Alien (1979) vs. Aliens (1986): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Hello Shirley fans, and welcome to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. We are here today to discuss two
<v Speaker 1>iconic movies, Alien and Aliens.
<v Speaker 2>Hey wait, wait, wait wait wait, excuse me, sir.
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be another bug hunt.
<v Speaker 4>We're an express elevator to Hell going down.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. All right, so we're gonna start off
<v Speaker 1>with Alien, a movie about an unwanted pregnancy.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, traumatic unwanted pregnancy.
<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, Welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. We are here today to discuss two
<v Speaker 1>iconic movies, Alien and Aliens. There are other movies in
<v Speaker 1>this franchise, but they do not meet our standards for
<v Speaker 1>this podcast, and so we will not be discussing them.
<v Speaker 1>Only the first two movies. Do you remember seeing either
<v Speaker 1>one of these movies? Jason, Okay, yes, I absolutely do.
<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal with Alien. Alien came out in seventy nine.
<v Speaker 3>I was six.
<v Speaker 2>This was one of those movies that scared the pants
<v Speaker 2>off of me, but I knew I had to see it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So I was at a friend's house and his parents
<v Speaker 2>had rented it, and we managed to drum up the
<v Speaker 2>courage to watch the chestburster scene, right and scare me
<v Speaker 2>to death like Nightmare City, right right, Super scary but thrilling. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>super exciting, right, what about you?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I don't remember seeing Alien at all. I
<v Speaker 1>mean I was born in seventy five. This came out
<v Speaker 1>in early or mid seventy nine, so I was only
<v Speaker 1>three years old. I didn't see it, but it was
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Jaws. It was just kind of part
<v Speaker 1>of my conscious. My dad, I know, loved the movie,
<v Speaker 1>and seven years later when Aliens came out, I can
<v Speaker 1>remember him taking me to the theater to watch the movie,
<v Speaker 1>which was a big deal because I was not allowed
<v Speaker 1>to watch rated our movies. Right, But he would go
<v Speaker 1>and watch the movie beforehand, make sure there weren't any boobies.
<v Speaker 1>The F word was okay for this particular scenario because
<v Speaker 1>of the movie.
<v Speaker 3>It was it's combat scenario.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, I mean it's like like like my wife
<v Speaker 1>and I say, you have inappropriate and funny, and if
<v Speaker 1>the funny outweighs the inappropriate us, then it's okay. And
<v Speaker 1>in this movie, the awesomeness far outweigh the inappropriateness of
<v Speaker 1>the language. And so he brought me in to see it,
<v Speaker 1>and he was convinced, convinced that the alien was going
<v Speaker 1>to come to Earth through the cat through jonesy Oh, okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. So watching it for this podcast, I texted
<v Speaker 1>you yesterday and I was like, oh my gosh. The
<v Speaker 1>scene where she has to run away, where she's about
<v Speaker 1>to escape, the countdown is happening and she has to
<v Speaker 1>run away because the alien is standing where she's trying
<v Speaker 1>to go in the escape ship. You see the alien's
<v Speaker 1>face as she's running back to try to turn off
<v Speaker 1>the self destruct button, and the alien's face is right
<v Speaker 1>over the cat's head, and I was just like, this
<v Speaker 1>had to be like a fan theory, right, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you've got seven years of time where all kinds of
<v Speaker 1>theories develop about what's going to happen with aliens, and
<v Speaker 1>so I'm thinking he had to be he had to
<v Speaker 1>be one of those guys who was like, I know,
<v Speaker 1>I saw the cat's head underneath the alien when she
<v Speaker 1>ran off to try to stop the countdown, but I
<v Speaker 1>had never seen it before this time.
<v Speaker 2>Really Okay, cool, Well let me tell you about the
<v Speaker 2>time I saw aliens. Okay, So I did not see
<v Speaker 2>it in the theater. I don't know how it got
<v Speaker 2>past me. I think the summer of eighty six, I
<v Speaker 2>was just all top gun and that was it, right.
<v Speaker 2>So I saw it on HBO the next summer, summer
<v Speaker 2>of eighty seven, and I remember the night I had
<v Speaker 2>a friend came over for a family dinner and it
<v Speaker 2>was one of those things where I probably should have
<v Speaker 2>been politely sitting at the table, engaged in conversation, but
<v Speaker 2>I could not tear myself away from the TV.
<v Speaker 1>I am frequently that guy.
<v Speaker 3>I knew I was being rude, but I could not
<v Speaker 3>help it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it blew.
<v Speaker 2>My doors off. This is one of my all time favorites.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before we get going, I just want to point
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<v Speaker 1>Perfect. I mean, and I gotta say Bill Paxton was
<v Speaker 1>a key part of why this movie stuck in my mind,
<v Speaker 1>stuck in my memory. Such a great job and his
<v Speaker 1>first real movies, first breakout performance. I mean, he had
<v Speaker 1>been a part of a couple of other things, but
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk about him when we get into casting.
<v Speaker 3>Are we talking about where he's science today too?
<v Speaker 1>Maybe?
<v Speaker 3>All right, great, let's dive in.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So our story begins in rural Missouri where Dan
<v Speaker 1>O'Bannon grew up. Dan O'Bannon is the author of Alien,
<v Speaker 1>and he grew up in a town that was so
<v Speaker 1>rural and so small. He didn't even have a telephone
<v Speaker 1>until he was ten years old.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no library, no TV.
<v Speaker 1>Right. His dad ran this kind of curio, weird event
<v Speaker 1>weird like you know, had one of those rooms that
<v Speaker 1>when you stand on one end you look big and
<v Speaker 1>stand in the other you look small, little tilted room.
<v Speaker 1>It was just kind of weird and at some point,
<v Speaker 1>he and his dad created a false UFO sighting got
<v Speaker 1>the News to come down to this curio. So I
<v Speaker 1>think that that part of you know, imprint moment number one, Right,
<v Speaker 1>we talked about imprint moments with Prince. This imprint moment
<v Speaker 1>for Dan O'Bannon number one fake UFO sighting. The News
<v Speaker 1>shows up to, you know, to investigate imprint with his
<v Speaker 1>mom is there's no library in the town, so she
<v Speaker 1>just orders books and she wants him to read literature,
<v Speaker 1>but he loves science fiction. And it's like us with
<v Speaker 1>our kids in the iPhones. You're not sneaking at science fiction,
<v Speaker 1>are Yeah? Get back here, you like, I would love
<v Speaker 1>it if my kids just read science fiction. It'd be fantastic. Right.
<v Speaker 1>So he's got literary background, he's got science fiction, and
<v Speaker 1>he's got a little bit crazy with his UFO deck.
<v Speaker 2>This picture of a styrofoam plate landed three miles outside
<v Speaker 2>of town last week.
<v Speaker 1>So he ends up going to college. He does stand
<v Speaker 1>up comedy, does make up for the theater productions there
<v Speaker 1>at his college, and a little later on he's reading
<v Speaker 1>a Playboy magazine and the article is a great need
<v Speaker 1>they are and he's actually reading the articles, and one
<v Speaker 1>of the articles is about the best film schools, like
<v Speaker 1>it's Playboy's pick of the best film schools. He sees
<v Speaker 1>that USC is one of those schools, and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go to USC.
<v Speaker 3>Sure, why not?
<v Speaker 1>And so he goes out to USC and he meets
<v Speaker 1>this guy named John Carpenter.
<v Speaker 3>John Carpenter Awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Have you heard of him?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>You know he did the thing and he did stay
<v Speaker 2>from New York yep.
<v Speaker 1>Right. He and John Carpenter get together and they make
<v Speaker 1>this student film called dark Star Dark Star. You know
<v Speaker 1>dark Star, right, it's like the Death Star. So Dark
<v Speaker 1>Star is the story of this deteriorating starship Dark Star,
<v Speaker 1>twenty years into its mission of destroying planets. So because
<v Speaker 1>they might threaten the future colonization of other planets sounds
<v Speaker 1>kind of similar to another plotline that we're going to
<v Speaker 1>talk about today. Right. So they're working on this film
<v Speaker 1>and O'Bannon does enough work on the film. I mean
<v Speaker 1>he's in it number one. He does all the special effects,
<v Speaker 1>which I got to say that the spaceship stuff great.
<v Speaker 1>The alien that they're fighting painted beach ball, Yeah, but
<v Speaker 1>it's more of it's more of a sci fi comedy
<v Speaker 1>than a sci fi horror movie. But anyway, he and
<v Speaker 1>John Carpenter have this big falling out dan Oban and says,
<v Speaker 1>screw you, I'm gonna go make my own movie. Why
<v Speaker 1>is this a big deal since it's just a student film. Well,
<v Speaker 1>it turns out that actually goes to big release. And
<v Speaker 1>that's really important because one of the guys who happens
<v Speaker 1>to see this movie is a guy named Alejandro Pordorowski. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so if you don't recognize that name, I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>remind you. He came up when we were doing our
<v Speaker 1>Canners episode. Wow, Mike was talking about this documentary called
<v Speaker 1>horder Rowski's Dune. Howdarowski was this really weird, like he
<v Speaker 1>made some really really strange movies, But he was the
<v Speaker 1>guy who was first enlisted to direct the movie Doune,
<v Speaker 1>and it became his passion, his obsession. It was this
<v Speaker 1>all encompassing thing and he went through this huge, huge
<v Speaker 1>development process only to have it ultimately turned down. But
<v Speaker 1>in that development process, he's finding people, right, and Mike
<v Speaker 1>talked about he's looking for spiritual warriors. So Howdiowski's looking
<v Speaker 1>for for a guy to do his special effects, And
<v Speaker 1>who's the first guy that you should go to. This
<v Speaker 1>is back in the seventies. Well, it's got to be
<v Speaker 1>the guy who did the special effects for two thousand
<v Speaker 1>and one A Space obviously, okay, And that guy's name
<v Speaker 1>is Douglas Trumble And he goes and meets with him,
<v Speaker 1>and Doug Trumbull is like, Okay, you know, your ideas
<v Speaker 1>are great, but we're just gonna do it this way
<v Speaker 1>because this is the way that I do things. And
<v Speaker 1>Portorowsky is like, this is not my spiritual warrior. I
<v Speaker 1>gotta find somebody else. Leaves talking to him. Is walking
<v Speaker 1>down the street with his friend. They see a movie theater.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, let's go watch a movie. The movie they
<v Speaker 1>watch Dark Star, okay, and so he sees the special
<v Speaker 1>effects in Dark Star. He's like, we need to find
<v Speaker 1>out who did this. We need to make this guy
<v Speaker 1>our guy. We need to find him and the special
<v Speaker 1>effects Dan O'Bannon had done special effects and he had
<v Speaker 1>won a Saturn Award, and so they were able to
<v Speaker 1>locate him and they're like, hey, we're making this movie.
