Boogie Nights with Josh Androsky

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Speaker 1: On the Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best start changing it with the Beck dol Casts. Hello and welcome to the beckdel Cast. I'm your host, Caitlin Darante. I'm your other host, Jamie Lautus, and we have a podcast about the portrayal of women in movie. It's not this one is a different one. It's a different one. We're starting off hot. Yeah, we're doing role man hot today. I kept telling myself, I'm gonna stop calling myself the other host. Yeah, but I'm mothering myself, you know, I just try to. I know, it's not your fault. It's my fault. I mean don't know, but I keep casting myself as the b character of my own story. It's like, Jamie, what do you do it? Yeah, don't do that. You're like a who's a star? Who's this member of single movie star? I'm Natalie Portman. I'm not Mila coup Is right? That dirty? Okay? This is this is what happens when our guests are late. I hit the MIC's hard, too hard. Before we start, and then the opening as a disaster. Normally I'm very together for the opening, and then it goes and then yeah, let's just entro our guests. Then okay. He is a writer for SpongeBob square Pants. Hey cool, and he is with the Democratic Socialists of America the Los Angeles chapter. Interesting juxtaposition, Josh Androwski. Hello, I'd also like to point out I was a writer for I did nothing I say currently reflects the values of the Nickelodeon Corporation, Like look, come see, I couldn't say that they you can. You gotta sneak it in. Yeah, sneak it in. Get a lot of socialism into that show too, Okay, socialism income we're off the bat. Let's talk gender roles, because I kept trying to get bright part Info Wars and shipped to get mad at me for Colin Baron Trump a waterhead, but they only got mad at women that did it right, because not just the way it just the way. It's almost as if it's not at all about the thing. It's just about men that aren't okay with powerful women. Wow, that's crazy when you think about it. I would like to reallocate some things that people are mad at me about and give them to you. I could take them, dude. Yeah, what do I do all day? I got a bookieboard, put it on my bookie board, unpacked and put it onto my bookie board. Wow, what a great transition to the movie we're talking. Oh that that was on purpose. I just love books. Who uses the word bookie with any regularity? Hello, let's take the transition. Let's ride that wave. Yeah. Oh whoa, whoa, whoa. I know. Let's see how many bad puns we can squeeze into this episode. I mean squeeze and a good day. Oh yeah, that's it's a squeeze. That's I think the official genre squeeze. Paul Thomas Anderson fuck squeeze anyway, if you haven't guessed or the movie is Boogie Nights, written and directed by Paul Thomas Anderson and all his high school friends. If you want to believe some of the stories, I haven't heard those stories. He stole the whole movie. He made it with his friends and that was like bye, and then made it himself. But just you know, typical man. I would like to say right off the top, I don't trust three names. I never have trusted three names. I never will trust three names. I enjoy this film, I perhaps enjoy this three names creative output, sure, but I would never trust him with my life. A lot of the cast of the movie has three names. Because you've got Jonathan Taylor, Thomas Up, Michael Clark, Dunkee, Marquis Mark Wilberg. Well, if you count someone using their middle initial, that's a third name. You've got your John c Riley's you're William H. Mason, and you've got Philip Seymour Hoffman, I'm exact, Julie, Anne Moore, Heather Room Room Graham. That's for something I'll be bringing up a lot in this particular episode is guess who doesn't have three names? Alfred Molina just a bunch of syllables but only two names. I love him this movie. I also am a just gonna gently flick my being to all his scenes and feud tonight. So, Josh, when did you first see the movie? I saw this movie as part of like that like awakening that you have when you're like fourteen and you're like I'm an adult, where you're just like these movies defining me and everything. I'll talk about for the next six years and so. Yeah, so I was like fourteen or fifteen, and I saw it when he says Dirk Diggler and the sign comes on and like it explodes and it's so big, Like that was what the movie did to my brain. Well, yeah, the sign comes this is basically my head. Jeez. I saw it again around the same age. I might have been a little older. I think I was sixteen. I just knew it was one of those movies that was very iconic, and I was like, I gotta watch this if I'm going to be a film major at Penn State. Uh. So, I saw it when I was in high school to prepare for all the you know, movies I would need to know about. Much like Penn State, this movie also features a prominent old white pedophile. Yes, oh it's sad when he cries though it is you're my friend. And then the scene that I didn't remember when he's like in jail and he's like getting beaten up by his cellmate. I didn't remember that scene. Characters. Yeah, I thought for the first time then, and then I didn't watch it again until maybe a few months ago. I was like, oh, I gotta see this movie again. It's been a very long time. And then uh, and then I rewatched it twice, as I always do in preparation for every episode because I care too much. It's hard when you set a bar, you know, man, It's not because then I've got to get of the way there. And then I'm challenged by that. When had you seen it first? I saw maybe a half hour of it in high school. When my dad used to do this really funny thing, or after we fall asleep, he would watch the sun Dance Channel because we couldn't afford that. What are the sexy channels? We couldn't afford the premium like HBO. Yeah yeah, yeah. So my my dad would seek out titties on the Sundance channel at night and one I'm sorry, no, I have to we need to give that a moment just for the last thing you just said. You just have to say it one more time and I'm really sorry to interrupt. Okay, okay. Uh. My dad would seek out titties on the Sundance dannal thank you at nights. Uh. And then sometimes I would be like, I can't sleep, I'm gonna go down and hang out with my dad. And one time he was watching Boodie Knights, and before he realized all the discussing things were about to happen, He's like, yeah, this is my favorite movie. And then I watched it for like fourteen minutes and we saw all these It was the scene with Julianne Moore's like sweet little pink nip and I was like, all right, this is where I'm going to tap out and go upstairs. And he kept watching and then I watched it. It It took me like ten years to sleep that off, but I watched it again and I like it. One of the first times I saw Titanic after he had come out on VHS, I was watching in my living room and my dad came in and it was like the nude drawing scene and and he didn't walk away, so we were just sitting there. And I think it was also in that same moment that I asked him what flour play was, because I legitimately had no idea what that word meant. And he stuttered and stumbled and then walked away, and I was like, Okay, well, at least I got what I wanted in terms of him not being in the room during this sex scene. How old were you? I must have been like twelve. I had heard the word and I was like, I don't know what that means, and so I I just thought it was a very innocent question because you knew what fingering was when you were twelve. I yeah, I know. I think everybody, come on, do you know what it is? Now? No, it's like, okay, imagine your body. I'll figure it out. No. I didn't. Well, I think maybe we've talked about it. I didn't know what any sex things were until they were happy happening as an in real time learner. I told you how, Yeah, I did, because the guy I was talking about texting me, I was like, hey, why did you say that you saw it invented oral sex on women? Yeah? And I thought he was and I thought it was a pervert. Yeah, I thought what he listens to the podcast, he's a bit Yeah. Shout out to Steven, who I thought invented oral