How We Made Your Mother Meets World (PART 1)

00:00:20
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of surprised that I made it to the podcast this morning and it's only one room away. I'm surprised I've made it anywhere in the last four days because I've added an addition to my house that has been taking up.

00:00:36
Speaker 2: Are you talking about your batcave bathroom?

00:00:39
Speaker 1: Yes, I am, because I added something to it that takes it to a whole other level. What I've gotten my first ever smart toilet.

00:00:49
Speaker 3: The heck is a smart toilet jealous jealous and it opens up auto like when did you go?

00:01:00
Speaker 1: Oh, it like sprays out this like beautiful scent and it cleans itself. And the reason I'm amazed I made it this morning it has an automatic.

00:01:09
Speaker 4: Beday yes, yeah, yeah, which I've never used before.

00:01:13
Speaker 5: Which one did you get?

00:01:14
Speaker 4: We talked about this because you went shopping for them when you were doing the house renovation stuff. They were you said, there were Yeah, they were really expensive. You were not going to get them, but you must have found one that tickles your fancy price wise Yeah, literally.

00:01:26
Speaker 2: Fancy, Yes, thank yeah, it tickles his least chancy.

00:01:31
Speaker 6: Three words for you, Danielle.

00:01:33
Speaker 1: Costco great, So they had it for like an eighth of what it costs everywhere else.

00:01:40
Speaker 6: It's a Cohler. It's beautiful. I had it installed and I'm like, there's a remote.

00:01:45
Speaker 1: They got to put the remote up and you press a button and I'm like, all right, waiting to see oh.

00:01:49
Speaker 6: Like right up the old nether regions.

00:01:52
Speaker 1: Yes, it does have a seat heater too, uh tars asking there's a seat heater, a self cleaner, a front and back oscillating.

00:02:00
Speaker 4: Believe, hey, you saw how excited I got when we were on a plane talking about this. You saw how excited I got, And I almost purchased them online. Remember, I was like why right before we were taking off and you were like how much are those? I was like, I think they're like two thousand dollars each and I was like, man, that really is expensive.

00:02:16
Speaker 5: All right, I would need three, so that's six thousand dollars.

00:02:19
Speaker 4: Will It was like, you're the only person I know who can spend six thousand dollars on a on a taxi, take off on a plane, taking off on a ton because of course it's there was just too much money for toilets there at Costco.

00:02:31
Speaker 6: And I got it.

00:02:31
Speaker 1: I got it installed, and it is other than playing music and just telling me like, hey, you've lost some weight.

00:02:36
Speaker 6: It does everything else. It's awf it.

00:02:39
Speaker 7: Should just tell you that.

00:02:40
Speaker 6: It shouldn't.

00:02:41
Speaker 2: Wow, you lost some weight.

00:02:43
Speaker 7: Just left me.

00:02:47
Speaker 5: Wait did someone from Costco install it?

00:02:49
Speaker 1: No?

00:02:49
Speaker 6: No, no, I have I have a plumber.

00:02:51
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say his name because he's like a magical guy who doesn't charge much.

00:02:54
Speaker 6: But his name's Tom Tom.

00:02:55
Speaker 5: I know, I know, Tom Tom. You've stolen Tom from.

00:02:58
Speaker 6: You you have, so he came.

00:02:59
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing is you have to have a plug near your toilet, which I didn't, so I had to have my other guy, Henry, come in and put in a plug.

00:03:06
Speaker 6: The electrician come in and put in a plug. So it was it was a like a process.

00:03:10
Speaker 1: But oh what a process because we had an updated bathrooms in twenty some odd years, right, So to go from you know, steerage on the Titanic to first class on the Titanic was pretty wonderful. I don't know why I used that analogy because everyone ended up dead, but we Yeah, but it was much like life. It's been great. It's been, it's been. It's I was not expecting a stream of water on a bangball to do what it does. Yikes, it's uh, it's pretty ambasing.

00:03:41
Speaker 2: La la, I've said my phrase, got my I am part of this conversation.

00:03:51
Speaker 6: Mercy, so it's worth it.

00:03:53
Speaker 5: You watched Full House last night?

00:03:54
Speaker 6: Right again?

00:03:57
Speaker 7: Again?

00:03:57
Speaker 6: You're in?

00:03:58
Speaker 4: You're in?

00:03:59
Speaker 2: Yes, started we started like because it's always a battle. But what we're gonna watch, what movie we're gonna watch, whether we're gonna watch the TV show whatever. Indy is just a contrariant. I don't know where he gets this from. Guys, we'd no idea.

00:04:10
Speaker 6: That's so strange understanding.

00:04:13
Speaker 2: He's almost like ily created a system where he gets two votes. Alex and I each get a vote, and we put it in a hat and we draw what we're watching, and he, with both his votes put four house, just to piss me off. I and I we enjoyed it. Did you started the pilot? No, we just picked up from where we were watched. So we watched that Christmas episode, and we watched the one right after that the same night, and so the last night it watched the next three and the show is way better than that Christmas episode. The Christmas episode is hands down the worst one. Okay, the so much better but of the five, John Stamos is wonderful, really good at it.

00:04:55
Speaker 7: That's part of the show.

00:04:57
Speaker 2: Bob Saggat, I know he was a very funny person, you know, I met him a few times in life. Very funny. Not not very good on the show, just kind of standard like dorky guy, right, and Dave Coolier is goofy and all over it, you know. But like Stameles is amazing. Jody's so good show. Again, that's the first one that I saw of a part in the three we watched last night, and you I've missed her like the one we had watched the follows the Christmas episode was like her hula hooping and she's incredible, Like she's just so charming and funny and all the things. Yeah, I'm still very uncomfortable with the old it's not still and Indy just thinks it's hysterical, like when I explained to him what you had said Will about the cand the rattle of so that he just every time they're on the screen, Andy just loses it. Thinks it's hysterical, like give him a cookie, where's the eminem bag? Yeah, it's it's It still makes me uncomfortable, like the opening credits, and she's just like looking at the camera and like pointing out the helicopter following them. What this show is weird?

00:05:59
Speaker 1: He wasn't. That was see what if you followed her process as an actor at the time she was pointing out the Golden gate Bridge as the drove past it exactly.

00:06:08
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I started to I started to think, is the whole show from her POV? In other words, like, is reality morphed into a two year old's world view? And that's why people act the way they do. That's why situations working out the way they do.

