Instant Reaction: Hunter Biden Found Guilty

This is breaking new use from Bemberg. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:10.000 Hunter Biden has been convicted of gun charges by a 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:13.840 jury in the Delaware trial. The jury took three hours 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.119 to reach the verdict against the President's son, Junius. Now 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.800 is June Grasso, Bloomberg's legal analyst, June, what do you 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:21.240 make of this ruling today? 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.160 Well, I'm surprised he came in so fast, But there 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.800 was a lot of evidence that the prosecution presented that 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.239 Hunter Biden was addicted to drugs around the time at 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.560 least that he filled out that form. The only hope 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.880 I think that the defense had was jury nullification, the 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.040 jury saying that, you know, there are a lot of 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.200 jurors about four I think it is, who have family 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.240 members who are addicted, and they heard for a week 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.159 about Hunter Biden's you know, descent into addiction and how 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.600 it took him and members of some of the members 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.560 of his family down. So, if those jurors had felt 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.720 some sympathy for Hunter Biden and decided that they didn't 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.240 want to follow the strict instructions, the defense had given 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.280 them some outs to say that he didn't knowingly check 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.880 the box that said I'm not a drug addict. I'm 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.960 not addicted to drugs. I'm not using drugs. And there 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.920 were some technical arguments they could have, you know, clung to, 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.120 but the prosecution just presented a mountain of evidence, including 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.520 hunter Biden's own words in his memoir, including testimony from 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.000 his ex wife and ex lovers. And it turned out 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.280 that the daughter's testimony, which the defense presented, sort of 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:34.240 backfired on them because on cross examination they presented her 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:39.120 with some text messages that showed that around the time 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.400 that the gun was purchased, Hunter Biden was not available. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.520 He wanted to get his car at two am. It 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.840 was very suspicious sounding, sort of sounding like what a 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.240 drug addict would do. So I think, you know, the 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.160 prosecution had a mountain of evidence. What are next steps here? 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.560 I guess sentencing, sentencing, There'll be a probation report, sentencing. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.880 I mean, it's it's anyone's guess with the sentencing, because 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.480 I don't think, you know, he could get I believe 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.320 it's twenty five years, but I don't, you know, think 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.079 the judge would give him that. I mean, this is 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.919 a crime where no one was injured at all. There's 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.399 no victim in this crime. He's the only victim really 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.640 of his drug addiction, and then there'll be a pellet issues. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.519 Then there are some very strong appellate issues because the 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.040 Fifth Circuit, which is a conservative circuit, since the Supreme 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:28.280 Court's landmark decision in the New York gun case, has 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:33.440 said that this law is unconstitutional. The law that makes 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.639 it that doesn't allow someone who is a felon or 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.760 you know, addicted to drugs to have a weapon. So 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:42.840 there's that. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.880 Do we know what the timetable is for sentencing? 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.960 No, the judge will announce the sentencing timetable. It depends. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.160 I don't know about Delaware, I mean New York. It's 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:53.239 usually within a month or so. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.919 But do we know when the judge would announce that 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.600 or is that to be determined at this point? 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.400 The judge usually when he takes the or she this 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.560 case takes the jury vertic will announce the sentencing date. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.280 But again, you know, I'm not sure what's going to 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.520 happen in this case. Why was this case braud who 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.520 brought this case? Well, that is a big question. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:16.880 Or two. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.000 I mean, this is a this is a special council, 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.400 And what happened was he was investigating this for quite 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.359 some time they had reached a deal. Hunter Biden and 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.119 the Special UH Counsel's office weiss they'd reached a deal 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.000 in which he wouldn't serve any jail time and he 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.600 would also settle the California tax case. When it came 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.760 to this judge, they went to court. They expected the 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.240 deal to you know, be announced and informalized, and the 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.360 judge found some problems with the way the deal was structured, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.480 and it just blew up there in the courtroom. The 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.560 judge said that, you know, there's something wrong, and then 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.720 the defense said, well, we're not going to plead guilty 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.200 if this, that, and the other. It just blew up, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.920 and so at that point they decided to go to trial. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.280 But it's all about a special counsel who has been 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.040 appointed to oversee the Hunter Biden cases. And I think 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.040 we've seen that special counsel often feel that if they 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.680 don't bring cases, if they don't win cases, then what 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:18.400 are they there for. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.080 Do you expect that the Biden administration would make any 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:22.920 sort of comment on this. 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.680 The President has already said that he will not He 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.960 could pardon his son, but he has said that he 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.799 will not pardon his son. That he'll accept the jury's verdict. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.000 So I don't know if you're gonna hear anything more 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.880 than that. The first lady has been at the trial 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.000 almost every day. She flew to France to be with 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.599 her husband and then she came back, and so they've 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:52.400 had an incredibly large family gatherings there and apparently, you know, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.760 crowding the courtroom to the point where the Secret Service 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.400 didn't know where to sit. So and they've had prayers, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.480 you know, sort of prayer gather rings in the mornings. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.359 All right, Joe, to stay right there. For political reaction, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.360 we can bring in Jeannie Shane Zeno, Bloomer Politics contributor 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.719 and senior democracy fellow with the Center for the Study 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.440 of the Presidency and Congress. Jennie, thanks so much for 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.440 joining us here. What's the political repercussions here for President Biden. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.680 Well, you know, the easy answer is, we really don't know, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.320 because this is the first time we have had a 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.360 president's child who, while they are sitting as president, has 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.159 faced criminal charges and of course now been found guilty. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.800 So that is one thing. But we have seen some 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.040 polling on this. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.359 For instance, Emerson did a poll and they found similar 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:47.360 to the reaction to Trump's conviction that about six or 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.359 seven out of ten American voters said it wouldn't impact 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.760 their vote whatsoever. But that left about a quarter of 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.679 Americans saying it might impact them. And in this case, 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.960 about eleven percent of those were Democrats. And in an 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.680 election this tight, if you see drop off of eleven percent, 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.880 potentially that can have an impact. So there is an 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.120 electoral impact that we're going to see how that sort 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.520 of comes out in the wash by the time we 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.520 get to November. The other part of this, though, is, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:21.240 as June knows, Hunter Biden is facing other charges this fall, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.600 potentially before the election in California that could have an impact. 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.760 And of course there's a very personal impact on the 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.479 President and the first Lady. I think we undercount how 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.240 much of a toll this takes on a father or 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.320 a mother, a parent in this case, and how that 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.080 can impact a candidate running for office on top of 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.080 trying to serve as president of the United States. So 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.480 all of those are real repercussions. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.480 Here all right. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.479 Also on right now, I want to bring in Joe Matthew, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:57.120 co host a Balance of Power from Washington, DC. Joe, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.680 what's the feeling within DC about this hold, the legal 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.400 issues facing the president's son here and how they're being pursued. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:05.600 What's the feeling in Washington. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.880 Well, it depends who you ask, just like anything else. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.920 If you talk to the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.960 Jim Jordan, the chair of the Oversight Committee, James Comer, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.160 they will tell you this is part of the narrative 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.440 that brings you to understand the what they like to 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.000 refer to as the Biden crime family. But every hearing 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.600 that's been held and every attempt to get the president 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:30.360 involved here has so far fallen flat by this Republican conference, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:32.720 And so you know, people are kind of watching this 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.360 from the sidelines. If you ask Democrats, they're outraged, and 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.080 they'll say Donald Trump complains about the weaponization of government 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.040 and the judicial system, and this is it on full display. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.200 How many people have been tried and convicted on these 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.880 crimes before. But look, you know, it's just another brick 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.520 in the wall. To be honest with you here, it 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.040 kind of depends on what you are looking at, who 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.400 you support, and what the roar shack test is here. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.680 If you were already upset with Joe Biden, then this 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.960 helps your argument. And if you see a double standard 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.040 with Donald Trump, that's another question here. We have to 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.200 remind ourselves that Hunter Biden is not running for president. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.160 I want to bring June Grasso back into this conversation. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.400 What other potential legal issues might Hunter be facing if 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:14.680 at all. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:19.320 Well, he's facing a trial in California over his taxes 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.760 and what he filed on his taxes. That's considered a 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.920 much more substantial case than this one was, because that's 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.640 a case that has been brought before this case over 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.800 the gun charges. It's very rare. No one I've talked 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.600 to knows anyone who's been tried or has represented anyone 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.679 who's been tried on charges like this where you were 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.160 a drug addict, I would say allegedly, But now I 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.520 guess the jury confirmed that you were a drug addict. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.839 You lied on the form and bought a gun, but 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.400 there was no crime associated with that gun. The gun 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.960 stayed locked away. So it's unusual to bring a federal 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.480 case over something like that. Normally that would be something 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.520 to be pleted out and which, as I explained before, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.040 what they tried to plead it out here. So and 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:10.400 he's facing you know, it's three felonies here, so and 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.480 they're all related to this one transaction checking this box. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:18.480 It's very unusual to have even people, even some Republicans, 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.320 have come out and said that this is a really 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:21.360 unusual case. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.920 Jennie, how do you think the Biden administration and the 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.080 Biden campaign will in fact address this issue going forward 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:29.880 during the campaign. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.240 I think they will continue to say that this is 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.640 a very personal and tough issue for the president. He 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.720 loves his son, but he has let the Justice Department 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.199 do its work, obviously unimpeded by the president. And this 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.559 is further proof of the fact that when Donald Trump 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:51.280 says there is a political persecution of him, that is 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.600 not the case. Because here you have the president's owned 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.600 DOJ prosecuting his son, and now that jury finding him guilty, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.120 facing potent twenty five years in jail. All of that's 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.000 unlikely obviously, So I think they're going to just make 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.199 that case, and the President has promised not to do 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.280 what he could do, which is pardon his son, although 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.480 I believe that that will be increasingly tough for the 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.120 President as he faces sort of a choice nobody wants 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.400 between their role as a parent and their job as 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.200 leader of the free world. This is very, very tough 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:24.559 for him. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.240 Joe Matthew, Let's bring you back into this conversation because 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.079 when you have an instance here with what's happening with 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.760 President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden here facing this and 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.000 then Juxta positioned that against what Trump when he was 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.000 just found guilty on all thirty four counts of falcifying 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.599 those business records, At what point, Because you've covered so 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.720 many different election cycles, have you seen a dynamic something 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.920 like this when you have two different nominees facing different 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.480 issues such as the ease that would be never right. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:58.280 I figured we are repeatedly and uncharted waters here, and 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.839 I would look back to what June was pointing to. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.240 There's going to be another trial. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.600 This is going to be something that involves a subject 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.840 matter when it comes to taxes that will resonate with people. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.120 He's accused of not paying a million dollars in taxes. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.920 It's going to bring back to the Barismas story, the 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.319 so called, like I said, Biden crime family that Marjorie 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.760 Taylor Green and others who tried to impeach the president 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.040 like to talk about. And it's going to happen much 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.280 closer to the election day itself. This is going to 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.680 be something that likely takes place in the fall. June 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.360 can probably speak to any efforts to delay that trial, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.880 But look, people have short memories. Are they going to 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.199 be talking about this when we're in the middle of that? 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.880 So I would point you to the fall, and I 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.199 would also remind you that we don't have a sentencing 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:42.920 date yet, and it's going to be interesting to see 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.600 the way that lands. Whether this is incarceratory or if 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.199 he faces a fine. That's still a question of course 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:51.280 for Donald Trump as well. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.480 So June, I mean, I know we're kind of an 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.599 uncharted territory here as it relates to this type of 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:02.520 crime followed through to conviction. Are sentencing guidelines any useful 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.200 to observers or how do we think about a potential 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:06.679 sentence here? 