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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Marvin kept telling me that Klay Thompson and Megan the Stallion that that was going to last. And I told you it wasn't gonna last, Marvin.

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Speaker 3: I had hope for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't he rename his boat the SS Stallion?

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Speaker 4: I do not know they.

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Speaker 2: I probably follow this a little too much, but Megan the Stallion is really upset with Klay Thompson. It's not ending pretty there. Yes, Paul, I.

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Speaker 5: Hadn't heard about any of this. This is wild. I knew they were dating.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they were in love. But uh, yeah, I think he named his boat. Now you can paint over that.

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Speaker 5: That's an easy fa Yeah, with the next girl friend, you don't have to give up half the boat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Dylan.

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Speaker 6: If they were like tattoos boat names, You're like, well, I guess I'm either tattooing over this one. She actually she was doing a Moulin rouge I think on Broadway or something, and she tapped out early.

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Speaker 2: I think she's having a tough time. Yeah, yeah, but uh she is Aaron some dirty laundry. You like to say, we somehow make this smooth segue to Jamal Crawford. He gets along with everybody, and you want to weigh in on Megan ve Stallion and Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 7: Hey, the boat still has a cool name either way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but then people would be like, oh, what's a Stallion? I mean, then you have to answer it's now you can say, well, they call me the Stallion. You don't have to bring up Megan the.

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Speaker 7: Exactly if Dan Patrick knows about that story, I'm sure other than as will.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I have to apologize, Wow, because I dismissed your ball handling skills because I always looked at you as a scorer, right, and Marvin would send me videos of you playing in summer leagues or in NBA games, and I he jogged my memory and I'm like, oh my god, you got handles that are probably amongst the top ten handles in NBA history.

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Speaker 8: Thanks so you believe me, So I should thank Marvin for what happened. Yes, yes, Mark, thank you, Thank you for Dan knows about you know, Meg and Clay, but not about the handles.

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Speaker 2: Of who has a better handle than you.

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Speaker 8: I won't say anybody has a better better handle than me, and I won't say I have a better handle than anybody, but there was a realm of people always give Isaiah Thomas his credit, because that's why I watched Growing Up, Kyrie Pistol, Pete White Chocolate. I think like Baron Davis has an underrated he handle this, Steve Francis, a lot of guys like that, Chris Paul.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Kyrie has given credit I think by most people having the best handles, certainly in traffic, which is really want to see your handle in traffic? Anybody can dribble when they're out there by themselves.

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Speaker 7: So who's your top five handles? The better question?

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Speaker 2: Well, I did see Marribage play in person, and he was actually underrated. I think people forget just Pete was so far ahead of his time. Did Magic have a great handle?

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Speaker 8: Not in the traditional sense that we're talking about, like they can shake it. Magic was more angle speeds. He'll bump you who get the angle and he'll speed up, and that's where the showtime Magic was a whole movement. But it wasn't the handle part that I would remember most about him.

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Speaker 2: What about Tim Hardaway?

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Speaker 8: He would be up there, the killer Crossover, the UTEP two step, his crossover was like it was right after Isaiah. So it's still like really in the box. What I mean by that is myself iverson, we drive it outside of our shoulders. So we stayed outside the box harderway Isaiah Thomas. They stayed in the box. But Kyrie does a little bit of both, and that's when makes him ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting when you say in the box, because that's tight quarters and yes, and you're shaking somebody and Timmy's I mean that crossover was killer. Now he would bump you a little bit with his off his off arm.

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Speaker 8: I saw that the summer at Hoops the gym, playing with him and Michael Jordan. He was at the heat at the time. I saw all the bumps and I was a young guy coming up, so we had some battles there.

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Speaker 2: Did Jordan have a good handle?

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Speaker 8: His handle was it was to him like he would surprise you at a crossover. But his footwork was so good that it made the handle better. So he got to a spot and then he up fated started doing his footwork. That's what made his handle special. But it wasn't like the handle like we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: What was the scouting report on Jordan.

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Speaker 7: Don't make him mad. You heard.

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Speaker 8: Don't make him mad. He all personal, everything's personally you know that. Damn I was watching the heard your voice you know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was it. Just don't make him mad.

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Speaker 7: Don't make him mad. I mean, he was just so possessed.

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Speaker 8: And we talked about talent, We talk about people that can shoot or can do this or that. His competitive spirit alone would have beat ninety nine percent of the players who ever played. Just how competitive he was and everything.

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Speaker 2: You worked with Wemby over the summer on his handle, yep, Okay.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I did a couples ago, but he tried last summer and I couldn't. I was actually coaching. But yeah, we were connected for the future as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, are you going to work out with him this offseason?

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Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure what we'll lock in and get if he has time, I mean, if he wants his championship and goes on this run and goes home. But yeah, I'm sure in the future will work together.

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Speaker 2: But what are you working on specifically with Wenbignana?

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Speaker 8: Well, with him, a lot of it was was the handle, of course, but it was the footwork as well, and the footwork translates everywhere. If you at the top of the key with the handle, if you're in the mid post area, if you're by the block. Well, people don't really realize about handle is the ones who are really special with their handle. Their footwork matches their handle. So we work on his footwork every single area. And I have to say he was He probably downloaded things the fastest. Like if I say something, he's like, got it and can do it immediately. People I've worked with before it may take a couple of weeks, a couple of months. He could do it in five minutes.

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Speaker 7: It was. It was I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 2: But what does he need to add to his offensive game?

