I didn't want to talk about their relationship. Now that now that we've made up and we're actually talking legend of a guy. And from the beginning when they started dating and I was out of the picture, he stepped up to the plate. He's always been there for the two kids. And that was where our period of time I'm not seeing him. Once I moved to America, he stepped up to a point where they don't They didn't need to have me or my mom or my family sitting around going oh, how's the kids, because it's kind of antagonizing to their parenting, right, And so cliff note fast forward. As we went through that period of the relationship where that kid I moved to America, it just grew bigger and bigger apart because I wasn't there and the kids had somebody there. And then never let the conversation came up with his family. And then where you're not stepping up, you say you are, but you're not. And in my head, it's fun because it's hard because when we've talked about it on the show with everybody watching, I've never spoken about that period ever, And in my head, I was like, yeah, I'm working on it, I'm doing it, But I never internally processed the damage I did, the damage that affected the kids and what all of that. I never took that into account, you.

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Speaker 1: Know I have and obviously with my situation, and you hear a story like that, and you want to say, like, why didn't you fight harder? Why didn't you give more of a damn? And what I'm hearing with this is you made the best decision for those two kids. How is their life going to be fulfilled with stability consistency and that is very important for children. And if you felt like it was the best decision, and the mom their mom felt like that was the best decision, it sounds like you two agreed on this.

00:27:22
Speaker 3: I guess we agreed on it, But I took it as like you're not going to you know, I took it as the immature version of like, oh, you're gonna take me, Like this guy's not going to rate, Like I was really upset about not having access, but at the same time, I knew deep down that that was the best thing for the kids and it still is. And say like that was the hardest thing for me to kind of remind myself, like, Okay, I'm their dad, but I'm not the right person to raise these kids. They're in a good situation with somebody that is treating them like their own kids. They have now a little sister, and he's been around the whole time. He's taught and it was just like it was. It wasn't an ego trip. It was just it was just hard to get my head wrapped around fact that, you know what, I did have two kids, but I wasn't a good dad for them.

00:28:04
Speaker 1: You know, I think that being being a dad or a mom, that's not a right, that's a luxury. You don't just get the title of a dad because you shot some sperm. You don't get you don't just get to be a father, you know. I agree, Yes, So I think you saying that, you know, you were obviously very young, and we can sit here and say this is what you should have done, and we can go back and forth all day long. The bottom line is how are the two children doing? Right? Yes, it's about I think I think about this all the time because obviously my world blew up and you want to think that everything is cookie cutter. But at the end of the day, take all the shit out of it with both parents, what is going to benefit these kids so they can go out into the world and not have you know, years and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of fucking therapy to get over the traumas that the parents have caused. And so I respect the decision that you made. I respect their mom, and I am wondering do they know like, do they know you?

00:29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah? So that was the harder part because once we started reconnecting and talking to them, Wins had no problem coming up on the FaceTime and being like hey, like how aya, But then Eli didn't want to, and he's still it's still at a point where he does because for him I was a big influence with them, and when it wasn't around he was three, but he still knew that and he still felt that. So we're still working on that relationship. The rule is it's up to the kids, and so me and their mother text backwards and forwards. I just check in on them how they're doing. And Trevor, their kids stepdad is this or their dad is an absolute legend. He's like, well, grab a beer when you're in town, Like not a problem, Like, let's not make this a thing. Let's just move forward, which is what I was doing. I was making it a thing, wasn't I I was? I was avoiding the hard things. I was like, yeah, younger to thought that out. And then after this came out, and once it came out on the show, it really just came at me with like I was like, well, I just have to do it. I can't just sit there and say I'm doing something. I'm going to take care of this. How do I fix this? How do I step How do I solve the problem that I close for myself instead of just putting it off and prolonging that hortshit between me and my ex And now we're at a better place. So the fact that we're like, we're homies, but she respects that I said sorry, She respects all of that. And then at the same time, I just I'm so happy that the kids have her.

