LV-KC MNF Recap + Gregg's Top 6 Tight Ends in the NFL (with Steve Palazzolo)

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Speaker 1: The Homes over the middle Passcort Kelsey touch draft, He's got another touchdown, Kelsey looking for his third, he get touched off and zold he's got another four on the night Car Adams down field, he's got a touchdown Las Vegas. The hand to Jacobs and he's no simnal. They didn't get it, and the Chiefs still lead by one. Car receiver falls down, there are no flags and the Chiefs will take over. And when this came there a Raiders fan, sometimes you gotta laugh just to stop from crying. Hunter Renfro and Davante Adams run into each other on the final offensive play for the Raiders of the game was fourth and one. The chief come away with the victory thirty to twenty nine. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm year in the NFL media newsroom, annoying the hell out of people still working here tonight, but our studio isn't working and I'm glad joining me remotely Steve Palazolo from PFF, the host of the PF podcast and uh, the tallest man I know. Steve, Welcome to the show. We got a good game to talk about. Oh yeah, fantastic appreciated. Greg always Uh, you're you're like a legend on our podcast. So always always good too. I wish you did. You did throw my name out there a couple of times, just in terms of my geno love. I guess the Gino thing has been great for the brand. I also pointed out before this week that Travis Kelsey would do something good this week. I was really out on a limb and it happened in this game. Uh, four touchdowns. You're on the East coast, Steve, so you know you're in Cincinnati, which is a special place for hear us on the podcast. So I don't want to keep you up too late. Let's get to it. Let's start at the end with that last sequence of plays for the Raiders. They get the ball back with a little over two minutes ago, down by one point, I think around the ten yard line. All they need is to set up a field goal to go win. They get into a third and one situation still with plenty of time incomplete the Davante Adams he can't get his feet and bounds before he uh you know, brings the ball in really on him and then fourth in one, Like, what did you think of that ending sequence? What did you think of the play calls, like, what are you thinking. I don't even know. I don't know how you guys record, like right after a game, because I need to digest all, especially this type of game. But I thought when they went under center, I was thinking quick QB. There had no time out. I was thinking quick QB, sneak and then run up and spike it. Maybe run up, you know, grab a play because you're really only looking for ten to fifteen yards. And then the Raiders, they pulled out the first play with their first fourth and one play, they say, hey, it worked in the first quarter, let's do it here and let's go for the whole thing. They didn't need to hit a home run, but they went for it. That part that parts risky, I mean, especially with Daniel carl Carlson. Like if you're the Chiefs with your uneven kicker situation, I think you're playing it differently. But the way Carlson's kicking the ball, man, I don't know. I would have just try to pick up that first down. But hey, I like the Rangers aggressive this overall. I liked them and them being aggressive. You're absolutely right, we'll get to that is one of the reasons they were in this game, and I liked being aggressive on third and one. You know, I'm watching the game, thinking, oh, this is a great spot. They just set up a second and one after a nice throw to Renfro. At that point, there's fifty one seconds left, and that's a nice play to take a shot. You might get more favorable coverage on that third down, and they did. Davante Adams smokes his receiver car gives him a beautiful ball, and and that's what's the killer thing. Sometimes it's like, as a fan or as just an analyst, you like want someone to blame, but it's stupid. I mean, it was a perfect play called. Adams makes that catch cleanly on the sidelines most of the time, and they would have been field goal range right there. But when you get to fourth and one, to me, we've seen this all over the NFL, and Andy Reid does it successfully, It's like no one wants to run on fourth and one. But this was a great Josh Jacob's game, and I was just hoping, you know, just having j Jacob's all night hand the ball off the dush Jacobs get the first down and then on your way. You still have about forty seconds to go, they did have enough time to run the ball. And I really think every team we saw the Eagles, you know, with the million QB sneaks, We've seen Jacoby Brissett become a QB sneak specialist when he's the backup and and just as much as a starter. I think every team should have the QB sneak package and then a lot of what the Patriots have done through the years, where it's like, all right, if they do stack to a gaps, you get that little outside zone run where you're you're just out gaping, like you should be able to out gap the defense with a QB sneak run left, run right on every single fourth and one