Every Which Way But Loose (1978) vs. Any Which Way You Can (1980): Part 1
In the late 1970s, Clint Eastwood took a shot on a wacky comedy with some of his closest friends and an Orangutan named Clyde. It turned out to be one of the most successful and profitable movies of his career (and all time)! Join us (and your your favorite motorcycle gang, the Black Widows) this week as we take a concentrated, bareknuckled look at the original in the series "Every Which Way But Loose". What did they get right, what did they get wrong, and how does it stand up in the long run? Beers to you!
2023-06-20
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<v Speaker 1>God Ge Hillaries and God Made Hillaries and God Made <v Speaker 1>I'm sure. <v Speaker 2>Miss Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You <v Speaker 2>Can't Be Serious podcast, where we talk about movies from <v Speaker 2>the eighties, nineties and beyond. Jason, who are we here <v Speaker 2>to talk about today? <v Speaker 3>We are here to talk about mister Clint Eastwood. <v Speaker 2>What kind of stupid name is that? <v Speaker 3>The biggest yellow belly in the West. <v Speaker 2>Guys, we are here to talk about Clint Eastwood, specifically <v Speaker 2>mister Philo Beto, which is some kind of kick button <v Speaker 2>name as well. I got a question for you, Jason, Yes, <v Speaker 2>File Betto's pretty strong, right, Yeah? You think he's strong <v Speaker 2>enough to beat Superman? Sure, we'll see in a little bit. Okay, Ah, <v Speaker 2>all right, I like it. Okay, good, Okay. <v Speaker 3>So we came in with the song Hey, I gotta <v Speaker 3>stop you right there? <v Speaker 2>Okay, hang ony. <v Speaker 3>Yesterday was Clint Eastwood's birthday? <v Speaker 2>Yes, okay. <v Speaker 3>On our Facebook page, I put a post of Michael J. <v Speaker 3>Fox as Marty McFly in Back to the Future three <v Speaker 3>and it said happy birthday Clint Eastwood. <v Speaker 2>I got one of two responses. <v Speaker 3>One of them was, ha, that's funny, that's really Yeah. Clever, <v Speaker 3>that's smart, and the other one was that's not Clint Eastwood. <v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, this is a sad statement on the education <v Speaker 2>of humanity right here. <v Speaker 3>If you don't get that joke, you need to go run, <v Speaker 3>not walk. Go run and watch Back to the Future <v Speaker 3>three again. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, skip back to the future two. Go straight to <v Speaker 2>Back to the Future three. Yes, yes, Okay. So you <v Speaker 2>introed us with You're the reason God made Oklahoma and <v Speaker 2>it's the perfect intro song for the story that I <v Speaker 2>am about to tell you. I'm about to tell you <v Speaker 2>the story of Piggy Barnes. <v Speaker 3>Piggy Barnes. <v Speaker 2>Piggy Barnes, So, Piggy Barnes was a high school athlete, <v Speaker 2>part of the nineteen thirty eight undefeated season for his <v Speaker 2>high school. After he graduated high school, he went on <v Speaker 2>to be a sergeant in World War Two. Then after <v Speaker 2>World War Two, he went to college at LSU, where <v Speaker 2>he was a football player and a weight lifting champion. <v Speaker 2>He went from LSU to join the Philadelphia Eagles, where <v Speaker 2>he played guard for them from nineteen forty eight to <v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty one. Okay, now, while he was still a <v Speaker 2>member of the Philadelphia Eagles team, he was down in <v Speaker 2>Louisiana visiting his college friends, and he got involved in <v Speaker 2>spying on the nineteen forty nine undefeated Ou team coached <v Speaker 2>by mister Bud Wilkinson, himself. <v Speaker 3>College football legend, Buddy Wilkinson. <v Speaker 2>We named the stadium after him, absolutely we did. <v Speaker 3>Yes, the longest current winning streak in college football still holds. <v Speaker 2>By the way sidebar Ou women's softball team currently has <v Speaker 2>the longest winning streak for women's softball, and yesterday played <v Speaker 2>the first game of the College Women's World Series. They <v Speaker 2>got another game tomorrow. I'm hoping by the time this <v Speaker 2>episode comes out that you all will know that we <v Speaker 2>won yet another women's World Series. Yes, yes, So anyway, <v Speaker 2>I digress. The important thing to know is that sports <v Speaker 2>is important to Oklahoma. It always has been, right, and <v Speaker 2>when you get to a stage where you're involved in <v Speaker 2>a bowl, and a big bowl like the Sugar Bowl, yes, <v Speaker 2>it's really important that you keep your stuff secret, right. <v Speaker 2>You don't want people spying on you. Sure well, While <v Speaker 2>Bud Wilkinson is getting ready for the Sugar Bowl in <v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty in Biloxi, Mississippi, he gets a phone call <v Speaker 2>and he says, you have guys spying on your team. Now, <v Speaker 2>many will say that this is the only time in <v Speaker 2>his entire seventeen year career as a OU football coach <v Speaker 2>that they saw him get mad. Yeah, he got livid. <v Speaker 2>Uh huh. So he puts together a detective team and <v Speaker 2>they go out. They go there's this garage where they <v Speaker 2>can see down into the field in Biloxi, Mississippi, where <v Speaker 2>the OU Sooners are playing. Okay, and so this team <v Speaker 2>of law enforcement photographers reporters are all converging on this <v Speaker 2>point and they find this guy hiding underneath a blanket <v Speaker 2>with binoculars and charts and cameras, and he sees them coming. <v Speaker 2>He sees them closing in, so he jumps down, goes <v Speaker 2>into the garage yelling profanities at them. They're banging on <v Speaker 2>the door. He eventually busts out and they managed to <v Speaker 2>snap a picture of him. <v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, okay. <v Speaker 2>Now this is back in the day when pictures had <v Speaker 2>to develop, so it was another day before they developed <v Speaker 2>the picture. And when they developed the picture, they