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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome, Welcome to the host WrestleMania Frenzy,
<v Speaker 1>the chaos, if you will, the aftermat, the aftershock, the
<v Speaker 1>remnants of what was a very memorable weekend. And for
<v Speaker 1>those of you who have attended in person, such as myself,
<v Speaker 1>you know it was a hell of a show, or
<v Speaker 1>at least if you didn't get blinded by the light
<v Speaker 1>to quote a song, and yours truly was one of
<v Speaker 1>those individuals blinded by those blue lights and some hilarious
<v Speaker 1>tweets about red light green and blue light everybody, you know,
<v Speaker 1>basically playing a little bit of a pun on the
<v Speaker 1>Pitbull song with blue light rather than green lights. So
<v Speaker 1>it was a weekend to remember, that's for sure. I'll
<v Speaker 1>be honest. In person, it was a little bit disappointing
<v Speaker 1>outside of the peak of the show, which I believe
<v Speaker 1>was really the Hardy Boys return and the pop of
<v Speaker 1>the night, no question about it. So there's just too
<v Speaker 1>much to cover, and honestly, there's not enough time to
<v Speaker 1>cover it all. So if you're interested in joining the conversation,
<v Speaker 1>you can do so. Otherwise, I mean, I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 1>kind of really go through as much as I can
<v Speaker 1>for the time I have here, But if you do
<v Speaker 1>feel like join the conversation, you're more than welcome at
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<v Speaker 1>That's seven one four eight six eight zero eight zero
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<v Speaker 1>we can talk everything from WrestleMania to the Hall of
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<v Speaker 1>Live after Mania, And like I said, this, this is
<v Speaker 1>a show that could go twelve hours and still not
<v Speaker 1>run out of content to discuss. So feel free if
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<v Speaker 1>WWE podcast. So, guys, thank you for joining me. And wow,
<v Speaker 1>I mean as I said at the top of the show,
<v Speaker 1>I attended WrestleMania. I flew in Friday midday, you know,
<v Speaker 1>got my rental car, got to the hotel room and
<v Speaker 1>just kind of perused around Orlando, and I attended the
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, not all of it just because I'll
<v Speaker 1>be I had the cheap seats. I'll be honest, I
<v Speaker 1>had the cheap seats of Hall of Fame. And if
<v Speaker 1>you are up on the upper level you can't hear
<v Speaker 1>a damn thing. It was. It was hard to hear,
<v Speaker 1>I think because of the acoust you know, by the
<v Speaker 1>time they the individual on stage was speaking, their voice
<v Speaker 1>was already bouncing off of the ceiling and so it
<v Speaker 1>was interfering with what they were saying, you know, at
<v Speaker 1>the time, and it was just a mess to hear. So,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't last too long, but I saw
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it on the WW network. So that
<v Speaker 1>was a I think, a very good ceremony. I heard
<v Speaker 1>Beth Phoenix went on for an eternity and a half
<v Speaker 1>and so that I'm glad I did not stick around for.
<v Speaker 1>But I did see DDP get inducted. That was very
<v Speaker 1>cool to see Eric Bischoff back and the welcome back
<v Speaker 1>chance and all of that. So that was very cool.
<v Speaker 1>And obviously WrestleMania was the main event, and I was
<v Speaker 1>on the lower level, and I'll tell you w W
<v Speaker 1>does you know, I understand they want their crowd to
<v Speaker 1>look cool and have a nice visual for you know,
<v Speaker 1>all their sky shots and every camera angle they can imagine.
<v Speaker 1>I get it, but they need to really rethink maybe
<v Speaker 1>their priorities in the fact that you have some very
<v Speaker 1>angered fans, including myself, that the blue lights or whatever
<v Speaker 1>color lights they have shining into the crowd were directly
<v Speaker 1>in your face and it was to the point of
<v Speaker 1>annoyance everything. I mean, I don't care you know how
<v Speaker 1>good you think your eyesight was. It was blinding, unbelievable.
<v Speaker 1>It started during the Women's title match and it just
<v Speaker 1>continued and I'm sure you guys heard it on the
<v Speaker 1>on the broadcast. Turn the light off or we can't
<v Speaker 1>see I was participating in those. It was frustrating, but
<v Speaker 1>didn't last all night. It was kind of off and
<v Speaker 1>on and so anyway, outside of that, it was a
<v Speaker 1>great experience. My second WrestleMania only second two WrestleMania twenty
<v Speaker 1>in Madison Square Gardens. So it's been thirteen years since
<v Speaker 1>I've been to a WrestleMania and it was a hell
<v Speaker 1>of a time. You know. Obviously, the temperature was perfect,
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially evening time. It was very hot during
<v Speaker 1>the day but cooled off nicely, and you know, the
<v Speaker 1>crowd came up with some great chance and seeing the
<v Speaker 1>underds or actually let me start here. I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 1>through the matches, but just some things that stick out
<v Speaker 1>of my mind beyond those little annoyances, I guess the
<v Speaker 1>highlights obviously, the Hardy voice first thing that comes to mind.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been to some loud events. I've heard
<v Speaker 1>some loud pops that is up there, maybe because there
<v Speaker 1>are seventy five thousand other voices also screaming for the
<v Speaker 1>Hardy Voys. And it was an awesome return. It was
<v Speaker 1>it was adrenaline pumping, and you know, I think maybe
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things WrestleMania was missing from a
<v Speaker 1>surprise standpoint. Okay, we had the Hardy's return, but you know,
<v Speaker 1>no Rock no Austin, no Ronda Rousey. Just you know,
<v Speaker 1>it was missing those big moments, those you know, those
<v Speaker 1>mega stars that just have to seem to have a
<v Speaker 1>staple every year, and I know that they are probably
<v Speaker 1>all done wrestling in ring, but you can have the
<v Speaker 1>come out, give a rock Bottom, give a stone cold Stunter.
