Cattitude - Episode 300 - Valerie Bertinelli Talks Cats, Chaos & Cat Mom Life

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone, I'd like to welcome at Valerie Berton. Ellie,
<v Speaker 2>Welcome Valerie. I'm so excited to have you on Catitude.
<v Speaker 5>I'm so happy to be here. For those of you
<v Speaker 5>who can't see, I have Batman next to me. He
<v Speaker 5>is now scratching his little jowl. But yes, I'm in
<v Speaker 5>my office. I actually have a pillow in my drawer.
<v Speaker 5>Nothing in the drawer. It's meant for a pillow for
<v Speaker 5>Batman because he needs to be next to me when
<v Speaker 5>I'm writing, when I'm doing the things in my office.
<v Speaker 5>So that's my boy.
<v Speaker 2>So that's Batman. And what are your other cats?
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I still say Nelson, even though Nelson left us
<v Speaker 5>a year ago.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 5>With the very first cat that I fostered and decided
<v Speaker 5>to keep. Then Henry, who's an all white with gold
<v Speaker 5>eyes cat. He is amazing. It's like the dude is
<v Speaker 5>high all the time. And he's absolutely gaga in love
<v Speaker 5>with my daughter in law, which is adorable. Like every
<v Speaker 5>time they come over, he kind of knows what the
<v Speaker 5>sound of their car is, so he knows that you
<v Speaker 5>know Andrea is coming in the house and you get
<v Speaker 5>so happy. And then I have Tigger, who is I
<v Speaker 5>call him a tabby tuxedo because he's got an all
<v Speaker 5>white neck and chest and white shoes. And but he's
<v Speaker 5>the one that chirps at me almost every morning at
<v Speaker 5>the top of the stairs. But he doesn't come in
<v Speaker 5>and sleep with me, but he waits for me outside
<v Speaker 5>my bedroom. He's got a couple beds up there and
<v Speaker 5>he chooses which everyone he wants to be in. And
<v Speaker 5>so that's Tig Tig. And then there are Bubba and Bo,
<v Speaker 5>who were my parents' cats, and I had fostered them
<v Speaker 5>for my parents about twelve years ago, and when my
<v Speaker 5>parents passed, I took them in and now they are
<v Speaker 5>no longer my cats. They are Wolfy and Andrea's cats.
<v Speaker 5>They just came back to me because Wolfe's leading on
<v Speaker 5>tour this week, and they were very sad about it,
<v Speaker 5>not just the cats, but Drea and Wolfie walk out
<v Speaker 5>of here crying because they're going to miss their boys
<v Speaker 5>so much. But wow, So I take care of Bubba
<v Speaker 5>and Bo while Wolfy Andrea are on the road. So
<v Speaker 5>you have five at one, yes, I do. I had six.
<v Speaker 5>I have five now, and when Bubba and Bo are
<v Speaker 5>with their parents, I have three. And then I have Luna,
<v Speaker 5>my pup.
<v Speaker 2>You know, house full of fur babes.
<v Speaker 5>There's nothing better than a house full of her babies.
<v Speaker 5>I just I wouldn't have it any other way. I
<v Speaker 5>have never not had a cat in my life from
<v Speaker 5>the moment I was born. Like my mom loved cats. Wolfee,
<v Speaker 5>my son has never not had a cat in his life,
<v Speaker 5>so he loves cats. And we've had dogs here and there.
<v Speaker 5>I don't think I'll ever get another dog after Luna
<v Speaker 5>because she's like super special. But I've had other dogs
<v Speaker 5>before her, and you know, Sherman was special in his
<v Speaker 5>own way, but yeah, Luna's something else, so nobody can
<v Speaker 5>compare to her.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about your cat crew. Your main crew is
<v Speaker 2>the three cats, right, is Tigger and Batman and Henry
<v Speaker 2>So who's the boss?
<v Speaker 5>Batman and he's also the smallest. Yeah, Batman's the boss,
<v Speaker 5>although Tigger, who is the youngest, tries to take over
<v Speaker 5>the boss categories. And they'll get into little fights once
<v Speaker 5>in a while that I have to break up. But
<v Speaker 5>it's pretty much Batman. But Tigger, who's got a good
<v Speaker 5>five six pounds on Batman, can sometimes win those arguments,
<v Speaker 5>so I have to, you know, keep them settled. Sometimes
<v Speaker 5>and sometimes all I need to do is just turn
<v Speaker 5>on bird TV and Batman will be yeah, interested cat,
<v Speaker 5>And like Tigger doesn't care about bird TV. But Batman
<v Speaker 5>and Henry do whatever keeps them excited, whatever keeps them happy. Exactly.
<v Speaker 2>What is the strangest catastrophe you've ever come home to
<v Speaker 2>or noticed that one of your cats did.
<v Speaker 5>Oh, there's been stuff where like I'll hear a crash
<v Speaker 5>in the middle of the night, and I'll be what
<v Speaker 5>the hell was that? And I'll be too tired to
<v Speaker 5>get up. I'll come down in the morning and I
<v Speaker 5>have a glass vase on my island that is just
<v Speaker 5>like destroyed and everywhere, and it's inevitably Batman that has
<v Speaker 5>pushed it off the counter. So I don't do that
<v Speaker 5>any longer. I no longer keep flowers in glass vases.
<v Speaker 5>I keep herbs in my kitchen window. And that's to
<v Speaker 5>the extent of it, because they chew on the flowers,
<v Speaker 5>they knock over the vases, but they don't knock over
<v Speaker 5>the herbs, thank God. And I love flowers, so it's
<v Speaker 5>really hard for me to have flowers.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they make Maybe you could do
<v Speaker 2>a plastic baz, but then if they chew the flowers, you.
<v Speaker 5>Know, yeah, exactly. There's certain flowers that you really shouldn't
<v Speaker 5>have her own cats, so and I know that's lily's.
