Ebony Allard: Harmonizing Life's Symphony - From Autism Revelation to Entrepreneurial Innovations

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I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Why Not Me the World.
Today's guest is Ebony Allard. She's a mystic artist and
self actualation facilitator. She has such a great story to tell.
Thanks for coming on my pleasure.
Now.
I understand that you're living in Spain, but I hear
an English accent, so.
My accent is English currently in Spain.
That's what I thought I saw you was from Spain.
But I've spoken with enough people from England so that
I knew that you had that accent for sure.
She's not Spanish. Yeah, no, I'm not Spanish. And actually
I'm really happy to talk about it as an autistic thing. Okay, Oh,
how do I put this on paper? I still live
in England and so I always say I split my time.
But one of the main reasons for living here is
post diagnosis. I'm like, well, of course, basically when I'm
here because I don't understand everything all of the time,
my nervous system gets arrest and when I'm in the
UK or when everyone speaking English it's sometimes so FORLNG
for me just to be out in public and like
do life that I always wondered, like why do I
like being abroad so much?
Wow?
And it's my favorite place to be is where I
don't speak language and where I've kind of got that
white noise of language and around me rather than like
being able to understand every single conversation about around me.
And I have discovered that I'm not the only one.
There are a lot of expats or like nomads who
feel that way and who had never really put two
and two together until I've named it, and then they're like, yeah,
I totally get there.
Well, I think this is truly interesting. Of all the
people that I've spoken with, this is the first time
I've had this perspective in thought process.
When I got my diagnosis, which I did privately, It's
a long, complicated story and it wasn't easy, simple or fun.
But when I finally spoke to somebody who had experienced
diagnosing both women and dual diagnosis ADHD and autism, he
was Dutch and he lives in England. And when I
explained that bit to him, he was like, I really
get that as a Dutch man living in England. I
think I feel the same about it a little bit,
and so it was really nice and affirming to have
that experience.
Yeah.
So how long has it been since you've been diagnosed?
Like literally a year and a half ago.
Okay, So I guess my first question is why did
you wait so long to get your diagnosis?
Was there a reason for that?
I had literally no idea, like, genuinely had no idea.
I have a book called Misfit to Maven. I have
programs ten years old this year called Misfit to Maven.
So I always felt like I missfit, always felt like
I didn't fit in. But I attributed back quite a
lot to having a very unusual childhood, having unusual went
to a Stuina school, when lived in seven countries before
I was seven, have parents who are hugely ahead of
their time, and it just never occurred to me there
was even a thing. And genuinely for my generation, AHD
and autism weren't a thing that happened to girls. Just
difficult or like whoever or something or creative or a
bit bipolar or very hormonal. But it never no one
ever suggested it. It was never It's never an option,
and I you don't know what you don't know.
Right, absolutely, So you're just going through life as a
young kid, don't know that you're autistic. Affects everyone differently
how they interact with people. So I guess my question
is you're going through life as a young kid not
knowing you're artistic. How did it affect you and how
did it affect those around you?
I am hugely lucky and really appreciative of my parents
because they were really ahead of their time. They were
very into yoga and healthy food and living and a
lot of stuff that these days we would call kind
of nervous system regulation. Okay, right, So there was a
lot of again which are kind of buzzwords and things
that people talk about now, right, but didn't then, Like
in the eighties, those weren't things right. So if a
child's happened in tantrum or a meltdown or like had
system overload, which would happen quite a lot for me,
it wasn't made a big deal of I wasn't I
was given space to process and to do the things
that I needed to do well. And you know, it's
only looking back that we know these things. So I
have and I've talked about this on other shows, and
I'm happy to talk about it. And I wouldn't have
been when I was younger because I was ashamed. It
was really embarrassed. But I had a feather pillow that
I went with everywhere. I was very sociable. I would
stay the night, had people's houses. I love to do that.
As long as I had this feather pillow. Used to
call it a do doo. And as long as I
had it, I could sleep anywhere, I could socialize with strangers,
I could do unusual things. There would be some like
I remember having to make my or making my dad
drive me a four hour round trip to go and
pick it up, and I would have like lost it.
We didn't have this thing. And in my teens, I
went I moved to London, I went to university, and
I don't know how I made it so that this
was cool or accessible, but I had people like sewing
cases for this thing that was like twenty years old
and would leave feathers everywhere, and people would make covers
for it for me and like ask to borrow it sometimes.