<v Speaker 1>It's you know, you can fit it into your six
<v Speaker 1>and a half hour show and cut out some of
<v Speaker 1>the fluff, so I guess from that perspective, I was
<v Speaker 1>a bit disappointed. And the fact that if you guys
<v Speaker 1>not only were in attendance or have attended Vesselmania before,
<v Speaker 1>you know that the pillars that they set up these
<v Speaker 1>outdoor arenas, if you're in the wrong position, the pillars
<v Speaker 1>that are in place really do block your view. And
<v Speaker 1>I was also in an unfortunate position, you know, paying
<v Speaker 1>three hundred dollars for one ticket, you know, you'd expect
<v Speaker 1>to have, you know, at least a very clear view
<v Speaker 1>of the ring, but I was just positioned at the
<v Speaker 1>wrong angles. So, you know. But outside of that Undertaker retiring,
<v Speaker 1>seeing Jim Ross return was awesome, I really did. I
<v Speaker 1>did not expect that what soever. I think that seeing
<v Speaker 1>him out there was awesome. I know that he was
<v Speaker 1>very gracious to have called the Undertaker's final match, which
<v Speaker 1>we didn't know until it was afterwards that it was
<v Speaker 1>his final match, but I'll be honest, I don't think
<v Speaker 1>it really is, and I'll get to that soon. But
<v Speaker 1>seeing him there and if that was indeed Undertaker's froual
<v Speaker 1>moments in ring, that was very cool. I know he
<v Speaker 1>needs a hip replacement. Seeing Goldberg Lesner, I think also
<v Speaker 1>was very cool and seeing really them put on the
<v Speaker 1>best match that they possibly could and redeem themselves from
<v Speaker 1>an awful WrestleMania twenty match. So that was very cool too.
<v Speaker 1>Roman Rains and I'm gonna get to him now. So
<v Speaker 1>Roman Reigns got I mean, I would say it was
<v Speaker 1>eighty percent anti Rains, if not more, and that maybe
<v Speaker 1>being kind. At WrestleMania, the crowd absolutely just shredded him
<v Speaker 1>unraw and they and we're I'm gonna get to mon
<v Speaker 1>Nay net Rot too, because that reaction was awesome and
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get to that just moment in a moment,
<v Speaker 1>my mind is going in forty directions. I'm trying to
<v Speaker 1>keep this in some kind of concise, easy to follow order,
<v Speaker 1>but there's so many talking points and if by the way,
<v Speaker 1>you guys, if you're listening and you want to chime
<v Speaker 1>in seven one four eight six eight zero eight zero
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<v Speaker 1>zero preus one and you get into the calling Q
<v Speaker 1>and hell, everything's on the table, anything and everything WrestleMania related.
<v Speaker 1>I am downs is to talk about. So U Roman Reigns,
<v Speaker 1>as I said, got murdered by the WrestleMania crowd, and
<v Speaker 1>I think not having a roof over the building kind
<v Speaker 1>of let a little bit of the noise escape. And
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you this, Monda net Raw, that was one
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest, loudest negative reactions I've heard in a
<v Speaker 1>very long time. And WWE, with all of their their
<v Speaker 1>non sense corporately packaged just mumbo jumbo corporate speak propaganda
<v Speaker 1>that well, love him or hate him, you know, people
<v Speaker 1>stand up and they make noise when he comes out.
<v Speaker 1>They they like to go by that and brainwash the
<v Speaker 1>individuals in WW that Hills and maybe Faces are pro wrestling.
<v Speaker 1>We're not pro wrestling. We're entertainment. As long as you're
<v Speaker 1>getting a reaction, that's what matters. For all of that
<v Speaker 1>crap that they like to spew out of their mouths.
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to note that they had Corey Graves and
<v Speaker 1>jbl unsmacked down and Raw each make sure that they
<v Speaker 1>let the audience know that they're gonna boom people. They
<v Speaker 1>normally cheer and cheer people, they normally boom. So suddenly
<v Speaker 1>who gets booed and cheered matters, But don't worry. I
<v Speaker 1>mean the rest of the rest of the year, We're
<v Speaker 1>gonna pretend it doesn't because this is the most passionate
<v Speaker 1>fan base OFWE has. As much as they want to
<v Speaker 1>say that is their niche audience, it's not their real
<v Speaker 1>traditional audience. This is your fan base that's keeping WWE alive.
<v Speaker 1>So just kind of brushing it off, or at least
<v Speaker 1>trying to do to manipulate the narrative that what they're
<v Speaker 1>chanting or booing or cheering is just them quote having fun,
<v Speaker 1>or just them trying to hijack the show and make
<v Speaker 1>themselves the superstars of the show is complete nonsense. It
<v Speaker 1>is nonsense. You think that these passionate fans are there
<v Speaker 1>just to quote have a good time instead of taking
<v Speaker 1>advantage of the opportunity to really voice how they feel.