<v Speaker 1>We want you to be in charge of our special effects.
<v Speaker 1>Sell all your stuff, fly to France and come make
<v Speaker 1>this movie with us, And so Dan Obannon sells all
<v Speaker 1>of his stuff, flies to France and they start making
<v Speaker 1>this movie together.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>In that process he meets a couple of really important guys.
<v Speaker 1>Number one hr Geiger.
<v Speaker 3>All right.
<v Speaker 2>Hr Geiger is a very interesting, demented even artist who
<v Speaker 2>comes up with these incredible paintings that they base the
<v Speaker 2>alien on.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they're freaky, yes.
<v Speaker 1>And so he and Dan O'Bannon immediately hit it off
<v Speaker 1>because they both have a love for this author named
<v Speaker 1>HP Lovecraft. And as a matter of fact, hr Geiger
<v Speaker 1>has done illustrations for a book that Lovecraft did called Necronomicon. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but ultimately Dune doesn't happen. The studio gets this monumental
<v Speaker 1>book of the whole movie that Haraski has put together,
<v Speaker 1>and they basically say no, we're not doing it, and
<v Speaker 1>his dream is dashed and Dan O'Bannon is now broke.
<v Speaker 1>He goes back home, except he has no home. He's
<v Speaker 1>living on people's couches. And one of the people's couches
<v Speaker 1>that he's living on is this guy named Ronald Shuett.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ronald Shusett is the guy that he ends up
<v Speaker 2>working on the screenplay for the original Alien with Yes.
<v Speaker 1>So he's sleeping on his couch. Shusett is keeping him
<v Speaker 1>alive with hot dogs.
<v Speaker 2>His wife is working right, and these two guys are
<v Speaker 2>laying around talking about making a movie.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, Shusett had done a movie before it was
<v Speaker 1>called W had started Twiggy. He had produced that movie.
<v Speaker 1>So he's not nobody, but it's W by Twiggy. What no, no,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah right bug. So Dan O'Bannon is working on
<v Speaker 1>this script called Memory right, and the idea is it's
<v Speaker 1>a space adventure horror movie that somehow the aliens are
<v Speaker 1>causing the astronauts to forget. That's part of the plot
<v Speaker 1>line right there, they're erasing their memory. But all he's
<v Speaker 1>got is the first twenty nine pages, and the first
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine pages are basically the beginning of the movie Alien.
<v Speaker 1>And so the problem is that Dan O'Bannon is having
<v Speaker 1>it is he can't think of how to get the
<v Speaker 1>alien on board. So he had started he had started
<v Speaker 1>struggling about twenty four years old. He had started struggling
<v Speaker 1>with Crohn's disease, which is an intestinal disease. So he
<v Speaker 1>had this idea that he wanted the alien to be
<v Speaker 1>unpleasant and come out of a stomach. You know, this
<v Speaker 1>kind of miserable experience ultimately ends up killing Dan O'Bannon.
<v Speaker 1>He died from this disease. But anyway, he's he's got
<v Speaker 1>this idea, but he doesn't know how to put it together.
<v Speaker 1>And then one night he's sleeping on the couch, Ronald
<v Speaker 1>Shuest wakes him up and he's like, I've got the
<v Speaker 1>answer and he's like, what, Yes, I've got the answer
<v Speaker 1>to how the alien gets on board. He's like, oh, oh,
<v Speaker 1>you got the answer.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, what and he goes he He's like, yes, he
<v Speaker 4>launches onto his face, he sticks it two down his throat,
<v Speaker 4>he plants his seed while also feeding him air, and
<v Speaker 4>that's how it gets in his stomach.
<v Speaker 1>And then you can have it come out and then
<v Speaker 1>we just gotta figure out the rest of your movie.
<v Speaker 3>This is genius.
<v Speaker 1>This is the biggest, most important part of this whole movie.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so here's my thoughts on this.
<v Speaker 2>We talked, I know we're gonna dive deep on this,
<v Speaker 2>but when they started talking about this idea, they latched
<v Speaker 2>onto it and they're like, this is great, this is
<v Speaker 2>super uncomfortable.
<v Speaker 3>This is like male rape, right, and.
<v Speaker 1>So that's really like this whole movie I didn't realize
<v Speaker 1>it before, is all very much a sexual attack. Right.
<v Speaker 1>It's all very much about rape. It's about rape, it's
<v Speaker 1>about rape and pregnancy because of it. It is the
<v Speaker 1>underlying subtext of the entire movie.
<v Speaker 2>So they were talking about how they're going to do it,
<v Speaker 2>and so he got involved in studying wasps. There are
<v Speaker 2>wasps who lay eggs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they lay the eggs inside of like a caterpillar
<v Speaker 1>or something like that.
<v Speaker 3>I watched some of these.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, my word is horrific, like because the wasp hits
<v Speaker 1>the caterpillar and then the caterpillar just keeps on going. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh I just got stung by a wasp. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>no big deal, keep on going. I'm all right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>until like all of a sudden, it starts twitching and
<v Speaker 1>then things start using out its sides, and it deflates
<v Speaker 1>as the larvae come out after having devoured its intestines.
<v Speaker 3>That's about the.
<v Speaker 2>Most unpleasant way to die that I can think of, Right,
<v Speaker 2>I know we're.
<v Speaker 3>Gonna get to it.
<v Speaker 2>But the lady who interviewed Ridley Scott after the movie
<v Speaker 2>came out the first critic.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we listened to her interview.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she was so offended by this.
<v Speaker 1>She was so condescending. I mean, I'm sitting there watching
<v Speaker 1>this thing. I'm like, how dare you? How dare you
<v Speaker 1>talk to Sir Ridley Scott in this way? But he
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Sir Ridley Scott, right, he was just a guy
<v Speaker 1>who had directed his second movie, right, And she didn't
<v Speaker 1>know what was going to happen with it was before
<v Speaker 1>the movie was released. She was just upset because it
<v Speaker 1>got a little gory.
<v Speaker 3>It got way gory for her.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and really, s guy's like, listen, there's only one
<v Speaker 2>scene that's kind of pretty gory, but that's that's it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There are scenes where you hear things and where
<v Speaker 1>things are suggested, but the only scene where you've got
<v Speaker 1>blood is the one chest bursting scene, one scene in
<v Speaker 1>the whole movie. But man, it made the whole movie.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so.
<v Speaker 1>After figuring out the face hugger rape, ron shut it
<v Speaker 1>suggests that O'Bannon use another film idea that he had
<v Speaker 1>talked to him about before. About you ready for this?
<v Speaker 1>Grimlins on a B seventeen bomber during World War Two?
<v Speaker 2>All Right?
<v Speaker 3>Interesting?
<v Speaker 2>Flashback to our Grimmins episode.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but you know, change it so it's a spaceship
<v Speaker 1>and that make that the second half of the story.
<v Speaker 1>So he does that, He's got it put together and
<v Speaker 1>he's like, okay, time to call hr Geiger. Yeah. And
<v Speaker 1>so Geiger is also you know I mentioned a fan
<v Speaker 1>of love Craft. He's done this, done this artwork related
<v Speaker 1>to Necronomicon, and he's also inspired by ancient Egypt. The
<v Speaker 1>original place where the eggs were found was supposed to
<v Speaker 1>be a pyramid. Okay this do you see this? No? Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So it's supposed to be a pyramid, and on top
<v Speaker 1>of the pyramid is the Egyptian goddess of the night sky.
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what her name is? No? Newt what? Yes?
<v Speaker 1>Get out right? So they go forward with this script.
<v Speaker 1>They've got the original title. They change it from memory
<v Speaker 1>because they took that part out. Change it to Starbeast.
<v Speaker 1>They brought it to Roger Corman, who said it would
<v Speaker 1>be better on a big budget. Shop it around and
<v Speaker 1>try to find a big budget for it. And if
<v Speaker 1>you can't find that, then I'll make it right. This
<v Speaker 1>is interesting because it is very similar to a Roger
<v Speaker 1>Corman movie. From like nineteen sixty six called Queen of Blood.
<v Speaker 2>Queen of Blood looks like a bad Star Trek episode
<v Speaker 2>where there's a alien, a woman alien, who lays her
<v Speaker 2>eggs to kill humanity. Yes, and like the climactic scene
<v Speaker 2>at the end is this guy is like, oh, check
<v Speaker 2>it out. I've got a trade full of jello shots
<v Speaker 2>that are her eggs.
