Pod Meets Twirl'd: Survivor 5005

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Speaker 1: Welcome to pod meets t World, a podcast that one's chronicled. Two guys who had never seen Dancing with the Stars but watched a season and somehow walked away experts.

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Speaker 2: From there, we ventured into Traders, a show I'd never seen, but one Will swore he could win. And now we turn.

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Speaker 1: To Survivor season fifty, the Big One, and this time the roles are reversed. Will has seen exactly one season, the first one. Meanwhile, I've watched for years. We are Wilford l who prefers his wilderness with room service, and Right or Strong, who will hike any mountain but hates the beach. Two best friends, one devoted to the comforts of civilization, one who would never leave the woods if he could. Both reality competition scholars yep, join us as we dive into Alliance's blind sides, fire making, sand related misery, and twenty five years of television history culminating in a single massive season.

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Speaker 2: This is Odd meets Twirled Seeking Immunity. Yes, all right?

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Speaker 1: In your journey through Survivor, how did this episode didn't make you feel better?

00:01:09
Speaker 2: Are you still not into it? I'm still my god, I don't like the show. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's literally just people sitting around lying to each other and and having our awful conversations about who to aids.

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Speaker 1: Is no traders completely that with samon locks being taken, there's all it.

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Speaker 3: Is three people lying on traders, everyone else telling the truth. The point is to go and find the liars in this wonderful pageantry. It's so over the top and crazy. This takes itself so seriously and it's just it's five minutes let's walk on the beach and and and and uh swim in the ocean to Untie Knots, and then ninety minutes of them.

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Speaker 2: Going who should we kick off? I think we should kick this person off. I think we should kicked it.

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Speaker 3: And then people sitting there like staring at the camera. The people are annoying. I like nobody.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the show.

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Speaker 3: This is.

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Speaker 1: This is This gets to the heart of like a major difference between you and me in that we both like a reality show where people I think are sort of tasked with the same thing, which is do you trust people or do you not?

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Speaker 2: Right? Whereas I think you like a level of.

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Speaker 1: Irony and humor and sort of like playfulness, yes, and I like a certain level of like life or death steaks or earnestness. But again, there's no life or death. Like Sue and I were watching last night and she's like, what happened to the chickens?

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Speaker 3: What do they do with the chickens? Are do they kill the chickens? Do they get eggs with the chickens?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just don't, don't.

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Speaker 3: I know, they don't know any of that. What's going on? Do they get the chicken? Are these people eating? Are they not eating? It is a high school cafeteria, which is the worst place in the world.

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Speaker 2: Put on an island, that's all it is.

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Speaker 1: But they're at least they're on an island, and they really are struggling. They are starving at all. I know, you're you're just you're just seeing the way that they're editing it. I totally get that, and but but it's increasing the stakes for them in a way that when they are deciding whether to trust each other or not, they're literally going to eat or not or you know, like the whereas like traders, I just look at it and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is just like fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, mostly rich people sitting around playing like a board game for ten days.

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Speaker 3: It's a fun game. Well again, some people are rich, some people aren't. And survivors the same way. You know, some of these survivors have made a ton of money being reality stars, but the same way.

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Speaker 1: You know, the stakes are so much. Don't in survivor showing me any of this. I know, but you but they are like we had Sophie on the show, like she telling me, right, but.

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Speaker 3: A good television show, I should be able to have never seen it before, come in and get what the show is. I shouldn't have to talk to somebody who's seen the other forty nine episode of forty nine seasons to tell me the Hey, here's what they're not showing you. Here's why it's really tough. Well, then you're showing me half a story. A good show anybody should could be it. You never saw Traders, you sat down, you got it right away. Because every season is kind of the same format.

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Speaker 2: They do this.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't get into a show where it's like I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm just supposed to have seen.

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Speaker 3: All of the episodes before, and that's how I'm supposed to have known what's going on. So they're going to take out the survivor of Survivor and just make it for the people that are already fans.

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Speaker 2: That's bullsh But.

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Speaker 1: See, I think what's funny is that the what you're actually seeing on screen is identical. They're just in Traders, They're just in nice outfits in a nice castle eating loss.

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Speaker 2: See I disagree. It's like literally and they're like playing.

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Speaker 1: They're like walking around like a beautiful grounds and like everyone's in crazy outfits. So it has this, like I said, this level of like distance and iron h to it. That for you makes it more fun because it's like, like the stakes are never supposed to be high, whereas this you're mad that the stakes are implied to be higher, but you don't get to experience those high stakes.

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Speaker 2: Well it's got to be one. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 1: If it's a high stakes thing, show me the high what's actually happening is identical. Like the complaint that you have for Survivor you could apply to Traders. No, but it's not a group of liars. But Traders is not twenty liars. They pit they purposely pick three liars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, watching decide whether they can trust each other or not.

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Speaker 3: Right right, But it's but again, but again, when when they're all at Tryina and I'm jumping ahead, but when they're all tribal council later.

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Speaker 2: One of the things the tribal councils.

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Speaker 3: By the way, if I have to hear the music in the background of these tribal councils one more time, I'm going to start swinging on whoever sitting next to me. So I feel bad. It's awful. It's like, oh my god, up. So they're sitting there, Will we got angry?

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Speaker 1: Will this sport?

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Speaker 2: Oh God? They're sitting there? Because I'm like, how, how? What? What?

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Speaker 3: This is a show made for people that are already fans of this show.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's all this is. So they even say like.

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Speaker 3: They're sitting there and they're going, oh yeah, I know that I'm being put this there. I'm here with twenty six amazing liars, and the first thing that goes in my head is like, how does Ryder like this?

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Speaker 2: He hates lying, he hates people that lie.

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Speaker 3: And now not only that, but they're not even showing the thing that Rider would love is the actual survival skills.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's just the lying. How does Ryder still like the show? I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't wrap my head around it. I don't like a lot of the people. Some of them are fine. I've connected with nobody. So again, if you don't know who these people are going in, you don't learn anything about them at all. So it's just, hey, man, I hate her, and oh my god, I'm gonna hand you my jacket?

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Speaker 2: Why what? What did Is that something I should know?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, then cut back to what happened in a last season to show me why she wanted to hand somebody her jacket.

00:06:43
Speaker 2: It's like he might as well. Somebody might turn.

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Speaker 3: Around and go choop boop, but choop poop, and everybody goes, oh my god, he didn't, and I'm going, what, What's what's going on? So they're literally just making this show for people who already watch this show, and that's a dumb ass way to do it. No.

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Speaker 2: I totally get your criticism.

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Speaker 1: I totally get your complaints, but I think, like the blanket thing, you could see what was going on, Like I, that didn't need to be established that she just was doing a nice thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, she said it was important for me to hand over my jacket, and they're like, that was a great way to end a great wrap around. They're clearly stating that this had happened in the past and somebody had handed her jacket or some it was a callback to her season.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get that.

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Speaker 1: I literally just thought it was like, no, oh, she's just gonna be nice and give them something to keep them warm, even though they voted her out.

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Speaker 3: That's why they all looked at her and they're like, oh, man, that's so cool that you did the saying that happened that we're not explaining at all awesome, And I was like, what the.

00:07:42
Speaker 2: Hell is going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I guess that, man, But I still think it's funny to I think it's like I think, yeah, like, I think this season is not the not a good one for.

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Speaker 2: You to come in on. Oo, I gotta start earlier ones. Apparently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm surprised that you can't, like cause, like, what you're actually watching, to me is truly not that different, except in tone, not.

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Speaker 2: Just tone, but also the care.

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Speaker 3: It's also casting because the there's such characters on Trader that you and I are still going, I tink, I'm gonna watch season Trade exactly stuff like that, and none of these people stand out.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that distancing. I think that like, that's that earnestness thing.

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Speaker 1: That like I've always loved when people are you know, you're saying, well, yeah, I guess. So it's like, no, it's not even that because they're not all lying. I think they're all trying to you know, forge alliances, and they just are finding themselves in a position where they have to lie, or they have to leave out information, or they have to you know, deal with Lyne in a way that on Traders, there's an assumption, especially if you're a trader, that that's what's going to happen, and so there's no there's like the stakes are just so like like what it came down to with Traders when Rob won last season.