now fourth and you know, a long wall and you could have done a hurry up. The Eagles did a great job doing that on Sunday. Yeah, look, I mean it. I joke that, like you could just call better place. It's easy when we're sitting watching, but there there are probably like is there going to be an advantage at some point in the NFL if teams are going for it on fourth down this much? Can some teams just be better in those situations? Will Will they just always can they find a schematic advantage, Can they find something that will raise them because we always talk about the percentages of if you go for it and what's gonna happen if you get it if you don't, But what if you could increase your odds just a little bit when you go for it? And I think that's what I don't know if there's an edge there. It's it's kind of like, let's be good in the red zone, right, It's like running the ball basically, and I think a lot of teams are doing that this year, the teams that are are finding advantages. It was such a heartbreaking way to lose, though, because to back up a minute, that the Raiders had a seventeen nothing lead in this game, uh they give it up the chart, they go for a two point conversion down uh or down thirty to nine with four to go, a decision I really liked for a lot of reasons. They didn't get it, so they're down one point, but they actually get the ball back. And I just the way this Raiders season has gone with some brootal losses. All four of their losses have been close that the Cardinals loss in this loss were crazy It just felt sometimes like you gotta know what you're good at. And man, they've really, i think developed already into a pretty good run blocking team despite having a ragtag group of blockers. They were putting six offensive linemen on the field tonight and they were running the ball really well. Josh Jacobs ends up with a hundred and fifty four in the ground, thirty nine through the air. He's awesome, and they went away from at the last second and they don't get that win an arrowhead. That just felt like it was there, like this is their their white whale is beating Patrick Mahomes. If you're Derek Carr and now he's lost eight of nine career games too. I mean, isn't it. You just need everything to go right to beat the Chiefs. I mean, you look at the start that the Raiders had, being up seventeen. Nothing like you said. It felt like Josh McDaniels dusted off the two thousand eighteen a f C Championship. It was a different team, but it was against the Chiefs. Right, um, having a fullback running power running play action off of You've got the same fullback, the same idea, except you threw an extra offensive lineman in there, and again you've got that early aggressiveness. They go forward at fourth and one, hit the bomb to Davante Adams for a fifty eight yard or But everything has to go right against the Chiefs. You go from, hey, we're running the ball, we're hitting some big plays, we're rushing the Mahomes and pressuring him, and still didn't matter. They still find a way the Chiefs to to, you know, just ad just enough and just be special enough between Mahomes and Kelsey and some of their other guys, and they well, they shortened the game too. Like the I never buy into the shortened the game thing unless you're really works well, unless you're really in year ear, and it's sort of like a way that like, if you don't have a lot of talent, I like the idea of having Don Martindale as your defensive coordinator because you're almost like a college team trying to scheme above your talent level. Shortening the game is sort of a different way to do that. But even though they shortened this game, there's only about eight or nine possessions for for each team. Their defense stopped getting stops after the first three possessions. The Chiefs until that final punt went touchdown, field goal, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. So yes, you had shortened the game, but the Chiefs still ended up with way more plays, uh, and they still ended up with thirty points despite having only eight or nine possessions. And that's why I want The next thing I want to ask is just like, kind of where you see Mahomes in this offense right now, because there was a period of this game where he felt like he could do anything. He's really doing a good job moving outside the pocket when he needs to staying inside it. He picked up rushing yards when he moved. It seems like the game is moving very slow for and at a certain point in this game, it felt like he could do just about anything and that they weren't going to get any more stops. And that felt like last week. It felt like Week one. It felt like the Chiefs of Yeah, I mean, the big question coming into the season was how how much are they gonna miss Tyreek Hill? Because we've seen I mean, Tyreek Hill is still a special player. But one of the questions on top of that was wasn't going to change the way Mahomes played? Was he going to rely less on the two guys, and we see that right, it's Velde one drive, it's Velde scantling. You see Juju, you see uh Mikole Hardman and Kelsea's obviously the guy at all