<v Speaker 1>Right. So Dan is very famous for this quote. He said,
<v Speaker 1>I didn't steal from anybody. I stole from everything.
<v Speaker 2>Huh.
<v Speaker 1>So here here's some works of fiction that are kind
<v Speaker 1>of the inspiration points. Okay, You've got Seeds of Jupiter,
<v Speaker 1>which is a comic where these seeds land on an
<v Speaker 1>aircraft carrier and this guy who's known for putting peach
<v Speaker 1>pits in his mouth, they call him peach Pit. They
<v Speaker 1>convince him to put one of these seeds from Jubeirase
<v Speaker 1>in his mouth, and then of course he gets sick.
<v Speaker 1>They cut him open. A giant alien pops out and
<v Speaker 1>then falls into the sea, and they're like, oh, well,
<v Speaker 1>we'll never see that again, right of course you won't. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Then there's Death Rattle. This is a space rape taken
<v Speaker 1>over by alien. Lovecraft himself had this thing called Mountains
<v Speaker 1>of Madness where there are fossils of aliens that come
<v Speaker 1>to life in Antarctica. There's a crew that goes down
<v Speaker 1>to Antarctica and they're looking and they find these ancient
<v Speaker 1>aliens they end up bringing back to life. They're indestructible.
<v Speaker 1>And I noticed when I watched Alien when they're communicating,
<v Speaker 1>when they're trying to communicate with the Moon, they refer
<v Speaker 1>to it as Antarctica. I was like, whoa, okay, whoa whoa?
<v Speaker 1>That comes straight from Lovecraft's Mountain of Madness. And then
<v Speaker 1>of course there's the movies. There was it, The Terror
<v Speaker 1>from Beyond Space, which really Scott actually says is one
<v Speaker 1>of the movies that inspired him to become a director.
<v Speaker 1>One man left after the crew is killed by aliens.
<v Speaker 1>They don't believe him, but then they end up the
<v Speaker 1>alien starts killing everybody else inside the vents and stuff
<v Speaker 1>that you got the Thing from Another World, which we
<v Speaker 1>know as the Thing, the original one, Yes, hatching alien
<v Speaker 1>eggs examined in the lab. You've got Planet of the
<v Speaker 1>Vampires where they find the giant alien corpse. We talked
<v Speaker 1>about Queen of Blood.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you got some older ones too, like Them
<v Speaker 2>and The Black Scorpion and The Deadly Mantis, this idea
<v Speaker 2>of being attacked by bugs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so all of those movies were kind of B
<v Speaker 1>movies right there. Sure they are horror sci fi movies,
<v Speaker 1>but they were never like mainstream. And this is it's interesting.
<v Speaker 1>This movie comes out in nineteen seventy nine, which is
<v Speaker 1>kind of the tail end of what was called the
<v Speaker 1>New Hollywood. Right So, in the late sixties, there was
<v Speaker 1>this big court case US versus Paramount where they basically said,
<v Speaker 1>all of these movie studios have a monopoly. We're not
<v Speaker 1>gonna let you own these movie theaters anymore and control
<v Speaker 1>all of the distribution production. And what resulted was New Hollywood,
<v Speaker 1>where the directors of the movies had a whole lot
<v Speaker 1>more say so about what happened in the movie, which
<v Speaker 1>is why you get these phenomenal directors from like nineteen
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight up to nineteen eighty five. That's when all
<v Speaker 1>of these incredible directors come to life.
<v Speaker 2>We're talking like Lucas, Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, Coppola.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's enough. Yeah, that's a pretty good batch right there. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so after Roger Corman says shop it around. They get
<v Speaker 1>it to this guy named Mark Hagar, who gets the
<v Speaker 1>script to Walter Hill. Walter Hill has just formed this
<v Speaker 1>production company with a couple of other guys called Brandywine. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>and he reads the script and hates it until he
<v Speaker 1>gets to page thirty okay, and then he's like, oh
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, we got to make this movie. So Walter
<v Speaker 1>Hill is going to direct, his production company is going
<v Speaker 1>to is going to produce the movie. And Dan is like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>but we've got to get Geiger over here to do
<v Speaker 1>the design of the movie because he's my guy, right,
<v Speaker 1>And so Dan sends him a letter, send Geiger a
<v Speaker 1>letter and says, we want you to come over. We
<v Speaker 1>want you to do the design on this and just
<v Speaker 1>let us know what it's going to cost, and we
<v Speaker 1>will send you a thousand dollars check as a retainer
<v Speaker 1>to come on over. And the guys at Brandywine said,
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to pay this guy one thousand dollars.
<v Speaker 1>So Dan's like, then I'll write him and check myself.
<v Speaker 1>The guy who's living on couches says, I will write
<v Speaker 1>the thousand dollars myself. That's how important it is to me.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the alien for just a second. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that alien is so creepy. It's it's got the metallic teeth,
<v Speaker 2>it's got the double jaw, it's got that nasty slime
<v Speaker 2>coming out of its mouth. It's black and slick and
<v Speaker 2>looks like a roach. But it's seven feet tall and
<v Speaker 2>he's got tails. But they do a great job of
<v Speaker 2>hiding it during the course of the movie, which we'll
<v Speaker 2>talk about here in a minute.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the first thing that Geiger draws form is
<v Speaker 1>not the big alien, but the face hugger. Okay, just
<v Speaker 1>imagine the face hugger is kind of like a crab slash,
<v Speaker 1>a crab with fingers yeah, and a tail. Yes, a
<v Speaker 1>deadly tale. Right. And when the guys from brandy Wine
<v Speaker 1>and Fox see the paintings that Geiger has done, they
<v Speaker 1>fire him and send him back home. Then the guys
<v Speaker 1>from Fox get a call from Walter Hill who says,
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I've decided, I'm not going to direct
<v Speaker 1>this movie. I'll see you guys later. You can figure
<v Speaker 1>out who you want to direct it, but it's not
<v Speaker 1>going to be me. And they're like, oh crap, what
<v Speaker 1>are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm going to go
<v Speaker 1>direct this movie called Southern Comfort. Right, not a bad movie,
<v Speaker 1>but it's not alien.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've seen Southern covert.
<v Speaker 1>So they are looking for a director, they're looking for actors.
<v Speaker 1>They talked to Tom Scarett, and Tom Scarett turns it down.
<v Speaker 1>He says, I get this script and they're like, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at him, like, how much is the budget?
<v Speaker 1>It's two million dollars. Oh, sounds like an Edwood movie.
<v Speaker 1>Good luck at that I'm not in. So fortunately, at
<v Speaker 1>this time, Ridley Scott has just finished up his first movie.
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, The Duellists is Ridley Scott's first movie. We
<v Speaker 2>talked about in our Highlander episode. It's got Harvey Kitel
<v Speaker 2>and David Carrodine and these guys are fighting each other
<v Speaker 2>across time.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, the inspiration book about Highlander, except that it's
<v Speaker 1>over thousands of years instead of over fifteen years. So anyway,
<v Speaker 1>Ridley Scott had started off as a trainee set designer
<v Speaker 1>for BBC. He was supposed to design the Dalaks for
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Who, which was a big, huge deal, but because
<v Speaker 1>of scheduling conflict, he ended up getting replaced by Raymond
<v Speaker 1>Cusick and ultimately decides to form his own production company
<v Speaker 1>called Ridley Scott Associates RSA. So what RSA does instead
<v Speaker 1>of making movies is they make commercials, and they end
<v Speaker 1>up making some really successful commercials. They make a Hovis
<v Speaker 1>bread commercial that's still regarded as one of the best
<v Speaker 1>commercials of all time, and they help revitalize Chanelle Number
<v Speaker 1>five with their commercials. So they're doing okay, they're doing
<v Speaker 1>all right. You know, they've got a steady income, but
<v Speaker 1>they're looking for scripts, they're looking for something new, and
<v Speaker 1>then he sees this movie that you might have heard
<v Speaker 1>of called Star Wars.
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars changed the whole landscape from this seventies science
<v Speaker 2>fiction was kind of not really known as a moneymaker.
<v Speaker 2>People were not interested in doing it, and if it was,
<v Speaker 2>it was dystopian I.
<v Speaker 3>Think Logan's run right.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't fun fantasy, shoot him up moneymakers.
<v Speaker 1>So the du List came out the same year as
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars. Scott had intended to do Tristan and Islay.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how he pronounced that name, some romantic
<v Speaker 1>old like Romeo and Juliet kind of deal until he
<v Speaker 1>saw Star Wars and he realized the potential for big
<v Speaker 1>special effects films.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as I understand it. When Really Scott saw Star Wars,
<v Speaker 2>he said, who the f is?
<v Speaker 3>George Lucas. Here's what I read.
<v Speaker 2>I read that Really Scott was actually the fifth choice
<v Speaker 2>to direct Alien, So you talked about Walter Hill.
<v Speaker 3>They also wanted a guy named Robert Aldrich.
<v Speaker 2>He did The Longest Yard, YEP and The Dirty Dozen,
<v Speaker 2>and when he turned it down, they went to Peter Yeats,
<v Speaker 2>he did The Deep and the movie Kroll, the nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty Fantasy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeahl Then they.
<v Speaker 2>Talked to a guy Jack Clayton, he did the original
<v Speaker 2>Mulan Rouge and Moby Dick.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then they landed on this young guy named Ridley Scott.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Ridley Scott has a guy who produces his movies.
<v Speaker 1>They work together all the time, and his name's Ivor Powell.