<v Speaker 5>They've never been interested in lilies, and I keep them,
<v Speaker 5>you know, when I used to get them, I kept
<v Speaker 5>them in a very big vase high up, so they've
<v Speaker 5>always been safe from that. But I love tulips. They're
<v Speaker 5>my favorite flower, and that man has a tendency to
<v Speaker 5>want to chew on those, so I don't get them
<v Speaker 5>any longer. I'll put them up for special occasions, but
<v Speaker 5>then I have to bring them up to my room
<v Speaker 5>or put them behind a clothes room when I go
<v Speaker 5>to bed.
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it funny how we arrange our lives for cats?
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god. Yeah. I mean I have to have
<v Speaker 5>little plastic sheets of like little so they don't jump
<v Speaker 5>up on my stove. I have to have stuff on
<v Speaker 5>the counters so they don't jump up there anymore. And
<v Speaker 5>I do that because they started spraying, and oh, which
<v Speaker 5>is not fun. It's not flipping fun at all, No,
<v Speaker 5>So I just have to and they spray. When Wolfe
<v Speaker 5>Andrea's cats are here, they don't even though they've known
<v Speaker 5>each other their entire lives. For some reason, they don't
<v Speaker 5>like those two boys, Bubba and Bo, so I have
<v Speaker 5>to get them separated. Bubba and Bo get the cadio
<v Speaker 5>and the bedroom that hooks onto the cadio. I have one, two.
<v Speaker 5>I have three litter boxes. I should have more, but
<v Speaker 5>right now, well I'm sorry, one, two, three. I have
<v Speaker 5>four litter boxes. There were five cats. I mean it
<v Speaker 5>could I could stand to have one more, but I
<v Speaker 5>don't know where I would put it. But right now,
<v Speaker 5>you know, one little box gets used the most, which
<v Speaker 5>drives me crazy. I just I'm like, there's three other
<v Speaker 5>little boxes, you guys. Come on.
<v Speaker 2>They all tend to like the same one.
<v Speaker 5>They do, and I thought they like different ones. I
<v Speaker 5>thought you were supposed to give your you know, a cat.
<v Speaker 5>They're each other own. They just they don't, you know.
<v Speaker 5>And then sometimes they'll like they'll get mad at me
<v Speaker 5>and they will poop outside the box, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 5>what is happening. I now have to put like peepads
<v Speaker 5>up around the walls for the other little box because
<v Speaker 5>they will spray against the wall. And like it's like,
<v Speaker 5>I love them dearly, but they make me want to
<v Speaker 5>pull my hair out. Sometimes I can suggest to your listeners, Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>don't ever get five male cats, mix it up with
<v Speaker 5>male and feed. I have five male cats, and they
<v Speaker 5>just started spraying in the last like since my mom died,
<v Speaker 5>since twenty nineteen. So it's like so frustrating, But you know,
<v Speaker 5>what are you gonna do? I love them so much.
<v Speaker 5>I just wish they wouldn't start marking territory around the house.
<v Speaker 5>It's like, y'all, there's a big enough house. You can
<v Speaker 5>go anywhere you want. Stop marking territory.
<v Speaker 2>I'm so lucky my male does not, and my cats
<v Speaker 2>are all lazy. So my biggest pier with cats is
<v Speaker 2>I thought they would jump up and knock stuff over
<v Speaker 2>and all that. Nope, they're so funny.
<v Speaker 5>A couple of my cats can't jump on the counters,
<v Speaker 5>so they don't. But Batman is the one that is
<v Speaker 5>the most agile and jumps everywhere we deal. But you
<v Speaker 5>know what, I couldn't. I don't even want to think
<v Speaker 5>of my life without him right now. He's thirteen years old,
<v Speaker 5>and I hate that. My soul cat died when he
<v Speaker 5>was thirteen, and it was I mean, I still had
<v Speaker 5>them as a screensaver on my phone next to me,
<v Speaker 5>so it's like, I can't do it. I can't. And
<v Speaker 5>I just lost Nelson last year. He was twelve. I
<v Speaker 5>don't like it. I don't like it that cats die
<v Speaker 5>so long.
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're living longer, they are.
<v Speaker 5>They are. Yeah, the king is good for a cat.
<v Speaker 5>But I expect these guys to live twenty years at least.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they could. I think Dennis, he was abandoned.
<v Speaker 2>I think he's seventeen.
<v Speaker 5>Oh while, Yeah, that's great. Still spin and I had
<v Speaker 5>a cat Ded. She lived till she was like sixteen
<v Speaker 5>and a half. I'm like, that's good, but I want
<v Speaker 5>longer with these boys. I love them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mo fingers crossed. Let's talk about your new book,
<v Speaker 2>Getting Naked. So where did the title come from.
<v Speaker 5>I have spent a large part of my life just
<v Speaker 5>trying to get naked emotionally with myself, to get honest,
<v Speaker 5>to get naked, and I wanted to write a book
<v Speaker 5>about this path I've been on and how how I
<v Speaker 5>feel like I've grown so much, and I have information
<v Speaker 5>to share with people that might help them if they
<v Speaker 5>feel stuck in certain places. I have meditations in the book.
<v Speaker 5>I have a chapter called if my pets could talk
<v Speaker 5>to me, because my pets, I really do wish if
<v Speaker 5>I could talk to my animals and if they could
<v Speaker 5>talk to me, because I feel like they spend their
<v Speaker 5>entire lives with us, and like I want to see
<v Speaker 5>myself through my cats and my dog's eyes because I
<v Speaker 5>know how much they unconditionally love me. And sometimes I
<v Speaker 5>want to talk to my the way I talk to
<v Speaker 5>my animals. When Luna, when I wake her up in
<v Speaker 5>the morning, I say, come on, let's go peepe and
<v Speaker 5>She's like, starts wagon her tail or, a whole butt
<v Speaker 5>moves with it. I'm like, you go, a little girl,
<v Speaker 5>look at your little butt move. That's so cute. Like
<v Speaker 5>why don't I talk to myself that way? You know,
<v Speaker 5>Like why don't I talk to myself the way I
<v Speaker 5>love my animals. So that was what that chapter originally
<v Speaker 5>started to be about. And then it's just my love
<v Speaker 5>for my animals and the grief that we feel when
<v Speaker 5>they leave us, and you know, it's just, Oh, I
<v Speaker 5>love them so much, and I want to help people.
