"Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" (1989) vs. "Lethal Weapon 2" (1989): Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, do it? Yeah? Listen, all right? Ready one?
<v Speaker 2>Two?
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Wait wait wait wait wait are we going on three?
<v Speaker 1>Or is it like one two three? And then go
<v Speaker 1>like three? Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever you say, coaches.
<v Speaker 1>Listen to this on three Okay, so it's like one
<v Speaker 1>two and then we go to three. Yes, okay, all right.
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<v Speaker 3>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely you Can't
<v Speaker 3>Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 1>We're over here having just too much fun for the sun.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, this is so great to go
<v Speaker 1>back to nineteen eighty nine and live like I'm a
<v Speaker 1>little fourteen year old kid again with Riggs and Indy
<v Speaker 1>and just live in these movies is awesome. I know.
<v Speaker 2>The summer of nineteen eighty nine was so special. And
<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you something about the summer of
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, did you ever get Entertainment Weekly Magazine?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Oh heck, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So they used to come out with a summer
<v Speaker 2>movie preview, and I always I couldn't wait to get
<v Speaker 2>my hands on that because you could plan out, you
<v Speaker 2>know what you were gonna see that summer. Listen to
<v Speaker 2>the movies that came out that summer that are just sequels.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, I just I need to preff. I'm gonna,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna. I'm gonna tease up an old episode that
<v Speaker 1>we did here. But I mean, like, guys, we've had
<v Speaker 1>an episode that was what was the best year in
<v Speaker 1>the eighties four movies? And the man sitting across the
<v Speaker 1>table from me picked nineteen eighty nine. I get id.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, so here's here's some backing on his
<v Speaker 1>decision on why he's picking eighty nine is the best
<v Speaker 1>year in the eighties three moties.
<v Speaker 2>So you gotta you gotta clear your mind of how
<v Speaker 2>good these movies actually turned out to be and just
<v Speaker 2>go back to like May first, nineteen eighty nine, when
<v Speaker 2>you got your hands on that Entertainment Weekly magazine.
<v Speaker 1>This is what was coming down the.
<v Speaker 2>Pipe, ATCHU. Okay, So earlier that spring, we already had
<v Speaker 2>The Fly Part two, We had fletched Lives. We had
<v Speaker 2>Police Academy six.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, I love how you started with
<v Speaker 1>what now you got to keep in mind not how
<v Speaker 1>they finished, but how excited we were for how excited
<v Speaker 1>we were. Well, that's right. Okayltz's finest word.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, listen, he got fired from Back to the Future too,
<v Speaker 2>but he rebounded with the fly thing.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>That summer, you had Friday Night Part two, which we
<v Speaker 2>talked about because the Menendez brother's murders.
<v Speaker 1>This is crazy, this weird.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it caused it to go in the tape because
<v Speaker 2>there's no promotions because they killed their dad was a
<v Speaker 2>charge of promotion.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Yeah, the guy who was going to be
<v Speaker 1>the big producer was like, yes, we're going to do this,
<v Speaker 1>and then they waited and waited, like why isn't this
<v Speaker 1>guy calling hi us back? Oh? Because his children killed him?
<v Speaker 4>What?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? All right, sorry, I'm totally I'm boing bombing your
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. Let's do it again.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, Friday Part two. You have Indy three that summer,
<v Speaker 2>which of course we're going to talk about today. You
<v Speaker 2>have Star Trek Part five. Hey, it didn't turn out
<v Speaker 2>to be great, but you had a Star Trek movie
<v Speaker 2>coming at you that summer. Yeah, Ghostbusters Part two?
<v Speaker 1>Are you kidding me?
<v Speaker 2>We were excited to see.
<v Speaker 1>That, Yeah, we were. We were right.
<v Speaker 2>Karate Kid Part three, Yep. You had Leath Weapon two,
<v Speaker 2>which I was freaking fired up for. You had License
<v Speaker 2>to Kill another James Bond movie that summer. Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>have Friday the Thirteenth Part eight, which we will we
<v Speaker 2>love those movies. You have Nineer and elm Street Part five,
<v Speaker 2>and of course later on that year you get Halloween
<v Speaker 2>Part five, Back to the Future Part two, Are you
<v Speaker 2>kidding me?
<v Speaker 1>There you go?
<v Speaker 2>And Christmas Vacation.
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I mean there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean just fun movies that they were throwing
<v Speaker 2>at us just because they knew we love that. Now
<v Speaker 2>listen to this. The top three movies from nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because all you did was cover sequels, and man,
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot.
<v Speaker 2>They were a lot.
<v Speaker 1>I think seven teen or eighteen of them. That's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>I want I didn't even talk about it.
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's a record.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even talk about Toxic Avenger Part two, right, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So the top three movies in the US for that year.
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Batman obviously, which that was the summer of the
<v Speaker 2>bat Yeah, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade Ye and
<v Speaker 2>Least Weapon too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an incredible summer. It is. It is. Indeed,
<v Speaker 1>don't forget u HF.
<v Speaker 2>That's a UHF came out that summer, right and Dead
<v Speaker 2>Poets Society.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was full of great movies. Oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 1>yeah right, I mean those those two movies belong together
<v Speaker 1>in any double Dead Poe Society.
<v Speaker 2>UHF. Hey real quick, before we get started in our episode,
<v Speaker 2>we have to give a shout out to our new
<v Speaker 2>Patreon member, mister Grant Leah.
<v Speaker 1>Broughton, Executive producer Grant Lea Broughton. Grant, thank you so much.
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<v Speaker 1>member five bucks a month. Next month. Okay, Jason, So
<v Speaker 1>you remember last episode when we first part one of
<v Speaker 1>these two episodes, we were talking about the history of
<v Speaker 1>the Grail and we found out that diplomatic community is
<v Speaker 1>actually several hundred years, well over a thousand years older
<v Speaker 1>concept than the Grail is. But I said that it
<v Speaker 1>first appeared in stories written by Cretin de Troier, which
<v Speaker 1>is a French guy, right, sure, And so the name
<v Speaker 1>of the story that he wrote, and I have to
<v Speaker 1>tap tip my hat here Melissa Mingle, friend of the podcast,
<v Speaker 1>Patreon of the podcast. I was like, she knows French,
<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, can you tell me how
<v Speaker 1>to pronounce this please? And so the name of the
<v Speaker 1>story was Percival lecent nice. It's really hard to get
<v Speaker 1>that right. But so Grail is g r al in
<v Speaker 1>the French spelling. Okay, sure, okay, so just know that
<v Speaker 1>as I tell the rest of this story. Okay, So
<v Speaker 1>the Knights Templar are a huge part of the indie story, right.
<v Speaker 1>We didn't really talk about them that much, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>not going to go into them, but they're kind of
<v Speaker 1>a secret society like the Freemasons. So what I am
<v Speaker 1>going to tell you about is this guy.
<v Speaker 2>Wait, manit now they're a real society.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Knights Templar are real.
<v Speaker 2>Ok yeah, Oh heck yeah, they protect the grail.
<v Speaker 1>That's the rumor. Ok yeah, okay, right, So there was
<v Speaker 1>a guy. His father left Portugal to escape being a
<v Speaker 1>part of the priesthood, and so he went to Rio
<v Speaker 1>de Janeiro in Brazil. This is back in the eighteen hundreds, ok.
<v Speaker 1>And his dad made quite a bit of money. And
<v Speaker 1>this guy's name was Antonio Augusto Carvallo Montero. I'm just
<v Speaker 1>going to call him Carvalla Montero, all right, sure. And
<v Speaker 1>so after his he had inherited his father's fortune, he
<v Speaker 1>made it exponentially bigger because he was brilliant. He spoke
<v Speaker 1>like five different langesguages. Was a freemason, was a bibliophile,
<v Speaker 1>like what I mean. He got his law degree from
<v Speaker 1>the University of Columbia. It was part of scientific societies.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this guy was as educated a guy as
<v Speaker 1>you can get, but he was also into the occult.
<v Speaker 1>He kind of reminds me of a much smarter Walter Donovan. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so I know that he had he must have had
<v Speaker 1>his Grail diary. So ultimately what happens is he goes
<v Speaker 1>back to Portugal and when he's there he buys this
<v Speaker 1>old castle that was is called the Kenta de Regularia
<v Speaker 1>and you can still go there today. I showed you
<v Speaker 1>a picture before we started the podcast. Is big ornate,
<v Speaker 1>beautiful castle in Portugal. Now what's interesting though, is not
<v Speaker 1>the top part of the castle, but this pit that
<v Speaker 1>they have, and basically it's like a well. It's like
<v Speaker 1>an inverted steeple. Okay sure, And so he bought this place.
<v Speaker 1>This well is called the initiation Well because one of
<v Speaker 1>the prior owners of this castle, before he got it
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety two, several hundred years before, it had
<v Speaker 1>been owned by the Knights Templar. And it's believed that
<v Speaker 1>the initiation well is where they would go down and
<v Speaker 1>do their rituals like the Freemasons do and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 1>So the interesting thing is is that as you go down,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and it goes down several hundred feet like
<v Speaker 1>it's very deep. Right. In addition to that, there are
<v Speaker 1>all these rooms that kind of shoot off to the
<v Speaker 1>side that are not really rooms. They're like caves that
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they spiral through the mountain that this castle
<v Speaker 1>is next to for over five miles. It's like a
<v Speaker 1>network of tunnels into the mountains and some of them
<v Speaker 1>go underneath cathedrals. I mean, it's it is crazy, right, yeah, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So there's also a whole lot of grail symbolism at
<v Speaker 1>this place, including this the first king of Portugal. Right,
<v Speaker 1>so this is this is hundreds of years before first king,
<v Speaker 1>first King of Portugal has a seal you ready for this? Yes,
<v Speaker 1>is so great. So think about the word Portugal, all right,
<v Speaker 1>and it's in Portuguese, so it's not gonna be exactly.