<v Speaker 1>And Iver says, I'm normally the sci fi guy back then, right,
<v Speaker 1>like I would read it. He wasn't interested in that stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and until he saw Star Wars. And then we get
<v Speaker 1>this script that comes in called Starbeast and he's like, here,
<v Speaker 1>let me read that. I'm like, you're gonna read it first, see, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>let me let me read it first. So he goes
<v Speaker 1>off into like their commercial filming room, and in about
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes later, Iver Powell, here's Ridley Scott go.
<v Speaker 4>Fuck me.
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm going to read for you. What what
<v Speaker 1>caused that? Suddenly, unexpectedly, Broussard grimaces and groans Standard, what's wrong, Brussard?
<v Speaker 1>His voice is straining. I don't know, I'm I'm getting
<v Speaker 1>these cramps. The other stare at him in alarm. Another
<v Speaker 1>groan is from his lips. He clutches the edge of
<v Speaker 1>the table with his hands, his knuckles whitening. Standard breathe deeply.
<v Speaker 1>Broussards screaming, Oh God, it urts so bad. Robbie, what
<v Speaker 1>del what? Brussard's face is screwed up in a mask
<v Speaker 1>of agony, and he is trembling violently from head to foot.
<v Speaker 1>Broussard incoherent street Oh. A red smear of blood blossoms
<v Speaker 1>on the chest of Broussard's tunic. Their eyes are all
<v Speaker 1>riveted to Brussard's chest as the fabric of his tunic
<v Speaker 1>is ripped open, and a horrible, nasty little head the
<v Speaker 1>size of a man's fist pushes out. Everybody screams and
<v Speaker 1>leaps back from the table. A cat spits and bolts.
<v Speaker 1>The disgusting little head lunges comes spurting out of Brussard's chest,
<v Speaker 1>trailing a thick worm like tail, splattering fluids and blood,
<v Speaker 1>lands in the middle of the dishes and food on
<v Speaker 1>the table and scurries away while the men are stamping
<v Speaker 1>for safe ground. Finally, when they regain control of themselves,
<v Speaker 1>it has escaped. Broussard lies slumped in his chair, a
<v Speaker 1>huge hole in his chest, spouting blood. The dishes are
<v Speaker 1>scattered and the food is covered with blood and slime.
<v Speaker 3>Day f me.
<v Speaker 1>So that's the chest burster scene. That's the money shot,
<v Speaker 1>if you.
<v Speaker 3>Will, Yeah, it is.
<v Speaker 1>It is so really Scott is in love and he
<v Speaker 1>storyboards the entire movie. Okay, he's got like it's not
<v Speaker 1>a photographic memory, it's it called something else al it's
<v Speaker 1>called an idectic memory, where basically he can see a
<v Speaker 1>picture and remember all of the details of a picture.
<v Speaker 1>So he's also a really incredible artist. So he storyboards
<v Speaker 1>this entire movie and sends it back to Fox and
<v Speaker 1>they say two million, how about ten? Yeah. They send
<v Speaker 1>it to Tom Scarett and he says ten million, and
<v Speaker 1>Ridley Scott I'm in. So Ridley and Dan immediately hit
<v Speaker 1>it off. But Ridley bill doesn't know what the alien
<v Speaker 1>is going to look like, and it's ultimately Dan O'Bannon
<v Speaker 1>who brings him the picture that hr Geiger has done
<v Speaker 1>from the Necronomicon, and as soon as Ridley Scott sees it,
<v Speaker 1>he says, that's it, that's what we're doing. I've never
<v Speaker 1>been so sure of anything in my life. And then
<v Speaker 1>the guys at Fox, when they hear that he's trying
<v Speaker 1>to bring Geiger back, is like, hey, maybe we can
<v Speaker 1>kind of throw some ideas around and talk about it,
<v Speaker 1>and Ridley Scott says, no, this is what's going to happen.
<v Speaker 1>This is going to be hard enough to film as
<v Speaker 1>it is, and we don't have time for your bs.
<v Speaker 1>This is what we're going to do. And the guys
<v Speaker 1>a Fox say yes.
<v Speaker 2>Sir, And that was a huge decision because the like
<v Speaker 2>we talked about, the alien is so fantastic in this movie.
<v Speaker 1>So Ridley Scott is on, Geiger is back, Dan O'Bannon
<v Speaker 1>is there and they're all working together and they start filming.
<v Speaker 1>You ready to talk about aliens.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Aliens, okay, which is gonna be a
<v Speaker 2>little tricky because being a direct sequel, we're leaning on
<v Speaker 2>the success of the first movie. So there's some things
<v Speaker 2>that we need to talk about from now.
<v Speaker 1>We'll call it a flash forward flash forward okay, flash forward.
<v Speaker 1>Alien is a monumental success.
<v Speaker 2>Alien does so good that they try to put a
<v Speaker 2>sequel into place right.
<v Speaker 1>Off the back.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, However, our main man, Alan Ladd Junior at Fox Studios.
<v Speaker 2>This is the same guy who went with George Lucas
<v Speaker 2>on Star Wars. Right, so he had Star Wars as
<v Speaker 2>a massive hit, he had Alien as a massive hit.
<v Speaker 2>He leaves and the guy who came in and replaced
<v Speaker 2>him that wasn't really interested in doing a sequel.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it is Norman Levy and he was like, no,
<v Speaker 1>it's going to cost too much and sequels don't really
<v Speaker 1>make any money. Did you see em Virus Strikes Back?
<v Speaker 1>Did you see Return of the Jedi? What are you
<v Speaker 1>talking about?
<v Speaker 3>Bro, guy's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we have to wait long enough for him
<v Speaker 2>to clear out.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So they end up hitting David Geiler, who's one
<v Speaker 1>of the members of the brandy Wine Productions. They see
<v Speaker 1>him in the parking lot and they're like, hey, do
<v Speaker 1>you want to make Alien two? And he's like, yes,
<v Speaker 1>we've been trying to do that for a while now.
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, okay, what's your storyline? And he's like oh,
<v Speaker 1>and so he makes this is what he does. He
<v Speaker 1>combined the ideas of Alien and Southern Comfort, and that's
<v Speaker 1>the thing he pitches. Yeah, so it is it is
<v Speaker 1>Aliens with soldiers, right, that's still the Southern Comfort is
<v Speaker 1>a soldier movie, and then we have Alien and so
<v Speaker 1>really he was right, that is what it becomes. But
<v Speaker 1>it was just off the cuff. I'll throw two movies
<v Speaker 1>together that.
<v Speaker 3>I know, and soldiers and Aliens.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so twentieth century Fox says that sounds good.
<v Speaker 1>Let's make it happen.
<v Speaker 3>Let's backtrack just a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, there's this truck driver from Canada who comes
<v Speaker 2>into play here pretty well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, his name is James Cameron. Yeah, he had not
<v Speaker 1>done particularly well in school. He ended up dropping out
<v Speaker 1>of college becoming a truck driver. And then also he
<v Speaker 1>happened to see a movie. I guess there may be
<v Speaker 1>a few folks that saw this movie called Star Wars.
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars and he said, I want to go make movies. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>And so he goes and starts working for our friend
<v Speaker 1>Roger Corman.
<v Speaker 2>He gets a job as a production assistant for Roger Corman.
<v Speaker 2>James Cameron starts to take over. As you know, he's
<v Speaker 2>a super talented guy and one of the things that
<v Speaker 2>he does is figure out ways to save money on
<v Speaker 2>this Roger Corman project that he's working on called Galaxy of.
<v Speaker 1>Terror right, which was a ripoff of Alien of Alien. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>and you, my friend, you Bit the bullet again.
<v Speaker 3>I watched this movie. It's available on two b TV for.
<v Speaker 2>Free, for free, for free, and I could barely It's
<v Speaker 2>in killiherent and really weird. Joni Cunningham Aaron Moran from
<v Speaker 2>Happy Days is kind of the main one.
<v Speaker 3>Jony, Joni and Chachi.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>But on that set, Jim Cameron is in charge of
<v Speaker 2>building sets. He meets a young guy who says, hey,
<v Speaker 2>I'm here, I'm supposed to be working for He's like,
<v Speaker 2>what's your name, Bill Paxton? Bill, grab a paintbrush. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>I haven't even been hired yet.
<v Speaker 3>Go pay that wall.
<v Speaker 2>So that's when James Cameron meets Bill Paxton, right.
<v Speaker 1>And so he had done some other work, some other
<v Speaker 1>work with Roger Corman, including a sequel to a movie
<v Speaker 1>that we talked about when we were talking about Grimlins.
<v Speaker 1>You remember that Joe Dante had directed a Jaws knockoff
<v Speaker 1>called Piranha. Yes, James Cameron was actually involved with the
<v Speaker 1>sequel to Debt.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so here's what happened with that.
<v Speaker 2>He got that job because there's a scene in Galaxy
<v Speaker 2>of Terror where a guy gets, for some unknown reason,
<v Speaker 2>this piece of crystal crawls up his arm and he's
<v Speaker 2>got to cut his own arm off, right, So the
<v Speaker 2>dude lops off his arm and on the ground and
<v Speaker 2>then it becomes consumed with these worms. Okay. They would
<v Speaker 2>put these mealworms on the arm and they wanted them
<v Speaker 2>to wiggle.
<v Speaker 3>They wouldn't wiggle.
<v Speaker 2>So James Cameron's like, well, I think if you just
<v Speaker 2>plug in this wire to this end and you run
<v Speaker 2>electricity through that prop and they're like, oh well, let's
<v Speaker 2>give it a try. And sure enough, the mill worms
<v Speaker 2>are like they come alive. They start wiggling, and there's
<v Speaker 2>guys on the set that day.
