TGI - Episode 302 “The Double Lie”

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Speaker 1: I'm going to make a statement that I know producer husband of this podcast would agree with based on the name of his gallery. Nineteen eighty eight is the greatest year in music ever? Do you guys know this year?

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Speaker 2: Producer Jensen Carp husband of this podcast, named his gallery that because it was a great year in sports eighty la sports.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was just like culturally in general, it was like.

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Speaker 3: The greatest year ever, he says. And music and movies, so yeah, he Needlejuice was that year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about movies actually, but well the reason I'm.

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Speaker 4: For why music? What makes you say? What makes you make this statement or this statement?

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Speaker 1: Uh? So, George Michael Faith still just one of the greatest songs. Uh. Tracy Chapman premiered that year. Will So those those are the ones that like I hold on to and I still are like, well, these are perfect songs and like amazing, but every single one of if you go through Sweet Child of Mind, Guns of Roses, Oh, hold On to the Knight or hold hold On to the Knights.

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Speaker 3: By Richard Marx, the Leather Jacket Song, Yes, the Jacket.

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Speaker 1: Song, Hands to Heaven by Breathe. Do you guys know that one and we will be Heaven is a place on Earth Belinda Carlyle. Carle, Uh, I mean seriously, like you go through this and you realize like a man in the mirror by Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 3: It's straight out of Compton.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Is it really all right? See?

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Speaker 4: This is and and Heaven is a place on Earth by Belinda Carlyle, amongst the best songs ever.

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Speaker 1: Really, No, We'll see this is This is why I wanted to bring it up, because this is the question. Obviously I was eight years old, right And part of the reason I'm thinking about this and the reason it was because I brought it up with Indy this morning. We were talking about using and playing music, and I was like, oh, he's eight right now, so his brain is like open in a way that mine obviously was in nineteen eighty eight to like discovering music that like still affects me. When I hear these songs, I cry like instantly, you know. And they can be hard like groovy kind of love. Like they don't have to be good songs, but they just they just are in my soul because for whatever reason, at eight and I've been noticing like Indy's brain is like coming online in a new way. You know. It's like because he's going to remember everything now, so it's a totally different conversation I'm having with him anyway. So I don't know how much of it is just nostalgia. And the reason I think it relates to our you know, podcast, is this question of like, how can you you reach this point with these artifacts, these cultural artifacts, where you can no longer separate your personal connection to their quality, Like it's just there's no way you could. Of course it's good. I'm just saying, like, there's no way I can play a song for Indy. I can't play Heaven is a place on Earth for Indy and be like, this is genuinely a perfect song that change because it changes. Art's not going to you know, it's probably gonna be like an annoying oldie song to him.

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Speaker 5: He'll find his song, He'll find his heaven exactly.

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Speaker 1: And is it just where our brains are at, Like when we're open to these experiences, is it something about being eight or being a young you know, a teenager, whatever stage you're at where you're like fresh to these things, or is it that they get encoded with the experiences you're having. Because the other thing is my dad had a brain tumor in nineteen eighty eight. I thought my dad was going to die, and I remember I got a hold of it. I was able to record the top one hundred songs from the radio and I would listen to it on my headphones in bed, like so all these songs were also like my safe place while I was afraid my dad was going to die. And it's like, oh, well, that's obviously why I'm bawling around face coming on you know on Earth. Yeah, yeah, right, Oh, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean groovy kind of loved, but groovey kind of Love was my wedding song, Like it means so much to me back in the day that that became the first song that Sue and I danced to. So you do the question is is it the song or is it the memory attached to the song exactly?

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Speaker 1: And so it doesn't matter, right because at the end of the day, it it doesn't matter when I watch.

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Speaker 4: But we've talked about this on the podcast, and people are fans have said this to us before, like Boy Meets World is their safe space, so they'll put it on in the back of White nose and white noise exactly like mashes for me.

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Speaker 5: So it's that same kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean the statement nineteen eighty eight has the greatest music ever probably.

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Speaker 1: Not accurate maybe, but you know, well here's what's only about that too. And part of the journey is that, like in the nineties, we all talked so much shit about eighties music. Do you remember, like eighties I loved I always loved eighties music. Eighties music is amazing, and I feel like now it's appreciated. But like from like nineteen ninety to like two thousand and five, nob we've talked about eighties music. It was like, right, eah, that is like because it was electron it sounded cheesy, and now we'd listened to it. We'd listen to it, you know.

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Speaker 4: I would listen to it in private by myself because I knew that I would not going to be driving with poison cranking on my on my red like you roll up the window, like, okay, I'm listening to Motley Crue.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to turn up the close. Of course, these are are great bands, but see, these things go through cycles.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, who was talking about boy Mes World in two thousand and five. Besides kids, you know, like now it's like come back around where everyone's old and able to be like, oh, it's kind of cool now.

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Speaker 4: And you know, some of the music that I still listen to was influenced by both of you. And it's because it's music for me. I never I am never open to. And it's not that I'm open to new music. I'm never exposed to it to it because I don't listen to the radio in the car.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I listened to old albums I have when I walk or I run, so I'm never exposed to any type of new music. And I know, like Danielle back in the day, I remember she would go shopping for CDs when we were we were and every fourth or fifth time I would look at her and I would go, surprise me. And you came back and you bought me the Murmurs album, which I still listen to all the time. You bought me like Lincoln Park album. There was like there are certain things you bought me as we were going along that I still listen to this day. Rider with Typhoon. You know one of the guy who did our Kyle Morton, who you hear at the end. Who did our opening title theme music is in a band called Typhoon that I first found through you at your wedding and say when you were listening to them live, going this is amazing, Like this is a really good band. So you guys have exposed me to more music than almost anybody else except maybe my brothers, And so that's how I find it is through my friends.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that same kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, one thing we can all agree on is that girl you Know It's True by Milli Vanilli came out in nineteen ninety eight and that song bop ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, if only they were singing.

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Speaker 4: It you ever sang it is incredible, is incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell. So today we are here to recap season three, episode two, The Double Lie. It originally aired September twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five. The synopsis Sean has to stay at the Matthews house when mister Turner says he's going away for the weekend for a wedding, but when Shawn sneaks a hot date back to what was supposed to be mister Turner's empty apartment, he finds out he's not the only one being sneaky. It was directed by Jeff McCracken. It was written by Matthew Nelson. Rest in Peace, We Love You, We Miss You guest starring Aaron Jay Dean as Veronica Watson and Lisa Wilcox as Chris. She was Alice in The Nightmare on ELM Street Movies.

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Speaker 5: She was also Jeff Sherman's Yeah that's Jeff Sherman's X.

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Speaker 1: Now and now ex wife.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was her connection to tow Boy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, all right, well let's jump into our recap. Do you guys, do you guys want to say anything? I loved again, loved this episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, might be my favorite. I thought it was absolutely great.

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Speaker 4: I thought, had you never seen Boy Me Troll before and there's now a few episodes like this, you would have no idea Corey was the star of the show. Yea, it is totally different. It is to but that being said, it's a phenomenal episode. It's a wonderful EISO.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the one thing I noticed. I was like, where Corey is really he's not even with Feenie. They didn't they didn't give him anything.

