KSR Postgame UK FB at Vanderbilt 11/22/25

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone. It is the local Toy Dealers KSR. Postgame show Cats get annihilated in Nashville forty five to seventeen in a game that probably wasn't even that close. If we're all being honest, you can give a shout. I'm gonna let you guys do a lot of the talking after this first segment, in part because you know, I don't. I don't really know what the sentiment of the fan base kind of is at this point. It was it's a really odd thing. I went into this game sort of thinking Kentucky had a real shot. I thought for certain it would be close. And it was never close, and Kentucky was really after the first quarter, never in it. Diego Pavia did whatever he wanted, produced probably one of the great individual performances against UK football ever, most passing, your second, most passing yards against UK since Peyton Manning back in nineteen ninety seven, made some couple of amazing deep throws, and he was hugely significant to the game. But Kentucky just in general was off awful offensively, nothing I mean until the fourth until basically mop up time. Kentucky's offense was non existent. Defensively, you saw for the first game, you really saw the impact of having all the guys hurt in the secondary. But but you know, there's hurt and then there's I mean, the first guy that got beat was a veteran in Hardaway, so it wasn't even one of the young guys playing. It was just a disaster. I mean, Kentucky got completely annihilated. And it's really the first time Vandy has annihilated the team this year. They've played so many close games, but it happened in this one, and you know, so now you're left in a weird situation. Kentucky was I'm not sure morale or well, I know, morale around the team and the program had not been lower than it was three weeks ago or four weeks ago since Joker Phillips was the coach, which of course led to a fire. And then you win three straight games, and I don't know if people were, you know, gung ho, but certainly the dogs kind of got called off a little bit and people were like, Okay, well things have improved. We like Cutter Bowley, I still don't know about where the program is long term, but at least it's been stabilized. And I said the only thing that can't happen is to get blown out these next two games, and they got blown out in the first game. So you're five and six, and you play a Louisville team next week that themselves is reeling, that has lost three straight, that got blown out today against SMU, maybe as many points, maybe not as thoroughly as we did, but still thirty eight to seven, and the you know, the Battle of the Bluegrass next week, the Commonwealth Cup. I guess is two programs reeling, two programs with fan bases frustrated, and I guess the question will be which one will end up more frustrated. I was sitting here trying to think of what that line will be going into it, and I really have no idea. I guess Louisville will be a favorite, maybe like three and a half. Maybe that's just a guess, though I don't know. Usually you'd have some idea. I really don't know. I would say Louisville maybe three and a half, something like that. But for Mark Stoops, the Louisville game is probably the difference between a frustrating ultimately mediocre season, which would occur with a win a bowl game where you would get another month of practice, a chance to keep momentum well, if not keep it going, at least keep the program from suffocating, and a fan base that would be still not happy, but go well, at least we beat Louisville three years, three times in a row on their home field and made a bowl game a loss. And you get the scenario that we have been dreading since July, which is a five and seven purgatory season with no bowl, no momentum, losses to your rivals, and a fan base that would like to see a change most likely and then won't get it. That is the worst option, and it's an option that I think if they lose to Louisville, is very very likely to happen with an athletic director that I think is very likely to not be the athletic director at the end of the at the end of the school year. And so it's kind of a week where there's a pivot where Kentucky football can go one of two sort of dramatically different directions. I don't think Mark Stoops is going to get fired regardless, but I also wonder if at five and seven, especially if you lost to a Louisville team, that is now reeling. I don't know how you build up a fan base in that offseason. So it's a tough spot, and it comes on the heels of a tough week for UK sports after a very embarrassing loss Tuesday to Michigan State and now a very embarrassing loss Saturday to Vanderbilt. So the women's team won beat Louisville on the road, first time they've beaten them in Louisville since twenty fourteen. Kenny Brooks team, by the way, is really good. Did you watch any of that game, Billy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw him pull away in the second one.

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Speaker 1: Good like we got we block like every shot the women's see, that's what. That's got to be the tallest women's team I've ever seen. And they looked really good today. But besides that, it's kind of a not that happy and uneasy UH Kentucky fan base. So a lot on line next Saturday in UH in the former Papa John Stadium, and I really don't know what's gonna happen. Eight nine eighty seven. I want to take your calls, hear what you have to say. Uh, We've got to stop letting Ryan pick in the KSR parlay. We have to because uh, Shannon's pick already won. My pick is winning. Western's beating LSU right now, Billy three to nothing, that's right. Yeah, and Ryan's pick is getting annihilated, which was Georgia Tech. Remind he doesn't get to pick.

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Speaker 2: Again, Okay, I'll remind you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to quit giving him a chance because he he's like trying to get every tech question wrong on the act. It's hard. It's as hard as well getting him all right, yet he does it on these picks A five nine, twenty two eighty seven. By the way, before we go to break, I'm sure they're nice people, but those two announcers by the end of the game, I'm not sure I'd ever I was ever more ready to stop listening to two people talk than Mark Jones, who I think it's pretty good, and who is the other guy, Roddy.

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Speaker 2: Something they run out of things to say or something.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, they said six seven, one hundred and fifty times, and they like, we're trying to use, you know, big vocabulary words and diego Pavey's mom. I mean, that was the most tedious broadcast. And what was weird is the first quarter flew by, so quarters two through four took like four hours and by the end of it, and I'm sure those two guys are nice, but I was like, I can't, I cannot listen to the two of you talk anymore. That was a that was a tough watch from as a Kentucky fan. Hef, I'm nine twenty two eighty seven. We will take your calls. Tough night for UK football. This is the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame show. Welcome back. It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame Show. I would say twenty percent of the comments on the text Machiner about Diego Pavi's mom, which should give you a sense of how often she was on the telecast. I'm trying to think, Billy, I can't think of a parent ever being on that much. Ever, I mean, I no, I mean, I can't. I when I try to think of the parents that have been on broadcast, the most Christian Lightner's mom when she had that neck b which is before your time, but her like with her eyes beadd in, like her neck brace that was on a lot during that run. Donna Smith, I guess you could say during the Saul Smith Era was on a lot, but I don't remember a game ever where I saw they must have gotten a memo out to him in the second half because they didn't do it as much in the second half. But in the first half. I mean, that was more than Taylor Swift, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was egregious.

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Speaker 1: It was agreedious. She really was egregious, like and nothing against that woman. I'm sure she's a lovely person, but that that I don't think I can ever remember that ever. It was like every play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was way too much. And Theovonne was there for senior night as well.

