#315 - Are Shooters Better Today Than Ever Before?

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Guess what?

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Today. This day after Christmas.

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Roy is now the official co-host.

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He's always been the.

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Official official co-host and I like.

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To say it one more time, but I won't.

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And in deference to that comment.

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But anyway,

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my plan came to fruition.

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So, Roy, welcome to the show.

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Officially as the co-host.

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So, guys, say a few words.

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That means I get a raise,

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Hi there, and welcome

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to this episode of the Guns Podcast,
U.S., brought to you by guns magazine.

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I'm your host, Brant Wheat,
and there's another guy

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here that I'm going
to, talk about in just a second.

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But anyway, thanks for joining us here

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on one of the world's
biggest gun talk programs.

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As we discuss the interesting stuff
that makes up the world of shooting.

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Well, that guy in the other side of
the frame is Roy Huntington.

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And first off, Hattie Roy, on this day
After Christmas, I.

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You know, we lived through another one.

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We did, except you sent me a comment

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and I'm going to read it on the air.

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So here we go.

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Okay. And, it is.

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I won't say who said it, but.

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Brant,
thanks for another enjoyable episode.

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I've been listening since the first show,
and you and Roy

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have become like old friends.

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I don't express my gratitude enough
and let you know how much I've enjoyed

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all 314 shows.

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Well, thank you very much.

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I do appreciate that.

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It's pretty amazing to hear that.

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I find myself agreeing with you
99% of the time

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because, which is probably
because I, too, am an old Fudd.

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Good for you.

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Let's all be lethal. Fudge together.

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One thing I will beg of you, though.

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Please, please, please

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stop referring to Roy as the official,
unofficial.

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Official. Unofficial. Official.

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Unofficial co-host.

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It drew a chuckle the first ten times
you said it, but now it has become

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very annoying and shows a complete lack
of imagination and awareness on your part.

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Well. Okay.

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I wish, I.

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Wish he would have told us
exactly how he felt, though.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I suspect
Roy is tired of hearing it, too, but.

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But it is.

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But he's too much of a gentleman
to tell you.

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Other than that, keep up the good work.

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I'm missing the print magazine.

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Well, Yes, I I'll go in reverse order.

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I missed the print magazine, too.
We all do.

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And as far as Roy being a gentleman,
we know that.

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But I will tell you,
it wasn't a lack of awareness on my part.

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It was a hope that it would become
so annoying when I said that.

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That the audience would rise up
and tell Roy

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that he needs to become
the official co-host. And

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guess what?

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Today it happened. Day after Christmas.

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Roy is now the official co-host.

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He's always been the.

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Unofficial co-host, and.

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I like to say it one more time,
but I won't.

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And in deference to that comment.

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But anyway,

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my plan came to fruition.

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So, Roy, welcome to the show.

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Officially as the co-host of the Guns
podcast.

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You asked, presented by guns magazine.

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So, guys, say a few words.

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That means I get a raise, Break
from nothing.

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How much is boy?

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No. That's cool.

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I feel certified now.

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You know. Certifiable. Certifiable? Yeah.

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I mean, it is, you know, we're like,

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you know, Yang Yin yang
and whatever all, you know, twit.

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And, I mean.

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It's always us, you know?

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So, yeah, we might as well.

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Well, I and truly not to,

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belabor this point too much
before we get into our topic, but,

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you know, Roy's Roy's living the dream,
and Roy doesn't

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want any more irons in the fire,
and I, I he's here

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almost every single week, but
I think he just didn't want to add that,

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because I know Roy and he'll feel bad
if he's not on the next episode.

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And he didn't want that.

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Am I correct?

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Hey. Yeah.

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Yeah, because I said I'd help.

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Yeah.

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Are you.

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You know, you're fully part of this.

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You're driving the steam train with me.

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So if I crash, you crash and vice versa.

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And I enjoy it, though I really do.

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You know, it's like I,
I always watch the comments, and,

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I mean, I'm

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the one that sent you that last one
about a quick call out of your. Yes.

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You know, I laughed out loud.

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That was so funny.

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But I just I'm always it's

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always so nice to hear from people who,

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if we knew them better, they
they would be friends.

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Yeah.

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You know, definitely as simple as that.

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And so I kind of consider them friends.

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And so I like this because this is a way
to sort of stay in contact with them.

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So. Yep.

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There you go.

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There you go. Harrumph.

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I didn't get a run from that guy. So.

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Well, on this, day
after Christmas, we're going to have,

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I think, what's going to be a fun
discussion.

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I came up with this topic
and I was just kind of casting around,

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and I found somebody asking this on
the internet, and I thought,

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and then I got to take it.

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Now that's that's actually something that
Roy and I ought to discuss and discuss.

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And that would be, are we better shooters
today than we used to be?

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And, I'll be interested to hear,

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because, Roy,
you've been shooting longer than I have.

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But I've been shooting a while, too,
and I'm also very much

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a student of history,
so might might be interesting.

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And this is definitely one
that will be interested in hearing

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what you have to say about it,
especially you lethal thugs

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who are our age
and older, that have been around

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and and been there, done that, seen it,
and formed a few opinions.

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So anyway, I came up with the topic.

