Fair Territory: Rangers surge, Mookie Betts is back, Mets rollercoaster, Tigers-Yankees battle

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm Ken Rosenthal here with my friend Alana Rizzo. And Alana, we've got a lot of Pennant Race action to discuss, and I want to start off by talking about one of my favorite things every September, unknown players contributing in a big way to Pennant Race contenders. And who am I talking about. Let's just use the al Wes as an example. Leo Reevis sign is a minor free agent January twenty twenty three for the Mariners. Last night walk off home run Leo Reevis Jason Alexander, thirty two years old, undrafted free agent Houston picks him up seven scoreless for the Astros last night and a huge win against the Blue Jays. And finally, Michael Hellman Texas Rangers. Weaver claim in May two huge homers against the Brewers in the Rangers sweep this week. More of this fun is coming, Alana, but we've got some serious stuff to discuss as well. We do.

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Speaker 2: Ken great to be with you is always on this Thursday. Yeah, they're looking to the young guns to make things happen for them, but when you look at the other teams ken that are typically perennial postseason contenders. You have to think just when things are going great, they went bad. Tell me more about the Mets situation.

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Speaker 1: The Mets were at one point this season the talk of baseball. They were forty five and twenty four early June. They look like the best team in the majors. Their record was the best in the majors. And then the rotation disintegrated and now they are looking at a real problem. You could see on June twelfth, where they were best record in the majors. Their rotation at that time was the best by ERA and now it ranks twenty fourth in the ERA. I shouldn't say now, since then it's twenty fourth in the RA. And you see their record since June thirteenth, the fourth worst in baseball. Their lead in the Wildcard race is down to two games and effectively over the Reds. It's one game because the Reds hold the tiebreaker. The Giants are also two games back. But the Mets, as they approached the finale of their series in Philadelphia tonight, they've lost the first three games of this series. They are in a position that they never wanted to be in and they are looking if this doesn't turn around, then if they can't hold on at one of the most disappointing seasons in their history. Joe Sherman of The New York Post has written about this. He has basically asked the question, would this be the most disappointing team, because of course they've spent three hundred and forty million on this club, brought in Juan Soto, signed some starting pitchers, and yet here they are life and death to reach the postseason, not exactly allow on what they had in mind.

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Speaker 3: No doubt about that. And across town.

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Speaker 2: Can the New York Yankees we thought I wrote them off, I said they're not even gonna make the postseason?

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Speaker 3: Shows you what the heck? I know what's going on with the Yanks.