<v Speaker 1>I just it infuriates me when WWE tries to take
<v Speaker 1>ownership or brush off the fact that they're going to
<v Speaker 1>have a crowd that doesn't necessarily jive or sink with
<v Speaker 1>who they have cast it in, what roles, and the
<v Speaker 1>fact that they're going to boot people they normally cheer,
<v Speaker 1>and cheer people they normally boo. It isn't more rockous crowd. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>that's the nature of the business. But you cannot disregard
<v Speaker 1>and brush off these fans as their voices don't matter.
<v Speaker 1>It's just a bunch of hardcore Internet fans getting together
<v Speaker 1>at one place at one time, and the rest of
<v Speaker 1>the year the other fifty one weeks, that's what really matters. Well,
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing I didn't hear I'm on the net
<v Speaker 1>raw or SmackDown either crowd in the Anway Center cheer
<v Speaker 1>somebody that normally boo and boot somebody there normally cheered.
<v Speaker 1>What I did here was a bigger or a more
<v Speaker 1>intense reaction just with the volume turned up, same reaction,
<v Speaker 1>volume turned way up, and in Roman Reign's case, the
<v Speaker 1>volume nob broke off, and that was something that I
<v Speaker 1>will I will. You know, if it's one of those
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those times, unraw and in WWE rare
<v Speaker 1>times that when you're having a bad day and you
<v Speaker 1>just need some kind of pick me up. You always
<v Speaker 1>have those moments that you go back to maybe the
<v Speaker 1>attitude area. You just you just want to feel good
<v Speaker 1>and kind of just just relax and put a smile
<v Speaker 1>on your face. You're gonna, in my mind, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>take that moment. I'm gonna put it in my brain
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the vault of my brain and go, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>if I'm having a bad day, you know what, I
<v Speaker 1>can always go back and watch raw from April April
<v Speaker 1>fourth of two thy and seventeen, because that was an
<v Speaker 1>awesome reaction. It was a reaction that I did not
<v Speaker 1>know because the Hulu version. By the way, folks, if
<v Speaker 1>you were listening to the Hulu version of the Roman
<v Speaker 1>reigns reaction, it got cut by like five to seven
<v Speaker 1>or eight minutes. You didn't hear the fu chant on Hulu.
<v Speaker 1>You didn't hear any of the other vulgar chants towards
<v Speaker 1>Roman reigns. And that's unfortunate because Hulu I got a
<v Speaker 1>sense of, Wow, this crowd's pretty volatile. But until I
<v Speaker 1>went back and then listened to other podcasts that said, hey,
<v Speaker 1>all these other chants were you know, we're vocalized towards
<v Speaker 1>Roman reigns, I said, wait, I didn't hear that. So
<v Speaker 1>Hulu cut out a lot of that, a lot of
<v Speaker 1>that negative reaction towards Roman reigns. And then when you
<v Speaker 1>go back and listen to it live, it is awesome.
<v Speaker 1>I know, Roman Reigns tweeted out that that was allowedest
<v Speaker 1>reaction anybody's received in two decades. He could have stood
<v Speaker 1>there for another fifteen minutes all this nonsense. Yeah it was.
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say it was the loudest in two decades.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know there's times in which it was louder.
<v Speaker 1>So is this a is this a official heel turn?
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's kind of a pseudo heel turn where
<v Speaker 1>he's just gonna be the guy that comes out here
<v Speaker 1>and says that this is my yard. But the question
<v Speaker 1>is number one, who does he match up with? Now,
<v Speaker 1>it's not Brock Lesner, that's not until next year's WrestleMania.
<v Speaker 1>We all know that's where they're headed. And unfortunately Brock
<v Speaker 1>is going to get fed to rains at WrestleMania thirty
<v Speaker 1>four next year in New Orleans. Number two, does Roman
<v Speaker 1>Reigns cheat to win depending on who his opponent is?
<v Speaker 1>That's going to be another key. My guess is no.
<v Speaker 1>My guess is they're going to continue to have Roman
<v Speaker 1>Reigns steamroll through the roster. So if that's the case,
<v Speaker 1>and might as well steer the course with this character,
<v Speaker 1>what's really going to determine a piece of heel or
<v Speaker 1>not is how he reacts to the crowd and who
<v Speaker 1>he's up against. That to me, is going to be
<v Speaker 1>the determining factor. Is a inofficial heel turn. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I would say this is people are already just prognosticating
<v Speaker 1>that this is the official heel turn, or at least
<v Speaker 1>saying it's coming very soon. I would say this is
<v Speaker 1>the turning point. I mean, you could have argued it
<v Speaker 1>happened that the royal rumble when he eliminated the undertaker,
<v Speaker 1>but that reacts guys will always bring a smile to
<v Speaker 1>my face. And when the fact, here's another thing. When
<v Speaker 1>Vince McMahon came out and the fans said, guys, let's
<v Speaker 1>stop channing whatever we're channing. Let's this is the only
<v Speaker 1>time we have to say directly to Vince McMahon how
<v Speaker 1>we feel about Roman reigns and the Romans sucks. Chance.
<v Speaker 1>When Vince McMahon came out was great. I really cannot
<v Speaker 1>say enough about the crowd. I understand people are saying, oh,
<v Speaker 1>it's disrespectful to the performers, you know, stop with this chanting.
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it, you know, no, I totally disagree
<v Speaker 1>with that I think the fans are allowed to do
<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell that they want to do within legal
<v Speaker 1>obviously legal limits. I mean, you can't do anything illegal,
<v Speaker 1>but you are at a wrestling show, and if the
<v Speaker 1>wrestlers can't handle it, you're in the wrong business. That's
<v Speaker 1>the nature of the beast. Why the hell wouldn't you
<v Speaker 1>want to rock his crowd. If the crowd wants to
<v Speaker 1>get involved, let them get involved, Let them get involved.