When I had this, you know, and it was essentially
a security blanket that was a real source of stimming
and comfort for me and allowed me to interact, to
do normal things with people and feel so culture. And
when I was in my early twenties, I was very
embarrassed about it, and I decided it was time to
grow up, and I threw it away in a public
dustbin trashic hand so that I wouldn't go and get
it out and so that I wouldn't have it again.
And for a little while I was bereft I work
out why, and then I ended up buying an equivalent
right like this. I have these two pillows now that
are oh my god, and it looked like growing up,
I've got pillows and it travels with me everywhere on aeroplanes,
you know, all over the place, and the other one
is it's great, but it's not the same. A normal
person would be able to feel them, and they cannot
tell the difference which one is, which I can. And
again I feel so weird talking about it. But also
whenever I talk about it, other people are like, oh,
thank you for talking about this is so much.
Well, that's what this podcast is about the different things
that people do that might be something that other people
have in common, or something that other people might think
maybe I need to try that.
So for me, the dual diagnosis means that I can
come across really I can mask very well or come
across very neurotypical and very intelligent, and like, I have
my stuff together, and I can manage a lot of things, right,
and then I have day And that is true, right,
Like the part of me that likes routine and structure
enables me to do that part of me that likes
creativity and spontaneity and things to be different, right, So
they work really beautifully together, right, And then every now
and then I like hit a wall where I spend
three days staring at a ceiling and you cannot move,
cannot think, cannot do anything and just have to kind
of recalibrate and catch up. And for the longest time,
no one saw those times, so they just thought I
was this supermachine. A huge part of the last few
years has been being a little bit more public out
what those burnout or like just can't people or like
whatever those days are, that they exist, that I have them,
and trying to normalize that a little bit more as well.
Now you mentioned ADHD, would you diagnosed that way as well?
Yeah, yeah, okay.
I've had people that I think this is fascinating. Now,
it just depends upon how it works with you. I've
had people tell me that the ADHD will all them
in one direction and then their autism will pull them
back in another direction, and they're kind of conflicting on
which direction to take.
How does that affect you?
I often say, you know, when they're working together, I'm
like a superhuman, right, And when they're working opposite each other,
it's like having two toddlers running in opposite directions, and
it feels like like there's just this fight going on
inside you. And it is like if you imagine two
toddlers tantruming, right, it's a lot, right, It's just a lot.
And what happens to me is because I'm trained in
all this nervous system stuff, I like, now I can
identify it. Now I know what's happening. So I call
this meta state because it is fight, flight, freeze, fawn,
disassociate all at the same time, right, And so what
happens in my system is it's like it's completely overloaded
and shut down at the same time. And it's such
a like being able to have language for it being
able to understand and discern what's actually going on has
helped me so much in terms of my mental health
because I no longer think I'm dying. I no longer
think I'm going insane. I no longer think what if
I never get my brain back? Right? Like, I just go, hey, stop.
Like I literally treat myself like I would two toddlers,
and I'm like, calm down, have a breath. What do
you need? Are you hungry? Do you need a sleep? Like? Really,
nurture these two toddlers inside myself until until both of
them are more calm and one of them makes more
sense to me.
Now, your formative years, during your teens, especially for females,
they tend to mask it. And then because they're hitting
their teens and their bodies changing, they're going through all
these mental changes plus physical changes. How did you handle
all that?
So the other thing that happened for me around that time,
as I went from a school that had five classes
of thirty to a school that had ten classes of
thirty per year and eight years. So I basically went
from like this small, comfortable thing where I knew everyone
to this incredibly large campus. One of my earliest memories
of high school. I was short, wasn't as developed as
everybody else yet, and I got swept up, you know,
the bell old ring and I'd come out of this
classroom and there were so many people heading in a direction.
My feet would come off the floor and I would
be like swept along the courriage. And I would cope
at school. You know, I was funny, I was comedic.