00:06:22
Speaker 4: The theory about Boy Meets World is that it's from Cory's POV and when he's young, as brothers a god, and when he's older, his brother's a goof.

00:06:29
Speaker 2: Right, And so that's why full House opens the opening credits is always close up shot of her and then right, So it's like saying, this is the this is her memories that we're getting her like messed up version of reality that we're getting. And then I'm like, Okay, I can kind of hang with this. Like people are really big and over the top and make choices that make no connections.

00:06:51
Speaker 1: Well as we're also going back on this, this journey of not only rewatching our show, but watching episodes of other show. Sitcom was just big, especially the ones we're watching. I mean, Sitcom was just big.

00:07:03
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it was just it was like the point of every episode is almost like for family members to be able to wander in and out and like still.

00:07:12
Speaker 7: Get a laugh.

00:07:12
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean that just walk in It was dual screen. You just said a thing and then they were to go finish eating dinner or whatever. It's like, yeah, it's just the I mean, it's kind of the lowest common denominator, right. It was like, let's just create a situation where it's like recognizable family members and they just say funny stuff.

00:07:29
Speaker 8: Yep.

00:07:30
Speaker 2: And like the idea of nuance like you can't you can't have it because you only have twenty two minutes. You just want stock characters, you want predictable situations.

00:07:38
Speaker 7: Like everybody can.

00:07:39
Speaker 1: Argue that one of the reasons that our show has endured for so long is that we did have that nuance a lot of the time.

00:07:44
Speaker 2: Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean I think the best ones do right, or they managed to do both right, like the best shows managed to have Like that's why I think The Friends was so fun, is like everything was pretty big and over the top, but it was built out of characters that you believe, or it believed enough that you were like, oh, that situation is great, and so they could throw out one liners, they could be very big and obvious in some ways made me think about Seinfeld too, right, that those characters are ridiculous. It's not believable by any measure, but there's something nuanced about it. There's something, there's depth to it that's still so clever.

00:08:18
Speaker 1: I think you also, if we've always compared sitcom to a play in your home every week, and I think the thing that I sometimes struggle with I have to remind myself is that full House is a play for eight year olds. Friends is a play for twenty eight year olds exactly. So it's like they're two very different nights at the theater. But the great shows are the ones where the adults can go to the eight year old's play.

00:08:41
Speaker 6: And still have an awesome time.

00:08:42
Speaker 2: Right, And then there are some people like I think you're one of these people, Will my wife is one of these people. The second they see any play the actors the way the actors act, she just can't hang like She's just like, no, that's that's not the way people talk about like cla acting is just false to her, do you know what I mean?

00:08:58
Speaker 7: And I think I've.

00:08:59
Speaker 2: Always felt that way out sitcom acting, you know where it's like in theater. I'm okay with it because it's like we're in a big room and you got to be you know, there's something about the back of the room. I'm okay with it, especially with musicals, but like, yeah, with sitcom acting, I'm like, why, why why are you doing like don't don't don't don't talk like that.

00:09:17
Speaker 6: A sitcom musical, I don't mean a single episode.

00:09:21
Speaker 1: I mean like an actual sitcom that is also I know they did cop Rock cop Rock, and they do like Glee and cop Rock.

00:09:29
Speaker 2: I wasn't even a multi cam. I think that was single cam.

00:09:31
Speaker 7: It was.

00:09:32
Speaker 6: It was a single single cam too.

00:09:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were singing in the context. They weren't even singing like they were performing within the show, right the right They wouldn't break into song. They didn't, Okay, I didn't never see high school musical they did, right, they would just breaking a song in a private moment like the movie, right, But Glee it was all about the actual performances. So yeah, what about a sitcom.

00:09:56
Speaker 1: That's just I wonder if it's just too hard to have them all breaking in the song every sitcom episode.

00:10:02
Speaker 6: I mean, that must be multiple takes.

00:10:04
Speaker 9: But then you got to do that at the regularly.

00:10:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.

00:10:06
Speaker 8: You know what there was one guys, got my crazy ex girlfriend?

00:10:11
Speaker 2: Oh well, but that wasn't multicam. That was single cam.

00:10:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, single what's my crazy ex girlfriend? I don't think I know that one.

00:10:17
Speaker 7: Oh, it's a huge Rachel Bloom eight ten years ago.

00:10:20
Speaker 6: Oh and it was a musical.

00:10:22
Speaker 2: It was a musical single camera, and the whole idea was like it was she was chasing her ex boyfriend obsessively, so it was like you were in her imagination where there it's like a beautiful love story set to a musical.

00:10:34
Speaker 7: Oh wasn't it was?

00:10:36
Speaker 2: It was like she was delusional pilot Very good.

00:10:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, interesting, Okay, so I've using my bidet.

00:10:44
Speaker 5: And writers watching full house fun fact.

00:10:47
Speaker 2: Guys, you know squat toilets, which a huge part of the world uses.

00:10:52
Speaker 7: You don't get hemorrhids.

00:10:54
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, very much healthier for you.

00:10:56
Speaker 3: So we were get a squatty poty, were saying squatty puddings, right, yeah, parties, but your feet things, they can be comfortable.

00:11:03
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's a it curves around the bottom of the toilet and it's like a It puts you in the perfect position as if you were squatting to be able to go.

00:11:13
Speaker 2: No, but then you're being supported. That's the thing.

00:11:15
Speaker 5: Exactly, You're not actually squatting.

00:11:17
Speaker 2: They say the same things that we should squattually score you, we should actually squat it'd be it's good for us, you know, like taking a getting comfortable, taking your time reading, looking at your phone.

00:11:27
Speaker 6: Why. That's the other thing this smart toilet does. If you're on too long.

00:11:31
Speaker 1: It brings an alarm, no joke, wow, if they're sit for too long. If you sit for too long, it beeps an alarm, like hey, get you out of here.

00:11:40
Speaker 4: I'm going to buy one just now that I no matter what it could it could be thirty thousand dollars and I would buy one just to get Jensen out of the bathroom. We can be in the peak, dinner time, bedtime, Jensen. I'm going to run to the bathroom, and it's never less than forty minutes.

00:11:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Well he's got to send four hund in fifty texts.

00:12:01
Speaker 5: Four and fifty text He started posts to make.

00:12:04
Speaker 2: On my phone this morning. I was I was trying to record an audition with my wife, and my phone buzzed thirty times in my pocket, and I'm like, Jensen, I didn't even Jensen. I know it's Jensen and Will just one I'm trying to do an audition. My conversation, Oh, I know you were. I got to read it an hour later, scroll through the what did you just say? I think, hey, hold on, hold on, guys, that's my thing.