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand when people other fans get mad at
<v Speaker 1>these these type of crowds when they are, to me,
<v Speaker 1>the most the most entertaining, passionate, just best crowds of
<v Speaker 1>the year. And to hear Roman get that reaction, it
<v Speaker 1>was ninety nine percent boot maybe those one percent of
<v Speaker 1>the women in the crowd, you know, those those wives
<v Speaker 1>are girlfriends, and maybe if you're under the age of nine,
<v Speaker 1>you were probably like, maybe mildly cheering, but fearful that
<v Speaker 1>if you did you'd get your ass kicked. You know, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much it. It was the best reaction that
<v Speaker 1>I could have absolutely I could have possibly rendered for
<v Speaker 1>the Roman reign's character, and I love it. I think
<v Speaker 1>Roman is going to be a money money, money heel
<v Speaker 1>so okay, you know, I can talk about that forever.
<v Speaker 1>But again, guys, let me just kind of touch on WrestleMania,
<v Speaker 1>as I said, and then look been on Raw and SmackDown.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't have a whole lot of time, so
<v Speaker 1>I can't go through absolutely everything. I mean, there's a
<v Speaker 1>there's a plethora of topics. And if you want to
<v Speaker 1>really get involunteer and say, hey, I want to hear
<v Speaker 1>your opinion on this, or I want to vent about this.
<v Speaker 1>Now's the time. Seven one four eight six eight zero
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<v Speaker 1>We can can we can go hand in hand and
<v Speaker 1>skip down the street and vent about how whatever you'd like,
<v Speaker 1>because I'm in that kind of mood and maybe you
<v Speaker 1>are too. So that is the number seven one four
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<v Speaker 1>and whatever is on your mind. All right, So WrestleMania, guys,
<v Speaker 1>just some other quick level high leble thoughts. So then
<v Speaker 1>AJ Shane match, Yeah, we're all. Most of the consensus
<v Speaker 1>is that it over it exceeded expectation. I can't disagree.
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could disagree. I can't. I think that
<v Speaker 1>would be dishonest. Shane surprised me with how much he
<v Speaker 1>can still do from a wrestling perspective, not just stunt
<v Speaker 1>man perspective. I think that was a good thing. I
<v Speaker 1>still don't like the fact that Shane McMahon even pushed
<v Speaker 1>AJ to that level, and to think that Shane is
<v Speaker 1>at AJ's level is laughable. But okay, fine, they still
<v Speaker 1>had a good match, and you know, look, I think
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the credit goes to AJ as well,
<v Speaker 1>because AJ can make anybody, anybody in the ring look
<v Speaker 1>like a million bucks. But I can't take anything away
<v Speaker 1>from Shane either, you knowe AJ can only do so much,
<v Speaker 1>but Shane has to do his part, and I think
<v Speaker 1>he did. And so you know, I'm left sitting here
<v Speaker 1>on my hands. I can't say much about that other
<v Speaker 1>than it exceeded expectations and hats off to both men.
<v Speaker 1>And it'll take it from there. The SmackDown Women's Championship match. Guys,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going into secutive larder here, just kind of
<v Speaker 1>whatever pops in my head. It was a feel good moment.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the right move although you can
<v Speaker 1>make a case for Alexa Bliss, who in my mind
<v Speaker 1>was the MVP of the SmackDown Women's Division since the draft,
<v Speaker 1>but they wanted to feel good moment and they got it.
<v Speaker 1>I think Naomi is the hottest female in ww at
<v Speaker 1>least on SmackDown right now. Some good move in her hometown,
<v Speaker 1>feel good moment, YadA, YadA, YadA, and move on. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so I think that was it was the right move.
<v Speaker 1>But Alexa Bliss, to me, is the better character and
<v Speaker 1>the MVP. As I said, the let's see Jericho Owens.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't super impressed by this match. You know, I
<v Speaker 1>put this on my notes as a match that could
<v Speaker 1>potentially steal the show, and I don't think it did.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I know Jericho and we all believe Jericho
<v Speaker 1>is on his way out shortly. But I mean they
<v Speaker 1>had the best, one of the best stories going in.
<v Speaker 1>It was one of the better stories going in. I
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it from that perspective. And we move on to
<v Speaker 1>maybe their payback rivalry and Avid end there and Jericho
<v Speaker 1>goes on his way to Fazzy or whatever he's doing,
<v Speaker 1>and also the triple h Seth Rollins match guys. I
<v Speaker 1>you know, here's the thing with that match, and under
<v Speaker 1>the credit stone Cold for really picking my brain or
<v Speaker 1>at least stretching my brain to kind of go with
<v Speaker 1>his line of thinking, in that you have Seth Rollins
<v Speaker 1>who has a bad leg, probably legitimate bad leg, but
<v Speaker 1>enough to put on a solid match. So Triple H
<v Speaker 1>and Seth with that kind of limitation never really we're
<v Speaker 1>able to get to that next gear, as Stone Cold
<v Speaker 1>put it, and they weren't. You know, that really slows
<v Speaker 1>the pace of the match, in which you can't can
<v Speaker 1>you can't have the same pace of a match throughout
<v Speaker 1>the whole match and have the crowd really be able
<v Speaker 1>to stay invested at least not or beyond five ten minutes.
<v Speaker 1>You need to switch up the pace, bring the crowd up,
<v Speaker 1>bring the crowd down, no one to start, stop all that.