00:30:34
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled about it, and I love where you are right now. And you know, people can give you all the advice in the world, but a situation like that, every situation is so complex and there's so many little nuances where it's like you can't even give advice or say what you would have done because you really don't fucking know. Right, Yeah, you do the best you can with the situation that maybe you created for yourself that was handed to you. And you know, Brock and I have spoken about this a lot. In my mind, I was coming from a place because I didn't know you well, and I know Sheena and you know her picker just like my picker has been off on many occasions and where you're waving red flags in our faces and we're like, what hit pink to me? Color blind as fuck? Yeah, And so I wanted to protect her because her heart is so pure, right, My main goal in all of it was just protection. In her mind, she's like, I found the man of my dreams and now the father of my child? What are you doing? Laala? Like, shut your fucking mouth. Hindsight, maybe I should have shut my mouth, Maybe I should have approached it in a different way. But again, you just do the best you can with whatever situation you're in.

00:31:50
Speaker 3: And this old perspective and all informational, right, that word perspected, it's a killa. It's a real thing. Like we can look at this newspaperodical in front of us, and we can look at from different angles early times. Yeah, there's only one hour and you to read this one right here, that's right. But in a life and I think we get offended by somebody else's perceptions. Sometimes we don't and it's like wow, and it's like no one is, no one's in it. They gets so crazy like America and I love it here, but there's a different world outside of America on top of that. So you add cultural differences and all that, and it's like I love everyone about in Australia, Like, oh, you could have had the same in Australia, but I'm telling you, guys, you have an accent and driving America, you're going places in Australia, I'm just like a trade that's digging holes and having a chat and getting off of like that's it. I haven't. It's iny at ten o'clock, like it's it right. But over here you can have there's opportunities. And that was a hard one for everyone. Well what about it's not a cop out, bro come to America. I left my family to try to get out of the hole, which which was low income my mom was. We lived in projects, we lived in low income areas, and the only reason I got out of that was because my last two years of school I got off at a bought scholarships. So that was my way out, what would it be? My education horrible case in point. I never was good at school, suffered from it a lot, and so growing up I thought I was either going to be a dairy farm on my whole life, which is what my stepdad did and still does, or that was it. There was no other option for me. It was building, it was construction. It was trade work, hard work, and to get into it, and I'm a fan of hard work. But then when I had the opportunity to play rugby at nineteen or eighteen i started playing that, I was like, oh, this could be a career to get my family out of the projects, you know, And so that was the driving force behind it. And since eighteen when I realized like I could put my body and my skills. I was never the talented, but I'd know i'd work hard at it, and that was the vision I've always had. And then within that big vision, there was sacrifices and losses that I stepped out on. But I think it's very perspective and unfair for people to be like, well what about this when you people don't understand, People don't really get. And even when I came at you and I was ripping your head off. When I was pissed off in the show, I was like, bloody rain drivers and Beverly Hills is not normal because for me it was a perspective of where I came from.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no, I do know. People can sit there and it's like if you you can't weigh in on if you if you were born and raised in the United States and you grew up a certain way, it's hard for you to understand, like what Brock is saying, if you've never been to Australia in the situation he was placed in, you can't say you could have done that in Australia. How the fuck do we know what you could or couldn't do in Australia.

00:34:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's not ripping on ipswich And if everyone's listening from back home from ipswitch, I love it, Pepe, but listen, bro it's not that if you know where are you? Yeah, if you know, you know. And I think with time and just understanding that and learning, there's no playbook in life. And I think that's the best reason why podcasts are so great, because people want to hear everyone else's experiences. They want to hear another perspective, and then they're going to get go on to those same perspectives around them so they can kind of find similarities in it. Yeah, and reality is there's that many and not going to always agree and look at look at the world we're in right now.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we just and I talk about that a lot, like perspective and people coming from different areas, and just we so often judge people just based off of what you see in front of you, without thinking about what that person has been through to get them to where they are. And if we don't vibe with someone, we have to at least respect the trials and tribulations they've gone through to get to where they are. Let's find common ground. I feel like we've done that. And by the way, range Rovers and being in Beverly Hills, I mean, I'm not from anywhere that's you know, I grew up in a very privileged area, but I certainly wasn't driving around in range Rovers, you know, as a ghost ride in the fucking Ford Expedition. You know, my friend's going to private school and you had a car, you had wheels.