sex. Anyways, Yeah, we're still we're still tight. Was it the movie we're talking about? It's Boogie Nights. Let me give you the famous Caitlin's recap or whatever. This movie it's like an ensemble cast, but the focus is a character named Dirk Diggler played by Mark Wahlberg, and he is a seventeen year old kid working in a nightclub. He sort of gets scouted by this adult filmmaker. He's both an adult and he makes adult films. Just in case you were confused, Well, because one adult makes child films, let's revealed laters. So it is a good distinction. It is, uh yeah, films for and by children. It's like kids, Bob Yeah, oh boy, Jack Horner right corner and he's like, hey, you should work with me, and he's like okay, and then they see his dick and it's huge and they're like, oh yeah, we definitely want to work. We gotta employ this hog. When did the word hog come into the vernacular? Because I was waiting for her to be Alige in this movie that was like sweet hog, you know, and never came. I don't know when that happened. I feel like it was a different scene, like a different the different social scene. I feel like there were people, there were people that Altamont talking about hogs. There had to be I feel like that was, you know, the seventies is where the phrase hog would because like maybe like a ken ke zy, like you know, Portland bikers. It's like, you know, like I don't want to call it a cork. I don't want to call it a crank. There's got to be something that's softer but gets the point across. And then he's got a large farm animal. All right, I'm narrowed down. Okay, uh big no ever, No, that's that's that implies female? Yeah right right right? Horse? No close? Nope? Wait, back, you were closer with horse? Hi? Okay, we're so close. Okay, Wait, there's gotta be another vowel. We can put a hag. All right, guys, I know I've said this a lot today, but we're the next one we say. I think we're gonna do it. And by the way, we're all bakers that were all out of our minds on speed right now. Okay, one to three h I think we got it. Great hogs, everybody, we've all had our hogs out this entire time. Yep. I'm a great, bright, beautiful, shining star. Okay, to all the perverts listening right now, I hope your hogs have been out. Yes, uh, we expect that of you. Hogs out baby, welcome to the back. You gotta start that every wait, do you have a catchphrasey after your podcast grow up? Right, Well, now you gotta another one, and it's hogs Out. It's the Bexel Cats. Hogs out, grow up. The rest of the story, Yeah, sum, I know. Basically, he's like, my name's Dirk now not Eddie, and I'm gonna make these adult films and he like rises to superstardom in the porn industry and everyone loves him and it's huge dick. And then he starts doing a bunch of coke and he has like everyone has sort of like this fall from Grace at the end of the seventies, and there's the starting of the eighties that all goes to ship right exactly literally moment one of when it all goes to chip Um. And then there's all these secondary characters that each of their own subplot read rothchildk chest Rockwell, yeah, okay, John c Riley a young hand not to uh objectified John c Riley, but I'm gonna go for it. Uh. It is so weird to see John c Riley with like a tight little body and the same hairline as he has today. Head up, he's current John c Riley. And then from the neck down he's like a babe. It's confusing. Yes, he's got a subplot where he, you know, wants to be a magician, and that just like hits really close to home from the way that makes me want to flip a table. Why Why? Because I feel like I'm drawn to people who secretly want to be magicians and and it's just a vile habit. I think. Yeah. I was at a bar in college at again Penn State, and those sirens. This guy was doing card tricks and then his friend was doing like mentalism stuff, and I was so I love magic, So I was like, oh my god, I love this. Guys want to go? I asked neither of them in particular. I just sort of posed the question at both of them, and I said, do you want to go on a date? And because they weren't sure who the question was directed at, they both showed up. So I went on a like three way date with these two magicians, but one magician, one mentalist. Are you sure this wasn't a nightmare you had? This was real life's Red Shoe Diaries. I mean it was fun. They did magic tricks the whole time. They didn't did no, they didn't. And then did they pull anything out of their hats? They pulled their hogs out, They pull out their hogs from their hats, hogs out? Did they both pull their hogs out? No, that didn't know. It was like, this is a wild story. I love it. I'm gonna make my penis disappear and then it just recedes into his guy. I would want to see that trick. Love a good trick. I took clowning classes one important for okay, for love, I have found my inner clown. And it was this different from the puppeteering classes. You took different thing. Oh my god, Jamie didn't think. This is around the same time, probably the same calendar year. Troubling year for me. I took the took the puppet classes, and then amazingly, the puppeteer, who was ten years older than me, never fell in love with me, who lived in the attic of the puppet theater. So I was like, all right, let's be mature, let's move on. Is this like a Phantom of the Paper situation. It's a fan of the opera. If he doesn't give a funk about you, that's no fun. And it's just a guy who lives in a dank place with a weird face, with a weird face and a lot of puppets, and then and then I was like, all right, now I have a crush on the clown and I took his clown class and gang I was the star of the class. Uh, teachers at the clown class. And then, uh, I never saw him again. Well, we're talking about who knows. There's a lot of carnival music and boogie nights. There is just saying Michael Penn score very good. I believe it was Michael Penn that scored it. And there's a lot of carnival music in it. So this all this all check check out. I was listening to Elo on the way over. Well, yeah, I love l O. I'm almost at the end of the recap, which has maybe been my worst one yet, but I don't know, you almost two magicians in the middle of it. I feel like it's been the best one. Uh. So everyone has had sort of their fall from Grace Dirk. Digglers like jerking off in front of people for money and then they don't even pay him. They beat the ship out of him instead. Things like that beat them up. Yeah. Uh, and then everyone realizes, oh, maybe I should start doing so much coke and like maybe get my life back on track. And then you know, some g E d s are taken and people who need help ask for help, and then everyone sort of has a little kind of comeback. Yeah. I was surprised at how pleasant the end of this movie is, like everyone right, Yeah, William age Macie is truly sort of the only victim of the movie. Well and all those guys who got shot that covered Don Cheedle in blood right, but that led to him and his wife, But truly the only two innocent, nice, good, perfect people other than Scotty. Uh, but Scotty is the sin of the key, He's too covetous. But truly, the only pure people in the movie are Don Cheetle and I forget the actress's name who plays he marries um Jesse st Vincent. Yes, yes, yes, who I believe was played by an actual adult actress. Maybe I think so, I'm not sure, Okay, r I P Philipsy, We're happy, but this is like peak Philipsy were hoff and where the whole movie He's like, what, why do you love me? Here's my message to Philips and more. Hoffman's ghost grow up, here's my ghost. Can I kiss you right now? I'm gonna kiss you on the mouth. Please let me that's how I please, let me kiss you on the mouth. That he's like on the mouth. That is one of many very hard scenes to watch in this movie. Yes, the scene. The other one that's especially hard is whenever Roller Girls in the limo Jack Horner and they pick up that guy who she went to high school and like slut shamed her in the middle of an exam, and then that's when she's like, I'm not going to be in high school anymore, rolls out of the classroom. But yeah, that seems super empowering. That's completely flipped, like the empowerment of that slut