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Speaker 1: I think Theovonne thinks he's on the team. Like, what's crazy about the Vonn is he is my age? You know, he is in his mid forties, Like he looks young, so I think I think people just think he's in college. But I mean he you know, he's having fun though, So I guess that's good. One person, rights, Matt. This just shows how bad the teams we beat were. I mean, yeah, but no, I don't you know, I don't buy that Auburn almost beat this Vanderbilt team a couple of weeks ago, like literally should have beat him. So you know we played awful and Auburn's not good, but I don't think like Auburn's not fifty points worst. I mean, you know that was a good win for us. Florida was a good win for us. This was an awful loss. One person rights, Matt Cutter. Bowley is the real deal. Our coaching staff stinks, but he is a real player. I'm surprised he came back in, but it shows what a tough kid he is. I'm excited about having him next year. I mean, he's the he is. He is Kentucky football going into next season. Like we were saying, what are they gonna sell the fans in the offseason, He's it like he'll be the whole thing because he is and he is exciting, and uh, kudos to him for coming back. I'm really shocked that he did, and hopefully he gets us a win against Louisville next week.

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Speaker 2: Rough night for Hamden though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was a rough night, terrible, especially the first half offense really was atrocious. But yeah, I mean Hampden took a step back. I think that's fair and I think his future, no matter what happens with Mark stoops Bush, Hamden's future probably comes down to Saturday, because if Mark Stoops comes back and we're five and seven, the pressure is gonna be for a move to be made, and he'll probably end up being Bush. Whether that's fair or not, it probably will be unless Cutter Bowley really likes him and says I don't want him gone, and then he might be back. So we'll see who's at first. Zach, Zach, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Zach, Hey, guys, and know, I'm just want to know when it come to the n I L and things like with a team like Vanderbilt, when you know, for years, you know, I'm thirty one and overlays seeing that Vanderbilt usually was.

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Speaker 4: A game that we would win.

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Speaker 5: And we see now that Bandy is paying these you know, getting the quarterbacks coming in and doing that. We got our guy on Twitter doing these things and you know, comes in, gets that opportunity, throws an interception for a way that could be you know, could be swinging for the game.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just realizing.

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Speaker 1: What we mean a gull on Twitter. I don't know what you're talking about. A gull on Twitter? What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Zacha? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, getting the money and getting things like that gets his opportunity to come after that and the show and throws the interceptions.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, we we failed in the n I L when it's coming.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know, but we didn't failed because we didn't have enough money. We failed because we spent money on the wrong people.

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Speaker 5: Uh no, no exactly. But that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: That you get, you get.

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Speaker 5: Teams like Bandy. Right now, Bandy's talking.

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Speaker 3: About going to the college playoff, you know, having an opportunity of finding that way in it. I'm just saying, how do they have a better package.

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Speaker 1: They don't. Again, you're assuming that they had more money, they picked better players. I mean, I would bet you, and I appreciate the call. I would bet you we spent more on Calzada then they spent on Pavia last year. Now, they probably spent more on Pavia this year because he returned and he was good last year. But I'm just gonna guess that when Pavia came from New Mexico State, I think we paid Kalzada like one or I don't know what we paid him. You hear different things. I mean, part of it is we don't really know the numbers I've heard everywhere from one point twenty five to eight hundred thousand, but let's just say it's between eight hundred thousand and one point two five. I bet you Pavia made that or less last year. He certainly makes more more than that this year. So we just picked the wrong guy, or they came and he they coached him up better than we did. I mean, that's the answer. So you know it's gonna be weird going forward with an Il. This is a unique season for reasons we've talked about. We won't go over it. It was a double money year. You got the the old the old regime money and the REV share. But starting next year, rev share everybody in theory is gonna be equal. Of course, people are gonna get around it. But like everyone's gonna have money next year, and Andy's gonna have money. We have money, Like everyone is gonna have money, and how you choose to spend it is gonna be huge. And right now we haven't done a good job spending our money the last few years. Who's next, Rooney? What's up? Rooney?

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Speaker 6: Hey man?

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Speaker 7: How are you doing good?

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Speaker 6: I can say suck on the radio?

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Speaker 1: Correct you can't?

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Speaker 6: Yes, all right, let's man, I love you, k I love Mark Stoups. I want to keep him, and I'm praying to beat little By forty. But here's the deal. With four minutes in the SEC game, they move us from ESPN to ESPN News to be re replaced by acc game of Pitton Georgia Tuck Georgia Tech. I'm pretty sure that means we suck. And if they performs an EyeT against Louisville, I think Stoops is gone and uh and in the last one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why do you why do you think Stoops is gone? Like? What do you base that on? You basing that on this? I used to say the preacher said, do you think so or do you hope? So?

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Speaker 6: No, I don't hope. So. I think that if we get if we get beat forty five to seventeen by Louisville, then he's probably going to get fired.

00:15:46
Speaker 1: Who's paying that buy out? Who's paying that Buyoutough?

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, man.

00:15:50
Speaker 1: You can't just say that's the most important fact, Like you can't just say he's getting.

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Speaker 6: But I don't want him gone though I'm not I'm not one preaching from the big on. I want them to stay yeah, I just I don't know how you if you get killed two games in a row, that's tough. And the last thing I got for you is the postgame show before this one, they were so positive.

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Speaker 1: The interview is it's listen, that's Kentucky runs. Yeah, I mean jay Ami runs that listen. I have a belief and I appreciate the call. I have a belief that in twenty twenty five, you need to acknowledge like you can't fake truth in twenty twenty five, like you the days of you being able to act like everything's fine. People have too many other outlets. So I love the people involved. A lot of the people involved on the official pregame post game you know, some of the folks not as much, but most of them. I really like it. But I don't. I mean, like the Jami thing about like feedy, like they try to create this reality that is not a reality. Instead of just going this stinks, we have to act like, well there's some positive things coming then no, there's not. There's nothing positive about this. I mean, there's nothing positive at all about it. So I'm with you. I've expressed that to them. I'm like, we need to create stuff. People that like connects with the fans, not this, but we've I've had that conversation right now. I know Billy is probably trembling listening to me say this right now in studio. I wonder what I'm will say, but I'm with you. Right after I lose forty five to seventeen, I need frustration, and sometimes that's not what comes out. What's next?

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Speaker 2: I have no comment on that.

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Speaker 1: I knew you would.

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Speaker 2: Scott is next?

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Speaker 1: Scott, Go ahead, Scott. And there's a reason why I'm not on those shows anymore, by the way, And it was probably the last two minutes of what I just said. Scott, go ahead, Matt.

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Speaker 8: That's their loss totally. Hey, I have two quick questions, and I'll hang up and listen to your answers. Question number one is, for as far back as you can remember, where do you think the NIL NCAA lawsuit outcome regarding pay for the athletes? Where does that rank as far as impact on the college game?

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Speaker 1: Second most important thing in college I let me answer that because I do believe this. I think the NIL ruling all of that is the second most important thing that happened to college sports besides integration. I think if you go back and you look at the entire history, integration is the most important for social sports societal reasons. But this is second in terms of what it has done, and I don't think it's negative, but just in terms of completely changing what the sport is. So that's my answer to that. What's your second question?

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Speaker 9: There you go, Yeah, you nailed it.

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Speaker 8: So my second question is considering that if we remember Stoops took years to build our program up to the success that reached at its pinnacle under him, is it possible that this sea change because of nil and the lawsuit money, Uh, that it will require a recalibration. And then is it possible that maybe it's taken him a year or two to adjust, and that he has the possibility that he will follow the same path and elevate up again just like you did when he got here.