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I've got my opinions.

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But, Roy, you're the elder statesman here
and our our newly minted co-host.

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So I'll let you get started
out of the gate.

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Well, I'm, you know, as usual,
but I didn't know about this

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until literally one minute
before we went on air.

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Right. So.

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But I like that, though, because it lets
you sort of, what's a good word?

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A speak from the heart,
you know, I mean, because I haven't done

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any research, I haven't given it
any thought beforehand, but.

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And so, so I'm kind of digging in
to see what's my opinion on that.

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And, you know, and I think you and I
are in a very interesting situation

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because for the last,
you know, 30 to 40 years,

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depending on us,
we've been in the firearms industry.

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And that's meant, you know, interacting
closely with readers,

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with manufacturers, with guides, with,
I mean, you name it,

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you know, trainers, competition shooters
just across the board.

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You know, we've been on countless hunts.

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A lot of those hunts

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had sort of
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you know, who booked a hunt
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And so we actually,
I think, have a baseline that we can

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sort of look at, you know,
and we're after thinking about it,

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I, I actually didn't take me too long to,
to decide that. Yes.

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I think overall, people
are better shooters today than it was.

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I think today, the average hunter,
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concealed carry person, you know,
even the average weekend competitor,

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you know, at your local range,
I think they're better shooters.

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Because I remember growing up
and we spoke about this briefly, is that,

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I mean, the average deer hunter
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hunting rifle pretty much shot his
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I mean, you

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know, I mean, because when I remember
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serious rifles, know, I was 16, 17, 18,
I used to tell people,

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you oh, you a deer hunting, you know, you
are you going to be zeroing your rifle?

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And they would look at you like
you were from Mars.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I didn't do anything, work
fine last year.

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Then you get the guy that says he,
he holds up a box

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of 20 rounds of 30, 30

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and it's got seven left in it, you know,

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and he says
all the other ones are deer that I got.

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Yep. You know, and

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and there are no other empties like where
he was shooting, practicing or anything.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Of course the other side of that coin is
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every year, well then maybe they don't
need to practice any more than that.

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Yeah. You know, because that's like
shooters versus hunters, right?

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Yeah.

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Hunters don't really often care
what gun they have.

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They just need a gun
so they can get a deer.

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Right.

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But the shooters like to shoot.

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Yeah.

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Well you know. Yeah.

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You tease out a couple of

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interesting points and I want to try
and remember to go back to them.

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What I was going to say is
I think the difference might be

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because I, I completely agree with you.

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Overall, shooters are better skilled today

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and there's many reasons for that,
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But I think one of them is there's fewer
casual shooters.

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And I think that's the guy
you identified, Roy,

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because I knew a lot of them
growing up too. Same thing.

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And I was going to make that very point
that, well, I've had this box of shells

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for 15 years and,

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you know, there's only three left,
but every one of them is a deer.

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And so it's the,
the yin and the yang of, well,

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they got their deer every year, but
they haven't been out practicing either.

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So, you know, the. The

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what is it the, the.

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Memory, the collective memory
is that we were a nation of rifle men.

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And every farm kid could shoot you know,

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those squirrels at 200 yards
with his, flintlock.

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And and it wasn't really that way.

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At least when I was growing up, there were
guys that were really good shooters.

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But I would say the level of practice
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wasn't what it was today.

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And I would say, well, it's obvious
there's there's fewer shooters

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practicing today or, actually

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going out and shooting than there were.

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So maybe the folks that were just,

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say casual shooters,

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they kind of gave it up or
and that didn't really replenish itself.

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So does that make sense?

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Well, I think you
you brought up a good point, which is it's

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it's more difficult to be a shooter today
generally.

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You know, I mean, guns are more expensive,
animals more expensive.

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There are less places to go shooting.

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The laws are more,
you know, comprehensive.

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And you have to be pretty
motivated to do it, you know,

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I mean, I look back in the

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middle to late 60s,
and when I started going to Public Ranges,

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I, I used to see people

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who were citing in their deer rifles,
you know, at 100 yards.

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And basically, if they were shooting
a ten inch group, they were happy.

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Yeah.

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You know, and and I can't say that
they were wrong because that certainly

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one minute a deer, you know, at 100 yards.

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And I mean,
I remember there were, at this one range

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and they would,

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you know, 3 or 4 guys would show up
and they'd get out their bolt action

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hunting rifles and wanted plopped out
and shoot around at 100 yards

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and kind of hit somewhere on the target,
you know, and say, okay,

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I guess I'm ready to go. Right?

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You know, clear
the guy, next guy come up and do it, too.

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But I think that it's the shooters.

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There were shooters back then.

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There was, there were people who,
you know, right over there.

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He had a bench arrest rifle.

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He was
I mean, you know, they were dialed in.

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There were custom loaders,
and those people were certainly there.

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And I think they're every bit as good as
the people are today, other than today's

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shooters can take advantage of technology
that we didn't have in those days.

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You know, better optics, better
guns, better everything.

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But I, touchstone for me was

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I started competing
in what we used to call wildcat

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combat matches in the early,
well, middle 70s.

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Right.

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So that's the early run and jump and shoot
steel plates.

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Right.

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And there were it was very disorganized
and, and everything.