<v Speaker 5>I want to help them get through challenging times, and
<v Speaker 5>I hope my meditations will help them, and I hope
<v Speaker 5>listening to my stories or reading my stories may help
<v Speaker 5>them not feel so alone with some of the you know,
<v Speaker 5>challenges they go through in their own life.
<v Speaker 2>So you talked about in your book you mentioned it's
<v Speaker 2>about getting emotional and all of that. Why would you
<v Speaker 2>tell our listeners if they're thinking, well, why should I
<v Speaker 2>hear that from Valerie BURTNELLI.
<v Speaker 5>I get it. I totally get it.
<v Speaker 2>I get it. I've been a fan for years, and
<v Speaker 2>I you know a lot about you, not everything, obviously,
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of listeners might not be as familiar
<v Speaker 2>with everything you've gone through. So what would you tell
<v Speaker 2>the listeners that, yeah, this is why I wrote it,
<v Speaker 2>and this is why you need to be this.
<v Speaker 5>My life experience. Yes, yes, I mean, I mean, I'm
<v Speaker 5>sixty five years old. A lot of shit.
<v Speaker 2>Wait, you look like you're about barely thirty.
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, you're so kind. You are so.
<v Speaker 2>Amazing, like thinking, oh my gosh, I need to start
<v Speaker 2>doing something because I oh stop stop wonderful.
<v Speaker 5>No, I you know, thank you. That's very kind of you.
<v Speaker 5>I actually talk about that in the intro to my
<v Speaker 5>book about you know, why I'm writing it and what
<v Speaker 5>I hope to give to people through writing it. And
<v Speaker 5>then you know what I've been through a little bit,
<v Speaker 5>and I get it. I get it, like, why the
<v Speaker 5>hell should we listen to you your privilege. You're in
<v Speaker 5>a bubble. And I totally understand that I do have
<v Speaker 5>a perspective on life that might not be heard all
<v Speaker 5>the time. I still, you know, lived a lot of
<v Speaker 5>my life not in the public eye, but I live
<v Speaker 5>a big majority of my life like in the public eye,
<v Speaker 5>which you know, makes you see things differently. Even though
<v Speaker 5>I've been in the public eye, I've gone through traumatic things.
<v Speaker 5>I had a traumatic experience that I talk about in
<v Speaker 5>the book when I was eleven years old. I go
<v Speaker 5>through body image and why that's so important for us
<v Speaker 5>to change that in this industry and in the world,
<v Speaker 5>you know, not just this industry, you know, and how
<v Speaker 5>we can love ourselves more and the process is and
<v Speaker 5>why I got to where I had gotten and how
<v Speaker 5>helpful it can be. But I understand people think that
<v Speaker 5>I'm in this privileged bubble, but I've also had life
<v Speaker 5>experience that I think could help them. And listen. Nobody
<v Speaker 5>says you have to listen to me. Nobody says you
<v Speaker 5>have to buy the book or anything. But I think
<v Speaker 5>I could help you if you're open to it.
<v Speaker 2>I think people need to hear you. And I appreciate
<v Speaker 2>that you you know, mentioned you've had privilege, but you've
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of challenges too, people and that's just
<v Speaker 2>people that know you're you know what whatsoever, always been
<v Speaker 2>out in the public.
<v Speaker 5>Right right, And I mean I get pretty raw in
<v Speaker 5>this book and talk about, you know, traumatic experiences, because
<v Speaker 5>I also think that once we start naming it and
<v Speaker 5>talking about it, and once we start talking about what
<v Speaker 5>we may feel shame about, even though we know that's
<v Speaker 5>not our shame to carry, I think it could be
<v Speaker 5>helpful for someone else, you know, to work through it.
<v Speaker 5>I talk about my experience with EMDR, which is a
<v Speaker 5>therapeutic experience where you For me, my EMDR was holding
<v Speaker 5>paddles in my hand. It's also an eye movement that
<v Speaker 5>helps your brain settle to a point to where you
<v Speaker 5>can access the emotions so that you can process them.
<v Speaker 5>So I talk about that in the book, and I
<v Speaker 5>talk about things that I'm hoping will be helpful to people.
<v Speaker 5>Even with my I think more importantly, because I had
<v Speaker 5>this privilege, I need to make things available to people
<v Speaker 5>that might not be able to get it. And I
<v Speaker 5>think therapy is important, and I know it's expensive, but
<v Speaker 5>I also think if we open up communication to people
<v Speaker 5>through talk shows like you have, and you know, even
<v Speaker 5>though we're talking about pets, we're still human beings, you know,
<v Speaker 5>I mean pets. There's a lot of stuff to the
<v Speaker 5>people that care for the pets that we love. So
<v Speaker 5>I think it's just about community and making people not
<v Speaker 5>feel so alone.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's actually very generous of you to share
<v Speaker 2>all of this in a book.
<v Speaker 5>Oh well, thank you, because.
<v Speaker 2>There's so many that don't. And you know, it's a
<v Speaker 2>book about a lot of things, and of course you
<v Speaker 2>you know, mention your cat's run the book. But again, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>were all people when we come down to it, and
<v Speaker 2>human and there's a lot that comes with human.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean there's a lot just coming up being
<v Speaker 5>a human being. A lot comes with even just the
<v Speaker 5>world around us is crazy, you know, and then sometimes
<v Speaker 5>our households can be a little crazy. Sometimes our parents
<v Speaker 5>didn't model good loving behavior. Sometimes we all have things
<v Speaker 5>we need to get through. So I hope that the
<v Speaker 5>people who need to hear it and need to feel
<v Speaker 5>seen and heard will feel seen and heard, and the
<v Speaker 5>people that don't need it. I'm cool with that too.