points, you know, like Aikman was saying, whether it's zoned, whether it's man, it doesn't really matter, like that guy can get open. There was a point where the Raiders not in the red zone, mind you, but there was a point in the Raiders on third and fifteen put two guys on Travis Kelsey. Third and fifteen, they got Cleveland Ferrell trying to press him at the line with another defender there. Of course it's illegal hands to the face. So that's a great play to point out. Not only did they have to analyze Kelsey to take him out of the play, but they hit that third and fifteen with like the hit was that the ridiculous Was that a kind of the side arm up the middle. I'm losing track of the ridiculous Mahomes plays in this game, but that was the thing. Even when they would get sacks and penalties against them, they were getting out of the long yardage situations, which is very chief seat. Yeah, I mean if you're if you're a Raiders fan, anytime you're going up against Mahomes, it's like you're you're looking for any kind of win. Oh you got, you finally got a sack. I mean, there's nobody in the NFL better at avoiding sacks than Patrick Mahomes. Now he invites pressure himself, but he knows how to maneuver the pocket. He knows how to get out of the pocket. I think with the way you described it was great. Any time an edge defender will stunt, he'll get outside the pocket. Right. He's just got a such good feel spatial awareness, which and and I like the fact that he spread on the ball around and he's not just it's not a three man game anymore. There's Kelsey who's your go to. But you got these other guys ma Homes doing a great job throwing the ball accurately, and he he was unstoppable in the middle of that game. I mean, Kelsey had the fourth the fewest yardag in this game. He had a truly amazing stat line. Seven catches, twenty five yards, four touchdowns, two of those were one yard touchdowns. This was the Bubba Franks special. I don't know if you remember, like there was a time in fantasy football where Bubba Franks would get drafted maybe ninth, even though you knew he wasn't going over two hundred yards on the season, because two hundred yards and like eight touchdowns was good enough for to be the ninth best tight end in like two thousand and six. I don't I don't want to hijack you with fantasy talk, but I did have Josh Jacobs, Travis Kelsey, and Davante Adams tonight. I wasn't even watching the score. I was like on down like fifty going into the game. I ended up winning by sixty or whatever. It was, So hey, big game for all those guys. That's a good job by you. I think you should mention it. I I mentioned on the podcast. We'll get to that a little later, um, that I expected something special at Travis Kelsey was so on a limb. I do want to mention for listeners, um, because I think Dan's mentioned it on the show. We're gonna get down to breaking down this game a little more. This game sometimes on these Monday nights, is only so much to talk about. I can talk about this game for a long time, but I do want to point out right now we have the biggest gap um in height in terms of an NFL podcast in history. You were listed on your baseball reference page, and so I'm going by the facts. I don't know if this is right. At six ten you were a minor league um relief pitcher. Made it up to triple A. I'm five six if you round up. I know your co host on PFF says, like everyone thinks he's like this little midget um because he's always next to you. And when he says that, it hurts my feelings because I am that little midget, you know, I really am that short. So the two of us together, it would be unstoppable. Yeah, we gotta do these. Uh, we gotta get in person here at the combine and really, you know, really make you the record official for sure? Is it an annoying to you that just like it doesn't help you at all in this format that it's the it's a great equalizer, like, um, your height is doing nothing for you right now, just sitting here on my chair, you know, I know, the one like this isn't even your job. You're up at midnight right now helping me out. What did you think of the Andy Reid punt fourth and three, Uh, three minutes to go. I believe I'm going to get the exact time right here. It was, uh, fourth and three. They had just set up a second and three. Felt like the game was about to end. Steve Uh. The Raiders take their second time out. At that point, it's to forty. The Raiders hadn't had a stop in forever. Um. Andy Reid, being the genius that he is, like breaks out his sky More package with the game on the line, like out of nowhere. He just has different sky More swing passes that are working like a charm to get eight yards at a time. Edwards Hilaire's the ball, Well, they basically need three yards in the game is almost over, but Devon Dieblo makes a great tackle on second down and then they go for a deep shot to McCole Hardman, which hasn't worked all all season. Hardman never seems to run the right routes. I like to blame him, not mahomes Uh. And they at that point have two minutes in thirty six seconds left at the Vaguas forty six. So we've seen a lot of