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:07.000 Well? 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.560 As Genie said, twenty five years is a possible sentence, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.120 but I can't imagine that the judge would sentenced him 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.360 to that. There's going to be a pre sentence report. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.959 Of course. The pre sentence report will show that he's 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.800 still facing another trial, and that part of the pre 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.559 sentence report is whether you're addicted to drugs or you 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.760 have any physical limitations. So it's hard for me to 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.240 say to guess what the what the judge will do here. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.360 I mean, she knows all the facts in the case. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.480 She knows that there was a deal that collapsed, and 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.199 so you know, it's just hard to just say, I 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:42.600 don't know. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.559 What this judge will do Genie when it comes to 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.800 because you had mentioned pulling before, obviously there's been a 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.400 number of election cycles in the last decade where the 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.240 pulling has been quite off and also tends to be 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.120 delayed in some ways. How does this potentially complicate some 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.080 things in your mind. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.040 Yeah, it's a great question, because this is very complicated. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.480 You're asking people what they may do in November if 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.960 a hypothetical child of a president gets convicted, which has 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.720 now happened in the last few minutes. So it's it's 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.160 hard to know if people will, to Joe's point, remember 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.440 all of this come November, and it will truly impact 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.560 what they do in the polls. Certainly the Biden team 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.120 is hoping it does not, but the fact that he 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.760 is coming up with his other trial, which is obviously 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.000 much more damaging if it goes forward in California would 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.400 potentially make the numbers we're seeing worse. But what we've 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.880 seen so far is Emerson saying about eleven percent of 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.800 Democrats say they will not vote for Joe Biden as 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.839 a result of this. So I don't know if we 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.319 could take that to the polls as they will, but 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.959 you know, that's what the numbers are saying. And you know, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.599 one interesting thing to note is that Donald Trump, he 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.840 has not been talking about this as a you might expect, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.199 like as he would make maybe the Barisma case or 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.559 the tax case. He's been talking about it sort of empathetically, 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.560 talking about his brother who was an alcoholic and died. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.520 I suspect when we get to the next trial, the 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.400 rhetoric from Trump and the right will be much more 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.360 difficult and tough on Joe Biden and much more reminiscent 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.280 of what they were saying and using Hunter Biden as 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.440 a lightning rod, but on this because it involves addiction, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:24.800 they haven't been quite. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.080 As tough Joe. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.480 Is this the new normal in Washington, DC? Where past 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:35.000 presidents relatives of current presidents are being sued and taken 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:35.440 a court? 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.480 And is this the new normal? 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:38.960 It feels like it. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.240 I thought impeachment was the new normal, but I guess 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.600 we're just doing this in criminal court now. I think 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.200 you just have to think about it, though, and say, like, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.360 which battle are we talking about? We keep focusing on 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.320 November here for good reason. We're in the throes of 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.240 an historic election cycle. But let's talk about the way 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.920 the campaigns might hear who won the day. Donald Trump 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.800 probably did, because otherwise we'd be talking about his first 0:14:59.040 --> 0:14:59.760 meeting ever with a. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.520 Pro bation officer yesterday. He had to sit for that virtual. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.720 Interview for half an hour, and it will not really 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.240 be talked about now because of Joe Biden's son. But 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.160 when you talk about who's going to win the month 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.640 or the season, we have to factor in a lot 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.080 of other things here, including Donald Trump's own sentencing, the 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.960 debate that's coming up just a couple of weeks away, 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.800 never mind the conventions that are going to follow it. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.840 So we do want to take it one step at 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.240 a time here, and you could probably say pretty easily 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.280 that this is a win for Trump. Be curious to 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.320 see what he says. To Genie's point, He's been a 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.880 little bit careful with this one because of the personal 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.560 nature of this trial and that will look a lot 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:35.600 different in the next one. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.520 This is breaking you whose from Lumberg