<v Speaker 1>But we've got a P A U, A, R, A,
<v Speaker 1>T A, G an A and an L all in
<v Speaker 1>there right that and there it is a circle with
<v Speaker 1>these letters almost like they're going in a clock but
<v Speaker 1>kind of pitpat out of order. Right. If you take
<v Speaker 1>these letters and rearrange them, you could get Portugal, but
<v Speaker 1>you also could get poor t o Garral, which means
<v Speaker 1>through you the grail whoa. And so it is believed
<v Speaker 1>that the grail, if there is a real grail, very
<v Speaker 1>likely could be in this castle in one of the
<v Speaker 1>tunnels or something like that, and that is what Carvallo
<v Speaker 1>Montero was looking for.
<v Speaker 2>That is a great story.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure where we're going, but that that finished
<v Speaker 2>up grade.
<v Speaker 1>Good job, thanks, excellent.
<v Speaker 2>All right, we're gonna switch back over to Indiana Jones three.
<v Speaker 1>You talk about the cast.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do it, okay, So number one, you've got
<v Speaker 2>Harrison Ford.
<v Speaker 1>Archaeology is the search for fact not truth.
<v Speaker 2>Other than Mel Gibson, maybe the biggest movie star in
<v Speaker 2>the world at this time in nineteen eighty nine, I
<v Speaker 2>can't think of anybody bigger. Sure, this is his third
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones movie. He's forty six at the time he
<v Speaker 2>does this, and he is a stud and he's.
<v Speaker 1>Killing it awesome. He is. I mean, you just think
<v Speaker 1>of it if you watch the behind the scenes on this.
<v Speaker 1>He's riding that freaking horse like he is riding it
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, and it's full throttle riding that horse.
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, his hat kept coming off
<v Speaker 1>like that was the biggest problem was they couldn't keep
<v Speaker 1>the hat on his head because he was going so
<v Speaker 1>fast on these horses. That's two years younger than I
<v Speaker 1>am right now, And I gotta tell you I wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>be doing that crap with a horse. I would not
<v Speaker 1>be running around, flying off stuff and having caught on
<v Speaker 1>the side of a tank that they just made out
<v Speaker 1>a plastic and chewing gum the day before. What right,
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>The quote Billy Crystal in City Slickers.
<v Speaker 1>My ass here is just looking at that.
<v Speaker 2>You also have Sean freaking Connery as Doctor Henry's Jones.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean when they when they decide that they're
<v Speaker 1>gonna the storyline is going to be the reunion or
<v Speaker 1>the father and son relationship, right, that's the key ingredient.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, who do we get to play the father?
<v Speaker 1>The very first thing that Spielberg says, you just think
<v Speaker 1>back to that day on the beach the Sandcastle, Indian,
<v Speaker 1>and Jones's father has to be James Bond, and it
<v Speaker 1>has to be the first James Bond, and it has
<v Speaker 1>to be the best James Bond. It has to be
<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery. And so fortunately Sean Connery read the script
<v Speaker 1>and he liked it.
<v Speaker 2>He was delighted, I find But if I just God
<v Speaker 2>was think.
<v Speaker 1>Solution presents itself. He however, is a guy He's an
<v Speaker 1>actor who will look at a script and he will add,
<v Speaker 1>he will take and it is like a study for
<v Speaker 1>him where he will go in and he will he
<v Speaker 1>will say, okay, this is this character is missing certain aspects.
<v Speaker 1>We need to develop these aspects. And he brought that
<v Speaker 1>to the table, like he changed who Henry Jones was.
<v Speaker 1>He said the character was a little flat before he
<v Speaker 1>got involved. But then he gets involved, brings ideas. I
<v Speaker 1>think he was supposed to be more like Calvinists originally,
<v Speaker 1>and obviously this is he falls more on the Catholic
<v Speaker 1>side of things once we get our final picture here.
<v Speaker 1>But he brings these ideas to the table. They take
<v Speaker 1>that to Jeffrey Baum, and that is how we get
<v Speaker 1>Henry Jones senior.
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, you know, they tried to get him back for
<v Speaker 2>Crystal Skull and he wouldn't come back because he read
<v Speaker 2>the scripts like, guy, this is not any good.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not coming back once again. He was right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Now, he had had an averse too big name
<v Speaker 2>franchises because of his Bond experience. Right, he did not
<v Speaker 2>want to get buried in paparazzi and all that crap. Again,
<v Speaker 2>Sean Connery experiences kind of a resurgence during this time. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so he does play James Bond again and never say
<v Speaker 2>never again, like he said. In eighty three, he wins
<v Speaker 2>the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for The Intouchables. Great movie,
<v Speaker 2>great character. He does In the Name of the Rose
<v Speaker 2>in eighty six. He does Highlander in eighty six.
<v Speaker 1>We talked about that, and then he goes on.
<v Speaker 2>He does The Presidio in eighty eight, he does Indiana
<v Speaker 2>Jones in nineteen eighty nine, and then he does Hunt
<v Speaker 2>for October. He's doing Rising Sun, First Night the Rock.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he goes on to all these great movies
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties where he is just like Highlander two,
<v Speaker 2>but he experiences a total career resurgence from The Intouchables.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, he was only fifty eight at the
<v Speaker 2>time he filmed this.
<v Speaker 1>So he's only twelve years older than Harrison four years
<v Speaker 1>older than Harrison Ford.
<v Speaker 2>And it was his idea that Henry Jones Senior and
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones had slept with the same woman. That was
<v Speaker 2>his duation.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yes, and it's believable, yes, which is again
<v Speaker 1>funny because she's twenty one, three, twenty three. Yeah, she's
<v Speaker 1>twenty three years old, and now she's playing an older
<v Speaker 1>person because she's a doctor and you're just not going
<v Speaker 1>to probably be a female doctor PhD kind of person
<v Speaker 1>in the thirties at that age. But still with Sean
<v Speaker 1>Connery ever, not bettable. I don't think so. I don't
<v Speaker 1>think so.
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's talk about Alison Didy real quick.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I never expected to see you again. I'm like
<v Speaker 1>a bad penny. I always turned.
<v Speaker 5>So.
<v Speaker 2>She was twenty one twenty three at the time this
<v Speaker 2>movie was made. Her character was supposed to be twenty
<v Speaker 2>nine doctor Elsha Snyder, doctor Elsa Schneider.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't know if you know this or not.
<v Speaker 2>She is the youngest Bond girl to date. Really, she
<v Speaker 2>was a Bond girl in A View two a Kill
<v Speaker 2>she was eighteen years old.
<v Speaker 1>Connection.
<v Speaker 2>Nice, there you go, so Roger Moore Bond movie. But still, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Bond girl. She doesn't do a whole lot after this.
<v Speaker 2>She's Irish playing Austrian.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you buy that Austrian accent, do? Yeah. She talked
<v Speaker 1>about being surprised that she got picked at all, of course,
<v Speaker 1>and then it's a significant amount of time between the
<v Speaker 1>time that you get picked to do something in the
<v Speaker 1>time that filming actually starts, and so she worked really
<v Speaker 1>hard on her accent. But yeah, I buy it. I
<v Speaker 1>do too. I think it's great.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is how you start goodbye in Austria,
<v Speaker 2>and this is how we say goodbye in Germany.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she could have talked like jar Jar binks and
<v Speaker 1>I would have said it was a great, great job.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about River Phoenix for a second.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I crossed an important artiffact. It belongs in a museum.
<v Speaker 2>River Phoenix was almost eighteen years old. He when he
<v Speaker 2>plays the part of Indiana Jones.
<v Speaker 1>Young, right, Henry Jones or Junior, don't call me that.
<v Speaker 2>That sequence at the beginning is so awesome. Yeah, you
<v Speaker 2>actually get to see Indiana Jones being made, being forged
<v Speaker 2>in that scene.
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit, shall we. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>So number one, he's probably stealing his first artifact. So
<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a major life moment.
<v Speaker 2>It belongs in a museum, right Number two.
<v Speaker 1>At that time, At that moment, the other kid, the
<v Speaker 1>heavy kid that he's with, is scared and he's like
<v Speaker 1>it's just a snake, and he throws it away like
<v Speaker 1>it's no big deal, right, so you're like, oh, that's
<v Speaker 1>a different Okay, Well he ends up on that train
<v Speaker 1>and so we've got he's stolen his first artifact. Then
<v Speaker 1>he falls in the pit of snakes where he's completely
<v Speaker 1>covered in the pit of snakes. So there's life point
<v Speaker 1>number two. Now he has a fear of snakes. Then
<v Speaker 1>he ends up in the lion's car. Yep, so what
<v Speaker 1>does he do. He runs to the wall and finds
<v Speaker 1>the bull whip, and we can tell this is his
<v Speaker 1>first time to ever use a bullwhep. But there's life
<v Speaker 1>event number three. Then when he uses the bullwhip, he
<v Speaker 1>cracks it and it gives him the scar underneath his chin,
<v Speaker 1>which is a scar Harrison Ford actually has. And then
<v Speaker 1>once he finally I mean, you can tell that the
<v Speaker 1>main guy, leader of the guys who were getting Coronado's cross,
<v Speaker 1>is very much in Indiana Jones looking guy. And at
<v Speaker 1>the end of that whole sequence, what happens is he
<v Speaker 1>gives him his hat. So in one maybe hour and
<v Speaker 1>a half period, he has developed five to six major Indiana.
<v Speaker 1>It's quite a day. It's quite a day. It's so great, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, watching it on the Big screen.
<v Speaker 2>I was dazzled by these these life changing events happening
<v Speaker 2>in front of my eyes. Yeah, you know, it's the
<v Speaker 2>it's the Leonardo DiCaprio point at the screen. Hey, that's
<v Speaker 2>the that's the scar that Harrison Ford has.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that guy's got a hat now you know.
<v Speaker 2>Now I did read that the original idea for that character.
<v Speaker 2>They call him Fedora, like he doesn't have a name.
<v Speaker 1>He lost today. Kid, does this mean you have to
<v Speaker 1>like it? That was supposed to be Abner Ravenwood at
<v Speaker 1>one point. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, because for those who
<v Speaker 1>are not as nerdy as we are, Abner Ravenwood was
<v Speaker 1>Marion's father, who Indiana had worked with ten years earlier
<v Speaker 1>from Raiders of the Lost Art.