saw <v Speaker 2>that it was mister Piggy Barnes from the Philadelphia Eagles, <v Speaker 2>former LA shoe player who was spying on him and <v Speaker 2>Bud Wilkinson was like, come out. Okay. He comes out <v Speaker 2>and he's this guy has gone into hiding with another <v Speaker 2>LSU player named Albert Manuel, and he's And Bud Wilkinson says, <v Speaker 2>show yourselves and declare your innocence, so we're gonna assume <v Speaker 2>you're guilty. They never come out right, so your mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah. <v Speaker 2>So nineteen fifty Sugar Bowl OU beats LSU thirty five <v Speaker 2>to zero. It made no difference at all, right, except <v Speaker 2>that he was horribly embarrassed. He ultimately the next year <v Speaker 2>leaves the Philadelphia Eagles and goes into acting. Okay, okay, <v Speaker 2>Barnes goes into acting because he's a terrible spy and <v Speaker 2>he is a He plays parts in gun Smoke and <v Speaker 2>Bonanza and Raw Hide, Rowdy Yates, Anybody Yes, Yes, okay, <v Speaker 2>and The Dukes of Hazzard, along with a ton of others, <v Speaker 2>where at some point he realizes he's good at playing <v Speaker 2>a sheriff. Plays the sheriff in at least ten different <v Speaker 2>TV shows and movies, including High Planes Drifter. Okay, okay, <v Speaker 2>and in nineteen eighty one brings that sheriff role to <v Speaker 2>a key role in a movie that is a knockoff <v Speaker 2>of Smoky in the Bandit. It's a movie called Smoky <v Speaker 2>Bites the Dust came out in nineteen eighty one. Yes, <v Speaker 2>and it is an absolute dismal failure. But it's not <v Speaker 2>the first Smoky in the Bandit that he is knocked off. Okay, <v Speaker 2>the first one is the movie we're here to talk <v Speaker 2>about today, Every Which Way but Loose, where Walter Lee <v Speaker 2>Piggy Barnes plays the character that is much talked about. <v Speaker 2>But little scene mister Tank Murdoch, as you said. <v Speaker 1>You're just a you got an Eastwood smile and Robert <v Speaker 1>red food Ham. <v Speaker 3>Oh no way, Tank Murdoch. <v Speaker 2>Yes, there you go. That is awesome. So Tank Murdoch, <v Speaker 2>the championship fight at the end of Every Which Way <v Speaker 2>But Loose was a guy who was once a spy <v Speaker 2>for LSU against both. <v Speaker 3>Wow, that is a great story. <v Speaker 2>Thanks man. <v Speaker 3>I was wondering where we're going with this. <v Speaker 2>Where are you going with this. <v Speaker 3>Mister Tank Murdoch. That's the guy. He's like the big <v Speaker 3>battye at the end of the movie. Yeah, we'll talk <v Speaker 3>about what we think about that fight sort of at <v Speaker 3>the end, but that's the big batty cool. Okay, great <v Speaker 3>So we are here today to talk about the movies <v Speaker 3>Every Which Way but Loose from nineteen seventy eight and <v Speaker 3>the sequel Any Which Way You Can, which came out <v Speaker 3>in nineteen eighty. Now, these are Clint Eastwood's first two <v Speaker 3>attempts at comedy. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're gonna talk about whether. <v Speaker 3>We think he succeeds or whether you think he feels Yeah. <v Speaker 2>So we talked about the fact that his career is <v Speaker 2>far too long for us to go into depth on, right, <v Speaker 2>And he has been making movies and TV shows as <v Speaker 2>long as my dad's been alive. <v Speaker 3>I mean way longer than we've been alive. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, and seventy years or more at this point, right, right, right, <v Speaker 2>And so he started off, well, I'm just gonna skim <v Speaker 2>by here, We're just gonna run through but right, he <v Speaker 2>starts off and gets kind of ridiculed as a bad actor. <v Speaker 2>But he starts off in rawhide, rowdy yates. Yes, But <v Speaker 2>ultimately a little bit later he gets a chance break. <v Speaker 2>The guy who directed Once Upon a Time in the <v Speaker 2>West has a new movie that he wants to direct <v Speaker 2>that's kind of a knockoff of a Kira Kirosawa movie <v Speaker 2>called Jimbo. Yeah, okay, but he can't get the guys <v Speaker 2>who were in Once upon a Time in the West <v Speaker 2>because they're too expensive. Charles Brownson is too expensive at <v Speaker 2>this point, and so he falls back on Clint Eastwood, <v Speaker 2>and that is how we get the man with no name, <v Speaker 2>the dollar trill g Yeah, this full of dollars, a <v Speaker 2>few dollars more and. <v Speaker 3>Fantastic. I love clinist. Let's talk about that for just <v Speaker 3>a second. Yeah, are you a Clin Eastwood guy? Like, <v Speaker 3>do you like his movies? <v Speaker 2>My friends growing up were all about John Wayne like <v Speaker 2>their dad's watched John Wayne movies with him. My dad <v Speaker 2>watched Clint Eastwood movies with me, Like, I mean, that's <v Speaker 2>what we watched. And it wasn't so much the spaghetti <v Speaker 2>westerns but the Dirty Harry movies. My dad thought they <v Speaker 2>were hysterical. He could have called him a comedy. He <v Speaker 2>thought it was great. Well really, when Clint Eastwood would <v Speaker 2>go and foil a bank robbery while all chewing on <v Speaker 2>the same bite of hot dog, he thought it was hysterical. So, okay, <v Speaker 2>lots and lots of Clin Eastwood movies in my past. <v Speaker 3>Yeah, interesting, Okay, I love Clin Eastwood movies too. And <v Speaker 3>the funny thing is that he's sort of REINVENTI himself <v Speaker 3>several times, you know. <v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and especially as a director, has done so <v Speaker 2>many different types of movies, I mean, and has proven <v Speaker 2>himself over and over, and it seems like every single <v Speaker 2>time that he goes out and tries something new, the <v Speaker 2>critics ridicule him, but the fans love him. <v Speaker 3>One of these days, we need to talk about Unforgiven, <v Speaker 3>which is kind of his masterpiece. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and we had our friend Dale Selby say, hey, <v Speaker 2>you should do Unforgiven versus Dances with Wolves? Yeah right, yeah, <v Speaker 2>And then I started out. We started watching these movies <v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know what, I kind of <v Speaker 2>want to watch The Outlaw Josie Wales. That was one <v Speaker 2>of my favorite cowboy movies. It is sure. I start <v Speaker 2>watching that, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's all the <v Speaker 2>guys who are in every which way below it is. <v Speaker 3>It's crazy, right, I mean, Sondra Locke is there, John <v Speaker 3>Quaid is there. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, the guy who is the main bad guy, the <v Speaker 2>Union soldier, he's one of the black widows, the guy <v Speaker 2>who pulls them across the river, who's singing Dixie on <v Speaker 2>one Way Across. He's one of the black widows. I mean, <v Speaker 2>there are tons of guys. Oh and by the way, <v Speaker 2>in The Outlaw Josie Wales, Yeah, the throwback to one <v Speaker 2>of our very old, very unpopular episodisodes. Chev Woolley is <v Speaker 2>also in The Outlaw Josie Wales. He is the guy <v Speaker 2>who spoiler alert for that episode you're never gonna listen to. <v Speaker 2>He's the guy who did the Wilhelm yell is the <v Speaker 2>on screen. <v Speaker 3>That's right, I forgot about that. That's right. <v Speaker 2>He's the guy who in Josie Wales is playing the <v Speaker 2>fiddle at the end and gets buried up to his <v Speaker 2>neck by the Indians. It's great movie. It is a <v Speaker 2>fantastic movie. <v Speaker 3>That's interesting. Okay, cool, So let's talk about the birth <v Speaker 3>of this movie. <v Speaker 2>Right, okay, Yeah, So this script was written by a <v Speaker 2>guy named Jeremy Joe Cronensberg. Yes, okay, he hasn't done <v Speaker 2>a whole lot. Jeremy Joe, Jeremy Joe Cronsberg. <v Speaker 3>He goes by JJ. I bet he goes by Jay. <v Speaker 2>He probably goes by JJ. Yeah, he's done obviously every <v Speaker 2>which way but loose. He also wrote the script for <v Speaker 2>Any Which Way you Can and Going Ape. <v Speaker 3>Okay, that's fantastic. Okay, stop right there. Okay, you're blowing <v Speaker 3>my mind already. <v Speaker 2>Have you seen Going Ape? I have not, but I <v Speaker 2>am aware that it involves a rang attang and there's <v Speaker 2>a little bit of a theme here. All right. <v Speaker 3>So here's here's where the Shirley World colldes right here. <v Speaker 2>Okay, okay. <v Speaker 3>So you've got Danny DeVito, yes, which we talked about <v Speaker 3>in our Twins episode, and Tony Danza holy close. <v Speaker 2>Now, Tony Dance. <v Speaker 3>Which we talked briefly about Taxi in our TV Themes <v Speaker 3>episode we did. Then you've got Poppy the Orangutang, who <v Speaker 3>plays Clyde's girlfriend in Any. <v Speaker 2>Which Way you Can? Oh nice? Okay. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. <v Speaker 2>And so it's just kind. <v Speaker 3>Of a fun collision movie and there's stupid hilarity. And <v Speaker 3>as a kid, I freaking love this movie. <v Speaker 2>You loved Going Ape, so I had to. When I <v Speaker 2>saw this movie, I immediately started thinking about Electric Boogaloo, <v Speaker 2>the Cannon Films documentary, because they had a movie that <v Speaker 2>was supposed to have an ape in it, but like <v Speaker 2>the Ape ended up, the Orangutang, Yes, it ended up <v Speaker 2>biting the kid, and so like the next day it <v Speaker 2>was a midget in an ape suit that looked absolutely terrible. <v Speaker 2>Cannon films, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, I don't know if <v Speaker 2>I don't know if Manis was the one that bit <v Speaker 2>the kid or not. <v Speaker 3>But yeah, so the interesting thing before we even really <v Speaker 3>get down the road. Yeah, so Manis was the orangutang <v Speaker 3>in every which way but loose. Yes, they had to <v Speaker 3>fire him and get a different orangutang for the second <v Speaker 3>one because they try to keep them young, because they're <v Speaker 3>kind of more. <v Speaker 2>Docile as they're young. <v Speaker 3>Okay, so the second ape was his name was Buddha Buddha. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. There was another ape that was involved as well, <v Speaker 2>called c J, which might be Clyde Junior. It might <v Speaker 2>be that might be how he got that name, Clyde Junior. <v Speaker 2>I think that he may have come in for when <v Speaker 2>they were doing their marketing and publicity, for he was <v Speaker 2>the he was the ape that would go out into <v Speaker 2>the public I guess. Interesting. Interesting, okay. And there's a <v Speaker 2>there's a whole story out there involving Pete and Jane <v Speaker 2>Goodall and the mistreatment of these animals, and that story <v Speaker 2>has been called into question by other people, and we <v Speaker 2>don't I'll get involved in that nonsense. <v Speaker 3>Here, not talking about any of that. <v Speaker 2>Tell you that it exists. Okay, there, right, there you go. <v Speaker 2>So JJ Kronsberg has this script, Yes, that involves a <v Speaker 2>bare knuckle brawler yep, and an. <v Speaker 3>Eight because why not right? <v Speaker 2>How can it not win? Right? How can it fail? Right? <v Speaker 2>Of course? Well, unfortunately it fails like studio after studio <v Speaker 2>after studio all turned him down. But you got the <v Speaker 2>story on why this is a Smoking in the Bandit <v Speaker 2>knockoff a bit of a stretch, I admit for the story, but. <v Speaker 3>Not real I mean, you know, kind of. <v Speaker 2>But so tell me what your thoughts said. <v Speaker 3>Okay, So there's a couple of urban legends about how <v Speaker 3>this ended up with Clint Eastwood because this movie was <v Speaker 3>originally intended for Burt Reynolds. <v Speaker 2>Okay, okay. <v Speaker 3>Nineteen seventy seven, Burt Reynolds does a comedy called Smoking <v Speaker 3>the Bandit. <v Speaker 2>And this is after he's done a bunch of serious stuff. <v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, you know, Deliverance was a fantastic but <v Speaker 3>very serious, very dark movie action hero. Yeah, well, how <v Speaker 3>Needham's says, Well, Burt Reynolds is a movie star. Let's <v Speaker 3>make him into a comedic actor. And Smoking the Bandit <v Speaker 3>is one of the greatest movies of the seventies. <v Speaker 2>Shout out to our pal Van Allen Plexico. I think <v Speaker 2>it's maybe his favorite movie of all times. <v Speaker 3>It's irresistible. <v Speaker 2>But by the way, guys, we covered Smoking in the <v Speaker 2>Bandit versus Canniball Run and I think season one, season one. <v Speaker 3>It's been a couple of years. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, so definitely go check that out. But Hal Needham <v Speaker 2>was Burt reynolds stunt man living on his couch, right, <v Speaker 2>he's he's part of the inspiration for Brad Pitt's character <v Speaker 2>and once upon a time in Hollywood. Absolutely, and so <v Speaker 2>he's he writes this script and gives it to Burt Reynolds, <v Speaker 2>and Burt Reynolds said, this may be the worst script <v Speaker 2>I've ever read. <v Speaker 3>In my life. <v Speaker 2>Yes, let's do it. <v Speaker 3>Yeah. <v Speaker 2>So he's then Smoking the Bandits of course a big success. <v Speaker 3>It's the second largest movie from nineteen seventy seven. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, it only. <v Speaker 3>Trails Star Wars. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. <v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've seen that one or not, <v Speaker 3>but Star War that one, I don't know. <v Speaker 2>Okay, so oh. <v Speaker 3>Anyway, Smoking Man, huge hit. So they want Burt Reynolds <v Speaker 3>for every which way but loose. Let's do another comedy <v Speaker 3>barre Knuckles, Brawler and Orangu and Tang. How can we <v Speaker 3>lose plus Burt Renlds. So one version I read was <v Speaker 3>basically they got it to Burt Reynolds and Burt Reylds <v Speaker 3>was like, I don't really want to do this. <v Speaker 2>I like monkeys. <v Speaker 3>I'm not sure about this. Maybe my buddy Clint Eastwood <v Speaker 3>would like to do it, Okay. Another version of it <v Speaker 3>was there was a secretary involved and they were trying <v Speaker 3>to pass it through the secretary to get to Burt Reynolds, <v Speaker 3>and the secretary like intercepted it, showed it to Clint. <v Speaker 3>Clint's like, yeah, I kind of want to because Clint <v Speaker 3>was wanting to do something a little bit more broad, <v Speaker 3>a little bit more smoking the bandit, a little more <v Speaker 3>commercial broad in his appeal, and he basically intercepted the script. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the secretary her husband was a guy who <v Speaker 2>was a sound guy. His name was Bob Hoyit and <v Speaker 2>he did Mister Host. Yeah. He did the sound for Jaws, <v Speaker 2>for play Misty, for Me, for The Last Starfighter, Yes <v Speaker 2>for weird science. Yes, and he I don't know how <v Speaker 2>the sound guy knows the right people to talk to, <v Speaker 2>but he is the one that convinced Warner Brothers to <v Speaker 2>greenlight this project. <v Speaker 3>Really. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's you know, play Misty for Me, Clint Eastwood. <v Speaker 2>There you go. Wow, it's fantastic. So the movie is <v Speaker 2>produced by a guy named Robert Day. Now, Robert Daly <v Speaker 2>was with Clint Eastwood from Play Misty for Me all <v Speaker 2>the way through any which way you can, Yeah, and <v Speaker 2>then didn't do anything for a while, and then he <v Speaker 2>did two more movies in nineteen eighty five. First one <v Speaker 2>was Stick starring Burt Reynolds. Yeah by Elmore Leonard your favorite, <v Speaker 2>right More. And the second one was Real Genius, Get <v Speaker 2>out of here. I gotta I got to throw back <v Speaker 2>for you. Ready for this? Yes? Mitch Taylor, Yeah, mitge Yeah, <v Speaker 2>the not Val Kilmer part. Mitch Taylor was played by <v Speaker 2>a guy named Gabriel Jarrett. Yes, Gabriel Jarrett is the <v Speaker 2>son of Jeremy Joe Cronsberg, the writer of this movie. <v Speaker 2>No way, there you go. <v Speaker 3>You're blowing my mind left and right. Happy to be <v Speaker 3>Where are you going to find this information? That's incredible? <v Speaker 2>Thanks. So the movie was directed by a guy named <v Speaker 2>James Fargo, who is still alive. He's eighty four years old. <v Speaker 2>Dude's old man, Yeah, but not as old as Clint. No, <v Speaker 2>he's not. <v Speaker 3>Clint just turned ninety three yesterday, by. <v Speaker 2>It, Yes, right, Clint is nine years older than fifty four. <v Speaker 2>It's crazy anyway. He had been assistant director for Steven <v Speaker 2>Spielberg on Duel. <v Speaker 1>Wow. <v Speaker 2>Okay, and so Clenn Eastwood's like, hey, I need a director. <v Speaker 2>You obviously, you know, have worked with the best, so <v Speaker 2>come work with me. He did The Enforcer, He did <v Speaker 2>every which way but loose, and then he would go <v Speaker 2>on to his very important job of directing the eighteen. <v Speaker 2>Be sure and go back if you haven't heard our <v Speaker 2>last three episodes. We did the best TV themes of <v Speaker 2>the seventies and eighties, and that one is there somewhere. <v Speaker 3>I pity the fool who did not listen to those episodes. <v Speaker 3>By the way, Jas Fargo also worked on Joe Kid, Yeah, <v Speaker 3>High Planes, Drifter, The Iigres Sanction, Ala Jose. <v Speaker 1>You. <v Speaker 3>Well, so he's been around Clint a bunch. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, did a lot for him, Yes, okay, So let's <v Speaker 2>talk about the crazy name of this movie. Yeah, every <v Speaker 2>which Way but loose? Like I have trouble, I have <v Speaker 2>to think about it to say it right every single time. <v Speaker 2>Why would you call a movie this because there was <v Speaker 2>a cool song by Eddie Rabbit called every Which Way <v Speaker 2>but Loose, and they decided we want that song in <v Speaker 2>the movie, and we're gonna name the movie after the song. <v Speaker 1>Every which Way. She turned every which way inside the <v Speaker 1>five burning in my line. You just keep burning me <v Speaker 1>every which way? <v Speaker 2>Are you kidding? <v Speaker 1>You turned me? <v Speaker 2>Give me? <v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought the song was written for the movie. <v Speaker 2>It's I mean, I am only here to report what <v Speaker 2>I read, my friend. <v Speaker 3>The interwebs are telling us that that's fantastic. <v Speaker 2>Okay, So that brings us to soundtrack of the show. <v Speaker 2>You've got the Coca Cola Cowboy, Mister, mister mel tillis perfect. <v Speaker 3>I can't going leive m big men O. <v Speaker 1>Welcome to pretty miss, then Howley. <v Speaker 2>Taylor. You got Closed Doors by Charlie Rich and you <v Speaker 2>got a couple songs by this woman named Sondra Locke. Yes, <v Speaker 2>so there's a famous producer, famous country music producer named <v Speaker 2>Snuff Garrett who produced these songs for this movie. And <v Speaker 2>that included her songs, and his take was recording with <v Speaker 2>her was problematic. <v Speaker 1>Time with nobody else around. <v Speaker 3>Okay, that's interesting. <v Speaker 2>All I could think of as I watched it was <v Speaker 2>this was the best take, This was the best I <v Speaker 2>I hate to do this, but this is the way <v Speaker 2>I felt since I was a little tiny kid watching <v Speaker 2>these movies with my dad. Sounderlocke is not an attractive person. <v Speaker 2>Like as I got older. You remember when we talked <v Speaker 2>about Toto, and it was like Toto, the guys from <v Speaker 2>Toto looked like the guys your mom dated after she <v Speaker 2>brought she divorced your dad. Yes, Sonderlock looks like the <v Speaker 2>girl your dad dated after he divorced your mom. <v Speaker 3>Yes, and the one that you don't like. <v Speaker 2>That's yeah, you don't like her, and you're like dad, <v Speaker 2>you could do so much better than Yes. Yeah. <v Speaker 3>She was involved with Den Eastwood for years. <v Speaker 2>It started with the outlaw Josie Whale. <v Speaker 3>By the way, on the subject of Sondra Locke, Yeah, <v Speaker 3>our good buddy, mister David Deaf Dave Wright sent me <v Speaker 3>some pictures the other day. She is sort of widely <v Speaker 3>known to come from Shelbyville, Tennessee. Yes, but actually it's <v Speaker 3>a smaller town close to Shelbyville called war Trace, And <v Speaker 3>so he ran over there the other day and sent <v Speaker 3>me some pictures from war Trace, Tennessee because he knew <v Speaker 3>we were doing this. <v Speaker 2>Oh so nice, Yeah, good job. <v Speaker 3>So he showed me this, sent me this picture of <v Speaker 3>downtown right here. <v Speaker 2>So that's it. <v Speaker 3>That's all of it. <v Speaker 2>That's the whole one. Yeah, that's three buildings. So yeah, <v Speaker 2>she was. She was a young model who had gotten <v Speaker 2>some attention and managed to secure a role in the <v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty eight movie The Heart is a Lonely Hunter, <v Speaker 2>which she was nominated for an Oscar for what but <v Speaker 2>she lost out to Ruth Gordon. Are you kidding me? <v Speaker 2>I Am not kidding you. And for those of you <v Speaker 2>who don't know what I'm talking about, can you tell <v Speaker 2>us who Ruth Gordon is? <v Speaker 3>Ruth Gordon plays Ma in both of these movies. <v Speaker 2>I knew I should have worn my wig. <v Speaker 3>You Harry Abe steal in my oreos She's hilarious. <v Speaker 2>You know. <v Speaker 3>She won an Oscar for Rosemary's Baby. That was it. <v Speaker 2>It was the year nineteen sixty eight. That's incredible. <v Speaker 3>You're blowing my mind, Like I can't even go anywhere. <v Speaker 1>You know all. <v Speaker 2>I love it. By the way, we. <v Speaker 3>Forgot to tell you before we started this podcast. Yeah, <v Speaker 3>we should have the same rules for our podcast that <v Speaker 3>Pilo has for Clyde. No spitting, no pissing, no farting, <v Speaker 3>no picking your hack. <v Speaker 2>Man, that ruins my day. So we have a wonderful <v Speaker 2>cast in this movie, right in both of these movies, <v Speaker 2>because we've got a lot of carry over here. Basically <v Speaker 2>the same Yeah, basically the same cast. So we know <v Speaker 2>Clint Eastwood. We know that even though he was married <v Speaker 2>and she was married at the time of the Outlaw, <v Speaker 2>Josie Wales, they both fell in love and started dating <v Speaker 2>each other, and so they're in it. Then we have wait, <v Speaker 2>there's a story that goes with this. Oh, okay, go ahead. <v Speaker 3>I don't want to get too deep on this because <v Speaker 3>that's kind of our style. We like the juiciness, but <v Speaker 3>we want to avoid the controversy. <v Speaker 2>Get it as juicy as you like it, and then <v Speaker 2>cut what you don't know. Here's the deal. <v Speaker 3>Soder Locke was married to another man. Word on the <v Speaker 3>street is they never consummated that relationship because he didn't <v Speaker 3>really like her. <v Speaker 2>If you know what I'm saying, right, And they. <v Speaker 3>Were married for years and years and years, and we're <v Speaker 3>sort of more roommates than friends. She was with Clint <v Speaker 3>Eastwood for years and years and years. There's a lot <v Speaker 3>of overlap here. It's a lot of Hollywood stuff. I'm <v Speaker 3>not really sure how that works. <v Speaker 2>But I can't say. I can't verify what you're saying. <v Speaker 2>What I can say is that I heard as part <v Speaker 2>of their not divorce settlement, but you know, they sued <v Speaker 2>each other when they broke up. Part of that deal <v Speaker 2>was she got to keep the house that Clint Eastwood <v Speaker 2>had bought for her husband, half a million dollar house. Yeah, <v Speaker 2>there's there's some Yeah, there's some story there. <v Speaker 3>That was an agreement where I get to screw your <v Speaker 3>wife life and you get to live in this house. Yeah, okay, <v Speaker 3>So Sondra Locke plays Lynn Halsey Taylor. <v Speaker 1>There's one too many women and your life. <v Speaker 3>The one of us can making it right. <v