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Speaker 5: He kind of bops around you.

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Speaker 3: Or your new partnership with Feenie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the show has just expanded, you know. And I think it's the natural evolution of the show is that you start writing for other characters. Yep. Yeah, it's great though, It's so good.

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Speaker 3: So to jump in. We're in the school hallway.

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Speaker 2: Corey and sew are doing a play by play of a couple fighting in the hallway. One of them is Hatty Veronica Watson. Sean is in a very cool vest. It looks like Bell BIV devo. I love this outfit for you.

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Speaker 1: No, I love this outfit. This is this is peak.

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Speaker 3: This is peak, and I love it. And did you do you actually like it?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 1: I usually there have been a lot of the vests at the end of the second season, the vest shirt combos that have been a little awkward, But this one is kind of fan and this works. Can we talk about Okay? So when Chick Like Me is third season, no Sports season fifties somewhere there. But Veronica is the name that Sean gives himself.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's still obsessed with.

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Speaker 1: Verona Veronica was, so when I heard Veronica Watson on my brain was immediately like, what kind of similar guy? Interesting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, but then he has to take on an identity for himself and he's like, I'm gonna go after that hot girl I dated in that one episode of Boy Me.

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Speaker 4: I'd also like to know why there's always a blood drive if anybody else does every episode.

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Speaker 1: Of and Blood Drive, there's always a blood draw and there's a pea.

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Speaker 2: Should just start taking blood at the pepper ally? Seriously, they could killed two birds while teaching.

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Speaker 5: While teaching you about safe sex, and you can just and.

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare, Danielle, you're not in this episode? Are you?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: See? I I don't think you were regular yet. I don't think it happened until halfway through third season.

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Speaker 2: You were not a regularly by third season though, I was now maybe being paid for every episode even if I wasn't in because my name, I think is that the is in the beginning credits, so.

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Speaker 4: You're guaranteed all produced, but you're not necessarily in all of them.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So I but I don't know. We really need the Judy Savage. I need to talk to Junie Savage.

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Speaker 1: But do you guys, do you will? Do you remember Aaron at all? I don't, do you? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I kind of had a crush on her. I mean we were making out the entire week, the whole week, Yes, and that's what I obviously remembered that, But I also remember she had she was really she was really awesome, and she had her parents didn't come with her. She had her manager with her. Okay, he was one of those situations. And he was a very nice guy, very Hollywood, like, yeah, super Hollywood, the nicest guy, and very slick and very talkative and like you know, but just yeah, but the really great guy. And I remember he took me and her to lunch one day. I forget where we went, but I remember driving through Hollywood and in his like cool Hollywood car and feeling very Hollywood. But yeah, it was, it was. It was a great week I had. I mean that I didn't remember much about the episode besides making out with Aaron the entire time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole episode.

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Speaker 1: And she doesn't actually she's really good. She doesn't have much to do, but when she does something, it's great, I know, but it's a bummer that they didn't give her more jokes because she she's really funny when she's funny, but it's like otherwise she's just there kissing me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I also can't remember if we talked about this during three oh one, but we should let our dear, dear listeners know that we had now moved to a completely different stage.

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Speaker 1: Did we talk about that?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, we did not talk about that. We are no longer on that giant Disney Storge. We now we've now moved to KTLA, where there's a spaghetti factory. Yes, where it was absolutely mostly deserted slot where there's only news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where the news station.

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Speaker 4: And actually I wish I had known, but you know what film next was, which you I didn't find out untill years later, because I would have been at every taping was Mister Show with Bob and David, so I would have.

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Speaker 5: But but yeah, we were so we had moved from this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Disney lot was like you're on a college campus. The squirrels would literally come up and eat out of your hand. We had this quick commissary. It was great, and they're like, hey, we're moving you to KTLA, and it was in the heart of Hollywood. It was not a particularly clean area of town.

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Speaker 1: It was so different in a weird like other stage. Do you remember it was like I do.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that when we had the Madagascan hissing cockroaches as pets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that. We've been left.

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Speaker 2: Those guys there over a hiatus and they disappeared.

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Speaker 3: They breed and got out, and there may have been a.

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Speaker 2: Madagascin histen cockroach problem on stage.

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Speaker 1: And we used to have our table reads in the stage outside of the school room. Remember it was like that. Yeah, it was like a big empty stage and they built these weird rooms into the corner, so they were like they had no ceiling they had we just had walls. Like basically they were like sets that we were that were our schoolrooms. It was really weird. Why there was no offices they couldn't find anywhere. Such a weird situation. Yeah, you'd walk through this giant stage to a corner, and then wardrobe was next to us too, so we also had the wardrobe. The wardrobe, I don't remember any weird layout.

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Speaker 3: It was a weird It was a.

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Speaker 1: Whole the whole stage was just weird.

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Speaker 5: The whole KTLA was a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: The Bizarre, the Bizarre Years.

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Speaker 2: So Veronica Watson says I never want to see you again to her boyfriend and Sean and gets excited that she is single again. Corey tells Sean to ask act fast, and Sean says he needs to give her some time. Then he takes about three seconds and walks right up to her to ask her out. She says if he is asking her out for Friday night, it is just too soon, and then he asks about Saturday and she says sure, sure, great.

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Speaker 1: Joke, Yeah, very funny joke.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Then Corey congratulates him on acting fast, just as a bunch of guys run down the hall to ask Veronica out for Saturday, and she says she's busy. Corey tells Sean that he will ask Amy and Allen if it's okay, because remember he's staying with the Matthews while mister Turner goes out of town. Sean says he didn't know anything about that, and Corey says, I was standing right there with you when he told.

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Speaker 3: You, and you say, well, well where was I wh TI is great?

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Speaker 2: Corey says his parents are totally cool when Tapega comes over, but they have a ten pm curfew, and Sean says.

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Speaker 3: If he picks her up at eight, that only gives him.

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Speaker 2: And then he can't figure it out because of the stupid metric system, which again I think is a very great joke.

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Speaker 4: It is, but they're also now I can see why they're there's dueling dumb people. So now Eric and Seawn are both dumb, and they're like, we can't, you know, something's got to give. And as they're seeing you become more dramatic with Tony, they're going, all right, we'll just keep Eric dumb and we'll make it.

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Speaker 1: We're still we are, Yeah, absolutely absolutely, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: So then we're in mister Turner's classroom. Sean runs in to talk to mister Turner about going out of town, and you call him John as you're running into the room.

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Speaker 1: I thought, John.

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Speaker 3: I feel like.

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Speaker 2: Mister Turner would have made that clear that you call me John at home, but you called me mister Turner at school, because that that is a little, uh, a little line.

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Speaker 1: But Sean's I mean, I grew up in a situation where a teacher's her first name, So yeah, but you also have to stoke the boilers at your school. That wasn't normal. I'm trying to think what the public schools are. No, I guess they did. You know, we were not Oh no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: You did not call a teacher by unless the teacher made it very clear, Like I did have an English teacher in my senior year high school who went by sir. He wanted he he was like, he didn't go by mister or anything else. He wanted to be called sir, and that was like kind of his name. So you know, I mean unless somebody specified like, no, you're gonna call me this, but otherwise it was.