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Speaker 7: That's a great question.

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Speaker 8: At that time, I thought it was the mid post area because I thought where he was going on the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: I thought, and I'll tell you this because you're I mean a legend, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 8: But when I when he reached out to me, I reached out to Pop and I asked Pop, like, hey, where do you see him going? Because I didn't want him doing my stuff, and they don't want stuff if it wasn't going to finish all right, I didn't want him up there rolling on the ground and doing that. So Pop was like, I want him in that nail area. I want him that Dirk area because I know where we're going. You know, that's the area that's going to get him space and he'll be able to dominate. So that was a huge focus as well, is putting him in those areas. And we watched film. We watched Film and a player. We're going to kind of mimic that night for the second workout.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about guys who changed the game. You mentioned that Magic changed the game. I mean you can go back to probably Bob Coosey change the game. There's certain guys who changed the game when they came along. Steph Curry has changed the game absolutely. I don't know if did Michael change the game because he didn't have that signature like Steph changed. He had more of an impact on basketball than anybody, I think, because everybody thinks they can shoot threes now, nobody thought they could jump like Mike, be like Mike. But I'm just curious the number because Wemby feels like he's going to change the game.

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Speaker 7: To answer the first part, Mike, to me didn't change the game. In a way.

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Speaker 8: He became above the game. It was almost like he transcended sport in a way where you wanted to be like be like Mike. I didn't care what you did, soccer, football, baseball. He inspired boxing, whatever it was. He inspired Exbody Tyson when they ran into each other. But he inspired everybody else in every single thing. So he made you want to be better at whatever you did. So that was Mike. So he was a little bit above the game. Wemby always say this. He was the creative player that created players would create. So for example, if Lebron and Katie were playing two K and like now with the seven three dude, seven four dude who can shoot with handles, who can run like a gazelle like, it would be Wimby. He's the one that they would create to play if they were just playing around the video game.

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Speaker 2: Did Dirk Novinsky change the game?

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Speaker 8: He did from the standpoint of shooting, because at that point, for somebody that shot that good, it was like Larry Bird.

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Speaker 7: Sixty nine six ten. Dirk was.

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Speaker 8: Dirk's championship run is really one of the great ones in recent memory. It was so underrated for what he did and how he did it who he was going against with that great team and at that time, like Jason Terry as sixth man was probably his second best score, right, and then he just kind of put them on their back. And actually that was the person I show a video to Wendy when we're watching Dirk in that finals run. We're watching the areas he was dominating and how he was doing it. But yeah, Dirk changed the game in a small way. I don't think he'll get credit like Steph.

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Speaker 2: Will Yeah, in that mid range. I mean, Kevin Durantz made a Hall of Fame career out of that mid range jumper. And it feels like, and I always encouraged players take it. If they're giving it to you take it, and Durant has done that well.

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Speaker 8: Dan, if I tell you i'm gonna I'm gonna drive you to your studio and you're like, hey, the freeways probably the quickest way, but right now it's a car accident, so it's backed up. I'm gonna get some streets to go through. I'm going to go through the streets. Right now, the mid range is available because everybody's trying to take out threes and layups. It's like the jab in boxing. I think it keeps the defensive honest. Could you imagine if Shay couldn't play in the mid range or Michael Jordan or Lebron or KD And it's funny and the most important times of the season, in the playoffs, nobody talks about all that's a bad shot.

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Speaker 7: It's like, no move that scoreboard any way.

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Speaker 8: You can the best players I've ever seen dominate the mid range because it's hard to double team there and you keep people so off balance with that shot.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Jamal Crawford, I love talking to you and why.

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Speaker 7: It takes so long. Yeah, you're giving Rims all of love right now.

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Speaker 2: You're right, You're right. It's an open invite. And now that Marvin has let me know that I missed out on your handles, God, I can't. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 7: There's you Tube. You can still go back.

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Speaker 2: No, no, Marvin sends me videos. I'm being honest, Yes, Marv.

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Speaker 3: The move against Kirk Heinrich is easily one of the five nastiest moves in the history of the NBA.

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Speaker 8: Mar Marv, I'm gonna tell you this. I played with Kirk and Chicago when he kind of knew how my handle pattern would go, and I made that move up on the fly. I was literally coming down cour saying what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? And I did it? And I was like, what I do? And that's why you've never seen it again, because I never mastered it. It was absolutely on accident. So I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Why has it got to be against a white guy, Marvin, that you're gonna single that out?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm sorry, man, I mean he got Wes Matthews, he got re Allen. I mean he was an equal opportunity.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was an ego opportunity ankle taker. I didn't I didn't care about that.

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Speaker 2: Jason Williams had a that now that was a fun to handle everything about you know, and his ability to pass as well. When you factor that in, you can have a handle. But he was He used his handle to create opportunities, it felt like, for his teammates, and he.

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Speaker 8: Was so fun to watch, Like his entertainment value was just unbelievable, and he had a totally different skip in rhythm to his handle.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you a funny story.

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Speaker 8: When I was a rookie, Chris Webber obviously was playing with Sack at the time, and he knew I had to handle it.

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Speaker 7: Was in the layup line and Chris got Jason.

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Speaker 8: Williams's attention, like, look look at Jamaal and I'm like, almost age. I don't even know combination I did, but I was trying to show Jay will that I had to handle as will and getting was approval.

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Speaker 7: Yeah you can jove off.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I didn't even play that night, but I went home and told everybody, Jay Wilson.