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Speaker 1: Possibly? I mean, I you know, I don't know. I appreciate the call like in five years we're all gonna look back, like like I feel like the next five years really this year and like the next five you know, they say, uh, Billy Tom and s like Tom is you know, Tom is a figment? Right? They said? With physics, I don't understand physics, but they say, you know, the time space can continuum. We're gonna look back in like six years. If we could do it right now and look at the six years prior, the sport is gonna look entirely different than it looks now. And I don't know what that's gonna exactly look like. And some people are gonna succeed and some people are going to fail. And there's a very good chance that the people that succeed are going to be different than the people that succeeded in the pre Aile era. There'll probably be a couple people who are able to do both, but I bet it won't be most people. They're gonna be in Aisle successful coaches and programs and pre Inile successful coaches and programs. By the way, just like there were post segregation successful programs and pre segregation successful programs and post television explosion programs that were good, and pre television explosion programs that were good. In Aisle's gonna be one of those. I'm a big avat for the University of can Tucky going forward. We have to position ourselves for the new era. And as wonderful as I think Mitch Barnhardt is has been. I don't think he is a post Nisle visionary thinker for what's coming, which is why I think it would be good for a new person in charge there soon. And with Mark Stoops, I don't know. I don't, I really don't. With Mark Pope, I don't know. I think Mark's more suited for it because he's like embraced it. But with Mark Stoops he didn't embrace it. Now he kind of seems like he wants to. But then you have all this baggage of thirteen years and potentially a blowout loss to Bandy and all this. So there's a part of me that says, whatever decisions come in these next six months, the ad position at the football coach position, it all needs to be with the kind of the next five years, because the next five years are going to decide the next twenty years of college sports of what programs are good and all that. And I don't want us to be in the wrong place. So, you know, I think everybody's going to decide with all of these people, are they the right ones? You know? And I worry about it as somebody who's economic and career interest is with UK sports. I worry that we are not modern thinking on a lot of stuff, and I think that needs to change quickly. What's next, Ryan, Ryan? What's up? Ryan?

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Speaker 7: Hey Man?

00:22:43
Speaker 1: Are you doing good?

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Speaker 10: I guess for me, I'm just a casual football fan for UK, but just watching them play, it's just it's kind of embarrassing to watch them play in the SEC and then you watch other teams and you're like, why can't we have something like that? Even like the Vandy's of the world, there's no reason that we can't have something like that on a bio.

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Speaker 1: Well, there is a reason we don't have Diego Pavia. I mean if we did, it'd be interesting. Like like again, I think Cunter Bowl is gonna be really really good, but it would be interesting to see if you put Diego Pavia like on this Kentucky team, what happens, right? I mean, like, because Bandy, when the NFL Draft comes, there's only gonna be a couple of Vandy dudes that get picked right now. One of them will not be Diego Pavia, So it'd be interesting to see if is it him. I think Clark Lee is clearly a brilliant football mind. We're we're getting out schemed without question. But I think it's a but I actually don't think the talent gap is all that huge. But we look like two completely different teams.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. The last thing I got is just watching Vandy's in game like stuff, going on, light shows, everything, and they are so much better.

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Speaker 1: That is, And that's what I talk about modernization. I appreciate. I mean, it's we we are not a modern athletic department. Football program. I think basketball we are closer to it, but football and and just kind of the athletic we're just not. And I think that it's got to change. And you know, you watch a night like tonight, like it used to be, Vandy would be always, well, we're better than Bandy. And I watched that and I thought about that tonight, watching the light shows and watching you know, I was like, man, are we not just not as good on the field as Vandy? Are we just kind of as a modernized athletic department, are we behind Vandy? That's not that's not good that you would even be having those thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're thirteen of stoops too. You're going into the fourth quarter down forty five to three to Vandy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you, if you accept my premise a minute ago about the next five years, we'll determine the next twenty five. And maybe people don't. But let's just if you accept that premise. Is this the leadership that you think is that group? Are these the visionaries for the future? You know? I think that's fair in a question, man, what's next? Will will go ahead?

00:25:34
Speaker 6: Will hey?

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Speaker 11: Matt uh? I think something does go by the wayside? Talk about this Diego pavia Is. When they brought him in last year, they brought with him his tight end you last hours, his head coach Jerry Kill ends up in this cordineraor Tim Beck. That helped him out a lot with the true contrdy stuff. If you before the game he was gonna have the amount of rushing guard that he end up having. I always thought we were in a good spot because I didn't imagine him throwing group. I mean four savty six, how many yards?

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Speaker 6: That was a bull? That his hard thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had some plays. Now, he had some plays that I think there wasn't much we could do about, right, I mean, Jajo Hardaway is clearly not as fast as that guy, and Poby put him right on put it right on the money. Probably not much you can do about that, but in general, you're exactly right. You wouldn't have thought Pobby's gonna throw for four to sixty three or whatever it was.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, and and the pivoting to looking towards next week. Trying to be as OPPOSITECND. I watched as much as I could could do my toddler of the Louisville game for our game, and as much as he talk about what we did in garbage time. It did seem like I've had at least some fight, and I don't know if I could say the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they quit, they completely quit, So you're exactly right, like we certainly can win that game Saturday. I appreciate the call like they've quit. First of all, we don't know if Miller Moss is gonna play. It is clear that the dudes behind him are worse, all right, So I think their fans really don't like Miller Moss, but I think they saw today that whatever's behind them is worse. So you might get a Miller Moss that the fan base doesn't like, or a couple guys who don't look good at all. I don't know what the status of their running backs will be they did not play. It looks like they've quit. So we should win that game? Well, I say should. We certainly can win that game. So as bad as this was that team, we're playing Saturdays a lot worse. So we do. I mean, we still have a shot of winning that game. We need to do it, actually, because I think if we lose this programs that are real crossroads that I don't really want us to be in. Is Western still beating LSU they are? Do we have any chance of having Ryan's pick come back? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I gotta check the score of that game.

00:28:05
Speaker 1: It's twenty eight fourteen. Okay, it was twenty eight nothing, so now it's twenty eight fourteen. All right, Well maybe, uh we'll take a break A five nine two aight, oh, twenty two eighty seven. It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame Show. Welcome back. It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame show. So I decided to look billy at the u ks board on the show thread for this show. Okay, so on KSE board that's like the KSR plus uh the message board. And first of all, not a group of of Mark Stops fans. I think it's fair to say, and not necessarily a group of fans, at least of what I've said on the show. So I'm going to answer a couple of these because I do think like most of the call most of the callers so far haven't been too negative. So I just want to answer a couple of these. One person said so, one person rights, Matt thinks he's back no matter what. So that's really exciting. That was Jay Wilson. I don't I mean, I just want somebody to tell me where the thirty seven million dollars is gonna come from if we're five and seven. If we were three and nine, I don't think they had a choice. But if we're five and seven, My question for you is who's going to pay that money? Because everybody skips over that piece. We have one booster who, in theory could pay that money, and he is very and they are very close to Mark Stoops. I don't know who you all think is gonna pay it. I'm not sure that I think Mark Stoops at five and seven it's a good decision for him to come back. But if he wants to, I don't think Kentucky. I don't know where that money's coming from, do you.

