343 | Art of the Session: A Complete Framework for Confident Practice

Play Therapy Podcast: A Master-Class in Child-Centered Play Therapy

In this final episode of the Art of the Session series, I walk through a full recap of everything we've covered over the past 16 episodes. This has been one of the most in-depth series I've ever done, and it's all about grounding ourselves in the foundational structure of CCPT sessions — from how we set up our playrooms, to how we greet children and parents, to how we execute the core responses and maintain a child-led presence throughout.

My hope is that this episode brings it all together in a simple, clear framework that supports your confidence and adherence to the model. While CCPT is not always easy to execute, it is simple — and when you internalize the pillars, the reflective responses, and the essential mindset of being rather than doing, it becomes second nature. Thank you for walking through this series with me. I'm so grateful for your commitment to the model, and the kids you serve.

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Common References: Cochran, N., Nordling, W., & Cochran, J. (2010). Child-Centered Play Therapy (1st ed.). Wiley. VanFleet, R., Sywulak, A. E., & Sniscak, C. C. (2010). Child-centered play therapy. Guilford Press. Landreth, G.L. (2023). Play Therapy: The Art of the Relationship (4th ed.). Routledge. Landreth, G.L., & Bratton, S.C. (2019). Child-Parent Relationship Therapy (CPRT): An Evidence-Based 10-Session Filial Therapy Model (2nd ed.). Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9781315537948 Benedict, Helen. Themes in Play Therapy. Used with permission to Heartland Play Therapy Institute.

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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Today's episode,

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we are finishing up Art of the Session.

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And I'd like to kind of do

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a recap,

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if you will,

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an overview

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of everything we talked about.

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This is one of the longest series we've ever done.

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So quite a bit of content in this series,

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the goal of this entire series and even this episode

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is to give us

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not only a reminder

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but a refresher

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on the framework

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and the simplicity of the model,

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even though it is not easy to execute,

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we have a finite number of things that we should be doing

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and they can be put into a system.

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So that's my goal for this series and this episode,

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really kind of hone in on what does that look like and what can we practically do

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from start to finish.

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To make sure that our sessions with kids

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are exactly how they are intended to be.

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Before we dive in,

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this is your last chance,

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well,

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the last podcast episode about it,

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but

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this coming week,

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we are meeting in Houston.

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So if you have not,

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look,

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I know y'all,

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I because I'm the same way.

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If you wait till the last minute to do it,

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it only takes a minute to do.

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I get it.

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If you procrastinate like me and you're like,

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yeah,

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maybe I'll do that later,

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whatever,

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you're running out of time and I need a headcount.

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So in the show notes,

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please RSVP to the meetup.

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I know a lot of you have,

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just let me know you're coming because I need to be prepared,

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and I don't want to be at the last minute taking a minute to do something.

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So please don't do that to me.

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Hurry up,

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RSVP.

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All right.

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So let's talk through everything

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in this series,

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a little recap,

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if you will.

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Setting up the playroom,

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we have to be intentional

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about how it is arranged,

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what is included,

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what toys are in there,

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and it needs to be thoughtful,

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there's purpose.

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think about the three categories,

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think about the layout,

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toys are selected,

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not collected.

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No technology,

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no screens,

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agenda driven or leading guiding kind of electrical toys.

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organic play.

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And the playroom needs to be neutral.

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don't put art up on the walls.

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It needs to feel like it is ideal for every single child.

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Every child that walks in there

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should be able to make it their own.

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And everything about it is purposeful.

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When they walk through the door.

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You have an opportunity.

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have a conversation

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from the second they step foot into your lobby or your

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waiting room or your office or whatever it is,

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wherever you first interact with them.

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You have an opportunity

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to be very

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intentional about what that's like.

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You get down on their level,

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you make eye contact,

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you make the focus on the child.

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You help them feel that they are the most important

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thing to you during that hour because they are.

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and you want it to be very clear,

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you have been looking forward to this meeting.

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And this is also when you engage with parents because

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you have to build a relationship with them too,

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but the primary function is that we make it really clear to the child

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that you

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are exuding the be with attitudes

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as soon as you see them.

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Then you can make it part of your process

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to walk back to the session with empowerment choices.

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So what can you do?