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Speaker 2: It's like you couldn't fault him.

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Speaker 1: You could never say, like this person is a good or bad person, even though what he was doing was pretty objectively bad. Because of the level of distancing that the show creates around its gameplay, it's like it's all up for grabs, like you could be you could go in pretending with an accent, and you know, if you weren't a celebrity and like everyone would be like fair game, they.

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Speaker 2: Won, or you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: Whereas in Survivor there's a level of like you're here to like be your best self, to truly reveal yourself. You're like, we're gonna strip you down. It's like the psychological spermen. We're gonna strip you of your social conventions, You're clothing literally, you're like the shirt off your back. We're gonna strip you down, take away all the tools of your normal life, your money, your car, your house, your whatever your comfortable American life is. We're gonna strip all that away and put you with other people and see how you actually act.

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Speaker 2: And I find that I know that that that's not that sounds like the first couple of seasons of the show. Yes, and I know that that's not what you're really seeing.

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Speaker 1: I get that, But I also think that you probably don't buy in, like you're just less invested in that.

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Speaker 3: No, but you say like stripping a clothes off their back. At one point, coach walks in and jeans and a shirt. Right, They're not stripping clothes off of any body's back. One guy changed three times. They only have one little bag and the clothes that they're allowed to write. I know, but so as far I mean again, they challenge is that they did was like fourteen minutes of the ninety minute show I watched. The rest of it is literally just hoping the three people you made your friends are going to.

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Speaker 2: Vote the way they said they were going to. That's the whole show. That's it. We're gonna, hey, you know who we should vote for?

00:10:21
Speaker 3: Bob?

00:10:21
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, you know we should before Bob. Oh my god.

00:10:24
Speaker 1: They didn't write Bob, they wrote you get stripped down traders to the same ridiculous thing. It's like two people are gonna keep lying. They're just gonna keep lying. Everybody else is just gonna you know, And like when you talk when you analyze what with traders, there literally was no strategy at a certain point, I feel like our analysis just got reduced to I guess you just got to trust that person or not, and like there's.

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Speaker 2: No reason like that.

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Speaker 3: But it's also you listen when when you there's something about with traders where if you know, you're specifically trying to root out one thing, we're trying to find this one liar. You're then hyper vigilant to all the things that everybody's saying.

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Speaker 2: Like, ooh, did they okay, wait, did they say that? Yes? Or did they say that?

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Speaker 3: And I don't there's no real it doesn't feel the same as it does on Survivor. And I get the idea of what you're saying sounds awesome, and I would love to watch that. And I think that's the first few seasons of Survivor, because what I think Survivor is dealing with now is the reality show whiplash, which is the Heisenberg principle, which is when nobody had seen Survivor, nobody knew what Survivor was. It's exactly that we're gonna drop you off a boat, swim to whatever island you're at. We're not giving you fire, we're not giving you any of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. No one knew what to expect.

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Speaker 3: And it's essentially, let's see if it reverts to Lord of the Flies, and eventually you're gonna have to vote each one off, which is essentially, are we killing Piggy this week or we're gonna kill somebody else who's got the conch.

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Speaker 2: Which it is. It still is, but they show none of that.

00:11:47
Speaker 3: So what it is now is it's reality TV game players who've already played this game before. Yes, who were, We're gonna nicely drive you in a boat now to separate islands, which is now just the one.

00:11:58
Speaker 2: It's a set, That's all it is, is a set.

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Speaker 3: It's no dude, I think it is still They use the same one every season.

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Speaker 1: It's harder to be on Survivor than it is to be in the Castle and Traders a thousand time. Okay, so the deprivation of your life is clearly like they're on opposite ends of a spectrum, right.

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Speaker 3: But show that if you're going to show the pageantry and the glitz of Traders, show the fact that we haven't eaten and from they're walking around, Hey do you want to scallop?

00:12:25
Speaker 2: Sure?

00:12:25
Speaker 3: Hey, here's because catching scallops. Show me that, show me that, show me the survivor. In Survivor, this was if you can't find fifteen minutes in the ninety minutes, we.

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Speaker 1: Get past like the editing produce orial question, can you accept that? Could you accept that they actually are like actually are struggling and and and starving?

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Speaker 3: Sure, the same way we had to accept they didn't actually live in the castle at Traders exactly.

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Speaker 2: Over produce well for Heaven. But when they're not show making it harder for them, one is making it easier for them. But again, it's all just special. It doesn't matter. It's all just what they're deciding to show us, and they're taking the survivor of you to accept that this is happening.

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Speaker 1: Like that, let's accept the reality that they You know, because Sophie told me, like she didn't eat for eleven days, right, She's like, let's accept that reality. Could you get into the like that? Doesn't that elevate the sort of what you're calling high school you know, shenanigans of like conversations and who's lying? Doesn't that elevate it and make it more intense? It does if it's a character.

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Speaker 3: That as somebody watching the show, if the deprivation is a character that you decide that I no longer have to see, I just have to accept they're hungry.

00:13:31
Speaker 2: No, I want to see part of that.

00:13:35
Speaker 3: If you're gonna say you've got to accept that they're deprived, but we're not going to show you they're deprived.

00:13:40
Speaker 2: Then why do I care I just have to.

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Speaker 3: That's like saying, you know, as far as I know, every night they take them to a holiday in I don't know. They're not showing me that. I have no idea. They literally walked over this time and for somebody who hasn't seen the show and opened a fresh water thing and we're getting I'm like, oh, so it's all fresh water.

00:13:58
Speaker 2: Okay, So they're you have access to freshwater. They like, there is water, access to water.

00:14:04
Speaker 3: Show me that stuff. And then Rizzo was sleeping in a boat where they get a boat. I mean, it's like, show me these things. Can they fish?

00:14:10
Speaker 2: Show me? He's honestly, yes, show me this stuff.

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Speaker 3: The idea this is where it's made for people that already watch Survivor. And so what they're saying is there's two major elements to survivor.

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Speaker 2: It it's two things. You have to survive.

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Speaker 3: You have to survive the harshness of the land and you have to survive the backstabbing of the game. And now what we're going to do is we're going to take out the harshness of the land and assume you already know that, and now you just have to be okay with that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm asking you, as my fellow co host, to have faith that that happens if if you can, because otherwise you're just going to be railing against you know, yes, but it's but that it makes.

00:14:45
Speaker 2: For bad television.

00:14:47
Speaker 3: Sure, but that's what that's all I'm asking for in television is not bad television.

00:14:52
Speaker 2: No, no, no no.

00:14:52
Speaker 1: But I think it's not bad television for those of us who have watched every single season exactly.

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Speaker 2: Or just accept that that's the given.

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Speaker 1: You know, you talk about the pageantry of traders, right, and you accept that pageantry, you accept, sure, you know, the the unreality of it in this case, you're you're having a hard time accepting the reality of it. You're saying that the unreality, which makes it look too easy for them on the surface, means that you lose interest because the reality, and I'm telling you actually the reality as far as all accounts, is exactly what you're describing, and you're not willing to accept that to enjoy the show because you're upset that the unreality is not mirroring that.

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Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm.

00:15:32
Speaker 1: Saying, Like that's like double standard.

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Speaker 3: No, what I'm saying is, as a television fan, afficionado addict. When you came into Traders, you got it right away. I didn't need to say to you, Hey, what you needed to see for the last four seasons to really understand what's going on is you have to understand they blah blah blah, and they blah blah blah and they blah blah blah. You and I could just sit down and watch the show every week. Now you're having to explain to me stuff that I don't understand because I didn't watch the first seasons. That's just a bad television show. That's a show made for people. The show every year should do a recap episode the first half of the episode. Here's what you get, you know, show them cooking a little bit. Have a if you've got a ninety minute show and you can't find seven minutes in the show to show that I'm really hungry.

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Speaker 2: There's no we overcooked this. We didn't catch any fish this week.

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Speaker 1: I honestly think what happened is that their ratings probably dropped because people got bored of the repetitive redundancy of that. And I think that you know, they they they're probably reacting to the reality that, like by I don't know, probably eight seasons in people, like I said, you know, understood what was going on, and their fan base just built around more of the gameplay, you know, And.

00:16:46
Speaker 2: I think they didn't I send you that thing? Didn't I send you that thing?