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Speaker 1: The Yankees look like they were in good shape a week ago, actually a couple of days ago. What happened? They started off that Houston Toronto six game set by going four and two. Then they had Detroit, and of course they've got another tough series in back of this one, and yet in the first two games against Detroit their bullpen has fallen apart. They again raise all these questions that look to be resolved. Their bullpen was the thing that they fix the most at the trade deadline, and yet except for Bednar, it remains something of a mess. It's inconsistent, to say the least. And I don't know where it's going with the Yankees right now. The division looks pretty much out of reach. They're three games back, as are the Red Sox of the Toronto Blue Jays, and they've got a series against the Red Sox coming up, and that series is going to be really important toward determining which team would have home field advantage in the wildcard round, if indeed that's how this ends up, and it's certainly trending that way. You just look at the standings here. The Yankees and Red Sox both up two and a half games over the Mariners in the wildcard race. They hold commanding positions. In other words, it's just a matter of which one finishes ahead of the other. And as for the rest of the wildcard race, you see what's going on there. The Rangers are a game and a half and back of the Mariners. The Mariners, in turn, are only a game back of the Houston Astros in the Ale West, so we could be looking at a hugely wild finish in the West. But for the Yankees and the Red Sox, it's going to be a question of, all, right, where does this series start and that series. You can make the case either way. Yankees prefer being at home, Red Sox prefer being at home. Maybe the Yankees be better off on the road so their fans don't turn on them if things go awry, But no, I would expect that every team in the postseason, in the wildcard picture would prefer to be at home. It's as simple as that. Comfortable and all the things that come with playing at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you always hear about I get to sleep in my own bed. That makes a big difference. Ken, you were talking about the Rangers and the Astros in the Al West. The Rangers lost all of their studs, yet here they are we're still talking about them in terms of a possible postseason contender.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Cody Freeman is another one. Dustin Harris had a big hit for them last week, and Asuna has been also a contributor. Young guy. It's incredible what has happened with their team. For I would say five months, they were arguably the most disappointing team in baseball at least right there with the Braves. My other World Series pick, by the way, this year, Rangers and Braves had that workout, but because of all the injuries they had in late August, Simeon Evaldi Seger, you thought there's no way they're done, and yet they've drawn energy from those players I just mentioned, the younger, less experienced players. They're going to get Seger back probably next week. Adolie s Garcia might be coming back as well, and once that happens, I assume they'll be in a really good spot to challenge the rest of the way and see where they end up. They play at City Field Friday night. It's fascinating series ahead of us there. Rangers at Mets will be started by none other and former Mets ace Jacob Dekron.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be an interesting I tell you what, it's theater. You can't make this stuff up. Ken, So let me ask you this question, because we just don't know. Does this mean we're going to get an exciting, unpredictable October or are we really just gonna get a random champion Because it doesn't seem Ken, in the thirty teams that there's one that really sticks out.

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Speaker 1: Alna, I totally agree with you, and it certainly appears from this vantage point right now as we look at this, that this could be one of the more wide open postseasons in recent memory. Now, the one caveat I'll say to that is the Dodgers suddenly seem to have found their rotation. And I know it's come against two last place teams, the Orioles and Rockies, and the Rockies are horrific, But Yamamoto and glass Now and Otani and Kershaw, all of these guys are pitching well. Oh and I forgot Blake Snell. He was really good last night. If those guys, if they can find obviously a lot of quality in their rotation, that's gonna give them an advantage, and that would in my mind perhaps make them the favorite. But that said, we've watched the Dodgers all season, Alana. You watch them as closely as anyone. They've been an enigmatic team, a team that's been somewhat disappointing. And maybe now they're rounding into form and things are going to be better, and Mookie BET's certainly playing better. But I don't know that I entirely trust the Dodgers. Their bullpen has been a bit of a mess, so we'll see. But to your original point, yeah, it looks wide open the American League. Who knows Tiger's and the Blue Jays two best teams jockeying for the best record in the league home field advantage throughout the American League playoffs. I don't know that either as invincible. Jeff Hoffman gave up another homer last night. The Tigers looked good the last two nights, but they were kind of coming off lethargic run there for about two weeks. So yeah, it's looking really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this about the can I have my own opinion on it, but I want yours and your perspective. You Nobu Yamamoto through one hundred and twelve pitches, That's a career high for him. He gives up the home run to Jackson Holliday. I think Andy pai Has could have made a better attempt to get that ball, considering a no hitter was going on, but that's neither here nor there. Would you have sent Yama back out or did Dave Roberts, in your opinion, make the right call of bringing in the pen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It looks bad because of the outcome. That's the only reason that looks bad to me. And I would have sent him out, of course. And I know it's a career high, but my gosh, we count pitches all the time alone, and we count everything in this sport, and understandably, so it's that kind of sport. It's very statistically driven. But no hitters are special. No hitters are once in a career perhaps for most pitchers. And Yamamoto had a chance there, of course you send them back out. I don't even think there's any question.

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Speaker 3: That's funny.

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Speaker 2: See, I wouldn't have I think Dave made the right decision because the next pitch, maybe one thirteen, maybe he blows out his arm.

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Speaker 3: And you got to think that you would believe, you would believe Ken Rosenthal that your bullpen could get one out.