<v Speaker 2>That's it his mentor. So that opening scene is just
<v Speaker 2>so good.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, By the way, did you see the
<v Speaker 1>name of the chip What was it? The Coronado? Oh? Yes, subtle,
<v Speaker 1>love it subtle.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, the Jones family House is a bed
<v Speaker 2>and breakfast that you can actually stay in. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's in Alamosa, Colorado.
<v Speaker 1>We gotta buy ticket, let's go. Yeah, Oh dude, that
<v Speaker 1>is awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, let's talk about Denham Elliott for a second.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad he's back, and I'm so glad that
<v Speaker 1>they really fleshed out his character on this one. He's funny,
<v Speaker 1>he is great. Yeah, he is great. Oh but I
<v Speaker 1>have a complaint to Lodge against No surprise Disney. So
<v Speaker 1>my subscription to Disney has commercials now. It didn't used to,
<v Speaker 1>but they changed the plan on me and it has
<v Speaker 1>commercials now. Right, So you know the scene where they're
<v Speaker 1>where he's they find out that Brody is the one
<v Speaker 1>that has the diary, right, and.
<v Speaker 2>He's like anyone around here to speak English?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Well yeah, So the scene the scene before that
<v Speaker 1>is Indy saying he speaks seven languages, he knows every
<v Speaker 1>custom in every village in a hundred different countries. He
<v Speaker 1>will blend in, he will disappear, you will never find him, right,
<v Speaker 1>And then that the hilarity is cut to Brody walking
<v Speaker 1>around with feathers on his face and does anyone speak English?
<v Speaker 5>Here?
<v Speaker 1>Can you help me find where I'm going? And he's
<v Speaker 1>obviously completely freakin' Disney sticks a commercial right at the
<v Speaker 1>point that it's like he will disappear. Click commercial, I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>you interrupted the joke. What is wrong with you? Well,
<v Speaker 1>it's Disney, that's what's wrong with you. Yeah. My daughter
<v Speaker 1>was like, Dad, it's okay. I'm like, it's not okay.
<v Speaker 1>And so I like, she's like, do you want to
<v Speaker 1>just rewind it so I can see how the joke goes.
<v Speaker 1>And I rewind it and she's like, oh, I don't
<v Speaker 1>get it. I'm like, oh, had we gotten it on
<v Speaker 1>the first go round?
<v Speaker 2>By the way, he passed away from AIDS related tuberculosis.
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that. Yeah, okay, let's talk about
<v Speaker 2>John Ryce Davies for a second.
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I love him saw Yeah, he's so good
<v Speaker 1>and he comes back. He's just as full. He is
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same as Raiders, which is perfect.
<v Speaker 2>He adds some levity.
<v Speaker 1>He's a friend. You know, I said, no camels. You
<v Speaker 1>have six camels hit out. This is to make up
<v Speaker 1>for my brother Loves.
<v Speaker 2>Car that one scene when he finds Brody. He actually
<v Speaker 2>finds Brody on the street and he's look here, this
<v Speaker 2>is a brand new newspaper.
<v Speaker 1>Run. Did you say run?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>It's great.
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about Julian Glover for a second. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>he's the guy who plays Walter Donovan. Yeah, great, British
<v Speaker 2>plays an American. Yeah, for you Star Wars nerds, he
<v Speaker 2>plays General Verers in the Empire strikes Back.
<v Speaker 1>He's like the pilot of one of the ad ads
<v Speaker 1>that like in like Empire. Right, he's the one who
<v Speaker 1>targets the power generator. Yeah that's right. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>He's also, get this, the main bad guy in a
<v Speaker 2>James Bond movie. Really, he plays Cristado's in For Your
<v Speaker 2>Eyes Only. Oh okay, so another Bond connection there. Nice, nice,
<v Speaker 2>No Sean Connery, but still Bond. And if I remember right,
<v Speaker 2>the guy who plays Hitler is also in Star Wars
<v Speaker 2>and he's in Empire strikes Back. He's the guy gets
<v Speaker 2>choked out by Darth Vader.
<v Speaker 1>First over the screen. Yes, yes, he's.
<v Speaker 2>As clumsy as he is stupid.
<v Speaker 1>Oh fantastic. Yep. A lot of Star Wars connections there.
<v Speaker 2>So Michael Byrne is the guy who plays Ernest Vogel,
<v Speaker 2>the till SS colonel. Right, this is how we say
<v Speaker 2>goodbye in Germany.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I prefer Austrian.
<v Speaker 2>Here's the interesting thing about him. Yeah, he and Harrison
<v Speaker 2>Ford were in a movie in the seventies called Force
<v Speaker 2>ten from Navarone, which are buddies over at the film.
<v Speaker 2>I podcast did a guest on nice.
<v Speaker 1>Great sort of war movie.
<v Speaker 2>It's the sequel to the Guns of Navarone, right, and
<v Speaker 2>Harrison Ford plays in America and he plays a German.
<v Speaker 1>No surprise there talking about him. I just have to
<v Speaker 1>mention something as I rewatched it this time, there were
<v Speaker 1>a few points in the movie that I was like, really,
<v Speaker 1>guys were really stretching the reality this far. When when
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Ford when they're on the Zeppelin, right, and he's
<v Speaker 1>walking around pulling people's papers down so that he can
<v Speaker 1>see them. And Harrison Ford has knocked out the ticket
<v Speaker 1>clerk and taking his hat and his coat, right and
<v Speaker 1>is asking people for tickets now, and he pulls down
<v Speaker 1>the paper in front of Henry Jones Senior, and their
<v Speaker 1>eyes meet and he's he's like, Harrison Ford, Indiana comes
<v Speaker 1>over and he's like ticket, sir, And he turns around
<v Speaker 1>and he knocks him out and then he throws him
<v Speaker 1>out of the plane, right yeah, and he's like no ticket, right,
<v Speaker 1>and everybody grabs her tickets, right, Yeah, that's all great,
<v Speaker 1>yeah gold. Yeah, He's thrown into this big pile of
<v Speaker 1>suitcases luggage, yeah, which you would think would probably be
<v Speaker 1>going on the plane, but maybe six and a half
<v Speaker 1>seconds later, the zeppelin has launched right and is well,
<v Speaker 1>it's at least three hundred feet in the air, and
<v Speaker 1>he's waving his fist angry. Late I'm like, well, how
<v Speaker 1>did that just happen so fast? And why didn't they
<v Speaker 1>take their luggage with them? But that's it. That's just
<v Speaker 1>one of the small moments that I was like, well, guys,
<v Speaker 1>luggage pile in here, right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've got a credible nugget that I want to
<v Speaker 2>share with you on the cast of Indiana Jones and
<v Speaker 2>the Last Crusade.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, Now, as we.
<v Speaker 2>Know, during the filming of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,
<v Speaker 2>River Phoenix plays young Indiana Jones. We know, of course,
<v Speaker 2>tragically that River Phoenix passed away at the Viper Room
<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles on Halloween nineteen ninety three. Oddly enough,
<v Speaker 2>Sean Connery also passes away on Halloween. Oh whoa, except
<v Speaker 2>it's twenty twenty right, Holy cow, which means, despite their
<v Speaker 2>vast age difference in the movie, yeah, Sean Connery outlived
<v Speaker 2>him by an extra twenty seven years.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, pretty incredible. Yeah, two incredible guys. Okay, that's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>All right, are we ready to jump into some tidbits,
<v Speaker 1>some fun facts the production. Yeah, Himmi of Lethal Weapon
<v Speaker 1>notableth Okay, So, as we talked in our first episode,
<v Speaker 1>the character of Leo Gets is partially inspired by Joel Silver,
<v Speaker 1>and as I mentioned, Joel Silver was also the producer
<v Speaker 1>of Diehard. You got it. In the scene where they
<v Speaker 1>very first meet Leo Gets, the guy comes in with
<v Speaker 1>the room service, right yeah, yeah, and they go fly
<v Speaker 1>it out the wind like they fly it out the
<v Speaker 1>window end of the pool. Great scene as the waiter
<v Speaker 1>comes up out of the pool. If you look in
<v Speaker 1>the background, you can see the Nakotomi Plaza. Did that
<v Speaker 1>just flow your mincy? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Oh that is fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta go watch that. Now you have Diehard and
<v Speaker 1>leath the Weapon on screen at the same time in
<v Speaker 1>the same movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Wow, that's fantastic. You know, let's talk about that
<v Speaker 2>scene for a second, because you know, we talked about
<v Speaker 2>how when Jeffrey Bohm wrote the script for Leath Weapon two,
<v Speaker 2>he wrote a funny version and an action version, and
<v Speaker 2>Dick Donner told him buy him.
<v Speaker 1>Make it both right.
<v Speaker 2>So that scene when Riggs and Murtas show up, you
<v Speaker 2>have a funny introduction of Leo gets and then they
<v Speaker 2>bring in the room service guy, and you jump from
<v Speaker 2>funny scene intro Leo gets to he pulls a gun out,
<v Speaker 2>Rigs jumps across the table, tackles both of them. They
<v Speaker 2>go out a window and fall ten stories.
<v Speaker 1>Seven floors up. I guess, so that's right, you didn't
<v Speaker 1>follow me out the window. So floors up and he's.
<v Speaker 2>Punching him in the swimming pool. But you have this
<v Speaker 2>fantastic like overhead POV of them dropping into the pool.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I have a version of Lethal Weapon two.
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't say it's a special edition.
<v Speaker 1>None of that. But I'm watching it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I have never seen that scene before. Well,
<v Speaker 2>it turns out that threw in a couple of additional scenes. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>When Riggs and Murta entered the hotel that they're going
<v Speaker 2>upstairs to meet Leo, there's a hot tub, three lovely ladies,
<v Speaker 2>and Murta has to tear Rigs away from getting into.
<v Speaker 1>This hot tub.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm watching it, going, I have never seen this before.
<v Speaker 1>I have not seen that scene at all nice kind
<v Speaker 1>of fun. That's great. Okay, So the one kind of
<v Speaker 1>sad and emotional. I mean, obviously you've got Riggs is
<v Speaker 1>mad because he's found out that Adolph has killed not
<v Speaker 1>only his wife but his brand new love interest. Right,
<v Speaker 1>that's an emotional scene and tough, right, Yes, But there's
<v Speaker 1>another earlier emotional scene that kind of sets that all up,
<v Speaker 1>when Riggs is in the kitchen talking to MARTA's wife.