<v Speaker 1>Do meal worms fall within the peda like Pretec.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna zap some meal worms.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So, but there are some guys there that were Italian
<v Speaker 2>filmmakers who are looking for somebody to come work on
<v Speaker 2>Pirana too, and they're like, that dude right there, the
<v Speaker 2>guy who figured out how to do that, that's the
<v Speaker 2>guy we want. All right, everybody, I just want to
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<v Speaker 2>So James Cameron goes to Jamaica to make this movie
<v Speaker 2>called Parana.
<v Speaker 3>Tu have you ever seen?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 3>It's terrible?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's terrible. My gosh, I've seen it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's terrible.
<v Speaker 2>The Italian filmmaker wanted credibility, so they had to have
<v Speaker 2>an American director.
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was known for bringing on American directors so
<v Speaker 2>that they get financing, then firing them, and then directing
<v Speaker 2>it themselves. And so they fired Jim James Cameron during
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the production. Oh man, But because James
<v Speaker 2>Cameron had no money, they even said, well, we know
<v Speaker 2>we fired you, but.
<v Speaker 3>Can you make the poster for the movie.
<v Speaker 2>And he's an incredible artist, right, he is an incredible artist,
<v Speaker 2>So he makes the poster, He draws the poster for
<v Speaker 2>So he.
<v Speaker 1>Had worked on a few movies other than Pirana Tuo.
<v Speaker 1>He he'd worked on on Exogenesis, He'd worked on Rock
<v Speaker 1>and Roll High School. He actually worked as a special
<v Speaker 1>effects guy for John Carpenter's Escape from New York.
<v Speaker 3>Did he okay?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So while he's going through this horrible experience on
<v Speaker 1>Pirana two, he's having nightmares. He's having nightmares about a
<v Speaker 1>hit man who is coming to try to kill him,
<v Speaker 1>and he can escape from the hit man, and the
<v Speaker 1>hit man is from the future.
<v Speaker 2>This robot hit Man, which he later writes into a
<v Speaker 2>screenplay called The Terminator, which we're going to talk about
<v Speaker 2>here in a couple of weeks.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, So Terminator, Terminator two coming up in a couple
<v Speaker 1>of weeks. They are all married together, these four films.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be hard to unpack all this that.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna put them all together. So he develops this
<v Speaker 1>script idea. He gives it to this girl that he
<v Speaker 1>knew from working with Roger Corman. Her name is Gail
<v Speaker 1>Ann Hurd, and she's like, I think I can get
<v Speaker 1>this made into a movie. So we won't go into
<v Speaker 1>the history of Terminator too much because we've got that
<v Speaker 1>one coming up. But safe to say, they get it
<v Speaker 1>green lit. They get Arnold Schwarzenegger as their star player
<v Speaker 1>in this movie. But then Dino de la Reentes sticks
<v Speaker 1>his nose in and says, I have preemptive rights, and
<v Speaker 1>Conan the Barbarian is successful, and we are going to
<v Speaker 1>make ConA and the Destroyer, and so you can't have
<v Speaker 1>him yet, right, and so they're stuck. They've got to
<v Speaker 1>wait for like nine months, and so he doesn't have
<v Speaker 1>enough time to make a movie. But he's had these
<v Speaker 1>guys from brandy Wine Productions hit him up about writing
<v Speaker 1>a script, and that's how he ends up writing the
<v Speaker 1>script for the movie Aliens.
<v Speaker 2>Remember Dino de Larentis flashback to our Flash Gordon episode. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Flash Flash, that's right. But imagine being a first time
<v Speaker 2>director and you land Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, and then some
<v Speaker 2>big name bozo from Flash Gordon decides that Nope, I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna flex my muscles and he's gonna make my movie.
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to wait. Yeah, So that opens up
<v Speaker 3>a pocket.
<v Speaker 2>Of time where he can't really make a movie, but
<v Speaker 2>he can take on a writing project. And that's when
<v Speaker 2>Fox comes to James Cameron and said, you know what,
<v Speaker 2>we really like what we read in your script about
<v Speaker 2>the Terminator. Why don't you give a stab at at Aliens?
<v Speaker 2>They also say why don't you give a stab at
<v Speaker 2>Rambo Part two, which he does as well. So he
<v Speaker 2>writes Aliens, but he.
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't finish it.
<v Speaker 2>He writes the first ninety pages. The president of twenty
<v Speaker 2>Century Fox, his.
<v Speaker 3>Name is Lawrence Gordon.
<v Speaker 2>He reads the first ninety pages and he's like, this
<v Speaker 2>is amazing.
<v Speaker 1>We will wait for a movie.
<v Speaker 3>Studio to do that. That's really unheard us, right, And
<v Speaker 3>this is his quote. I thought this is great.
<v Speaker 2>He said, in this business there are those decisions that
<v Speaker 2>you agonize and you lose sleepover. But this was so obvious.
<v Speaker 2>This was a no brainer. Everything about him spelled right.
<v Speaker 3>Guy nice.
<v Speaker 1>So here's what has confused me until just today, actually
<v Speaker 1>is when I discovered the answer to this is why
<v Speaker 1>didn't they have Ridley Scott come back and direct? Why
<v Speaker 1>didn't they Well the answer is, we don't know. They
<v Speaker 1>just didn't ask him. I mean, that's it. That's flat
<v Speaker 1>out it. I mean it's you know, like the movie
<v Speaker 1>came out in eighty six, so they're they're going through
<v Speaker 1>this process in eighty five. That's six years later. He's
<v Speaker 1>moved on. He's not a big fan. This is his quote, right,
<v Speaker 1>this is Ridley Scott. Here he says, interestingly enough, I
<v Speaker 1>was never asked to do the sequel. Maybe because I
<v Speaker 1>was such a tough guy when I was doing it,
<v Speaker 1>they didn't want me back. But I was also in
<v Speaker 1>the habit of not wanting to do a sequel either,
<v Speaker 1>so I would have never done it. Well, that's what
<v Speaker 1>he said in twenty nineteen. Before that, he had put
<v Speaker 1>it a little more simply, I was really pissed off,
<v Speaker 1>frankly that they didn't ask me. I understand that they
<v Speaker 1>just didn't ask, and who knows what their motives were.
<v Speaker 1>And I can see if Fridley was the guy who's like,
<v Speaker 1>screw you, we're not going to go talk about ideas
<v Speaker 1>for production. We're bringing an hr Geiger and that's the
<v Speaker 1>end of the story and we're going to go start
<v Speaker 1>filming now. He is that tough guy. He's guy who
<v Speaker 1>got Gladiator green lit with thirty pages and scripts. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to work with that guy anymore. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to work with the new guy who they
<v Speaker 1>thought they could push around a little bit. But they're
<v Speaker 1>probably wrong about James Cameron in that respect.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, James Cameron is no pushover himself. Here's the thing
<v Speaker 2>with James Cameron. Most people don't understand. He's so talented
<v Speaker 2>that he knows your job. He can do your job
<v Speaker 2>better than you. I mean, he's an incredible artist. He's
<v Speaker 2>an incredible filmmaker. He writes screenplays, and he worked as
<v Speaker 2>like the behind the scenes guy in every job position.
<v Speaker 1>He's painted Waltz.
<v Speaker 3>He painted a.
<v Speaker 2>Big mac styrofoam McDonald's burger holder on the wall to
<v Speaker 2>save money. So this guy has done everything and you Jackweed,
<v Speaker 2>who are screwing around over there. I could do your
<v Speaker 2>job better than you. Move over right, here's the deal.
<v Speaker 2>So the Alien people decide to wait twenty sent Trick
<v Speaker 2>Fox says, we love what you're doing, Terminator, we love
<v Speaker 2>the script for Aliens. We're gonna wait, and James Cameron says, well,
<v Speaker 2>that's great. When I get done with Terminator, can I
<v Speaker 2>direct Aliens? And they're like, well, why don't we just
<v Speaker 2>see how Terminator goes first?
<v Speaker 1>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Well, Terminator's this fantastic movie. It's a huge success. It
<v Speaker 2>was made on the cheap. Yeah, And so they came
<v Speaker 2>back and they're like, hey, remember you guys said we
<v Speaker 2>could do this right.
<v Speaker 1>But when they say that, everybody else, all James Cameron's
<v Speaker 1>friends are like, don't do this right, and he's like
<v Speaker 1>what He's like, I was a fanboy, like I loved
<v Speaker 1>the movie Alien and love Ridley Scott's take on it,
<v Speaker 1>and I was excited to do it. But people were like,
<v Speaker 1>if you do this, everything that's good about the movie
<v Speaker 1>people are going to attribute to Ridley Scott and everything
<v Speaker 1>that's bad about the movie they're going to attribute to you,
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I don't care. It's going to be
<v Speaker 1>really cool, so I really want to do it. I
<v Speaker 1>mean this like me, if I was making a movie,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't care.
<v Speaker 3>I want.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you were offered the opportunity to direct
<v Speaker 1>the sequel to one of the movies that you hold
<v Speaker 1>deer in your heart, nobody's going to talk you out
<v Speaker 1>of it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Alien turns out to be one of
<v Speaker 2>the greatest horror movies of all time, right, and James
<v Speaker 2>Cameron is known as one of the best action directors
<v Speaker 2>of all time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's what he that's what he does is
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I don't think I can out horror Ridley
<v Speaker 1>Scott's Alien. I can't do it. It's too it's too
<v Speaker 1>well paced. And I mean this, I'll talk about this
<v Speaker 1>more when we get into production on Alien. But it
<v Speaker 1>is slow, slow, punch in your face, slow, slow scream
<v Speaker 1>in your face, and it's it's the perfect horror combo.