00:36:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, I used to love I used to love my story, this one story of my mom is like, Mom, can I go to the movie theater. She's like, yeah, you can go to the movies. And the movie ticket In Australia, a ticket to the movie is eight dollars. Popcorn might be like two three dollars, and then like a ticket, it's like three dollars, so to go to the movies. But Mom, yeah, it's I get ten bucks to go to the movies. She's like, hey, you go. And then so I get given ten dollars to go to the movies, but I still have to pay for my train ride and figure it out. So this was my thing. I used to go from Mipswich to injur Pilly, jump on the train. If like the train inspector's gone on, I got off and I got back on the next trainer. I'd run off and then you jump on another carriage and just get there to jump the train. And then and then when I get to the get to the movie theater, I'd buy my ticket. And then when people would finish a movie, they would have their refill coupons on their popcorn and they throw them away. So I pull out of the trash, grab the refund copon, go up to the front of it. Can I get a fresh box and you get free popcorn? But that was that was that was just like it is what I wanted to go with my friends. I wanted to keep the normal, normal things with my friends after school or on weekends. But that was how I did movies.

00:37:07
Speaker 1: Then this is fascinating trends going through garbage.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, what that's what it is. Trash is another man's free pop ports.

00:37:15
Speaker 1: Right.

00:37:16
Speaker 2: Okay, So then with your it sounds like you and Sheena probably had different upbringings or grew up a bit differently a little bit. Do you think that that plays and how you raise summer?

00:37:27
Speaker 1: Have you had to work that question?

00:37:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, this is this is the question. This is out life.

00:37:32
Speaker 1: By the way I've seen it, I've seen her.

00:37:34
Speaker 3: Because we're both like we're doing it for the best of the best, yes, and the ultimate outchemist to teach her the best of us, to be honest. But yeah, we definitely a conversation. You should definitely have more than after six months of having a conversation with somebody dating. You need to have those conversations because you're you're it's so fun. We get to imprint on her, like we literally, and I'm in a different situation when I was when I was nineteen, Yes, I know for a fact I still was doing good things. But now I'm in a different position to actually just enjoy those moments. But it's definitely hard.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, I know. Sheena Sheena like baby baby, baby, Baby's her baby. Obviously, you know she's she suffered a miscarriage. Summer is her. She has been through what many women have been through. I can't relate, but she is just that is her angel, right, not saying it's not Brocks, but Brock is, like she's tough.

00:38:33
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lie. Parenting back in the day had some lady. You gotta yeah, Parenting back in the day was ruthless. We were, and I think we're realizing now the impact that that has on everybody, you know, especially with especially with this like what's the word I'm trying to say, just with kind of like the mind fuckery, the impact that really has on us, right, And so we had to we had a family argument slash open table, because this is the best part about me is my family. I'm the youngest of five, my mom was with the youngest with my dad. He had all five kids, and when I was three two and a half, they split up, and so that rocked my whole family. Were born into the Mormon Church, born and raised in New Zealand and good old Mormons, and say we're the family that has.

00:39:21
Speaker 1: A split parent, definitely looked down upon.

00:39:25
Speaker 3: And then so my eldest brother, at the age of eighteen was an Olympic swimmer. He was doing water polo for New Zealand. He was crushing it then and then he found a girl and then started partying and then ended up in gangs and ended up in jail for doing the stupid things stealing cars and this guy down the wrong track. And then my other brother underneath them, when my parents split up, it affected him differently. He ran away at home at fourteen and we're half moldy, but he's running around with like gang members and doing dumb things in and out of juvie, stealing and doing dumb things. So and then my other sister that that separation affected her because she ended up being an alcoholic at like twelve or thirteen. Wow, and so now she's like eighteen years sober.

00:40:07
Speaker 1: Now, oh my god.