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Speaker 3: That the the Luke whatever, Luke Bryant, Luke Brown? What have the singers came out on Zach Brown. That was apparently the lowest rated episode of Survivor in history. Yeah, but again, maybe maybe go the other way. Maybe ramp it up. Like I said, you don't just lose your flint because you've already got fire burning.

00:17:05
Speaker 2: You lose your fire.

00:17:07
Speaker 3: Maybe you now have a water filtration system you have to build because you no longer have access to the fresh water. Maybe ramp up the Survivor part as opposed to ramping up just the cattiness, which.

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Speaker 2: Is all it is. It's people.

00:17:19
Speaker 3: It's I'm seeing a bunch of ten year olds backstabbing each other, going like, oh my god, I can't believe Claire just said this about you on the playground.

00:17:26
Speaker 2: And here's what we should do.

00:17:27
Speaker 3: I have an idol so that that's.

00:17:30
Speaker 2: All Traders is. That's literally all Traders is.

00:17:33
Speaker 1: But it literally Traders literally says we're going to take people and put them in a situation where they act like ten year olds like and play, but.

00:17:40
Speaker 2: They're playing a game. They're playing.

00:17:42
Speaker 3: There's children's game where three people, you know, three people are liars, not all twenty six are liars.

00:17:47
Speaker 1: Well, I totally get your criticism. I just don't see how to me, there's a double standard. I don't like Traders and not this. I think there is a.

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Speaker 3: Complete and total difference between a bunch of aventally now reality show actors, which is what.

00:18:02
Speaker 2: They are, which is all traders was again agreed.

00:18:04
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm talking about Traders, and again a lot of them are going to be mirrored that coming onto a place where it's the pageantry, three people are going to be liars. Yes, it's about who you're going to trust in kind of the fun way. And all the rules are always the same. And another one where it's exactly the same thing on an island.

00:18:20
Speaker 1: Not all the rules are always the same, the rules on Traders just as much as they're changing the.

00:18:24
Speaker 2: Rules and they're adding occasional thing, but that's not changing the rule.

00:18:28
Speaker 1: It's exactly the same. The thing that they do in Survivor, like, oh, now we have a shield. Now we can't, we won't, we won't ever agree on this. Hold on, hold, But I agree with everything you're just saying. They're exactly the same show up until when, Like, at what point are they different?

00:18:39
Speaker 2: Because what you described was exactly right. Again, there's a lot, there's a lot a lot different.

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Speaker 3: First of all, there's you get the there's more characters on Traders that are playing into the fact that they're characters. With the pageantry, with the execs, with the glamour, there's all that kind of stuff.

00:18:55
Speaker 1: It's the fact that people on Survivor take themselves seriously that bothers you.

00:18:58
Speaker 3: No, what bothers me is it's a show called Survivor that doesn't show surviving at all.

00:19:03
Speaker 2: I'm saying, have faith that they are actually no, and that the editing is not that.

00:19:06
Speaker 3: No, I'm not as a viewer who doesn't watch the show need I shouldn't have to call my friend who watches the same show to explain to me the faith of why I need to watch the show.

00:19:17
Speaker 2: That's a bad television show.

00:19:19
Speaker 3: I should be able to turn on season four of the Office and not have to call my friend to ask who Michael Scott is or what he's about. You get him right away. You know what's happening. It's a good television show. I didn't need to see the first three seasons to understand what's happening on the show. And when I watch Survivor and again, I'm watching this and I'm like, they're cutting to things specifically just.

00:19:41
Speaker 2: For the fans.

00:19:42
Speaker 3: And I know, for the record, people are going to go this one's called for the fans by the fans. That's fine, I get that. But then there's a reason your ratings are dropping. And from a television standpoint, the ratings are dropping because it's inside the normal people. It's all inside base get it, just I And again it's then inside baseball with a lot of characters I just don't like.

00:20:06
Speaker 2: So in Traders, you don't you. Oh I love to hate that guy.

00:20:09
Speaker 3: Oh I love this person. Oh my god, her accent so funny. These people are just kind of despicable. And so I I'm just I haven't found anybody I'm rooting for. Literally everybody is so self aggrandizing. Here's the nickname I've given myself for this this season. And now I'm this and oh my god, Well, don't get too cocky because the Dragon's been released and I'm riz the god.

00:20:30
Speaker 2: See, that's that's what I like.

00:20:32
Speaker 1: That to me gets to the heart of like, what what what I think you have a problem with, which is that they take themselves seriously and that that that they take this if they yes, dude, it's not that take the Survivor too, but they are they're just not I'm saying, like, Okay, you're.

00:20:48
Speaker 2: Like, they're just not showing the Survivor.

00:20:50
Speaker 1: Part of your criticism of the show as the editing and the production totally, like I get it, like it's working on this meta meta level, it's it's only for the fans, totally.

00:20:59
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:21:01
Speaker 1: But I think that that's separate from your saying like I don't like these people, or that they're just acting they're acting like a caddy group of ten year olds or whatever that criticism. That's the only part I take issue with with what you're saying, because I'm like and that I take issue with it. It's just my perspective. And I think this is going back to where we started. A huge difference between you and I is that I like when people take themselves seriously. For better or worse, and I enjoy that way more than I then watching people play a character version of themselves or come in with this like you know, level of distancing that allowed, Like that level of distancing made the gameplay of Traders fun for you and made it sort of trivial and useless for me.

00:21:44
Speaker 2: On the flip side, in Survivor, them taking.

00:21:47
Speaker 1: Themselves seriously and like thinking that this is revealing their true selves and like that that they're a god if they win or not whatever, that makes Survivor tolerable for me, whereas for you it makes it intolerable.

00:21:58
Speaker 2: But actually we're describing is the same thing.

00:22:00
Speaker 1: Like we're watching reality show people compete with one another and form alliances or trust one another or not.

00:22:06
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:22:06
Speaker 3: I agree and I disagree because at the same time, something like Dungeons and Dragons I take very seriously and the people I play with get very seriously. But again, it's either likable, right, But can you play these games with Alex you got you're famous for playing all these games that you guys have game nights and do all this kind of stuff. Do you take it seriously or you guys having fun?

00:22:24
Speaker 2: We're having fun.

00:22:25
Speaker 1: No, totally, but yeah, but yeah, but I'm also not starving to death in order to do right.

00:22:30
Speaker 2: But then it then make that a part of the show. I can say.

00:22:34
Speaker 3: That's the point is, maybe I would like these characters more if I really, if I'm as a as somebody who's I'm a I'm on an island of my own, I'm in a vacuum, and this show is put on in front of me right now, this season is put on in front of me. And I don't like Riz the God, and I don't like Coach, and I don't like any of these people. But if I've seen now they haven't eaten eleven days and they're kind of losing it a bit, I'm gonna I'm gonna forgive them for that, because I'm gonna be like, dude, he's probably.

00:22:58
Speaker 2: Delusional by this point. I mean, actually, what's happening? But I don't know that I know. The point is, I don't know.

00:23:05
Speaker 1: But you could keep saying that, like when I close my eyes to go to sleep at night, how do I know the world doesn't disappear? You keep saying that we have all the evidence telling us that the reality is they are starving.

00:23:17
Speaker 2: Will they are struggling, So.

00:23:19
Speaker 3: Why don't we just do America? Why don't we do the Why isn't the next American Idol? Nobody sings? But we just know they can't. No, no, we know they can't. Other people have told us they can sing. That we don't need to see it. We have to know that off camera they're really good at singing.

00:23:35
Speaker 1: No, it's different reality having to see them practice, like because because the comparison is the word, because what they're actually competing on is the challenges which we do see start to finish, and then those determine the tribal councils which we do see start to finish.

00:23:48
Speaker 3: So those are although that is determined by how weak you are, how sleep deprived you are, how much you're you're cold, how much you're wet, how much those.

00:23:59
Speaker 1: Are the things that you have to make assumptions about or you know, coming with the.

00:24:02
Speaker 3: And you are just describing how to make a bad television show. I'm going to make this a super important part of the show that I'm not going to show you at all. You just have to assume it's happening. And I'm saying that's a bad TV show.

00:24:29
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into our recap of episode five.