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And people used to use single action
revolvers and stuff.

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But even the hot shots, though,

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you know, it's like,
the guy that always wins, right?

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You know,
there's always 3 or 4 of those guys.

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And then we started going to other hosted
matches at other venues,

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and it was always this top kind of few
guys who used to win all the time.

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As I look back on that, they would be hopelessly outclassed with today's shooters.

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I mean, you know, these

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guys were no slouch,
but today's even today's weekend warrior,

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you know, club,
you know, ID match on the weekend.

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I'm afraid those guys would just outshoot
all of us from those days.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, to tease out
a couple of things there.

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You talked about technology,
and we got to discuss that because it's

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just farther along than I ever imagined
it would get.

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But also the, the idea of information,

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you know, there was certainly as guns
magazine

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was around for 70 years and a lot of our,
our, other magazines and things.

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Then along came the internet and suddenly

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you could find anything,

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any esoteric thing
you wanted about shooting.

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And I think shooters in the past
we've talked about this

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before were generalists, where
a guy was a hunter, he might compete

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in a turkey shoot or a weekend match,
and then he'd go bird hunting.

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And now people tend to be a little more
focused on I just long range deer hunter.

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I only, quail hunt and very vertical,
very vertical.

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And they dive in with both feet.

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So, that quail hunter guy
may not be able to talk about deer,

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or he's probably only been a few times,
but, man, he can tell you anything

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and everything about quail
hunting and shotguns

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and and technique and places and biology
and all that stuff.

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And, you know,
with this age of communication,

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the information, is out there.

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And I do think that part has made folks
better rounded, at least,

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as you said, in that narrow vertical,
that the guys that do X or Y know

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almost everything
there is to know about X or Y.

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Well, let's

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say it's 50 years ago, of 60 years ago

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and you wanted to go hunting
and you didn't know how to do it.

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Well, you had to find somebody
who went dividing, and you had to get him

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to tell you what you needed to buy,
how to shoot, what kind of shotgun to get,

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what kind of loads to get, you know,
where do you shoot?

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What are the rules?

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How do you buy a hunting license?

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I mean, and you had to do that
all analog, you know.

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Yeah.

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And nowadays, if you want to learn
how to dove hunt well,

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within 15 minutes on the internet,
you're going to know all that stuff.

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I mean, because you're going to have 100
websites of dove hunting, USA and,

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you know, of best, but top ten best places
to go dove hunting, you know, and.

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Dove hunting YouTube channels.

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Yeah.

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And so I think that contributes to
the fact that shooters are better takers.

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They're better educated.

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You know, I mean, I bought
I bought an antique watchmaker's lathe

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the other day, over the weekend,
at a gun show, oddly enough. And,

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and I knew a little bit about it,

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and so I got home, cleaned it up
a little bit so I could read what it was.

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And within an hour,

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I knew the complete history of this.

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I knew exactly when it was made.

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I'd found out
the company was still a business.

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I found links to spare parts.

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I watched YouTube videos on how to use it.

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I mean, it was
it was we curse the internet.

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But on the other hand, you know,
and I think,

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I think that that's probably though
one of the bigger reasons, you know,

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and, and it seems like

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we have more fanboys than we did
when you and I were younger.

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I mean, you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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I mean, there everybody
kind of liked all kinds of guns, you know?

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Yeah.

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And nowadays
it's like you're a Glock shooter

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or you're an AR shooter
or you're FN shooter, or you're,

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you know, I guess it's what
you were saying about vertical, you know.

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Yeah. Well, I was going to say go.

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Oh, go ahead, go ahead.

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Well, I was going to say,
can I say something about this gun show?

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I'm in the Joplin area,

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and I went to this first gun show
I've been to in a long time.

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Good Lord, everything was expensive.

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Yeah. I mean.

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I wondered when you told me you were going
and hadn't been in a while.

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I mean, everything ammunition,

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accessories, guns,
I mean, I, the average gun

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was probably 30 to 50%
more than it was five years ago, you know?

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And, yeah, I'm not sure why,
but it's like, good lord, you know?

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Okay, well, I just to. Mention that. Yeah.

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Just like I tell my wife after

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she comes home from the grocery store
every single time.

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That's just the way it is.

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Everything's more expensive.
The way it is. Yeah.

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So me actually, you know what?

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We may have stumbled onto something,
which is.

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Maybe that's why people or one
of the reasons why people are so vertical.

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Because when you and I were growing up,
if you were to get a shotgun

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and, bolt action hunting
rifle and a 22 rifle,

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I mean, you know, they were
they were all very affordable.

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You know? Yeah.

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And nowadays, gosh, if you

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want to get a decent, you know, hunting
rifle and a decent shotgun

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or a decent 22 pistol in a decent, well,
now we're looking at $4000 or $5000.

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Yeah.

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You know. Yeah, it's like, oh.

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Yeah.

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Well, and I wanted

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to go back to the, fanboy thing
because that phenomenon amazes me.

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But I think it's pretty clear
why that happens.

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And it in talking to folks in different

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areas of, of life,
not just shooting but other things,

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I think it's a result of today's
algorithm, person

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because we're all,

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I guess guilty of this,
but the, the, an algorithm

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is kind of what drives things like Google
and your social media and all that,

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and it's a chicken or the egg
kind of thing.