<v Speaker 5>I'm not trying to push anything down anybody's throat.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I appreciate all of that. Let's talk about food,
<v Speaker 2>because you have been on a lot of food shows,
<v Speaker 2>You've talked a lot about food. You have something coming
<v Speaker 2>up related to food.
<v Speaker 5>You mention the name, Yeah, Valerie's Place, it's actually place.
<v Speaker 5>That's what live today Valeriesplace dot com. Okay, our act
<v Speaker 5>is going to be coming soon. I have three cooking
<v Speaker 5>shows on it. I will also have live cooking on
<v Speaker 5>it where I can cook with people or they can
<v Speaker 5>cook along with me. I'm going to have a podcast
<v Speaker 5>called Getting Naked Podcast, and I'm going to have a
<v Speaker 5>book club that I want to share book recommendations with people,
<v Speaker 5>and I also have them share recommendations with me. And also,
<v Speaker 5>you know, at least six times a year, maybe more,
<v Speaker 5>I want to have a book group where everyone you
<v Speaker 5>know gets onto a zoom and we actually discussed the
<v Speaker 5>book and we talk about it.
<v Speaker 2>You're going to be busy.
<v Speaker 5>I am going to be busy, and I'm good with that.
<v Speaker 5>I'm so good with that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a voracious reader, so I love the idea of
<v Speaker 2>a book club what are you reading now? I have
<v Speaker 2>a new author Raise I think her last name is.
<v Speaker 2>But I just finished Christina Hannah her book mid Night Rules.
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I read.
<v Speaker 2>So much I have don't sweat the small stuff.
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I love self help books too.
<v Speaker 2>I am digital because I use my library card though
<v Speaker 2>so and I'm a big fan of Libby, which I
<v Speaker 2>do not own or anything, but without it, I could
<v Speaker 2>not get by. Yeah. Back in the day when you
<v Speaker 2>had to use your library, you know, when the old
<v Speaker 2>school years ago. I loved that. I loved I think
<v Speaker 2>I used my library card more than I use credit
<v Speaker 2>cards because I always had to have books I have
<v Speaker 2>to have to read. That's why I think I'm nearsighted
<v Speaker 2>because from your young age, I remember sitting there reading
<v Speaker 2>with a stack of books reading.
<v Speaker 5>It was just like, you know, it's my joy. I
<v Speaker 5>love doing it. I don't get to do it a lot.
<v Speaker 5>But that's what I love about traveling is I get
<v Speaker 5>to get on an airplane and I don't get the
<v Speaker 5>Wi Fi because most of the time it doesn't work anyway. Yeah,
<v Speaker 5>so that's my chance to do my crossword puzzles and
<v Speaker 5>to read a good book. It's my one of my
<v Speaker 5>favorite times because nobody can get a hold of me
<v Speaker 5>and I have just that time to really get myself
<v Speaker 5>into a book.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly what are you meaning now?
<v Speaker 5>I'm just about to start Feel of Golden. I finished
<v Speaker 5>Martyr and I thought it was absolutely gorgeous. It's such
<v Speaker 5>a beautiful book. He has a quote in the book.
<v Speaker 5>It was, Oh, what's the quote? Is like something like
<v Speaker 5>love appears when you open the door and walk in
<v Speaker 5>the room or something. He's much more poetic about it
<v Speaker 5>than I am, but it was like, it just hit me, like,
<v Speaker 5>that's so gorgeous. I love Louise Hay, but right now
<v Speaker 5>I want to read the Feel of Golden. I've been
<v Speaker 5>in a book group for almost thirty years and that
<v Speaker 5>is the book group for this month. So I'm about
<v Speaker 5>to go get it so that i can then take
<v Speaker 5>it on airplane because I'm flying on Sunday.
<v Speaker 2>Good I get with all the reading I've done, I've
<v Speaker 2>never done a book group, so oh, it's so fun
<v Speaker 2>something to look into.
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you it is the best. I have been
<v Speaker 5>with these ladies for so many decades, and I learned
<v Speaker 5>about new books through them. I love the books that
<v Speaker 5>they read. Sometimes we have really crappy books. I mean,
<v Speaker 5>we're always very clear, we understand what kind of work
<v Speaker 5>goes into writing a book, and I never disparage the
<v Speaker 5>author at all. I was just like, this isn't for me.
<v Speaker 5>I don't like these characters. It make me comfortable to
<v Speaker 5>hang out with for a while. So there are some
<v Speaker 5>books that I'm likenh but those actually start the greatest
<v Speaker 5>conversations in book group. So even if the book it
<v Speaker 5>isn't something you all love, we have a great conversation.
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to look for one. You can start your
<v Speaker 2>own or start my own. It's interesting when you say that,
<v Speaker 2>because there are some books since I'll look at different
<v Speaker 2>you know, things online, the best pics, all that kind
<v Speaker 2>of stuff.
<v Speaker 5>I follow a lot of book talkers on TikTok and yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then sometimes there's a book. There's Sally Rizo
<v Speaker 2>write something I'm probably mispronouncing. Everyone love book book, greatest book,
<v Speaker 2>greatest book. I try to read it. The voice, the tone,
<v Speaker 2>it's just conversational, never ending.
<v Speaker 5>Right. Yeah, some books are for us, you know, and
<v Speaker 5>I don't disparage the author. I'm just yeah, this one's
<v Speaker 5>not for me. I mean, there was a book I
<v Speaker 5>hate not finishing a book. I hate it. But the
<v Speaker 5>book that I just read last month, I said, I
<v Speaker 5>can't do this anymore. I just don't like these people.