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Speaker 2: I want to add this to NBA terminology. Shots discouraged. Okay, so Wemby, you know, he discourages a lot of shots. They should keep a stat of shots discouraged. And I mean, maybe it's only a stat for Wemby because I love watching him play, but the number of shots that he discourages, not even blocks, but discourages from you even taking the shots.

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Speaker 8: Well, he scares you. He's almost like the big kid as a kid. You have to check his versus to see if he's really that age. Like he said you up, he'll turn his back like go ahead and shoot, No, I'm going to get it. He's like something I've never seen before. And what I figured out about him is working with him. He's a big but he's really a tall guard. Like I thought I was a tall guard at six foot five, and then you saw guys like Durant McGrady who was taller than me, that can really handle the ball, and then he just took it somewhere we never thought would take it.

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Speaker 7: When you see him, Dan, what excites you about him?

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Speaker 2: I just I looked at his touch, you know that when he shoots. I wanted to see form. I wanted to see rotation. I want to see touch. Obviously, the defensive stuff was there. When he first got to San Antonio, I said, you got to get him a point guard to put him in position.

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Speaker 7: To score, right right.

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Speaker 2: We all did, yeah, and it felt like he was he'd get down, you know when you see a deer, you know when it's born, and it's kind of kind of stumbling a little bit. He didn't know where to sit up. And I kept thinking, he's already an A on the defensive end, but he was probably a B minus on the offensive end. And I said, boy, if he ever gets up to where he's going to be the best player in the sport, he'll be the face of the sport and that that's happening maybe a little quicker than people thought, so much quicker.

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Speaker 8: And the way he thinks, like the dinners we went to were even more impressive than the on court work. Like he read fifty books last year and he didn't even tell me that stat So that's a book a week that he read last year. Like he's a brilliant, brilliant young man. It feels like you're talking to somebody much older. But just the way he he's almost like we know the freaky stuff he does with the role player type things he does. He's sprinds every single time he sprints it to a screen. If he doesn't get the ball, he's not mad, he's spritten back. He'll road for rotation like he's Everything he does is like he plays with the energy. He's trying to make the team.

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Speaker 7: Oh, by the way, it's crazy, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: But that's what the NBA should show at the rookie seminar, is that guy wants to play and be great every night. There's no load management. I mean a blood clot stopped him, but not much else. You know, if he gets banged up a little bit, which he will, is a big man. But I love that he wants to play and he wants to be great. He wants to be the MVP. He wants to be the defensive player of the year.

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Speaker 8: To be that young. Just take out the stuff he does, just to be that age. Most guys are just trying to establish himself. He's already so far down the road that he's like, no, I understand my responsibility to the game itself. We have to grow this game. We have to, you know, make this game. Look at the USA versus the World game. He made that single handedly competitive again, to be competitive, like he understands the responsibility. I saw a picture of Joker the last time they played, and Joker went off and they won, But there was a picture of Joker kind of looking up at when he's smiling like, and I said, Joker feels like how we do when we watch him. This is the first time he's like really excitedly. Oh my, I have somebody to keep me again into the game.

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Speaker 7: A different thing.

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Speaker 2: What happens if the Pistons bowl out.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna be honest, I thought they were lose in the first round, and I know Powell's the Seattle guy. I just did because I thought, once you put two on on Cad as good as he is, who else is going to consistently be able to be a playmaker consistently because you need all the playoffs. They want to take out your first two options. Caid's gone. Who else can do it consistently to beat a team? And I wasn't sure they could do it in a playoffs.

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Speaker 7: Eight.

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Speaker 2: Has Peyton Pritchard played in your pro am league?

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Speaker 8: He has not, and he's close by hes in Oregon in the summer. So I tried to get it, but I think I gotta make it happen. I think if I just tell him you only get to shoot shots where the quarters about to end, I think that would.

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Speaker 7: Excite him everything.

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Speaker 2: I said Marvin summer league videos of Peyton Pritchard playing, and he that's why this shouldn't be a surprise what he's doing with Boston, Like if you even in college. He was a great scorer in college. But I would send those videos to Marvin and Peyton Pritchard he's he can be nasty.

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Speaker 7: He absolutely can. You guys are you guys are changing notes?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 7: You're like, okay, here's proper. Let me show you this. Yes, I see what you did.

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Speaker 8: Great because he hied some of his friends, right, and he hired them that play basketball, just the garden of the summer, all different sizes of guys six seven, okay, this guy is six two, this guy sixty four, and he had to figure it out. So it slows the game down for it. That was a brilliant way to train as well. So it makes sense why he's tough to guard.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he hired very it's you know, friends of varying sizes to guard him.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, all they do is for summer and he has to figure it out. Okay, this guy likes to do this. This guy does this and it's it's a huge advantage because you're seeing people from different you know, athleticism, standpoints and everything else.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 7: Always, You're the man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jamal Crawford.

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Speaker 2: The Hall of Famer, he's the Mavericks head coach. Jason Kidd back on the program. Before we get to you, Jason, let me go around the room. If he didn't go to Cow game, where would Jason Kidd have gone to college? Todd, I'll start with you. The Arizona State Sun Devils, Okay, Dylan UCLA, Marvin Kansas, Paul Kentucky I'm going to say the Kansas Jayhawks. You're right, DP, Yep, you were going to Kansas.

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Speaker 4: I was going to Kansas.