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Speaker 2: That is neither here nor there, My friends, all right, coming up here, don't forget to get your questions in for Ken Grill and Ken is next. And by the way, we have some breaking news right after.

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00:10:23
Speaker 2: Time to get those questions in for Ken Rosenthal. But we do actually have some breaking news. Can you and Britt Jeroli, both of the athletic of course, have some Orioles news.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Well, you see it right there, and it's interesting because some Oriel fans, perhaps we're wondering if Mike Elias would be back at all, considering how disappointing the team has been this season. It turns out the team promoted him to president of baseball Operations last winter, and now they're starting to build out their front office under him. You remember last week they hired Danny Has, national scouting Director to be a special assistant and their plan right now is to hire a general manager under Elias, so another executive to help things along for the Orioles. This represents obviously a show of faith in Elias. That show of faith came even before this disappointing season. And this is a team that has played very well since late May forty nine and forty one since May twenty eighth, sixth best record in the majors, and they firmly believe that if they get their pitching straight, which is happening to some extent with Trevor Rodgers emerging, Kyle Bradish ninth back, if they can get their pitching right, and they've got to rebuild their whole bullpend this winner, then they can be back to where they were in twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really thought this team was going to make a postseason push. Ken When this season started, it was like they looked so good top to bottom.

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Speaker 3: What went wrong.

00:11:48
Speaker 1: Starting pitching, and that was the failure of this club. It's the reason Brandon Hyde was fired as manager. The starting pitching was just awful at the start of the season. Charlie Morton was kind of the symbol of this all. He found it and was good enough to get traded to the Detroit Tigers, where he now is part of their rotation. But they had injuries. Grayson Rodriguez was one of them. They had disappointing performances. They just weren't good enough in that part of it. And the other thing, Alana, They've had some stagnation and regression among their young position players. Now. Injuries are part of that too, with Rushman and Kowser and others. Westburg's another one, but Donough Henderson hasn't been as good. Jackson Howne really hasn't broken through yet. Now they have Besiah, they will go into next season confident that these guys are gonna bounce back. Progression as a young player is not always linear, and we'll see what happens. Then. It's going to be an interesting team to watch.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that Adlee Rischmand is there next.

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Speaker 1: Year, Yes, no question. And he's there because Samuel Bissio is not proven as a catcher. There are questions in the industry whether he will ever catch, could be a first baseman DH in the long runs. Short term, Rushman is the better defender, and the Orioles believe he's going to bounce back. Now. It was a difficult second half of twenty four and a rough start to twenty five before he got hurt. But Atli Ruschman, they still believe and see as a centerpiece of what they're going to do.

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Speaker 2: All right, love the information there on the O's ken. Let's get in a question from our chat. Bernie Suarez wants to know he's talking about the Astros. Are the Astros in trouble? The Rangers seem to be making a run.

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Speaker 1: The Rangers are definitely making a run. The Mariners are playing better after their little lull six and fifteen whatever it was. I don't know why that. I'd say the Astros are in trouble, but there are clear questions there. Their offense has been a disappointment, even after the return of Jordan Alvarez. They rank something like twenty fourth in the majors and runs per game, and remember the deadline they reinforced the offense with Correa, with Jesus Sanchez, with Ramon Urias. So for whatever reason, they have not clicked offensively. They've had some pitching injuries too, just this week, Luis Garcia on top of Spencer Arraghetty and then Josh Hater that was a couple of weeks ago. He's out for the rest of the season as well. So I don't know that they're in trouble. They've got the pedigree still to hold on in the Ale West, but it's a lot closer than they ever imagined. It would be thinking that with the deadline and with Alvarez coming back, that they would ignite, and that really has not happened.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the Atlanta Braves. I really thought that this was going to be it for the Skip. I thought Brian Snicker was going to hang up the cleats, if you will, longtime baseball man, great baseball mind. But there are thoughts Ken out there that he is kind of toying with returning in twenty twenty six. What more can you tell us?