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to be around them anymore. I don't
<v Speaker 5>want to lie in bed and get comfortable and then
<v Speaker 5>just be surrounded by people I don't like. So I
<v Speaker 5>just stopped reading it, and I told the book group
<v Speaker 5>I was that, I'm so sorry, because we really all
<v Speaker 5>do try to finish. About three other women didn't finish
<v Speaker 5>it either. They said, yeah, I couldn't take them. You know,
<v Speaker 5>the writing was beautiful, there was gorgeous poetry in it,
<v Speaker 5>but I didn't like the people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And what I hate is when I discover an
<v Speaker 2>author and I love the author, read all the books,
<v Speaker 2>and then I'm done. Oh I know like one of
<v Speaker 2>my favorite authors. I mean, it might be a little
<v Speaker 2>chick lidy, but I think she's more than have you
<v Speaker 2>read her?
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I just finished Great, Big, Beautiful Life.
<v Speaker 2>I've read every all I did the plot twist, I gasped.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know when I read it. It might have
<v Speaker 2>been a while ago.
<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, I just oh my god, I love that book.
<v Speaker 2>I've read all of that.
<v Speaker 5>I'm so with you on her. I I've only read
<v Speaker 5>that book of hers.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've read but everyone.
<v Speaker 5>I loved it. I'm going to read definitely read more
<v Speaker 5>of hers. She has great But you know what I
<v Speaker 5>also love an author I love that. I've read almost
<v Speaker 5>all her books is Geraldine Brooks. And Horse was a
<v Speaker 5>really good book that I absolutely adored. And then she
<v Speaker 5>wrote a book called Memorial Day after that. She wrote
<v Speaker 5>that about the process of writing Horse when her husband died.
<v Speaker 5>It was so beautiful. I had no idea that her
<v Speaker 5>husband died while she was writing Horse, and for her
<v Speaker 5>to be able to finish that gorgeous book. Going through
<v Speaker 5>all of that, it just made me respect Geraldine Brooks
<v Speaker 5>that much more.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>So there it just yeah Horse, look it up. It's
<v Speaker 5>so good.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm taking notes. I generally, you know, on my
<v Speaker 2>list of books, I have some audio from traveling or writing.
<v Speaker 5>I listened to books too when I take my dog
<v Speaker 5>for a walk.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have some regular ones I always overdo you know,
<v Speaker 2>I have like ten going at the same time or
<v Speaker 2>some Yeah. So yeah.
<v Speaker 5>I used to not be able to do that, but
<v Speaker 5>now I can because there's certain books I have to
<v Speaker 5>read for the Drew Barrymore show, because I want to
<v Speaker 5>be able to being eligible about the author in their
<v Speaker 5>book and then so I'll put down the book that
<v Speaker 5>I'm reading currently and then pick that up and you know,
<v Speaker 5>go back and forth. It's not like watching a TV
<v Speaker 5>show where you have to like stop midway through. I
<v Speaker 5>try to stop at the end of a chapter so
<v Speaker 5>I can be a little bit more clear.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's bad is when you started and then you
<v Speaker 2>forget about it and you renew it and you have
<v Speaker 2>it for it.
<v Speaker 5>I have to go back a couple of chapters.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have you read Jody Picall.
<v Speaker 5>I had not read Jody Piccoll very good.
<v Speaker 2>And Lisa Scott I'm going to mess up her name
<v Speaker 2>Scott awaan or Scotta something. She's written some amazing books.
<v Speaker 2>Jody Picall I like, I would say ninety five percent.
<v Speaker 2>There's one that she's written recently about mad Honey was great.
<v Speaker 2>That's good. Okay, all right, hopefully I'm not mixing up
<v Speaker 2>my authors and.
<v Speaker 5>No, no worries. Yeah. Sometimes I just go to good
<v Speaker 5>Reads and I'll look up the book and it brings
<v Speaker 5>you right to the correct book I don't need.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Lisa's good too, got Laine. We're going to take
<v Speaker 2>a short break and won't be right back.
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<v Speaker 2>It's is Lisa Simpson.
<v Speaker 4>How are you.
<v Speaker 2>You are listening Staticute on debt Life Radio. Thanks so
<v Speaker 2>much for being here. Welcome back everyone. We're talking with
<v Speaker 2>Valerie Bertinelli. This has been such an exciting and interesting
<v Speaker 2>show so far. I appreciate you making the time to
<v Speaker 2>come on CTITUD. Okay, let's talk more about Valerie's place.
<v Speaker 2>Are you going to be doing any cooking for your cats?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 5>You know what, I don't think I've ever cooked for
<v Speaker 5>my cats, but I see some of these videos on
<v Speaker 5>TikTok and Instagram, and I'm like, oh my god, some
<v Speaker 5>of the food they make for their animals. I'm like,
<v Speaker 5>I need to do that because I have specially food
<v Speaker 5>for two cats, and I have, you know, other food
<v Speaker 5>for the other cats, so I have separate them when
<v Speaker 5>they eat because they're all seniors, so they need special diets.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 5>One I have to actually get miural acts too, because
<v Speaker 5>he gets stuffed up and he's been that twice to
<v Speaker 5>have enemas unfortunately, so I have to be very careful
<v Speaker 5>to make sure that he his duels stay soft. But anyway,
<v Speaker 5>you know the adventures of a catwoman.
<v Speaker 2>Mat woman, and hey, if you have any fur babes,
<v Speaker 2>you know that their's you just get past all that.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh, you absolutely do. Yeah, I mean because you
<v Speaker 5>just want the best for them. You want them to
<v Speaker 5>feel healthy. You can always tell when something's a little
<v Speaker 5>off with them, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my niece would just concern no mat our dogs
<v Speaker 2>audi anous.
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I want to say that's scary.
<v Speaker 5>I mean I would be scared too, I would be
<v Speaker 5>I'd be write that down to the Yeah, she.
<v Speaker 2>Was very concerned. She was asking me, who do you
<v Speaker 2>advise this, and that it was just you know.
<v Speaker 5>I know that my son and his wife were at
<v Speaker 5>the vet on Christmas Day because one of the cats
<v Speaker 5>couldn't poop and hadn't pooped for three days. Oh, you know,
<v Speaker 5>which is dangerous for a cat.