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Speaker 1: We ever talked about the fact that that Foenie calls everybody by mister, and it's a very like do teachers ever do that ply the old school?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean maybe some of the old school ones by.

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Speaker 1: It's like a defining characteristic of Feenie.

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Speaker 3: Though you're right because I've never seen it in another show either.

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Speaker 4: No, I think it's a very prep school thing too, like a very it was always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such an interesting like form of showing mutual respect, right, Like it's a way to say, like I will treat you like you treat me. Yeah, like it's a really cool thing.

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Speaker 3: But I've never really thought about but yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 1: It's a neat choice.

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Speaker 3: Well, Sean runs in.

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Speaker 2: He starts buttering up mister Turner about missing him and how good he looks, and he asks if he's dropped a few LB's. Turner suspects something happened with the stereo again and Sean says no, it's still drying out.

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Speaker 1: Trying out.

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Speaker 3: Turner says he already told.

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Speaker 2: Sean he was going out of town for a friend's wedding and doesn't Sean listen? And Sean responds, what, and Turner says slower and louder?

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Speaker 3: Do you this is?

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Speaker 5: This is a Tony Quinn. We did this for all the time ever.

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Speaker 1: We did this till you you listen. It's so funny because I saw it happening and my brain just yea, this was from the show. Yeah, I'm so ingrained. Was it you that always did it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Were Tony and Tony and I want to do you listen?

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Speaker 2: He had a few reads in this episode that I thought were hilarious, like when he says sorry later in the kitchen sorry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got some tons that are just the best. This is We did this for seven years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. Do you listen? I had no idea what it was from the show. I know what it was from Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: It is so funny.

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Speaker 2: And he's definitely more and more comfortable, and you can feel him are taking more and more risks and and they're really paying off. So Sean is still not understanding. It's very very dumb Sean in this moment.

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Speaker 1: And so this is also seems slightly like a callback to the women. Yeah, but also open a book. What Yeah, a book which it's just been diminishing returns, you know wu right, Yeah, it was a great end of the scene, Like I don't want to die to like know what WU is. But like this, it's just yeah, no, it's not that doesn't quite hit at the same speed. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Corey steps in to tell Turner that Sean has a date with Veronica Watson.

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Speaker 3: Turner says, nope, there's no way.

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Speaker 2: He's canceling his trip for a friend's wedding and he's staying with the Matthews this weekend. End of story, the school bell rings and Veronica enters the classroom with a bunch of other students. She touches Sean's hair and says, Saturday, she might be the coolest dressed girl in Boy Meets World history.

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Speaker 1: Kind of blossom, but yeah, very blossom.

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Speaker 3: She edgy edgy blossom.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it's Edgie blossom. It's so cool, It's fantastic. Sean looks desperately at Turner, and Turner just says no. And then we're in the school hallway. Sean says, what's the point of having a date with Veronica Watson if he stuck at Corey's house. Corey says Topanga has never complained and they've had many a blockbuster night on the couch. Corey tells Sean to worry about Verona.

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Speaker 1: Now they're together completely, and we just jumped into yeah, just.

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Speaker 3: Skip right over it.

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Speaker 5: Don't even need to see that anymore. Poor friand girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: We did, we gave that. Yeah, d Yell's not in this episode.

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Speaker 5: They are now married.

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Speaker 1: Move on, yeah, yeah, yeah, except yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Corey tells Sean to just worry about Veronica and he will take care of his parents, and Sean says he's going to dedicate this date to Corey and Corey says.

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Speaker 3: How do I answer that?

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Speaker 1: I don't care?

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Speaker 3: How do I laugh at?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 3: Is what I wanted to know. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know is what I don't know?

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Speaker 4: Wait?

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Speaker 1: What does the joke again? Say it again?

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Speaker 2: Because Sean says, I'm going to dedicate this date to you, and Corey is like, so touched?

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Speaker 3: He goes, how do I answer that?

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Speaker 1: I thought the joke would be that. He's like, how do I answer? Like he's confused by how you dedicate? You know, like if if Corey just actually asked Sean, like, how do you what are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: I respond to this? I thought the way he delivered it seems you're so touched.

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Speaker 1: I'm so touched.

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Speaker 4: This means so much to me that a joke, though, that's the joke, is like, I'm going to dedicate my day to you, Like man, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Something that doesn't really mean anything right to him means something so much.

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Speaker 3: I guess that is the joke.

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Speaker 1: But it could it wasn't. Wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Maybe used a little little punch, maybe with a lemon or something.

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Speaker 3: Nearby.

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Speaker 2: We shift to Feene, who walks up to mister Turner and says he needs to start the Monday staff meeting with.

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Speaker 1: Ashton helmet helmet post.

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Speaker 5: That's right, always got the helmet safety first.

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Speaker 2: So Phoene has a dentist appointment. Turner wants to know if it's anything serious, and Phoene says no, just to check up.

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Speaker 3: But he does find a visit to the dentist oddly pleasant.

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Speaker 2: Turner says, maybe they'll find a cavity and you can really part, really party.

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Speaker 3: Very cute.

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Speaker 2: Phoene then stops Eric in the hallway and says a question, and Eric misunderstands him and thinks Phoenie wants him to ask a question, so he says, uh, who's.

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Speaker 3: The French guy who fixed the milk? And at first I was like, what what is this?

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Speaker 2: But then it ends up paying off. Phoene reminds Eric of the ten page paper he owes him. He says it was due last year. They have unfinished business. Eric suddenly blurts out Louis b Pastor, who is the French guy who discovered pasteurization? Yes, of course and quote unquote saved milk. He's so proud of himself, and Phoene is not that impressed. Phoene says, if he doesn't turn in the term paper tomorrow, the incomplete will become an f You are so.

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Speaker 1: Good in the seats, oh will when you have this moment where you're like, wait, the French guy thing. I got that. Yes, I love it. It's just so comfortable.

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Speaker 4: Now speaking of milk, and did you hear the thing that soy milk is just Spanish milk introducing itself.

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Speaker 5: For like two days?

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Speaker 3: Milk?

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Speaker 2: That joke, I mean, if I had to put a higher like jokes that are guaranteed to make Danielle laugh, that is at the very top. It's really that is right in my wheel. That so Eric says, don't worry. He's been working on the paper all summer up here, and he points to his head, and Phoene says, where it's safe, where it's safe, and Eric agrees.

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Speaker 5: And this is now.

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Speaker 3: Phoenie and Eric are a team now and I love it. Do you feel great?

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Speaker 4: It feels awesome? But man great? He they they have just all of a sudden gone, nope, we're gonna move.

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Speaker 2: You know what they're able to do with Eric that they aren't able to do with certainly with Corey and Shawn. You have the perfect mix of feeling a little more like Phoene's peer, like a little more like on a Jonathan Turner thing, where like you get away with more with Phoene that doesn't come across as too disrespectful. Like if Corey or Sean had this same kind of like jabby jabby, jabby jabby, it would be like, these kids are terrible?