shame, but also I think led her back to go finish her. So it's like a weird circular thing for a woman who wears wheels all the time. Well, she's found to go on circles. Was the puns are coming back? She don't take her roller skates off to have sex. That's cool. Yeah, I love how they sucked that song from Burt Reynolds and I have a dream. At the end of that scene though, after they get out of the limo, and then they beat the ship out of that guy and then she like stomps him on the face with her rollers. Yeah, and I was like, you know what, good for her? I usually don't condone violence, but you stop that guy in the face. This is the Yeah. I like roller Girl and she is part of this movie. I was, you know, as a ciss hat white straight male. Yeah. I don't watch the I don't watch movies like Looking for the Bechtel Test. You know, it's just not a thing that I think of, But this movie passed it within the first five minutes. There is a like that very uh we've talked about this towards the end of the thing is that you're stomping on our faces with your roller. That's a good one. Thanks. Uh yeah, well we'll get to that. But I never listened to the podcast that I showed up twenty five minutes late, so typical fund up on that. God the podcast because groovy baby, I'm gonna you ever have that like thought where you're just like, what if I just hit my head so hard at the table I passed out. That's like a lot of first date thoughts have had. Uh No, this is a fun one, Okay, so like, if you're a dinner resonant or you know, at a at a Denny's, perhaps and go on first dates at a Denny's, I insist, okay, But anyways, like if your hand and you're having a bad time and you're like, I hate this person, do you ever think about like taking the knife and just chopping your hand off just to like get them to stop talking, because then they'd be like, oh wait, speaking of like a horrible first dates, I'm gonna tell a very quick story that's also very relevant to the movie where So I went on the first date in New York City with a guy who turned New York City concrete jungle where dreams are made of. So you were walking here, walking here with this guy there's you can't do? Okay, grow up? Um, so you're pizza pie. I was like, hey, I'm walking here. I went on a date. We had nothing in common. He was very very boring. We did briefly talk about what he did for a living, which was he's like, and I'm an actor in a model and okay, cool, what have you been in? And I don't know? It was a match dot he was pretty, which will come into the story later. I met him on match dot com and um, but like I left the date earlier. It was so miserable that I was like, I can't even I was there for an hour and then I was like, I'm going to go home and never talked to you again. Fast forward to a year later, I was living in Central Pennsylvania and I got a job as an assistant to a talent scout who scouted for men to be in jerk off videos for gay porn websites. I think I know where this is going, and I'm so excited. This is how you guys met originally. Yeah, I scouted you. Yeah, wild I love this story. First my name was Beefie Beaver and then I'm now I'm I've lost some weight and I'm OOPSI otter and so it's fun. It's fun. We're having fun. Okay. So we were having a hard time finding people, and I was like, hey, I went on a date with this guy who was like very good looking, like the type of guy we were looking for. They wanted very chiseled exactly, and he I know I've frequented and he with the description. So I was like, why don't we like email him and just see because he said he was an actor in a model he might be willing to do this type of work, who knows. So I still had his phone number and we googled it to see if like an email address would pop up. I didn't, But what did pop up was like twelve profiles advertising him as a gay for pay mail escort. I guess the lord must be in New York City. So I had gone on a date with what turned out to have been a mail prostitute. Uh, so we emailed him or we found there was like a contact page on one of his profiles. It was midnight Cowboy at this is not a movie jazz. He never wrote back, though, and I was like, well, why wouldn't you do this stuff already? Yeah, maybe he does it for the love of the game. Well maybe, Well why didn't he do it pro bono? Then? Or hen I had a gun pointed. I thought I was gonna say, boner. Hey, shall we talk about the movie? Sure? No, okay, it is like my favorite movie. If I had to pick if I if many times do you think you've seen it? Oh? God? Uh? Countless? I mean like start to finish, not doing anything but watching the movie, probably like twenty this movie is at least for me, going to be kind of tricky to talk about in this context because the porn industry has historically been based on objectifying people women, especially women. Uh So a movie about this industry is like maybe not going to portray women in the best light if they're like depicting it accurately. But also like this movie doesn't do a terrible job, and they do acknowledge there are different points in the story where like Dirk Diggler's like, I don't want to see women treated that it and um, there's a scene when he's about to have his first sex scene with amber A k a Pink Nips and they're like, Okay, here's what you're gonna do. And he's like, well do we just go like right into the sex And he's like yeah, yeah, And then he turns to Ambery he's like, are you okay with that? Like, so he's like making sure everything is about to happen is something that she's consenting to. So you know, that was interesting to see on screen. Um, and also like not a big deal, Like it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't one of those things where it's like we're going to talk about consent, but like very quietly throughout, like you could root for Mark Wahlbert because the entire time he was like, very I feel like consenting and wasn't the monster that you would expect somebody that was on that much cocaine and an important industry to be right. In fact, not a lot of the characters were as villainous as you might think considering the industry that they were working. And although there is that part whenever I think Amber is making a documentary about porn or specifically her colleagues, and she's like, well, what about the violence that's happening towards women in these movies, and he's she's speaking specifically about the Brocklanders series, and Dirk's just like, well, like whatever, that's just what the movie is, Like, that's my character, that's not me. And then read Rothchild said something similar. He's like, well, if you know, if movies cause violence, and then we could just eliminate violence altogether by getting rid of movies. And it's like, I feel like that at least is portrayed as like comedy, they're stupid. Yeah, exactly, it was played for comedy. That was one of the dumbest moments they had. It was like that, and then the when they recorded their song, We're like there too, funny sidest moments like as friends. That was another scene that was so hard to watch because they were so bad at music and Dirk Deggler is the worst singers. And then they were like, we made gold here. If we could just get our tapes, we could have a record deal and give us our tapes because that's everyone we know. Delusion, I live for Delusion. Well, rock you, we will like a little kitten. The tone of this movie is very interesting because it goes from like having quite a bit of comic relief to that whole sequence where like everyone is like they've totally sucked their lives up. And it starts with William H. Macy shooting his wife and her lover and then himself, and then that just becomes this whole sequence where everyone is a disaster. They're all like coke aduled and they're jerking off for ten dollars in front of people, which they were doing at the beginning. Its Well, it was a fun full circle moment when he's jerking off for ten dollars again. Well, I'll get back there, sure, but like it. And this sequence is so tragic people are getting the ship beat out of them and stuff, but um so that the tone kind of shifts, but then it shifts back again end towards the end of the movie where