I would get kicked out a class to chatty. Okay,
I got kicked out of class so that I could
have some quiet. I often say I spent most of
my school career in the corridor, and it was you know,
for me, being seen as the naughty kid who would
like speak back and was a bit like didn't care
had a duel benefit for me. And everyone thought I
was call too. I got to be in the corridor
where it was quieter and have like these calmer periods
throughout my day because the intensity of that many people
when the stimulation was just too much for it. And
then the other thing that I remember is that I
would come home from school and be a nightmare. And
I say that, and I want to be careful with
my words because I now have friends who have teenage
daughters who are having this same experience where they say,
in front of everybody else, she's charming, and then in
front of me, she's just overwhelmed emotional. And so I
would come home, slam all the doors, scream and shout,
and I remember, just like it wasn't onpose, I'm gonna
have to like get through all the doors to my bedroom,
jump on my head, put loud music, like metal music
on a kind of white noise for me, and then
just sob and sob and sob into my pillow. Not
because I was upset, because I was overwhelmed and there
was so much emotion in me that the only way
you'd move and come out was to, yeah, listen to
very loud music and cry. And I also smoked cigarettes.
And I think again that was a chance for me
to be alone and to breathe and to like all
of these things. I get it now, but at the
time I had no idea.
You said that that part of that made you the
cool person.
So did you have a lot of friends in.
School compared to others that would kind of shy away
from people.
Yes, and no, Right, Like, i I'm laughing because like
this idea that I thought I was cool. I don't
know that I was cool in any way at all, right,
but I wanted to be like I really wanted to be.
But also I found intimacy so difficult. So and I
remember again there were these two girls that were best friends,
and I remember them having to have an uncomfortable conversation
with me where they were like, you weren't in this
friendship group, like we are best friends, and like you
are the third wheel. And that hurt my feelings so
much because I didn't realize that we couldn't all be
friends the same amount of friends. And I noticed in
high school was that there were groups or cliques, right,
like people really got together. And it wasn't that I
had no friends in my mind. How true this is,
I don't know, but in my mind I was friends
with all of them. True, I just didn't identify with
one right like I would move from one to the other.
I didn't have any home or safety. But I loved
being able to dip in and out of these different groups.
And again I thought my aloofness made me cool.
Okay, all right, you get through your school years and
then you said you went to a university.
How was that?
Because universities in school are so different the way they
approach things, in the way the professors look at you
to do things.
How did that affect you so interestingly? In the UK,
I know that most people's university experience is not going
to very many lectures, and it's very social and again
you're given a lot of freedom and you have you know,
I know people who had three or four opportunities that
they had to go in each week. I chose a
subject that was very practical and specialized. I degree is
in scenic art and theater practice, and they accepted only
four people in my specialism. That year. I went to
Central School of Speech and Drama, which is one of
a very prestigious drama school in London, and we did
the background all of the stage craft for putting on shows.
I spent my three years at university in a workshop
environment where essentially I had a hyper focus that I
adore with other people who also felt that way about
this particular subject. And I was there five days a week,
sometimes six, from eight thirty in the morning till six
thirty at night. And it was the first time for
me that I felt like I had a family of
people who got me who were also interested in this
thing that we could talk about forever. And the likelihood
is that I had found myself a kin for the
first time.
Right. Sure, So once you got your degree and you
got all that behind you, then what did you move
on to?
So my degree was in theater, but I wanted to
work in film and TV because I felt like that
was where I could marry two things, I could potentially
three things. I wanted money, right, a socially acceptable career,
and I wanted to be creative, and to me, that
was a place where that could all happen. Okay, the
reality is that that industry there are a lot of
people who are autistic and or ADHD because it's an
industry where you have to overwork right, massively, right like
they count on your focus and codependance. So I did
very well, very quickly, but I also ended up really
experiencing massive burnout and eventually left that industry in that career.
Okay, So when you left that, what did you find
that was a better fit for you or did you
find a better fit I.
Moved into So I actually started one of the very
first virchel assistant and personal assistant businesses back in two
thousand and eight. Okay, very few other people were doing
it at that time. Instead of time you said to people,
so I will work here and you will work there,
And they were like, what you want to be in
my books and mortar building? Right, Like it's really new
to them. And I would sell people on this idea
that effectively I could do work for them while they
were asleep. You know, we could work, we could use
the time zones to our advantage.
Right.
That was yeah, my first business that wasn't me freelancing,
Like I moved from a freelancer, which I was in
the film industry to really starting my own business, right
I within three years, I had seventeen freelancers working for
me and we had class in seven countries. And again
there's a pattern. I massively over worked and burnt myself out.