<v Speaker 1>All that stuff matters, And they weren't able to do
<v Speaker 1>that with the story they were telling of Seth's knee
<v Speaker 1>and Triple H's going after his knee and Seth's knee
<v Speaker 1>continuing to give out. But you know what, for what
<v Speaker 1>it was, I think it was a good match. I'd
<v Speaker 1>like to see Triple H's reaction or follow up which
<v Speaker 1>we haven't Stephanie going through a table. It's about damn
<v Speaker 1>time that she finally gets hers. Loved it good there,
<v Speaker 1>very nice safe fall by Triple H and Stephanie Good
<v Speaker 1>liked it there, and Seth goes over. And then we
<v Speaker 1>have Brock and Goldberg, which I said, you know that
<v Speaker 1>also to me, exceeded expectations. I timed it. I think
<v Speaker 1>it was just under five minutes of a match. I
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it. They did everything that they possibly could with
<v Speaker 1>that type of style and Goldberg's very limited move set.
<v Speaker 1>Very good job there. And then you have obviously the
<v Speaker 1>Triple H or the John Cena and Nicki Bella versus
<v Speaker 1>miss and Maurice. Look, that match wasn't about the match.
<v Speaker 1>That match was about one thing, and that's John scene
<v Speaker 1>it proposing to naked Bella and we got it. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, at first, you know, I remember being in
<v Speaker 1>the crowd and everybody before you know, when John Cena
<v Speaker 1>got on the mic and the crowd starts chanting no, no, no,
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty funny. I enjoyed that because I was
<v Speaker 1>also participating in that. But once John Cena got into
<v Speaker 1>it and he felt genuine emotions That's when I think
<v Speaker 1>the crowd really kind of like, all right, this is cool,
<v Speaker 1>all right, you know, genuine emotions spilled from John Cena,
<v Speaker 1>and I think that kind of turned the people, even
<v Speaker 1>those that were maybe boing or saying no to yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, either being quiet or even you know, supporting it.
<v Speaker 1>So that I mean, it was what it was. It's
<v Speaker 1>great publicity. Al Roker with Chocolate Thunder was a joke,
<v Speaker 1>and Al Roker should immediately exit the just exit WW,
<v Speaker 1>never come back. He is the exact type of personality
<v Speaker 1>that you don't want to bring in. He just can't
<v Speaker 1>take it seriously. Naming himself Chocolate Thunder is a complete
<v Speaker 1>joke and just so he can get on the Today's
<v Speaker 1>Show with the whole proposal, that's all it was. So
<v Speaker 1>Al Roker does not belong anywhere near anywhere near a
<v Speaker 1>WWE ring again. And that's all I'll say about that.
<v Speaker 1>The Hardy Boys match I think was great. I enjoyed that,
<v Speaker 1>obviously the biggest pop of the night. Really enjoyed it.
<v Speaker 1>Awesome to see and I hope that they're able to
<v Speaker 1>bring in that broken Matt Hardy character into the WW fold.
<v Speaker 1>I know that WW or at least Matt Hardy and
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Hardy are in the lawsuits trying to claim ownership
<v Speaker 1>of the Broken Universe. I guess gimmick for lack of
<v Speaker 1>a better word. And so we'll see. But the whole delete, delete,
<v Speaker 1>delete thing is super over. I'm just curious to see
<v Speaker 1>next week, you know, when we're away from this, these
<v Speaker 1>these rabid fans and these hardcore fans, just how how
<v Speaker 1>big of a reaction to Hardy's get and if this
<v Speaker 1>delete thing even catches on or continues to catch on,
<v Speaker 1>all right, the let's see here. And you know, I
<v Speaker 1>know tho's other things like the Raw Women's Championship match
<v Speaker 1>and Sasha beating Charlotte, and you know, or excuse me,
<v Speaker 1>Bailey beating Charlotte. To me, this moment would have meant
<v Speaker 1>more if Bailey wasn't already the champion. I you know,
<v Speaker 1>I called this a year out, except the circumstances would
<v Speaker 1>have been Charlotte coming in with a very long win
<v Speaker 1>pay per view streak, Bailey who is this up and
<v Speaker 1>comer from NXT And they had done a very piss
<v Speaker 1>poor job of me protecting the Bailey character and then
<v Speaker 1>having the story be it coming down to Bailey and Charlotte,
<v Speaker 1>and it did, except Bailey was already championed, so it
<v Speaker 1>didn't really mean as much. I know, she won clean,
<v Speaker 1>still it really took away from the moment because it's like, what,
<v Speaker 1>we've already seen this, and Bailey won it and her
<v Speaker 1>character accepted a flawed championship win. So all right, well
<v Speaker 1>that's enough of that, guys. Let's get into money nyroll.
<v Speaker 1>And you guys already know about the Undertaker chant that
<v Speaker 1>turned into the Roman Sucks chant, which turned into deafening booze,
<v Speaker 1>which turned into bulgarities spewed at Roman reigns, and Cole
<v Speaker 1>says that one of the reasons the crowd is booing
<v Speaker 1>Roman Rains is because of what transpired last night. Go
<v Speaker 1>away chance, you know what. And I already gave my
<v Speaker 1>opinion on this, but I will give WW credit for
<v Speaker 1>not protecting Roman raids here and just letting them get
<v Speaker 1>it all out to Roman Rains. It was awesome. As
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm just I'm glad that they allowed this
<v Speaker 1>to happen because the crowd was just waiting and chopping
<v Speaker 1>at the bit to get a piece of Roman reigns.