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Speaker 3: Who are these children?

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Speaker 2: Because you're a little bit older and I don't know, there's like there's such an earnest, good natured way about you, slash Eric, it feels so much more like it works.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric, like Phoene's in on it with you a little bit.

00:23:37
Speaker 2: There's still a difference and there's still like a hierarchy where he's above you, but also he's he enjoys you in a different way that they're really.

00:23:45
Speaker 4: Setting it up to. It's the straight up straight man comedian. It's Laura and Hardy, It's the famous comedy teams of all time, and that's really what they're setting it up as, which is absolutely what it becomes down the line. So yeah, it's cool to see the kind of the genesis of It's really great well, and in a.

00:24:01
Speaker 1: Lot of ways, the Corey feene dynamic was based on him being a sort of little kid like being, you know, and now that Ben's not that, like we're older, you know, and it just doesn't play off of Peoene as well as it did and season one, you know, I'm dancing, you know, like, yeah, that level of like watching Bill's face, you know, just be the straight man in the face of this, you know, hyperactive kid. Yea, yeah, but you know that just it doesn't really work the same way. So yeah, putting you in that in that position is great. Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was fun. It was really fun.

00:24:44
Speaker 3: So we're in the Matthews living room.

00:24:45
Speaker 2: Eric is on the phone ordering a ten page paper on the Manhattan Project and he decides to splurge for a bibliography. As he hangs up, he tells Carl, who's the guy on the phone, he loves him and that they provide a real service.

00:24:57
Speaker 1: I love you too. It's in the paper.

00:25:00
Speaker 4: It's like, there's there's an ad in the paper that you can go and to get out.

00:25:03
Speaker 2: Ninety five of us exactly. Corey walks in and sees the term paper ad. He says, how did Eric pay for this? He doesn't have a credit card. Eric pulls out a credit card that a bank sent him in the mail and says, can you believe they.

00:25:16
Speaker 3: Sent this to me? Like I have the money, I have the money. So cute, perfect little credit card joke.

00:25:22
Speaker 2: He tells Corey that Tapanga called sounded important, but he didn't write down the number because she was only going to be there for a half hour and that was about an hour.

00:25:29
Speaker 1: Oh.

00:25:30
Speaker 2: Corey is mad because he was waiting around all day for that call. But Eric says, famous moment.

00:25:37
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it was this early. I was like, wait a minute, it's it's it's life's tough. Get a helmet already.

00:25:43
Speaker 2: Live's tough, Get a helmet. The snacks Corey in the forehead.

00:25:46
Speaker 1: Yep.

00:25:47
Speaker 2: We hear about this line so often when we go to our conventions. People talk about it. You bite it as Reil long, It's so great, it's great.

00:25:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always remembered it too.

00:25:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, And pictures with like slapping their forehead and I'm doing it. But I had no idea was this early in the show. I did no idea.

00:26:06
Speaker 1: Amazing.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: Then Sean walks in with his Duffel bag and Eric pretends to celebrate that they're spending the weekend at the house. He sarcastically says Corey and Sewan don't get to spend enough time together, and he suggests that they just wear one big shirt, big shirt.

00:26:23
Speaker 3: I love it. It's so cute.

00:26:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. I like, I like Eric giving Coy and Swan crapah in this way, you know, like it's it's better than I feel like it's been in the past, where you like, are mean to Coy whatever, this is teasing in us for being friends.

00:26:38
Speaker 3: You know, it's really fun exactly.

00:26:39
Speaker 4: I should also tell you that, in solidarity with us now really launching into season three, I am seeing Lori tomorrow and going more blonde?

00:26:47
Speaker 3: Are you yes?

00:26:49
Speaker 5: In solidarity with season three, I am are you?

00:26:51
Speaker 2: Are you seeing how amazing you look with your blonder hair.

00:26:54
Speaker 4: I'm just giving it a try. I'm like, you know what season three blonde hair.

00:26:58
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

00:26:59
Speaker 3: Let's do it. I love it. Okay. So Eric quickly leaves, and Corey says all system systems are go for Shawn's date with Veronica tomorrow night, and Sean asks for deets.

00:27:08
Speaker 5: Man man, remember this, we would do this, dude, deeps man.

00:27:12
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah, because we were you you thought it was like I remember at the time you being like, I don't want.

00:27:17
Speaker 5: To say deets man, like.

00:27:19
Speaker 1: I don't want gen of the breeze.

00:27:24
Speaker 4: And we would always afterwards be like, hey, deets man, like we would just man because it was so deeps man. I mean, yeah, this was one of our inside jokes because it was painful.

00:27:34
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't want to say deets man.

00:27:36
Speaker 3: Hey man.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: Corey says his parents made dinner reservations at the Hillside Grill, but he canceled them, which means they'll have to wait about an hour, which gives Sean more time on his date, so much time he may even be able to start his second date by the time they get home. Sean says that's great, core without opening his mouth, and Corey asks what's going on. Sean says he's resting his lips and thanks a lot. Now he needs to start over and doing.

00:28:00
Speaker 1: It like looking it out. It's good physical comedy.

00:28:04
Speaker 4: It is.

00:28:04
Speaker 1: It's good physical comedy. It was funny, but the first lot I was like, what did I not move my mouth? Yea.

00:28:13
Speaker 2: So then we are in the Matthews living room the lights are off and Sean and Veronica are making out on the couch. She tells him he has great lips. They're so and he finishes the sentence with well rested and thanks to IMDb trivia, we know that this is actress Aaron Dean's first screen kiss. Okay wow, so it was a memorable week for her too.

00:28:38
Speaker 4: Pretty good first on screen kiss when it's rider strong.

00:28:41
Speaker 1: Huhne with those well rested lips, well rested legs. Yes.

00:28:47
Speaker 2: Amy walks in the front door and turns on all the lights. She notices them making out and says, pretend I'm not here. Sean says fine, and he goes back to start kissing Veronica, who stops him because it's still awkward. Corey runs downstairs just to Alan walks into, also shocked to see what appears to be going on. Corey wonders how they're home so early since they had reservations, and Alan says the restaurant lost them, but they found a great romantic place across the street and they were in and out in less than ninety minutes. Alan decides to sit right down next to Sean on this hot date, and Amy tells him why don't you come to the kitchen, We'll make some coffee, and he says, no, I'm good right here on the couch.

00:29:23
Speaker 1: This is great. Shock, It's so funny.

00:29:26
Speaker 2: It's so funny. He's just given Sean a little little needling. Yeah.

00:29:31
Speaker 1: And we talk about Betsy's sleeveless vesta.

00:29:34
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, I remember this outfit on her.

00:29:37
Speaker 1: Do you do? It's like, whoa, they went out, Yeah, got dressed up.

00:29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah they I mean they this hillside place. Me sounds fancy, hillside and then yeah, hillside grill. But then they they go to this. You can tell that their date nights are all about romance.