aggressive fourth down cause lately, Uh Andy Reid chooses to punt there. What did you think? I didn't hate the punts on fourth and three. I I saw some model. I don't know what the PF model would have had. I don't have it up during the game. I'm not that into it, but I saw some models that had like a strong, strong go for the Chiefs. I don't know if it's that strong, but look, the models basically factor in how easy it is to move the ball thirty or forty yards in today's NFL. Now maybe this year offense is down a little bit, maybe it's a little bit more difficult, but it factors in being able to move the ball. So that's why, Well, it's funny they actually got back to that exact yard line that's where they stopped. Was they get back there with fifty one seconds to go, which is not really a trade off you would want if you're a Chiefs fan. No, you wouldn't. I mean that, that's that's the thing, right, Like nobody I know Brandon Staley went for it yesterday and it was fourth and one and a half to whatever it was. I'm intrigued by that though, right you are one play away from winning. This was the New England Patriots two thousand nine, Bill Belichick against Peyton Manning, and the explanation was, we were afraid of Peyton Manning. Right, we haven't stopped him all day. But I really think there's there's something attractive about being one play away from victory, right, Like I think people under rate being one play away from the win versus ten to fifteen plays to, you know, to steal the win. Yeah, And it wasn't surprising either because as as aggressive as Andy Reid is and coming up with all these plays in the red zone, and they did a great job. Like sometimes I just want them to run the ball up the middle on a one yard run because that's a percentage play too, and you should you need to be good at that at some point in the NFL season, And yet tonight they absolutely refused to and they made the right call every time they like I had a wide open receiver. So it's it's hard to really blame me and to read, but fundamentally he's kind of conservative. He's still an old school coach, even though he's aggressive in terms of his play call. It didn't surprise me that he punted there, and it didn't surprise me that the Raiders got back in position. Davante Adams ends up with a weird stat line two three two touchdowns and he drew two long pass interferences. Steve Spagnolo like came out aggressive. It was not working, But when it came down to Steve on that final fourth down play, that kind of the thing thing I love about Spags. It's like how many rushers did he send there? It was at least six, it might have been seven, So I don't know, like if a run up the middle would have worked there either, there was a lot of bodies coming, like if you had like like it sounds great, yeah, run it up the middle, like a toss to the left would have maybe won the Madden play and you end up running thirty yards down the sideline. But like, this isn't madded. You don't you don't get to find out what the call is ahead of time. But that was very andy read all night and very Steve Spagnola. Yeah, I don't know if it was I don't know if he was trying to blitz, you know, for the past. I really think it looks like guys were creeping to to take away the QB sneak to take away the you know, Josh Jacobs right up the middle. But yeah, they were they were aggressive and the Raiders were aggressive back, and you know makes for It was kind of a it's batic ending. It's just like I know, it was embarrassing. It was such an anti climactic again and to one of the best games of the year. I think this was a really exciting game. It had a little bit of everything, including controversy. Um let's get to the Chris Jones called I know everyone is fired up about that. I get it. Chris Jones called for a roughing the passer on a play that he forced the fumble. Did something I've never really seen in that, you know, he knocked the ball out and then possessed the ball almost simultaneously. He didn't take the ball, It just sort of bounced, you know, it just immediately was in his possession and before he even landed on Mahomes, he had the ball and they called roughing the passer. And I think it was full body weight on the quarterback was the explanation. Of course, he was sacking car not Mahomes. Uh. That ends up giving the ball or allowing the Raiders to keep the ball. They end up getting a field goal out of the situation, and people lost their minds, like bad calls are going to happen. There's been a few of these. This wasn't as bad as the Tom Brady call on Sunday, but it was close, Like like, what do you think realistically we can do here? I guess would be my question. There's you have somebody in their ear. I mean there is someone in their ear, and there's enough time for them to review that, Like there was enough time yesterday to say Tom Brady was not maliciously thrown to the ground. He was tackled. I mean he was tackled the same way too, was tackled the same way. Mahomes was tackled tonight, same way the car was. I mean it was in a different way, but that was it was a clean play by Jones. It didn't