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Speaker 2: Billy, No, No, But I mean three wins, five wins, it's the same amount of money. I guess it's just the sentiment.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think three wins. I think UK would have had no choice. But you know, James w that guy's on Twitter. He really, he really doesn't like us, Billy Matt, Yeah, that's nice. That's what I recognize. Matt shows in the first ten minutes of the show. He's clueless about the pulse of BBN when it comes to football. Plus, he isn't gonna say Stoop should be fired because Stoops is his boy. The narrative that Stoops and I are somehow friends is always odd to me. I mean, I haven't talked to Stoops in a year, well not a year, but probably six to eight months, because I mean, I don't know what to say to him because like things, we've been very critical of him. Vince was my boy, but Stoops I like him, but we're not friends. When he leaves, I'll probably never talk to him again. As far as the pulse of BBN, the pulse of BBN, in my opinion, you have to balance more than just like the folks that are hardcore, like the people that post on message boys are on social media. We're hardcore fans, all of us. The majority of fans are casuals. The majority of fans, that's the people who pack Commonwealth Stadium and they are unhappy about the part about this, but they're not gonna pay thirty seven million dollars to buy them out. And maybe you are, James W but I don't know how much you contribute. But where is that money you're going to come from In a year where you're gonna have to pay twenty two million in rev share, you would have to hire a new coach, you would have to and I think Adam Luckett said there's like eight six to eight million you'd have to pay an assistant coach buy out, so that thirty seven is more like forty five. Where's it coming from? Like, where's it coming from? I don't know. I mean, if you know, tell me, but I don't know. So I think the fans can be like I want to change, but there's a there's a financial reality that's part of it. And that's the part that I think is harder to come up with. Who's up next? Craig and Glam, Craig and Guam, how are you and Matt.

00:32:17
Speaker 12: I think we can come up with that money already seven million, if Garrett can get his money up.

00:32:22
Speaker 1: That's true. A lot of this would be Garrett.

00:32:26
Speaker 12: Yeah, and I think that I think that it's unfortunate that this is the reality of UH Kentucky's position in SEC football right now. But we went to a we went to a Buffalo wing cookoff, and we took.

00:32:38
Speaker 7: A veggie trade tonight.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: You did for Billy.

00:32:46
Speaker 7: Kentucky.

00:32:48
Speaker 12: Kentucky went to one.

00:32:49
Speaker 1: Well, I thought you, I'm sorry, I've lost my trade. Thought yet You're exactly right. Although Billy's veggie trade was more successful, and this veggie trade did nothing but kill us our momentum. I mean, this is a momentum killer for a program that had gotten a little bit of it going. I'm with you, Craig, this is an absolute dud. Yeah.

00:33:12
Speaker 12: I think I feel like Cutter was just had his mind on the NBA tonight.

00:33:18
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. I am proud of Cutter for coming back. I don't know if that was smart Billy, to be honest with you, but you know the color that said those dudes, Cutter was still playing, Willie Rodriguez still playing at the end. Those two guys are gonna be a big key for the future of Kentucky football, you know. Jared Jeff Pikoro said on the post game he thinks Willie could be the best tight end pass catching tight end to ever play here.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had an aggressive tackle late. It's good to see him still playing. I would just go to Cutter at this point and ask him if he wants Bush Hampton as the offensive coordinator. I would allow him to make the decision.

00:33:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean, when I think of the best pass catching tight ends here, Jimmy Whalen is the one that comes to to mind. Some of the old timers probably can give me ones that are right there with him. But Willie's good that That's that's very high praise from Jeff. Who's next, Dwayne, Dwayne? What's up, Team Matt?

00:34:16
Speaker 13: I got about ten things for you, but I'll keep it short and making down to three. First thing, I went to the restaurant after the redo, wings Burgers, top notch, phenomenal.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate you.

00:34:37
Speaker 13: Because before when I went I was like, yeah, these are okay, but now they're like top notch tonight's game. I wasn't expecting a whole lot because Vanderbilt was playing for a lot more than we was. So it was upsetting, but it wasn't that bad.

00:34:57
Speaker 1: And do you do you really you really weren't that upset?

00:35:04
Speaker 13: No, Because as I was watching it, I was like, as things kept happening, I'm like, yeah, yeah, And I mean offensively, we didn't play good at all, and defensively we got burned a couple of times, and it, I mean it just trickled down. And we had then that play when uh, when Cutter went out and they brought in Calzada and he threw that pass into the end zone and that guy was definitely past interference and they never called it. I was like, that could have.

00:35:42
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean there were a couple of those calls, like I don't think he got that first down early in the game and that could have been past interference. But they were way better than us there, I mean a call here or there is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I mean we were getting we got some Absolutely, they could have scored a honestly if they really pushed the if they really kept their foot on the gas, they could have scored eighty.

00:36:07
Speaker 13: I mean, I absolutely agree with that. So, I mean we was out class tonight. But there was a couple of things that but no, it really wasn't. It didn't really bother me the whole game, like because it just didn't.

00:36:20
Speaker 1: I don't.

00:36:21
Speaker 13: I don't know why, but I just wasn't bothered.

00:36:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, well, I appreciate the call. By the way, one more thing on that chas arthread, there's people who say, and I want you to speak to this uh Billy, that we don't take anti stoops calls? Do you? How do you screen the calls? Tell everybody in case they don't know.

00:36:42
Speaker 2: Yes, we have six lines that are open, and I take them in order that I get them. So there's no at.

00:36:48
Speaker 1: The moment he hangs up, hang out for one, we get another call, so we put the people that are on. I intentionally tell Billy on every show put who like, do I tell you to not take anyone's call? No? No, never, I would we So if you are like, I am so done with stoops except just call. But like this part of the reason why I say that the fan base is not what you always what everyone thinks is because like on these calls, this is the most like whoever calls is on whereas you know sometimes in other forms it's self selecting. But I do I did expect people to be more negative on this, but so far you've heard the same calls I have. Who's next?

00:37:42
Speaker 2: And I've been burned in the past. There's no way I'm taking calls out of order anymore.

00:37:47
Speaker 1: Well you deserve that. Yeah, I go, excuse me, Who's next? Ja l jail, go ahead, jail?

00:37:55
Speaker 14: Thanks man taking my call. I got two things and I'll get off there. What worried me Man about more than anything is I just think if we bring Stoop's back, we're gonna lose a lot of players. And I heard you say something earlier about you didn't think if we got you know, beat pretty good by Louisville or whatever, that they were still they were still bringing Stokes back. But what worried me more about it than anything is he was talking about Willy row Reeves, who I love, and I heard you say something. I heard that you know, they was bragging on him. Don't you think that some of these top programs are gonna come after him, and I let me say one more.