00:29:54
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

00:29:55
Speaker 4: And right to him up right when you walked into the door, Sue looked at me and she's like, man, can wear a blazer and jeans.

00:30:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she just rocked it.

00:30:04
Speaker 4: He's got, you know, a pair of jeans and a nice black or blue blazer and boom out the door.

00:30:09
Speaker 1: Looks look great.

00:30:12
Speaker 2: So after a second of watching fly fishing on TV, sitting next to Sean, Allan says, I'm just messing with you and he leaves. Corey says, there you're all alone again, and then they look at him and he realizes he's the third wheel now and he goes back upstairs. Sean and Veronica start kissing again.

00:30:27
Speaker 4: Ye yep, he's just always take it away, yep.

00:30:34
Speaker 2: But then the doorbell rings and Eric comes running down to open the door and it is mister Feenie. Sean welcomes Phoene to his date, which is very funny, so cute.

00:30:44
Speaker 3: Feeney reveals he got Eric's mail.

00:30:46
Speaker 2: Eric starts to panic, thinking Peene knows he paid someone to write his paper. But Pheene just wants the three dollars and change for a cod which, for our dear listeners who may not know this existed, that was cash on delivery. You could have something sent to your house and then you just pay for it in cash right there. It was a very eighties and nineties thing.

00:31:05
Speaker 4: M hm.

00:31:06
Speaker 2: So you give him like three seventy five or something. And Veronica asks Sean, is this the weirdest state you've ever been on? And Seohn says not really. One time on a blind date, I got set up with my uncle Mary. Long story, Uncle Mary again Uncle Mary, and the uncle stories just keep rolling.

00:31:23
Speaker 4: This is also I have to say the third third trans joke. Yeah, the third or fourth transgender joke.

00:31:30
Speaker 1: And we haven't since we started. And then and then obviously we have Chick like Me.

00:31:33
Speaker 4: So right, and then and then Eric dresses Eric and uh John dress up too.

00:31:38
Speaker 5: I mean no, this is kind of an ongoing theme.

00:31:40
Speaker 2: Of I know, I'll be interested to see when we get to that episode how those like, how well or not well the episode, like, does it feel totally out of place?

00:31:52
Speaker 5: Yeah, Chick like Me, I think it's going to be is going to hold just really well.

00:31:55
Speaker 3: And I don't know that American Jackson thing about it at all.

00:31:59
Speaker 4: I don't think Eric and Jack because it was played for the joke, whereas Chick Like Me was played.

00:32:03
Speaker 1: I mean there was there was that went on. Yeah, there was no learning with Eric and Jack. What's what it was. It was a joke.

00:32:09
Speaker 4: So I don't think that'll hold up on that side. It might hold up as a comedy, but who knows. But yeah, I think chick is going to hold up really well.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: Frankly, we'll get to it. Alan Amy and Corey now walk in again, creating a real party in the living room. Corey pointing to Sean Yelle's people people, the man is on a date.

00:32:25
Speaker 3: That's Veronica Watson.

00:32:26
Speaker 2: For crying out loud and everyone then awkwardly stares at her.

00:32:29
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny, where it's like very.

00:32:31
Speaker 3: Funny but also still a bit of a weird button. Yeah, just a button of people going hmmm, let's check out this Veronica Watson like.

00:32:39
Speaker 2: And then we're in a very funny scene in Alan's car, which I love. Sean and Veronica are making out in the back seat while Alan is driving. Alan makes them stop smooching. He threatens to pull the car over.

00:32:51
Speaker 1: To that teenage, I mean, I was one of them. The teenagers will do this.

00:32:56
Speaker 3: I thought the same thing.

00:32:56
Speaker 2: I was like our teenagers that comfortable making out in front of their parents.

00:32:59
Speaker 1: But but it's also not his parents. Yeah, but it's so bizarre to me. But I definitely did this. Oh I remember making out and like I actually had a memory.

00:33:11
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:33:11
Speaker 1: Angel and Vicki we talked about all this podcast. We're visiting me up in my hometown and we had my friend, my best friend, Nathan, was in the car with his girlfriend in the back of the car and we were driving somewhere and Nathan and his girlfriend were just making out just like this scene, and I just remember we got really quiet in the car and we could just hear the angel just went sounds like somebody is making spaghetti. We all lost it and they was so embarrassed, like, but like, what are you doing? You're just sitting there making Oh I'm.

00:33:50
Speaker 2: Saying, is so much fun when you're a kid, it's just so much fun.

00:33:57
Speaker 1: So embarrassing, but you're just so like you're so desperate to be like alone or have the opportunity to to make out. It's so it's so bizarre. Oh but it's even more bizarre than there's a TV show about it.

00:34:11
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

00:34:13
Speaker 2: Alan realizes he's turned into his father, which is a rite of passage for all men his age. They eventually get to Veronica's house and Sean asks if Alan can take them around the block a few more times, but Alan says no, so Sean starts kissing Veronica again and eventually she gets out.

00:34:27
Speaker 4: How rust he was great with this Bye bye bye, okay bye bye.

00:34:31
Speaker 3: So funny this whole scene.

00:34:32
Speaker 1: I love.

00:34:33
Speaker 3: I think it's just hilarious.

00:34:34
Speaker 2: Alan asks if Sean is forgetting anything and he tries to tip Alan, but Alan meant he should walk as date to the door. Another great joke, and Sean says, if he gets out of the car, he ain't ever coming back.

00:34:46
Speaker 1: So it's a great joke.

00:34:49
Speaker 4: It's it's an phenomenal scene that at the end of the day, really isn't necessary at all. He didn't need to have Alan driving them home, and you didn't need to have them in the car. I mean, it wasn't like you could have just cut this entire scene if you wanted to, and then cut to Sean at the you know, in the bedroom going like, ooh, I need to be I need to be. Oh, I got to see her. I got to see her if you wanted to. It was a it was a great scene all the way around. It's just not necessary.

00:35:16
Speaker 2: Well, I do think if you had just gone to the next scene, you would wonder where did she go? Because you're if you you'd have to stay in the house. The last time you would have seen her was the family looking at her. Yeah versaa Watson, They're all looking at her. And then the next scene is I've got to see her.

00:35:28
Speaker 4: I've got is just you had one line at the beginning of that scene like dude, she went home, the date was over.

00:35:33
Speaker 5: It's like I know, but I can't.

00:35:34
Speaker 2: I got Alan at the end of that scene being like, come on, Veronica, I'm taking you home, and then the next.

00:35:38
Speaker 5: Scene are It's a great scene, it just wasn't necessary.

00:35:42
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting.

00:35:43
Speaker 2: So then we're in Corey and Eric's room. Sean is pacing back and forth. He misses Veronica and he's planning to sneak out of the Matthew's house for more kissing. Corey is wearing a Randall Cunningham jersey f YI, and the name has been taken.

00:35:54
Speaker 3: Off of the back.

00:35:55
Speaker 1: Just yeah, number twelve.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: I would call that a number twelve Randall Cunningham. In a callback to you don't know what football he was a quarterback Philadelphia equals yes.