<v Speaker 1>She's found the gold pin, right, yeah, and he gives
<v Speaker 1>her the whole story behind the gold pin and how
<v Speaker 1>that's related to the death of his wife. Okay, so
<v Speaker 1>sad part of the movie. So as you're kind of empathizing,
<v Speaker 1>you probably don't realize what Riggs is doing.
<v Speaker 2>He's making chili.
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what he's doing to the chili is
<v Speaker 1>the adding oreos? He is adding oreos to the chili.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've never noticed that before. Yes, Wow, what do
<v Speaker 2>you want you chili with oriols? Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, and I actually want to try chili with oreos. Now,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait a minute, that might work. Like I've
<v Speaker 1>heard of people putting chocolate in in chili before. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>oreos actually would work.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, if we ever have a like a surely get together,
<v Speaker 2>we need to have chili with Oreos. Hey, I do
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the scene you mentioned before. First
<v Speaker 2>of all, let's back up. You have all types of
<v Speaker 2>things that are set up and paid off that work beautifully.
<v Speaker 2>At the beginning, Riggs takes a bet that he can
<v Speaker 2>get out of a straight jacket. He's got five minutes
<v Speaker 2>to get out of the straight jacket. And there's a
<v Speaker 2>guy who worked at psych Ward. He's like, because I
<v Speaker 2>worked at psyche Ward, you'll never get out of this thing.
<v Speaker 2>And he says, oh yeah, I watch this, and he
<v Speaker 2>separates his own shoulder and that allows him the flexibility
<v Speaker 2>to get out of the straight jacket. And then he
<v Speaker 2>of course has to put it back in. And it's
<v Speaker 2>a setup that pays off later. But it's a funny setup,
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, this is like a screenwriting class.
<v Speaker 1>Why do you do this to yourself? Who else am
<v Speaker 1>I going to do it? Right?
<v Speaker 2>It's so enjoyable you don't realize that they're dropping obvious
<v Speaker 2>hints for later down.
<v Speaker 1>It's Chekhov's gun. It's like if there's a gun on
<v Speaker 1>the wall, and in Act one, somebody better be getting
<v Speaker 1>shot by act three.
<v Speaker 2>Right, So later on in the movie, and here's the
<v Speaker 2>other thing. So later on the movie Forstead which he
<v Speaker 2>calls Adolph, it's the bad guy, it's the main henchman.
<v Speaker 2>He's talking to him and he says, hey, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we put a hit on and you got too close
<v Speaker 2>to us.
<v Speaker 1>A couple of years back.
<v Speaker 2>We put a hit on in you and I drove
<v Speaker 2>forced your car off the road went down. That was
<v Speaker 2>your wife, right, Yeah, so you have a payoff from
<v Speaker 2>Lethal Weapon one. Yeah, that's set up way back then.
<v Speaker 2>Two years prior when Leith the Weapon one came out,
<v Speaker 2>you finally found out who killed Vicky Riggs, and Martin
<v Speaker 2>Riggs is like had just healed from this and now
<v Speaker 2>he's it's open wounds again. And not only that, they
<v Speaker 2>throw him in the water and there's this brand new
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend and she's dead. You talk about shocking and angry.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was a great sequel. I mean, so I
<v Speaker 1>realized we're kind of I'm getting ahead of this a
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But this made more money than the first
<v Speaker 1>movie did. Sure, Like the first movie was a huge success,
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen million dollar budget made like one hundred and
<v Speaker 1>twenty million this one made even more money. It's the
<v Speaker 1>most successful movie of the franchise. Actually. Yeah, But something
<v Speaker 1>that they had in this movie that they didn't have
<v Speaker 1>in the original Lethal Weapon was Mel Gibson's gun. He
<v Speaker 1>had a different gun in this movie. Okay, in this
<v Speaker 1>one he had a read a ninety two FS and
<v Speaker 1>he used it again. W three, he used it again.
<v Speaker 1>Leath the weapon. Four, blow your mind again.
<v Speaker 2>I know where you're going. I got it.
<v Speaker 1>Did you have your Season's Greetings tape with you?
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, this is John mcclean's gun from die Hard.
<v Speaker 1>He is using John Wine's gone from Diehard.
<v Speaker 2>That is like the holy grail of the action movie
<v Speaker 2>making in the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>Yuh wow, not just die Hard, Diehard too and Diehard
<v Speaker 1>with a Vengeance. So literally they're trading the gun back
<v Speaker 1>and forth to each other. I kind of wish there
<v Speaker 1>was a moment where, like their guns get mixed ups
<v Speaker 1>in one of the movies. Hey, I was talking to
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Johnson.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he and I both kind of enjoy this kind
<v Speaker 2>of idea of movie mashups. You could easily have Sergeant
<v Speaker 2>al Powell working at the same police station as Riggs
<v Speaker 2>and Murta wouldn't it have been cool if they'd have
<v Speaker 2>worked in Reginald L. Johnson, just even if he just
<v Speaker 2>walked by the screen.
<v Speaker 1>You're like Al Powell just a nod, Yeah, just a
<v Speaker 1>what's up? Nod? Yep?
<v Speaker 2>How cool would that have been?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's another scene I got to talk to you
<v Speaker 2>about for Leath the Weapon two.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I mean both of these movies are full of classic
<v Speaker 2>movie moments. But when Murta goes everybody's out of town,
<v Speaker 2>he pulls out his favorite fishing magazine and he starts
<v Speaker 2>his you know, day off with who Morning Constitutional Library. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>his moment alone, and he sits on the toilet and
<v Speaker 2>he realizes when he looks over the toilet roll, it's
<v Speaker 2>been written boom, You're dead, Which that's not very you
<v Speaker 2>know smart if you're a hitman to alert the person
<v Speaker 2>that you know you're putting a hit on them. So
<v Speaker 2>he goes missing. They send Riggs over to look, and
<v Speaker 2>Riggs bust in. Of course, Leo gets his run around
<v Speaker 2>the house like you know, Wiley coyote, and they realize
<v Speaker 2>that there's a bomb attached to this toilet, and you
<v Speaker 2>have this great scene between Riggs and Murta where it's
<v Speaker 2>emotional number one and he does it all kind of
<v Speaker 2>with his facial features and he's like hey man, and
<v Speaker 2>Rig's like, I know it's unspoken. I love you right
<v Speaker 2>and thank you essentially, and Riggs is like, hey, I'm
<v Speaker 2>I'm here with you. I'm gonna stand with you. We're
<v Speaker 2>going to do this.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going anywhere.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's great scene where he pulls him about, they
<v Speaker 2>pull the curtain down and kaboom, the toilet blows up.
<v Speaker 1>It's just a great funny scene. You know, it's a
<v Speaker 1>great funny scene. But you're right, it's an emotional scene. Like,
<v Speaker 1>at no point are they more vulnerable and more connected, Like.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm gonna die on the toilet.
<v Speaker 1>Guys like you don't die on the toilet. Yeah, Like,
<v Speaker 1>and it's you're right. He doesn't say words, he just
<v Speaker 1>expresses it visually and he's he is. It is the
<v Speaker 1>way that we see that they could not be closer
<v Speaker 1>than any other two human beings. When he when he's
<v Speaker 1>trying to tell him get out of here Riggs, and
<v Speaker 1>Riggs just looks at him and then looks back at
<v Speaker 1>Martn is not like it's just not even a question. Right,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going. I'm not going. So yeah, it tells
<v Speaker 1>you how close they are.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's fantastic. The chemistry is so on point.
<v Speaker 2>And right before that moment, you have a really great
<v Speaker 2>laugh out loud moment. Riggs is like, man, I got
<v Speaker 2>to get the bomb squad in here. Get I got
<v Speaker 2>to call all these people. And he's like, hey, man,
<v Speaker 2>give me a break. I'm on the toilet, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh no, I'll keep it low key.
<v Speaker 2>And the next scene is like firetrucks and sirens of
<v Speaker 2>people running everywhere. It's so funny, but it is. You
<v Speaker 2>have an emotionally charged moment there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, So Riggs's place, it's just the nastiest place
<v Speaker 1>in the world. Okay, it's so disgusting. Joe Peshi cleaned
<v Speaker 1>it up for him, right, Well, okay, so that's what
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talking about. Okay, So there's that scene where
<v Speaker 1>Joe pesci is he's cleaning up like he's cleaning up
<v Speaker 1>riggs His place, and it looks like he moves it
<v Speaker 1>from looking like a college dorm to looking like a
<v Speaker 1>bed and breakfast. Right, he is amazing what he's done.
<v Speaker 1>With a vacuum cleaner where But when you come in
<v Speaker 1>on that scene, all right, Leo is singing a song.
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice what the song was? No, the song
<v Speaker 1>is called I'm Not Scared? Is this the Patsy Kinset song?
<v Speaker 1>This is from the short lived British pop group Eighth
<v Speaker 1>Thunder with lead singer patsiekins It. You got it? Yes,
<v Speaker 1>mad is fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Another payoff that comes down the road is just
<v Speaker 2>a minor thing when Riggs is changing TV channels and
<v Speaker 2>he comes to the Three Stooges.
<v Speaker 1>Three Stooges, right because and it is from the extended
<v Speaker 1>version of Lethal Weapon one because I don't think that
<v Speaker 1>scene was in the theatrical cut, but you see him
<v Speaker 1>in the extended cut. He picks up a prostitute. That's right,
<v Speaker 1>and you've, you know, all of a sudden you're like, ooh,
<v Speaker 1>this guy may be not the good guy that I
<v Speaker 1>think he is. Right, And the reason he's picking up
<v Speaker 1>the prostitute is he's taking her home so they can
<v Speaker 1>watch Three Stooges. And by the way, Moill Gibson huge
<v Speaker 1>Three Stooges fan. And of course then that leads into
<v Speaker 1>the bursting into the office with the fish tank.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So have you heard of the Mandela effect? Yes,
<v Speaker 1>I mean we all have at this point, right. You
<v Speaker 1>know why you told me about that? You know why
<v Speaker 1>it's called the Mandela effect.