<v Speaker 1>And boy did they did. They ever so great. I
<v Speaker 1>just can't stand when they talk about these bizarre world crowds. No, oh,
<v Speaker 1>this is your most passionate fan base. This is the
<v Speaker 1>fan base that is with you through thick and thin,
<v Speaker 1>and suddenly their opinions don't matter or you brush them
<v Speaker 1>off as just bizarrow. Yeah. I really don't want to
<v Speaker 1>curse on this on the podcast, so I won't so yeah.
<v Speaker 1>But by the way, it's just about the reaction, not
<v Speaker 1>about who gets booed and cheered. But we're gonna let
<v Speaker 1>you know that. You know, these people are gonna cheer
<v Speaker 1>who they normally boo and boom who they normally cheer.
<v Speaker 1>But it's just about the reaction. Gag me, jbl gag me,
<v Speaker 1>gag me. Corey Graves. I understand you guys were probably
<v Speaker 1>just instructed to say so, I get it, I get it.
<v Speaker 1>But whoever it's trickling down from, and that's Vince McMahon.
<v Speaker 1>It is complete crap. And boy, is that the softest
<v Speaker 1>word I can come up with. So we had a
<v Speaker 1>tag team championship match right off the bat on Raw
<v Speaker 1>and that was a Hardy Boys versus Gals and Anderson
<v Speaker 1>Hardy Boys Retain and it looks like w A just
<v Speaker 1>kind of wanted to get this rematch out of the
<v Speaker 1>way so that they can get onto the Hardy Boys'
<v Speaker 1>next real opponents, whoever that may be. So, so we
<v Speaker 1>give Vince McMahon here and Roman sucks chance. I loved it.
<v Speaker 1>He thanks the fans for being so passionate and talks
<v Speaker 1>about the time that shake things up around here next week,
<v Speaker 1>and then gets to basically announcing the new GM and
<v Speaker 1>it becomes Kurt Angle so great. I think Kurt is
<v Speaker 1>going to excel in this role, which will lead to
<v Speaker 1>him facing someone maybe at SummerSlam at the earliest, and
<v Speaker 1>or WrestleMania, which is much more likely at the end
<v Speaker 1>of next year or the beginning of next year. Actually
<v Speaker 1>at over a year. It's April eighth, that's late for
<v Speaker 1>WrestleMania April eighth in New Orleans next year. So the
<v Speaker 1>New Day opens issues an open challenge. The Revival answer
<v Speaker 1>the call, and they beat New Day and then injure
<v Speaker 1>Kope's ankle. So the Tag Team here Tag Team division
<v Speaker 1>is really getting beefed up with the Hardy Boys return
<v Speaker 1>the Revival. I think the Revival versus the Hardys is
<v Speaker 1>probably where WW is aiming and baby where the hardy
<v Speaker 1>boys will drop the belts. I think that is a
<v Speaker 1>that's a key I think that's a key ending point
<v Speaker 1>or destination for w W and the tag team division. Sasha,
<v Speaker 1>Bailey and Data broke versus Emma finally debuting Nia, Jacks
<v Speaker 1>and Charlotte. So Sasha beats Charlotte with the banks David.
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte's on a bit of a losing streak, by the way, guys,
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte shoves Nya and Emma. Nia then lays out Charlotte.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if she'd turned babyface. So if so,
<v Speaker 1>look for that self to look at that equation and
<v Speaker 1>balance itself out shortly. Typically, when someone turns heel, you
<v Speaker 1>got to have someone turned baby and vice versa. So
<v Speaker 1>if Roman goes heal, aj might have turned babyface on SmackDown.
<v Speaker 1>There's always a balancing act when it comes to just
<v Speaker 1>the WW environment, the ecosystem. You have to have a
<v Speaker 1>roughly equal number of babies to heels, and so just
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a just a thought, we have
<v Speaker 1>a brock less segment. Hayman tells us a bedtime story
<v Speaker 1>referring to Goldberg. The whole time saying the happily ever after
<v Speaker 1>is you won't be seeing Bill Goldberg around here anymore,
<v Speaker 1>and that Brock is looking for new challenges and challengers.
<v Speaker 1>He talks about the two and the twenty three and
<v Speaker 1>two and that history dictates that those two should have
<v Speaker 1>a match, and he throws out the challenge to Roman
<v Speaker 1>Reigns as the crowd chance for Finnbaler. Of course, Broman
<v Speaker 1>braun Strohman comes out and says that he's damn sure
<v Speaker 1>got his attention. Brock challenges him to a fight, but
<v Speaker 1>Stroman backs down, and so I guess maybe that's where
<v Speaker 1>they're going next. I don't anticipate to see Brock on
<v Speaker 1>TV that often, if at all. I know that rumors
<v Speaker 1>are that he is not going to be at Payback,
<v Speaker 1>and so if that's the case, we may not see
<v Speaker 1>him until maybe middle of May, maybe towards Memorial Day. Folks.
<v Speaker 1>It could be a while, but I'm okay with that.
<v Speaker 1>I know the argument is, well, it takes the championship
<v Speaker 1>out of the picture, but you know what, I'd rather
<v Speaker 1>have it out of the picture and on somebody with
<v Speaker 1>eight trying not to curse guys with a bucket load?