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Speaker 1: He addressed that yesterday with reporters who cover the team, and somewhat surprisingly, at least to me, he said, you know, what. I'm not sure that I want to step down just yet. I'm maybe hungry to finish this thing off and turn around what was a dis pointing season this year and not go out on this poor note. Bryan Sticker, if he wants to return, I believe will be permitted to return by the Atlanta Braves. It seems to me the job is his as long as he wants it at least, you know, in a reasonable fashion. But it's going to be really interesting to see what he decides, what he and his family decide on just where he is. He seems to be healthy, even though he's an older manager, of course, and his comments yesterday indicate to me that he hasn't lost that fire. That if anything, the fire was lit even higher this season because of how intensely disappointing it has been. So they're gonna be good next year. They're gonna have the pitching back, and they're gonna have all of their position players and all the things that went wrong, I would presume some of them at least are going to go right, and they'll make some off season moves as well. So I can see Snicker kind of wanting to taste that again and I take another job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when you've been in the business as long as he has, it's so difficult to stop. So many folks have a difficult time making the transition out of the game, and they just don't know what to do with themselves. Ken, we would be remiss if we didn't mention that today is the twenty fourth anniversary, if you will, of the nine to eleven terrorist.

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Speaker 3: Attack in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember what you were doing on that day twenty four years ago? And first of all, I can't believe it's almost been a quarter a quarter of a century. But what do you remember about that day in particular, and how did it affect you?

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Speaker 1: Of course I remember, and I was riding an exercise bike and watching television, and that's how I saw the whole thing unfold. I'm a New York native, so obviously it hurt, but it hurt for every American and it was just a terrible event. I'll be wearing the nine to eleven Museum bow tie tonight for Phillies Meths broadcast from Philadelphia, and next year we're going to have for the twenty fifth anniversary Yankees and Mets playing on nine to eleven, which will be an incredibly special night. And I also remember the first game back, the Piazza game, when we put the home run against the Braves. I covered that game. It was really emotional. The World Series that year with the Yankees playing the Diamondbacks was really emotional. It's a time when I never want to revisit again, obviously, and there have been a lot of dark days in the country's history, including just some recently, but we all remember it, and we all just want to make sure that something like that never happens again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I was getting ready for work. I lived in Denver, Colorado at the time. This was way before, well not way before, but it was before I got into journalism. And I remember my building. I was in the hospitality industry at the time, and our hotel was next to what is the World Trade Center in Denver, So obviously it's not the same as New York, but it was the World Trade Center there in Colorado. And just remembering it felt to me ken like the world had stopped. It felt so uneasy and such a time of just questions and insecurity and wondering what was next. And I remember thinking, and our gas price is going to go through. I mean I was thinking all kinds of different things about that, and then the reflection of all the people that were, you know, that perished in that having to decide whether jumping out of a tower was better than you know, burning alive in a tower. And it's just that horrific act on our country. And to your point, I hope it never it never happens again. But to all of those that were affected on that day twenty four years ago, our thoughts are still with you, of course, our prayers for you and the ones that you've lost. I mean, a lot of those folks ken would have been getting married now or seeing their grandchildren now or whatever, and it's it's difficult, it's difficult to swallow. So again we wanted to pay respect to that. We appreciate you guys taking a moment to listen. We're going to be right back after a quick break for Dude and Dork of the Week.

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Speaker 4: Time for your weekly Arena Club segment where we see what AJ pulls from a slab pack and we go pull a little emerald pack. This week, AJ looking for something big.

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Speaker 1: Always, I'm always looking for the big thing. Next big Thing's.

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Speaker 4: Got big money, big money, Baby. We've got a Dave Winfield card from nineteen seventy four, seventy four tops card from this Emerald pack. Estimated value three hundred bucks. You could sell it back for two seventy sold sold. I feel like you are into more of the current players. Would that be accurate?