they're all like, hey, it's all right, I took my g E d and I get to be in a poor movie again and I'm going to show my dick and because I'm I'm Dirk Diggler and I'm cool. But there's so much there's a bunch of like running jokes, where one is when William H. Macy keeps walking in on his wife sucking some other dude and he's like, what the hell are you doing and she's just like, get out of here. You're embarrassing me. And that has one of my favorite line, one of my favorite lines of the movie, which is actually a funk up that they kept in where he goes Williams goes up to Ricky J. The magician and the I R L magician who was in this movie, and he goes, my wife has an assent her cock in the driveway and it's not and he's just so flustered that he says ass in her cock and that was a funk up, but they kept it in because Paul Thomas Anderson just loved how legit flustered Little Bill was. And yeah, I caught that and I wrote it down, is like that is funny, total funk up by William H. Macy. Not planned what fun up. He's unnoticed that running joke is like such a class example of like the rule of three, and it heightened each time, and then at the very end, like how much more can you heighten it besides like suicides exactly, But like up until then, it was like a really funny running gag. And but also it spoke to the power that women had over men in this movie. And that's something that I really tried to watch it, like really focusing on the women in this movie because usually I'm a read rothchild. That's how I watched the movie. I watched it from his perspective, like when I was like a teen, I just like the John c Riley and then trying not to be the philipsine more Hoffman. But I watched how the women affected the men and how they interacted with each other a lot, and women had the power almost throughout the entire movie except for when the ship hit like really hit the ski kids was when like there weren't that as much like women in charge. Like the whole reason that this happened was because Marky Mark's mom is the most powerful woman in that family, you know, like if you're talking like pure power dynamics, cook Dad, cook dad, and then like wanted to her son. Maybe it was weird that there was a weird moment in the beginning when he shoves here against the wall. I was like, are they get kissed? Yeah? I did not interpret it that way. Oh I felt it it was this morning for mommy. Yeah, no, but that I mean that was interesting because it's like, you know, the movie is already so long, there was no time to explain why the family dynamic was that way per se, but it was so like it heightened so quickly and so intensely. I guess that's like one of the female characters where I was like why is that? You know, like why is that the dynamic here? She understood why they did it for like narrative reasons, because she's basically the catalyst that gets him to be like Okay, I'm gonna choose his path of being and I need a daddy, right yeah. Also, yeah, a mommy and a daddy. Yeah. So basically Amber ends up being his like mother figure, and then Jack Horner ends up being his father figure. And so it was kind of upsetting to see his mom, his actual mom, being such like a shrew and just such an awful person. But I mean that's how some people are, so you know, I guess it makes sense. And the dad was portrayed just as shitty. He like had no idea how to connect with his son at all or his wife for the world that you could just how this guy was, like it was one of those three you just like staring out of a window and then the scenery behind him changes. About that dad, Yeah, spin up movie cut dad, cut daddy, cut daddy. So, Josh, your point about like women kind of being the most powerful force of the movie, I I agree, and I disagree. I do like how anytime there's a sex scene, it's often like on the women's terms and they're like calling the shots and they're saying like, don't come inside me, I never take my roller skates off, blah blah blah. But in terms of like the actual narrative and the portrayal of their stories, like so every single character or every main character has their own subplot where they have like an individual desire or something they're pursuing. So you've got like Don Cheatle wants to open a stereo store. John c Riley wants to be a magician, and he's like a musician and our poet and stuff like that, and the sugar, the sugar is full of bees, but the bees don't sting. Oh yeah, So you have these different male characters have like these pretty strong desires, whereas the women, in particular Roller Girl and Amber, they kind of have their subplots are just either like not as clearly defined or if they do have like a distinct desire, they're not pursuing it that ambitiously or nearly as ambitiously as the men are. So like Amber's character she has a son. I mean, I feel free to disagree with me, but um, she has a son and she is trying to like pursue getting him back and it doesn't work out for her. But I don't know, it just it didn't strike me as like being as strong or is a prominent part of the story as these other like male subplots were. And then same thing with Roller Girl to me, she can't. She's just you know, doing the movies. She wants to go back and get her G E D. Eventually, that's something that's revealed because she drops out of high school, but she doesn't really have a definitive desire that's like carrying her subplot. I kind of disagree with that. I think I think that they, you know, we could both. We could argue that both these characters have clearly defined goals, but they're just not as successful at achieving them. And I think that that is like probably part of why this movie reflects this industry and all this stuff where, you know, for the guys that feel like it pans out in a more black and white way. But I think that with with Uh, with Amber she wants her son, and then we see with the documentary she makes that she also sort of has higher aspirations than just being like the true woman important and neither of those really pan out for her. But I feel like there is like an aspiration for something more and in your right that it's a little bit less defined. But Uh, and then Roller Girl with her G E D also you know, like lots of roadblocks. But I don't know, I didn't I did think that for sure, every character's subplot was clearly defined, and just for the female characters, it didn't tend to work out as black and white. I would also say that, um, they're most Both of their most intense desires were freedom, like the freedom to do what they want as women. You know. I think that that was like, really the crux of ambers thing was she liked to party and fuck and be the mother of all of these people who are already old enough to agree with her and want to do But then she wanted her son, like she wanted to have it both ways, and like it's the seventies, you know, like and same with the roller girl, like you saw her in school, like she was trying hard to like figure it out, and then like the dudes at the school were fucking assholes, and so she wanted the free She doesn't take off her skates. She gets what she wants, you know, in her way. I think it's a lot of it is a commentary on society like that time and how hard it is for a woman to even be able to come up with a distinct desire in this world, you know, like you're not useful in the seventies if you're a woman, like to to capitalism, to industry, to whatever, you know, you would have to fight so much fucking harder. And so I think a lot of this was like the you know, last remnants of really love trying to like get for freedom. It also could be the men's characters desires are more outward and the women's characters designs were more like internals. That's an interesting point though, because I think that you could probably find a moment where every male man or sub character clearly states what they want, maybe with the exception of Philip Seemore Hoffmann, because I don't want to kiss you on the math, I want to kiss you in the mouth. He does. But but we don't really hear those sort of mission statements made by the female characters, which maybe why it's less clear, or if we do, you know, we could sort of