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We only look at what we want to look at,
but that's all that they give us.

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Now, whether you look at on social media,
when you're searching,

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whatever it builds a profile
on, it's all goes back to marketing.

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Because if if I want to sell golf clubs,
I want to

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I want to find somebody that is really,
seriously heavy into golf clubs

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and reads about them all the time
and technique

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and maybe, you know, hey,
what's a good, nine iron?

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That's the guy that I want to target
with my advertising.

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And that's something we couldn't do
back in pre-Internet days.

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Well, now, for better and for worse,
all you're going to see is stuff

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that you've been interested in the past
and it

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you know, it's
it's important for all of us.

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And this is a general life skill.

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We need to look at stuff
that, is outside our normal day to day

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because we all have that certain
set of things,

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our own little pattern
that we look at every day

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and especially like on social media,
if you start looking up

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duck hunting, you're going to see
a lot of duck hunting stuff.

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They'll occasionally throw in a deer
hunting or a competition shooting,

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but it's going to be all duck
hunting all the time.

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And then you're going to get advertising
is about all duck hunting all the time.

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And where that goes
with the fanboy mentality is,

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if you're completely invested
in one single,

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solitary thing,
whatever it is, duck hunting or,

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trains, model trains,

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you're going to be very protective
and very, very,

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embraced and in that whole, field.

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So I think that's where,
you know, we've we've talked about it

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countless times before that if, if it's
not even if we say anything bad about it,

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are if we don't say
enough nice stuff about a year,

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we get 4 or 5 comments that are just
some of them are downright hateful.

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And it's like, whoa, it's it's okay,
they're Speed Racer.

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You can like those, we can like this.

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But but some folks just, get pushed over

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that edge of they,
they are wrapped up in this thing.

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That's all they look up at.

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That's all they see
when they go on the internet.

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It's all they can
talk about on their forum.

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And how dare you not hold that up
as the greatest, best thing.

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So that's kind of my indictment

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of modern life and the internet general,
but I think it explains some of that.

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And my,

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crusty

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old opinion to close out that segment is
and don't let it happen to you,

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keep keep a broad mind so anyway.

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Well,
I don't disagree with anything there.

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I think we both said
that modern shooters are better shooters,

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and I think a lot of that
is for the reasons you just talked about.

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I mean, if I,
if I wanted to learn how to reload as

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17 Magnum, well,

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there's going to be somebody on YouTube
showing me how to do it, you know.

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Yeah.

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Well, maybe not on YouTube anymore.

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Because, well, you know, but.

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You know, I mean, I mean,

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yeah, any anything you can think of.

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And if we're thinking of shooting,

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like if I said, gee,
I just got this new semi-automatic pistol,

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what kind of a holster should I buy
if I want to do a weekend competition?

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Well, within 15 minutes,

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you're going to know exactly
what kind of holster you need to buy,

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and you'll be able to find it
online somewhere.

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And maybe by the next day you'll have it,
you know?

435
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Yeah.

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And and 40 years ago,

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if you wanted to shoot on the weekend,
you'd, like, show up, right.

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Talk to some people there.

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There were grumpy people.

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And then there was a you 1
or 2 nice people and they would come over

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and if they were really nice,
they would show you how to do.

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Baby, let's use their gun right that time.

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Yeah.

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Walk you through it,
tell you what kind of ammo.

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Maybe even offer to.

446
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Hey, come on over to my house.
I'll show you how to reload it.

447
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I mean, just things were just.

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You had to

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take your time, you know,
and you had to do the work to get there.

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Yeah.

451
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And, I think that's why the deer hunters
there shot one bullet a year.

452
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Did that. Because to do more than that,
what?

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Took a lot of effort, you know.

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Yeah.

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And and nowadays, you I mean, just like

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you can live vicariously,
you can go on hundreds of deer hunts.

457
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I never leave that.

458
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You're just a chair
in front of the computer, you know?

459
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Yeah. And and unfortunately.

460
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You're learning. Or doing that.

461
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Yeah. Yeah.

462
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But you're learning all the time.

463
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And, you know,
I look at our own videos we have,

464
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I don't know, I think we have 2000
videos on the YouTube channel now.

465
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Well, when you scroll through them,
I mean, there's how to clean your gun

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and how to fix your gun and how to reload
ammunition and how to cite it in.

467
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And I mean, the list
just goes on and on and on.

468
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And you know what?

469
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A resource
which we didn't have, you know, before.

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And so, yeah,
I mean, if it wasn't in the latest

471
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American Rifleman or Guns magazine,
you pretty much didn't know it.

472
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Yeah.

473
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You know, and yeah.

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And had to go through that
learning process.

475
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And I think that's another, issue
with modern life that we've talked about

476
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:58,520
before is people kind of walk
into something expecting to know

477
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,760
everything and have the best gear,
and we didn't start that way in the past.

478
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,680
You know, I was laughing
when you said you went to the range.

479
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,920
You found somebody that told you
how to do this, and,

480
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,400
you know, if they were really nice,
they'd give you a hand, a second hand,

481
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,760
a hand-me-down, a holster
they didn't use or or something like that.