00:24:32
Speaker 1: We start off with Ozzy lectured everybody back at camp, which brings up a parallel to his Cochrane season. Christian takes the blame for not telling Ozzy, which I thought was a nice moment that kind of got blown by where he's like, hey, don't blame the girls here, I've been the one that told them not to tell you. And it was like my first thought was like, that's the kind of honor and integrity that like Coach is always talking about, like that you don't actually see him do I was like, in this case, Christian was like, hey, you know I did. I had this plan. I backstabbed you and don't blame the girls. I thought that was super admirable.

00:25:07
Speaker 2: I agree.

00:25:08
Speaker 3: I also was a little scared at first because when he's like, hey, I'll catch you up and he's like too late, it's like oh yeah, I mean it's the first thing he says is just like, no, you missed.

00:25:16
Speaker 2: You missed your boat to catch me up.

00:25:18
Speaker 3: Dude, And then I felt it because I was like, oh, I would have been like wow, So then everyone's plotting against me against me if you're not gonna put I get the psychological stuff that stuff would it's so.

00:25:29
Speaker 1: And yeah, and that's what you can see, like you know how like Ozzy you know that after the opening credits, meditated in the morning, like trying to be like the bigger man, but like still feeling his feelings, you know, Like so he goes and he apologizes to Christian. They hug it out. Ozzie does, Yeah he does. Okay, Yeah, Ozzie still has his idol.

00:25:49
Speaker 2: That was gifted to him.

00:25:50
Speaker 1: I think, by Gene God, I'm losing track of how he got it.

00:25:56
Speaker 2: The Billie Eilish thing is too hard.

00:25:57
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, he says, it was trying to be Yeah, so he still got his idol. Okay, Yeah, And I you know, like I feel this man, like if you got if I, if I got backstabbed, I would have a hard.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: Time just being like gool for or games a game, you.

00:26:10
Speaker 3: Know, like cool, but you gotta I have to say something. Yeah, And it's to your point from before maybe and it's this is quite possible. This says, Oh my god, this is I need to talk to a psychiatrist kind of thing. What this could be bringing me back to is times in like middle school and high school where you find out there's a party and your friends were there and weren't invited. Totally, man, that kind of stuff it brings Maybe it's the adjuta.

00:26:34
Speaker 2: I'm feeling that it brings me back.

00:26:35
Speaker 1: To it and it's real. It's not game friends, dude, and it feels real. And that's dude. I feel the same way. This is This is why I think I would be really bad at any of these kinds of things. Is I take the ship so personally and like.

00:26:48
Speaker 2: And you know, like they talk about later on in this episode.

00:26:50
Speaker 1: I think it was Devon's at tribal Council about how important it is to see the show that you were on, to see how.

00:26:56
Speaker 2: Other people react behind your.

00:26:57
Speaker 1: Back, and I was like, yes, that's why I don't want to be out of reality because I like living in the delusional world where I'm the coolest person and like people don't talk about me behind my back and no one knows anything about me ever, Like I know that's not true, but I also don't want to see it. I don't want to hear it. I don't even This is why, like being a public figure sucks so bad, Like being on reality. It's like I like, that's what I like about being an actor is that you're within the context of the movie or the show being Traders, but being a famous person. Yeah, Traders, I think you're acting.

00:27:32
Speaker 2: That maybe the same.

00:27:33
Speaker 3: I'm drawn to it because it's like a caricature of yourself as opposed to this. But I felt that feeling of like, and we did it without social media and where it's nowadays, kids are like, wait, there's a big party and my two best friends were there and I didn't get a call. That shit happens all the time, and so I got that kind of act the man.

00:27:50
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that honesty. I think that that is getting to the heart of something.

00:27:55
Speaker 2: Why you can't enjoy this.

00:27:56
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe it feels stickier in a way for you. Yeah, I agree, man, I it's funny because I'm attracted to that ickiness in a way that.

00:28:04
Speaker 2: With the gameplay of Traders, I'm just like, who cares?

00:28:06
Speaker 3: Like, you know, there's a there's a wink and a smile with Traders, whereas this seems devious, totally and totally man and so there's a there's a meanness to the show that then people are then like, oh, come on, we're just playing a game, and it's kind of like yeah, but you slap me in the face so you can.

00:28:23
Speaker 2: You're sorry, but it still stings.

00:28:24
Speaker 1: And that's why people carry you know, That's why I like in this episode, Charlie is still carrying around that weight from his previous season, which totally works against him. You know, Like he turns on on Rizzo and you can see that those lingering feelings, man, like it's real.

00:28:38
Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, maybe that's what it is. It's there's an ickiness to this show that you don't get with Traders.

00:28:43
Speaker 2: All right.

00:28:43
Speaker 1: It's over at Cela Jonathan and Charlie and Camilla and Dee, who are the original like Calo four, and you've cut Rick kissing up to Jonathan. He's trying to be friendly with the Calo four and then de goes to Rizzo and says, would you want to work with the girls? And Rizzo's like yeah, and that of course plays out throughout the rest of the episode. Over at Callo, Coach God, I mean, I just love hate so much and when you give yourself yes, dude, this is why I can't take him seriously. It's like the ultimate douche twat and what our pod means world language. I mean, And here's the thing, I bet if I met this guy, we'd probably get along. You know, he seems smart, he's obviously like he's probably like a great person of your love.

00:29:39
Speaker 2: But on Survivor, it just.

00:29:40
Speaker 1: Seems like he can't resist slipping into this like cheeseball leadership role. I mean, obviously you call himself coach like you are already like he's already given himself the nickname of coach. Now he's got to like triple down. He has the old nickname of dragons layer. Now he's going to be the tide walker. And I just want to shoot this guy and then myself for having.

00:30:01
Speaker 2: Listened to this guy.

00:30:02
Speaker 3: And the old proverb, it's the old proverb of the the the wannabe leader who sees his entire population of people running in one direction, he says, oh, there go my people. I have to find out where they're going so I can lead them.

00:30:13
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly that's what it's like. I like that proverb that like, let me just jump in front of them and raise my hand and find out where they're going so I can lead them.

00:30:23
Speaker 1: Yes, But then also, it's just like you know, cult number one, like cult rule number one, rename people. It really is like if you look at any cult throughout history, when they get to the point where they're like, I'm going to call you this, you are a man guard this yeah, and then you just he literally knights them. He goes to Joe and he's like, and I can just see this is what he does. Man, he just creates a cult around himself and I can't And you know, these guys are so nice. I can see it on Colby's face. He's just like, sure, whatever, Japanese folklore.

00:30:55
Speaker 2: Wasn't expecting that.

00:30:57
Speaker 1: And then he's like, I'm flattered, and it's like I would totally be the same guy.

00:31:00
Speaker 2: I'd be like, sure, coach, I'll be your oak bound warrior.

00:31:02
Speaker 1: But then if you call me that again in front of people, I'm gonna say, like, dude, like, let's chill.

00:31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, not other people give you nicknames, dude. Such a cult like it's I was just like, oh, I'm a sidewalker, Like okay, exactly right.

00:31:21
Speaker 1: So then Aubrey and Tif forgetting along, and Aubrey knows that Genevieve wants her out. This is going to be the rivalry to you know, I'm sure he's going to play out throughout the rest.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Of the season.

00:31:30
Speaker 1: So Aubrey goes to Coach and makes good with Coach because he's the cult leader.

00:31:35
Speaker 2: Everybody's gonna have to make good with Coach.

00:31:37
Speaker 3: People don't seem to like Aubrey for some she just always seems like she's on the outs.

00:31:42
Speaker 1: Well, you know, she's usually she's typically been the underdog, and here she is the underdog again. But usually it was because she was sort of nerdy and like not that, and in this case, I guess that's playing into it, but it seems more like Genevieve just doesn't trust her, like she might just think she's a good player. Therefore, I don't want to play with this person. You know, she's gonna backstam me, which is a little unfair. But yeah, I feel like I would be the Aubrey on this tribe. I'd be looking around being like all these you know, dude bros playing with honor and integrity and giving ourselves oak bound nicknames, and like like coaches isn't nicknaming the girls? No, He's not going on being like I bless you, No, they haven't earned one yet. The tide Walker has not bestowed upon him.

00:32:24
Speaker 3: All.