Speaker 1>There's one too many women and your love, the one <v Speaker 1>you say you love. I'm the one you call your wine. <v Speaker 2>That's all I have to say. <v Speaker 3>Listen, Okay, let me just say this. She's Clint Easwood's <v Speaker 3>live in girlfriend. So that's how that works. You know <v Speaker 3>she got the role in many of these movies probably <v Speaker 3>because she's attached to Clint, and that's Clint. <v Speaker 2>That's another outdake. I thought I was going to have <v Speaker 2>trouble with every which way but lose anyway. <v Speaker 3>But she's a package deal with Clint. Yes, okay, and <v Speaker 3>both of us agree. She has her moments, but she <v Speaker 3>can't sing all that well, she's really not that pretty, <v Speaker 3>and she is immensely unlikable, particularly at the end of <v Speaker 3>this movie. <v Speaker 2>The only part I disagree with on is that she <v Speaker 2>has her moments. Okay, okay, So, because this is not <v Speaker 2>a bash session with the Shirley guys, do not bash <v Speaker 2>overly anyway. Let's move on to mister Jeffrey Lewis, because <v Speaker 2>he is a guy who helps make these movies. <v Speaker 3>I told you right before we started recording that he <v Speaker 3>may be my favorite character in the whole thing. <v Speaker 2>And then I said to you, he definitely has the <v Speaker 2>funniest part in the first movie. Yes, And you said <v Speaker 2>which part? <v Speaker 3>And you told me and we both agreed. <v Speaker 2>I showed you my bicep and then you sneezed, and <v Speaker 2>we both agree that is the funniest part of this movie. <v Speaker 3>There are a couple of laugh out loud moments for <v Speaker 3>every which way would lose. Yeah, that's one of them. <v Speaker 3>When the Black Widows roll up his sleeve and says, <v Speaker 3>look at this tattoo. <v Speaker 2>What is this? Do you know who this is? <v Speaker 3>And Orville Jeffrey Lewis just shoe, just sneezes all over it. Yeah, <v Speaker 3>so funny. <v Speaker 1>You see they an arm? <v Speaker 2>No, they tattoo? What these moves? Do you see that? <v Speaker 3>He's in like seven or eight different Clinties to their buddies. Yeah, Clint, <v Speaker 3>Clint brings his friends along. I mean, why wouldn't you, right, <v Speaker 3>And he of course is the father of Juliette Lewis. <v Speaker 3>That is a mind blower if you did not know <v Speaker 3>that before. Juliette Lewis of course plays Beverly DeAngelo's daughter <v Speaker 3>in Christmas Vacation. <v Speaker 2>Well, I was shocked whenever I'm watching the movie because <v Speaker 2>it's been decades since I seen it, and Beverly DiAngelo <v Speaker 2>shows up in the middle of the movie as echo <v Speaker 2>what echo? Oh that was such a lame joke that <v Speaker 2>they did four or five, four or five times and <v Speaker 2>still didn't get funny. So Jeffrey Lewis, Juliet Lewis's dad <v Speaker 2>is romantically involved with Beverly Giangelo, who ends up playing <v Speaker 2>Juliet Lui's mom later on. It's all very interesting. <v Speaker 3>It is interesting. So we were talking before we started recording. <v Speaker 3>I think that Jeffrey Lewis is like the greatest sidekick <v Speaker 3>of all time. He's always willing to do whatever it <v Speaker 3>takes to hang out with Filo. He gets beat up <v Speaker 3>multiple times, he gets shot, you know, he gets shot <v Speaker 3>in the second one, and all he wants is to <v Speaker 3>hold the money and eat con pie and occasionally maybe <v Speaker 3>get laid on the road. <v Speaker 2>With Beverly D'Angelo, I have to think that he was <v Speaker 2>responsible for the skater style of turning your hat. I <v Speaker 2>love it. <v Speaker 3>It's always sort of cock eyed. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so then we run into Beverly D'Angelo. She <v Speaker 2>plays Echo, What Echo? And how many times are we <v Speaker 2>gonna do that as big time as we can? All right? <v Speaker 2>So I had my mind blown a couple of times. <v Speaker 2>Beverly D'Angelo was an illustrator for Hannah Barbera before she <v Speaker 2>started acting. What what What what? And then she doesn't <v Speaker 2>go into acting, she goes into singing. She's the backup <v Speaker 2>singer for the band that ultimately becomes the band What. Yes, <v Speaker 2>I was just like what and so so yeah, and <v Speaker 2>so this is one of her very earliest acting roles. <v Speaker 2>And she's she's twenty four fox. <v Speaker 3>He is all get up majors right always. Yeah, And <v Speaker 3>they have that really funny moment where he's squeezing the cantalopes. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. She was the first set of boobs I <v Speaker 2>ever saw on the screen. I was hoping you were <v Speaker 2>going to bring that up. She was the first set <v Speaker 2>of boobs I ever saw on the big screen. It <v Speaker 2>will be etched into my memory for Ellen gri yep. <v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. <v Speaker 3>And so she's very young and super attractive, and she <v Speaker 3>gives the film a little kick, as you know, it's <v Speaker 3>a road movie. They meet her sort of halfway. She <v Speaker 3>jumps in with them, but she's cute. And then you've <v Speaker 3>got Ruth Gordon Asthma. Fantastic You Harry Abes deal in <v Speaker 3>my oreos. <v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. And she'd been acting for forever. She was <v Speaker 2>a playwright, she's done everything. Very talented lady. <v Speaker 3>I cannot really see her as anything other than Filo's <v Speaker 3>She's not even Filo's mom. She's Orville's mom, right, But <v Speaker 3>she's just the grumpy old lady. You know, I. <v Speaker 2>Quit in your job letting an old lady die of <v Speaker 2>frost Fike Anker Sawers. It froze around here in thirty <v Speaker 2>years down half. <v Speaker 3>I got thin blood. Let's talk about John Quaid for <v Speaker 3>a second. <v Speaker 2>Then, who stopped him holding you? <v Speaker 1>Oh? <v Speaker 2>There spat on you and let yous ain't stop it dry? <v Speaker 2>So who's high you're gonna nail to the gates of hell? <v Speaker 3>Okay? <v