So when you burnt yourself out, did you completely crash
or did you just kind of hit that point where Okay,
I got to slow it down and refocus and re energize.
I often say that the first one, so the film industry,
was a burnout, like I was exhausted, right, second one
was a breakdown because and the way that I described
that is that my insides and my outsides didn't match.
So what was happening is that I was maturing. I
was doing a lot of personal development work. I was
learning who I am, and I'm starting to learn about
my operating system and what made me different. I had
no language for you, but I understood that I was,
and I understood in some way that I was massa
and that I couldn't do that anymore. It was making
me miserable.
To do that right.
And I was using a lot of drugs. I was
using a lot of cocaine because it was the only
way I could show up as this person that people need.
I felt people needed me to be OK. So that
second period, that kind of breakdown period, that was really
a pivotal moment and led to what I do now,
led to me coaching and working in a kind of
a career in a way that is much more sustainable
and much more me. But it was a choice. I
kind of realized that I could either end my life
or I could choose to really learn who I was
and learn to love like who I found or changed
until I did, and I really made that my mission.
I actually moved to Bali for a short time and
gave myself a sabbatical, really chose to invest in my
own personal development and growth and figure out who I
was and change until I was able to love everything
or accept everything about myself. And that was twenty eleven,
twenty twelve, and I have been doing what I do
now pretty much since then.
Okay, so now you said that you got into some
drugs there for a while, and then you you also
brought up the ending of life. Was that a thought
process of you thinking to end your life or was
that just you afterwards saying, you know, if I'd stayed
on that path, my life would have ended.
There was intervention by other people en role. I really
was going to do it. It was only in discussing
that with other people that I was able to see
that there were options good. What I know is that
when we have the three p's, when everything in your
life feels permanent, pervasive, personal, the only option that feels
like a viable option is that the ending of life.
And I was in that place, were again very fortunate
to have enough people around me, in community around me.
Why is people who were able to show me that
it wasn't permanent, or that it didn't have to be
pervasive and slowly, slowly, I was able to move from
a place where they're where it felt like there were
no options to life where I see thousands of options
every single day.
Oh that's good, because I've talked with several different people
and Chris suicide is the second leading cause of death
among artistic people around the world, and we've discussed how
they got there, how they got past that, and then
what a struggle it is form every day to keep
moving forward with those thoughts every now and then coming back. So,
now that you've gone through the first two stages, that
third stage of working every day and making it having
a difficult day so that it doesn't come back, does
that ever enter your mind if you just completely push
that out now so that you're completely free of those thoughts.
I am completely free of those thoughts. Okay, good. I
cannot imagine ending it early. It's such an adventure, so
fortunate to be alive, and every experience is valid or
the experience in itself. And these days. That's not to
say I don't have down days for sure, of course,
just discussed right like I can. I still have periods
of burnout, I still have periods of identity where I'm like,
who even, well, I still get that. I very much
get the kind of autistic thought loops where I cannot
make my way forward because I cannot break out of
this thought loop. But these ways I have the capacity
to see it for what it is, and I'm like,
just drop it, right, Like, either you can sit here
and like stay in this thought loops forever, or you
can drop it and go do something else, right, Like,
what are some ways that I can distract myself from
this because today is not a day to make a
decision on this, like this is not working and do
something else instead. And so I feel like I have
really good tools for a lot of the things that
I felt so limiting before.
Sure, how long did you say that you've doing this
business that you're doing?
Now?
Where are we? So like twelve thirteen years?
So tell me the name of the business, how they
can get a hold of you, and then how the
business operates and what you do.
So the name of the business is my name, So
that's next for me. I found that much easier than
trying to be anything other than myself.
Right, Okay, all right, Abnie.
This one is actually Ebny Unlimited Limited, which is again
a really nice reminder of that I have these unlimited actions.
You can get hold of me by going to ebanielud
dot com anytime that you want you ask me what
does it do. One of my hyper focuses big interests
is where science and spirituality interact, and I work quite
a lot with human design. Of human design. Yeah, so
in human design, I am a manifesting generator. And again
this information helped me go, oh, I don't have to
niche into one thing. It's totally okay for somebody like
me to have more businesses or ideas or things happening
at once. So now I make art and have an
art and online art store that allows me to create.
And when I'm in a place of I don't want
to people, I just want to draw, I can draw
and make things and add them to my art site.