<v Speaker 2>Though, because people misremember things about Nelson Mandela.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like there there is a significant contingent of the
<v Speaker 1>population that believe Nelson Mandela died in the nineties sometime, Okay, right,
<v Speaker 1>And I mean if if you're unfamiliar with this, it's
<v Speaker 1>like a significant contingent of the population believes it's beren Steinbars,
<v Speaker 1>which I believe until I read it to my kids.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why is it baron Steinbars? Like something happened
<v Speaker 1>in the matrix and they change the letters. Dilemma has
<v Speaker 1>no inn in it. A lot of people think dilemma
<v Speaker 1>has an inn and dilemna, but it's not. It's never
<v Speaker 1>been that, but for some reason a lot of us
<v Speaker 1>feel that way. Okay, anyway, back to Mandela. Mandela, without
<v Speaker 1>getting too political on things, but he's a huge part
<v Speaker 1>of the apartheid issue in South Africa. He was imprisoned,
<v Speaker 1>ultimately released, ultimately became the President of South Africa. After
<v Speaker 1>apartheid had ended, but they were already making movies about
<v Speaker 1>him in the eighties. As a matter of fact, there
<v Speaker 1>was a movie in nineteen eighty seven It is just
<v Speaker 1>for HBO. It wasn't at the theaters, but that movie
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven called Mandela. You know who played Mandela.
<v Speaker 2>Sidney Pottier, Danny Glelover, Danny Glover. Dang it. You were
<v Speaker 2>setting up for that and I should have easily picked
<v Speaker 2>that up.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, there's a little nod to Lethal Weapon two in
<v Speaker 2>Lethal Weapon four.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>It has to do with Chinese immigrants and Myrtaw believes
<v Speaker 2>he's free enslaves. But on the refrigerator there's a sticker
<v Speaker 2>that says stop Apartheid, which is a nod back, of
<v Speaker 2>course to Leith Webbon two.
<v Speaker 1>It's been on the refrigerator since Leth A wepon ion.
<v Speaker 1>I noticed it whenever I saw when we did our
<v Speaker 1>really did Our Lethal Weapon versus Diehard episode. I noticed
<v Speaker 1>as I was watching movie the stop Apartheid sticker was
<v Speaker 1>on the refrigerator in the very first movie.
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool, Okay. I want to talk to you
<v Speaker 2>about my least favorite scene in the movie. Actually least
<v Speaker 2>favorite's kind of strong. But the scene that just doesn't
<v Speaker 2>seem real to me, okay, is when Riggs is going
<v Speaker 2>to go to the house on stilts, hook his truck
<v Speaker 2>up and tear down the house on Steltz.
<v Speaker 1>It is ridiculous. It's ridiculous, Like it's the truck is
<v Speaker 1>bouncing back and forth like it's on a Looney Tunes cartoon. Right,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what an incredible flaw and architectural architectural design
<v Speaker 1>to allow it to be able to be pulled down
<v Speaker 1>by a pickup truck. Yeah, I mean, I get it's
<v Speaker 1>a duly, but.
<v Speaker 2>Come on, he's gonna pull his axe allout.
<v Speaker 1>So that scene cost one hundred thousand dollars really five hundred,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I would call it worth it, Like,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was, it's impressive what happened, but it
<v Speaker 1>was like, is the payoff really that great? Yeah? I
<v Speaker 1>don't really think so. Yeah, but I don't I don't
<v Speaker 1>think so. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It takes
<v Speaker 1>away the fact that the way that he's doing it,
<v Speaker 1>like if he had a win and there was some
<v Speaker 1>sort of something that looked more than just like I'm
<v Speaker 1>giving it all the gas I can give it. That
<v Speaker 1>would have been better. But yeah, yeah, it was. It
<v Speaker 1>was a little ups and stem.
<v Speaker 2>That actually is like the one thing that came over
<v Speaker 2>from the Shane Black script.
<v Speaker 1>It is the only thing that came over.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeap, not a fan of that. Plus Leo was inside, right,
<v Speaker 2>Leo was inside.
<v Speaker 1>Oh come on, well he he gave Merta the signal
<v Speaker 1>watch for my signal.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we touched on it last episode. In fact,
<v Speaker 2>we talked about it pretty good. But the condom commercial
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the movie, it's one of those
<v Speaker 2>chemistry moments because Riggs is over, you know, he's got
<v Speaker 2>his shoes off, he's sitting indiansile on their couch and
<v Speaker 2>there's little subtle things like Nick gets your feet off
<v Speaker 2>the table and they're climbing over the stairs, just every
<v Speaker 2>day Americana stuff, and they're all excited to watch Rann's
<v Speaker 2>debut on television. She's a budding actress. And you realize
<v Speaker 2>that it's a commercial for condoms. Yeah, and then for
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the movie there's this Hey, that commercial's awesome.
<v Speaker 1>She makes me want to buy rubbers. That line, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's the carpenter who they call McGee. Yes, the actor's
<v Speaker 1>name is actually Jack McGee. Yeah, and he improved that line.
<v Speaker 1>He was like, well, what's wrong with the commercial? Makes
<v Speaker 1>me want to buy rubbers? It was I mean, what
<v Speaker 1>a great moment for such a small part to be
<v Speaker 1>able to take it.
<v Speaker 2>That's so funny. And then of course later the police
<v Speaker 2>guys bring a plant covered with condoms and.
<v Speaker 1>Put it on Christmas tree because it is a Christmas movie. Yes, okay.
<v Speaker 2>One last scene I want to talk about is Riggs's
<v Speaker 2>death slash non death at the end of leath Weapon too. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So you know, Riggs super pissed because now he's got
<v Speaker 2>Rika and Vicki that he's trying to avenge.
<v Speaker 1>He's not a top tonight, Roger. This is personal, right.
<v Speaker 2>They get caught in that giant container. They blow the
<v Speaker 2>car out and there's money everywhere. They set fire to
<v Speaker 2>the cars blowing up. Roger's even tempted to pocket some
<v Speaker 2>of the money because it's enough to put all of
<v Speaker 2>his kids through college. Riggs tells him, hey, take it, man,
<v Speaker 2>do it. Yeah, but they're running around, they're shooting a
<v Speaker 2>bad guy, and then Riggs gets a knife in the
<v Speaker 2>back like the hamstring. Yeah, that scene was intense because
<v Speaker 2>Riggs is wounded, Adolf comes out and starts kicking his
<v Speaker 2>butt a little bit, and then there's a fight over
<v Speaker 2>the knife.
<v Speaker 1>The knife stays in his leg for most of the fight, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Until he removes it to show it in the guy's
<v Speaker 2>you know, in his own chest, much like the end
<v Speaker 2>of Gladiator. I don't know if you notice that verty similar,
<v Speaker 2>But at that moment you think, okay, Riggs kills adof
<v Speaker 2>but then Erzin Rudd, out of nowhere, starts to shoot
<v Speaker 2>Riggs right. That was originally intended to be his death scene.
<v Speaker 2>They actually shot it both ways. Ultimately decided to have
<v Speaker 2>Riggs live, and I think that was a very very
<v Speaker 2>good decision. You got two more movies out of it,
<v Speaker 2>at least.
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about three Leath the Weapon five. It
<v Speaker 1>was gonna happen like it was five. It was in
<v Speaker 1>pre production, Yeah, in pre production until until Richard Donner died.
<v Speaker 1>Until Richard Donner died, And if you go to the IMDb,
<v Speaker 1>it's back in in development instead of in pre production now.
<v Speaker 1>But purther wishes of Richard Donner, the director is now
<v Speaker 1>Mel Gibson perfect, perfect, but we who knows if we'll
<v Speaker 1>ever see it. I mean mel Gibson's over sixty five,
<v Speaker 1>Danny Glover's over seventy five. I mean it's.
<v Speaker 2>Danny Glover was too old for this back in nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven. Thirty yeah, right, Hey, you know you talk
<v Speaker 2>about Mel Gibson being the director of leth the Webin five,
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's the absolute right call, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This is the director of Braveheart and the Passion of
<v Speaker 2>the Christ and Apocalypto, all these super successful movies.
<v Speaker 1>Ok, Saw Ridge, Hecksaw Ridge.
<v Speaker 2>Is one of my all time favorite movies. But I
<v Speaker 2>sent you a video that you can find on YouTube
<v Speaker 2>where mel Gibson has a camera and he's running around
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes of Lethal Weapon two.
<v Speaker 1>You sent me this video. You texted me the video
<v Speaker 1>and I start watching it because it's called like the
<v Speaker 1>Unauthorized Diary of Mel Gibson with the Webon two, right,
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, oh, this will be interesting, and I
<v Speaker 1>start watching it, and about halfway through the video, I
<v Speaker 1>texted you and I said, this is so dumb. Do
<v Speaker 1>I have to watch all the way? And You're like, no,
<v Speaker 1>you probably pretty well got I mean, it's like it's
<v Speaker 1>like me and my high school friends with my camcorder
<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid. I mean, it's terrible. Rib
<v Speaker 1>I mean I did. I wasn't able to get cameos
<v Speaker 1>from Chevy Chase and Dan akroydheey Herman in my in
<v Speaker 1>My Home video. But it's just stupid, like they're all
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're all acting like high school kids who
<v Speaker 1>don't act would act. They're not even acting like actors.
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I'm watching this thinking this guy directed
<v Speaker 1>Brave Heart. Yes, well he learned a lot from from
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine to ninety what was it ninety three? Brave
<v Speaker 1>Heart was ninety five ninety five. Yeah, so he did
<v Speaker 1>learn a lot apparently.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, if you feel so inclined to go check out
<v Speaker 2>that video on YouTube. It's horrible.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think we need we got to move on
<v Speaker 1>to last Crusade at this one.
<v Speaker 2>Let's move on to Last Crusade.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Junia, Yes, sir, may they shoot Junior? Don't
<v Speaker 1>call me that please? Okay.