<v Speaker 1>How about that that's a nice synonym a bucket load
<v Speaker 1>of credibility on them. Then somebody that has a little
<v Speaker 1>to no credibility but is carrying the belt every week
<v Speaker 1>and it makes it special when you see him. That's
<v Speaker 1>the argument. So I'd rather have it this way than
<v Speaker 1>the other. So just a bit of a bit of
<v Speaker 1>a rumor mill type of newsbit there is that Brock
<v Speaker 1>is probably not coming back for a month or even more.
<v Speaker 1>So let's see backstage, Jericho puts Kevin owens finger on
<v Speaker 1>the list, which all yeah, by the way, man guys
<v Speaker 1>man guys, I enjoyed or actually popped when Kevin Owens
<v Speaker 1>literally just put the tip of his finger on the
<v Speaker 1>ropes to save himself in the match with Chris Jericho hilarious,
<v Speaker 1>loved it, and so Kevin Owens' finger gets put on
<v Speaker 1>the list of Jericho. Kevin Owens and Sumojo attacked Jericho
<v Speaker 1>backstage and put him to a table which allows or
<v Speaker 1>puts him on the shelf, don't know for how long,
<v Speaker 1>but at least for the night and that time being anyway,
<v Speaker 1>So Kevin Owens and Samoa Jo versus Rollins and the
<v Speaker 1>replacement of Finn Balor so Baleri wins after the kud
<v Speaker 1>on Owen's some nice matchup. Crawd is super hot for Balor.
<v Speaker 1>And lots of debuts here, guys, lots of debuts shake
<v Speaker 1>ups and that's good. You do have to press the
<v Speaker 1>reset button, and I think WW is doing that in
<v Speaker 1>a very nice way. So all right, smack down live.
<v Speaker 1>As I said, and I won't continue to say, but
<v Speaker 1>I have it in my notes. JBL just has to
<v Speaker 1>say the usual corporate crap about cheery people normally boo
<v Speaker 1>and blah blah blah. So anyway, let's move on. Orton
<v Speaker 1>comes out and says that he is the master of Wyatt,
<v Speaker 1>and Wyatt hops on the tron and says that he
<v Speaker 1>is the master of nothing and that Bray will reclaim
<v Speaker 1>what was promised to him and he wants to fight
<v Speaker 1>Randy in a house of horrors match. Is this like
<v Speaker 1>a like a haunted house. I don't know how they're
<v Speaker 1>going to do this. It was like some fun mirrors
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what this is. But Randy accepts
<v Speaker 1>the challenge and calls out Bray right now, who actually
<v Speaker 1>accepts and teleports himself to the ring. Brawls with Randy
<v Speaker 1>and Eric Rowan returns and ends up meeting down Randy Luke.
<v Speaker 1>Harper comes out and even the odds and we get
<v Speaker 1>the main event of the evening, which is Bray and
<v Speaker 1>Rowan versus Harper and Orton. I'll get to that in
<v Speaker 1>just a moment. Nioi versus Alexa Blist for the Women's Championship.
<v Speaker 1>Really solid match up here, Just too bad it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>one on one at Mania. I think both of them
<v Speaker 1>based on what I saw last night on SmackDown Live,
<v Speaker 1>I think they could have gone the distance and had
<v Speaker 1>a fifteen minute match. I really do. It's a shame
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't one on one. Alexa retains clean with
<v Speaker 1>her submission, or excuse me. Naomi retains clean with her submission,
<v Speaker 1>which has yet to be named anybody now I know
<v Speaker 1>her finishes the rear end with basically bouncing her backside
<v Speaker 1>in someone's face, but I don't know her submission name.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but if someone knows, just to tweet
<v Speaker 1>me at Matt's Madness on Twitter. I'd love to know.
<v Speaker 1>So the next we had Kurt Hawkins Open Challenge and
<v Speaker 1>Ty Dillinger ends up being the one to answer the
<v Speaker 1>call and so Ty Dillinger, a guy that is or was,
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, more than ready to come up to
<v Speaker 1>the main roster, finally makes his debut super over with
<v Speaker 1>the crowd, but you know, anyone clean over Kurt Hawkins.
<v Speaker 1>But my question is what type of reaction do these
<v Speaker 1>debuting stars receive when they leave WrestleMania Town with the
<v Speaker 1>more educated and hardcore audience. I'm wondering. I'm really curious
<v Speaker 1>as to what type of reaction these fans will have
<v Speaker 1>for the as the wwlex labeled them, the traditional fans
<v Speaker 1>that just gets spoon fed with ww feeds them and
<v Speaker 1>they just they roll with whatever is it is they're
<v Speaker 1>told to do. And that's you know, I really wonder
<v Speaker 1>if the is going to maintain this type of reaction
<v Speaker 1>for the debut and stars of Ty Dillinger and Shinska,
<v Speaker 1>which will get to just a moment we have let's
<v Speaker 1>see miss and Maurice come out just like John Cena
<v Speaker 1>and Nikki, which to me is pretty funny. I know
<v Speaker 1>that get overshadowed by Shinskate's debut here, but it was
<v Speaker 1>pretty funny. Once again, I loved that. I know, if
<v Speaker 1>they had a lost episode special once a month or
<v Speaker 1>something like that, or even just create a series on
<v Speaker 1>WW network. I think that would be gold and money.
<v Speaker 1>People love it. I love it. I know that it's
<v Speaker 1>perceived praise up and down through many different outlets and
<v Speaker 1>myself included. So we had the violin play and Shinskan
<v Speaker 1>Nakamura makes his debut. He doesn't say anything. It just
<v Speaker 1>kind of stands in the ring as MS walks off
<v Speaker 1>it as whatever he does. If you guys haven't heard
<v Speaker 1>Shinsky's music before, man, it's catchy. It is just catchy.