even feel like the body weight thing because he put his arm down and write what else can you do? And I don't even know how defenders, Like how do you, you know, change the laws of gravity? Like when you're tackling someone to roll off of them, they're being taught to try to like roll off there actually doing a pretty good job, you know, The only thing is they actually have learned to pretty much avoid those types of plays. But it was like the angle that the ref saw. I think if he sawed it from a different angle, he wouldn't have called it. And it was just a bad call. That was the old Tony Saragosa play against rich Gannon, right, Like Sarah Goosa just went like full body splash on rich Gannon in the a f C Championship and knocked him out and the Ravens go to the Super Bowl. But in this one, it's like Jones is, like you're saying, in the middle of stripping the ball, he puts his other hand down and yes, some weight went on Derek Carr like that. That was inevitable because he stripped it. That was one of the best defensive plays of the year, and it would have I mean, look, the Chiefs ended up winning anyway. It was it was. It was in the middle of turning things around for the Chiefs. But it was an incredible play and yeah, pretty bad call. Yeah, if Chris Jones had been on the wrong side of two of the most insane calls of the year that cost the Chiefs their two losses, that would have been interesting. I don't know if it was a ball don't lie situation, but the Raiders, you know, ended up kicking the field goal there. They got a little conservative a couple of times. They kicked the field goal on the fourth and one. They also set up a field goal with like a draw on third and eight. At one point, after being aggressive, they were almost playing for three, which I didn't love, and the Chiefs got a quick three back despite only having thirty or forty seconds, which ended up being a big sequence. And and I'm on Twitter. I'm doing this Channel five coverage in the UK from Monday Football, and I see how just people are mad because it's like it's no longer football anymore. That's what Tony Dundee said. And Troy Aikman is making like take off the dresses and stuff, and I get that, and the and the and the emphasis is is is there to protect the quarterbacks? I just think if if there's someone in someone's ear to change these calls on the field in terms of in or out of bounds that quickly, and they're doing it a lot. They're doing it a lot more than they even announced, Like why can't you just do that those calls? I just feel like that's the next step because they're gonna keep making mistake. The people get so mad at the refs. After watching a couple of games on the sidelines, I'm amazed any calls ever so fast. People don't realize how, Like high school games look fast to me. NFL games are so fast. It is so difficult. Three or four major errors in every game, and he's the best of what he did. Like, the refs are going to mess up calls, especially these calls what they're being asked to do. So it's like, how can we fix that? I don't know it's I mean, if if the ref throws a flag, I think I saw something and somebody's just in his ear, and like I would do it for everything, Like is that a pick play? The number of times that they mean Chris Jones got held on a call later pretty blatant. Hold there's a pick play? Like pick plays are just a guessing game. Did you run around, did you fake it enough? Did you act enough? Oh this is a pick. This isn't a pick. And then the roughing the passer. I mean, if they just throw the flag, I think I saw it. Wait ten seconds, Uh no, I can't really do much about that. All right, pull up the pick the right people are gonna be that upset there. They're gonna say it's a Pandora's box and look at what happened with the past interference a couple of years ago, and you don't want to delay the game. And I guess I would say though they have the spotters there now at the game, they have the extra official up in the booth. They're pretty quick on some of these. And I don't know how you break it down, but I think they can. They can figure it out. But in the meantime, like everyone just take a deep breath, because this is going to keep happening like good entertaining game. But look, the big picture thing is we're also a weak removed from the toa concussion thing. And if you're gonna if you're gonna air on the side of caution because of you know, head injuries, that's I don't know, is that the worst thing in the world. It's of them with them not letting Teddy Bridgewater back into the game. Even though no one actually had a video of what happened. Someone saw what happened, and we've seen the players can convince themselves back into the game. This was a very different situation, and I think roughing the pastor is a very difficult one to to call because even that Tom Brady call, which was terrible, you can see in live speed how someone would make a mistake. And that's all. That's my only point is like mistakes will happen. Um. There was also a crazy penalty on the Chiefs. Chiefs had a missed field goal attempt. We never got a good replay of that. I