<v Speaker 2>We talked pretty instantly last time about the very beginning
<v Speaker 2>the young Indie scenes with River Phoenix, where You've got
<v Speaker 2>the cross, Coronado grabs the bull whip for the first time,
<v Speaker 2>he gets the scar in his chin. It's a big day, right,
<v Speaker 2>you have him not scared of snakes until he falls
<v Speaker 2>in this giant container full of snakes. Yep, he gets
<v Speaker 2>the hat from the guy they called Fedora was originally
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be Abner Ravenwood. And then across of Coronado.
<v Speaker 2>And then of course you flash forward and you've got
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones on a ship battling for the Cross of
<v Speaker 2>Coronado to get that it belongs in a museum, right,
<v Speaker 2>and then they're like kill him, you know, throw him
<v Speaker 2>over the side.
<v Speaker 1>It's a ridiculous The boat seems ridiculous, and like, how
<v Speaker 1>does he live? How does he get through that? And
<v Speaker 1>how did the cross not sink to the bottom of
<v Speaker 1>the ocean instantaneous?
<v Speaker 2>I know, right. First of all, they're gonna kill him
<v Speaker 2>by throwing him over the side. He's like, nope, I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna beat a couple of guys up. Then I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>jump over the side. Take that bad guys.
<v Speaker 1>Well, he realizes the boat's about to explode. Right, that
<v Speaker 1>was dumb. It's fun, but it's dumb. They bring that
<v Speaker 1>scene right back to us in the Adventures of Ten
<v Speaker 1>Ten in the twenty first century. Oh yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. It ends in the boat exploding and
<v Speaker 1>them gathering just a bit of the treasure as they're
<v Speaker 1>floating along.
<v Speaker 2>Also, I want to talk about the scene at the library, okay,
<v Speaker 2>where they've got Dad's diary and they've got the Roman
<v Speaker 2>numerals and he's pointing that six, nine, where's ten?
<v Speaker 1>Everywhere?
<v Speaker 2>Where's ten? Looking for ten? That sea was really cool.
<v Speaker 2>But they're standing on a tile that's like ten foot
<v Speaker 2>by ten foot. It's not like it's the biggest X
<v Speaker 2>in the world.
<v Speaker 1>You could just look down a oh that's ten right there.
<v Speaker 1>That's an X. Yeah, but you have the X. It's
<v Speaker 1>eluting us. Right.
<v Speaker 2>But they end up in the catacombs and you have
<v Speaker 2>like the snakes in part one, like the bugs in
<v Speaker 2>part two. You have this big scene with rats rats. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>what did you think of that scene?
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a nice throwback, you know, like,
<v Speaker 1>and he's afraid of snakes, his dad's afraid of rats.
<v Speaker 1>Had rats ack, Yeah, right, lots of them? Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all thoughts get throw back.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they use a lot of real rats. But because
<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to transfer any disease, they had to
<v Speaker 2>grow their own rats. Okay, so they had like two
<v Speaker 2>thousand rats that had never been in touch with any
<v Speaker 2>other rats in the entire world ever, ever, ever, and
<v Speaker 2>so they're essentially clean rats.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this brings me, This brings me to an
<v Speaker 1>interesting point. Now, we've talked about the composers in both
<v Speaker 1>of these movies plenty of times before. Yes, we've got
<v Speaker 1>John Williams with Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade. We've
<v Speaker 1>got Mark Cayman with Leith a Weapon who he you know,
<v Speaker 1>done a Mills pigs two.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 1>John Williams still with us today, still making music, still kicking.
<v Speaker 1>Mark Cayman passed away two thousand and three. But what
<v Speaker 1>we haven't talked about, and this this I feel is
<v Speaker 1>important in this one, is the other aspect of sound.
<v Speaker 1>It's the sound editing and sound design of the movie itself.
<v Speaker 1>And throw back to a Patreon episode, you know who
<v Speaker 1>the sound designer was for Indiana Jones and The Last
<v Speaker 1>Crusade and Temple of Doom and Raiders of the Lost
<v Speaker 1>Stark is right? Is it? Ben Burt? You got it?
<v Speaker 1>It's Ben Burt.
<v Speaker 2>I mean Ben Burt's the guy who created the sound
<v Speaker 2>for The Guns and Star Wars and the lightsabers.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean another part of that deal was the
<v Speaker 1>sound of the guns. I mean, if you listen to
<v Speaker 1>the sound of the guns and raiders and all of
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the movies, it's not it's not a
<v Speaker 1>small sound. Yeah. Well that's because they're using a thirty
<v Speaker 1>thirty to make this sound.
<v Speaker 2>That's true.
<v Speaker 1>They're to make the sound of a handgun of a pistol, right,
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's big and powerful. It's like the hit.
<v Speaker 1>It's like this and that one. I think they were
<v Speaker 1>slapping a mattress.
<v Speaker 2>Or a leather coat with a baseball bat.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, slapping leather coats with a baseball bat is how
<v Speaker 1>we get the punch sounds great. So back to the rats. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>do you know what the sound of the rats is?
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't have no idea.
<v Speaker 1>Chickens what chickens like. They couldn't figure out any rat sounds, right, Like,
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't get any good rat sounds because rats really
<v Speaker 1>don't make that much noise, right, pretty small. But chickens
<v Speaker 1>make a lot of noise. If you've ever been in
<v Speaker 1>a chicken and pin, they make a lot of noise,
<v Speaker 1>But they don't sound like rats. Okay, unless you speed
<v Speaker 1>them up, and then that was the sound of the rats,
<v Speaker 1>which you've got, of course, also the sound of the
<v Speaker 1>flame as the you know, remember the Knights Templar guys
<v Speaker 1>start the fire and then all the rats are burning.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, none of none of the rats in
<v Speaker 1>the burn scene were actual real rats. Those were robot
<v Speaker 1>elastic Yeah, not real rats. But anyway, but you have
<v Speaker 1>that awesome sound effect of all of the rats freaking
<v Speaker 1>the frick out because there's a giant ball of fire
<v Speaker 1>consuming everything.
<v Speaker 2>Insight, I'm going to talk about something awesome before I
<v Speaker 2>talk about something that was kind of dumb. Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones is going through the catacombs. He's got doctor
<v Speaker 2>Elsa Schneider with him m hm, and he rubs his
<v Speaker 2>hand on the wall and you see.
<v Speaker 1>The arc of the Covenant. I mean, it's such a basic,
<v Speaker 1>like it's basically like grade school drag. Like if I
<v Speaker 1>was going to draw the Arc of the Covenant in
<v Speaker 1>third grade, that's what it would have looked like. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>with a gray on, you know, just exactly. But you
<v Speaker 1>get the.
<v Speaker 2>John Williams, you get the musical score, the theme for
<v Speaker 2>the arc.
<v Speaker 1>Huh.
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, what's that, and he's like Sark the Covenant.
<v Speaker 2>She's like, are you sure? He's like pretty sure, which
<v Speaker 2>is a great throwback to Raiders.
<v Speaker 1>It is. Yeah, And he but as he throws it away,
<v Speaker 1>he totally throws It's I love that he throws it away.
<v Speaker 1>It makes it even better. Yeah, sure, pretty sure.
<v Speaker 2>Then you end up with, you know, the Knights trying
<v Speaker 2>to kill him by dropping a match in the in
<v Speaker 2>the petroleum and in the river.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, by the way, he he lights a torch
<v Speaker 1>himself and I'm watching the fire ripping off of that
<v Speaker 1>torch the entire time. How did that not? If one
<v Speaker 1>match can start that whole thing a blaze? Like Jerry
<v Speaker 1>Lee Lewis what what? Yeah, she had real rats in
<v Speaker 1>her hair. By the way, those were real. Those were
<v Speaker 1>not mechanical rats. She had the real rats in her hair.
<v Speaker 1>So good for her for tough and through that. And
<v Speaker 1>then when they come out there and the like the bistro,
<v Speaker 1>like the right outside eating area of some calf in Italy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just they just pop out at coffee shop. But
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing, So those Knights are trying to kill them.
<v Speaker 2>They've tried to burn them to death. You know, they
<v Speaker 2>jump on the boat and they're attacking them. They try
<v Speaker 2>to shoot them, they try to squeeze them between boats,
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to get them chopped up in a giant propeller.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, tell me, where's my father, blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>And then he's like, I'm not I don't even care
<v Speaker 2>about the grail. I'm just looking for my dad. And
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, in
<v Speaker 2>that case, God'll be with you.
<v Speaker 1>All that.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is great action, but that didn't
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of sense to me in the movie.
<v Speaker 1>I agreed, agree, but I'm willing to look.
<v Speaker 2>Over it because the action piece is so great.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So as long as we're talking about things that
<v Speaker 1>don't work, like, I can live with a lot of
<v Speaker 1>that stuff, right right. What's troubling for me is really
<v Speaker 1>a very big aspect of the movie itself, and that
<v Speaker 1>is that the Knight's Templar. We know the story is
<v Speaker 1>three knights wandered into the wilderness. One hundred and fifty
<v Speaker 1>years later, one of them comes out, looks very old
<v Speaker 1>and eyes on the spot, right, but before he dies
<v Speaker 1>passes this information right, right, and then we get the
<v Speaker 1>end of the movie where that what we have to
<v Speaker 1>say is the Third Night is still there protecting the grail,
<v Speaker 1>right right, Well, they had the grail when they went
<v Speaker 1>into the wilderness, okay, and then they got to this
<v Speaker 1>big cave. It's real place, by the way, Yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Tristan Martin's been there, by the way.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's yeah. I haven't been there, but I
<v Speaker 1>mean I was shocked to find out that this was
<v Speaker 1>not a Hollywood thing. That's that Petra is a real,
<v Speaker 1>real thing carved into the rock like that. I think
<v Speaker 1>it's in Jordan, okay, And so how is it that
<v Speaker 1>they get it into this spot that then after it's
<v Speaker 1>taking it taken away from the spot, it causes an earthquake?
<v Speaker 1>Like how does that? What? How does that make any sense? Like?
<v Speaker 1>What what's going on here?
<v Speaker 5>That?