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What can you work in

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so that you can provide empowerment choices?

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You can choose for them to wash their hands in a certain location,

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you can choose for them to use sanitizer.

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You can choose for them

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to go up the elevator or the stairs.

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You can choose for them to turn on the light or you turn on the light.

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You can choose for them to shut the door or you shut the door.

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There are all kinds of options.

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So that as part of the standard

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process,

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consistency,

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predictability,

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stability for kids.

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They know exactly what you're going to say,

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they know exactly what to expect,

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and they're going to make choices accordingly.

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Then when they walk through the playroom door.

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You have a very intentional dialogue.

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Welcome back to the playroom.

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So happy to be with you.

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This is your time,

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you're in charge.

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You can choose to play with all the toys in most of the ways that you want.

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That is the mark of when they get to be in charge from there forward.

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That is the signal,

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if you will,

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that we've transitioned away from,

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I'm walking you back and I'm still kind of the authority figure,

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and we're talking about random things,

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but as soon as this phrase is communicated.

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I'm no longer anything other than the

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therapeutic guide rail for you.

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And this is your hour to do what you need to do.

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Then you have the framework for the session.

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We have

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a limited number of responses.

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I think we overcomplicate this,

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and I,

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I've been saying this a lot lately.

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I think we overthink,

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and I think that we stress ourselves out about

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all the things that we're supposed to be doing.

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there's only a handful of things that we're ever going to say.

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We have

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the 4 pillars.

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We have the reflective responses.

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And we have a few other phrases.

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This is really important because if we realize

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I'm only ever going to be saying one of 11 things,

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it doesn't feel nearly as overwhelming.

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So let's very quickly just kind of

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recap what those are.

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We're going to use one of the three reflective responses.

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We're going to track behavior,

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reflect content,

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reflect feelings.

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Say what you see.

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Say what is said.

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Say what they express or feel.

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There's simplicity in it,

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those can always be given.

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No matter what,

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one of those

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is always appropriate.

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And if they're not saying anything

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and they're not expressing anything emotionally,

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then your default is tracking behavior.

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You can have those in your back pocket to pull out at any moment.

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If you are ever at a loss for what you should be saying.

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One of the reflective responses

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be your opportunity to communicate something.

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Beyond that,

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we have the pillars.

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reflecting feelings is one of the pillars,

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so there's crossover in the reflective responses in the pillars.

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The additional three pillars.

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We can provide choices.

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We already have talked about empowerment choices on the way back.

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We can provide choices within the session as well.

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Choices are also a part of limits.

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So if a limit is necessary,

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choices are worked into

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the limits that are set as well.

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Those are enforcement choices.

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So we can provide choices for empowerment.

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We set limits when necessary.

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And we use encouragement and esteem building.

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Encouragement is the actual pillar of esteem building is a related concept.

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We're going to consistently.

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Encourage

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the effort.

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The contributions.

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What they are

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doing in a session,

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not about the outcome.

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Never about the outcome.

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And esteem building responses are acknowledging what

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the child is actively working on.

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You're not giving up.

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You have a plan.

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You're working on it.

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You're figuring it out.

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Encouragement.

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You did it.

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You got it.

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You knew what to do.

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Those are huge boosts of confidence for a child.

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And then the following are some guidelines,

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not necessarily a skill,

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but certainly something that

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want to

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engage in these ways in the sessions

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from Axline and or Landreth.

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If you

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need more info on these,

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you can go back to the CCPT Purism series.

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But one of the other things that we do is follow the metaphor.

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We are always trying to continue what the child has given us to work with.

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If they say that

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something is

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a ship,

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we continue to say that's a ship.

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We don't label things.

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So we're going to say that and it and those.

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the dog

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because it might not be a dog.

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We're going to remain neutral.

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Our responses are always neutral.

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They're not charged,

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they're not emotional.

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They are factual declarations.

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Birthed out of neutrality.

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And we don't ever impart wisdom or teach or preach or instruct.

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We do not possess what the child does not possess.

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So we have no knowledge,

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no understanding,

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no awareness that the child doesn't either.

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Then we provide narrative commentary.

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the

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additional option

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instead of just tracking behavior all the time.

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So instead of saying you picked that up.

