Getting Salty with Angie Katsanevas from RHOSLC

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Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous. It's La La Kent. Welcome to untraditionally, Laala. Hi babes, it is La La Kent, Welcome back to untraditionally, Lala. I am so excited. So I know you guys are going to be excited because I have Angie K from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Why do I feel so honored to be from Salt Lake City at this moment in time? They are absolutely crushing it. ANGIEK has become one of my most favorite housewives of all time. And you guys know that that is a big, big fucking statement because I have watched every episode of every Housewives franchise from the beginning. She's crushing. She is here. She is the girl who doesn't eat French fries, only does franchise. We have Angie Katzanavis. All right, ang I'm so excited to have you. I've been like tweaking out over this. You're my most favorite housewife and I've watched every single episode of every single Housewives franchise.

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Speaker 2: Are you being serious?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I told you this. When we shot up fronts, I was like, I fuck with you hard.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just took my stock way up because I felt the same about you.

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Speaker 2: So thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're making Salt Lake look so good. I'm so proud to be from there. I want to jump in very quickly because when I started hearing about this like reinvented let's like swap lives and do Real Housewives wife swap, it was like, I wonder who they're going to get to do this? What made you say yes? Well?

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Speaker 3: You know, I remember hearing about the show when I was little, like it was so long ago, and I thought, Wow, how crazy would that be to live someone else's life? And for this opportunity to come to me, like what is it twenty years later or or more?

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Speaker 2: Is so crazy? Uh?

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Speaker 3: You know? For me, I just love to say yes every opportunity, like every learning of opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Do you love that?

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Speaker 3: Like every learning opportunity, I think it's always an opportunity for growth and transformation. And it became just that you do.

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Speaker 1: You wear many hats though, and I think that you are a testament to how women can kind of do it all now not kind of, they very much can do it all. You're you're a mom, You're a fantastic cook. I've seen you whipping things up in the kitchen and you're a business owner, Like I feel like it's the perfect fit for you to kind of step into a role that you're so used to doing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, for me, I'm excited for the audience to get to see another side of me. I was back, you know, working with small children again, playing with small children again, and right now I'm in the role of being a teenage mom. So that was different, but it was you know, it's where like being a mother's one of the roles in my life. I think I am the best at and it was was so natural. I took to it like you know, breath and so to be put back in the role of being with small children, that is really where I shine.

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Speaker 2: Being in the home is where I shine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you have to stay. How long did you have to be in that role for.

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Speaker 3: I was there for four days, and I honestly felt like I was there for months.

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Speaker 2: I know that sounds crazy.

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Speaker 3: I became so immersed in their life that I felt like I've been part of this family for months. I know that's crazy, and I think this family and I were It was fate that I was put with this particular family and the connection and the bonding that happened so immediately made me feel like we had been a part of each other's lives for a long time and that we are you know, will continue to be a part of each other's lives. In fact, I invited them over to watch the show, and they're coming in tonight to my home and I'm self thrilled to see that they're going to spend the night in my house and we're going to watch the show together.

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Speaker 1: Wait, Ange, I have chills. That is so cute.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's really special. And the little girl and I bonded and it was so special that I just can't wait to hug her and hold her again.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to watch I'm like very excited. All they had to say was housewife addition, and I was like, I'm all in, did you ever in a million years, like I know that you were popping in to Salt Lake here and there, and it just made sense for you to kind of be a full time cast member, but like, did you ever envision that it would lead to like such I don't want to say random, but I guess it is a random opportunity to be like, hey, wife swap is coming back, Like, did you think that Salt Lake City Housewives would lead you down a path of like such greatness?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I mean everything's happened just so organically and so authentically, and you know, it's kind of real, honestly, because I just showed.

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Speaker 2: Up to work.

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Speaker 3: I love the job, I love the ladies. You know, there's chemistry, there's real relationships, and I'm just having fun with it. I never thought it would have turned into another a second opportunity, and so I feel really blessed and it's very humbling, and I just I always come from a place of gratitude. I was so grateful when I received a call and was told like you were the first person we thought of for this, and I just thought, wow, like this is another opportunity that has come my way through this whole journey, and I am so grateful.