argue that roller Girl sort of makes that mission statement, uh in that scene where she's talking to Amber, but that's yeah, like, but that's just them, you know, and it's like never stated to a male character. Yeah, And well that's also when she's like, I'm going to go back and get my g E D. And we don't learn that about her until that's towards the end of the movie. Yeah, but did she know that about her? Um, maybe not until that point. Is that what you mean? Maybe that was like a moment of clarity for her. She has kicked around for quite a bit of the movie before we know what she actually wants. We also have to remember that she's very young and like but the same thing seduced into this world, just like Eddie from Torrents. You know. But yeah, I mean this is why this movie is, like, it's very complex. So it's like kind of difficult to at least for me to very long. It's very to take a walk. It's two and a half hours long. Yeah, that exceeds my attention span. But I did my best. Wait, you so you've seen it countless time, So you spent like day's worth of time, Probably at least two days of my life. It's been watching Boogie Nights and I love it. I mean, Titanic is three and a half hours long. I've probably seen it fifty times. Yeah, we've maybe a whole week, probably at least three days watching the Jinks. Yeah, like I think all the way through talked about him no bathroom breaks. I am on a piss strike. I am announcing it now on this podcast two years. Hey, here's a question in The Big Lebowski. Whenever the dude meets Jackie Treehorn, is that I wonder if that's a vague allusion to well Jack Corner. Isn't that like a nursery friend, little Jack? Yeah, I mean that's a fake name, Corner, Yeah, pointing themselves. I should have chosen a porn scout name for myself. Oh yeah, actually I had one because my boss. My boss made me business cards to hand out that I never did, never handed a single one out to anyone. You should start handing them out now. I might still have that. I kept my first name, but my last name was Kelly. Caitlyn Kelly for right now. That's a great name. I think you're going to say your name was like sex Xena. Oh that would have been good. Fuck guy, horsewoman Caitlin the Hog, big old hog Kelly. Hogs out hogs out grow up dogs out Kelly. Let's let's do our general tests, Aristole. If we forget any less, no, uh, steampunk imagery in this movie, I'm happy to report very low. Is there any steampunk immagery that not a rogue gear. And there's two magicians in the movie. There's two magicians, and yet they suck, and so steampunk culture is not glorified. I'd like to point out that Josh Androwski is currently vaping the vision. It smells like coffee. It smells like breakfast here, bab um. What else? There's no bald women in this movie, so I can't apply her bald woman test. What else is? We did mention Titanic already? We did mention Titanic. We said grow up? Did we say I'm triggered? If not, I'm triggered. I've said it a couple of times. Okay, you've been triggered quite a bit. Yeah, this is very trigger woman. There's no women. It doesn't pass the fact text. Wait doesn't it? Because I was gonna say that's not stem I wish that roller Girl had had a more defined desire. She wanted to go back and get her g e d to specifically go on to be a woman instead. I want to be a woman instead. Hold on. Julianne Moore explains the process in which a chemical enters your body Cocaine to Marky Mark the first time he does it, which is chemistry that ain't STEMP. There's also a lot of chemistry in this movie that ain't STEMP. Baby chemistry, the lab, the chemistry between Julianne Moore and Mark Wahlberg during that first sex scene when she says to come in her Oh like a romantic chemistry. Funny. Okay, Josh was doing it funny. We didn't realize what's up there? Oh, how many degrees you have? I have two degrees. I mentioned one of them already, a film degree from Penn State. Do you just can't stop? I can't. And then I have a second, a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University. I still just got my one in radio broadcasting. I dropped out of high school. Much like roller Girl, I'm the roller Girl of the Los Angeles East Side alternative comedy scene. I kept wanting to be able to drop parallels from like the porn industry to like the comedy community. It's very similar, I think. So you're listening to nine, this is oh I forgot in the other episode where I did my R and B late night radio show boy, was that I gave the wrong name to the show and the actual name of the show is way better. It's you're listening to this secret spot. Oh no, that sounds like a Louis Guzman club name the Rodriquez Brothers's supposed to be and all he wants he just wants to be in one of the movies. Yeah, yeah, wants to be fucking a lady, which he doesn't get to do. But he wants his brother to see him a lady, but his brothers get to see him betraying Chess Rockwell and read roth your wait Chess Rockwell? And what was Dirk Deegler's fake name rock Landers? And then he gets punched and falls way too early? Uh can we tell? One of my favorite jokes in the movie is they're going shopping with the money that like Dirk Degler now as from like and they have a pair of shoes and someone goes, oh are they lizard and he goes, no, they're Italian. Loved it. My other favorite thing is Jesse St. Vincent in her oil paintings. Yes they are very bad, but that's another thing where it's like that she very quietly has an ambition and doesn't talk about it. She doesn't externalize it like the men do. And then also, um, what's her name um that Don Jetle was with Becky Barnett. Becky Barnett also just like gets out of the industry, marries a man that she clearly liked more than Don Jeedle. Uh yeah, he was in the auto industry. They moved to Bakersfield, and she was she got married and she was super happy, and she was totally she seemed like the most well adjusted one out of all of them and got the funk out and was super quiet about it. And so I think there is definitely something to the idea of the men just so externalizing their desires and the women in herinalizing them more. And but I think she out of everybody because everybody else's success comes at hitting a real bottom. And as the movie has it, Becky Barnett, she gets out, she gets a family, she's living in Bakersfield with her husband, who's got a nice job for that, you know, for like the early eighties management baby, Yeah bring it. Ah. Yeah, that is interesting. I I kind of forgot about Becky Um. She gets very little screen time. She and Jesse st Vincent don't have a ton of screen time. Yeah, I don't know, I mean, I I was I kind of forgot about that, And it's funny because I think it would be sort of like an easy gag to be like, oh and Jesse sam Vincent sucks at painting. But no one in this movie is very good at anything, regardless of gender. Everyone's kind of fucking mediocre and just scraping by, Like you know, Amber's documentary is not good. John c Riley is not good at poetry or magic, like everyone's sort of sucking. Is a horrible singer, he's yeah, yeah, and that's kind of sad, like all of their ambitions with I don't know, I can't I don't know if I can think of any Jack Horner's movies suck. Yeah, I'm just about to say sad they're not good, and I mean sure, like low budget porn movies aren't gonna be but those are sure. And then he kept saying like I want to make films. I want I want people to sit and watch and stew in that. So just because they're so engaged with the story, I think the thing is And this gets to another reason why I really like this movie is that it portrays sex workers as just people. These people are, They're they're not great, They're not bad like they're somewhere in between. They're just human beings. Even like the new trailer where like it's like the so called feminist movie where they like accidentally kill a stripper, you know, it's like fuck you, Like yeah, like this this movie's portrayal of sex works like an honest thing that just people do and then leave or then go back to or whatever. It's the same as anything. It's the same as any people. And I think that is a really underplayed part of the movie, is