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Speaker 2: How did you tell who was it? Who was was Roy Williams there?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Roy was there. At the eighth grade, I went to the KU basketball camp, so Larry Brown was the coach, Danny Manny. They had just won the national championship and so that's that's when I was introduced to KU, and that's where I was going to go until I made the decision to stay home to go to Cal.

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Speaker 2: And I remember you played a game in Allenfield House.

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Speaker 4: We did. We lost the fall got us, but what a great atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when you talk just the.

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Speaker 4: Fans, they definitely have home court. But that's you know, my dad was from there. So at the age of twelve thirteen, I went to basketball camp and I was playing with the eighth graders and then during camp they asked me, but I go and play with the high school kids, and I was all excited. I was going to be playing in allen Field House and unfortunately they took me down the street and I was a little upset that we were leaving the main court, and so I wish I was staying with the Eighth Prayers, but that's when I was introduced to playing with the high school kids.

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Speaker 2: Okay, would you rather have your career or Cooper Flagg's career moving forward?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm going to take Cooper Flag's career.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's going to be one two. He's special when you talk about being drafted at the age of eighteen and now being nineteen. But just the way he carries himself, you know, on and off the floor. His parents have done an incredible job of keeping him humble and hungry, and so I think his career is going to be way better than mine.

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Speaker 2: When did you know that? Okay, he's real.

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Speaker 4: I asked two future Hall of Famers, Curry and Lebron, because he participated with Team USA, and so I wanted to know the truth. And so I went to those two and asked him can Cooper play? And they both said he's very special. And so talking to Cooper, I had him over for dinner and I said, hey, when you were a Team USA, who were the hardest to guard? And he brought up Curry and Lebron, and so I was just like, yeah, those two are hard to guard. But he goes, they just knew exactly what was going to happen before it happened. And I said, that just takes time. But those two are the ones that stood out, and he said those were the hardest to guard. And I asked those two about Cooper and he and they said he's very special. And I thought, you know, listening to those guys, but once he I gave him the ball, you know, early on, I knew that this young man was going to do something special.

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Speaker 2: I think I was critical of you that you had him with point guard to start, and I thought he hadn't played point guard. And I thought, wow, he's going to be the leader of the team, and now you're going to make him a point guard. And I don't know if he struggled a little bit there as a point guard, but when did you know that he could actually be a point forward or whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when you look at you know, sometimes we get caught up in the titles point guard, point forward, it becomes basketball. Can you bring the ball up? Can you make place decision making? And I thought for him, you could see that he understood the game at a very high level at the age of eighteen. But understand, guys, we're going to target him and pick him up full court. And so we wanted to kind of look at speeding up the process. If there's a big game coming in the future, playoffs are playing, well, we have another ball handler if they took ball out of Kai's hand, and so we were trying to think a little bit of a head and it worked out. And it's all right to be critical of someone's decision, but I think it helped the process for next season in years to come that we can rely on him getting us in an offense.

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Speaker 2: You can have Cooper Flagger victor wimbin Yama.

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Speaker 4: Can I have both?

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Speaker 2: You had to tank earlier, you know, to get wemby a couple of years. Yeah, who does he remind you of?

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Speaker 4: He? You know, Kareem a little bit a young a young Kareem at U c l A being so dominant, doesn't have the skyhook, but just athleticism, understands the game. Again, when you talk about these young players, their IQ of understanding how to play the game, and he's one that's playing the game at a very high level. Shoots the three puts the ball on the floor, doesn't have to jump the dunk. Uh, it doesn't have to jump the block shots. And so just understanding he again, he's special, and I think the league with these young stars are in great hands.

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Speaker 2: Has okay see morphed into being a dynasty.

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Speaker 4: This season, this this run, this playoff run, We'll be able to answer that question. If they are the last team standing, I would say, yes.

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Speaker 2: How good are they? Like if we always love to go, Oh, they as good as the Bulls here, or the Celtics here or the Lakers here? Is okay See in that conversation, if they win another I.

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Speaker 4: Think I think if they win another title, they're in that San Antonio Spurs type dynasty.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: Again simple not flash blaze. They they played both sides of the ball, defensively and offensively, and then they have a star and the stars about the team, and so I would look at them more in that San Antonio dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Jason Kidd, the Hall of Famer MAVs head coach, you were with the Lakers two years as an assistant coach, Yes, sir, okay, what's your favorite memory of Kobe?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Favorite memory of Kobe? I think playing with him on Team USA. That was, you know, to be able to be with him for you know, two months, you know, and playing the game. Uh, being able to see him compete in practice and the way he just went about his business was special. The other memory I have is not so so good because I had blonde and I think he he made a jump shot at the free throw line over me. I thought I contested it, but I was coming down and he was still up there. So uh, just just the competition. He loved going against the best. Uh, he wasn't afraid and he was the ultimate winner.

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Speaker 2: But you were there, I mean, you played against everybody did was was Kobe talking trash?

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Speaker 4: Kobe. Uh, if you if you got on his nerves or you were going to talk to him, he was going to talk back a lot of times. For me, it wasn't to talk to the to the stars. I wasn't going to try to get them motivated. I wanted them to kind of like just go through their their routine and get their average and go home. But if you were going to talk trash, he wasn't going to back down, and then he would let you have it. So I tried to go to opposite away just say hi, and you know, see you next time.

00:27:56
Speaker 2: You got in the league at peak Jordan what four.