<v Speaker 1>If if it's that magical, why did we need a
<v Speaker 1>painted rock bridge? I mean it should have been really
<v Speaker 1>by faith, he was really walking on I mean, we
<v Speaker 1>didn't need the we didn't need the slicer, dicer, head
<v Speaker 1>chopper thing. It was all magical. So you just go
<v Speaker 1>with magical. So why is this cup if you crossed
<v Speaker 1>the seal that obviously the knights put there. I mean
<v Speaker 1>the grail didn't start there, right, Why does it cause
<v Speaker 1>earthquake whenever it crosses the seal?
<v Speaker 2>The answer to that question is I have no idea,
<v Speaker 2>but I will just tell you. You've got to believe boy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I'll tell you this. Yeah. Throw back to
<v Speaker 1>Ben Bird again. Yes, earthquake rubbing on a balloon combined
<v Speaker 1>with rolling rocks down a hill on Skywalker ranch. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>sounds good.
<v Speaker 2>Another great scene from Indian Jones Part three.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So tank scene. Yeah, that was a George Lucas
<v Speaker 1>like he wants to have a tank in this chase scene. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and it works well, like it's it's a scary moment. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now I still said, why are we taking a tank
<v Speaker 1>to an archaeological dig? Is that necessary? We don't care? Yeah, right.
<v Speaker 2>Inside Petra Alexandretta tomb Alexandretta. Yeah, you have the three
<v Speaker 2>you have like the penitent man will pass test uh huh, yep,
<v Speaker 2>because a man kneels before God kneels. Then you have
<v Speaker 2>the footsteps of God.
<v Speaker 1>But in the Latin of a bit, Jehovah starts with
<v Speaker 1>an eye.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you have the bridge of faith. I
<v Speaker 2>thought all those were great.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, historically interesting ideas that biblically relate to some
<v Speaker 1>things penitent man being one Jehovah, the name being the other,
<v Speaker 1>and then an act of faith. Yeah. No, I thought
<v Speaker 1>I thought that Boheam did a great job pulling those
<v Speaker 1>things out and making them like the art theory and
<v Speaker 1>heroes quests.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, during that scene, you've also got
<v Speaker 2>the fact that his dad has been shot. Uh huh,
<v Speaker 2>and Marcus keeps yelling him, Andy, hurry, please hurry. So
<v Speaker 2>you've got all these challenges, but he doesn't have any
<v Speaker 2>time to spare.
<v Speaker 1>Right, so puts the time pressure on. Got that clock
<v Speaker 1>a Tickenah. It's fun, it's good Writing's good writing. Right there.
<v Speaker 2>We talked about how choosing the Cup of Christ. Once
<v Speaker 2>he gets through there, Donovan chooses.
<v Speaker 1>The wrong one. He chose poorly, he chose He just arbitraries.
<v Speaker 1>She's like this one. He's like, oh look, she's freaking
<v Speaker 1>knows what she is doing. She knows exactly what she's
<v Speaker 1>doing this one. He drinks the cup, right, so we
<v Speaker 1>see him a front view drink the cup and the
<v Speaker 1>bottom of the cup is hollow with a little silver
<v Speaker 1>like a mom like is that a bolt that What
<v Speaker 1>is that? Why would they show us that? That's not
<v Speaker 1>the way old cup from that time would have looked.
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't have made it like that, but that's what
<v Speaker 1>they did.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously a very poor choice, yes, and then he
<v Speaker 2>goes through this aging process. It's kind of one of
<v Speaker 2>the it's the big scary effect of this movie.
<v Speaker 1>It's the opening of the arc scene. Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Like I told you, man, this it's very beat for
<v Speaker 1>beat the same movie.
<v Speaker 2>Indy makes the the wise choice by selecting a wooden
<v Speaker 2>cup and then, like we said before, he's got to
<v Speaker 2>carry it back to save his dad who has been shot. Right,
<v Speaker 2>but you can't take it past the seal. But what
<v Speaker 2>good is this thing?
<v Speaker 1>Right?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, you have this big earthquake. When
<v Speaker 2>Elsa tries to take it, she's like, we got it,
<v Speaker 2>let's go. Giant earthquake. Now, Elsa falls off. Andy grabs
<v Speaker 2>her and is trying to save her. She's trying to
<v Speaker 2>still reach the grail and he's like, Elsa, give me
<v Speaker 2>your other hand. I can't hold you. And she's trying
<v Speaker 2>to grab the girl. Well she falls into nothing. This
<v Speaker 2>the same place that the girl in Uh Superman.
<v Speaker 1>You know what, You're a pain in the neck.
<v Speaker 2>Then Indy falls off the edge. Henry Jones Senior grabs
<v Speaker 2>his hand. Andy's trying to grab the grail. This is
<v Speaker 2>the great part of this scene. He says, Indiana, let
<v Speaker 2>it go. And it's him calling him by his preferred name, right,
<v Speaker 2>that causes him to sort of come to his senses
<v Speaker 2>and pull himself out.
<v Speaker 1>Right by the way, this, Junior, what does this mean.
<v Speaker 1>We named the dog Indiana, so everybody knows that Indiana
<v Speaker 1>comes from George Lucas's dog. Yes, that was named Indiana. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>that was a malmoot. Yes, you see him in the
<v Speaker 1>first the river Phoenix comes into the house, comes in,
<v Speaker 1>and he walks in the door, and the dog looks
<v Speaker 1>up at him and it's it is that Malmot. Wow. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So here's an interesting fact about Sean Connery. Yes, he
<v Speaker 1>has a sweating problem. Yes, And so they're filming the
<v Speaker 1>scene in the zeppelin. Yep, you look at it. Think
<v Speaker 1>about all the people, all the women dressed in furs
<v Speaker 1>and hats and long dresses, and all the men are
<v Speaker 1>dressed in full three piece suits. Right, everything's all well,
<v Speaker 1>it was summertime. It was hot yep, and Sean Connery says,
<v Speaker 1>we're about to have this scene where they're sitting at
<v Speaker 1>the table talking about the different question you.
<v Speaker 2>Left right when you were getting interested. Yeah, what do
<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about? I'm here, let's talk. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what to say.
<v Speaker 1>Well, all right, it's work to do. So that scene,
<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery is like, guys, I'm taking off my pants
<v Speaker 1>and they're like what, no, sir, And he's like, guys,
<v Speaker 1>I have a sweating problem and it's hot, and so
<v Speaker 1>if you want this scene to play right, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>if it's supposed to be winter, I'm not going to
<v Speaker 1>be dripping sweat and wet in my clothes. So I
<v Speaker 1>got to lose the pants. And Harrison Ford is like,
<v Speaker 1>are you really going to take off your pants? He says, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I am. He goes and I'm going to take off
<v Speaker 1>my pants too, and so both Harrison Ford and Sean
<v Speaker 1>Connery are pantless during that scene.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>In this movie we get more of a payoff of
<v Speaker 1>what we got teased with and Rangers of the Lost
<v Speaker 1>Ark with the nazis okay, Like he's you know, your
<v Speaker 1>boss to fear you know they have a few German soldiers,
<v Speaker 1>but in this movie, we go to Berlin and we
<v Speaker 1>don't just Hitler. We see all of the Nazis. And
<v Speaker 1>as it turned out, all of those costumes were actual
<v Speaker 1>German soldier costumes. Like they found a you know, some
<v Speaker 1>closet full of German costumes or uniforms and they used
<v Speaker 1>those for the costumes in this scene, right, the book
<v Speaker 1>burning scene. If you're forgetting what I'm talking about here,
<v Speaker 1>So you've got you've got Hitler, You've got the book
<v Speaker 1>burning scene. And I mean all of those guys are
<v Speaker 1>doing the Hile Hitler. Now in the nineteen eighties. This
<v Speaker 1>is not this is not too distant of future, ye,
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is like so people were still like
<v Speaker 1>eh when they see these guys doing the hil Hitler thing,
<v Speaker 1>right forty years Nazis, I hate these guys. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>think that was totally out of Blues Brothers. By the way, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I really do believe that was taken from Blues Brothers.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so Steven Spielberg is directing all of this
<v Speaker 1>a guy who's Jewish, like he's got like this is
<v Speaker 1>a more meaningful thing. When the guy goes on to
<v Speaker 1>direction list right. Yeah, so in all of the scenes
<v Speaker 1>where the guys are doing the Zekyle hand salute, he said, okay, guys,
<v Speaker 1>I once you put your other hand behind your back
<v Speaker 1>and crush your finger.
<v Speaker 2>Buddy, Hey, you know you and I talked about I
<v Speaker 2>remember watching this in the movie theater. Yeah, when Indiana
<v Speaker 2>Jones has the Grail, He's gone to the Belly of
<v Speaker 2>the Beast to retrieve the Holy Grail Diary and he
<v Speaker 2>takes it from Elsa. He gets kind of pushed in
<v Speaker 2>this direction, in that direction, and he ends up face
<v Speaker 2>to face with Adolf Hitler. Huh, and I remember when
<v Speaker 2>we're in the theater, We're like, what is this? What
<v Speaker 2>is going to happen here? Hitler pulls out the book
<v Speaker 2>and then autographs.
<v Speaker 1>It and gives it back to you.
<v Speaker 2>So the Holy Grail Diary has Adolf Hitler's autograph.
<v Speaker 1>Crazy. Yeah, it's great.
<v Speaker 2>All right. D Are we ready for final judgment?
<v Speaker 1>Yes we are? Yes we are. Is your soul prepared?
<v Speaker 1>My soul is prepared? How's yours? But here's a question
<v Speaker 1>that you posed that we haven't discussed yet. Who is
<v Speaker 1>more important to the franchise? This is a big question
<v Speaker 1>for you. Yeah, we get the introduction of Henry Jones sr.
<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery yep, and we get the introduction of Leo Gets.
<v Speaker 1>Can I give you to guys a friendly piece of advice? Okay,
<v Speaker 1>don't ever go up to the drive through? Okay, always
<v Speaker 1>walk up to the county you know what. Okay, they
<v Speaker 1>do it the drive Okay, they do it the drive
<v Speaker 1>Who then goes on to do the next two movies
<v Speaker 1>with them? Yeah, he does. And so your question to
<v Speaker 1>me was which of these two is the more important character? Right?