00:38:35
Speaker 7: Thing then I'll leave you.

00:38:36
Speaker 14: About the kid from you? How about the kid from New Jersey. I can't think of his name. It was playing so well because even on the field of.

00:38:44
Speaker 9: That, I don't know who taking Mikyle appreciates you, brother.

00:38:48
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call. Who's he talking about there? Do you know kid from New Jersey? I'm not sure now I'm not sure either. Yeah, you know. Yeah, the first part of what he said, the kid from New Jersey threw me off. I tried to answer his first one. What was it?

00:39:07
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure.

00:39:08
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sitting here to going.

00:39:10
Speaker 2: Through the after somebody cutter was a cutter?

00:39:13
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I think those kids. I think cutters back Willie Rodriguez. I can't say that I know but kids from Kentucky. Right. But will he have other opportunities? Yes, of course he will, I think. And again, in this rev share world where we're gonna have every school is gonna have money, including us, I think the dudes part of the part of what I hear coaches say. And I don't know if this will be true or not. We'll have to let it play out and see. But coaches believe that the fact that all these schools are gonna have rev share money means they'll be able to keep their guys who want to stay and give them raises. I'm gonna assume that's probably true. So while I do think there'll be other schools that want them, I think Willie'll come back now for his senior year. Allah Dane Key. Might he go somewhere else, Yeah, I could see that, but he's just I believe he's just a sophomore. I would expect those guys, because they're from Kentucky, to be back. I would assume Kentucky will take guys like Willie Rodriguezn't Cutter Bowley and make bringing them back a priority. One person on the show thread here this is Sam, says, Matt, didn't you say a while back that the money was there, uh for a buyout? Yes, when we were under the assumption we were going to finish three and nine. I mean the amount of people who have, let me give you the realities of k athletics. There are only a handful of people who give the amount of money to football where anyone where that where like they kind of make the decisions. That's just the reality. Basketball is a little different because there are a lot of people that give money and it's more spread out football. In order for a change like this to occur, you're gonna have to have a handful of people who are behind it. And I think there had been an acceptance early in the year, especially after that South Carolina and Georgia game, that if we finished three and nine, we can't continue this. But I think after they won some of these games, some of those people who you have to remember, really like Mark Stoops, have friendships with him. It's part of the reason the reason we have a roster at all is a handful of people. There's only a handful of people that use that paid the anial that got us a roster at all. I think those people, and I think Mark Stoops got reinvigorated, and I at that point am not sure that money exist Now. Now if we lose by thirty to Louisville, then that might be a different situation. But yes, things changed from when we it looked like we were gonna become three and nine. Just remember what it was like then. We were getting destroyed. It felt like the teams it was about to quit. We had the cows outa thing. It's different now, even though today was a huge step back. Who's next, Ed, go ahead? Ed, Ed, Yes, sir, yeah, can you hear me? Yes? I can.

00:42:15
Speaker 15: Okay, Hey, I'm ready for change, and let's get a go fund. They going with the fans.

00:42:22
Speaker 14: We can get we can make change and that's all.

00:42:25
Speaker 1: All right, thank you.

00:42:26
Speaker 16: Ed.

00:42:27
Speaker 2: Cameron Miller's from New Jersey.

00:42:29
Speaker 1: That's him. He played a little bit tonight, not a lot, but or I think he I think he got played a little bit. Well. The announcers, I believe, mentioned him once. Did you see the pass in the Harvard Yale game that they called a completion? It's online. The ball bounced twice twice, it bought. The ball bounced twice and the receiver caught it, and they still called it a touchdown, called it a completion. Wat's the play? The guy drops it and I think it bounces twice and then he keeps running and they catch it and call the touchdown. And I assume at the Harvard Yale level they don't have replay.

00:43:09
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, they don't have replay there.

00:43:11
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they certainly have the money for it, but I don't know if they if they do it for the football games, but I saw it earlier tonight on social media, and assuming it was an AI, which I don't think it was, it was one of the worst football call, maybe the worst football call I've ever seen in my life. Who's next, Let's go to Rick, Rick, go ahead, Rick, call him that.

00:43:33
Speaker 17: But the only thing I had to say about this whole football deal I've watched it for years is Mark Street's facial expression throughout the last two quarters was terrible. It was he just looked beat down. Yeah, and then at the end at the conference thing he done afterwards he said, well, Cutter Boley's got a good future ahead of him. He didn't say or anything he said Cutter bowl with a future?

00:44:04
Speaker 1: Was that in the press conference or with Tom?

00:44:08
Speaker 17: With Tom? I think I was listening too.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I didn't hear that, But that's interesting. I didn't if he said that, that's his interesting wording.

00:44:20
Speaker 17: Well, that's what that's he said. Gunner Bully has done great. He's come on and come back, you know from the angry thing there, and then he said he's got a great future ahead of him.

00:44:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he does. I think that future's here, I'd be very surprised. I mean, could he could? Could he? I mean, anything can happen. I appreciate the call. Anything could happen. I remember two years ago John cal Perry did an interview on a Tuesday said arm in arm with Mitch and they talked about how they were going to rebuild the program, and on Saturday was gone, right. So so anything can happen. But I would be I I think there's a very very good chance. I believe Drew and Ryn and I'll put it this morning at ninety percent that Cutter Bowie would be back next year. And I think that's true almost regardless of who the coach is, because I don't think they would hire a coach without seeing what he wanted. So I think you'll I would be very surprised, very surprised, Billy if Cutter's not the coach.

00:45:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think is not backed. I don't think Stoops's comments there were pointed to anything. It was just him given prise to Cutter.

00:45:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay a Feb nine, two eight oh twenty two eighty seven. Uh, we're gonna I guess we're going a little long here, But We're gonna do that, and we will take a break and come back for a final segment. This is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show Welcome Back. It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show A Feb Nine, two eight oh, twenty two eighty seven. Uh, the Georgia Tech it is twenty eight fourteen or I'm I'm still hoping for Ryan's sake, Georgia Tech can come back.

00:46:04
Speaker 2: What was a line do you remember?

00:46:06
Speaker 1: Uh? It was I think two and a half for Georgia Tech. Uh. You asked me a question right before we went to break and ask it again there because I think it's a it's a.

00:46:15
Speaker 2: Good gan right after we went to break.

00:46:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, right after we went to break.

00:46:18
Speaker 2: Well, I was just saying that you really do have to walk a fine line being friends with coaches when you have to also be the postgame show host and make comments like.