00:28:01
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, he was. He's special, you know, being able to play against MJ again, uh, the best to ever do it. The one thing I always tell people about MJ is when you bought a ticket that you were going to leave there very impressed and not disappointed. And so you know, if you were at the Garden or you know in Boston, if you were at Golden State, you know, he always performed at a very high level. And so I don't know if people really understood, you know, the performance that he did on a nightly basis, when you paid, you know, you were entertained. He always did something special, and so I always thought he was the best at his job.

00:28:44
Speaker 2: We had Jamal Crawford on yesterday. We're talking about handles. Who had the best handle, and he talked about Kyrie, talked about We talked about a variety of players with great handles, you Tim Hardaway. He talked about guys who had a hand in the box, like Hardaway was in the box where other guys have Iverson had a handle that was outside the box. Who if you're giving me the mount Rushmore. Of best ball handlers, who would you put up there?

00:29:15
Speaker 4: Isaiah Thomas Detroit, Isaiah Kyrie. I'm gonna give you one that a lot of people don't talk about is Rodis Strickland. Who Stricky was, Uh, you know, his handle and his finishing was incredible. I'm gonna go with Steve Nash. Nash Nash was in the box. He only dribbled it twice, but because he was always through passing it. But I thought his handles were tight. Two and then Jamal Crawford, even though he could get outside the box, he can he can embarrass you inside the box too. So I think that's that's Mount Rushmore for me. But those the Isaiah and Kai are the best that I've seen.

00:30:09
Speaker 2: What were the battles like, when you're with Phoenix, you're there, Kevin Johnson's there, Steve Nash is there, so you got three Hall of Fame point guards there? What was practice like?

00:30:21
Speaker 4: It was great because me and Nash got the practice all the time because Kevin was on the sideline reading the newspaper.

00:30:29
Speaker 2: Wait, he didn't practice, Yeah.

00:30:32
Speaker 4: He practiced. He was a vet, so he would practice when he wanted to. But me and Nash got most of the reps.

00:30:40
Speaker 2: But imagine you got three. Did you guys know that Nash could play.

00:30:45
Speaker 4: Yes, Nash is a gym rat.

00:30:46
Speaker 8: I got.

00:30:47
Speaker 4: I knew Nash could play. When I was at COW in Santa Clair. We would have battles, and so understanding Nash's competitiveness, his work ethic is like no other. He's a gym rat. And so for both of us to come off the bench behind Kevin, we got to learn the game. But I knew at once Nash got the opportunity to run his team, he was going to be elite and he was a two time MVP and Hall of Famer. But we did have to come off the bench, and sometimes our minutes were cut because of Kevin.

00:31:22
Speaker 2: You got credit for inventing the you're jumping out of bounds and calling it tight out. But they don't allow that anymore.

00:31:29
Speaker 7: Right, they banned it.

00:31:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, they banned that. I don't know why.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: Okay, how did you come up with that? Uh?

00:31:37
Speaker 4: I looked at it as just having an extra possession, you know, And I don't know if the coach really liked me, you know, burning the time out. But I felt, you know, a lot of times that the possession was important and it was our ball to be able to score.

00:31:51
Speaker 2: But you did this at count I think.

00:31:54
Speaker 4: I probably did it a lot, probably in high school, and probably my coaches didn't like that I was burning timeouts when jumping out of bounce.

00:32:05
Speaker 2: I have a court here in my man cave, but we practice that sometimes where balls going out of bounds and then we catch it and then we do the quick twenty second time out there.

00:32:17
Speaker 4: I wish they would bring the twenty second time out back.

00:32:20
Speaker 2: There's too many timeouts as there is. Jason, you know, have you ever had a timeout where you go I got nothing to say?

00:32:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's real simple, Like what else can I say? Like we can't stop their play or yeah, you guys are rolling. I don't want to get in the way, so let's keep it going.

00:32:44
Speaker 2: Uh is Joker in the top ten of all time category?

00:32:53
Speaker 4: I think when he's done he could be even high as five.

00:32:59
Speaker 2: Where's Steph?

00:33:01
Speaker 4: Steph? Steph is going to be in the top five too. Wow, when you talk about when he's when he decides to retire, Stephan Joker have the opportunity to be in.

00:33:15
Speaker 2: The top five all time durant.

00:33:19
Speaker 4: Our top ten.

00:33:20
Speaker 2: Okay, Lebron two so Mike one, yes, Lebron two, yes, Kobe Kobe three.

00:33:32
Speaker 4: Yes.

00:33:33
Speaker 7: Wow.

00:33:35
Speaker 4: And then if it in, if you had the end of it today would be Joker and Steph danh.

00:33:42
Speaker 2: Okay, you got to take some people out, like are we taking Magic and Larry out of the top ten?

00:33:48
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, well, yeah, they'll be in the top they could be in the top fifteen. It's okay, it's all right. They're still good. They're still really they'll get me wrong.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan top ten, yes, oh that was a quick answer, Shack top ten. Yes, okay, you know you're gonna end up with fourteen guys in the top ten.

00:34:15
Speaker 4: That's okay. We just seven.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: Now it feels like Oscar and Jerry should be together like Magic and Larry. Yes, they should take up one slot.

00:34:26
Speaker 4: I agree with you, DP, I think that they should take up one slot. When you talk about Magic and h and Larry because of what they did for the game for us, I think they should they should be tied together.

00:34:42
Speaker 2: When's the last time you played pickup?

00:34:47
Speaker 4: That's actually when I was assistant in LA I played pickup because Rondo need it. They needed an extra body, so I thought I would jump in there and I tore my miniscus. It was an all bad idea. It was a great idea until until that happens.