<v Speaker 1>It lulls you into this kind of relaxed state and
<v Speaker 1>then it scares the crap out of you. And James
<v Speaker 1>Cameron said, I'm not going to try to outdo that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make a sequel to it. I
<v Speaker 1>want to make part two of the story. Right. And
<v Speaker 1>the only instruction he was given by those guys when
<v Speaker 1>they said go write the script was Alien plus Soldiers.
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, action, I got I can do action. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I can. I know how to do action. So we're
<v Speaker 1>not going to make a horror movie. We're going to
<v Speaker 1>make it action movie. And that's exactly what Aliens is.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, we ready tak cast.
<v Speaker 1>Let'stock cast.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, will let's.
<v Speaker 2>Foot back to Alien the original Alien and talk cast.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we've already talked about Tom Scarrett, right. He
<v Speaker 1>played the part of Dallas, one of the first guys
<v Speaker 1>that got cast. He had spent four years with the
<v Speaker 1>US Air Force after finishing at UCLA.
<v Speaker 2>His call sign was viper I believe.
<v Speaker 1>Very good. I know you get that reference. Thank you.
<v Speaker 1>He had done. It's interesting these guys have all done
<v Speaker 1>like these old you know, nicked night style shows. He
<v Speaker 1>was on My Favorite Martian at some point. Whoa. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he was in mash he was in Harold and Maud.
<v Speaker 1>He played Strawberry in the movie Up and Smoke and
<v Speaker 1>so he gets the part of Dallas.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know who he got it over. No, they
<v Speaker 2>offered it to Harrison Ford.
<v Speaker 1>Get the heck out Harrison Ford. In nineteen seventy nine.
<v Speaker 2>This is right after Star Wars had come out right
<v Speaker 2>and he had done just a few things. He basically
<v Speaker 2>was known as Han Solo.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, you know who else? They asked Tommy Lee Jones.
<v Speaker 1>Ooh yeah, I could see that too.
<v Speaker 3>When they went to Tommy Lee.
<v Speaker 2>Jones, they said, hey, we want you to read the script.
<v Speaker 2>We think he'd be good for this guy named Dallas.
<v Speaker 2>He reads the script, He's like, I'll tell you what
<v Speaker 2>I do. Like one of the parts. I won't to
<v Speaker 2>be the alien. They're like, man, nope, and he's like,
<v Speaker 2>well then I'm out.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, okay, We've got a Sir John Hurt playing
<v Speaker 1>the part of Cain, the guy whose chest burst open.
<v Speaker 1>He had done He had done a lot of Shakespeare stuff.
<v Speaker 1>He had done a Man for All Seasons. He had
<v Speaker 1>played Caligula and i Claudius. He was the voice in
<v Speaker 1>the animated Lord of the Rings of Aragon Strider.
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He played He also voiced Hazel and watershiped down the
<v Speaker 1>Old Scary Rabbit cartoon. Yes, and of course he reprised
<v Speaker 1>this role later on Spaceballs. Oh no, not again.
<v Speaker 2>Hello my honey, Hello, my baby. Hey, he got this
<v Speaker 2>job over the weekend.
<v Speaker 3>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So the original guy that they hired I believe his
<v Speaker 2>name is John Finch. Okay, so they had hired a
<v Speaker 2>guy to play his part. That guy got sick, started
<v Speaker 2>having cramps. Just no, but he had gotten sick and so.
<v Speaker 1>He had to be.
<v Speaker 2>So they called him on a Friday and said we
<v Speaker 2>need you on set Monday morning. Okay, note that because
<v Speaker 2>that takes place in Aliens as well. Okay, So John
<v Speaker 2>Hurt comes aboard and is hired over the weekend.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Then they have Sir Ian Holme playing part of
<v Speaker 1>Ash probably interesting who was in the other Lord of
<v Speaker 1>the Rings as spread up. He had also he was
<v Speaker 1>a Shakespeare guy. He had also been in the British Army.
<v Speaker 1>He was a lance corporal there. But Alien was his
<v Speaker 1>first major film role. But I mean, we've seen him
<v Speaker 1>in a ton of stuff, right. Yeah. He goes on
<v Speaker 1>to do Brazil, and he was Polonius in Hamlet, and
<v Speaker 1>then of course he is Bilbo Baggins in the Lord
<v Speaker 1>of the Rings trilogy and a little bit in The Hobbit.
<v Speaker 2>He also reprises his role as Ash in the video
<v Speaker 2>game Alien Isolation.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I noticed that almost all of these actors come
<v Speaker 1>back in for the video game. Next in line, we
<v Speaker 1>have a yff at Koto. This is a commercial ship,
<v Speaker 1>not a domestion ship. Right, it's not in my contract
<v Speaker 1>to do this kind of duty. Who's Llames Parker? But really, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he took his dad's name. He just died last March.
<v Speaker 1>Just kind of tragic. But do you know what movie
<v Speaker 1>he was the bad guy in? Liv Die?
<v Speaker 3>He was the bad guy and Live and Let Die.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a pretty awesome part. And he's done.
<v Speaker 1>He's done quite a bit of other stuff. Was in
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii five. Oh, and he was considered for the part
<v Speaker 1>of John Luke Icard when they did Star trek New
<v Speaker 1>Really Next Generation, Yeah, I lost out to Sir Patrick Stewart. Interesting,
<v Speaker 1>all right, and then we've got one of my favorite guys.
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a quote I think it was I think
<v Speaker 1>it was by Roger Eberth that says, if Harry Dean
<v Speaker 1>Stanton has a part in a movie, it's probably a
<v Speaker 1>good movie. And it's pretty solid. Harry Dean Stanton played
<v Speaker 1>the part of Brett back to the Old Friezeros. He
<v Speaker 1>also served in the Navy in real life, and he
<v Speaker 1>was in World War Two. Actually was a cook during
<v Speaker 1>the Battle of Okinawa. He was in Cool Hand Luke.
<v Speaker 1>He was in Godfather Part two, and as far as
<v Speaker 1>those nickod Knight shows goes, he was in Have Gun,
<v Speaker 1>We'll Travel. He was Jack Nicholson's best man in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>sixty two. Wow, how about that?
<v Speaker 2>For that?
<v Speaker 1>It is cool deep cuts.
<v Speaker 2>So here's what he said when he met Ridley Scott
<v Speaker 2>for the first time. Okay, so they asked him to
<v Speaker 2>come read for this part. Movie is called Alien or
<v Speaker 2>star Beast. I'm not sure what it was called at
<v Speaker 2>the time. Right, this is what he said when he
<v Speaker 2>walks in. Not hey, how are you not good to
<v Speaker 2>meet you? He says, I don't like science fiction or
<v Speaker 2>monster movies.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, well, that's okay because you're kind of playing
<v Speaker 3>a trucker.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the space Trucker movie. And then who
<v Speaker 1>is cast and the part of Ellen Ripley but Veronica
<v Speaker 1>Cartwright that's right, right, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's money right towards you.
<v Speaker 1>That Yeah, it was a total shock. So Veronica Cartwright
<v Speaker 1>was not originally cast as Lambert. She was cast as Ripley.
<v Speaker 1>And it was literally right before they started making this
<v Speaker 1>movie that suddenly she got her parts changed.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she didn't even know until she showed up for
<v Speaker 2>like the first day.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ridley Scott switched the roles. But she ended up
<v Speaker 1>getting the Best Supporting Actress Award Saturn Award on this movie,
<v Speaker 1>so that it's not a bad switch. She had been
<v Speaker 1>on Leave It to Beaver when she was a little girl. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>she was in the Birds, which is pretty impressive Alfred Hitchcock, right,
<v Speaker 1>And she had started to become famous again in her
<v Speaker 1>adult years, as in an Invasion of the Body Snitchers,
<v Speaker 1>which she did right before this movie. Interesting, So the
<v Speaker 1>person that ultimately gets cast as Ripley is this young
<v Speaker 1>actress named Sigourney Weaver.
<v Speaker 2>Listen to me, if we break quarantine, we get old
<v Speaker 2>USh y'all be the damn hatch. We have to get
<v Speaker 2>him inside. I belave you.
<v Speaker 1>The answer is negative. Yes, her name is Susan.
<v Speaker 3>Her real name is Susan.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, my son, my sixteen year old is When we
<v Speaker 1>were talking about that movie, he was like, her name
<v Speaker 1>is Sigourney. Really, like, some parents saw a little cute
<v Speaker 1>little baby and they went, oh, let's name it Sigourney.
<v Speaker 3>He's got a point.
<v Speaker 1>No, that's not what happened. They named her Susan. But
<v Speaker 1>she decided, you know what, I don't like the name Susan.
<v Speaker 1>I like the name Sigourney. It up from Great Gatsby.
<v Speaker 3>I think the Great Gatsby. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, here's the interesting thing about that. Yeah, not only
<v Speaker 2>does she beat out Veronica Cartwright for that part, she
<v Speaker 2>beat out Meryl Street.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.
<v Speaker 2>And Meryl Streep and Sigourney Weaver went to college together.
<v Speaker 2>They both went to Yale. They were both in the
<v Speaker 2>old drama department. Yeah, and they both like Sigourney Weaver
<v Speaker 2>was the She was always kind of the other girl, right.
<v Speaker 2>Meryl Streep was like the prom queen and you know,
<v Speaker 2>the main person, and so she was always kind of,
<v Speaker 2>you know, second. But she beat Meryl Streep out for
<v Speaker 2>this part.