00:12:34
Speaker 6: Guys, guys.

00:12:36
Speaker 1: Texts hotel away changes the whole conversation when you realize both of us are on the toilet the whole.

00:12:41
Speaker 6: Time we were having the conversation.

00:12:43
Speaker 2: Next text, you won't believe this.

00:12:45
Speaker 5: Next text, I'm about just going to something.

00:12:48
Speaker 7: Next text.

00:12:48
Speaker 6: Now we're building the story.

00:12:50
Speaker 7: I answered the phone. Next text.

00:12:53
Speaker 2: I had no idea who was next.

00:12:54
Speaker 4: Text writer, and I send texts exactly the same way, just one long paragraph with our thoughts.

00:13:04
Speaker 2: Yes, but I literally start I know Jon, and then I am.

00:13:11
Speaker 4: Rider is typing, and I'll think we're never going to see.

00:13:14
Speaker 2: What this I just said. I just finally give up. I'm like, I can't because the conversation moved into four different directions I have now tried doing.

00:13:22
Speaker 6: You gotta be quick. You want to have conversations with us, You gotta be quick, my friend, then talk never never Wow.

00:13:28
Speaker 7: So you got to be day.

00:13:29
Speaker 9: He got to.

00:13:31
Speaker 2: Lovely.

00:13:32
Speaker 6: It's pretty wonderful. It's also got a button that can dry like.

00:13:36
Speaker 2: Forty minutes in an episode.

00:13:37
Speaker 7: We haven't even talked about it. You haven't even.

00:13:39
Speaker 6: Gotten into the fill House episode yet.

00:13:41
Speaker 2: Wild I'm Danielle of Fishal, I'm Rider Strong, and I'm on the toilet Wilfred Hill.

00:14:01
Speaker 4: When it comes to new rewatch podcast announcements, we are all ears. We know the journey they're about to take, the laughs, the tears, the weird feelings about haircuts from twenty years ago. It's like finding out someone you went to high school with is moving next door. And so when we heard about How We Made Your Mother, a show hosted by both the star and co creator of an iconic sitcom, How I Met your Mother, we put out the nice china and baked some cookies to welcome them to the neighborhood, and boy, have they delivered in spades. The TV show debuted in two thousand and five and ran for nine seasons, running through twenty fourteen and becoming one of the century's most successful sitcoms.

00:14:41
Speaker 5: Framed as a show set in twenty.

00:14:43
Speaker 4: Thirty, main character Ted Moseby recounts the meet cute with his eventual wife, all told to their children, Penny and Luke, creating a mystery as to who exactly their mother is and in the process maintaining laughs for almost a decade. The series finale was seen by over thirteen million viewers, and the show was nominated for a whopping twenty eight Emmy Awards. It would be difficult to visit the history of modern DAYTV without mentioning its existence. And now, as their retrospective podcast launches its second season, freshly signed to our pals the Office Ladies Network, they're experiencing feelings strikingly similar to ours and we wanted to talk about it. So this week on pod Meets World, it's sitcom Royalty and now adjacent podcast participants How I Met Your Mother co creator Craig Thomas and Ted Moseby himself Josh Radner.

00:15:42
Speaker 10: Hello, hey, well hello, hello, join, Hi guys, how are you?

00:15:49
Speaker 8: I'm doing okay, how are you guys? Craig Thomas should be joining us?

00:15:56
Speaker 7: Hey everybody?

00:15:57
Speaker 4: Great, Hi, I have to move my chat when out of the way. It was just blocking both of your face.

00:16:02
Speaker 7: And it's good. It's going to meet you guys.

00:16:05
Speaker 4: Welcome, nice to meet you. We are so happy you're joining us. When we see other people on a similar quest to what we're doing, it's like passing people on the way down Mount Everest and we want to talk to you about what is.

00:16:20
Speaker 1: What we've seen up top, you know, because most people die on the way down from.

00:16:28
Speaker 5: Maybe that's what I'm saying.

00:16:32
Speaker 8: So you just want to share some oxygen tanks on the way down and yeah, yeah, great.

00:16:38
Speaker 10: Yeah do it.

00:16:39
Speaker 9: You guys paved the way for this whole thing. You were so early to the rewatch party. You guys are like, we're the newbies, we're the rookies.

00:16:46
Speaker 7: Thank you guys for.

00:16:48
Speaker 4: And we all all of the paving to office ladies, so you know, they were they were the first, and then I think we were like the second.

00:16:57
Speaker 7: Right in there. I thought you were before them. Actually that's cool.

00:17:00
Speaker 6: In our minds, we were Craig, that's really all we read that.

00:17:04
Speaker 2: We did all the No, we had the idea before the Office Ladies, but we couldn't convince that unders We didn't know how to do it. We thought like we literally were like, oh, we'll release YouTube DVD commentary style tracks. It's like, oh, you hit play at home and then we'll talk, you know, quickly. That didn't work, and yeah, it was. It was hard to understand what this would be. Yeah, and now it's like a standard form.

00:17:28
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean it's been and here we are the billion one copying you and the Office Ladies. We're very like, what's the opposite of innovative?

00:17:35
Speaker 4: That's the innovation is not what sells it.

00:17:39
Speaker 5: It's chemistry.

00:17:40
Speaker 4: And we can talk about all that later, But what what made you to decide to embark on this journey twenty years after the show debuted?

00:17:49
Speaker 8: Well, for me, I think that the uh it started because I got married two years ago and thank you and my wife, Jordana is a is a big TV watcher. She watches a lot of TV. For some reason, she was writing the demographic to have seen and loved how I May. She never saw an episode. She'd never seen it, she didn't know anything about it. And this was when we were getting to know each other. This was actually a help, as you guys might know. You know, when you meet people who don't have a preconceipt, you can actually make a first impression.

00:18:24
Speaker 7: So it was great.