00:35:09
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, and.

00:35:11
Speaker 4: I appreciate it's always good to see DP.

00:35:13
Speaker 2: What do you got in the office that I would care about? Like the what's over your left shoulder? The trophy second shelf?

00:35:22
Speaker 10: Right?

00:35:22
Speaker 2: There is this one?

00:35:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the rookie Yes, I would say Cooper Flag's Rookie Year trophy is way better.

00:35:37
Speaker 2: It's nicer, very nice. Do you know? I think I told you this. I changed my vote for Rookie of the Year that year?

00:35:46
Speaker 4: Did you?

00:35:47
Speaker 2: And it ended up a tie with you and Grant Hill?

00:35:51
Speaker 4: You changed it for for me or Grant?

00:35:54
Speaker 2: I think I changed it for Grant.

00:35:56
Speaker 4: Ah.

00:36:01
Speaker 2: I think I changed it that morning that votes had to be in and I go, yeah, I'm back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. Can I change it back now? Can I change it back now? So you would win it?

00:36:14
Speaker 4: No, I'd rather be tied with Grant. I like being tied to Grand Grand had an incredible NBA career, But again that year, I thought he'd wanted to be honest because he had a year and he was putting up big numbers. And so when I got the call that we tied, You're the reason why we tied.

00:36:37
Speaker 2: I know, you should get it half the year, and then he gets it half of the year.

00:36:44
Speaker 4: Shoot, he probably keep it the whole time down, but it was an honor. It was honor.

00:36:52
Speaker 2: Enjoy the off season. Thanks for joining us.

00:36:54
Speaker 4: Hey, I have one thing. Can I just say happy birthday to one of my assistant coaches, Eric Cues. He listens and watches your show every day, Not that I don't, but I just wanted to wish him a happy birthday today.

00:37:07
Speaker 2: Does Eric know about our shooting contest that you bowed out? You know, Jim Jackson didn't believe me when I told him that story. I said, I swear to God, I flew to Dallas to shoot three pointers against you, and you got sick during practice and went home. And Jim Jackson said that I was making it up.

00:37:31
Speaker 4: No, it's true. I got scared and I knew you were a better shooter. But I think we should settle it. I think we're both a little bit older.

00:37:39
Speaker 2: No, you're better now, No, because you you learned how to shoot threes. Yeah, I and I have no mind. You know I can't get you.

00:37:48
Speaker 4: Now, we'll do free throws.

00:37:50
Speaker 2: I could do I could get you at free throws.

00:37:53
Speaker 4: Oh and the may I'll do it at the man Cave. We'll do free thos.

00:37:57
Speaker 2: Okay, you know who can still shoot?

00:38:01
Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, I mean when he's gonna be seventy, he's gonna be able to still shoot.

00:38:06
Speaker 2: It is. It's amazing to watch when we've been shooting around and he just gets there and it is nothing to him to make ten in a row.

00:38:15
Speaker 4: It's it's incredible. The shooting. You know, everybody has a different shot, and his is different, but his is all net and he's incredible to watch shoot too.

00:38:26
Speaker 2: But nobody's close to Steph is the greatest shooter of all time.

00:38:30
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say no one's close. He is number one, and there is a little space. But like Reggie Ray, there are some great shooters that have been in this league. And the young gentleman who came in second Canippo is another one who can shoot it.

00:38:48
Speaker 2: All right, I'll let you go. Great to talk to you again, Thanks Bud.

00:38:51
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Thank you.

00:38:52
Speaker 2: That's Jake Kidd, Hall of Famer Mam said coach. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live hour two on this Meat Friday. Everybody's here. The rectech grills are fired up, and so are we. Dylan doing double duty here sitting in the back row with Fritzy and also trying to monitor the rectech grills. The beauty of it is you can have it on your app and you can change the temperature. If you need to set in and forget it then. So there's Jimmy Tura, Jimmy Churi, wagu Ribbi, tacos, pork carnitas, tacos, lobster tostados, and spicy Miller Lighter ritas. So a margarita with Miller Lite. That's it. All of the meat provided by Heartland Steak Co. Go to the website. There got great deals for you. Taste the Heartland Difference. We'll pick our Kentucky Derby winner coming up. We know absolutely nothing about horse racing. Nothing.

00:40:05
Speaker 10: Now.

00:40:06
Speaker 2: I used to cover the Preakness in the Belmont. I think three or four years in a row that I would go to those races when I was working in New York at CNN, when I was a reporter, I'd go to those and of course you're going in there, and there are certain sports where you know who knows that sport and who's just coming in. And I was one of those guys just coming in because I you know, terminology. You got to make sure you get everything right. You're just I remember talking to the legendary trainer Woodie Stevens, Oh, I think that I'm I'm doing well. You know, I'm kind of holding my own with him, horse racing lexicon language. We get done, and a PR person for the New York Racing Association came up and he goes up, hey, next time, you made a couple of mistakes here, you know, referring to like the Big A aqueduct. And I was saying that, like, oh man, you know out there the Big A. Well, Woody Stevens wasn't out at the Big A, and like just I was in over my head. And then I realized, you know what, just talk about what you know and then let people tell you what you need to know. Instead of me trying to act like oh yeah, you know, he comes out of the four hole. Then I find out that there was a horse who was blind in one eye. Okay, and his name was Patch. So they had a horse who ran in the derby. And this was brought up on the Gambling Podcast yesterday Sammy P who joined us, Oh, by the way, controversy on the Gambling Podcast yesterday because bad Larry quit so shy and irving, it's Dylan Big Day. Ray produces that Sammy P came in, he's a professional gambler and we have bad Larry. Well, bad Larry. Well, this is how it sounded yesterday on DP takes a Gamble, Bad Larry quit. Why don't you take my place? Rights there? Wait? Did you just did you just quit? I offered it to Ray last week. What this is news to me. I'll take it, Sammy take my spot please, So bad Larry please take it the rest of the way. Now he's better than us. Wow you think it was fun?