<v Speaker 1>Nice. So Sigourney Weaver hit five foot ten and a
<v Speaker 1>half inches when she was eleven years old. She could
<v Speaker 1>have played the alien. Yeah. Her dad is Pat Weaver,
<v Speaker 1>who was president of NBC from nineteen fifty three. To
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty five and created the Today Show. Her uncle
<v Speaker 1>Doodles Weaver.
<v Speaker 3>Doodles Weaver was.
<v Speaker 1>A comedian and a contributor to Mad magazine.
<v Speaker 3>Wow Yeah versus Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>She had had a small part in Annie Hall before
<v Speaker 1>she got cast in the movie Alien, but I'm so
<v Speaker 1>glad that she ended up getting switched out with Veronica carbon.
<v Speaker 2>All Right, we got one other person we got to
<v Speaker 2>talk about. Okay, not Jonesy, not the cat Jonesy. We're
<v Speaker 2>talking about the guy who played the alien.
<v Speaker 3>Dallas.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Bellagie, but day Yo, it's easy for you to say, well,
<v Speaker 2>here's the deal. Yeah, I don't know very much about him.
<v Speaker 2>I know he's from another country. He's from Nigeria, and
<v Speaker 2>he's seven foot one in the costume.
<v Speaker 1>In the costume, he was seven foot one. His real
<v Speaker 1>height was six', ten which is STILL i, mean once
<v Speaker 1>you get past like six, six who cares? Anymore?
<v Speaker 2>Right not sure why he wasn't playing professional, basketball but,
<v Speaker 2>yeah so he beat Out Peter. Mayhew oh, wow who
<v Speaker 2>you know better As.
<v Speaker 3>Chewbacca?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, yeah he was discovered in a, Bar like
<v Speaker 1>they found him just somebody was in a bar and they're,
<v Speaker 1>like holy, cow look at that. Guy he is six
<v Speaker 1>foot ten inches tall and probably weighs one hundred and fifty.
<v Speaker 1>Pounds he was so. THIN i think that's probably Why
<v Speaker 1>mayhew didn't get the, part is he was a little
<v Speaker 1>beef of your. Guy but they needed somebody who it
<v Speaker 1>looked absurd how long and slender the appendages, were and
<v Speaker 1>this was their. Guy he didn't do anything else after.
<v Speaker 1>This he was a graphic. Designer he was like studying graphic,
<v Speaker 1>design ended up becoming a graphic. Designer tragically died at
<v Speaker 1>thirty six years old from sickle cell An.
<v Speaker 3>India oh that's.
<v Speaker 1>Terrible, yeah, okay so we're ready to talk about casting
<v Speaker 1>for the Movie.
<v Speaker 2>Aliens let's talk casting On, aliens all.
<v Speaker 1>Right the first thing That i've got to say IS
<v Speaker 1>i WATCHED i Watched aliens again this, morning AND i
<v Speaker 1>looked at the opening, credits and it is a travesty
<v Speaker 1>That Jeanette goldstein is not in the opening credits with
<v Speaker 1>all of the other. Actors WHAT i, know, like she
<v Speaker 1>is one of the most compelling characters in the. Movie
<v Speaker 1>she's in the movie longer than almost everybody else except
<v Speaker 1>for our main like four. Folks she her name doesn't
<v Speaker 1>even show up at the beginning it's. Tragedy. WOW i
<v Speaker 1>loved she. Was she was eye magnet for. Me like
<v Speaker 1>every time she was on, SCREEN i was. Engaged and,
<v Speaker 1>yes she's, pretty but she just she had a toughness
<v Speaker 1>and a coolness about. Her and she played the part.
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic So Jeanette, goldssee you might as well talk about.
<v Speaker 2>Her she plays the part Of. Besquez, yes, Yo, besquez
<v Speaker 2>kick ass. Right have you ever been mistaken for a? Man?
<v Speaker 1>No have you?
<v Speaker 3>Right she plays super. Tough you only need to know
<v Speaker 3>one thing where they.
<v Speaker 1>Are.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah but WHEN i Watched Jeanette goldstein in her, interviews
<v Speaker 2>she's very, soft very, SWEET i mean soft, spoken.
<v Speaker 1>Nice even Clean american. Accent, yes she doesn't have a
<v Speaker 1>hint Of hispanic accent in.
<v Speaker 2>Her they tanned her, up they gave her brown contact,
<v Speaker 2>lenses they cut her hair, short, yep and gave.
<v Speaker 3>Her a bandana and told her to Act. Hispanic you,
<v Speaker 3>know she nailed it and to act freaking.
<v Speaker 1>Tough, yeah and SHE'S i mean the guns that those
<v Speaker 1>guys were carrying around they weighed like fifty. POUNDS i
<v Speaker 1>mean they picked her in part because she was pretty
<v Speaker 1>buff at the. Time that she actually she was. Buff
<v Speaker 1>there's this rumor going around that she auditioned for the
<v Speaker 1>part because she thought the Movie aliens was about illegal,
<v Speaker 1>aliens and that's how that line got in, there, right,
<v Speaker 1>right somebody said an.
<v Speaker 2>Alien she thought they said illegal aliens signed.
<v Speaker 1>Up BUT i think that's a. Mess.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she is the person who's, like, no that's not.
<v Speaker 3>True that was in the.
<v Speaker 1>Script.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she did, say, however that she came to the
<v Speaker 2>audition not fully, prepared and so she had lipstick and
<v Speaker 2>makeup and she looked pretty and dressed up, heels and
<v Speaker 2>everybody else had on fatigues and everything. Else, Right she's, like, whoops.
<v Speaker 3>So, Aliens.
<v Speaker 2>Yes Jim cameron's, like this is the story Of, Ripley,
<v Speaker 2>Right we've got to Have Sigourney weaver come, back going
<v Speaker 2>out there to destroy, them, right not to, study not
<v Speaker 2>to bring, back but to wipe them.
<v Speaker 1>Out that's the. Plan you have my word on, it.
<v Speaker 2>All, Right i'm, in, yes, Okay And Sigourney weaver, says you,
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i don't really like to do. Sequels but when
<v Speaker 2>she read, it she's, like this is. Fantastic, Yeah i'm.
<v Speaker 3>Game i'm.
<v Speaker 1>In, yeah it's. Interesting like she went to him and
<v Speaker 1>talked to him about his, script and she didn't have
<v Speaker 1>a problem with the stories, storyline but she was, LIKE
<v Speaker 1>i feel Like Ellen ripley would not say or do
<v Speaker 1>some of these. Things And James cameron went with, it
<v Speaker 1>like he was, like you know the character better THAN i, do,
<v Speaker 1>probably so, Yeah i'm willing to make those. Changes so
<v Speaker 1>he changed his script to fit with what she perceived
<v Speaker 1>as the character Of Ellen.
<v Speaker 2>Ripley he said that she was like unbending on certain
<v Speaker 2>words that she would say in certain. Sentences but on
<v Speaker 2>the other, hand she's, like you really nailed The ripley.
<v Speaker 2>Character so he's, like.
<v Speaker 3>Fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Yes so she wanted a million bucks to Do aliens
<v Speaker 2>And fox Said, nope not doing. It, Okay So James cameron's,
<v Speaker 2>like come.
<v Speaker 3>On, guys this is the story Of.
<v Speaker 2>Ripley we have to Have Sigourney. Weaver so he devises this.
<v Speaker 2>Plan so they come to him and they're, like, no
<v Speaker 2>you got to figure out a way around. This so
<v Speaker 2>he calls his new buddy's, Agent Arnold. Schwarzenegger he calls
<v Speaker 2>his agent and he's, like, LISTEN i don't Think fox
<v Speaker 2>is going to go for This Scorny weaver. Thing she's
<v Speaker 2>asking for you a million, bucks and So i'm just
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to totally write her out of the. Story,
<v Speaker 2>well her agent was at that, firm and they were,
<v Speaker 2>like he's, like wait a, minute wait a, minute let
<v Speaker 2>me let me make some. Calls he's, like, no, no, no, no
<v Speaker 2>it's already been it's already been. Decided i'm just going
<v Speaker 2>to ride her out and do something else because they won't,
<v Speaker 2>ben they won't pay. Up And Arnold swarzenegger's, boss, listen,
<v Speaker 2>man let me let me make some. Calls so by
<v Speaker 2>this time on Our Schwitz nager and his agent had
<v Speaker 2>a lot of. Clocks, yeah and so they were, like,
<v Speaker 2>listen they Call. Fox fox Calls sigourney, says we've rethought
<v Speaker 2>that you're worth. It she Calls jim and says thank.
<v Speaker 1>You.
<v Speaker 2>Wow so he he pressed.
<v Speaker 1>Them and got, it got, her wrestled a little, bit
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a. HUSTLE i like. IT i like.
<v Speaker 3>It they Hired Bill, paxton.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe have been keeping up on current.
<v Speaker 3>Events, well he just got arrasses kick.
<v Speaker 2>Pal he had Done Weird. Science he was a friend
<v Speaker 2>Of James cameron and they wanted him to do the
<v Speaker 2>part Of.
<v Speaker 1>Hudson he thought he tanked the audition. Too he thought
<v Speaker 1>he was, LIKE i was too over the. TOP i
<v Speaker 1>just KNEW i had messed it.
<v Speaker 3>Up he.
<v Speaker 2>Said they gave him a mailing tube and said this
<v Speaker 2>is your pulse.
<v Speaker 3>Rifle go, yeah, yeah a few, Men oh you want?