00:46:27
Speaker 1: But I'm not I keep saying this, I'm really not friends with I've been friends with two people, Dwayne Peev who's gone and Vince Merrill, who's gone. And you know, there was a time I had a decently close relationship with Cal but then that ended. But yes, I mean it's almost impossible. I mean I barely know Mark Pope, like we've we've talked a handful of times. But the number one thing is to like be true to what I think, because you can't do this job otherwise. But I also, like, you know, I think Kentucky's in a really difficult spot. They have a fan base face that has some people. Probably a majority of the fans are kind of over Stoops, but a majority of the donors like Stoops, so you gotta Usually it's the other way around, by the way, usually the donors are the people that push coaches out. But here that most of our donors are donors because Stoops brought them in. I don't think Billy people think about that. Yeah, Like the biggest football donors, most of them did not donate to UK football before Stoops got here. He brought them in. So it's just natural. It's gonna be harder for them to flip on it.

00:47:52
Speaker 2: But we can't be beholden to the donors.

00:47:54
Speaker 1: Okay, So then where do you get the money if you don't get it from the donors when you're already having to the school for the UK Athletics used to be self funding. We actually used to give money back to the school, but now because of NIL we have to give twenty two million dollars in rev share For the first time since I've been doing this, UK has had to take a loan, and UK Athletics, I think, took a loan to kind of catch up with all this. So when you say I agree with you, we shouldn't be beholden to the donors. But if you have to pay a thirty seven million dollar buyo, how do you do it if you don't get it from the donors?

00:48:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:48:35
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the Hey, you can't just skip over that, right, You can't just skip over that, Like you have to come up with the money. That's like going I'd like to buy a car. Well I don't have the money. You can't just skip over that.

00:48:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did save yourself a lot of money not having to pay cows buyout, but that's not you know, money, they're available.

00:48:55
Speaker 1: But the money was there for cows buyout if they wanted to.

00:48:57
Speaker 2: Do it, cause the donors want and Cal gone see.

00:49:03
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's the thing Cal had col had actively made the donors mad. The donors like Mark Stoops that makes it hard. I'm not saying that he should come back. I think objectively, I feel like I've said this a lot. I think objectively it would be better for Kentucky football in a lot of ways if there was a change of direction. But I also know there are a lot of practical problems for making that happen. Whereas last year. Last year was a flip, some of our fans won it, or two years ago, some of our fans wanted to keep cal but the donors were done. And this is just the opposite situation.

00:49:44
Speaker 2: Well, the conference pays out money every year, but this revenue share, Dad's put a wrinkle into things because that's a lot of money you've got to give back to athletes that you could be using for buyout instead those two.

00:49:55
Speaker 1: I think if there was not here, if they didn't have to pay the twenty two million, then that's a different situation. But you know, if you're balancing a budget, you all of a sudden got twenty two million dollars added to your budget with no like, with no what's what's the word I'm looking for? You had no like notice. It just happened right like like almost overnight, And I just think a lot of schools are having to deal with that, and the ones that are having to also do that and pay buyouts, they got to have some donor to pay for it. I think at LSU, wasn't it the case like a couple of guys paid for it.

00:50:37
Speaker 2: LSU is a whole different situation.

00:50:39
Speaker 1: But all these schools that got rid of their coaches, they had like one or two donors step up and pay the buyout. And I just don't know if Kentucky has that. Who's next, James, James, Go ahead, James, How.

00:50:52
Speaker 18: You doing that?

00:50:52
Speaker 17: Man?

00:50:53
Speaker 1: I'm good.

00:50:56
Speaker 18: You know how we talk about in basketball they play for the name on a free instead of one on the back. Yes, I think we need more kids like that, more kids from Kentucky like Cutter.

00:51:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean if we had a team full of guys from Kentucky, we'd lose every game by fifty. I mean, we got the best kids from Kentucky. The best kids from Kentucky can compete with anybody. The problem is this state produces like eight of those a year, maybe ten, and some of them are gonna go to one or two of them will be from the Catholic schools in Louisville and they're gonna have dreamed of going to Notre Dame or Ohio State and so Kentucky. And then you're gonna have a couple of kids from Louisville who are gonna want to go to U of L. So when it all comes out, like we'll get like half of them, which will be like four or five, you can't build a roster like that in the SEC.

00:51:52
Speaker 18: I can get. I understand that part, but it just seems like with his recruiting or where we are based at, it seems like it'd be so easy for him to get players out, especially where he's from Ohio Youngstown.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: Well he did, but the guy that recruited Ohio, they were kind of guy that recruit Ohio went to Louisville. But the other part of it is like you have to remember the states, sir, we compete against. Do you know how many athletes come from Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, Georgia. They produce it. They produce, Yeah, I mean they produce I mean, I bet you in the state of Georgia there's one hundred dudes that are as good as the top five or six from Kentucky. That's just like, that's just the reality of being in the SEC.

00:52:42
Speaker 18: I agree, but we at least have to get them to buy into that idea. I agree with that for sure.

00:52:50
Speaker 1: For they are You're exactly right, appreciate the call. For sure, you do you have to do that that I agree with. Uh, let's do five more.

00:53:00
Speaker 2: Who's Tennessee up twenty eight to zero on Florida right now?

00:53:03
Speaker 1: First half? Yeah, I kind of felt like that was gonna be a route but Florida because but you know, Florida played Old Miss really close last week, but it just felt like Tennessee was gonna pound them. Who's next one?

00:53:14
Speaker 2: Joel is up next?

00:53:15
Speaker 1: Joe, We'll do five more? Go ahead, Joel.

00:53:18
Speaker 7: Hey, let's let's make sure we're clear on something. The difference between a five and six Kentucky team and a three and eight Kentucky team are two horrible SEC teams who fired their coaches mid season. Are you kidding me? We just got manhandled and embarrassed by Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt are we are? Are you serious?

00:53:40
Speaker 1: Yeah? What are you talking about me? Or are you talking about uk.

00:53:44
Speaker 17: UK?

00:53:45
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean.

00:53:47
Speaker 7: We just got embarrassed. We did not get it. They're good teams everything else, but who I don't care no more. I am, I am, I am fed up. I'm over it. I don't care if we beat Louisville fifty and go to some bull crap dunkin Donuts bowl. I'm not watching. I'm done. I don't care. I understand about the money, I get.

00:54:09
Speaker 1: That, but I say something respectfully back to you. You wouldn't have. You wouldn't have called this show if you didn't care. You care like you you.

00:54:19
Speaker 7: Can't No, I care because I want to say good, just like enough. But I want to think it's not true.

00:54:25
Speaker 1: It's not true that it's not true that you don't care. You care. You know, nobody stands up and calls. Nobody calls a postgame show after we lose forty five to seventeen and gives a completely reasonable opinion, but hang on, hang On gives a completely your opinions reasonable. But you do care. So once we acknowledge that you care, because you care, so then the question there's a question here. The question then the question becomes how if you were Mitch Barnhardt, what would you do? No, having the set of facts that I've told you and that you seem.

00:55:03
Speaker 7: To agree with what would you agree? I totally agree, then what would you? But how's everybody else doing it? And I get what you're saying about boosters and everything else. Maybe the boosters need to step up and say, Okay, we love Mark. Look, I'll be the first to tell Mark spoots Spoots, I'll shake his hand. I appreciate some of the I want.