00:42:44
Speaker 10: Wow?

00:42:46
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, why don't we just keep Larry? I'm sorry we were a burden to you, but.

00:42:50
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you want us at our football Larry, then you have to have us at our palantier offseason.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: Why don't we just hang up on Larry, why don't we just say good?

00:43:00
Speaker 5: That would be great.

00:43:01
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. Larry's done. That was it. After three hundred episodes bad Larry bottles out. Yesterday he did the uh, I'm you don't fire me? I quit?

00:43:14
Speaker 8: Yeah.

00:43:17
Speaker 2: I did call him later and uh, I said, what's going on? He goes, I'm just I can't do it. You know, I can do football, but you know, I don't want to talk about Taylor Swift's next boyfriend and bet on that, you know. And I said, okay, because I'm just busy, you know, traveling, and I'm not there in studio. I said, okay. I said, all right, you you're done. We're going to treat you as if you're done, and then if you want to join us during football season at any point, you can come in for a little cameo. And he goes, that'd be great. So he did quit yesterday, Yes, de yeah, And that was not rehearsed. That was everyone's first time hearing Larry quit. Yes, because I I didn't realize. I'm like, oh, come on, I didn't know that he was planning, you know, this palace coup the previous week where he told Big Ray the Big Ray, Big Day Ray the producer. And so we'll see, we'll see if we can get somebody to come in and sit in the seat where Larry should have been. Yes, deal, there's an empty chair waiting for someone. Yeah, yes, Bol.

00:44:25
Speaker 5: And that horse you mentioned Patch, Yeah, that was the twenty eighteen Kentucky Derby, a one eyed horse. He had an eye, both eyes for a long time, but then he had an illness and had an eye removed. In twenty sixteen, he was thirty to one to win the eighteen race and he finished fourteenth with one eye.

00:44:43
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is those who bet him didn't realize that his good eye was his outside on his right eye. He was just seeing the grand stand and no other horses. He thinks he's doing really well. And if he had been in on the rail, he would have seen all the horses and that would have helped him kind of navigate. So Patch can't see any of the other horses. He thinks he's doing great. Where is everyone? It feels like he's Usain Bolt, I'm doing this with one eye, yes, yes, Tom, do we know? I don't know what kind of studies are shown.

00:45:19
Speaker 5: Do horses just run as fast as they can or do they?

00:45:21
Speaker 4: Are they really aware of the other horses?

00:45:23
Speaker 2: Obviously you don't want to step on another horse, but do they really understand that? I know? How about we just stay in our lane here? This is a serious question.

00:45:30
Speaker 5: Do I understand that this is a competition and a lot of money's it's taken.

00:45:33
Speaker 2: I got to beat these other horses.

00:45:35
Speaker 4: I got to get there.

00:45:35
Speaker 2: First, staying just let's just stay in our lane when it comes to this horse racing. They're just waiting to get to the stud fee portion of their career. I guess yes, but yes they do know. And there are horses who have had great rivalries affirmed and aliy dr felt like, you know, they they were competing with each other, a.

00:45:54
Speaker 5: Trash talk in the barn and all that kind of stuff.

00:45:57
Speaker 2: What'd you call me? Thank you?

00:45:58
Speaker 7: Todd?

00:45:59
Speaker 10: Uh?

00:45:59
Speaker 2: So that happened yesterday. That was big news on the gambling podcast that bad Larry has stepped down. Probably not the craziest thing that was said yesterday. Draymond Green has a podcast, The Draymond Green Show, and he talked about Steve Kerr's role in his career.

00:46:19
Speaker 10: As much as he's done for me in basketball, a part of me, think he's hindered me in my career and what I could have become No when KD came from twenty sixteen, oh, I have not had to play in our playbook, not a single play that we run for me in our playbook since twenty sixteen. But if you're going to take one gripe and not be able to move past it for all the other things, I think you're shallow as a person. That says more about you as a person than it does about Steve or whoever else than that is that you gotta take the good with the bad man.

00:46:49
Speaker 2: So Draymond thinks he's a thirty point scorer, that Steve held him back, that he didn't run plays for him. All I know is if I got Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, and Clay Thompson, I'm not running any plays for you. I'm sorry. I could make a case that Draymond hindered Steve Kerr's career, certainly in one playoff series. I give if we want to talk about all these things. You know, Draymon is a wonderful player. He was the right player at the right time for the right team. If he played in Atlanta no one would care. I mean, Robert or told us that Rockets never ran a play for him. Big Shot Bob, a guy that you would run plays for because he is a knockdown, cold blooded killer at the end of the game. And he said they never ran a play for him. What play are you running for? Draymon? And once again, if I look at my first three options, I'm not getting to my fourth option.