00:32:24
Speaker 1: Right over at Cela, Charlie is still spinning his wheels out over.

00:32:29
Speaker 3: Get rid of one said no man, and I get I get why where he's like, you didn't vote for the number your number one person to win, Like you didn't win, I know, and you have to vote for one person winning, you don't vote for your number one.

00:32:44
Speaker 1: But here's the irony is that Sophie was the number one that Charlie's talking about. And Sophie was on this show, and she loves Rizzo for Rizzo, so it's Charlie's baggage more than this is actually that Rizzo did something wrong, do.

00:32:57
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

00:32:57
Speaker 3: Like he wasn't bothered at all that her her friends don't if she didn't know.

00:33:01
Speaker 2: She's still best friends with him.

00:33:02
Speaker 1: She's like the way that she talked about it on our show is like totally cool, like just loves him and is hoping he wins. So I think it's just yeah, it's just Charlie spinning out. And what I love is the way that this plays out. So he goes to Rizzo, asks him, you know, wakes him up. In the boat and says, like, who did you tell about the Billy Eilish thing, the Billie idol. Charlie says, then, well, you know, because he tells him Rizzo's honest with him. He's like, oh, I told d And then Charlie says, well, I told Jonathan, which isn't true, right, just to have like one up on Rizzo, which Rizzo then sees through doesn't believe. So that turns everybody on Charlie this one moment. So it's actually like Charlie's paranoia about Rizzo completely backfires and makes it a reality. You see what I'm saying, Like Charlie had just been like you know what, I'm gonna be the better person. I'm going to assume the best of Rizzo, he wouldn't have been voted out this episode.

00:33:57
Speaker 2: And like you see it in this moment, don't do anything completely out of character.

00:34:02
Speaker 3: Who goes and wakes up, don't knock on my boat at five point fifteen in the morning, totally like like, dude, that's even it's really aggressive, it was too weird.

00:34:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do anything weird.

00:34:12
Speaker 1: No, yes, yes, And it just goes to show that like when you're paranoid. If you activate it, you can make it a reality, do you know what I mean? Like, that's if everybody's against me, then oh my god, guess what. Eventually everybody's going to be against you?

00:34:25
Speaker 2: Did you keep acting? All right?

00:34:30
Speaker 1: So then Rizzo goes and tells D that he is the idol. He goes and gets.

00:34:34
Speaker 2: Siri on board, So now he has this alliance with Camilla, D.

00:34:38
Speaker 1: Siri, and him, which is great gameplay, you know, as much as like Rizzo's honestly kind of annoying to me, I like Charlie better as a person, I think based on what we see edited wise, at this point, I was like, Rizz is playing a good game.

00:34:50
Speaker 3: I was when it comes to Rizzo, I find him incredibly annoying. But then I realized he's also really young, absolutely talk about self adizing.

00:34:59
Speaker 2: Onl find himself and probably hungry as hell.

00:35:03
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's that kind of stuff where it's like, I'm gonna be the best player ever in the history of and he's.

00:35:07
Speaker 1: Just so high on his own supply from season forty nine, he's just like.

00:35:10
Speaker 2: Jeff said this to me, and Jeff said this, and not even to be Jef yeah, yeah, it is all right. So we get to the challenge.

00:35:19
Speaker 1: Everyone's shocked that Mike White was voted out, which got I gotta remember it's one day later, like you think about like how this game is going, you know, like they're they're showing up with this immunity challenge and they're like, oh, Mike's gone. What well?

00:35:32
Speaker 2: No, I'm just thinking.

00:35:33
Speaker 3: A joke came into my head that perfectly sums up Rizzo to me. Do you remember the joke of the It's the Old Bowl with the young Bull.

00:35:40
Speaker 2: No. Oh, so there's an old there's a.

00:35:42
Speaker 3: Father bowl, and a and a and a son bowl on the top of a cliff and they look down and they see, you know, cows everywhere, and the young bull looks up and says, Dad, I'm gonna run down there and one of those cows.

00:35:55
Speaker 2: And the dad looks at him and says, son, let's walk down there and them all. And that's what it seems like to me with Rizzo, like he's like, I'm so excited, I'm gonna win, I'm gonna do all this, and you haven't. Oh god, it's been around forever. She's so old. But it's true. It's like patient proverb proverbs are you are the proverb walker.

00:36:24
Speaker 3: I have to give myself a nickname rider. I'll find out what it is, all right.

00:36:29
Speaker 1: So this challenge is they got to swim to coconut bags. Untie them, grab some keys to the platform. So crazy, al right, challenge starts. Jonathan and Nazzi take the lead. Joe struggling a little bit. He's gassed, as Charlie says, which I was surprised by. I was like, dude, Yeah.

00:36:48
Speaker 3: You know, muscle like lean a lot of times, especially when you're not getting calories and sustenance.

00:36:53
Speaker 2: Big muscles is not great. The big problem.

00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see people struggle with this ship all the time, like the big guys because they've been eating a lot and building muscle.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: That's again, starve yourself, ye.

00:37:03
Speaker 3: Starving somebody like Rizzo's body type could could be way better there than somebody liked the Giant's body exactly exactly.

00:37:11
Speaker 1: So Kalo does start to fall behind, but then Tiff does this rope wit move killing ass Is that killing the coolest thing? And like, I think that literally wins them the challenge. Yeah, because she does that, which catches them up almost immediately.

00:37:26
Speaker 2: Well, did you notice the other thing she did.

00:37:27
Speaker 3: She wasn't going one bag at a time, she wasn't opening a bag and dumping it. She undid all the bags and she just did one motion, grabbed the next one the next question that instead of stopping to dump the bags so then she could dump them all.

00:37:40
Speaker 2: It was brilliant, so cool.

00:37:41
Speaker 1: I wonder if she like practiced that or just discovered it in the moment, but it was awesome to see and I love it.

00:37:45
Speaker 2: Even Jeff is like, yeah, yeahs man, she called you're right. I think she want it for them.

00:37:51
Speaker 1: I think so because she did that and then coach gets it with a grappling nook on his first toss, so that like it was just like, oh okay, and I put them in the lead.

00:37:58
Speaker 3: Sure enough they also, I hear your voice in my head every time I see these and this is brilliant. Two things this show that are genius, Jeff Probes is amazing ye And the fact that you do need everybody to do these challenges and everybody can do these challenges and the sections that they have. It's not go lift big Boulder all the time totally, and that is really brilliant.

00:38:17
Speaker 2: The way it's yeah, and it's taken them a while.

00:38:20
Speaker 1: We are going to have my old friend Miles and I who was I talked about him as somebody who developed games for Survivor or challenges. I don't know if he still does it, but I know he did it and he reached out. So we're going to have him on our show. I cannot wait to get some of the behind the scenes of how this stuff has developed, because it's definitely progressed over time. All right, So now we're having a double elimination too, you know, and this is what happens. They have to start eventually evening and announce so it's not just on team constantly losing. So yeah, you know, before the merge, you start doing these double eliminations. So now over at Cela, Charlie you know, recaps his game. He needs Camilla on his side in order to make his liance a four. He lies to her, says Kyle told me to play with Camilla, which she doesn't believe. And I was like, I was watching with Indy. I was like, see, don't lie, dude, because this is the second time now where lies have backfired in this episode.

00:39:28
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's also an unnecessary lie. I why lie there?

00:39:31
Speaker 3: Just be like, I want to play with you. I think this would be great. We're strong together, we could work together. Why make an unnecessary lie? You never lie when you don't have to.

00:39:39
Speaker 1: And sure enough, when Charlie goes back to Camilla and finally tells her about the idol, which is the good thing that they have, like, she says, well, your game is slow, Rizzo already told yeah, so yeah, it's bad all right. Over Atvatu, Christian is aiming for Angelina and Ozzy doesn't feel that he can trust and he asks Christian to give him his shot in the dark, which is you probably don't understand that. I knew.

00:40:06
Speaker 2: I knew it was something like a bonus, but I don't know what a shot.

00:40:09
Speaker 1: No, It's sort of like if you are pretty positive that you're going to get voted out, that you're going to get blindsided rather than voting.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: In other words, you give up your vote. I think that's how words.