482
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,960
And you started out
generally with worn out or crappy gear,

483
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,400
you know, the, the duck decoys
that all needed repainting and all that.

484
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840
And you learned through that process
of getting better and you,

485
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,120
you had bad stuff
and you appreciated the better stuff

486
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,920
as you became more involved,
more experienced in what you were doing.

487
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,080
But I will say,

488
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,200
another point I wanted to make in there,
we were talking about deer hunters.

489
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,440
And this is
I will admit, it's totally objective.

490
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,000
Or, not objective, very subjective.

491
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,520
And it's anecdotal,
but I do think deer hunters,

492
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,200
in terms of overall accuracy
across the board, is getting better.

493
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,440
And I attribute that to this.

494
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520
This, I don't want to call it a fad,

495
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,520
but a new emphasis on long range
competition and shooting.

496
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,200
And I've talked about that before,
being an old school police sniper

497
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,240
and then getting out for a number
of years and coming back,

498
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,400
you know, we are

499
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,720
so much further in terms of information
and equipment than we were.

500
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,440
And I do think
that carries over into hunting.

501
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,840
I don't know if folks are statistically
taking longer shots,

502
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,600
but I know that when I
when I see it, deer check in stations

503
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,840
doesn't seem to resemble the carnage
that I used to see 25 years ago.

504
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,400
And for every deer that came in with that
1 or 2 bullets in it,

505
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,640
there might be 4 or 5 that had three,
four,

506
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640
five, six shots, seven, eight.

507
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,720
I've seen that,
you know, and it's horrible.

508
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,280
You think this poor animal, you know,
eight shots,

509
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,240
that's not good
shooting under any circumstances.

510
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,040
How can people do that?

511
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,720
And, you know, if, if,
if I took eight shots

512
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,680
to put down an animal, I guarantee you,
the very next day I'd be on the range,

513
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,360
burning all the ammo I can afford,
trying to figure out what did I do wrong.

514
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,760
And again, I could be wrong.

515
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,560
But it's because.

516
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800
And I don't think anybody's done
a study on this, but it does seem like

517
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,560
the overall accuracy as a whole
has gotten a little bit better, at least.

518
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,720
At least judging by the deer
check in stations in my book.

519
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,000
Well, I agree, I mean, you look right now
you can get a new,

520
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,720
I'll just say bolt action hunting

521
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,320
rifle, one of the affordable models
from one of the major makers,

522
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,680
you know, for just a few hundred dollars
and virtually all of them will out shoot

523
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,520
anything that was available in the market
40 years ago or 50 years ago.

524
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,600
And if you spend

525
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,480
$100 on a scope today,
you have a better scope

526
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,480
than someone who spent $500
on a Lou pulled scope 50 years ago.

527
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Absolutely. And the ammunition is better.

528
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,040
You know, and we have a lot more lower
recoiling

529
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,760
hunting rifles, you know,
six point fives and stuff like that.

530
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,760
And so,

531
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,440
you know, I in the old days, it's
like if you were a man, you shot a 338 win

532
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,400
mag or a 300 when mag and you know,
and were people were terrified of them

533
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,560
and so they missed

534
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,560
and they had to shoot their deer
eight times because they kept missing it.

535
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,640
You know, having said that, though,
I will say

536
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320
the downside of all this internet

537
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320
accessibility is, you know,

538
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,280
Howard Milquetoast decides that he wants
to be a duck hunter tomorrow.

539
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,120
And so he jumps on the Cabela's website

540
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,240
and he buys new camouflage and orders
a shotgun and two cases, ammunition

541
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,560
and decoys and duck calls
and every single thing

542
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,280
you possibly would ever need
to be a duck hunter, right?

543
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Now, does that make him a O'Connor?

544
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,880
No, no.

545
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,440
You know, and so,
that is the other side of this, you know,

546
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,920
because I talked about a little bit

547
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520
50 years ago, if you wanted to be
a duck hunter, you really had to find

548
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,000
mentors, you know, and it
it was a learning curve.

549
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,000
And like you say,
you started with a crappy shotgun and your

550
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,480
waterproof boots weren't, you know. You.

551
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,800
And you froze to death and your coffee
was cold, and but we still did it.

552
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,240
It was fun. And you learned.

553
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,560
Yeah.

554
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,080
And, and I think the fact that a lot of
this stuff is sort of easy money today.

555
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,960
And so,

556
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,640
I mean, I, you can go to a public range
and see somebody

557
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,840
who's decked out to the nines,
you know, new fancy, you know, fat striker

558
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840
fired pistol with a light and a laser

559
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,440
fancy holster, shooting glasses.

560
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,520
You know, I mean, everything.

561
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,760
But he can't hit the target.

562
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440
You know, and I those are the, like,

563
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680
lifestyle stylist
kind of people, you know,

564
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,840
but but I think, on average,
the person who wants to be a shooter

565
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,640
today is better at it than they were
40 years ago or 50 years ago.

566
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Yeah.

567
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Well, you know, it was funny.

568
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,880
I was at a media event
a couple of years ago, and,

569
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,120
I a wide cross-section of gun media.

570
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,920
I'll use air quotes.