00:36:05
Speaker 2: In a callback to the end of season two, Corey asks Sean if maybe once when he stays it us at his house, maybe he could actually try and stay, which I thought was a very joke.

00:36:14
Speaker 3: Yep, a good joke. Sean tries to leave through the window, but.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: Alan and Amy are in the backyard making out, blocking his escape route. As a result, Sean makes an elaborate escape plan by climbing down a tree, and Corey explains to Sean he can just go out the front door instead, and after a bit of thinking, Sean says, this is a plan so crazy.

00:36:35
Speaker 4: It's crazy, it just might work.

00:36:39
Speaker 2: Then we are at Turner's apartment. Sean takes Veronica to Turner's apartment aka the Hotel de Shawn as he calls it. But when he opens the door and turns the lights on, we see Turner is on the couch making out with a new girl. A new woman, I should say a woman. She's not a girl. Sean asks what Turner is doing there, and he asks the same question back to Sean.

00:37:00
Speaker 3: Double li.

00:37:03
Speaker 4: Can we very briefly talk about how so everybody's hooking up in this episode?

00:37:08
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the point.

00:37:10
Speaker 4: Except Corey and Topanga, who are now a new couple, Like, why would that not be part of it?

00:37:17
Speaker 3: I know we get plenty of makeout.

00:37:20
Speaker 5: Man, is that does that lend itself to this episode?

00:37:24
Speaker 1: It just does whatever?

00:37:27
Speaker 2: So it's uh, We're still in Turner's apartment. Turner says this is bad, and Sean says this is bad and.

00:37:34
Speaker 1: In this episode.

00:37:36
Speaker 3: Introed him in the last episode.

00:37:37
Speaker 1: It's a weird episode. I wonder if this was you know, this is it feels like this episode might have been written before the last one. Right, maybe they decided because you know, the way that season two ended was with this Sean Turner dynamic, so it's it makes a natural progression to be like, let's start season three with developing the Shawn Turner dynamic. But and they clearly like decided, no, no, no, let's make a whole episode about getting Cory to bang it together first.

00:38:05
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's very very strange. But you're right that Alex wasn't in it, Danielle wasn't in it. It was yeah, yeah, all that everybody's hooking up.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, it was strange.

00:38:14
Speaker 4: It was a great episode, but it just it did it seemed out of place a little bit.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: So Turner says, this is bad. Seawan says this is bad, Veronica says, is this bad? And the new woman says it's pretty bad. Honey, it's pretty bad.

00:38:25
Speaker 1: Honey.

00:38:26
Speaker 2: It's a cute little run. Sean says, no, it isn't what it looks like. He explains that Turner is Veronica's favorite teacher and she wanted a tour of the house. Next up Fanny's Turner yells stay like he's talking to a dog. And Turner's date says she's going to leave and offers to take Veronica home.

00:38:42
Speaker 1: Turner plays off of my like like she goes along with my scheme, like it's so funny.

00:38:48
Speaker 2: She's like, oh yeah, yeah, yep, She's totally in for the ride, which again is another great thing where you don't ever feel uncomfortable about how much Sewan's trying to make out.

00:38:57
Speaker 3: She's right there with you.

00:38:58
Speaker 2: It's the two of you in on this team together and just tied to each other.

00:39:02
Speaker 3: It works really great.

00:39:03
Speaker 4: Can we also talk about because now we're going to get into the actual lie that Jonathan tells Schawn, and if you go back to the first scene where he's talking about the wedding, this is an elaborate lie.

00:39:16
Speaker 3: Liars often give too much details.

00:39:18
Speaker 1: I mean, man, he go but it does. He goes off on the whole.

00:39:22
Speaker 4: All right, I'll call my friend and I'll tell him not to do because I rented a tux.

00:39:25
Speaker 1: I did it. It's like he I mean, man, yeah, he lied. Just yeah, it's yeah, this is very elaborate.

00:39:34
Speaker 5: This isn't hey, I'm going to be out of town.

00:39:35
Speaker 4: This is backstory and people that are going to be there and making him feel guilty for who am I gonna have my friend move his entire wedding.

00:39:43
Speaker 1: I mean it's like this was thought out.

00:39:45
Speaker 3: He really likes this new girl, Chris.

00:39:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:39:48
Speaker 2: So then Veronica and Sean wave goodbye sadly to each other. Turner asks Sean what he was thinking, and he says, if I can't trust you, And just as Sean is about to defend himself, he realizes something and asks how was the wedding pals Really great, great read. You see it hit you. You see the the wheels turning. You don't ask it too angry. It's such a perfect read.

00:40:13
Speaker 5: It's also.

00:40:15
Speaker 1: Because it has nothing to do with school.

00:40:17
Speaker 4: It's street smart stuff, so you get it, you know what I mean, Like Sean gets it because it's.

00:40:22
Speaker 1: Like, oh wait, you were scanning me.

00:40:25
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of respect there.

00:40:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost. Oh yeah, Well that's what's great about this. The rest of the scene is that it gets back to that sort of us on the couch together talking about doing life and you know, like how I'm going to help them with girls. It's it's a great dynamic. Really, Sean and Turner be kind of equals.

00:40:42
Speaker 2: Well, mister Turner gets defensive and Sean asks, how about that tuxedo?

00:40:46
Speaker 3: Does it come to TUXI?

00:40:48
Speaker 2: Turner says he's the adult and Sean is the kid, and Sean asks, so what does that mean? You can lie but I can't? Again, great love this dynamic. Turner says he needs a little He said he needed a little privacy, and Sean says he didn't realize he was cramping a style. Turner says, this is his place and he doesn't have to defend himself. Shawn storms out, which seems to be a very Sean's becoming a very shn thing to do.

00:41:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a I'm a great stormer.

00:41:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've a you're an established storm rout storm. And then we're in the Matthew's backyard slash side yard. We hear Turner pull up on his loud motorcycle to look for Sean, and Feene opens his door and asks if that was his motorcycle or if a shuttle just landed. Phoene says, uh.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: In the smoking robe. Yeah, I love yeah, George love that.

00:41:41
Speaker 2: Phoene says he knew the arrangement Sewn and Turner made had the potential to ruin someone's private life, and Turner says his private life is far from ruined, and then Phoene says, I meant mine, which is which is great? And then a woman listed as Nancy in the subtitles, by the Way, calls for Feenie from inside his house, asking where he keeps his towels.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: The trowels they could have used any word.

00:42:06
Speaker 4: She could have called for any a, George, where's the wine open or anything?

00:42:10
Speaker 5: They made towels which alludes to nudity.

00:42:13
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out.

00:42:15
Speaker 4: It could have picked anything, but they could have. I thought about that was that was done.

00:42:20
Speaker 3: On purpose inside the house?

00:42:21
Speaker 1: Anyone's new. They couldn't picked anything not wearing globes.

00:42:26
Speaker 4: They could wears the salad, where's the dressing, where's the wine glasses?

00:42:30
Speaker 1: He could have picked anything. Where the towels? George, I'm nicking.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: Phoenie says, Remember I'm going to be late on Monday morning dental appointment. Turner suspicious Quen's questions dental appointment, and Phoene says, she is my dentist.