When I'm in a place where I really want to
people and I want to coach and facilitate and help,
I get to do that, and I do that in
groups when I want to have conversations like this. I
have a podcast called Adulting with Ebony, and that has
been different names, different but ultimately been going for seven
seasons now seven years well and again I love the
conversations and you know the relationships that that brings into
my world. And I write books and I have just
drawn and written an oracle card. They're based on human
signing GPS. And so this kind of fusion of having
different options where I get to people and not people
and I get to talk and or write and draw
has changed my life.
Yeah, okay, So when you do have people come to
you that need your help, Yeah, what kind of a
success story can you give me that they started here
and then after you taught with them or did what
you do, they wound up to another point.
So I've just interviewed a guy who did the very
first iteration of my group program, and that group program
is ten years after celebrating ten years over this year,
and he was in the very first round where it
was a series of videos that I was making like
on the hoof for each week as they needed them
and kind of badly made PDFs that the principles aren't same,
and I still it's got the value. The production values
have got up since then, but they call it that
the premise and each exercise and it's still exactly the same.
He was working for a marketing agency when he first
came and worked with me, he was absoluteolutely miserable and
did not see how his life could change. Because he
had kids, he had a wife, he had responsibilities. There
was no way it could change, right. He had a
small blog at the time ten years ago, a little
music blog, and he used that as his testing ground
for the tools that I gave him and shared with him.
And before he finished the program, before he finished the course,
and it was at that time called eighty Days to ur.
So within less than three months, he had been invited
by his favorite band to come and document their farewell tour,
and he traveled with them and wrote about the experience
and created a book with them. And that was massive
for him, like something, you know, just being invited, being
asked to go and do this changed his mindset about
what was possible for him. We then didn't speak for
a little while, and then he got up in touch
with me, and I noticed that he he got back
in touch with me. At the time, I was talking
about what it means to be a priestess, and he
got back in touch to say that he would be
really interested to have a conversation with me about what
a priestess is because he was in the process of
being ordained as a priest. Oh wow, he is now
a priest, and I call him the misfit priest. He
had an episode because it's such a journey right from
marketing through like this heavy metal music blog too, becoming
a priest. It's just such an incredible, incredible journey. And
so he came on and we talked last week about
what's changed for him, and he said, I feel at
home in myself and feeling at home with myself and
no longer searching outside of me for external things to
make me happy. Has allowed you to become happier than
I ever dreamed possible, and that for me is a
beautiful success story.
Oh absolutely absolutely.
Now, some artistic people as well as adhd issues with
having any intimacy relationships with others. Have you anchored that
yourself and have you helped others conquer that?
That's a fantastic question. Thank you for asking that question.
I am forty three years old and I have always
believed that it was not possible for me to have
a long term relationship. I believe that I could have
really great intimacy and really great intimate relationships with people
for a short period of time, because ultimately, at some
point they would figure out who I really was and
not like it, or I would get bored and me
or I would no longer be able to hold up
the facade of this perfect being and crumble in some way,
and what they would find would be really unlovable when
they would leave. And you know, all of those three
things are a culmination of the same thing, right Sure,
I can now say that I am in a relationship
that makes me very very happy with somebody who are
very very long time actually, and we're friends first, and
we have a lot of space on each other created
a relationship that works for us that maybe doesn't look
necessarily like other people's but gives me it doesn't have to,
and it gives both of us what we need and
want in terms of companionship, in terms of challenge, in
terms of fun and playfulness, and growth and intimacy in
all of those things. And for me, the hardest part
of that has been being vulnerable and truly believing for
myself that the most unpalatable, difficult parts of me are
lovable and acceptable. And I had to do that for
myself first in order for that person to also feel
that way, right, Because even if they've told me that
they felt that way, until I felt it for myself,
I didn't believe that right like people could tell me.
And I was like, you're lying right right.
So have you been able to help others cross that
brea like you did?
For sure? And I was actually much better at helping
others cross that barrier way before I was able to
do it for myself. And Yeah, one of my favorite
things to be able to do is to help people
identify their needs, communicate their needs, perceive love like all
of those things. Yeah, it's one of my favorite favorite
things to be able to do because for the longest time,
helping others to achieve it meant I didn't need to
do it for myself. I could iariously do that. Sure. Yeah.
The one thing that I like is I taught with
an autistic guy.