<v Speaker 1>That's right for the franchise. Yes, it's a hard question. Obviously.
<v Speaker 1>With Leo Gets, you get further characters from movie to movie.
<v Speaker 1>But Leo Gets does not provide you with an insight
<v Speaker 1>into the soul and origin of Martin Riggs or Marta Right,
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't. He's comic relief. He's an antagonist for them
<v Speaker 1>to play against. And he's great. Yes, I love him,
<v Speaker 1>he's great, but he's not something that adds meaning to
<v Speaker 1>the story. Adding a Henry Jones to take a character
<v Speaker 1>that we already loved because he was a multi level character, right,
<v Speaker 1>like an imperfect hero, the anti hero, to take him
<v Speaker 1>and go, oh now, I'm beginning to understand why he
<v Speaker 1>is the way he is, and then also putting him
<v Speaker 1>in those situations where you know, even a prophet is
<v Speaker 1>not respected in his own country, like when he's around
<v Speaker 1>his dad, he's still a little kid again, which is
<v Speaker 1>crazy because we've seen this guy, we've wanted to be
<v Speaker 1>this guy, and now are like, he's just a goofball
<v Speaker 1>guy who just wants his dad to love him. Right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so it's got to be Henry Jones Senior. For me,
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be Sean Connery.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think this is a great question because of
<v Speaker 2>those reasons that you mentioned. One adds levels to a
<v Speaker 2>character that we know and love. The other ads laughs.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm taking Leo Goetz because he leveled up the
<v Speaker 2>franchise and because he stuck around for another two movies
<v Speaker 2>after them.
<v Speaker 1>Right, So I'm going quantity. You're going quality, Right, Well,
<v Speaker 1>you can't really blame Sean Connery for not wanting to
<v Speaker 1>hang around for the next movie after I can't whose
<v Speaker 1>name shall not be spoken on this podcast, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>That final shot of the Last Crusade as they ride
<v Speaker 2>off into the sunset, yes, which was added at the
<v Speaker 2>last second by the way. Yeah, shot in Amarillo, Texas.
<v Speaker 2>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So since you said that, I had this trivia bit,
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't think it was interesting enough. Yeah, Petro,
<v Speaker 1>we said in Jordan when they're when they're on the
<v Speaker 1>horses outside of the Petra, they're having the conversation about
<v Speaker 1>what junior means. Right, Yes, those four horses were owned
<v Speaker 1>by the King of Jordan, King Hussein. Wow, he let
<v Speaker 1>them borrow his horses to film that scene.
<v Speaker 2>That's great. All right, we are the final judgment between
<v Speaker 2>these two amazing sequels of the Summer of nineteen eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>You go first.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so let me just say right off the
<v Speaker 2>bat Raiders of the Lost Dark is my all time
<v Speaker 2>favorite movie. Temple of Doom was fun for me in parts,
<v Speaker 2>and I am a defender of Temple of Doom, but
<v Speaker 2>its tone, the darkness of it kind of let me
<v Speaker 2>down a little bit. Willie Scott drives me insane the
<v Speaker 2>whole time.
<v Speaker 1>So I was.
<v Speaker 2>Really really pleased with where part three went. I think
<v Speaker 2>the addition of Sean Conry's character was a big level up,
<v Speaker 2>and it pushes it almost to Raiders level. Right if
<v Speaker 2>Raiders is a ten out of ten for me. Last
<v Speaker 2>Crusade's probably a nine out of ten. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>so good, so fun, it's very enjoyable.
<v Speaker 1>It does have its faults.
<v Speaker 2>That are a little bit unrealistic in some spots, but
<v Speaker 2>it's so much fun that I just love it. Leath
<v Speaker 2>the Weapon two a sequel to a movie that I
<v Speaker 2>loved as well, but it improved on the franchise so
<v Speaker 2>much by adding the chemistry that we already love you
<v Speaker 2>add Leo gets you, add humor. The chemistry has grown,
<v Speaker 2>the characters have grown, the action is off the charts.
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely love leth Weapon two. I'm casting my vote.
<v Speaker 2>I am going to say that I enjoy Lethal Weapon
<v Speaker 2>two just a tad more than Indiana Jones and Last Crusade.
<v Speaker 2>So mark me down Leath's Weapon two.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we've talked before, and I've said before I
<v Speaker 1>think that maybe Last Crusade is better than Raiders. Is
<v Speaker 1>the lost.
<v Speaker 2>Art that's for blasphemy, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
<v Speaker 1>That might have been deserved, right, So in rewatching it again,
<v Speaker 1>I watched this movie several times with the kids. Last Crusade,
<v Speaker 1>I watched it more than I watched Traders with them
<v Speaker 1>because you didn't have melting faces in this one, right, Right,
<v Speaker 1>You've got one scene where the head goes rolling down
<v Speaker 1>the like a bowling ball, but that was enough, that's fine, right,
<v Speaker 1>But in rewatching it, I did see more of the
<v Speaker 1>problems than I had kind of noticed before. I felt
<v Speaker 1>like the religious imagery in this one was stronger than
<v Speaker 1>it was in Raiders, which was impressive to me because
<v Speaker 1>it was really strong in Raiders. Right at this point,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I would say that it's better
<v Speaker 1>than Raiders, but they are so dang close, Like I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you're saying A ten and a nine and I'm saying
<v Speaker 1>a nine point seven and a nine point five. You know,
<v Speaker 1>like they're super close, especially because of Sean Connery. Right now,
<v Speaker 1>the question is not whether it's better than Raiders or not.
<v Speaker 1>It's whether it's better than Lethal Weapon, that's right or not.
<v Speaker 1>And again, in leth a Weapon two, you find out
<v Speaker 1>some history, right, you find out what happened to Vicky Riggs.
<v Speaker 1>Just like both movies, We've got some expositional history that
<v Speaker 1>like gives these characters more flesh, more reality. But at
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, they're both so good that
<v Speaker 1>it honestly it comes down to do I want to
<v Speaker 1>watch a cop movie or do I want to watch
<v Speaker 1>an action adventure movie? And almost always the answer to
<v Speaker 1>that question for me is going to be an action
<v Speaker 1>adventure movie. The fantasy level, even though it's reality, the
<v Speaker 1>fantasy level of the supernatural, the religious aspect, the beautiful
<v Speaker 1>retelling of I mean, it's a perfect sequel. It is
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is really just taking it and mixing
<v Speaker 1>it up and telling it to us in a different way.
<v Speaker 1>Sure is done so well, I got to pick Lasker
<v Speaker 1>say love it. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't blame you at all.
<v Speaker 1>I love both. That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Well, we want to hear from you, guys, how did
<v Speaker 2>we do? Where are you on this argument? Where do
<v Speaker 2>you stand with which is the best sequel?
<v Speaker 1>By the way, just to just to add on to that,
<v Speaker 1>I was confident when I started this process that I
<v Speaker 1>was going to pick that last Crusade. I knew I was, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>But I was shocked at how much I liked Leath
<v Speaker 1>a Weapon too, because I didn't remember it being as
<v Speaker 1>good as it was, and it is fantastic. It was
<v Speaker 1>a much closer race by the time they finished than
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was going to be. These are two
<v Speaker 1>incredible movies, and if you haven't seen him in a while,
<v Speaker 1>go back and watch them again. Watch them with your kids,
<v Speaker 1>watch them with your family, and tell us who got
<v Speaker 1>it right? Did Jason get it right leath the Web
<v Speaker 1>two or did I get it right? Last?
<v Speaker 2>Crusade might want to fast forward past patsy Kinson's boobs
<v Speaker 2>if you're watching with your kids. Hell yeah, all right,
<v Speaker 2>what do we have next week?
<v Speaker 1>Next week? Well, it's rush week. It is It's rush week.
<v Speaker 1>You know what that means. Time for some hazing, time
<v Speaker 1>for some drinking and sex CapAids. It's time to go
<v Speaker 1>back to school, back to college.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, we are compared hearing Revenge of the Nerds from
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four versus Animal House nineteen eight.
<v Speaker 1>My gosh, that means that those movies are forty and
<v Speaker 1>forty six years old. I wonder how much different colleges
<v Speaker 1>now than it was forty and forty six years ago.
<v Speaker 2>Come back next week and we'll find out.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, guys, appreciate you so much. Guys. Hope you liked
<v Speaker 1>the song we had last week. Sounds like an eighties
<v Speaker 1>man to me. The surely you can't be serious band
<v Speaker 1>is back again and they have a shurly theme song
<v Speaker 1>for us guys. Here it is, surely you can't be serious.
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<v Speaker 5>but not nothing today, and the world went insane. But
<v Speaker 5>that's when surely chain indeed be joy in that same
<v Speaker 5>old way.
<v Speaker 4>Say there's the time to see Shay.
<v Speaker 1>We won't cross the streets. Surely this can be the
<v Speaker 1>best there is.
<v Speaker 4>Say to my rocket queen, come back against the rec
<v Speaker 4>and scene.
<v Speaker 1>Surely you can't you.
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<v Speaker 4>feels like the dark side of the wall. Sony cats
<v Speaker 4>a monaqueen cass. He is a killer queen, but.
<v Speaker 1>We'll spite the football.
<v Speaker 4>Say there's the time to see Showy.
<v Speaker 1>We won't cross the streets.
<v Speaker 4>Surely this can't be the best there is, Shany. You'm
<v Speaker 4>rocket queen coming back against the record machine. Surely you can't,
<v Speaker 4>you kid be serious?
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<v Speaker 1>They knew it too.
<v Speaker 3>Shuly's raw and tell you he is.
<v Speaker 4>Daniel Crane kid. Johnny's face, we are rock digging in
<v Speaker 4>the wrong place.
<v Speaker 1>Surely you kid.
<v Speaker 4>They serious had shot first, Rocky became a truck at
<v Speaker 4>Hans Booby was the worst.
<v Speaker 5>J K.
<v Speaker 1>I am serious and don't call me Shirley. Surely you
<v Speaker 1>can't be Sy.
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<v Speaker 1>You can't be.
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