don't they usually don't get those calls wrong, but it was it was a holding on special teams that led directly to seven points like there or whatever. That that drives me nuts in general, Like the five yard penalty that's the automatic first down. I know it's the rule defensive hold. I get why they have it, but defensive hold on a field goal like that was a game changer. Two that that was a total game changer because the Chiefs uh kicker what was his name right, matthew Wright had a wild up and down game, missed a couple of field goals, including that one that got pulled off the board, but also made a fifty nine yard or which is pretty amazing at the buzzer. Uh, this game had a little bit of everything, and I really feel for your Raiders Nation. You are the best one in four teamail league. I mean, I'm giving you that, they're like comparable to the Giants who have four and one. You're not what your record was. I don't care what Bill Parcels says. You are not what your record says. No. I think the Raiders have shown progress. I don't have like a lot of love for their defense, but they do have, you know, one of the three or four best edge rushers in the league, Max Crosby, who had another monster game. Chandler Jones is getting better. He's at least made an impact the last couple of weeks. I think there's close. There's so little difference between them and most of the three and two teams out there, and they have an easier part of the schedule coming up. But this was a heartbreaker because they could have gone into Thereby at two and three, which would have felt more fair, but especially especially with the win over the Chiefs. I don't know how much it takes for Derek Carr adjusting to the new system. Josh McDaniels runs completely different stuff from John Gruden, completely different terminology, we might be underrating the adjustment period maybe for cars, I think, and I think it's you can see it. I mentioned with the offensive line, this is a bad looking offensive line and paper, but they've they've gotten that Patriots running game going the last couple of weeks, and Josh Jacobs is an incredible player right now making people missing it. It's coming along, it's coming. I think Derek Carr looked more comfortable this week too. I just overall, it's coming along. But they're one in four. Um. Yeah, football is not fair. Genetics aren't fair. You know you got six ten, you know how good? Well, I don't know. Six ten might be too tough for tennis. Tennis was my thing. Actually, six tens way too tough for tennis. Yeah, you want to be six one, Like a ridiculous percentage of the greatest male tennis players of all time are between six oh and six too. It's like you don't want to be taller than that, you don't want to be short. Yeah, that was like I wanted to be a major league shortstop and then before you know, when I was way too tall for that. So I was like, I guess I'll pitch. I was, you know, a member of the Shield Softball team championship of two thousand and seventeen. So, um, you got to it was huge. Thank you for coming. Steve. You do a great job. I love the PFF podcast they have. They make our recap show look like, um, I don't know, like like an episode of the Office or something like your show goes what two and a half hours? Sometimes, like we go about two and a half hours on a Monday morning, and I feel like we leave a little bit. There's always a one fan basis, like you didn't talk about my team, but now you don't need that much on the bone. You and you and Sam you you eat that bone. But you did a great job. And you guys are great in terms of draft coverage too. I really love you guys are in draft season. Not that you aren't great all season long, but people should check out the PF podcast. Steve uh doing great work over there. And you you're like, I don't even know what you do. You're like an executive too, And then you're just like, you're like Andrew Hawkins, who just you know, like little articles in being the on air talent, but your actual job as being an executive. So you're a smart one. Thank you, Steve, appreciate it. Yeah, thanks, go to go to bed. Thanks for staying up with me. I'm gonna finish this show off, see you later, Steve with a top six tight end list, and I'm gonna welcome in Grave Digger. First, I want Justin for you to play the clip of like one of the boldest takes I've ever had on this podcast. This came on the Friday Fun Show. Everyone should be listening to this every week. Alright. My prediction is just that Travis Kelsey rex Shop against the Raiders. It's like all these other tight end come along lately. So Darren Waller is going to be the future. Oh, Kyle Pitts is going to be the future. Oh, Like, here's this guy, this guy who's still the best tight end in the freaking NFL. It's Travis Kelsey. He's on pace to have one of his very best seasons ever. Travis Kelsey. Still he's still got the championship. This was hero the week. He's the hero. He's the hero. Alright, Myra is just that Travis Kelsey Rex Shop against the Raiders. It's like all these other tight end come along lately. Anywhere you didn't help me out, Graver