that just how fucking real all these people are and they also happen to be sex workers. Yeah, I'm on board co signed. You know what, I would like to take credit for all that I like to co sign, but now it's mine. Yeah. Well, as when you agree to do this podcast, if you give any like cool and good opinions, they actually become ours. That I should have read the fine prints to the podcast once before I flip the table. Go flift the table. It's that that's really all I ever want to do in my whole life. If I flip to table today, I can die tomorrow and totally fine, Well, you gotta wait to plup that table. It's got to be the perfect table. Because if you waste it on this, I barely a table, folks. My Here's how I think this is going to go. I'm going to live to be ninety four years old beyond my deathbed, and my great great grandchild will be like, hey, you move. Did you ever flip that table? And I'll say I'll look at my tattoo which reminds me to do it, and I'll say, no, I never did, and she'll set up a table and then I'll almost flip it, but I'll die in the middle. Here's how I wanted to have Here's how it should happen. So you're on a you're on a boat, a boat Titanic. Yeah, so you're gonna be like I've told my story about always wanting to flip the table, and then you're going to flip there over the edge of a boat and it's going to sink down into the water, and then you're going to go to sleep that night and die and then go to heaven. And you're gonna see, don't even start with the heaven seed. I like tears jumped to my eyes. Just wait and Titanic, do they go to heaven? Yes, Patamic ends in heaven. They go to heaven. I'm sorry, I still think it's a dream. They go to heaven. It's not a dream, it's real life. And it's so sad because they walk in and you're like, it's all the beaters see characters, and then they got to hang out here too, and then they're all there. That's not the person heaven. Bit. Well, there's a lot of parallel heavens. I don't understand why that would be hold on, you can't just zoom right by that. There's a lot of parallel heavens who are all aware of that. What also, why would everyone has their own Why would heaven be the place died all those people died on the ship. Why would their version of heaven be like, oh, remember the ship that killed me. Jesus is just on the cross in heaven, just hopping around on like the bottom of the heaven. But what if it's mine, then what are you doing? Well? Then where is he? He has to know a little bit and his heaven that he's doing that in mind, it's parallel, Jesus. What if heaven is like you get plugged into the matrix or like what I mean want and then you're like, this is how I don't make this into sci fi. I'm having fun with my heaven, my heaven when my heaven would be Yeah, that last thing in Titanic except I am Fabricio's girlfriends. You're even a minor character in your own heaven fun. Yes, Like at the beginning, I cast myself. I only have four five seconds of the screen time in my own movie. Wow, it's it's it's round. We're going in circles, just like we're on wheels. And my blood blood pressure is insane right now, did you bleed a lot or something? I feel like my bloods about to first out of my body all myfices. Yeah. Yeah, there's a surprising amount of the murder, and there's a lot of blood. There's a lot of blood, a lot of blood for people's heads and mouths and went in Titanic, No, they cut that all out. I was like, can we talk about Titanic now? Remember when they used the necklace to strangle all those people. Well, there's murder in both movies. We can you know what, I'd love to keep talking about Titanic. I would not. I just thought a book nights. I'm like, I'm bored. I want to talk about Titanic is so good. Does anyone have any And he's got heaven in it. Yeah, there is heaven in it. There's heaven and boogie Knights. Heaven and boogie Knights is the fucking when they all are dancing together and they all have a group dance routine on the disco, that's a metaphor, yea for heaven. Everything heaven and we're never going to die. That's heaven. Titannic is real heaven. And you take his hand and then it pans up and hey, it's the captain end of the movie. I'm triggered. Um, can we talk about the scene where Dirk Diggler pulls out the out? I like that this movie is basically an extended objectification of a man based on his dick size. He's just treated mostly as a commodity. They're like, you're we're going to make money off you because you're a huge dick, and that's what this movie is about. Um, and you're too stupid, like his mom is just like you're too stupid to know anything? Yeah something that. Yeah, that another hard scene to watch, especially because he almost sucked his mom. I don't I would have I would have forgiven everything. If they had just give me a little kiss. If he was like, Mom, give me a little kids, like mom, or give me a little kids. I want to kiss my own. Let's talk about the same where he pulled his stick out in front of his mom. Mom to TVs. Very need more oxygen. Okay, old hogs just left because he can't handle I I bet he's doing he's break. No, he's jerking off. We haven't have one of those inns. We haven't know he's jerking off in someone's paying in ten bucks. But he'll be thinking about a hog. Mom. Wait, okay, so this is what I was thinking about about hogs, old hogs wild hogs? Is that like a hogs reference? I mean, look, what isn't? But is it? I don't. I've never seen wild dogs, but I assume about motorcycles. But it's like also like old dicks. So you're confusing old dogs. You're you're confusing old dogs as wild hogs, which I totally understand. But there are two very different movies. Isn't there old hogs? No, that is a that is a genre. That is just a genre. That's not a movie. That's a part. If you go, yeah, there is a U. I purchased whippets last night at the exotic boutique right by my house. There is an entire section of pornography that is like one of the titles was, Oops, I fuck your Grandma? Where do you get whip it? At the portant Place. I do want everyone that I am the whippet comedian. God damn it, I'm going to be the dug bends at a whipp Its. I didn't know how many I'm gonna do all my shows at three eleven, which is the Times and whips get getting whipped with it. Your theme song can be getting whippy with It. There is literally a song called whipp It. There's you need to do any work for it. You got to write a different song. That's so much extra alright, deal, you can hire out the person who wrote the Bactel Cast theme song to write who is Mike Kaplan wrote the lyrics? Okay? We were like, I think again, I can see my peripherals screen. It's three eleven. Okay, okay. You know what turns out there is steampunk. You're in the weird chrome steampunk vape cigarettes. It's like as long as a bugle, it's ridiculous. One of the buttons a little flag on FROs it his bag. He got vapid. He keeps he keeps blowing out smoke cloth. It's not smoke, gets vape. He keeps vaping little cogs out of his mouth and swayed vests. I hate it. Hey, does anyone have any final thoughts about the movie? I like it very poignant. Yes, so it does does a couple different times. I was pleasantly it's in the first five minutes it does with the yeah yeah. Roller Girl rolls up to Amber at the table and Ambers like, hey, do you call that girl? You gotta get that checked off. You don't call tomorrow, you won't be able to get to see her. Presumably she has a T I or an S t I or something. She'satively like, I imagine someone trying, you know, like if you have a U T I and someone tries to talk to you and you're like, like, there's someone tries to dance with her. She's like, I gotta go, yeah, I'm on fire. Then it happens again. There's a montage where we see a few different scenes between Amber and roller Girl. Again, they're doing a bunch of coke yeah, rule girls, like let's take a pottery class. I want to get my g e. D lasts for maybe fifteen seconds and then it cuts back and then she they are talking about Dirk for a minute. They're like I miss him. But then she's like, be my mom. Will you say that you're my mom? And she's like, yes, honey, I'm your mom. And that's arguably the most intense