00:42:46
Speaker 4: So is he planning on sleeping with this woman all weekend to the point that he's thing on Monday.

00:42:55
Speaker 3: Again she can't leave Monday mornings.

00:42:59
Speaker 2: This out no sense because he's early on front. You know, maybe he has to take her to the airport. Ven he goes back into the house. I'm assuming to get her some towels, and Alan opens the Matthew's door but tells Turner now isn't a good time. But Turner comes inside anyway, looking for Sean. Corey comes down and says he doesn't know where Sean is, and finally telling the truth, it feels good. He says good night everyone, and he heads back upstairs, and then he quickly comes back down and asks Turner, aren't you supposed to be in Pittsburgh? And Turner says yes, and that hurts, and it's so good. Now alone, Turner tells Alan he lied to Sean. Alan guesses exactly what happened. Sean came to his apartment with Veronica and then caught him in the line, and Turner.

00:43:54
Speaker 3: Says, oh, you're good, And then.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: Amy calls for Alan for up upstairs, saying the bathtub is full, the champagne is flowing, and the candles are lit, and then she walks down in this fancy red long lingerie dress.

00:44:10
Speaker 3: It's so pretty. And by the way, I have the exact same.

00:44:14
Speaker 2: One but in blue, and it was my mother's from the eighties. Wow, And Jensen calls it my fancy ghost nightgown?

00:44:24
Speaker 3: Does you look like a fancy ghost in that?

00:44:27
Speaker 2: And she came down in that red nightgown and Jensen and I both went ghost.

00:44:35
Speaker 4: I did have one question that was pointed out by my wife, which is, if they're getting in the tub and they're just starting all of this, why is she in a nightgown?

00:44:44
Speaker 3: You think she should have come down?

00:44:45
Speaker 4: No, no, I think I'm just cheering for taking You're going to be in a robe to get into the bathtub? My questions, Right, So then take a bath.

00:44:59
Speaker 2: Maybe the bath is aft her okay, making.

00:45:04
Speaker 3: Out went upstairs.

00:45:06
Speaker 2: That's sexy, okay, And now they're taking a bath to end the night.

00:45:11
Speaker 5: So sexy already happened.

00:45:12
Speaker 4: But then he wouldn't be like no, no, no, no, it's not a good time.

00:45:16
Speaker 1: Come on.

00:45:19
Speaker 2: They had to get the joke that she has to come to her, so funny she was just in a robe, it wouldn't have been quite as funny.

00:45:27
Speaker 3: And Jon's here beautiful, serious, hilarious.

00:45:31
Speaker 2: Okay, So she is mortified, Amy runs back upstairs and Turner says, sorry, like a little boy, and it's so funny. Turner says he's going to go look for Sean, and Alan asks where Turner doesn't know. He asks Alan, what was I thinking asking Sean to come live with me? I'm a single guy. I'm not ready to be a parent, And Alan says he's got three kids and he's still not ready.

00:45:55
Speaker 1: And that show is so good at this point, Like this is when I just love so much because I'm like too. Every character is allowed their anxiety and you're able to like bounce it off each other and like insecurities and not knowing what they're doing, and so the adults are complicated, complex, they're helping each other.

00:46:15
Speaker 5: Everyone goes to everybody else for advice, which is nice.

00:46:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, this is nice, just wonderful to see it played out, and you're like, yeah, like, how does Turner know what to be a dad? Like that doesn't make any it must be crazy. And then the fact that you know, Rusty's allowed to sort of also admit he doesn't know what he's doing, like right, It's just great. It's just fully developed and the acting is incredible. I just love these guys.

00:46:37
Speaker 3: It's also really nice.

00:46:38
Speaker 2: One of the criticisms writer that you've had about Corey is how he can have a tendency to make everything about him. And one of the things I love is that in this situation, when Turner says, you know, what was I thinking? What was I doing? And Alan says, listen, I don't know what I'm doing either. Instead of saying just that, listen, let me tell you about my experience. And I've got three kids, he actually get He actually gives them a compliment. He goes, listen, I know feels like you don't know what's going on, but I've seen you with Sean.

00:47:03
Speaker 1: You're really great.

00:47:04
Speaker 3: Good.

00:47:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're great with him.

00:47:05
Speaker 2: That little bit of like you're doing a good job is exactly what what sometimes you need as a parent or as a responsible adult figure who's who's maybe feeling in over your head. Is like, you've got this. And he gives that to him and gives him an example. So he says he's seen mister Turner with Sean and that he's great. Turner says he wasn't great about an hour ago, and then Alan tells a story about losing four year old Eric at an amusement park, and Eric just rolled a roller coaster for six hours, which has many.

00:47:34
Speaker 4: Loops, make any sense because a four year old is not going to be on a loop coaster.

00:47:38
Speaker 1: Ever, know you're not past that n thing.

00:47:42
Speaker 2: Yes, may be you might be a lot of those roller coasters are well, I don't know about the looped ones. I was gonna say a lot of them are just forty two inches, which Adler is already forty inches?

00:47:50
Speaker 1: Is he? Okay?

00:47:50
Speaker 5: So maybe I guess, but I don't know.

00:47:52
Speaker 3: Maybe not. Maybe one with a loop wouldn't be forty.

00:47:54
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.

00:47:55
Speaker 4: I think the loop ones are bigger. And again that's just me being yeah, that being crazy about it, But that happens, by the way we do. This happened in my life when I was four or five. I kind of ran away from my dad at a amusement park and I went and I rode the tea cups because I thought everything was fine. And it's still a story my dad tells where he's like, I had twenty minutes.

00:48:16
Speaker 1: Of you know, this is the eighties, where it was.

00:48:19
Speaker 4: Like, I'm sure you were kidnapped by this point, and I'm running all over the place where getting security or doing and I find you on the tea cups by yourself.

00:48:30
Speaker 1: Dad thrown an F bomb in there. I think he did.

00:48:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually did, because he's like attorney captain for Dell.

00:48:37
Speaker 3: It's even attorney captain for now a J. You're doing a JJ.

00:48:46
Speaker 1: You have to tell that story. Have already told that story. I feel like we might have already told that. I've already told that.

00:48:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:48:51
Speaker 1: My dad refers to you got a drugs, talking to how are you going to get through life when you're doing how to.

00:48:58
Speaker 5: Get through life if you're doing a J. I was like, but no, we had this.

00:49:03
Speaker 1: This literal thing. I remember my dad talking.

00:49:06
Speaker 4: To me about this episode, like you did that, you ran away at face.

00:49:09
Speaker 3: Stole this from your life.

00:49:10
Speaker 1: I thought this was a possible origin story for Eric's not brightness.

00:49:17
Speaker 3: They allude to it.

00:49:17
Speaker 1: I know because at the end of the episode, at the end of the scene, he's like, yo, because you come in, and then he's like, yeah, just around a round. I was like, oh, because the theory of.

00:49:28
Speaker 5: This could be that we figure it out.