Speaker 2>John Quaid is the leader of the neo Nazi group <v Speaker 2>the Black Widows. <v Speaker 3>Lord, you made some men out of clay, you made <v Speaker 3>mine outish. <v Speaker 2>He's hilarious, right, Oh fantastic. Yeah. <v Speaker 3>So he got involved in acting. I mean just somebody <v Speaker 3>came up to him and said, I like your face. <v Speaker 3>Have you ever thought about acting? <v Speaker 2>Oh? <v Speaker 1>Wow? <v Speaker 2>Yeah. And he was in a ton of those old <v Speaker 2>West TV shows as well, just like Piggy Barnes was. <v Speaker 2>And he was in the Outlaw Josie Wales as one <v Speaker 2>of the would be Well he wasn't quite the would <v Speaker 2>be rapist he was. He was the guy who stopped <v Speaker 2>the would be rapists in the Outlaw Josey Wales, but <v Speaker 2>he got his come uppance anyway, that's right. <v Speaker 3>I like how he's got the little hole in his <v Speaker 3>shirt where you can see the black widow on his <v Speaker 3>temmiy It's great. He is funny in every which way <v Speaker 3>but lose yeh. But he's extra funny in any which <v Speaker 3>way you can. <v Speaker 2>He takes the he takes the absurd campy to the <v Speaker 2>next level. So good, so good. We'll pay for that. <v Speaker 2>You were telling me not to get too political, but <v Speaker 2>you were telling me that he got pretty political for <v Speaker 2>a while. <v Speaker 3>Okay, So here's a couple of things I know about <v Speaker 3>John Quaid. Okay, he worked at sort of an engineering <v Speaker 3>plant and he made parts that are like NASA used <v Speaker 3>and are still on the moon today. Like he manufactured <v Speaker 3>these parts and they're they're. <v Speaker 2>On the moon right now. <v Speaker 3>Wow. Okay, just the guy who played Chola, right, yeah, okay, <v Speaker 3>but he said that he always got these sort of <v Speaker 3>heavy acting roles, like he always plays the tough guy, <v Speaker 3>the bad guy, big teddy bear, very lovable. Kids love him. <v Speaker 3>He's just a lovable type of guy. <v Speaker 2>Yeah. <v Speaker 3>He was very anti government though, and we're not political, <v Speaker 3>but he's one of these guys that's like, the government <v Speaker 3>should not enforce you to register your vehicle and should <v Speaker 3>not require anybody to get. <v Speaker 2>A driver's license. Just is interesting. There you go. <v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we cannot forget We've talked a little bit, <v Speaker 3>but Manus as Clyde. Yeah, here's the thing I think <v Speaker 3>the movies get right. Both of these movies get right. <v Speaker 3>Manus is not the star of the movie. Clint is <v Speaker 3>the star of the movie. Right, movies with monkeys or <v Speaker 3>orangu tangs or chimps, they tend to make that the star, <v Speaker 3>and it's all weighed on an animal who can or <v Speaker 3>can't act. <v Speaker 2>And that's it, right. <v Speaker 3>He's a sidekick. Yeah, he's comedy relief and he's funny <v Speaker 3>as crap. <v Speaker 2>I loved Clint e Swot's take on it because they <v Speaker 2>were talking to him about the difficulty of working with <v Speaker 2>kids and animals, and he's like, he was the most <v Speaker 2>natural actor that I've ever worked with. Now, we had <v Speaker 2>to get it right on the first take because he'd <v Speaker 2>get bored pretty quick. Yeah, and he said, but if <v Speaker 2>you know, people talk about him stealing the show, Well, <v Speaker 2>I'm a producer on the show. So if he steals <v Speaker 2>the show and it's a success, great. <v Speaker 3>Exactly right. Yeah, there's a funny scene with Manis and <v Speaker 3>Clint Eastwood, and you can actually see it on screen. Okay, <v Speaker 3>during the filming of Every which Way but Loose. They're <v Speaker 3>driving in a truck and you can tell he starts <v Speaker 3>to get a little physical with Clint. Okay, he starts <v Speaker 3>to kind of headlock. <v Speaker 2>Him a little bit, uh huh. <v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Clint, I mean cameras are rolling. Like you said, <v Speaker 3>he's a producer. Sometimes you just kind of kind of <v Speaker 3>go with it. Yeah, and you could tell the strength <v Speaker 3>of this animal is hurting Clint a little bit, and <v Speaker 3>he's trying to work his way through the scene. The <v Speaker 3>trainers had to talk on the CB to calm him <v Speaker 3>down a little. <v Speaker 2>Bit, gotcha, because they're strong, those animals. Oh my gosh, <v Speaker 2>rip your arms off, oh man. I mentioned before one <v Speaker 2>of the Black Widows was the Union general in The Outlaw, <v Speaker 2>Jose Wales. That actor's name was Bill McKinney. He's another <v Speaker 2>guy who's just been in a ton of stuff and <v Speaker 2>is very was very good at being both the tough <v Speaker 2>guy as well as the funny guy. Okay, but other <v Speaker 2>movies that he's been in where he's been those various types, <v Speaker 2>First Blood, Back to the Future three, Yeah, and the <v Speaker 2>Green Mile. And then to throw back what you mentioned earlier, <v Speaker 2>a very memorable part that he played was in the <v Speaker 2>movie Deliverance, where he played one of the two hillbillies <v Speaker 2>who Rapedd Bady, the one who says squeal like a pig. Yeah, <v Speaker 2>same guy. <v Speaker 1>Wow. <v Speaker 3>Well, hey, he's carved out a great living for himself. <v Speaker 2>Bang and ned baby day that will live an infa me. <v Speaker 2>I just want to bring this up. <v Speaker 3>Both of these movies are road movies, uh huh, And <v Speaker 3>so it's kind of fun to you're with this ragtag <v Speaker 3>group of guys. They're being chased by a ragtag group. <v Speaker 2>Of guys, and it just so happens. <v Speaker 3>I've told you I don't tend to visit movie locations <v Speaker 3>very often, but coincidentally, I've been to both Georgetown, Colorado, <v Speaker 3>huh A million times. Yeah, and I've been to Jackson <v Speaker 3>Hawayoming Yeah. And so every time I see these scenes, <v Speaker 3>I'm like, I was there. <v Speaker 2>You know. It's funny because you were in San Diego <v Speaker 2>a month