part of the entire movie. Like, like, I mean, it's a super intense movie at parts, but I mean it's to me, it's more intense than the violence. It's more intense than any of the actual physical violence done. Is just the emotional violence of that scene and just they're so desperate and they need each other so much and this world has given them fucking nothing and they just have each other and it's like so intense. I've gotta I got a vape. Yeah together, Aristotle. I want to talk about, just real quick, the romantic relationships or sort of lack thereof in like maybe Jack is like dating slash with roller Girl and Amber, we're not really sure, like no one's really together, Like they're fucking on screen like on camera all the time, but no one like really had except for like Don Cheatle and um Justine st Vincent. The people who like get together and then they pair off and then they basically leave the industry are really the only ones who are like managed to like sustain a like a solid romantic relationship everyone who stays in it, which like stands to reason. I mean, like imagine trying to sustain a relationship where you're just like, oh, but you gotta go fuck my friend for money, right, But also like it seems like Amber and Jack have an understanding, you know, they have a mutual respect almost like a kind of but not even I wouldn't even say Henry because Jack for as fucking weird as he is and and correct me if I'm wrong. As a man watching it, Jack never came off like a creep, like the colonel or even the other the guy that was the dying guy in Magnolia that that was the videotape guy, like all of them, like we're fucking creeps. But to me, Jack never seemed like a creep. He just seemed like he was like, I run a business, and I know you're the type of people that would be in this business. You need me, I need you, and let's have an understanding. He didn't seem to exploit anyone more than necessary, more than they wanted to be exploited for a moment at least, you know, and then afterwards, like he stopped. And the only true moment of exploitation you really saw at the hands of a woman with Jack was that Limos scene and Jack almost murdered the man afterwards. That did it? You know, I feel like it is obviously per problematic, but like there wasn't understanding we could speculate us to what. He only went after him after he said, well, your movie stuck now anyway, and that's what triggered him to go and like be And then it was roller girl, who's like, you disrespected me and then she stomps on his face with her roller skates. Um, so who knows a few if part of I mean he was talking about like, hey, this this is a woman. Don't treat her like just a hole like in the fucking you know Limo. So I mean, obviously, yeah, you could positive that it was his the slight to his own ego that made him do it. I could totally see that. But it just was interesting to me in a movie where it would have been so easy to paint people with such broad strokes. Paul Thomas Anderson did such a great job of like finely detailing three names. Yeah. Uh No. Jack's character is is interesting to me, like because I don't think that he's a pervert either, but it's just like his I feel like his whole narrative is just like this really sad, desperate search for integrity of some sort. And he and it seems like he treats every area of his life with that approach of like I'm going to approach the people I work with with integrity. I'm gonna try to approach my my own work with integrity. And none of it is great or works out well. But it's like I feel like he always compromises it. He always compromises it when push comes to shove, but like wants to believe that he's this principle alpha boy. There's a scene as everyone else is deteriorating in their lives, are going to ship. His also sort of is because first of all, he had to like compromise and switch to video, which he didn't really do, and then he's directing a movie with uh, a little boy, and then movie and and and uh and Jesse san Vincent's like, is he gonna suck me in the ass? And he's like, I don't know, do you want him to? And she's like yeah, that'd be great. He's like all right, fuck her in the as like he just he's kind of given up. He's like, well, I'm not I can't you know what is that is right? This isn't the art I was making rama. But when you're calm. I do like the scene where whenever the Dirk comes back and it's like I need help? Can you help me? And he's just like give me a huggle, pal. They make up. Yeah, yeah, but but it is God. Those characters are so weird, and I think that Julianne Moore's character is kind of this, like uh, people who like get off on being needed people around them, Like I think the Amber and Jack are both like that in a way that I feel like in real life is so weird. Yeah yeah, where they're like, you know, I know that you funked up and I probably shouldn't forgive you, but I need to feel important, so I'm going to make this big show of forgiveness and then you're just like, this is not this is just gonna fault to ship again for sure. I don't know. I mean, most of the people in the movie have pretty severe emotional baggage. I mean, like we said before, one of the reasons that Dark leaves and like enters into this this enterprise is because his mom was HORRILYA is where you were going, I was gonna say horribly. He was very emotionally verbally abusive. Okay, daddy, market mark kiss, Yeah, daddy, I have to I'm just cock daddy. I'm not too directed by Joel made. We're going to kill kill herself. I'm gonna flip a table. Yeah, his mom was very emotionally and verbally abusive, and you know, he hadn't so he had to leave. And so, like, I mean, we don't know a lot of other people's stories or any really, but we can kind of imagine that they all have a lot of emotional baggage. That except Cosmo, the Chinese boy who throws fireworks, she who is the true hero of the tale. Oh man, that scene is God, It's just one hard scene to watch after another. That scene is not hard to watch. That scene is the easiest scene to watch. That scene is such a payoff after so much brutal, fucking awful ship. It's just funny. It's funny, but I mean with the firecrackers going off, Yeah, it's start a lot. That's startling. And I love how they're so jumpy. It's just the most tense. Yeah, it is literally hard to watch in that there's booms and bangs throughout it, but it's not hard to watch like emotionally sure y yeah exactly, but yeah, that seems so funny. And Tom Jane, what a performance by Tom Jane. The dancer, the strip, the stripping, the stripper who comes in and ruins the heist at the end, who's Red's friend? But yeah, Tom Jane kills it as the Chippendal's dancer turned coke at it turned guy who introduces them all to Crystal meth. Uh, and I love watching his car, Like as soon as Tom Jane introduces them to Crystal meth, then you just the next time you see uh, Dirk Diggler's car, it looks like absolute shit, like you're out all the coke. His car looks fine. But then the minute he was like because that was also the first time that he was a dick to roller Girl was when Tom ja was like, careful to only do bumps. This is crystal and and fucking Dirk Tiggers like like he just takes a whole rail. And then roller girl comes in. She's like, how are you and he's like whatever, Yeah it is. I was impressed with how long Dirk Diggler is decent to people in this movie. He pretty far like Pique Philip Syemore homing like I'm so dummy, but I'm so horny. That's every Philip sye Ar hoping character ever, but Mark, and Mark handles it rather well and he's like no, but I love you yes, and then and then he leaves and it was like, oh, what a sweet little buff teenager. Yeah, he was such a sweet teen meat, sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef, sweet teen beef. Daddy's out there hogs out baby that sweet teens of consenting ages. Of course, without that hog. That's why I say in public at night, whoa. My phone just buzzed and said time for bed. Look, it's a time for bed. Can do that. You gotta go to sleep. Now. You talk too much about tea and beef, typer bed bed? Well, does anyone have any else do you you want to say about the