00:18:26
Speaker 8: And then one day I think, I don't remember exactly when, but we were in LA and she said, I would actually love to watch the show. I'd love to I want to see this huge chapter of your life that I didn't get to be with you for. And then I just had the idea because I don't see enough of Craig, and Craig has always been like a dear friend and I miss him, and you know, we would always have dinner. This is before I moved back to New York, but we would have dinner if we found each other in the same town. But I wanted like more Craig in my life, you know, so I reached out to him. I mean, this happened so quick. Jordana said, I want to watch the show. I called Craig. I said, my wife wants to see the show. Should we rewatch it together and do something a little more formal, and then we literally called our friend Alec lev who's a podcast producer whiz, and within like forty five minutes, we had this thing kind of cued up and ready to go, and we were you know, so I tend to trust the older I'm getting in this business, Like there's a kind of idea like things should be hard and you should work, but I actually really trust ease and flow and effortlessness. And this was one of those things that was just like so easy that it was like, well, we should probably do this. And every time we do an episode, I'm like, I can't believe this is like kind of a job now to sit around and talk about this thing that I am clearly like one of the world's leading experts in just by the fact that I was there, you know, like I don't have to do it done a research, Like I watched the episode, I take some notes and then we talk about it. And it's been a delight. It's been really cool.

00:19:57
Speaker 1: The notes will go away, The notes will go away, not even be taking that's a rookie, Yeah, I remember notes.

00:20:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, for two of the people on this podcast, the notes will go away.

00:20:10
Speaker 7: Oh rightsick exactly.

00:20:13
Speaker 1: The best thing writer and I ever did was sit down and go, let's put Danielle in charge. The best possible decision we ever made. It just made our lives so much easier.

00:20:23
Speaker 7: Was great.

00:20:25
Speaker 4: What about you, Craig when you got the call, did had you ever thought about doing? Like was this something you had thought about or was this literally like, wow, I had never thought about that.

00:20:34
Speaker 9: I had not thought about it. So much credit really goes to Jordana. Like Jordana and Josh's wife was like, I need to know this part of your life.

00:20:41
Speaker 7: And I love that it came from that.

00:20:42
Speaker 9: It came from this really pure place of like I married you, I want to know this thing you did for a decade of your life, right, And I so understand what Josh was saying that he was so happy that he met somebody who hadn't seen the show and had all this preconceived stuff. I see all of you nodding right now. All of you guys like must have had that thought in your life at different times, Like if I'm meeting somebody, are they thinking they already know me because they've seen me on TV for the better part of a decade.

00:21:08
Speaker 4: Or all three of us married somebody who had never seen the show.

00:21:12
Speaker 6: General.

00:21:13
Speaker 4: My husband had like maybe been aware of two episodes but was not did not watch the show.

00:21:20
Speaker 5: Will's wife Susan.

00:21:21
Speaker 1: Had never Yeah she did, she saw him all because So my stepdaughter was eleven when I met her, who's now you know, has my grandchild, so as is you know, much much older. It's been twenty five years. But she when she was eleven would run home and watch Boy Meets World. That I would cry when she would miss Boymets World. So no, with what you're saying, it's exactly having that into the show is exactly how we started.

00:21:42
Speaker 6: Because Ryder had never seen Boy Meets World. Yeah, yeah, so he was on.

00:21:46
Speaker 1: The show but never actually saw any of the episodes. So that was our same kind of thing. It was a singer conventions and riders like I should probably watch this show that I was.

00:21:53
Speaker 2: All the fans kept saying stuff to me or asking for quotes, and I was like, I have no idea what you're talking.

00:22:00
Speaker 7: I've been to me so much.

00:22:00
Speaker 8: People come up with a very specific gag or bit or line and I'm and I look at them like I wish I could participate in this. I just haven't seen this in twenty years if I even saw it to begin with, right, I will say that there's there's there's light and dark, There's there's ups and downs to everything. And one of the things I really loved about being on a show that had such a big global reach was it does make the world seem smaller in a really sweet way. Like I'm sure you guys have had the experience, like you go to a foreign country and you're like, what are we doing this foreign country? And they're like, come with us to a flamenco show people we know from TV, you know, and you're like, oh, this is like my face is like this weird social passport.

00:22:38
Speaker 3: You know.

00:22:38
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:22:38
Speaker 8: Yeah, But then when you're when you're talking about like being a life partner, it can get actually tricky if they think they're with a person that was on a character that is not you sure, it's really tricky.

00:22:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:22:51
Speaker 9: I find that fascinating. And it's interesting that you guys, right right, you have you had that too. I feel like you had an answer loaded up to where your partner had not seen the show ever.

00:22:59
Speaker 7: Either. I was who I needed her.

00:23:01
Speaker 2: I like, I couldn't date somebody if they were like a fan of Ian. Now's weird, honestly, like what it was just in my twenties, like the idea because like I met my wife when I was twenty six, like before that, if I met anybody, because I was only ten years out from the starting the show, Like it was just too close, Like I need so everybody I dated was older than me and had never heard a boy meet's world.

00:23:21
Speaker 7: It was. That's so funny and I totally get it.

00:23:24
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, that's really that's really interesting, and it's it is weird looking back on some on stuff we did twenty years ago. I can only imagine for you guys, since you started off as as kids and as teenagers and stuff.

00:23:33
Speaker 7: It's even that's a whole other layer.

00:23:34
Speaker 9: But Josh and I are looking back and some stuff we vividly remember, and some stuff we it's like this insane amnesia has happened. We were like, I forgot the entire BT story of that episode.

00:23:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's better than the A story.

00:23:45
Speaker 9: It's actually the best part of the episode is the thing.

00:23:47
Speaker 2: I forgot about and that chle Shane.

00:23:49
Speaker 1: Memories are the fun ones where one person will remember one thing which then leads you down a path of Oh my.

00:23:53
Speaker 2: God, I totally forgot about this.

00:23:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then next thing, you know, it's something that happened behind the scenes that nobody else would remember remember.

00:24:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are the best ones.

00:24:02
Speaker 8: Or you kind of I like get like when you get the story wrong, you're like, oh I remember it, and they're like no, no, no, that actually totally sourcing memory. It's cool to crowdsource memories because you're our own memories are so fallible, right, you know, I want.

00:24:14
Speaker 2: To I want to get into the weeds for a moment, Like, because you guys were a hybrid show, correct, Like you didn't shoot so did you not have an audience show at all?

00:24:22
Speaker 7: Never was we didn't have an audience show.

00:24:24
Speaker 2: So changed your experience of this because like for us, we still remember like tape night it was like a big deal. But so then what I would love to know what your actual schedule was, Like, do you still do like run throughs? You still had like a regular sitcom schedule outside of that, or.

00:24:39
Speaker 8: I feel like our schedule upsets other actors.

00:24:42
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what show. I can't wait.