because you just put along the bottom. Travis Kelsey will be good. Well, you know what, I don't care. Maybe that sounded safe, but whatever, Travis Kelsey did something memorable tonight. You scored four touchdowns. I think you get full credit for that. That was an excellent prediction. You know. Part of it was I was thinking, maybe I'm gonna set up this Monday Night pod. I'm gonna finish every Monday Night pod now that we're back here in the States. I got my jet lag has gone with a top six list to wrap up every Monday night football recap. And I thought, tonight, with Travis Kelsey and Darren Waller playing, we're gonna do my top six tight ends in the NFL right now. This is like a power ranking. This is like the tight End Index. Maybe that'll be my new I P. You know. So it's just about where they are right now. It's not historically. It's who's the best tight ends in the league right now. So Darren Waller, you're not making it. You've had a sloppy year. He left today with a hamstring injury after about seven uh apps doesn't have a lot of production normally he would be on this list. Uh, there's other some other injured players that aren't gonna make it number six, And I'm throwing Taysom Hill because he qualifies there in uh fantasy leagues, So I don't know really what he is, but just Taysom Hill has made a massive difference on the Saints and it's a thin season right now among tight ends. I thought about Gerald Everett for this last spot, who's actually playing really well? Uh, number five, I am giving George Kittle a little bit of like historical love. He I know, he's had a slow start of the year coming off an injury, did lead the forty niners and targets and catches, so he gets kind of grandfathered in at number five just because he's George Kittle. Number four. David and Joku what a weird um contract that was graver in the off season. People are like, you're paying at David and Joku that money, And now look at David and Joku making plays each and every week. And I he has the reputation as a great blocker and went to PFF to check his blocking score. It's fantastic. Right now. You can make the case in Joku is the most complete tight end the NFL. How about that? Wow? And he's probably Cleveland's second best receiver right now. He's making big place each week. Number three is Dallas gott Are always been underrated. Dallas gott is averaging over ten yards after the catch for catch. That's ridiculous. And because I was like, is that a thing? I know it's a lot of tight end screens. But like Travis Kelsey, he is very good in terms of weaving in between defenders, knocking people over, always getting awesome x yards, really good hands, really good in the red zone. He's gotten better every season of his career. I've always liked Dallas Goddard. Now he's on pace to go over a thousand yards. He's incredible. He's still a tick behind Mark Andrews, who's the man who I who I think is kind of the Jenga piece other than Lamar Jackson on the Ravens offense. If they ever lost Mark Andrews, they would be in huge trouble. He's producing again. Uh. He'll have a drop or two, but he'll also have incredible catches. Uh, and so you'll take the drops. Uh. He's number two and then number one still still Kelsey. I mean I knew it coming into tonight. I feel the same way right now. He's not only are his hands good, and he's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer, I believe. And his yards after the catch on that like eight yard touchdown. He's so good at just having people bounce off him, but he understands leverage and zone defenses and him and my Home is just improvised in a way that even Gronk and Tom Brady never could because they weren't about that improvisational life. They were about reading the coverage the same like that Kelsey touchdown where he ran across and ended up beating those tackles, like that was not the play call. He runs across Knox the dude over, they lock eyes and they always just like figure out like when they play football. It's like it's like jazz music. Justin Graver. That's why he's the one. And he's not just good at weaving with like his eyes and his vision, but he's hard to bring down. He was stiff. He's stiff from two raiders to the turf on that him and it's like, oh, well, he's not dumb to a blocker A Um, he's fine. He gets the job done. Um. The variety with which they use him and and sometimes put him in line isn't enough. He gets in the way, and they the way they use all their tight ends are great. And uh, there was a moment last year I thought he was maybe starting to get a little older, and that moment has passed. He looks incredible this year and their offense is going to be just fine without Tyreek Hill. Thirty to twenty nine. Man, this was a long one, but it was a great game. I feel for the Raiders though I was pulling for them at the end like I usually just pulled for Mahomes. And by the end of that, you're just give the Raiders a little bone, alright, justin We'll be back on Tuesday with Dan and Mark. We're gonna talk a little frisky. We're gonna talk a little spicy. Until then, go ahead, need the call see a two day