movie, is that twenty minutes ago? Uh, Alphad Mallina steals a scene. Oh god, the one scene, the only scene that matter. If that movie was just that scene, I'd love it just as much. I would like to draw out the comparison of Alphad Mellina's scene Steeler in Boogie Nights to Christopher Waltkin scene Steeler and Jeelie, which is another movie done on that Uh that Klein gets upset just thinking about. I'm furious right now, you're driving me to vape. I'm sorry. It's a really good scene. Christopher Walkin clearly has food he brought from craft services and has it in the scene the whole time. We could hear you vaping, Oh my god, trying to do it as audibly as possible, because I do not care all about this story, what allowed vape, of the homes of vaping? Should we should we rate the movie? Yes? Okay? What's your scale? Oh? Zero to five? Nipples and nipples being great? Five nipples is the highest score. Nipples are good. You got to describe them. Okay, So you guys go first, or do you want me to go first? You go last? You're a man, put your muzzle back on. Shut up a second. But now I'm okay. Oh no, he's making too much control. He's in the main frame. See everything, numbers are colored. Did you give it though? Man? Again, I this movie is it's hard. It's a little muppet noise. I mean, I guess three and a half again. It's a movie about people working in porn, which again is an industry that revolves almost entirely around objectifying people. Although I think there may maybe some recent developments in the porn industry where people are kind of like taking back power and like this is porn for women and buy women and it's not so horrible. Yeah, because it's everyone's gonna come all the time. You're never going to stop people from coming. You could just stop the people from getting hurt to make other people come. Please stop reading my uncle's tombstones. Incredibly triggering, unbelievable. I guess r I p Uncle Louis, we miss you. I'm down here in hell. Let me tell you I'm great in my hog gripped off every day. It's a dream hog rip off. Oh, it's so good. Who there's so many different versions of heaven. You know, coal is getting his dick ripped off every day. Hey, he should call that the doctor who gave birth to you twice because he did a penis transplant. We should add that to the list. Was I born in mate or au guess, we don't know. I'd say like three and a half. Again, good points were made, but I still wanted to see women have I just wanted to see them be more ambitious or have like more clearly defined desires that were a bit more cauthartic, because we see like the men I got my got my stereo store now, or I'm a performing magician, and then like the women are just like, well, I kind of I don't really do anything but um, for a movie that could have treated the female characters in it very poorly, it didn't. And it even addressed like violence towards women in porn. So I think overall it did a pretty good job hub, but I still have some some complaints about it, some notes, some com plaints. I'm gonna give it three and a half as well. I think that's good, uh, for all the reasons you said. And also there are some scenes where it's like we're using naked ladies as set dressing. In this scene maybe a little bit. Um we do. They also linger on roller girl roller skating around like pretty much looking at yeah, yeah, yeah, we see that a bunch. Yeah that's true. Um so I'll give it three and a half as well, And I give two nipples too hard troubled nipples to cut daddy, give one leaky faucett nipple to horny mommy, and give a half nipple to the perfect who got beat up in jail. This is a five nip. This is a five thousand, six hundred nipples. This is a five an effort for me, defend yourself, defend your nip choice. I mean, it's my favorite movie. It takes it takes a it takes a subject that is I mean, this was like eight heggs in a duffel bag and like, you know whatever, like those like let's go kill a stripper, Like there was nothing at all about the adult industry that treated any of them like the human beings that they are. And it also was like the soundtrack was phenomenal. The movie was just like I just thought that the most complex characters in the movie were The most complex character in the movie to me was Amber. You know, everybody else was pretty straightforward and Julianne Moore's performance at Amber or as Amber like I fell in love with when I was fifteen years old, Like I wanted her to be my horny mommy. Uh and I just like couldn't handle it. It's like her performance. I think it's one of the most like emotionally complex and like she's so much more developed than every other man. Every man because they have their their wants and needs are so distinct and often so external. Are they delusional? Also delusional? She just seems I don't know, she's the anchor of that movie. She's the glue of the movie. She's the jizz that glues the pages shut in the script of that movie. I love her, and I also like watching brother Girls stomp the ship out of that fucking asshole that ruled I don't know, I mean, I totally understand your three and a half nips and uh as a as a boy, as a boy toy, as as OOPSI otter. I am allowing myself the privilege to not get triggered, prav I'm using my priv and everybody's just themselves and like going through everybody, male and female are just constantly playing at their looks like that's a super underrated part of the movie is that constantly everybody's playing with their luck and cheetles like Rick James I it finally takes off that stupid wig and just gets honest. Yeah, and then they about Sunrise. They better than Sunset. Yeah, it's like the cutest thing. And then they have a baby and they are actually in love. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. I thought it was super uplifting. And again the score is amazing. Dummies fall in love and that's what that was like the best scene of like you like the sunset, like the sunset, but my god, but Sunrise it's better. It's just good. Oh yeah, I feel the same one. I thought, yeah, this nice. So I was like. My other favorite moment from the movie is when I think it's William H. Mazie is talking to I want to say, like the d P and they're talking about the movie that they're supposed to shoot in a couple of days, and they're like, well, is there even a script? And they're like, I don't know, Like they clearly just make up the scenes as they go. Story doesn't matter, and they're just fine with it. Well, there's a line that I also whenever I make a thing, like my friends and I make a thing, uh, we always say like when we're lighting and their shadows shadows in life, Dude, like this that's just like, yeah, why are we gonna light this? It's there's shadows in life, Like that's their whole. That's like a production mentality. It's their shadows of life. Yeah, that's the name of my new email band. All right. I like sweet teen Beef is my like fucking room room or cycle music. I was getting robed. Everybody's just getting rubbed. Genderless rubub, non battery robe, sweet teen beef. Yeah, you just had that tag it. Uh. So my nips belong to Cosmo. Two of them belong to Cosmo the Chinese because there those of firecracker nips. He's also wearing a Rick Springfield shirt while Jesse Girl plays They Love Jesse's Girl. Um, two of my nips have to go to Julian Moore's perfect pink naps. Is that you've mentioned perfect? So I got one and a half more nips. One of those nips is the one that's poking out of Scottie's tank top, uh when his arms are crossed, and the half nip. That's my man, Louise. Are you giving the movie five and a half five and a half nicks because Luis Gooseman puts it over the top. You can't deny those nips. So you can't deny those Gooseman nips. Great. I feel good about all of our choices here today. We didn't. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here, Thank you so much. Hey, where can people find you online? You can find me at Twitter dot com, backslash, help me at shut up androwsky. Yeah, you're gonna read it. You're looking at it. Fans want to know where'd you get that horrible vapeur colisl Let's burn it down. 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