He did public speaking, and he was married, had a
couple of kids, and because the stigma of autism, he
told me that he would have several people come up
to him after he spoke and they would make statements
like I didn't realize artistic people could have kids. These
people don't understand. One of the better things that came
out of the conversation with him is how he and
his wife developed their relationship. It was a culture difference.
He looked at it like, you've moved from England to Spain,
and two different people in two different countries will have
two different ways of doing things and they have to
learn each other's culture.
And that's how they addressed their life.
And ultimately it worked out and they got mirror and
had a couple of kids and then live in a good,
good life.
I love that, and I feel like it's so true.
And you know, I remember as a younger person, I
would hear people say things like men of from Mars
and women from Venus right right, And again there was
this idea that we were from different planets.
Right.
In fact, this person that I'm now in a relationship with,
when we first met each other, we were so different
that the idea of landing in a place of really
understanding each other without fighting or without conflict, right, it
was like, listen, we like each other, but there's just
no way on earth it's just gonna work right right,
roll on like thirteen fourteen years and you know where
we are now is like we're so different that we
make a fantastic team because we've got each other right,
Like I've got these bits, you've got those bits, and
the values are in line with each other. The things
that we really value, the things that we really care
about are the same. Do we have sometimes conflicting beliefs
about those things for sure? And having an air of
curiosity and also this I don't know, softness of maturity
allows us to have dialogue about it from a life
that's fascinating, like I would never think about it like that,
rather than you're so wrong or you're so weird. Right, Instead,
there's this level of wow. I love that because that
curiosity and that fascination. And one of the things I
say in my coaching business over and over again, and
one of the hardest things for me to learn and
embody not just say, was you can be right or
you can be happy. And nearly aone says to me,
I want both, Like that's nice. You're going to have
to choose, and I have chosen finally, happiness over being right.
And I know like these days I do not have
to be right all the time, and it is what
it is that one thing that allows me to be happy.
That's great, all right?
So now you're standing in front of one hundred people
or a thousand people, you're giving a little conference. Some
of them are artistic, some of them maybe ada to
D some of thee might be neurotypical.
What are you going to tell?
Each of us has a unique operating system, and when
we understand that operating system, we can utilize it really well.
And if we assume that everyone's operating system works the same,
it can be incredibly frustrating. So for example, if I
go up to a vending machine and I presume it
works a certain way, I can just stand there bashing
numbers and nothing comes out. Or I can understand this
particular operating system and something beautiful or drop out for me,
right like, instantly, sure, that is the case. I think
with all human beings, right like, we can spend a
minute reading the manual or learning the manual, understanding how
this being operates, and then interacting with it can become
a really beautiful thing rather than a really frustrating thing.
Most of us assume we know other people's operating manual
and we do not, And rather than thinking it will
be really frustrating to learn, it can be fascinating to learn.
Someone else's operating system.
Yeah, okay, So now is there anything that we haven't
touched upon that is important to you that you would
like to put out there.
So the core of two programs or you know, experiences
that I run are the first one I call glow up,
don't grow up. And what I see in a lot
of neurodiverse individuals is that they are taking too much
responsibility the stuff that is not their responsibility, and not
enough responsibility for their own fun and or pleasure. And
so that idea of glow up rather than grow up
is one that I would love to infect the world with, Like,
check what you're being responsible for the world. The way
of the world is not yours to carry. Is your
responsibility to have fun and enjoy your life. So that's one.
The second transformation that I take people on is become
full of yourself. And I don't know whether I'm allowed
to swear that I'm gonna do it anyway, but I say,
become full of yourself, because who else should you be
full of? And many, many years ago I ran some
Facebook cads and separate campaigns, and under both of these campaigns,
people wrote, oh my god, this woman is so full
of herself. And my initial response was like, I think
I'm not supposed to be so I should be offended, right,
And secondly, who should I be full of? I don't understand.
And so this other thing of like, please become full
of yourself. You are fascinating. I want to see what
you are full of, who you will full of? And
when we people who are full of themselves, if it
upsets us, it's only because we are not love ourselves
and said I would love to be a demonstration of
being full of myself and give new permission to be
full of yourself.
It's been fascinating than a great conversation. I really appreciate
you coming on.
Thank you for having me for hosting this. I think
it's such important work. It really really is so, and
you are great at asking really good questions.
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