00:40:18
Speaker 1: You give up your vote and then you get a shot in the dark, which means basically you have a I think it's one in six chance of stay of being gaining immunity.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: I think it's yeah, so it's a one in six chance.

00:40:30
Speaker 1: It's like basically rolling a six sided dice that you will just survive no matter what before you know, before the vote, and then nobody can vote for you.

00:40:38
Speaker 2: So it's like basically if you go to it's a way.

00:40:40
Speaker 1: So like if you're sitting on a tribe and there's you know, it's a it's because the problem if you didn't, if you before they had shot in the darks, what could conceive what we happened It did happen a few times is that the whole trib would get together and they'd be like, well, we all hate person X, you know, and there's five of us and one of them, so they just say, person X, we're sorry, we're all voting for you. And they could just say that and it'd be no gameplay for the rest of the episode because then Person X would just be like, well, I'm screwed, and they do anything about the majority just votes for them, and you could just get everybody to agree we all hate person X, get them out. And so the shot in the Dark subverts that possibility because person X can play their shot in the Dark and still have a one six chance of just that, and then that's cool. So it's a very important gameplay that they had to introduce. I think it's only been like ten seasons or maybe a little bit more. But until before that, yeah, it was just like majority rule. It would just be like, hey, let's all get together and decide. So it's a very important gameplay. But yeah, so I found this interesting, you know, And I love the way that you know, Ozzy is he's kind of like cheesy in this way.

00:41:38
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, he.

00:41:38
Speaker 1: Just wants you to prove that you I can trust you, right, And you know, I love that Christian calls it this like ritual of subservience to Ozzie of the Island, and I was like, it's true though, And I have to say it plays like Christian does give his shot in the dark to Ozzie.

00:41:54
Speaker 3: But only after somebody comes up to him and says, Ozzie's gunning for you. And then he was like, all right, the the only move I have left is that I have to give them the shot in the dark.

00:42:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I got. And it works out, it really it is.

00:42:05
Speaker 4: And I actually think that between last episode and this episode, I hope that Ozzie can see how much Christian went through in these two episodes, and that the two of them actually have formed a pretty awesome alliance if they if they if they're willing to forgive each other like they did exactly, they ritualistically played out what they needed to have like an incredible alliance together.

00:42:29
Speaker 2: I don't know if Ozzy's going to see it that way. I think Christian does.

00:42:32
Speaker 3: Like but again, it's the second you get somebody does something super sketchy like they started this episode with, there's always going to be that seed of doubt, like now I have to I have to think about everything you say to me because you left me out of something really major.

00:42:46
Speaker 2: But see, that's what I think giving it.

00:42:47
Speaker 1: When Christian gives him the shot in the dark, that's a way to say, like, I'm I'm giving you something major now.

00:42:53
Speaker 2: I hope that because I like both of them.

00:42:55
Speaker 1: They're very different players, but I actually like the two of them, so i'd like to see that work out.

00:43:01
Speaker 2: You know.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: I also like Emily, who is you know, once they merge that they're going to have each other.

00:43:07
Speaker 2: I think still is my favorite. I think Ozzie's my favorite. I like him a lot.

00:43:11
Speaker 3: I think he's I mean again, I'm trying to find favorites and trying to find people to root for. I like him, but again and again, not to keep harping on this, I just wish I knew the backstory is better of all the people, because then I'm sure I think you told me that Ozzie's like come close, but they keep voting him out after just keeping everyone fed. Like, like, knowing all that stuff would make me root for people more.

00:43:31
Speaker 2: So I get it.

00:43:32
Speaker 3: But you know, maybe in the future, Survivor, if you're listening, maybe do a bonus episode, Maybe put it up online. Maybe do something where it's a recap of all the characters you're bringing back and all this stuff holding on, so as somebody who doesn't know the show can go in knowing the backstories of everybody, knowing what's going on.

00:43:50
Speaker 2: For you, eisode of absolutely and do that episode if you want to put it up on CBS.

00:43:56
Speaker 3: Great, if you just want to put it online, But it would be super helpful to have that kind of road map.

00:44:03
Speaker 2: I agree, man, I wonder if they actually do and we just don't know that that's super possible. CBS website that's dedicated to map catch me up on Survivor dot Com. You idiot. Oh sorry, they made it just for wil Ford. Now it's will for those primers. CBS produced this What are you talking? They did this show? What are you doing?

00:44:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, but no, I do Now question is is this in perpetuity? Now he has this thing and he has to give it away.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: It's not like I think he just gave it to him for this vote and then he'll give it back.

00:44:35
Speaker 2: So it's just every Yeah, I'm assuming unless he's gonna steal his.

00:44:39
Speaker 3: He could turn around and be like, no, I'm just keeping it.

00:44:43
Speaker 2: You can't touch it.

00:44:43
Speaker 1: Go ahead, grab grab it, go get it, go get it, Come on, come up, all right. So then Rizzo tells SII that he has an idol, and she returns the favor by telling him that she has the extra vote from Ozzie, which I totally forgot about. By the way, this is when the very first one read first thing is like, don't give me the pot. So he but I didn't realize. I forgot that he gave that vote to Siri as a show of like.

00:45:07
Speaker 2: Hey, yes, okay, I don't.

00:45:09
Speaker 1: I totally didn't even remember that. So she says she has extra which is great. So that's what I really do think that, like, right now we're heading towards this place where if Christian and Ozzy can oversee their differences. You've got Christian, Ozzy, Emily and Surrie who might be working together, which is like an incredible team before Emily, Emily is the sort of nerdy girl with Ozzy and Christian. She's the one who can't keep her mouth shut, who keeps blurting out like.

00:45:36
Speaker 3: Oh got she's a very good player.

00:45:39
Speaker 2: Actually yeah.

00:45:40
Speaker 1: And and and if those guys that they can keep their alliance that team before, because once they merge, they got to deal with all the other people. And I feel like because Sirie is such a good player and she's been kind of flying under the radar, but.

00:45:50
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing.

00:45:51
Speaker 3: I feel like, the way to win this is you kind of you you connect yourself with with a strong team, but then you kind of become a leaf on the wind. And because she's not notice she's not throwing out who they should vote for, She's like, who are voting for this week? And either Ozzie or it's usually Christian come up with here's.

00:46:07
Speaker 2: What she's like.

00:46:08
Speaker 3: Okay, And so I think you do that for as long as you can, until then you've got to start playing exactly.

00:46:14
Speaker 1: And then look at the the and Ozzie says it, the three of them have been to every single tribal.

00:46:18
Speaker 2: Yes, those three crazy.

00:46:20
Speaker 1: So think about that trauma bonding though going into the rest of the show, they're like they're survivors.

00:46:25
Speaker 2: They have survived together.

00:46:26
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be really instrumental moving forward, which is going to be fun to see, you know. I mean, because think about they're gonna be on the same tribe as Coach probably next episode actually, I know because of the review said that their merging next one, So like they're going to be dealing with people, you know, and see this.

00:46:43
Speaker 2: I'll get there, God, I'll get it. So all right.

00:46:46
Speaker 1: So Rizzo is then bragging about his game on forty nine, which starts turning people off and I turning me off.

00:46:52
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, just keep your mouth shut.

00:46:54
Speaker 1: Be cool. And it turns out that Camilla is sort of the swing vote between her four alliance and this alliance that she has with Syria and.

00:47:01
Speaker 2: D and Rizzo. Which way is she gonna go? I was pretty surprised.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: I was like, she's gonna stick with her original and it didn't work out that way.

00:47:11
Speaker 2: We get to tribal Jeff Probes. You know, he's.

00:47:15
Speaker 1: Really just like coming to his own as a like he's he's like, he's rapping now, he's doing impersonations. Stick with the impersonations. N give you the music, buddy.

00:47:29
Speaker 2: But god, he's good at this. I mean, man, he's good at this.

00:47:32
Speaker 3: He also so I have to imagine from the way he runs the tribal councils, he's getting constant intel of the inside stuff that's going on on the island because he's asking the right questions to the right.

00:47:47
Speaker 1: That's why I thought he had an earpiece, dude. I was sure that there were producers in his ear helping him, like every news anchor has or whatever to do there.

00:47:54
Speaker 2: But no, he's literally flying out there.