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Speaker 1: You like legend?

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Speaker 3: In my showroom, I have a Robin you out, I have a Griffy Rookie car.

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Speaker 1: Think that's true? So I mean I have some older vintage your players. Bob Gibson, Oh yeah, you have Gibson, So I know.

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Speaker 3: I disagree Scott, but Dave Winfield for that amount of money back, I'm reselling it.

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Speaker 3: All right, time for due to the week, Ken, who do you have? Who is your and out performer this week?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Mookie Bets. And remember it was about a month ago, Alana when Mooki basically said my season's over, at least from a statistical standpoint, I won't have my usual season, and I'm going to just play for the team. Well, since he said that, he's been basically the Mookie Bets of old and right. Over the past thirty one games, he's hitting three thirty three with the nine to thirty one ops really hot in his last seven games for nineteen batting average, four homers, eight extra base hits, fourteen RBIs. That's in the seven game period. So MOOKI good to see you back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome back, Muke. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Marcus lynd Bett's MLB, which is so funny that his initials are MLB. All right, my dude of the week, it's not baseball. I appreciate you guys. Letting me go off on a limb here the Denver Broncos. I'm born and raised in Colorado, Denver Broncos football fan my entire life. It's the only thing that keeps my dysfunctional family together.

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Speaker 3: One of our goals is.

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Speaker 2: To make sure that we're engaging community mbers three sixty five days a year in the area and around the stadium. And what they're doing is they have a proposed new stadium plan still in Denver, Colorado. But what I love about this is it all is privately funded. This is not tax payer dollars. And what they're trying to do is have a new football stadium surrounded by restaurants and activities, very much like what the Montforts have done in Loto with Coursefield and that unbelievable McGregor Square area.

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Speaker 3: They've done a really good job.

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Speaker 2: I rip on the Rockies a lot, but the Montforts have done an amazing job with that and that's what the new ownership group of the Broncos is trying to do. So they are my dudes of the week. Go Broncos were one to oh, and I'm glad the Chiefs are zero and one.

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Speaker 3: But that's either here nor there.

00:21:41
Speaker 1: One second you say the words privately funded.

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Speaker 3: Yes, privately funded.

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Speaker 5: That's me among owners well, public funds. Ask the athletics. I don't know what's happening, but the Broncos, if you're not going to take their tax dollars, you're going to build a brand new stadium. I would love it if you named it, you know, Alana Rizzo Field at Mile High or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Okay, my dude of the week is out there. Candida's time for Dork of the week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, as usual, we have a plethora of candidates, but I'm not going to let the Dodgers off the hook for what happened last Saturday night at Camden Yards. This was one of the more memorable games of the season, if not the most memorable, and it was just a shocking outcome. Let's go back to the details. For eight and two thirds innings, Yoshinoba Yamamoto had a no hitter at that point. After eight and two thirds, with one out to go, the Dodgers led three to nothing. They had a ninety nine point five percent chance of winning that game. That was their win probability, ninety nine point five percent chance, and the other point five came in. They blew that game and detailed it a little bit. It was a comedy of errors in a certain respect. And it was so appropriate that the Orioles made this comeback on the night they celebrated now Ripkin's thirtieth anniversary of breaking Lou Garrig's record. That was the shock of shocks again, the game of the year for me and the Dodgers for losing it, the Dorks of the week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so am I because I was sitting there tweeting it like, oh my gosh, if you're not watching, you should probably tune in.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And then it was like Jackson Holiday, which is so ironic too, Ken that he the Holiday family requested permission from the Ripkin family for Jackson to wear number seven and then he breaks up the no no Andy Pa has I don't know what the heck he was doing in the outfield. Then you have to pray that your bullpend can get one flipping out, and they couldn't. I almost went to bed after the no no was I was like, all right, well, no, No's over, I'm going to go to bed, and I stayed up like and I shouldn't have because then I just got pissed. All right, My my York of the week, besides myself, is Philly's Karen Ken. I mean, I know I'm not really going out on a limb here, but my goodness, woman, what are you doing? And now, I mean, just first of all, I don't think that this woman should have lost her job and people should be stocking her.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Okay, be the bigger person, but the way that she handled this situation, my goodness, you, Karen. You Phillies, Karen are my dork of the week. And I tell you what, Ken, she's getting served. Karma is a is not a good thing.