00:24:45
Speaker 8: So you guys are probably a little so Monday, we'd come in around ten Craig for a table reading. Sitting around the table, writers gathered around, you know, the exact sent we'd go away. We'd go away at ten forty five eleven, go away for the rest of the day. Then not the right the writers would stick around notes.

00:25:05
Speaker 2: Oh, so you guys Monday was it was a day off after the table read.

00:25:09
Speaker 6: Yes, oh from the get go.

00:25:11
Speaker 7: Yeah, always always, but they were always there. We took the last.

00:25:14
Speaker 6: Two or three years we had the Friday off after table read.

00:25:17
Speaker 10: So that was your tape night was Tuesday, Thursday, Thursday, okay, okay, yeah, so Craig and the writers would stick around and then do a rewrite until and then we'd know how long the rewrite lasted based on when we got the script and in our email.

00:25:32
Speaker 8: And then we'd come in Tuesday around nine am. We'd read through the new draft. We'd rehearse Pam frime and our director would put it on a on its feet, and then around noon twelve thirty maybe we.

00:25:46
Speaker 9: Do like that, maybe one maybe one early yeah, yeah, we.

00:25:50
Speaker 8: Would just we would just rehearse for like two hours.

00:25:53
Speaker 2: We have school for three hours, so we had school for three hours. Yes, that's totally different day like our run through would be like we're people.

00:26:00
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm you're thirty. The school thing is.

00:26:03
Speaker 7: So much easier.

00:26:05
Speaker 8: Yeah.

00:26:07
Speaker 7: But then we would uh, then we'd go away.

00:26:11
Speaker 8: We'd go I was getting my PhD at the time. We would go away until until the next day, and then Craig and the writers would then stay work.

00:26:20
Speaker 7: All night, work all night.

00:26:21
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and then we would tape. We would block and shoot Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. But you obviously didn't have to be there, like if there was a big you know, let's say New York shoot that you weren't in, you would go home. So and then did you guys do three weeks on one week off?

00:26:37
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

00:26:38
Speaker 2: Mean you had three days of taping.

00:26:40
Speaker 7: We did three days of you didn't have a second.

00:26:42
Speaker 5: Run, one day of rehearsal.

00:26:44
Speaker 8: Yeah, one day rehearsal on three day taping.

00:26:46
Speaker 7: Yeah.

00:26:46
Speaker 6: Right from the start. It didn't like work your way into that. That was right from the start.

00:26:50
Speaker 7: That's what that was.

00:26:51
Speaker 9: Wow, we were such Carter Bays and I my my the co creative to show my writing partner. We we didn't know what we were doing on such a profound level. We were like twenty nine, and when we wrote this script, we had never written for a multi camera show. We'd written for like late night comedy and animation and singlem We were these We were complete rookies to it. And you wrote this pilot that had like seventy scenes in twenty one minutes, and our producer had to sit us down and explain to us like how the laws of time and physics.

00:27:17
Speaker 2: Were, and I'm like, oh, so time just moves forward.

00:27:23
Speaker 9: You can't hit Paul okay, great, And there's no audience show when you have when you want to shoot seventy freaking scenes.

00:27:29
Speaker 8: There's not enough candy to keep an audience.

00:27:32
Speaker 7: Wait for thirty day pease.

00:27:34
Speaker 1: I know you have any of you ever done pure sitcom in front of an audience?

00:27:38
Speaker 6: Like, can you compare it to what you did?

00:27:40
Speaker 9: Josh has done a lot of theater, but it's but yeah, I don't know.

00:27:44
Speaker 8: Very very first, I think I got my sag card on this Jim Gaffigan Christine Baranski show called Welcome to New York, and I got there and they cut my part, but they gave me like one line like I gave something to Eric Pogosian or something, you know, And I had one word, so I qualified to get my SAG cards, and there was an audience. There was you know, there was a tape night. I'm trying to remember. I don't think it's so weird to have been on this big iconic sitcom and not really have the experience that you guys have.

00:28:16
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's really weird.

00:28:17
Speaker 8: I've been to tapings of friends and stuff, so I not friends, but of friends, and I know, I know what that energy is like. And I know, like I've seen James Burrows off to the side, you know, snapping his fingers and doing all that stuff, and it's fascinating. It's just it wasn't my experience. It wasn't our experience of how we made our show.

00:28:36
Speaker 6: Oh what an interesting way to do it.

00:28:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it was.

00:28:39
Speaker 9: It was cool because our show is probably one of the more emo sitcoms, I know, like Your Guys is considered that too in a certain way. Like I I know that so many hoow I Met your Mother fans have a huge ven diagram overlap with Boy Meets World fans.

00:28:52
Speaker 7: I hear it a lot.

00:28:53
Speaker 9: It's in fact, like the main way I know Boymuts World is just how many Hemium fans have told me like, that's my other favorite show, which is cool. I feel like we're in a weird little club of like similar tones or like shows that really wore their heart on their sleeve and really meant something to their fans.

00:29:10
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like there's there's a cool overlap there.

00:29:12
Speaker 8: You know, there's there's also there's a case to be made that the sometimes for the for the big comedy moments, you would do it once the crew would laugh, yeah, and then no more like that was your.

00:29:25
Speaker 7: That was your one laugh moment.

00:29:26
Speaker 8: Yeah, because you know, sometimes they would throw in another line and it would get a laugh. But it was largely like you just had to trust your gut on the comedy. But because we had so many kind of like you know, serious heartfelt stuff. Yeah, not having an audience there was actually I think kept us really honest. I think kept us not grounded, not pushing grounded. So it was helpful in that regard.

00:29:49
Speaker 7: It was that was my point too.

00:29:50
Speaker 9: Yeah, it allowed us a kind of emotional side and like an authenticity to certain emotional like if we needed to play sadness, it wasn't like we got to get through just in a hurry. The people in the back row are starting to share among themselves, like, no, we we really leaned into those moments, and I think it really shaped the tone of the show in a cool way.

00:30:10
Speaker 7: For our show. Even though an audience are you.

00:30:12
Speaker 1: Are you trying to say there was no emotional depth to when my character sneezed the lottery?

00:30:21
Speaker 9: We did an incredible amount of stupid, asthetic Golden.

00:30:28
Speaker 1: I have to ask before we go any farther, just because Creig, you mentioned my my first love or one of my first loves, animation, I'm just curious what you wrote for in the animated world.