<v Speaker 1>Some you.
<v Speaker 2>Know he did that whole thing and then he. Left
<v Speaker 2>he's like that that.
<v Speaker 1>Sucked, yeah and then he got a.
<v Speaker 3>Call then he got a.
<v Speaker 2>Call they also Hired Paul, riser who is a, Comedian,
<v Speaker 2>yeah to play the. Villain maybe we could build a,
<v Speaker 2>fire sing a couple of.
<v Speaker 1>Songs. Huh. Yeah he's if you want a villain that
<v Speaker 1>you're surprised as the, villain he's great because he's got
<v Speaker 1>he's got a sweet. Demeanor he's got a sweet face
<v Speaker 1>that you, know he's he's never picks up a, gun, Right,
<v Speaker 1>yeah he's just this, easy go lucky kind of everything's
<v Speaker 1>going to be, Okay we're going to be all. Right
<v Speaker 1>he's that, guy except he's a, snake.
<v Speaker 2>Right he, said when he watched this on the, screen
<v Speaker 2>his mother was with. Him, yeah and at the end
<v Speaker 2>of it she.
<v Speaker 3>Smacked him in the.
<v Speaker 1>Head, ah that's.
<v Speaker 2>Hysterical they also Hired James, reemar who you may know
<v Speaker 2>from the movie forty Eight, Hours.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Which Walter hill was the director of forty Eight,
<v Speaker 1>hours one of Those brandywine.
<v Speaker 2>Guys, Right, yes, yes he plays the part Of.
<v Speaker 1>Hicks no he, doesn't well he.
<v Speaker 3>Does for one.
<v Speaker 2>Second he's actually on screen very very. Briefly, okay you
<v Speaker 2>can actually see. Him they ended up having to fire.
<v Speaker 2>Him rumor was that there was creative, differences but basically
<v Speaker 2>he had an alcoholic drug. Problem oh so they let him. Go,
<v Speaker 2>Okay but there is one scene in the movie where they're, like,
<v Speaker 2>hey That's James rumer right.
<v Speaker 3>There but his it's his.
<v Speaker 1>Back. Okay so the guy that actually Played. Hicks this
<v Speaker 1>is the story that we've referred to earlier where it's,
<v Speaker 1>like hey you got your?
<v Speaker 3>Passport, Yeah Michael bean allowed to keep this handy for close.
<v Speaker 1>Encounters.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he had starred In The terminator As reese, yep
<v Speaker 2>and he had a working relationship With Jim. Cameron they
<v Speaker 2>needed somebody right this. Second they called him. Up Gillen
<v Speaker 2>heard called him and said do you have your?
<v Speaker 3>Passport and he's like.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she's like, great be In London monday.
<v Speaker 3>Morning you got a park right?
<v Speaker 1>Now all these other actors had been training military style
<v Speaker 1>together for weeks and they had trained with this other,
<v Speaker 1>guy and Then bean shows up and he's, LIKE i
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to do.
<v Speaker 3>ANYTHING i Guess i'll just. Act.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah here's the here's the interesting one THAT i Think
<v Speaker 2>Al matthews.
<v Speaker 3>All, right, sweethearts you heard the, man and you know
<v Speaker 3>the drill assholes and elbowsts and come, here come.
<v Speaker 1>Here, yeah, yeah, yeah he plays Al.
<v Speaker 3>Apohem, yes he was in The.
<v Speaker 1>Marines he was in The, marines and he was a
<v Speaker 1>sergeant in The. Marines he was one of the first
<v Speaker 1>black men, promoted maybe the first to some position of.
<v Speaker 1>CORPORAL i can't remember what it. Was but here's the
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing that was going. On they were Filming Full
<v Speaker 1>Metal jacket at the same time that they were filming this,
<v Speaker 1>movie and they were like close, together, Right and In
<v Speaker 1>Full Metal, jacket you've got Our Lee emery's first, performance
<v Speaker 1>and he also was a military, guy playing a military.
<v Speaker 1>Sergeant and in both movies they say asses and, elbows
<v Speaker 1>asholes and.
<v Speaker 3>Elbows, yes.
<v Speaker 1>Sorry and so those, guys like the guys From Full
<v Speaker 1>Metal jacket and the guys From aliens would get together
<v Speaker 1>and party after shooting in the evening they would hang out.
<v Speaker 1>Together it's. Fantastic this is.
<v Speaker 2>Hilarious SO i had a friend who was telling me
<v Speaker 2>That Al matthews is now a gospel, singer right, yeah
<v Speaker 2>AND i was rolling through some of his greatest. Hits,
<v Speaker 2>right every day in The marines is like a, parade,
<v Speaker 2>right look into my.
<v Speaker 3>Eye but his best hit is.
<v Speaker 1>Assholes i'm just, kidding all. Right So William hope is
<v Speaker 1>the guy who Played Lieutenant gorman The. Pandejo. Right, yes
<v Speaker 1>he had actually gotten cast in full metal jacket but
<v Speaker 1>turned it down to go be an. Alias. Okay and
<v Speaker 1>then we also Have Lance, hendrickson who played the part Of.
<v Speaker 1>BISHOP i may be, synthetic But i'm not. Stupid Lance
<v Speaker 1>hendrickson had been In pirana.
<v Speaker 3>Two he played the.
<v Speaker 2>Sergeant or the sheriff In pirana. Two oh, Yeah James.
<v Speaker 3>Cameron in order to make him look like a.
<v Speaker 2>Sheriff, yes they found a save The whales button that
<v Speaker 2>became a sheriff's.
<v Speaker 1>Badge oh my, god total the b. Movie so he
<v Speaker 1>had actually said he had made a little promise to.
<v Speaker 1>Himself he, says if this movie doesn't make me, Famous
<v Speaker 1>i'm going to quit. Acting, yeah like at This i'm.
<v Speaker 1>Done i've had ENOUGH b movie. Roles i'm done with
<v Speaker 1>acting unless this is a big. Success and well it's
<v Speaker 1>his biggest.
<v Speaker 2>Success he was In Stone cold With Brian.
<v Speaker 1>Bosworth oh, Happy. Okay and then we have for the
<v Speaker 1>part Of little newt Little Egyptian goddess of The. Sun
<v Speaker 1>her name Is.
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca nobody calls Me, rebecca he, said my.
<v Speaker 3>Brother her name Is.
<v Speaker 1>Carrie.
<v Speaker 4>Hun we better keep dack because it will be dark.
<v Speaker 1>Soon and they mostly come at night. Mostly.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and she had no acting. Experience they need to
<v Speaker 2>find somebody who could Do. American her dad was stationed over.
<v Speaker 2>There he was in The Air. Force.
<v Speaker 3>Yep her mother Was. English.
<v Speaker 2>Yep every kid who came in and read had done like.
<v Speaker 3>Commercials.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and So Gaila hurd said that they would deliver
<v Speaker 2>a line and then smile and.
<v Speaker 1>Smile.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, No kelly, cereal it's.
<v Speaker 1>Great it's frosted plates. Man. Yeah, so but she hadn't
<v Speaker 1>had any acting, experience but ends up going over there to,
<v Speaker 1>audition and she doesn't know that she's supposed to smile
<v Speaker 1>at the, end and so she. Doesn't, yep and that
<v Speaker 1>gets her the. Part. Yep her Little british accent comes
<v Speaker 1>through every once in a while during the.
<v Speaker 3>Movie she has a distinct.
<v Speaker 2>Accent, yep you can hear. It and my wife AND
<v Speaker 2>i say this to each other all the. Time it's
<v Speaker 2>one of her most quotable. Lines it's, uh they only
<v Speaker 2>come out.
<v Speaker 3>At night mostly mostly.
<v Speaker 2>Mostly so anytime we say, mostly it turns into.
<v Speaker 1>That. Yeah so That Carrie hen was that, actress but
<v Speaker 1>she didn't do anything. Else she went on to become
<v Speaker 1>like An english.
<v Speaker 2>Teacher she's a fourth grade. Teacher she teaches kids who
<v Speaker 2>are newts. Age there you, go, Yep Rebecca.
<v Speaker 1>Jordan, okay there's one guy who we haven't, mentioned BUT
<v Speaker 1>i just GOTTA i gotta throw it out. There, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>Okay so in the beginning when she's When ripley is
<v Speaker 1>in the boardroom trying to tell everybody what's, happened and
<v Speaker 1>they're accusing her of wasting you, know forty two pajillion
<v Speaker 1>dollars or. Whatever, right the boardroom, guy like the main
<v Speaker 1>executive guy Is Paul. Maxwell, okay do you Remember Last.
<v Speaker 1>Crusade he's on the ship and he Gets Harrison ford
<v Speaker 1>gets punched in the face and they're fighting over this. Cross, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>yeah the guy in the white hat who's like The,
<v Speaker 1>king bad, guy same.
<v Speaker 3>Guy it belongs in a. Museum so do you Don?
<v Speaker 3>Jones that?
<v Speaker 1>Guy that? Guy, wow that is.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, yeah that's a good one right.
<v Speaker 1>There thank. You, Okay so next week we will get
<v Speaker 1>back into production and talking about the storylines and the
<v Speaker 1>deep meaning behind these two movies and their complete, awesomeness
<v Speaker 1>and then we'll talk post, production and then we will
<v Speaker 1>move on To terminator Versus terminator to come.
<v Speaker 2>Back next week we'll finish up and give our final.
<v Speaker 3>Judgment what's?
<v Speaker 4>It Man Game?
<v Speaker 2>Over Man Game?
<v Speaker 4>Over