ago. Whenever I was watching these movies and <v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, I bet there's a place nearby. <v Speaker 2>I couldn't find any place nearby because almost all the <v Speaker 2>scenes were shot in California, Right, except those two scenes <v Speaker 2>that you're talking. <v Speaker 3>About right before I talk about the scene that I <v Speaker 3>really dislike in this movie. Okay, I want to talk <v Speaker 3>There are some really funny moments in Every Which Way <v Speaker 3>but Lose. Okay, So I want to talk to you <v Speaker 3>about the introduction of Clyde. Now, I don't remember what <v Speaker 3>it was like, you know, way back when before the <v Speaker 3>movie came out, like how much people really knew about <v Speaker 3>that or whatever. Right, but the very beginning of Every <v Speaker 3>Which Way but Loose, Clint's character Philobedo goes into like <v Speaker 3>a barn and he's like Clyde Clyde, and he gets <v Speaker 3>tackled by Clyde. <v Speaker 2>It's like Cato for Peter Sellers. It is right, And I. <v Speaker 3>Remember as a kid, I thought that was hilarious because <v Speaker 3>Clinton speak strong guy. And then this oranging team just <v Speaker 3>damn just tackles him, takes him out. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, and at the end of the fight, Clint Eastwood <v Speaker 2>still has the beer in his hand and gives it <v Speaker 2>to Clyde. Is like the you win, here's your prize, <v Speaker 2>bears to you. Clyde beers to you. I mentioned to <v Speaker 2>you today, I texted you. I'm like I'm watching an interview, <v Speaker 2>like a legitimate interview of Clint Eastwood about this movie, <v Speaker 2>and he is drinking a glass of beer while he's. <v Speaker 3>Doing the because why not. <v Speaker 2>It's a different time, baby, it is. <v Speaker 3>It is. Okay, So I told you when when Clyde <v Speaker 3>is driving the steamroller. Yes, as a kid, top notch comedy, <v Speaker 3>not comedy. <v Speaker 2>Right there, right, comedy gold for an eight year old. <v Speaker 3>Okay, When Orville and Filo get confronted by the Black <v Speaker 3>widows and Orville sneezes on his bicepp, cracks me up, <v Speaker 3>and then they proceed to get in a fight. Filo <v Speaker 3>goes outside and the fight is on, and Orvile's just <v Speaker 3>eating his pecan pie. She's like, don't you think you <v Speaker 3>need to go out and help him. <v Speaker 2>He's like no, no, he's all right, yeah, okay. <v Speaker 3>And then of course Ma shooting the bikes with the shotgun, <v Speaker 3>funniest crape. And then of course Echo and the canalobes. <v Speaker 3>So there were some funny moments, right, even the beginning <v Speaker 3>scene where he gets in a fight with a guy <v Speaker 3>for taking his peanuts at the bar. <v Speaker 2>Right, Well, that's the that's the sheriff. That's like trailing <v Speaker 2>him around, right. <v Speaker 3>That's the sheriff that's trailing him around, right, but he's <v Speaker 3>we're Max in the. <v Speaker 2>Face, yes, Max in the face with the fish. And <v Speaker 2>then some what we would probably say are some racist <v Speaker 2>moments for his sidekick where he's making he's making his sidekick, <v Speaker 2>who's an African American do all of the work digging <v Speaker 2>the hole. He's doing the hike, he's doing it all. <v Speaker 3>All of this was over or Clint taking a little <v Speaker 3>more than his fair share of free peanuts and he <v Speaker 3>chases him across the country and gets smacked in the face. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, let's talk about. <v Speaker 3>The scene that I think we both agree is the <v Speaker 3>worst scene in the movie. <v Speaker 2>Okay, is it when Sandra Locke is singing. <v Speaker 3>No that's a second way so okay, it's the moment <v Speaker 3>at the end when Sondra Locke loses her ever loved mind. <v Speaker 2>When she So I texted you while I was watching <v Speaker 2>any which way you can, Yeah, because I noted that <v Speaker 2>their way of having Filo Beto punched the camera like <v Speaker 2>you're you're the POV of the guy getting punched. Yes, <v Speaker 2>and also with William Smith, same thing. I was like <v Speaker 2>they figured out what they messed up in the first <v Speaker 2>movie because that scene, I mean, she's like spitting and snotty, <v Speaker 2>swing her teeth and just hitting you as the camera <v Speaker 2>and it is just it's not good. It is so <v Speaker 2>off putting. It's weird. <v Speaker 3>He's chased her all the way across the county. We'll <v Speaker 3>get into our final judgment next episode, right, He's chased <v Speaker 3>her all the way because he thinks there's a chance <v Speaker 3>for them to have a relationship, and then she just <v Speaker 3>blasts him with this vitriol and just hatred. <v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's been scammed spoiler alert. She's been scamming him <v Speaker 2>the whole freaking time, stealing his money. And I mean, <v Speaker 2>Sondra Locke, whenever she got interviewed for any which way <v Speaker 2>you can, she was like, I can't believe they put <v Speaker 2>me back in the whose surprise, My character was such <v Speaker 2>a pizza crap. I don't know how, but they they <v Speaker 2>wrote it out and they did a decent job of, <v Speaker 2>you know, making her more sympathetic. And she said, I <v Speaker 2>just pretend that she had a good round of therapy <v Speaker 2>in between the last movie and this movie and its <v Speaker 2>improved as a person. <v Speaker 3>Well that works better in the second movie, or sure, <v Speaker 3>are you ready to talk about the second movie. <v Speaker 2>Let's talk about any which way you can. <v Speaker 3>We'll talk about that next week. Guys, thank you for <v Speaker 3>joining us for this week. That's enough of every which <v Speaker 3>way but loose. Come back next week we talk about <v Speaker 3>any which way you can. The sequel, Oh boy, push <v Speaker 3>me way too far. <v Speaker 2>I got up to ask him why. <v Speaker 1>Then he functs me in
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