00:30:37
Speaker 9: Yeah, we were at Carter Carter and I were writing on American Dada. For the funny thing is we wrote on season one of American Dad as we wrote the pilot for How I Met Your Mother, and we left there and did ten years of how Much Mother and American Dad is still still going.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: I know, that's really weird.

00:30:53
Speaker 9: Yeah, so that was that was cool to get a taste of that. We got to do a bunch We've gone into a bunch of different kind of things, but the one thing we haven't done is the thing that How I Met Your Mother seems like it is when you watch it, which is an audience show.

00:31:05
Speaker 7: We're sort of this fraudulent audience show, right.

00:31:07
Speaker 9: We created to seem like an audience audience, audience audience show. Yeah, and it's it's funny how all of us did this thing for ten years that we didn't really do.

00:31:21
Speaker 7: It.

00:31:21
Speaker 1: There is something about being in front of an audience that I think also lends itself perfectly to a show for younger people where it's okay to be bigger and over the top, where maybe this the giant gags that you guys did might have been too big.

00:31:34
Speaker 6: If you were pushing in front of an audience.

00:31:36
Speaker 1: Right, So there was something where it's like you almost like you, like you were saying Josh, like you as actors as a company kind of kept yourselves in check as opposed to just having that audience.

00:31:46
Speaker 8: Although we had a funny talk on one of the episodes recently where Neil walks into the room, I think it's I think it's the top of season two, the first episode he walks into the apartment and he kind of glances at the fourth wall and it looks like he's waiting for entrance applause the audience, and so I said to Craig. This leads to a meta question. Was Barney the only character on How I Met Your Mother who knew he was in a sitcom?

00:32:12
Speaker 1: Ever?

00:32:12
Speaker 8: Thought they were like in some living life and he was in some some weird met universe.

00:32:18
Speaker 7: Pause.

00:32:22
Speaker 9: It's a great Barney character trait. He thinks he gets applause. He hears the clause.

00:32:26
Speaker 7: Everywhere he goes.

00:32:27
Speaker 2: I do every room I walk in, it really does. He has a laugh track constantly.

00:32:34
Speaker 9: I asked you guys a question about the audience show thing you guys were so young?

00:32:38
Speaker 7: Was it?

00:32:39
Speaker 9: Was it what percentage terrifying? What percentage exhilarating to know you were going to be thrown out in front of two hundred fifty people. However many people it was Thursday Night's barrel. You're barreling towards that Thursday Night. You're like a teenager with whatever you're dealing with in your life, and now it's like boom here you aren't from this audience. Was that like you come alive? Or was it terrifying?

00:32:58
Speaker 7: Like what?

00:32:59
Speaker 9: We don't know what that like?

00:33:00
Speaker 5: It was one hundred percent exhilaration.

00:33:02
Speaker 2: Exhilaration. There was you know, we we had each other's backs, like and we felt like the writers had our backs. Like there was a sense of like, we just can't wait to present this. Like by the time we got to the audience show, it was just like, let's get those laughs, and like the feeling.

00:33:16
Speaker 7: Was just pure.

00:33:17
Speaker 2: It was so fun.

00:33:17
Speaker 7: It was so fun.

00:33:18
Speaker 1: It was an audience of kids, right, So it's like it's it's a lot different when you've got especially when the show became popular and now they're waiting in line to come to the show and it's you know, three hundred and fourteen year olds, then you know that you're going to have I mean, it would start, we'd be backstage and our audience announcer would be warming everybody up and they'd be slamming.

00:33:38
Speaker 6: Their feet and copy and you could just feel the vibe.

00:33:41
Speaker 1: It was cool, Oh, we're about to hit the stage, and you just by the time you got out there, you were just like.

00:33:46
Speaker 8: A reason I had like one of those crag that we sometimes I mean, I think we talked about it early on. For the first three to five episodes, they would bring in an audience and they would show the of the show and they would they would grab the laughter.

00:34:04
Speaker 5: So it was real laughs, yeah, which was episodes.

00:34:09
Speaker 7: Then we started using I love.

00:34:11
Speaker 9: The machine, but grabbing the laughs makes us sound like freaking monsters.

00:34:21
Speaker 4: We were also those super well prepared. We had three full days of rehearsal from and and you know, two run throughs, one for just producers, one for the network, and then a full block and shoot day and then then the tape day.

00:34:38
Speaker 9: Were covens were a lot simpler.

00:34:42
Speaker 2: We did not have flashbacks flash forwards.

00:34:45
Speaker 8: You guys have on the block and shoot day, you actually grabbed the whole show, so you had it, No the.

00:34:50
Speaker 6: Whole show now sour swing set or something like that, a big gag piece or something like that.

00:34:56
Speaker 5: We would something that wasn't directly in front of the New York.

00:34:59
Speaker 7: Street and CBS there, you know, we've shot there.

00:35:03
Speaker 6: It was one of the things on well not unfortunately.

00:35:05
Speaker 1: I think as an actor it was it was exhilarating at a ton of fun, but for young actors it was a little daunting. It was our executive producer was famous for rewriting on the night. Would be sitting there waiting and he'd come in and scratch out a page. You go, no, here's what you're gonna do. And we're like watching going okay, here you go and then action.

00:35:24
Speaker 8: But you also, I mean there's something about that you get really good at a very particular thing because you literally have no choice, like exactly get good doing that.

00:35:33
Speaker 6: I have a very particular set of skills.

00:35:36
Speaker 7: Its notes exactly. I heard you.

00:35:40
Speaker 9: I would listen to your guys pilot of this podcast before before coming on.

00:35:45
Speaker 7: We got Better.

00:35:47
Speaker 9: It's it's great. I really I found it fascinating.

00:35:50
Speaker 7: You guys are great.

00:35:51
Speaker 8: You do.

00:35:51
Speaker 9: You do an awesome podcast here, and you have great chemistry, and like I was really interested to hear you guys talk about your memory of getting the notes after the run through, Like I think you said an hour or two of notes, Josh. Can you imagine if after the run through we sat with the actors for two hours, that's what they said they were getting as teenagers. Ye, without getting into like that, I had so much sympathy for you guys. Listen, thinking about giving teenagers and getting that many notes. I don't want it without like our picture put you in an uncomfortable spot?

00:36:21
Speaker 2: Was that big our big joke, our big impression of our executive producer, which Will and I because we when we were wrapping the show. We made a fake documentary. Will and I went around and shot a fake documentar of where are they now ten years in the future of Boy Meets World? And we did an impression of our our executive producer, which was sitting down to give a notes and he just goes, this was something really special. You guys really nailed this.