00:55:23
Speaker 1: To go through this with you, but just take the emotion down a notch and just talk this through with me, okay, because I think that's a good conversation. All Right, I'm putting you in charge. You're Mitch Barnhart. What's what's your first name, sir? It's Joel, Joe Joe. You're the A D. You believe that there needs to be a change, but change MAKEE talk me through how you're gonna do it.

00:55:50
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I don't know.

00:55:52
Speaker 1: The answer, right, Okay, fair enough?

00:55:54
Speaker 7: Okay, It's like, okay, I don't know the finances. Okay, so give me an.

00:55:59
Speaker 1: Idea, give me some ideas. Okay.

00:56:01
Speaker 7: First of all, first of all, let's let's go through the past. Okay, let's go through the last few years.

00:56:06
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I can't do anything about the past. I want you go let's go forward, going forward. I think Mitch, if you got him in church and got him to like promise that he wouldn't lie, Mitch would tell you given that contract to Mark was a mistake. But it's but that exists. Okay, So now what do we do?

00:56:31
Speaker 7: We got to figure something out with the money.

00:56:32
Speaker 1: Okay, So how are we gonna do it? Though? Figure not a figure something out? It's not a solution. What are we doing?

00:56:41
Speaker 7: So are we going to are we going to rely on because we can't find the money, We don't have the money. We don't want to pay somebody out thirty forty one million dollars in sixty days that we're going to put a product out there with the same coach.

00:56:53
Speaker 1: But you just haven't given me a solution. And that's my point. It's it's easy to I am not saying. I mean, I'm you're probably stronger in your position than I am on it. But I'm not saying you're wrong. But I'm saying to you, just saying, Okay.

00:57:09
Speaker 7: But I'll tell you what, I'm probably one of twenty to thirty and forty thousand to probably build this way, all right? So what so, where's you're gonna hitch it is? It's gonna hit you in a pocketbook next year when season tickets come around and I'm nobody.

00:57:24
Speaker 1: This is why I think it's a catch twenty two. I think it's a catch twenty two. I think you're hitting why When the season started, you may remember, Joe, I said the worst what's the worst thing that could happen? Finish five and seven? That's the worst thing that could happen, because I mean, the conundrum.

00:57:42
Speaker 7: The Saturday, the conundrum Saturday.

00:57:45
Speaker 1: But what if we win?

00:57:46
Speaker 7: Kentucky fans they don't really care about this game of Saturday. Well, fans don't really care about it.

00:57:51
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you maybe know how fans are. May I appreciate the call, Joe. I'm trying to have a conversation with you, man, I really am, and I like you gotta go back and forth. I agree with you. Kentucky and Louiell fans don't really care about it. But everybody's gonna watch it. But five and seven is the worst for the reasons you just articulated. Because you're right, a lot of fans are not gonna buy into the program next year. But I also don't know if they have the money to buy them out, and so here we are.

00:58:21
Speaker 2: You could have like a car wash the car wash, yeah, or you can a former players if they got any money.

00:58:30
Speaker 1: Now again, this could all change. If we lose fifty to nothing to Louisville, then there might be a universal agreement. I'm just telling you. I feel like I'm I'm just telling you the reality of where it is. I'm not making these decisions, but it's a tough spot because I agree with you, fans are fed up. But then you got to find a way to actually pay for all this. Who's next, Dave, Dave, go ahead.

00:59:01
Speaker 4: Dave, Hey, Matt, let's have a quick comment and a question for you. I don't think Mark Stoops is the coach to lead us into the new era for real, because if we get rid of Bush Hammon and we're just renting and repeating, it feels like but I'm more furious that Mitch, and I'm surprised more people aren't furious at him for doing this contract. I understand the time, but does he consult with the donors and things when he does these contracts? When he did that contract for the major bio. Does he consult with the donors about that question?

00:59:33
Speaker 1: Stuffs you know, I don't know about I don't know if he consults with the donors. Here's here's how I think all these contracts occurred. When they happen. I'm with you these kind specifically the col I understand why he had to do the cow one more than I understand why he had to do this stoops one. Specifically, the sixty days part. The sixty days part is where Kentucky is is screwed. Now, there's always the possibility Mark could waive that and say you can pay me overtime. But the problem is the sixty days part. The problem is that it's doing sixty days and how did Mitch let that happen. Well, the only people that have oversight over those contracts is the board of trustees in Eli Cappeluto, And I think anybody who knows anything about UK athletics will tell you that Eli Cappoloto kind of trust Mitch and agrees to what he says. So I guess in theory the board of trustees would be the people who could stop it. But generally speaking, the board of trustees are people picked by the governor. When that contract happened, it was probably half Bevin half Basher people. They're on it usually because like either they're big donors or else their business people or like so you know what I mean. It's not people who are kind of dialed into the day to day. So the reality is Mitch probably had very little oversight in making that decision.

01:01:00
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm just I can't. I can't stand that he put us in this position. And I know I feel bad for Mark Stoops. I appreciate everything he did, but like I said, I just don't think he's the coach that can take us to the mid tier consistently and the you know, doing the sec like being competitive in it. And I hate to say that, but that's just how I feel. But I'm not just serio as it Mitch.

01:01:22
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. I think the a very reasonable opinion is to be upset at Mitch Barnhart for that contract because the sixty day provision is kind of I don't think any other coach in the country has that provision. How did that happen? Now, there's always a world where Stoops waives that provision and then they probably see if it wasn't for the sixty days. I think the buyo would not be prohibitive. The sixty days part is what makes it prohibitive. Maybe Mark Stoops, if he doesn't want to coach here anymore, says I'll waive that you can pay it to me over time, because if that were the case, they could probably do it. But then he has all the leverage. The reality is Mark Stoops has all the leverage in all this. He has all the leverage. And that's why, you know, four weeks ago it was so difficult to see him gone. Now after tonight we're kind of you see where we are? Three more? Who's next? Walker? Walker? Go ahead? Walker?

01:02:27
Speaker 6: Hey man? First time?

01:02:28
Speaker 16: Long time?

01:02:28
Speaker 1: Who are what's up?

01:02:31
Speaker 6: Man?

01:02:32
Speaker 16: I live down here in Nashville. I was raised in Nicholasville and rough day in Nashville. But yeah, you know, you keep talking about, yeah, right, the money's there, we just keep choosing.

01:02:43
Speaker 19: The wrong guys, like.

01:02:45
Speaker 16: Other than the obvious thing, don't choose the wrong guys. Who's making the final decision on the players.

01:02:51
Speaker 1: It's a great question, I think for I think in recent years it's been Eddie Graham in the last in the last two or three years, I think kind of final call on roster has gone to Eddie Graham. Before that, I think Eddie had a little bit to do with it. I think Vince had a little bit to do with it. And where there were disagreements, Mark Stoops kind of mediated it, and there were often disagreements. But now I think it's in. It's pretty much Eddie Graham that.

01:03:23
Speaker 16: Decides, Yeah, well it's got to be figured out, man.