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Narrative commentary might be,

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you grabbed it and you're moving it all the way over there.

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It's an observational dialogue

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about what's taking place,

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bigger picture.

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I wonder and whisper technique.

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I wonder statements exclusively used when we need a cue.

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it is not CCPT.

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We reserve those exclusively

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for when a child is needing to

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direct us to do something,

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and we are unsure about what we should say or do next.

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I wonder what the robber does.

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I wonder how I cut this paper.

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Whatever we've been told to do when we need clarity,

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we use an I wonder statement.

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For no other reason

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do we wonder.

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And that can be coupled with and or an additional option is the whisper technique.

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So anytime we need to know something,

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we can whisper it.

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What do I do now?

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Really helpful.

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how do we engage in role play?

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We have to be invited in.

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We make sure we know exactly what we are to say and do.

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Sometimes we wait because we tend to push the pace.

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now we're going to do this,

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we try to jump ahead to figure out what comes next.

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We are patient and we wait

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for directives.

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And we don't ad lib.

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And we don't provide commentary and we don't make assumptions.

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Everything about role play is child led.

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So we wait and we get cues

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and we respond accordingly.

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And so here's

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What all of that means.

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We've spent 16 sessions on this.

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16 episodes,

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I suppose,

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in Art of the Session.

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And what

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the goal for this entire series

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is to give us the foundation.

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And equip us

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so that we feel confident.

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I know exactly

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what needs to happen.

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To have a session with a child.

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CCPT is hard.

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It's simple,

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but it's hard.

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And sometimes we need

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some

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ground beneath us.

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If I do this,

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and then I do this,

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and then I do this,

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and then I do this.

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I know that I'm adherent to the model.

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It takes away some of the unknown.

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It takes away some of the confusion.

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But I want to be really clear.

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I know how this goes,

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because I coach so many

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therapists that I,

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I see this happen all day every day.

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If I do this and I do this and I do this and I do this.

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Yes,

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we have objectives.

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there are skills.

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there's a framework.

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But at the end of the day

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we are not doing,

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we are being.

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So the balance point here.

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is that we

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are managing what we need to be doing

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in execution.

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But making sure that that is not the focus.

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The focus is

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the being.

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We are child-centered.

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We embody child-centeredness.

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Relationship and environment.

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Always

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and forever.

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Are the two most important things.

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So Art of the Session,

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we need to know how to execute these things,

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and there are things that we do.

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Yet at the same time.

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More importantly,

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is that this helps us be CCPT.

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Because when you're all in,

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you are CCPT.

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So let that be an encouragement to y'all.

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We are officially done.

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We are moving into some individual topics

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so that we can have a little bit of a break before we dive into a new series,

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and there are quite a few things that have been coming up pretty regularly lately

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that I know many of you are wondering about and asking about,

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so we're gonna tackle some of those

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individual topics for several weeks.

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Thank you all so much for the feedback from the series.

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Thank you for listening faithfully.

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I've been getting emails literally from all over the world.

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I've had people joining the Collective from all over the world,

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and the common thread in every single one of the people is,

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I am so hungry.

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To be the best that I can be at this.

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And that is at the heart of this podcast for

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every single minute that you spend listening to these episodes.

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For every minute

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that you work on

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being CCPT.

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It's for you,

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but in the grand scheme,

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it's for your kids.

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And it's for their future,

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and it's for their well-being,

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it's for their families,

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it's for the cyclical change that will come out of that.

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It's for the communities in which they live.

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My long running

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vision

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is a world full of happy kids that become happy adults.

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We don't get there

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Unless we have people

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that are CCPT.

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That are serving kids and their families.

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And so every minute that you spend with this podcast,

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I am grateful,

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I am thankful.

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And I know the impact that this is having

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on kids all over the world

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and what a blessing for me,

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what a blessing for us,

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what a blessing for children and their families

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and 50 years from now when these kids have grandkids.

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There's a ripple,

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and we know that

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they become catalysts for change long term.

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What a special thing to be a part of.

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So I very much appreciate y'all.

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Thank you for being so committed to this

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and

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CCPT is amazing,

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as you know.

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We'll talk again soon.

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I love y'all.

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Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr.

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Brenna Hicks.

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For more episodes and resources,

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