00:47:57
Speaker 1: And you know, these tribal councils are much longer than they actually show you there he was running this room, this fireplace. But he's running this this fire circle without without any help. So even if they are telling him, yeah, I'm sure they're giving him the download of like what happened that day, it might.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: Even be watching.

00:48:13
Speaker 3: He might be watching the feeds of what's going on on the watching the footage because it's like, oh, they're in the line, just keeping track of everybody's be insane, Like I still don't know, I know, I still don't know.

00:48:23
Speaker 2: I know. So yeah, No, he's very good at this job.

00:48:25
Speaker 1: And getting to sit in a probably really nice hotel room every night.

00:48:28
Speaker 2: Well, these people somewhere in Fiji, Yeah, just being fed grapes.

00:48:31
Speaker 1: I remember somebody saying that they saw they saw an interview with him or talk and he was just like describing the smell, like just the way that people smell after thirty days.

00:48:41
Speaker 2: I was like, oh right, these are people like you know, yeah.

00:48:44
Speaker 3: That's when you're bathing yourself in like the fishy ocean right near you, where there's clams and mollusc Yeah, you're probably not smelling like roses at this point.

00:48:51
Speaker 2: All right.

00:48:52
Speaker 1: So first tribal kind of goes like that, you know, there's this slight implication that maybe they're going to turn on Ozzy. It turns out it's kind of faded there. They're just sticking with their original. Angelina's out, which is fine. I mean, she has not played a huge part of the show, so I don't really have feelings one way or another. I was watching with Indy he can't tell the difference between Angelina and Stephanie, which I kind of agree with.

00:49:17
Speaker 2: I was like, Yeah, they haven't developed these people. They haven't stood out enough.

00:49:21
Speaker 1: You know.

00:49:21
Speaker 2: I know a lot about Zach Brown. Yep, I know a lot about him, cook his fish. I know a lot about I don't.

00:49:28
Speaker 3: Know the players on the show, but I could tell you three of Zach brown songs and how he likes to spend his weekends.

00:49:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:49:34
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I know what you're saying. Man, they really screwed.

00:49:36
Speaker 3: They've really That was There was a big backlash against that too. There was a lot of stuff online about.

00:49:40
Speaker 2: Like, I know, I made that joke.

00:49:43
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesus, do we need a whole commercial? But it turns out everybody felt the same way. It's a little uh yeah. I think that they've gotten a little ahead of themselves or or something. They've lost a little sight of like who there who they're playing to? You know, it's like people. Yeah, I I think there's like survivor nerddom, and I feel like they're getting a little too into their nerd.

00:50:04
Speaker 3: Exactly what this is I get about for the fans. I get this is a show for the fans by the fans this season. I understand that. But you'd think the fans would want to bring in more fans.

00:50:14
Speaker 2: And the way that you do that is you you open it up.

00:50:17
Speaker 3: And then I think, so, you've got the Billie Eilish, she's a fan. They're bringing fans onto the island. It's like I've been watching it, so I get the whole season.

00:50:24
Speaker 1: By the way, why hasn't Billy Eilish popped in, like even with just like a video, Is she going to show up at the end, Like I'm maybe so, Like she obviously is a fan, lends her name to this ible thing, but I thought maybe there'd be like a message from her, like a video message like here I am good luck and there's nothing. I'm like, does she just refuse to do it? Was she just like no, I love it, but I'm not gonna.

00:50:44
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be out of the camera.

00:50:46
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe like in the last thing, she'll be there.

00:50:50
Speaker 1: Or she'll perform at the final Maybe it's super interesting though, like because I don't know Billy Eilish all that way, Like I'm not I just know some of her songs, but I know that like her whole jam is like much more about like being authentic and like not showy. Like she's like her whole thing is like she's just wide open with her fans. It's like she she rips her heart out on stage and she's like like hugs everybody. So I wonder if she's just like not cool with being on a reality show. Yeaes say, Zach Brown is like, make me look cool with my twelve foot long kid, I got it. Have you seen the size of my man things? All right? Second, Tribal just comes down to this battle between Rizzo and Charlie and yeah, like you know they everything they say at Tribal was fine but gave no hint of which way it was gonna go.

00:51:55
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, let me set the mood.

00:52:00
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, I know.

00:52:02
Speaker 1: And they time it perfectly so that they when somebody says something slightly dramatically, I.

00:52:10
Speaker 2: Know, man, it's so cheesy. It's true. It's so turned the music down. Please, it is just.

00:52:18
Speaker 3: And with the Tiki Tour, it just it looks like there honestly looks like you're waiting in line for the Indiana Jones, Right, I.

00:52:25
Speaker 5: Know, I know it's yeah, you could say I think it was more problematic when the show started because they would lean into the tribalism even worse.

00:52:37
Speaker 1: Uh. Now I think it's a little more just like it's its own survivor style. Right, It's like, you know, it's not necessarily like one culture versus another.

00:52:46
Speaker 2: It's like it's just kind of a blend. Right, it's the Pokies from from ploys it.

00:52:53
Speaker 1: Totally, which is maybe more offensive because it's like somewhat Aboriginal, somewhat Native Americans, somewhat Island. It's f it's just blah anything that's not white. Hey, but it's nice. It's savage, it's not civilized.

00:53:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little but it is.

00:53:11
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for the guy to come on and be like, it's a forty five minute wait for the Indiana Joe's ride.

00:53:15
Speaker 2: So you sit back like, okay, I get it.

00:53:19
Speaker 1: Make sure you're wearing your seatbelts for the trial, and do it in Spanish, right, or you know what they do at Disneyland.

00:53:29
Speaker 2: They always when the ride breaks down, they say it in theme.

00:53:31
Speaker 1: They're always like, you know, those have hijacked with the Haunted Mansion rides. What would survivaling and be like, yeah, a tribe of natives has taken over the tribal council.

00:53:41
Speaker 2: We don't have to wait forty five minutes until so true. That's one of the best days I've ever had at Disneyland or Disney World. I was, I was with you. Don't happened. I was doing the.

00:53:51
Speaker 3: Big Country Mountain whatever broke down and we were in the booth when it broke down, and they let me do the.

00:53:56
Speaker 2: Sorry folks, looks like I was not with you. I swear to god you were. I was like, can I do the announcement.

00:54:03
Speaker 3: Both because we had we were back dooring everything at that point, and they're like, yeah, come on and see how we're Everyone know what I mean.

00:54:12
Speaker 2: So I don't know you were at Big I was there.

00:54:16
Speaker 3: I swear to God you are with me. And the ride broke down and the microphones right there. It's like, can I do the stuff? And he's like sure, And it was seriously me going like.

00:54:22
Speaker 2: Well, oh, folks, looks like we got a little problem searching for gold. Like that guy was like making stuff up. It was so I love it. Oh, that's so cool. So yeah, it would be that for Survivor.

00:54:33
Speaker 1: Too bad we didn't have cameras back, they would have had footage of that, right.

00:54:37
Speaker 2: Like exactly, it's great, all right, Well, uh, tribal ends with Charlie getting voted out. I was surprised. I thought I thought they were doomed. Yeah, me too, bombed, me too.

00:54:49
Speaker 3: You're feeding into this dude's ego about how he's the greatest of all time.

00:54:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not better than the Tidewalker.

00:54:56
Speaker 1: And I guess this is Charlie's first time because he the last season that he played, he made it to the final three, so the only time he's ever been voted out.

00:55:05
Speaker 2: So that's what he says, and he's like, guess, and now I.

00:55:07
Speaker 1: Know what it's like to have my uh my smoke trapped in as Indy would say, exactly, smoking chapter smoking.

00:55:15
Speaker 2: So the last it makes it to a final three, Yeah.

00:55:20
Speaker 1: There's sometimes some seasons has been four, some seasons it has been two.

00:55:24
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's been a final three now.

00:55:27
Speaker 3: So then you're obviously not voted out. It's just somebody of that group wins.

00:55:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha.

00:55:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it gets really interesting when you get to the final three because one person wins immunity in order to guarantee.

00:55:37
Speaker 2: That they're in the final three. And then god, so wait, maybe it doesn't.

00:55:42
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna pretend I know what's going on, because everything I say will just make our listeners scream at the radio.