571
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,320
And there was one guy there
who he was that guy in any group.

572
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
And you've you've been there
countless times. Roy.

573
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,040
There's always one guy that talks way,
way too much.

574
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120
And it's okay at first.

575
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,920
And then after, you know, 2 or 3 days
at media events, you know, you're

576
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,760
you're typically in a van or,

577
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,640
you know, you're going back and forth,
you're hunting hard or you're

578
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,000
you're shooting a lot and then you stay up
too late and, and all that.

579
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,120
So it does kind of get to be a drag toward
the end of it.

580
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,960
And by day three of the guy saying,
you know, listen, I think I know.

581
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,760
And I know, oh.

582
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Please, please shut up.

583
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Well, anyway, I finally thought,
I need to find

584
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,680
I want to find out
how much does this guy really know?

585
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Because he was
he was he had an opinion on everything,

586
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,120
especially tactical,
because he was very much a tactical guy.

587
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000
So I made sure I was a shooting partner.

588
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,600
The next day. And I'll never forget this.

589
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280
I said, so, tell me,
what's your background?

590
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,280
Because I expected military
law enforcement

591
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,640
something because, you know, he was
he was a high speed, low drag guy.

592
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Well, you know, I picked up shooting
three years ago, and I said, oh, my lord.

593
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Really? Oh, are you serious?

594
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,080
I mean, I didn't say that.

595
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
I just went, yeah.

596
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,160
And in three years
he had learned everything and was

597
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560
was very confidently
telling these other gun writers,

598
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680
some guys I know who,
you know, served in the military,

599
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,200
you know, law enforcement or at least shot
for, you know, decades and decades.

600
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,760
And but he he sure knew everything.

601
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,720
And to me, that was the guy
that don't be that guy, you know.

602
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,240
And he probably doesn't shoot
better than people in the old days,

603
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,560
you know, and and also,
I think in the old days

604
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,840
there was a lot more subsistence
kind of hunting and shoot truth, you know,

605
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,920
I mean, you all you have to do
is look at the percentage of Americans

606
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,520
who lived rural and was on farms
50, 75 years ago versus today.

607
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,440
And it's just a fraction today.

608
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,000
I mean, there

609
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,040
probably are people out there
who hunt for subsistence.

610
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,240
Well, I'm sure there there are. Right.

611
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560
But generally that's not the case.

612
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,400
You know, you do it
because it's interesting.

613
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,480
And you, you know, I'll call the deer
herd, supply meat to the public,

614
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,160
you know, kitchens and stuff like that.

615
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,720
But, but I don't know, I think people
because as we said, it costs more,

616
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,080
it's more of a challenge to, to do it

617
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,400
because you have travel and costs
and, you know, all that kind of stuff.

618
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400
And so I think the people who do it today,

619
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,160
they want to do better
because it takes some effort,

620
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,200
because, you know, 50 years ago,
if you wanted to go deer hunting,

621
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,880
you just
you borrowed your neighbor's 3030,

622
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,000
then got in your car
and drove 20 miles out of town

623
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,080
and knocked on a farmer's door and said,
I shoot a deer over here.

624
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,640
And they'd say, sure,
don't shoot the cows.

625
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:57,920
Yeah.

626
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,280
You know, and then you'd mosey out
and you might or might not shoot a deer

627
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,160
seven times, you know. Yeah.

628
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
And throw it on the hood of your car
and drive back.

629
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Yeah.

630
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Yeah.

631
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,560
That doesn't go on anymore, I don't think.

632
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Well, I was going to.

633
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,520
And you reminded me of one of those points
I wanted to go back to when I was a kid,

634
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,000
and I cert.

635
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,400
I know it was when you were a kid, right?

636
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Like you said, it was so much easier
to find a place to shoot.

637
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Whether we legally had permission or not.

638
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200
First of all, when's the last time
anybody knocked on the,

639
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,080
you know, a farmer's door

640
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,080
and said, hey, you mind if I go out
and hunt pheasant in your field?

641
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,040
It was never a guarantee.

642
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240
But more times than not, they said, sure,
just like you said, don't.

643
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Don't shoot cows.

644
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Close the gates behind you, and,
you know, now it's even hard to find

645
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,640
who owns this. The stupid ground.

646
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Oh, yeah. Nobody's going to let you.

647
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,800
On, and nobody's going to let you on. It
unless you know that.

648
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,640
What he do know?

649
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

650
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,360
So, and, you know, just
it wasn't uncommon.

651
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Well, for example,

652
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,680
and I think I talked about it
a long time ago, there was a gravel pit.

653
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,360
And I now know the owner, but
it was kind of like the public gravel pit.

654
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,040
And it hadn't been an operation
for a long time.

655
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,360
But everybody went there camping, fishing,
shooting, and nobody said a word.

656
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,480
And then now,
having been in law enforcement,

657
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,080
our county is one of those counties
that it's growing dramatically, but

658
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,080
especially from southeast to northwest.

659
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,200
And if I remember these calls plainly,

660
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,640
this man's shooting over there.

661
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,440
Yeah, we shooting.

662
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880
Well, he's on his property
and you're out in the country,

663
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,120
and it's allowed what he can do that
it's like you moved in from Chicago,

664
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,120
didn't you? And it's it's just amazing.