00:40:08
Speaker 3: So that's why that's like like sobriety when James and all that. For me, I'm just like, I don't want to like overstep because I don't know that. But yeah, my sister's eighteen years sober. Wow, and I think she I think she might be nineteen coming up to twenty. Like she's crushing it, crushing. And so then there was me and my sister, the youngest two that just saw a whole that I saw a whole family crumble from all of that, and so I just learned from their mistakes. I never touched a drug until I was like twenty, till I end on America and finished football and that was the end of that closure.

00:40:33
Speaker 1: Like America's great.

00:40:35
Speaker 3: Who what is this cannabis?

00:40:36
Speaker 1: You know?

00:40:37
Speaker 3: And even when I talk about it with my mom, she gets she's like, oh, drugs, it's bad. It's like it's better than pharmaceutical. But anyways, have.

00:40:45
Speaker 2: Your has your family met?

00:40:47
Speaker 1: Summer?

00:40:47
Speaker 3: So my mom and my two sisters, have my two older brothers. They're ones in New Zealand, ones in Australia. They have not yet got. Hopefully at the end of this year we're going to get back to Australia because the pandemic was the real thing. But my mom and the sister, they're actually at my house right now with summer. They for the wedding. So they're here for the wedding. And I picked my mom up two days ago, my sister yesterday, and then my other sister comes in tomorrow and then we've got the wedding and then yeah, that's that's the best part. But that's my family, right, And so like when I talk about perspective, like that's where mine comes from. Like I don't want to and I feel like I just want to retire my mom. I needed her to stop working. She's a prison officer. I don't know if I haven't bragged about that enough.

00:41:25
Speaker 1: She is.

00:41:25
Speaker 3: She's a prison officer still still is.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: So she grew up and the inmates call her mom.

00:41:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:41:32
Speaker 2: Is it in all women's prisoners prison.

00:41:35
Speaker 3: Or men's men's max start. Yeah. So she grew up with my dad. She was working in like retail for her whole life, dude retail, worked at like a makeup artist, like we go into like those norserooms, and that was my mom. And then like and then she was like, I want to change, So she applied for the police force and that and then she ended up getting a government job at the men's prison. She's been there for like nearly twenty years now.

00:41:57
Speaker 1: And she tough. Is she a tough woman?

00:41:59
Speaker 3: She she's a strong woman. Yeah, she's strong. Like she's like she's like she's strong and she just like she's so much. I'm so proud of her, Like she just carries her and then she just works her use off. So I want to That's my goal is take care of my family because I learned all my lessons from them and if that meant maybe those sacrifices I thought up, they were appropriate at the time I did that, and that was with work, that was with football everything. So but that's that's kind of like, that's my perspective of life is because we did come from that. I remember, you know, when we're growing up. My mom had to buy our house and that was the first house she brought by herself. And I had money in the bank because I lost my finger when I was four. And so every year I get I got, I get a check because I'm sixteen percent whole body incompetent, Like my limb is never going to grow back.

00:42:44
Speaker 2: What wait, what is this? I don't know this story.

00:42:47
Speaker 1: What what know?

00:42:50
Speaker 2: No to wait, let me see you. I see okay, brock, I had no idea you only had four fingers.

00:42:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I tell her when it was a crocodile. But I guess I could tell everyone in the real.

00:43:00
Speaker 2: Story that's here for anyone.

00:43:03
Speaker 3: We do the crocodile story or the real story the real store. So we grew up on the dairy farm. And then one afternoon I was in the yard and it's a circular yard, and there's a pin in the middle of a gate, just like a clockhand, and as it rotates around, it pushes the cattle onto the table to get milked. And when it gets to about seven o'clock, there's a side gate and you take the bulls out of the side because you don't want the bulls to go onto the milking table because you can't milk a ball. Yeah, stupid, my prospective. Everybody, there's me, four and a half years old, walk past this big bull and I walked raight past them to get him out to the side. So I walked behind him and as every day I go kiss and I kind of like clack my hands like come on, get out, and instead of him getting up it started at him and he kicked me, and so I fell back onto the gate that was behind me, and it just so happened that the cover was off, and then I rolled my hand in and it rolled in like gears, caught my hand and then it crushed crushed my first finger okay, flangie number one, my pointer okay, and a bit of the two. But then it actually crushed all of my hand in. So they had to do like bone graft, skin graft. It was hectic. That was wild.