<v Speaker 1>This guy, well he doesn't cut the best probo in
<v Speaker 1>the world. He can number one, work his ass off,
<v Speaker 1>and number two, he has got charisma in a presence
<v Speaker 1>that is not taught. You can't train it, you can't
<v Speaker 1>create it. He just has it. So I am really
<v Speaker 1>really excited, as many people are about Shinskay and his
<v Speaker 1>next full year. Here is where we roll into the
<v Speaker 1>Postmania life of wrestling, and we roll all the way
<v Speaker 1>into next year's destination of WrestleMania thirty four. All right,
<v Speaker 1>we have Baron Corbyn and Dean Ambrel street fight, really
<v Speaker 1>physical fight that had the crowd invested the majority of
<v Speaker 1>the time. Corbyn won clean at the end of Days,
<v Speaker 1>and he puts, this really just had to happen because
<v Speaker 1>it puts Corbyn back on the map after his WrestleMania loss.
<v Speaker 1>It continues the feud, which you know, look, you have
<v Speaker 1>split brands, you need to stretch out rivalries, no need
<v Speaker 1>to end them quickly. This one I don't mind continuing
<v Speaker 1>for another month or so, and maybe you know, the
<v Speaker 1>two pay per views, even with you know, Corbyn maybe
<v Speaker 1>getting the next win and then Dean eventually you know,
<v Speaker 1>getting the blow off match. So I'm totally fine with us.
<v Speaker 1>I think they go well together. Corbyn's improving, and we'll
<v Speaker 1>see where it ends up. Shane McMahon comes out and
<v Speaker 1>addresses the Superstar shakeup. AJ interrupts and says SmackDown Live
<v Speaker 1>is the house that he built, and he feels like
<v Speaker 1>he owes Shane something, but he ends up shaking his hand,
<v Speaker 1>teases like he's gonna hit him, and then just walks away.
<v Speaker 1>So is that AJ turning baby? I think so. I
<v Speaker 1>think it balances out the equation of Rain's turning heel, which, boy,
<v Speaker 1>that sounds so good to say, and I really hope
<v Speaker 1>that that is truly the case. All Right, we get
<v Speaker 1>the main event here. Nothing. I'll be honest, it really
<v Speaker 1>wasn't anything exciting. Brayon Owen, Rowan versus Harper and Orton.
<v Speaker 1>Orton won after Bray teleported himself outside the ring, and
<v Speaker 1>Rowan was just the sacrificial lamb to the RKO and
<v Speaker 1>Randy Stanstall with the belt as the fans are starting
<v Speaker 1>to turn on Randy a bit. And it's just not
<v Speaker 1>exciting seeing Randy Orton champion. I'm sorry, it's not a
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're setting him up for the shake up and
<v Speaker 1>he'll go to Raw or Bray will go to Raw
<v Speaker 1>or something of that nature. I don't know, but the
<v Speaker 1>fact that Rowan is back tells me that Bray is
<v Speaker 1>probably not going anywhere in this rivalry with Bray and
<v Speaker 1>Orton is not done being told the story of them anyway.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna guess they're all staying put. But new
<v Speaker 1>challengers are likely going to insert themselves from Raw on SmackDown,
<v Speaker 1>and that's maybe more exciting than Brain and Randy. I know,
<v Speaker 1>people are, you know, all excited about the storyline, and
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's I'll tell you it's not the
<v Speaker 1>most it's not the worst put together story I've ever
<v Speaker 1>seen by WW, but it just doesn't have a sense
<v Speaker 1>of urgency to it. It's just the same hoc. It's focus,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I have to kind of put that
<v Speaker 1>on Randy because Randy Orton is super talented, but he
<v Speaker 1>just kind of goes through the motions and it feels
<v Speaker 1>just like a job for him. And he's so talented
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't need to put a lot of effort in,
<v Speaker 1>which is unfortunate. And anyway, all right, guys, Well that
<v Speaker 1>was my quick forty minute wrap to WrestleMania SmackDown Live
<v Speaker 1>and w W Raw after Mania, and so there's look,
<v Speaker 1>there's there's so many different things I could go off
<v Speaker 1>and talk to you guys about, and you're always more
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<v Speaker 1>and I do appreciate and he goes who have done
<v Speaker 1>so already. So guys, I'll be back probably, I would say,
<v Speaker 1>early next week with these live formats. I really do
<v Speaker 1>enjoy being live with no net. There's no net here, guys,
<v Speaker 1>no net at all. And so it's by the way,
<v Speaker 1>one last thing mention awesome to hear Jr and his
<v Speaker 1>voice back on ww programming. And he signed a two
<v Speaker 1>year deal, so that tells me probably pay per views
<v Speaker 1>and special attraction matches is where Jim Ross is going
<v Speaker 1>to be placed. So always awesome to see him back
<v Speaker 1>in WWE. I think that it maybe lifted his spirits
<v Speaker 1>a little bit after the tragic loss of his wife
<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of weeks, and so I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>that it gave him a little bit of a boost
<v Speaker 1>after just a lost that many of us can't fathom.
<v Speaker 1>So that's awesome too for Jim Ross the man. All right, well, guys,
<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining me. I'll be back, as I said,
<v Speaker 1>probably next week, but always feel free to tweet me
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<v Speaker 1>until then, guys, take care. I'll talk to you next time.
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