665
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,120
It just
everything has gotten more challenging.

666
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,960
So makes sense. It's it's true.

667
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,440
Yeah. Right.

668
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,400
But having said all this, if you went to

669
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,960
an NRA handgun

670
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,800
match in 1945
and there were all those old guys with

671
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,160
fedoras shooting revolvers, 100 cigarets,
a left hand in their pocket and stuff.

672
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,360
Yeah.

673
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Most of those guys would out shoot anybody

674
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,240
today
who is shooting the same thing, right?

675
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:12,200
You know, but again,
that was a pretty narrow focus.

676
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,440
You know,
those were really motivated people.

677
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,200
They went out, they found the equipment.

678
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,040
They, you know,
and they did it themselves.

679
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,840
But, I, I'm afraid,

680
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,840
definitely the average person today.

681
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Well, if we think about it too,
if you want to carry

682
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040
a concealed weapon today, you, you know,
you have to get some.

683
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Usually
you have to get some kind of training.

684
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,640
You know, it depends on the area,

685
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,320
but which is more than anyone
who ever went hunting before ever got.

686
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:39,840
Yeah.

687
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,440
You know, and

688
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,600
and nowadays, you know, kids especially,
they have to take hunter safety.

689
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,080
Yeah. You know which 50 years ago
and. Yeah.

690
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800
And have to do it in.

691
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,000
So 1976 I took

692
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,440
I took Hunter's ed and I was one of
the first people in our state to do it.

693
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,520
And I was the high score in the class.

694
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,080
But it was such an unusual thing.

695
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,320
Now you have to take hunters, Ed,
I think in every state

696
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,040
now to get a hunting license
or be over a certain age.

697
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,640
Right.

698
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,520
But it, you know, I, I loved my hunter
ed class and that's why I did so

699
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,960
well because it's like we get to talk
and and we'll talk about guns and.

700
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Well, you know, so. Do it, you know.

701
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Yeah.

702
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,760
When I was in the seventh grade,

703
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,720
I don't know when
that was 1966 or something.

704
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,760
My dad signed my brother and I up, and he.

705
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,760
So he was our no. Ten.

706
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,080
No or less eight.

707
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,400
Who signed us up for, like, we met, like,

708
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,720
three weekends in a row
and we shot 22 rifles.

709
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,600
And they taught us,
you know, how to shoot the rifles,

710
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,680
and we shot from arrest,
you remember? Love to shoot.

711
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,440
Not from arrest.

712
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,960
But all of that was geared toward
making us gun safe

713
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,600
and making us want to go shooting,
wanting to go hunting with our dad.

714
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,600
It was a real hunting focused
kind of a thing, you know?

715
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,680
And I remember the dads

716
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,760
there were all real interested,
you know, and and everything.

717
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,640
The I know the guns,
though, were all really basic guns,

718
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,280
single shot, 22 rifles and stuff.

719
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,720
I today, it's really interesting.

720
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,080
Sometimes, a reader or I'll,
there'll be a comment on YouTube

721
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,200
and they'll say, you know, I'm gonna buy
my, son his first rifle, 22 rifle.

722
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680
And I was thinking,
and they'll give me a list of, like,

723
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,480
expensive semi-auto and stuff like that,
you know, or high proportion.

724
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,760
A good first gun.

725
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Well, yeah, it's a good gun.

726
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,480
It's like.

727
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,880
Yeah, well, yeah, but, you know,
I mean, that's why they invented,

728
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,360
you know,
single shot Savage, 22 rimfire, you know,

729
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,640
so I guess it's
a blessing we have everything we ever want

730
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,000
today, but but, you know,
sometimes people don't always understand

731
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,040
where to put the boundaries.

732
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,360
Well, and I think that, to close this out,
I think that's part of the modern

733
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,840
problem is
I was reading a story about this

734
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,560
the other day,
and it wasn't talking about shooting.

735
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,920
It was talking about just life in general.

736
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,920
People are far more dissatisfied
with life now.

737
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,480
And it was kind of looking at, you know,
if you look at crime rates,

738
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,800
poverty rates, all these other rates, life
was harder back then.

739
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,680
So we've we've
and I'm not saying it's not hard now, but

740
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,960
we have more resources and we have greater
ability to communicate.

741
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840
We can be entertained
whether we want to be or not.

742
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,600
24 over seven
we can communicate across the globe,

743
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,880
you know, medical science.

744
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Anyway, long story short,
we tend to discount all the great stuff

745
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,680
we have now.

746
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,320
And we think, you know,
it was a lot better 20 years ago.

747
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,240
Well, in some ways it was.

748
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,560
And in a lot of ways it wasn't.

749
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,640
And I think shooting falls in that do.

750
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,400
And, kind of drawing that curtain on this.

751
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,560
Ryan, I've talked about it
multiple times on this podcast.

752
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,280
We're living in the golden age right now.

753
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,680
And, we can extend that now, I think, to
shooters, because we both agree

754
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,080
that I think shooters overall
are probably a little bit better.

755
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,240
Maybe not more rounded,
but probably in one narrow, little path.