00:44:14
Speaker 1: Do you wash your entire hand?

00:44:17
Speaker 3: Yeah? I went to the well, we're on the farm, so we had to go to the vet in town. Well, this is rural. I had to go to the vet and then they wrapped it up in a bandage and then I had to get airlifted to the hospital, which was like two hours away.

00:44:31
Speaker 2: Do you remember feeling pain or were you in shock?

00:44:33
Speaker 3: Never? Pain, but I remember talking about it over and over at there was the widest white I've ever seen in my life, which was my bone, and then there was a point. Yeah, it's it's it's gnally.

00:44:45
Speaker 2: What does it have to do with your liver though, or is that different? Did you say liver?

00:44:49
Speaker 3: No, just like just how I was raised.

00:44:51
Speaker 1: No, I thought, limb okay, okay.

00:44:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back to how I was raised. So that happened when I was four and a half, and then since then, for the rest of my life, I get like one thousand dollars a year. I was like, cool, I'll take that whatever like that, I mean whatever, yeah, And so that was going into my bank account for like ten twelve years. So I had like, like, what was that ten to twelve thousand dollars? And so I remember my mom was buying her first house and she was short, and then she cried to me. She was like, I need to use your money to buy the house. I was like, it's fine, I owned these four bricks right here. But that was just that's just my mom, Like she deserves everything, and she's taking care of five of us, you know, and unfortunately for her, she wears her burdens through us our mistakes, she carries them as her own. And so like when this came out, I couldn't tell my mom to stay off social media because she cannot help herself, and I just destroyed her more. And so this made that kind of like, yeah, do you.

00:45:51
Speaker 2: Do you regret asking or anything? Lala or is it just one of those things where you're like, we could only do what we could do. At the time, I thought it was I thought it was appropriate, and I thought I was trying to protect Sina.

00:46:06
Speaker 1: I would have I would have done it very differently. I would have I would have pulled her aside and asked her and, you know, said are you good? Do you know about this stuff? I just would have I would have done it very differently, just differently. I don't want to say that I wish I wouldn't have brought it up, especially now with the situation I'm in. I'm very like I used to be protective of women, I am like beyond protective of women now. So I think had it happened after my situation, I would have been much more delicate, got it. Yeah.

00:46:46
Speaker 3: You know.

00:46:48
Speaker 1: A lot of people, especially Sandoval, like to say that I'm on my high horse. Everyone needs to get over it. Me and the horse that's high are connected, right, I'm not falling off. I'm on doors. I enjoy it. I am fallen off. But I would have done it differently, Okay, Yes, yeah, And I probably would have had the I would have probably brought Brock into the situation as well, to say I'm concerned about my friend, even though you don't owe me anything, just give me peace of mind for my friends. Let's just talk it out. Instead, it was more aggressive.

00:47:25
Speaker 3: And unfortunately that's how that's how I feel like when the cameras are up, they kind of like encourage that they're not going to be like, hey, you should have like a side conversation. You know, you kind of feel like, well, I got to tell you how I feel because other people feel like this, and that's that's that's like the trouble when cameras go up sometimes not. And I realized that after watching you know, the worst thing to do was watch those last five episodes in twenty four hour span before the reunion, Yeah, because then I'm just sitting here just sezing, so you man on top of like the first half of like okay, oh here we go. Yeah, and it just hit me. So when I went into that reunion, I don't know what. First off, I should never have been in this view, I should never have been at that reunion. I should never have been a main cast member season one. First off, because I mean, you got the best of me, you got all of there and that was raw, but like I didn't know how to handle myself. And so when I was in there, even Laa said she's like brocks someone because like I was just I did it and then she wasn't there you could be a person. So there I am just yelling at a TV because I'm hurt and it's just like he's crazy. Yeah, And that was like that was my downfall because obviously if I could have taken a second to understand that, you know what that happened. And I'm angry at myself, but I'm taking it out on La La. I'm taking it out on everybody else. I wish I had that common sense because I know that's within me to have that kind of temper to slow down and be aware of that. But I didn't have it that day, and it did not come across it.