<v Speaker 2>Cats are hard because there's such stoic creatures. It is
<v Speaker 2>so hard.
<v Speaker 5>Can never tell when they're in pain. No, no, no,
<v Speaker 5>you have to really know their behavior. And they were
<v Speaker 5>good at that. They knew they knew something was off,
<v Speaker 5>you know, and at first and you know, plus when
<v Speaker 5>you're cleaning litter boxes, you kind of know, wow, why
<v Speaker 5>is this not you know, why is there no boop
<v Speaker 5>in your so?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that's I had a scare with Dennis.
<v Speaker 2>Not not good. It was almost to the point where
<v Speaker 2>one place wanted to put him down. I said no,
<v Speaker 2>brought him to another vet the next morning. They didn't
<v Speaker 2>have night hours and he seemed okay, kept him there.
<v Speaker 2>He had crystals in his urine. So, yes, that is
<v Speaker 2>common with male cats.
<v Speaker 5>Dexter had that. With Dexter, they had to widen his
<v Speaker 5>urethra and cut off the feness on. Yeah, it's horrifying,
<v Speaker 5>but you know what Dexter lives.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you have five mails another five years,
<v Speaker 2>so it's kind of a common thing.
<v Speaker 5>It is with mail cats. It's very common.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's talk about you You've reinvented yourself many times,
<v Speaker 2>so you've acted, you're an author, cooking personality. What makes
<v Speaker 2>you curious to go on? And what is the one
<v Speaker 2>that you would define yourself the most as where to
<v Speaker 2>be actress, author, cooking personality. Maybe it's cat mom, maybe
<v Speaker 2>it's all of it, you know, superwoman.
<v Speaker 5>Well no, no, no, I just have I have been
<v Speaker 5>able to take the things that I find interesting and
<v Speaker 5>make a living, Like I think comedy and drama are
<v Speaker 5>so interesting, and I love acting, and I've been able
<v Speaker 5>to make a living at it. And then I mean,
<v Speaker 5>I've always loved cooking since time was a little girl
<v Speaker 5>watching my Nonny cook in the inn Adline's basement kitchen.
<v Speaker 5>So I've always loved cooking. And then I started writing cookbooks,
<v Speaker 5>and then I was able to get a show on
<v Speaker 5>Food Network, so to start a whole other side career,
<v Speaker 5>which I loved. And I love books, So I want
<v Speaker 5>to have a book group, a public book group. You know,
<v Speaker 5>I love my cats, so I have wilfees me out
<v Speaker 5>on Instagram so that you can see all my cats
<v Speaker 5>and see what they're doing. I like sharing my life
<v Speaker 5>with people, and I like when they share their lives
<v Speaker 5>with me. I don't know. I think it's just I'm
<v Speaker 5>just we're all full, you know, well rounded human beings,
<v Speaker 5>and you know, sometimes, you know, we take one of
<v Speaker 5>those things we love and we make a job out
<v Speaker 5>of it, and then sometimes we're able to make a
<v Speaker 5>job out of all of it because it's just what
<v Speaker 5>we do in our lives. I've just been incredibly blessed
<v Speaker 5>and incredibly lucky that there are people willing to watch
<v Speaker 5>what I do and hear what I have to say.
<v Speaker 2>I think your amazingness comes across even you know, in
<v Speaker 2>this interview, you're very genuine. You're very generous and humble,
<v Speaker 2>and that's something we need to keep in mind of
<v Speaker 2>and I personally think we need a little bit more
<v Speaker 2>of that in this world.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I think there are
<v Speaker 5>beautiful pockets of people, and I think when we find
<v Speaker 5>like minded souls, it's great to just like make our
<v Speaker 5>circle even bigger and bigger. And that's what I'm attempting
<v Speaker 5>to do with Valerie's place. I just want my circle
<v Speaker 5>to be bigger. I have my dear girlfriends that I've
<v Speaker 5>had for almost thirty years, you know, I have my family,
<v Speaker 5>that I adore. I have people that I love to
<v Speaker 5>work with, and I think as we expand our circles
<v Speaker 5>and let more people into it, our lives just become fuller.
<v Speaker 5>I think community is one of the most important things
<v Speaker 5>we can do, and I think expanding our community is
<v Speaker 5>And you're doing that too with your show. You're doing
<v Speaker 5>that by all of us cat lovers get to get
<v Speaker 5>together and listen to you, and that's special in and
<v Speaker 5>of itself.
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. And you know, one of the things
<v Speaker 2>I love about doing this show is that, besides having
<v Speaker 2>great guests, is that it also spreads a lot of information.
<v Speaker 2>You know, do a lot of talk about.
<v Speaker 5>T and R.
<v Speaker 2>I had a great, so important show about declining because
<v Speaker 2>there are still there are cat lovers that don't have
<v Speaker 2>a clue listen.
<v Speaker 5>I was one of those lovers that didn't have a clue.
<v Speaker 5>I declawed my cat. I think it was twenty six
<v Speaker 5>years ago, the cat that I had back then, And
<v Speaker 5>I feel horrible now about it now knowing what I know,
<v Speaker 5>Like my heart hurts right now that I put my
<v Speaker 5>cat through that. I mean, it's like, thank God, we're
<v Speaker 5>getting information, Like all my cats have their claws now.
<v Speaker 5>I would never ever even think about, you know, declawing them.
<v Speaker 5>My fraisher looks like shit, but I don't care.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we all have that. I bought my
<v Speaker 2>couch knowing that something's gonna get sick on it. You know,
<v Speaker 2>there's some much in a puke on it and scratch it.
<v Speaker 2>And I thought I was doing good until husband said,
<v Speaker 2>look at that side. It's quawed right.