01:03:27
Speaker 1: But go gets appreciate the call, and we just lost our parlay as Haines King throws an interception that's run back for a Touchdow Ryan So Ryan Lemon. I felt good about this one too, though, except that pick, but I still thought he was right. I thought Georgia Tech would win this game. Two more. Who's next step, Steven? Go ahead, Steven, Oh.

01:03:51
Speaker 19: Yeah, I just had a question for you more on defensive situation. You know how Stoop's was part of state coordinator for a while that he came back, and I was just wondering, like tonight with watching the defense, why he doesn't run a stunt or like he runs more of a nickel defense, and tonight with Paba, he could just run a stunt and have this defensive ends or run a free safety bullets and then come in. And I just want your thoughts on that.

01:04:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not the guy to asked that. I'm not you know, I could fake an answer, but I'm really not an excellent guy to be able to answer that. So I appreciate the call. That's probably a that's probably a question for Adam Luckett or Pcoro or something that's not my So I'm just not I could fake an answer, but that wouldn't be fair to you. I'll give another one since I w wasn't able to answer that one. So two more. Who's next, James? James? Go ahead, James.

01:04:54
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I got a question from Att.

01:04:59
Speaker 1: Yes, if you it would do you?

01:05:02
Speaker 9: Madd Jones wants here next year?

01:05:06
Speaker 1: Do I want him? Yes? I think it would be better for I think it would be better for the program for it to be somebody else. Uh okay, so do I think? Well let me just let me let me clarify that, because I'll the difference is like that will like get on him. You know, Matt thinks he should be gone. There's I don't do I think he should be fired as of today? My answer would be no, because I think firing somebody is a different situation. But do I think in a perfect world it would be better if we started a new regime next year? Yes, So that is the that's that's the difficulty for me. I don't think he deserves to be fired, but I also think we need a new coach, and so we're kind of like stuck in my opinion. Now, go ahead with the second.

01:05:58
Speaker 9: Point, and you think she'll be here in three years, No, I.

01:06:03
Speaker 1: Do not know.

01:06:06
Speaker 13: Him.

01:06:06
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong. I mean, that's why I want to because I don't think he's going to be here in three or four years. That's why I think it would be good to have a change now. But do I think Kentucky, with the realities of the economic world, can afford to pay thirty seven million dollars today and then go pay another whatever it will take to bring a new coach in. Do I think they can do that unless there's something I don't know. I don't I don't know where it's coming from.

01:06:37
Speaker 6: Now.

01:06:38
Speaker 1: If you told me though, if you told me though that, if you if you told me there's a guy out there, a booster that we have like some oil guy or tech guy that went to Kentucky that will write a check for thirty seven million dollars and sign it and walk away. Then I would say then I would say, yeah, we probably to do it.

01:07:01
Speaker 9: If we lose fifty against Losull Why would they do it? Then?

01:07:05
Speaker 1: I don't think they will.

01:07:08
Speaker 9: I just it just doesn't make any sense.

01:07:11
Speaker 1: But I mean again, do you let me ask you a question, sir, do you know who would do it? Do you know who would do it?

01:07:16
Speaker 6: No?

01:07:16
Speaker 1: I have no.

01:07:16
Speaker 9: Idea exactly, but I would. I would. I would take three different coaches the next three years, as long as one of them, okay, you can hire.

01:07:25
Speaker 1: Still would cost us thirty seven million dollars. Though to do that, Who's up next?

01:07:31
Speaker 2: Marcus will end it?

01:07:32
Speaker 1: Marcus?

01:07:33
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Marcus, Hey, buddy, clarify something for me.

01:07:40
Speaker 15: You say that the three wins the administration or Mitch I guess what, would have had no no choice but to fire March Tups.

01:07:49
Speaker 1: Yes, that's how I feel.

01:07:51
Speaker 15: Yeah, does two wins really make that much of a financial difference where probably twenty thousand more people?

01:08:00
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think you're looking at it for ye, I don't think I think you're looking at it the wrong way. First of all, I think the amount of people I do think there will be fewer people by season tickets next year if they finish five and seven. I don't think that number will be as dramatic as you think it will. It won't be twenty thousand fewer people. I mean, the reality is that the vast majority of people that buy season tickets will do it anyway. There will, in my opinion, be some, but I think it'll be a small amount. I mean, I'm not sure what was the difference in like, what was the difference in season ticket sales last year to this year.

01:08:38
Speaker 15: I want to say I could it was like ten thousand or so or something.

01:08:43
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I mean, I don't think it. I thought it was like twelve hundred. Maybe it was ten thousand. If it was, I'll stay in corrected. But I actually think it was it was down, but I don't think it was a massive number.

01:08:57
Speaker 15: Well, let me ask you this. If you say, if if it was three, he would have had Mitch would have had no choice.

01:09:03
Speaker 1: I think you have to think about how that would have been. Say that again, what if the donor said, what.

01:09:09
Speaker 15: Now, what if the donors weren't backing that had he won three, would the school have still made the change?

01:09:17
Speaker 1: What if the donors weren't backing.

01:09:19
Speaker 15: What what if the donors were not paying that buy out?

01:09:23
Speaker 1: I think then though they So this is just my take on it. You have to remember, think about these weeks when we beat Auburn, Florida and Tennessee Tech. Right, think about what those weeks were like. Now, imagine what it would have been like if we had lost those games. Then I think your guess that ten thousand people might not renew Susan tickets would have become a lot more of a thing. There would have been nobody at the Florida game, nobody at the Tennessee Tech game. They would have been booed off the field, you know, those kind of things. Like then it's a different situation, you know. I think you go back to Joker Phillips. The reason I think Joker ultimately got fired was the scene at that UK Vandy game. Were you there? You may, I mean you may have been, no, but there was no one there. By the end. It was empty. People were booing, and I think Mitch Barnhardt had a moment where he was like, I just can't do this. I thought if we lost to Auburn and Florida, that would be the Tennessee Tech game. I thought the Tennessee Tech Game would be that moment. It didn't happen. Because it didn't happen. The UK athletic department is so insular they don't really hear from the public. Mitch Barnhardt has said he doesn't read social media, he doesn't read the media. He only reads emails. Who emails you know what I mean. So I think they needed probably this public moment of fan revolt that ultimately, Sir, I don't think happened. So that to me is the difference between three and eight and five and six. Fair enough, man appreciate the call. That's just my take on it. But I remember going back because I was just starting. I remember going back before that Vandy game and I had someone tell me when Joker Phillips was the coach before that Vandy game. I think Mitch is gonna bring him back. And I believe that year we were like two and ten or something like that, two and nine. I think we only played eleven games in and then that and day happened and it flipped. I don't think that day happened this year. Today was a bad day and we'll have to see what happens with Louisville. So that's my take on it. I think this situation you're hearing is a little bit of why next week is such a big deal. Thank you, folks very much for staying up. Billy, you've been here all day. Go hang out with your fiance and we will see you all later. This has been the Local Toy Dealers KSR post game.

01:12:00
Speaker 6: Ye