00:48:56
Speaker 1: You know the r I so I could tell you were on tang you had ever right to be on ten. I was going through my own ship. There was like the bigger things happening in my life than what this reunion was. I was kind of zoned down. Yeah, but I shake things off pretty quickly. When people say I'll forgive you, but I'll never forget. It's like, well, then what's the point of forgiving me, because if you're never going to forget, like that doesn't make much sense to me. I literally forgive, forget, move on clean slate. So during that moment, it was like, what, I may feel some type of way, but I'll shake it off pretty quickly, did you, guys, I'm no stranger to going.

00:49:31
Speaker 3: Off on because because I also say because my problem with that was like I never gave my I never gave myself time to understand what you were dealing with. Hey, because we also didn't realize what we were.

00:49:42
Speaker 1: Dealing with, right, you know, until we read all times.

00:49:45
Speaker 3: You know. But yeah, so that was that was another one. We didn't realize that on top of it. But I didn't even I didn't even make it available in my thought process to be like what are you going through? Because I was so hurt, I was so pissed, and it was it was you know that I think the biggest lesson for me from that it is like when you feel like I'm in that, when I'm hurt, I needed people need to do better, and being like why are you really hurt? Because it's not for any of this it's because you're not happy with your actions from back and then, but just don't repeat it. So me being angry in that situation didn't help.

00:50:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm the perfect person to go off on.

00:50:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I mean you can. I feel like we have our moments, but at the same time, in real world we kind of like dustle off our shoulders because reality is, if there's a problem, you're the problem because it's not my problem. Because you're thinking it not me. It sounds like you have a problem. I'm walking this way right, But in that I had a problem and I should have just walked on from it and be like perfect, whatever, what's the problem.

00:50:39
Speaker 1: I think it's good to purge. I think it is true.

00:50:41
Speaker 2: Did either of you reach out to the other after, because obviously, like you said at the reunion, tensions were high. Was there a moment where one of you reached out to the other and we're like we have to talk.

00:50:50
Speaker 1: I think, brog didn't you reach out to me? I believe you sent me a text that said that you were sorry, and right after that it was like we're good, bro.

00:51:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah, I think I think I did reach out just because like once I once you see yourself, you're like, yeah, yeah, and look and I get it. And the response I got on social media was valid. You know, our audience. And this is another thing you didn't even take ano account because I didn't think of it as a show. I literally I thought of it as she and a close friends and we get to have this opportunity to do these great things. And that's what I was was enjoying now. I was like, this is such a fun season. You know, the audience that watches it, the majority of them are females, you know, you know, and then they want to be represented properly, especially in twenty twenty two. And so that's like a big one to be aware of, you know, around the world, Like there is a change happening and it's a positive change. And so my ignorance didn't help that movement, you know, And I respect that and I understand that, and so I want to make sure I can be more aware of that. You know.

00:51:53
Speaker 1: I love that. We love growth. I love a good growth.

00:51:56
Speaker 3: Girlth it's also good for everyone else to learn these too. Don't make the same mistake card. It's hard to say that learn from all the people, but that's why we get to talk about it.

00:52:06
Speaker 1: Yes, we're all out in these streets, just doing the best.

00:52:08
Speaker 3: We fund swing it.

00:52:11
Speaker 1: To survive. I love it, Rock. Thank you so much for being on the podcast being so open about your past. You're a fucking champion, dude.

00:52:19
Speaker 3: Love you, honey. It's been great. Thanks for talking. And uh, let's live on the summer. It's gonna be a good summer.

00:52:24
Speaker 1: I love it. We're headed to Mexico. I love you guys so much. I'll catch you next week.