00:36:46
Speaker 8: This is perfect.

00:36:47
Speaker 2: Let's get into notes. Page one, line one, where God, he would go line page one, Line one is our because he would he wouldn't. He would just be like Paige one, line one and yeah, even even if he was super passive, we would just go line line.

00:37:02
Speaker 6: And by the way, that was I was ever the time, I was the only teenager.

00:37:05
Speaker 1: They were eleven and twelve, right, And so you would sit there and we would everybody would take their seats in the living room set, and our producer would stare at us, and.

00:37:14
Speaker 2: It was it was as much a performance piece as it was a note session. It was there was very much about he had been an actor. It was very much about his.

00:37:23
Speaker 7: Was his moment? Was his moment?

00:37:25
Speaker 4: The number of guest stars we've interviewed who come in going I don't remember that much, but I do remember those note sessions.

00:37:34
Speaker 7: That I've never heard of a two hour note session line.

00:37:37
Speaker 8: I mean, we were spared almost all notes, like we really got you guys ran out.

00:37:42
Speaker 9: They were like Josh Radner shaped a hole in the wall.

00:37:47
Speaker 2: Down, it's one pair done for the dead.

00:37:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much of the arc of your show was mapped out when you started the show?

00:38:09
Speaker 6: Did you know where you were going to end when you started the entire series?

00:38:13
Speaker 7: Yeah, we knew.

00:38:14
Speaker 9: We knew where we wanted to end it pretty early on, but we had it would be dishonest to say, and we knew we'd get nine seasons and what the whole shape of that would be. We were you know how it is like, I mean, you guys were such kids when you started, but we didn't feel like we had a show that was guaranteed you to come back the next season until year four or something, do.

00:38:32
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

00:38:33
Speaker 9: So we always had these big ideas and things we knew we wanted to get to, and it was always this this funny like on the fly math of like how long can we stretch this condition out? Or sho should we rush through this because they're going to cancel us at the end of season five, So we've got to get through this and forget about that idea.

00:38:48
Speaker 7: We just have to go to this.

00:38:49
Speaker 9: And it was always this kind of like Las Vegas style, like how long can we let this ride on red or whatever? And we after a little while, a long while and a lot of suffering, you realize we're not going to get canceled.

00:39:01
Speaker 7: We've actually become a hit.

00:39:02
Speaker 9: We've actually like the show got onto Netflix and people started your four You're five of the show, like really binging it and catching up and then watching a week to week, and our numbers just spiked, And at.

00:39:12
Speaker 7: That moment we went, we might get to do this for a while.

00:39:15
Speaker 9: And we sort of got to play around a little more in the middle than maybe we thought we'd we would, but we had some idea of the kind of beginning, middle, and end generally speaking. But we yeah, we we had We were very lucky that we got to play for those middle seasons. We got to play once we were like exhaling the feel of canceling.

00:39:31
Speaker 8: It's funny when something like runs as long as our shows do that in hindsight, it looks like there was some genius master plant. But yeah, when you when you get into like the center of show base, you realize everyone's just winging it. Everyone is as they go along. Yeah, no one, like William Goldman famously is that no one knows anything right, No one knows what's going to be a hit. Like you're just making it up as you go, And like Craig said, like it felt like we actually something. I think that was really good for us, even though it was nail biting in the first couple of seasons whether we'd be back. We were doing just good enough in the demo that CBS let us stay on the air, but we weren't a big enough hit that they were paying that much attention to us.

00:40:16
Speaker 6: That's the best.

00:40:17
Speaker 7: It was the absolute sweet spot.

00:40:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, by the fourth season, by the time we got on Netflix, we actually became a hit. We were getting two season pickups. You know, we were doing twenty four instead of twenty two. We already had this singular voice that Carter and like, we were already this weird, interesting kind of indie band that got a little more popular, and we're playing bigger venues, like you know, and it was just really fun that we were. I think sometimes shows can get cursed by getting too big too quickly. Yeah, and then you start going, well, what do people love? And then you start second guessing what made it special in the first place?

00:40:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, were you guys a hit right out of the gate? How did it grow for you? Like? What was that our flight?

00:40:55
Speaker 2: We always felt like we weren't a hit. We were almos under the radar, you know. I mean part of that was because we were a kid show, so there was a sense of like mainstream culture was out there and we were like in our own little sandbox. But yeah, no, we we felt like we were gonna get canceled pretty much every every season.

00:41:10
Speaker 9: Really, Yeah, I thought by the end you wouldn't have felt that way. Maybe maybe my sense of it is I'm a little bit too old to have like watched your show and when it was on, But like my sense and maybe this is a retroactive feeling. People love it so much now it's an enduring show, maybe not remembering.

00:41:27
Speaker 2: Popular now than when it was on. By Yeah, we're second fiddle to Sabrina the Teenage Witch. To put that in perspective, Sabrina the te was the big hit and we were we were the lead in for that, so we were like the also ran to Sabrina and like, but now I feel like most people talk about our show more than they talk about Sabrina.

00:41:44
Speaker 8: And the time, which isn't time funny?

00:41:46
Speaker 7: Like how they take that Sabrina yah, but how how things.

00:41:51
Speaker 8: Age and where they're you know, like we can even and we don't. I don't want to get into the weeds on this, but our finale was controversial, and we have people we hear from people all the time who said, I was so angry when that happened, and ten years later, I now things have happened in my life that that finale makes complete sense to me interesting when I first saw it. So I think it's nice to take the long view of things. It's very hard to do when you're dealing with like ratings and overnights and you.

00:42:18
Speaker 7: Know what's up.

00:42:19
Speaker 8: It's impossible almost, But it's fun that we have like a like a bigger slice of life now to like actually see where our shows kind of are in the constellation of things.

00:42:29
Speaker 3: Well.

00:42:29
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm very much It sounds Josh like I'm like your wife because I am a television junkie. I have been my whole life. Nobody watches more TV than me. So she and I can have an Olympic TV off, but neither of us would show up because we'd both be watching TV. But just just getting to the point of getting to have a final episode is so rare in television, right, yeah, right, because.

00:42:50
Speaker 6: Normally it's just your hey, wow, that show's gone. What the hell?

00:42:53
Speaker 1: So it's really the ones that have endured that get that goodbye. I mean, just that goodbye is so rare that, I mean, let alone to have a controversial one. I mean, you look back on the when Sopranos ended and everyone was like, what the hell you know you get but they're still talking about it.