00:24:28
Speaker 3: I tell you that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And she did get a five thousand dollars offer for that ball if she autographed it and said I'm sorry in the inscription. But of course she's not going to do that because that would identify her. People wouldn't know who she is. Now, I'm with you a lot. At one point I want to make here, the social media witch hunt takes place in a number of different ways at a number of different times. It's ridiculous. The woman did something wrong. Okay, we all have our bad moments, maybe not publicize the way this one was. But I don't care for that at all, and that needs to stop.

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Speaker 2: I agree, completely leave her alone. She did a bad thing, but you don't need to harass her. Kim, tell us a little bit more about the Native Nations baseball team and the article that you recently wrote.

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Speaker 3: This is interesting stuff.

00:25:12
Speaker 1: I wrote it a couple of days ago and actually worked on it for nine months on and off. What it is is an effort by the former Major league pitcher DJ Carrasco to build a national program for Native American players that doesn't exist right now, and they took a very dramatic first step recently by having the first Native American team compete in the Babe Ruth World Series in Branson, Missouri. Their long term dream is to build out an infrastructure where you have a national program from childhood up through adulthood for Native American players and then ultimately to get a team into the World Baseball Classic. That's complicated, it's going to take time. It's not something that can happen right away, but it's certainly an appropriate dream. And Alta we talk this and you mentioned it to me off the air. Baseball is always looking for talent. Well, here is an untapped source of talent, the Native American community. Now we have some Native American Major leaguers, but the point of this program is to identify the players, maybe on reservations, maybe in rural areas, who don't get the opportunities that guys like Ryan Helsley did and John Gray did and some other players because those guys went to public high schools, they went to college in many cases, and they're in a different category. What they want to do is create opportunities for players who are not getting those opportunities now. And it's a wonderful idea. It's an incredible program that DJ Carrasco is trying to start here and is starting, has started, and we'll see where it goes. But that was the point of writing it, and I hope people read it to see just what's going on here because it's kind of a cool effort and an effort that really anybody can everybody can get behind.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

00:26:59
Speaker 1: I love it.

00:26:59
Speaker 2: What was the most interesting thing that you've found out when you were spending nine over the course of nine months to put this together, just that this.

00:27:06
Speaker 1: Was happening really and that things were progressing, and that DJ Carrasco, who is Native American but in a very small way, but he's not a guy who is part of a tribe really or anything like that. He's mostly Mexican American. That's his greatest lineage, and this is his passion. And there's a guy named Ryan Flynn who created the baseball program, the national program in New Zealand, and they're kind of combining on this, and these guys are incredibly passionate about what they're doing. And they want to make this as big as possible, so we will see what happens. Dusty Baker had an interesting quote and Jacob Elsbury, Jacoby Elsbur, I'm sorry, cannot be the last great Native American player. There have to be some players there. I know they are. Dusty has contributed time and money to the Native Nations effort, and others are getting behind it as well. And again we'll see where it goes. Alana. But it's a cool thing that DJ Carrasco is trying to do.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and please if you take the time to read it, that would be great. Learn more about the Native Nations article. We want to say goodbye, thank you guys for being here, thank you for watching and listening. Foul Territory is next. Aj Pierzinski, Eric Kratz, and Scott Brown welcome Will Salmon, Annisabo and Matt Barnes to this show. We appreciate you guys. Ken is back with a fresh new episode on Monday.

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