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, right to the bone. Yeah, I saw, you
<v Speaker 5>know what one. I'll get them reupholstered at some point,
<v Speaker 5>but right now. I mean, I also have like scratching
<v Speaker 5>posts everywhere, but cats, cats, they're going to do what
<v Speaker 5>they want to do. And yeah, you know, I try
<v Speaker 5>to cut them every couple of weeks, cut their nails,
<v Speaker 5>but that doesn't stop them from scratching. It just stops
<v Speaker 5>them from you know, like hurting you accidentally scroute you.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you are brave.
<v Speaker 5>I have some cats that are good with it, and
<v Speaker 5>I have other cats that like don't want me to,
<v Speaker 5>but I have to, Like it's burrito time, then oh yes, yes,
<v Speaker 5>you got to wrap them up in a purrito.
<v Speaker 2>They're feisty. They're feisty. What is the one thing you
<v Speaker 2>would like to tell all of our cat listeners out there.
<v Speaker 5>You guys are so cool, like you love cats and
<v Speaker 5>cats love you. Do you know what that says about
<v Speaker 5>who you are? Like when you have a cat fall
<v Speaker 5>in love with you and trust you, that's I think
<v Speaker 5>the greatest gift. Now. As much as I adore my dog,
<v Speaker 5>my dog loves everybody, really, yes, and I adore her,
<v Speaker 5>But there's something about a cat when you earn its trust.
<v Speaker 5>My son and his wife have experienced this, Like Bubba
<v Speaker 5>and Ba are my parents' cats, and now Bubba and
<v Speaker 5>Ba love and adore Wolfee Andrea because they trust them.
<v Speaker 5>And I love that. I have built this trust with
<v Speaker 5>Batman and with my other two cats that like they
<v Speaker 5>love me, and they when I come home from work
<v Speaker 5>and they like are all over. They all sit outside
<v Speaker 5>the bathroom if I've closed the door. If I forget
<v Speaker 5>to close the door, they're all in there with me.
<v Speaker 5>Like I'm loved unconditionally. How flip and cool is that?
<v Speaker 5>And we all of us that own a pet get
<v Speaker 5>to feel that, get to feel that love and then
<v Speaker 5>put that love back out in the world.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. And what would you say to someone who's
<v Speaker 2>listening hasn't quite made the plants. You know, should I adopt?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, blah blah.
<v Speaker 5>Here's what I would suggest, because this is what helped me.
<v Speaker 5>After Dexter died, I thought, I can't get another cat,
<v Speaker 5>like I'll never love anything as much as I love Decks.
<v Speaker 5>A girlfriend of mine who actually runs some foster cares, said,
<v Speaker 5>why don't you try fostering because you're so good with cats.
<v Speaker 5>You can play with them, You could bottle feed them,
<v Speaker 5>because shelters need people to take these poor little kittens
<v Speaker 5>out of the shelter and out of the cages. That's
<v Speaker 5>what I happened with Batman. He was an orphan black
<v Speaker 5>cat and nobody was gonna come save him. He was
<v Speaker 5>like four and a half weeks old.
<v Speaker 2>And right, I just want to mention because we're on video.
<v Speaker 2>We might have some clips, don't know yet, but Batman's black,
<v Speaker 2>solid black.
<v Speaker 5>Batman is a beautiful, blackheaded cat.
<v Speaker 2>Now he's gorgeous. But black cats and black dogs are
<v Speaker 2>not adopted as much.
<v Speaker 5>Black cats are not adopted. And this guy was more
<v Speaker 5>FAI have any other kittens in the cage with them?
<v Speaker 5>You know some of the you have brought kittens in.
<v Speaker 5>So this is what happens is if they couldn't have
<v Speaker 5>found a foster for Batman, he would have been euthanized.
<v Speaker 5>I happened to be there the day he was into
<v Speaker 5>so I was allowed to foster him and I was
<v Speaker 5>going to find him a home. Well, don't you know,
<v Speaker 5>I fell madly in love with him, so I never
<v Speaker 5>found him a home. I was able to find homes
<v Speaker 5>for about fifteen cats that I all fill madly in
<v Speaker 5>love with. So it's hard, but I think by fostering,
<v Speaker 5>this is what you could do. If you're on the
<v Speaker 5>fence on whether you get a cat or a dog
<v Speaker 5>or not, foster one and then try to find a
<v Speaker 5>home for it and do your best through the agency
<v Speaker 5>that you're fostering the animal from, and they will help
<v Speaker 5>you get connections with people that may be looking for
<v Speaker 5>a pet. But fostering kind of allows you to put
<v Speaker 5>your toe in and care for another living breathings and
<v Speaker 5>still like not fully commit, but know that you can
<v Speaker 5>give your love to a little, you know, a little cute,
<v Speaker 5>little furry thing, and then you know, if you happen
<v Speaker 5>to think like, oh I can't give this cat, then
<v Speaker 5>keep it. Then you've found what you wanted to do
<v Speaker 5>you wanted to then own this pet?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? And a lot of people say with cats. I
<v Speaker 2>think it was one of our show hosts said this,
<v Speaker 2>they're like potato chips. You can't have just one. I
<v Speaker 2>think two. Bernadine said that. Ab I think two cats
<v Speaker 2>are great because they keep each other company.
<v Speaker 5>For sure. I mean if I was if I was
<v Speaker 5>a single woman who worked from home, I can see
<v Speaker 5>just having one cat because you can spend all that
<v Speaker 5>time with the cat and you can travel with that
<v Speaker 5>cat or if you know, that's great. But if you
<v Speaker 5>have to go to work and leave the house, having
<v Speaker 5>two cats is fabulous because they but you have to
<v Speaker 5>make sure that they love each other. Because I had
<v Speaker 5>two cats quite a few decades ago that were a
<v Speaker 5>brother and sister, but not there. One was a girl,
<v Speaker 5>one was a boy, but they weren't brother and sister.
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god. They just could care less about each other.