00:55:48
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

00:55:49
Speaker 1: Will it's gonna be exciting, You're gonna you're gonna be excited. What it comes down to often is that they make people go to fire, so it becomes a fire building contest for the final position. Yeah.

00:56:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: Can build a fire, and they have like a rope above like like like a full foot and a half above the fire, and you have to build a fire that's sustained long enough to burn through the rope, and then whoever builds the fire long enough to burn through the rope gets to go into the final three. Yeah, that's super interesting, you'll see. But that's why I like, why you would ever go into Survivor without knowing how to make fire backwards and forwards in any condition.

00:56:24
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like a you got to make fire, you got to make shelters, Like that's the most important all right.

00:56:29
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like we started off with you being very uh, you know, against the show, just with your criticism, but through the course of our recap, I feel like you got a little back into it. We can.

00:56:43
Speaker 3: I just I want and I know that our listener is going to, uh say to me, you got because I'm seeing the comments a lot of people are like, go back and watch you earlier seasons.

00:56:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:56:56
Speaker 3: So I just think at this point with the season, and I get it, it's about the fans and buy the and so it's it's just the gameplay. But I think they're missing the balance that would bring in a new audience. And I think they're seeing that with the numbers where it's like that's that's all it is is there's no it's just Caddy people now. And I'd like to know again I can give you a pass on some of the things you're saying, knowing that you've had three grains of rice in the last week and a half. I want to see that SEUs spent the entire thing just going like what happened to the chickens? Are the chicken they do? Do they eat all the chickens? Are they there for the eggs?

00:57:26
Speaker 2: What happened to the chickens.

00:57:27
Speaker 5: Here?

00:57:28
Speaker 2: What are you stuff?

00:57:29
Speaker 1: Here are two things that I hope happened this season that have that have that have happened in seasons past and then also not been a part of seasons past, and I'm hoping that the fans have voted for these two things to happen. One is they have what's called Survivor Auction, which is they give them cash, like literally can hand them all cash, equal amounts of cash, and then bring up objects which are mostly going to be food but sometimes disgusting things, but you just get it like a cake, you know, a cake band. So you just see like this thing, you don't know what's in it, and they vote they spend their money to like and sometimes it's like you get an octopus eye and they have to eat that if they want it or they can't, or it'll be like a chocolate cake or a fries and beer, and you get to see these people lose their shit over and you really yeah, So that's something that's super fun and it hasn't been in every season.

00:58:15
Speaker 2: I hope the fans order for that.

00:58:16
Speaker 1: The other one is they bring their family members to nice and and they have these moments where they you know, they get to reunite with somebody either their husband, their wife, their child, their mom, somebody from them, and you see these people lose their minds because they really are struggling, and you see them like they're just they just fall apart and hugging their person, and then you get to see them have a moment or two if they win the chance. Often what the reward challenges is, like the result is you either get to spend a couple hours with your family or you don't.

00:58:49
Speaker 2: So people don't get.

00:58:50
Speaker 1: To spend time with their family and they're like and they just lose their shit, or they get to spend time alone with them and you see them communicating with their person from back home, and you get to see the real because there's there's no strategy and they're just like, mom, I'm scared to be out here by myself.

00:59:04
Speaker 2: These people hate me and.

00:59:05
Speaker 1: You get to see like, So I think that would help you understand how severe it is for them. And so those are like two of my favorite things that haven't been a part of every season. So I really hope they do that this season because it is a month. Yeah, it's like thirty.

00:59:18
Speaker 2: Days okay, yeah, okay, yeah, well so we're only a quarter the way through.

00:59:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got one segment. Uh, this is, of course Will's history of the People.

00:59:28
Speaker 2: That's stuff. I got one today. And you're gonna say, Will Friedle, you're a liar, but I'm not. This is Vesna Volovic, Vesna Volovic.

00:59:47
Speaker 1: It's weird that even though you know this off the top of your head, you have a hard time pronouncing.

00:59:51
Speaker 2: And I have a weird thing. It's called pronunciation brain matter problems. More p b MP. Where did you just close your eyes and say the name again? Like if you reach it, I can. There's the Velovac.

01:00:05
Speaker 1: I feel like you're still keeping the one eye opens.

01:00:08
Speaker 2: The Volovac is her name? Okay, Yeah.

01:00:11
Speaker 3: She was a Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest fall ever without a parachute.

01:00:17
Speaker 2: Wait didn't we already do this one? Nope, different, lady, We did this one. She fell in Peru into the Okay, this is different, lady.

01:00:25
Speaker 3: This is the highest Guinness highest fall ever without a parachute, because the other lady you remember fell from ten thousand feet and survived.

01:00:31
Speaker 2: Yes, is even higher. Thirty three thousand, three hundred and thirty feet or cruising out to two point three one miles she fell into?

01:00:41
Speaker 3: What?

01:00:41
Speaker 2: Where? How did?

01:00:42
Speaker 3: She? Was the sole survivor of JAT flight three sixty seven after an explosion tore through the baggage compartment on twenty sixth of January nineteen seventy two, causing it to crash near a place in Czechoslovakia.

01:00:54
Speaker 2: I'm not even to attempt to pronounce because of the problem I have my brain. I'm not going to say the brain pronunciation matter. Serviska kamnitzse Oh my god? So they was there an explosion in the package compartment.

01:01:06
Speaker 3: Air safety investigators attributed the explosion to a briefcase bomb. The Yugoslav authority suspected the Croatian nationalists word of blame, but no one was ever arrested. Following the bombing, she spent several days in a coma and was hospitalized for several months.

01:01:20
Speaker 2: She suffered a fractured skull. Okay, but how did she first survive the fall? She just did? They don't have to say what she fell into. Nope, let me wait, Let me rack through my brain, let me rack through my croatia. How do you like?

01:01:33
Speaker 1: She must have hit a tree line or like what breaks your fall from thirty thousand.

01:01:39
Speaker 3: Feet She was discovered by a villager who heard her screaming amid the wreckage. Her Turkose uniform was covered in blood and her stiletto heels had been torn off by the force of the impact. Oh so she stayed with the plane, She apparently stated, with the plane, Oh, Aeronica, he.

01:01:55
Speaker 2: Went on rocking my brain.

01:01:56
Speaker 3: Recommend there's the fact I need air safety investigators a tree.

01:02:00
Speaker 1: We did.

01:02:00
Speaker 3: Her survival to being trapped by a food cart in the DC nine's fuselage as it broke away from the rest of the aircraft and plummeted towards the ground. When the cabin depressurized, the passengers and other crew were bore. Other crew were blown out of the aircraft and fel to their deaths, but the fuselage pinned inside. This woman was pinned inside landed at an angle in a heavily wooded and snow covered mountain side, which cushioned the impact. So she broke her skull thirty three thousand She fell six point three one miles. She suffered a fractured skull, three broken vertebrate, broken legs, broken ribs, and a fractured pelvis. She was temporarily paralyzed from the waist down, but made an almost complete recovery, only walking with a slight limp wow. And then in nineteen ninety was f She went back to be flying again, what back to being a flight attendant on the same airline, and then the airline fired her in nineteen ninety because she went to an anti government protest during the breakup of yukoslaf.

01:03:01
Speaker 1: Wow.

01:03:02
Speaker 2: Yep. See, that's one of.

01:03:04
Speaker 1: Those when you survive something like that, that's when you just Tony robbins your life and you just decided to become like a public speaker.

01:03:10
Speaker 2: You know, the first Slovakia.

01:03:12
Speaker 3: It just become like a motivational, motivational speaker.

01:03:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like that's what the guys who survived for the Live Live story like, that's what they did. Like you just like, don't go back to the thing that put you in this position in the first place.

01:03:25
Speaker 2: That's horror.

01:03:25
Speaker 3: She went back and was a flight attendant and then they fired her.

01:03:30
Speaker 2: Can you imagine those termination papers? Like are you kidding me? Thirty thanks for all your service.

01:03:37
Speaker 3: She fell six points I drove four miles yesterday. She fell six point three one Miles and crazy.

01:03:45
Speaker 2: All right, you've been listening to Pod meets Twirled.

01:03:48
Speaker 1: The torches may be snuffed, but our questionable analysis burns on.

01:03:52
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time. A tribal trap. You're smoking, but the along