00:47:55
Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, there's no way I have maybe the most unstoppable offensive force ever Kevin Durant. Wait wait, Katie, you hold on, We're gonna run this pick and role play for Draymond Green? Absolutely not. No, you set the offense up. That's what you're great at. Like he was basically the point guard on that team. Yes, I don't ever like when people say, oh, Stepherr is a great point guard. No, no, he's a shooting guard. And Draymond Green was the guy that ran that offense. And you did what you were great at. And Steve Kerk put you in a great position to get paid three hundred million dollars in be a Hall of Famer.

00:48:26
Speaker 2: Yes, and he will be a Hall of Famer. He was a great defender and he was a point forward, he was their best passer. Well, that's Steve putting you in your best position to be a point forward, to run the offense, to get the ball to the scores, and be a great defender. So I would argue to the contrary, Steve Kerr understood. Look, Draymond was I think two time Big Ten Player of the Year at Michigan State. I think what he did in the NBA to become a Hall of f is a surprise to most people. But understanding your role too is key, and Draymond did understand his role. Now, he may not like it that he didn't get plays run for him, But I don't know if I would say to Steve Kerr, you know you kind of hindered me, you held me back. Yeah, Paulin, Yeah.

00:49:20
Speaker 5: If you go back to when Draymond was talking in that clip, twenty sixteen was his best season. He averaged fourteen points a game, then went to ten, seven, eight, seven, and so on. But that's when he really hit his stride as a player that frustrated people. No one was scared of his scoring.

00:49:37
Speaker 2: Now because he could be a dangerous three point shooter, but he wasn't an offensive threat the way I mean, once again, I've got Durant. Even if I don't have Durant, I have Stephen Clay, and chances are I'm not getting to my third option. So but look, I don't know if Draymond, I want to be fair to the context of this, I don't know if he sounds mad other than what could have been. Maybe I could have been an eighteen point score per game, maybe something like that. But it feels like he thinks he could have been like a go to guy. Yeah, Pauling, Yeah, you.

00:50:16
Speaker 5: Could easily make the case if he's playing for Washington or Atlanta he's twenty one to ten if he's the focal point at some point in his career, but he'd be missing the playoffs every year.

00:50:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to the Hall of Fame because he won championship. Ye, not because you could have averaged twenty one a game, Yes, Martin.

00:50:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, at best, he would have been somebody like Paul Millsap Ooh and weird, he's not on the tip of our tongues. I'm only saying that because I'm an NBA geek, But most people don't know who Paul Millsap is, even though he had a really good career. That's what Draymond may have ended up.

00:50:48
Speaker 2: Being, all right recapping basketball last night. By the way, Golden State is not in the playoffs. The Nicks embarrassed the Hawks and they win the series. The Timberwolves close out the Nuggets. Seventy six ers alive, alive in kicking now. I don't think the seventy six ers have eliminated the Celtics in the NBA playoffs. Since nineteen eighty two, the Celtics have knocked the seventy six ers out of the playoffs six consecutive meetings. The last time Philly eliminated Boston was nineteen eighty two.

00:51:23
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00:51:34
Speaker 2: Stout of the Day. Brought to you by in Any America, the Official Trading Cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, download the app if you haven't done so. The uh Timberwolves knocking out the Nuggets, and boy, that's the walk of shame if you're Denver that there was no excuse for that. Give credit to Minnesota Minnesota matched the Bravado and then some of Denver and stood up to Joker and Jamal Murray, and they did so without their top three guards. But you imagine if you're the Knicks and there's a chance the seventy six Ers knocking off the Celtics on Saturday, Wow, you'll be big Philadelphia seventy sixer fans. This is where a team kind of figured it out a little bit. You didn't know if you're having embiid all right. People even questioned if he was actually hurt. Yes, Mark, But here's the thing.

00:52:38
Speaker 3: If you're the Knicks, do you really want to see tyrees Maxi for maybe seven games?

00:52:42
Speaker 2: I would rather see him than I would Tatum and Brown in a really balanced Celtic lineup.

00:52:51
Speaker 3: Jalen Brnston, those guys had a hard time with CJ. Mccollin.

00:52:55
Speaker 6: Yes, Dylan, from like a viewership standpoint, would you rather see the next play Sixers or the Celtics like that kind of the storyline.

00:53:04
Speaker 2: I would say the Celtics, right, you know, I mean that's a rivalry Philly though Philly New York. Eh, Yeah, I don't know. I like watching Philly because I like Tyrese Maxing and I do have great appreciation for Joel Embiid because he's been through an awful lot and he's still playing. Like we talk about Anthony Davis being through a lot, he's not playing. Joel Embiid it. He is always trying to play and he said, when I'm out there, I am playing hard. Yeah, Paulie.

00:53:36
Speaker 5: You know, if we criticize load management, but if you look at the seventy six ers this year, that's all they did. Paul George had less than four forty starts. Embiid had fewer than forty starts, and Embiid had a policy no back to backs and look where he is right now.

00:53:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Deyl.

00:53:53
Speaker 6: I think it was the first time you guys had him beat on the show and he told the story about like killing a lion. Did we ever find out that that was true?

00:54:00
Speaker 2: I thought that was manut Bull too. Maybe they bumped in. I think manup Ball might have killed a lion, but I think Embiid was having fun with us. Yeah, yeah, can you check. I think manut Bull killed a lion. Yes one, it was Embiid, but he did say it was not true. Okay, but I thought manut Bowl actually killed a lion. Embiid was joking about that. I got to believe that lion probably didn't look at Manoup bull and say there's not enough meat on the bone there. I'm not worried about that guy, Like it's just the skewer.

00:54:36
Speaker 7: Yeah,