00:49:30
Speaker 2: Eric then walks in reading his term paper about the Manhattan Project and he is bewildered that it actually took place in New Mexico. He says he could be a scientist. And then Turner looks at Alan and says, six hours.

00:49:41
Speaker 3: Huh.

00:49:42
Speaker 4: I remember this was like take two or three, and I didn't know what to do, and Tony's were talking about the button of the scene and all that kind of stuff, and Tony he's like, yeah, you'll figure out.

00:49:50
Speaker 1: He figured it.

00:49:51
Speaker 4: And I just started concentrating on the coke can and like tapping the can and people started laughing, and he's like, where did that come from?

00:49:57
Speaker 5: I went, I don't know's I have no idea, and it was it was just I didn't know what to do, just right, make it a thing, yeah, to make it a thing.

00:50:05
Speaker 3: So funny.

00:50:06
Speaker 2: And then we're in Turner's apartment. Sean is sitting on the couch when Turner walks in. He says he took off, but he had no place to go, so he came back. Sean asks what should we do now, and Turner says he doesn't know because Sean didn't come with an instruction manual, and he's making it up as he goes along, and again we get that same little bit of the thing that made the last scene so beautiful. These adults admitting vulnerably that they don't actually know what to do and they have to just figure it out as they go is just amazing. And Sean says Turner lied to him, and Turner apologizes, which is another thing I think is so beautiful. I think it is so great when an adult can apologize to a child for something they did that was wrong.

00:50:44
Speaker 1: It don't mean I have not changed that much physically, but don't I seem so much older than last season? Yes? You do, but it was striking to me that I look, I mean, I'm fifteen in real life, and I just it's like I actually haven't grown any like I haven't gotten taller, but you can just tell her do. I just feel I just feel so much older, you know, And it's a really I could feel it in this in this episode, way more than even the last one. I was like, Oh, I'm I'm like a full teenager.

00:51:11
Speaker 3: Now your your teenage really mature?

00:51:13
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, your fae I don't know. But what's funny is how often then it switches on a dime when I can you know, when I give him these sort of like sad puppy dog looks that I do still kind of look like a little kid, and I'm like, oh god, I look young there, But then the next second, I definitely look older. It's like, in a weird way, I feel like I have I now look like I when we talk about the second season, how weird it was that everybody was making out and you know, it felt too old. Like now I feel like I'm appropriately the right age going through all the stuff that the writing for me.

00:51:44
Speaker 2: It's like agreed, and I think that actually everything you just described is one of the uh like very realistic aspects of teenagehood that are hard for parents, where it's like you are both so mature and yet such an idiot kid, such a child, and yet also kind of grown up and finding that like balance of what to allow you to have independence on what not to. It's such a it's such a back and forth.

00:52:12
Speaker 3: So Turner, don't.

00:52:15
Speaker 2: Turner apologizes, and Sean also, but also Sean should not be bringing fifteen year old girls home back to the apartment alone. Sean asks if Turner is going to kick him out, but mister Turner explains, listen, Sean, every time there's a mistake, it doesn't mean someone needs to take off, which another beautiful lesson that is so important and so touching knowing the kind of life that Sean has had that in this relationship, in real family dynamics, healthy family dynamics, you can f up. You can make a mistake, you can do something wrong, and it doesn't need to be a breakup or an end, or it doesn't need to be. It just you both messed up, and we'll do it right next time, which is what he says.

00:52:58
Speaker 1: Next, and you can still bring I have a life lesson with Sewn's history. Yes, so you can know without having to really be stated because we've already known that his mom took off. It's just wonderful.

00:53:08
Speaker 4: And you're in a wonderful safe space with a ridiculous number of magazines, is the other thing that's way. I was like, he's got like forty magazines at his coffee.

00:53:22
Speaker 1: Table, Like, what the hell's going on?

00:53:25
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's nice, Sean says, Look, if Turner, you want to be alone with your girlfriend, you can just tell me, well, I can find something to do. And then he throws in there and if I want to be alone with my girlfriends, you can do the same right, which is so funny. Turner shoots him a look and Sean says.

00:53:41
Speaker 3: Wow, I had to try.

00:53:42
Speaker 2: They shake hands and Sean asks, very genuinely, are we cool, and Turner says, yeah, we're cool, and it's a beautiful moment between you.

00:53:50
Speaker 1: It's great. Well. I was like sitting there going thinking about how we talked about the ending of the episode with Rusty and Ben. I was like, this is getting a little too sentiment like right here, I was like, and then thankfully there's a joke's an extra read. I was like, oh, if we freeze frame on this, I'm going to be a little different.

00:54:07
Speaker 2: But no, there's a few seconds of silence. Turner asks, is Veronica behind the couch? Sean says yes, and she pops up from behind them and says nice place.

00:54:16
Speaker 3: And she's a great actress, And that's one of those moments. It's so funny.

00:54:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wish they'd given her more or brought it by now. I think this is only know the only episode she did was she's fantastic.

00:54:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's really good.

00:54:27
Speaker 2: Sean says, Veronica wats in like everyone should give him a pass for everything because she's so beautiful, and then we're in the tag it's the school hallway. Phoene comes looking for Eric after creating his term paper.

00:54:38
Speaker 3: Eric says he almost enjoyed.

00:54:40
Speaker 2: Writing the paper, and Phoene says he was assigned to the Manhattan Project. But the paper is about Abraham Lincoln. All the while Corey is watching in the background. The paper that was submitted to Feene was not only about Abraham Lincoln. It was actually a paper that had been written by Sean Hunter last year.

00:54:59
Speaker 3: It talks about Lincoln, Beard and Colonel Sanders.

00:55:01
Speaker 1: Great beards, and the great periods of history. So actually probably be a great book somebody's.

00:55:09
Speaker 3: Out there somewhere, good idea.

00:55:11
Speaker 2: Eric lets it slip that he paid for the paper in an ad he saw from the back of a magazine, but it's confused how his paper was swapped with Shawn's.

00:55:18
Speaker 3: Right. Then Corey comes up and says, life's.

00:55:20
Speaker 2: Tough, get a helmet, and he hits Eric on the forehead the same way he hit him at the beginning of the episode.

00:55:26
Speaker 3: Eric tells is probably why that line is so iconic.

00:55:28
Speaker 1: It comes around delayed callback, Yeah, yeah, and it works. It really works.

00:55:34
Speaker 2: Eric tells Feoene he has to go make some room at his breakfast table and runs after Corey and it's just a great cute, funny episode.

00:55:43
Speaker 4: I did the so in that take, I stop and I look behind me like I lost him, which is eat straight up John Belushi from Animal House.

00:55:51
Speaker 1: And you can hear our writers.

00:55:53
Speaker 4: It's one of those times you can hear our writers and producers laughing like it mostly for the exactly it's a complete thing for them. And I remember get getting backstage there and Ben's like, what did you do? And I'm like, oh, I just look like I lost you, And he's like, you know, oh, okay, because it was we.

00:56:08
Speaker 1: Heard the writers. Good it.

00:56:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was just like a straight up John Belushi Animal House moment.

00:56:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, so funny.

00:56:15
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