00:43:09
Speaker 7: But there's and it's funny.

00:43:11
Speaker 9: It's almost like, because what you guys said, like maybe you've been more enduring than some of your contemporary some of your classmates, even the classmates on TV who seem like the more popular kids in the TV school, You've outlasted it somehow, and that means there was something enduring about what you guys did and what you have energy you put out there.

00:43:28
Speaker 7: I like to think it's true of how much your mother too.

00:43:30
Speaker 9: And I think a weird part of it is that sometimes it was surprising and controversial what we did on the show, and people like debate it and write think pieces about it and stuff, and I think that that echo has actually kept the show more popular than some of our other classmates at the time.

00:43:43
Speaker 6: I think it's true.

00:43:44
Speaker 8: I also think I mean, I think our show was really funny, like like properly funny in the way you want a great sitcom to be funny. And that's been part of the light is going back to it being like, oh, I was on something really wondering. It's so hard to get a sense of what you're on while you're on it, so when you go back a couple of years later, it's like, oh my god, this was this was quite good, Like I understand why people are still watching this and talking about But I also think there's something like when and this fell on me a lot as a character, like shows that dare to kind of do more heart forward stuff in addition to the comedy, I think they have a better chance of lasting a little bitter, because then you're in the realm of like perennial, Like everyone gets heartbroken, everyone feels like a failure. Everyone longs to connect, and they you know, they get hurt. They hurt people, so I think that when I was on the air, I remember this feeling that I there were there was a very vocal corner, not not the whole thing, but there were some people that just did not like my character, Like I was the vulnerable man, right, and they were like that guy, like we don't like it, you know. But I feel like, again, he's aged so well, Like the character is age so well. Yeah, and I hear from not just men who relate to him. I hear from a ton of women ye to him. So I think that sometimes you dare to put something forward that's like a little more vulnerable, that risks sentimentality. I have a big thing about like there's a difference between sentiment and sentimentality. Like sentiment is like feeling it's good, you want it. You just don't want to be trite or cliche, you know, predictable. So I think we did something really well that secured a place for us, you know, in the culture somehow.

00:45:24
Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that made your show so unbelievably special. I mean, any television show, especially that comes out it's pieces and one piece goes away and the whole thing falls apart.

00:45:34
Speaker 6: So obviously the writing is there the creative team is there.

00:45:38
Speaker 1: But then you get this ensemble cast together, which is one of the best ensemble casts ever on television. So is this something that did you write any of these parts for specific actors and then oh my god, they decided to do it or did this just fall into place where wow, these people came into audition and we were able to somehow put this magic.

00:45:57
Speaker 9: Together almost entirely. The second thing and a little bit the first thing. The like Josh was the first audition day, one first person we saw for any role and he came in and he's ted.

00:46:10
Speaker 6: So that was like that, How does that?

00:46:11
Speaker 9: Does that ever happen? I don't know if it's never happened.

00:46:14
Speaker 7: There's there's two.

00:46:15
Speaker 8: Good ways to get a roll. One is that way, and the second one is you're the last person they saw answer the problem. They can't figure it out, and then you walk in and give them someone who.

00:46:26
Speaker 7: Didn't show up.

00:46:27
Speaker 9: Yeah, So that was Josh, Thank God and thank the casting gods, and but and everybody else. We I guess Neil. We had seen Neil in Harold and Kumar.

00:46:40
Speaker 7: Remember Harold and Kumar.

00:46:41
Speaker 9: He steals the movie for several minutes and we were like God, and we had been envisioning the character of Barney is maybe like more of a Jack Black, kind of like John Belushy type of guy, and we knew there was that version. Then there was like the Vince Vaughn version, and we're like, Neil is the Vince von version of Barney. We were one hundred percent coming to that version, which we were kind of leaning the other way, and Neil came in and just auditioned and stole that part away from everybody else. And then my wife I told my wife Rebecca, we're creating a role a little bit based on her. It's Marshall. Lilly are kind of like my me and my wife Jason and Allison's character. And my wife said, I'm a little weird about big a paracter on TV being based on me. Here's my two conditions. We're huge Buffy fans at the time. In detail. Here one condition is I have to name the character I wanted to be called Lily. And condition too is it has to be Allison Haddigan or no deal.

00:47:38
Speaker 7: Somehow we trot. We made her an.

00:47:42
Speaker 9: Offer as one of our first like maneuvers, and we were such a small pilot created, you know, created by two nobody's Carter and I, who'd never even been on staff on a multi camp sitcom. No one cared about our pilot. Maybe there was like eleven pilots comedies for CBS that year. We were definitely the eleventh. I already pilot, and so nobody really cared. They're like, I let these kids make their little TV show, We'll see if it's anything. But Alison Hannigan was a star. She was from American Pie, she was from Buffy, and she had a quote, you know what I mean. She had a price tag to get Alison Haddigan.

00:48:15
Speaker 8: That was above It was bigger than mine.

00:48:20
Speaker 9: That's true. And this studio and the network, nobody wanted to spend extra money on the pilot being done by these two idiots, Carter and Craig. And we didn't get her at first because we didn't do They didn't want to spend the money. And then we saw all these people nobody felt quite right. And then we brought in Allison to audition along with Jason, and they were so charming together as this couple. That's one of the core pieces of the show.

00:48:44
Speaker 7: This couple. We've got to love this couple and the studio went, yeah, it's important. Threw a little money so we got her. But yeah, and Jason, we like studio.

00:48:58
Speaker 2: We had to go above and be on.

00:49:01
Speaker 9: I feel I've disclosed sensitive financial information here on your podcast.

00:49:07
Speaker 6: I think we all know coming off of her career, she had the bigger question. Not anything special about.

00:49:13
Speaker 9: That Kobe small Kobe smolders like materialized out of thin air to become Robin.

00:49:17
Speaker 7: She was this Canadian I you know, she'd just done a little bit of American stuff.

00:49:21
Speaker 9: She's from Vancouver, done a little acting there, but not that much, never done comedy and walked in and similar to Josh, and alongside of Josh and I did the auditions just like she was Robin. It was one of those It was such a mix of the two mechanisms of casting you asked about, Wow, that's great.

00:49:36
Speaker 4: We had so much fun talking with Josh and Craig. We had to split the episode into two parts, so thank you all for listening to part one. You can catch part two later today as a special bonus episode. Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and right Or Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram at Podmeets World Show, or email us at Podmeets Worldshow at gmail dot com