756
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,000
They're probably a lot more sophisticated
than folks even 30 years ago.

757
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,320
So any any parting or final
words there, Roy, on that?

758
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,840
Well, if you I'll just look at myself.

759
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,520
I mean, am I a better shooter than I was
50 years ago, you know,

760
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,840
and I can absolutely
on a unqualified say. Yes.

761
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,200
You know,
I mean, I absolutely am a better shooter.

762
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,400
I'm safer.

763
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,280
I know more about guns. I'm more accurate.

764
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,280
You know, I do fewer stupid things.

765
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,720
You know? And,

766
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,440
and it's a lot of that is because

767
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560
of the resources we have,
you know, that you take advantage of.

768
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:55,560
And so I think
if you translate that across the board,

769
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,800
then I think that proves that,
that we're better because any shooter

770
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,800
who started shooting today or,
or the shooting today and started shooting

771
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800
five years ago,
hopefully is a better shooter today

772
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,360
through,
you know, with all these resources we have

773
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960
and if they started 20 years ago,
probably they're better shooters today.

774
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,800
And yeah,
I think if you took the average deer camp

775
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,480
today, you know, five guys and a woman

776
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,840
and 2.5 minorities and, you know,
sorry, I.

777
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,720
Yeah, but if you take an average deer
hunt, deer camp today

778
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,080
versus 50 years ago,

779
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,080
yeah, there's no doubt in my mind
the average deer camp today has better

780
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,280
equipment, better optics,
you know, better communication.

781
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,440
Better.

782
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Better, navigation.

783
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,680
They had they have more accurate rifles.

784
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,480
They have better quality ammunition.
You know.

785
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,200
So better.

786
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,800
Better close to keep you warm. So. Yeah.

787
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,880
So, yeah, it's they're better.

788
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:00,640
They really are.

789
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,200
And some of it is technology,
but a lot of it is I just think people

790
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,200
take advantage of the knowledge we have
and they're motivated.

791
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920
And so they do it. So there we go.

792
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,320
And if you don't agree,
then tell us in the comments exactly.

793
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,800
So, you know, the overarching thing on

794
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,760
this podcast is we try to, as I often say,
gun and fun or one letter apart.

795
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280
So we are living in the Golden age.

796
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,640
So, there's a lot of trouble
and heartache in the world, but

797
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,800
stop and appreciate what we've got.

798
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,040
And, everything that we,
we didn't used to have.

799
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:36,600
So it's it's a pretty cool time, right now
to be a shooter, but I have to.

800
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,520
I can't let it go.

801
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,520
It kills me.

802
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,200
You know, if, first of all, you'd
never see a commercial with a deer camp.

803
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,240
Maybe for a light beer, in a fun moment.

804
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,920
But you're absolutely right.

805
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
There would be a differently abled person.

806
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:57,000
There would be a a gay couple and every
possible nationality under the rainbow.

807
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,560
Right. Would be there.

808
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840
So I don't know how you'd get a native
Pacific

809
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Islander there with an Eskimo,
but they would do that.

810
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,040
So yeah, just as.

811
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,800
It is for the times they not are
just changing.

812
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,000
They have changed.

813
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,880
They have. Changed.

814
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,440
So so well, we appreciate like Roy said,

815
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,480
leave us your comments.

816
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,000
I'd be interested
to hear from both the Graybeards and,

817
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,840
the young folks
or the, the less experienced shooters.

818
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,160
I'd, I'd be interested
to hear your perspective on this.

819
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,560
You can also reach me at editor at guns
podcast.

820
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,120
Dot us
and I'll send anything along to Roy.

821
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,840
And hopefully, as you saw
in the very beginning, we do actually read

822
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,840
those comments a lot
and take them to heart.

823
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,160
Except those occasional ones,
we just laugh about those.

824
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,480
But for the most part,
we really enjoy, seeing those comments.

825
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,680
So, before we go, course,
make sure you check out guns magazine.com.

826
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,840
They've got daily newsletters.

827
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,920
You can sign up for an.

828
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,440
I still write there, once a week.

829
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,160
And, likewise with American hand Gunner.

830
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,000
I know Tom
McHale's slaving away over there.

831
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,720
And, Roy, I don't know if you saw it.
I think I dropped you an email.

832
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,320
Tom covered the Rhino pistol, the ten
millimeter, the one we shot at your place.

833
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,320
And I was so mad
because he's to cover that, and he.

834
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,240
He beat me to it.

835
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,000
So you do take that up.

836
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,200
Yeah, exactly.

837
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,760
So I guess I'll just have to come back
to your house again. Yeah.

838
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,280
There you go.

839
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,960
You have a plan for the official co-host

840
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,400
of The Guns podcast U.S,
brought to you by guns magazine.

841
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,000
So on behalf of Roy Harrington
and the whole gang at,

842
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,480
Guns magazine.com,
and of course guns podcast.us.

843
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,280
I hope you got through the Christmas
season. Good.

844
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,960
And now we're facing that.

845
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Next week
will be the changing of the new year.

846
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,760
And and we'll look forward.

847
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,480
I'm going to look forward to 2026.

848
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,800
So anyway, until that time, as I always

849
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,840
say now get out there and get shooting.