<v Speaker 5>So hopefully they get along. And then there's my you know,
<v Speaker 5>Bubba and Bo, which is my son's cats. They're bonded
<v Speaker 5>because they were brothers. They were born together, so they're
<v Speaker 5>great together. But yes, I think you're right, and you
<v Speaker 5>might not want to do what I did, and foster
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of cats and end up with six. So yeah,
<v Speaker 5>I ended up with six, and then my son took
<v Speaker 5>two of them, and then one sadly passed away. So
<v Speaker 5>you might not want to do that because six boys
<v Speaker 5>in this house is a bit much.
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot. How did you end up with all boys?
<v Speaker 2>Just chance?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah? I had girls that I fostered and I found
<v Speaker 5>homes for and I don't know how they Yeah, I
<v Speaker 5>don't know. I don't. It was a huge mistake on
<v Speaker 5>my part because they don't always get But then again,
<v Speaker 5>some girls don't get along with the boys either, so
<v Speaker 5>you just you never know.
<v Speaker 2>My two girls are sisters from different letters and different mesters,
<v Speaker 2>and they do not get along.
<v Speaker 5>Oh it's hard because you want them to.
<v Speaker 2>Oh when we brought the little one in that was Molly,
<v Speaker 2>she was we had to keep her in a cage
<v Speaker 2>because her sister attacked her. Now tax or sister and
<v Speaker 2>Oster is one of these that we have a lot
<v Speaker 2>of litter boxes. I think this might sound crazy. I
<v Speaker 2>think at least six, oh for two cat some are
<v Speaker 2>in the cadeo and I don't have a mansion, so
<v Speaker 2>someone on the cadeo I think two or three, So
<v Speaker 2>three in the house. They have a lot.
<v Speaker 5>I have one in a back bathroom, the guest bathroom,
<v Speaker 5>two in the cadeo, one in the actual cadio, one
<v Speaker 5>in the room that is connected to the cadio, and
<v Speaker 5>then one like it's like tucked under where you go
<v Speaker 5>out to the garage. So yeah, they're all spread out
<v Speaker 5>through the house. If I had another room to put
<v Speaker 5>one in, I probably would, but I don't.
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot. But if Charlotte would use them, I
<v Speaker 2>would be so happy. But it's you know, ten years,
<v Speaker 2>but you just deal with it. It's just part of
<v Speaker 2>life's challenges.
<v Speaker 5>I was told that I stayed by cats they would
<v Speaker 5>not spray, and they didn't spray for ten years. Wow,
<v Speaker 5>and now they're spraying again just because I mean, well,
<v Speaker 5>one sprays. I can always tell which cat has left
<v Speaker 5>a mark on a pepad because Batman just goes on
<v Speaker 5>the like the bottom of the b bet and Henry
<v Speaker 5>sprays against the wall. So I have them taped up
<v Speaker 5>against the wall. I can always tell who sprays.
<v Speaker 2>They do that. They have stuff that you put on
<v Speaker 2>the wall so that cats done spray. They have stuff
<v Speaker 2>you put on a wall, apees, an automatic box and
<v Speaker 2>your cats doesn't clean their tush as well as they should,
<v Speaker 2>like Sphinx cats. They're known, right, Okay, you know the
<v Speaker 2>bald ones they're they're hymans.
<v Speaker 5>Who has one of those?
<v Speaker 2>They're weird looking. I love them, but I was too
<v Speaker 2>afraid that my cats, especially Molly, she's very territorial, would
<v Speaker 2>attack the cat, you know, and then poor little thing
<v Speaker 2>with it.
<v Speaker 5>I know, I know, I.
<v Speaker 2>Can't do it. We've taken a lot of time. I
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it so much. What is the one thing you
<v Speaker 2>want to leave our listeners with that?
<v Speaker 5>I think we're part of a really cool community of
<v Speaker 5>cat lovers, and I think being a crazy cat lady
<v Speaker 5>is now a compliment. I'm so in love with my pets.
<v Speaker 5>I just I can't imagine a life without them. And
<v Speaker 5>when I look back on all the different cuts I've
<v Speaker 5>had all throughout my life, I feel so blessed to
<v Speaker 5>get so much love and to give so much love.
<v Speaker 5>And I think anybody that listens to your program has
<v Speaker 5>to be one full of love person. So ravo to
<v Speaker 5>all of us.
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything we didn't mention that you want?
<v Speaker 5>Oh? You've been wonderful.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, well, thank you so much. It's
<v Speaker 2>been so much fun having you on the show and
<v Speaker 2>a pleasure to thank you for all your time, Thanks
<v Speaker 2>for everything you do for just the everyone, for the
<v Speaker 2>the cats, for the people. You know, we need more
<v Speaker 2>of you, so.
<v Speaker 5>A lot of us out here. I think you're one
<v Speaker 5>of them. I think there's a lot more out of it.
<v Speaker 5>It's just that the nasty people are louder.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's yes. Unfortunately, yes that is true. Well again,
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for coming on kata Too.
<v Speaker 5>Thank you.
<v Speaker 2>I hope you all enjoyed this show. What a trait
<v Speaker 2>it was to talk to Valerie Bertinellie. This is definitely
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite shows of kata Too, like in
<v Speaker 2>the top three. So Valerie, thank you so much for
<v Speaker 2>coming on Caatitude. Thanks for all you do for the cats.
<v Speaker 2>I just want to remind everybody about everything that you
<v Speaker 2>have going on. Please check out Valerie's place. It's Valeriesplace
<v Speaker 2>dot com. She's doing YouTube videos. She has a podcast
<v Speaker 2>coming out called Getting Naked, so add that along with
<v Speaker 2>Katatude to your list of podcasts and look soon for
<v Speaker 2>possibly a book club. So again, Valerie, thank you so
<v Speaker 2>much for coming on Cataitude. Thank you to all my listeners.
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you guys so much, so thank you, and
<v Speaker 2>of course thanks to my cat crew Dennis, Charlotte and
<v Speaker 2>Mollie and the show would not be the same without
<v Speaker 2>the magic of Mark Winter, So thank you so much, Mark,
<v Speaker 2>and remember lose the attitude, have catitude.
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