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Speaker 1: Is Lunatic Fringe just you know that I had a friend whose mom and her husband worked at Lunatic Fringe. So I've known it since I was in like the seventh grade. You guys have been alive and all for many years.

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Speaker 2: Lah lah, that's so crazy.

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Speaker 3: I've been open for almost twenty seven years, and of course with you being from Utah, Yeah, that is so cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just remember she would her name is Mariah, and she would always come to school with like the coolest hair and with like merch on that said lunatic Fringe. It was so fabulous. So the moment I was like, oh my gosh, she's the owner.

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Speaker 2: That is so awesome.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So we were connected from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: From the beginning. Have you noticed, like people are coming into Salt Lake City to act like tourists, but they bop into the salon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean we were already at mexicapacity. We were already busy in books. But people do come in and say, I can't believe you're here. If I happen to be there, like I am a huge fan of the show, I never thought, you know, I would come in at the same time as you, or they come on tours and they're visiting all of our businesses and so yeah, it's fun when people actually come in when you're there.

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Speaker 1: I know, I remember on vander Pump Rules people would come in and I was, you know, an actual hostess, and they'd be like, you work here. I'm like, yeah, it's real, it's all very real.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a dream for them. You're in their living room and then they walk in and meet you. So it's a lot of fun. I love meeting fans at the show in the salon.

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Speaker 1: How are you different from real life versus real life? I always say that there's there's It's very much the same thing, but there is a difference. Like are you always that quick with your tongue, because and you're like crushing this season. You always crush, But the shit that's coming out of your mouth, you could have so many different merch sayings.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know.

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Speaker 3: I was always told I was funny and witty, and I remember I was twelve years old and one of my Greek friends she said, you are so witty and I didn't even know what the word meant. Isn't that funny? I said, what does that mean? She said, well, you're just so quick. And that was in seventh grade. So I've I've been this way my whole life, and I never thought that it would just become my role or or it's my job. I guess you know now, it's like they do come flying out.

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Speaker 2: They're authentic.

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Speaker 3: A lot of funny stuff has always come to me and it's like secretive, little funny jobs that you could only say to your gay friends, or to your best year, or to your sister.

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Speaker 2: And now I just get a sam. It's like the coolest thing.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it the best?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, it's such a rush, it is.

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Speaker 3: And I've told people I was voted funniest in school two years in a row. So I've always just had crazy things going on up there, and it's just fun to share them with the whole world.

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Speaker 1: Now, the French fries and franchise, Where did that? How did that come to you? That's so gious?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, and.

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Speaker 3: People are you know, it's funny when you see someone say this is a rehearse rate, It's like, how can you be rehearsed like you Someone might say your business or talk about your business, but the word franchise in it. I never in a million years thought that would like come out come up, so I know it just it just rhymed it sound French fries franch I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, it just came out.

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Speaker 3: And I do my best work when I'm heated, which is terrible because then sometimes the not so nice things come out too, so it can be great and it can also be.

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Speaker 1: Dangerous, yes, but I feel like we have a group of women. Listen to me. We we have a group of women this season where I feel like you guys all rise to the occasion. You guys can go toes with the best of them. But I do find because there's so much history, there is always room for the forgiving heart to still exist. And I think that's what's making this season so amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, these women, we do love each other, that's real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you have friendships that went well beyond this show existing because what we're only on season six, right? Six?

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Speaker 2: Uh huh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And I always say I think that the perfect the recipe to the perfect Housewives City franchise is when you can have conflict and resolution. Once the resolution aspect ends, the show is kind of done. And you guys have crushed it so much so that you did that incredible photo shoot for US Weekly. I die. I mean what they just gave you guys a call and said we want to put you on the cover and do it like very desperate housewives.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and what was great?

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Speaker 3: I think some of us were probably I mean I hadn't seen some of the women since we you know, wrapped, so to be back in that environment, it was really amazing to see everyone come together. Everyone was excited to be there. It was like we all loved our job. We showed up and we got through it. It was great energy in there. It was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: So you guys got to laugh and things like that.

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Speaker 2: We did, we did. It was great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like kind of another bonding moment, and we had to look at it as like business, like, Wow, our show is being acknowledged as one of the greatest shows on reality television and we're being given this great opportunity. And I think everyone just felt grateful for that and could kind of look past things that have happened, and you know, there's still some issues there, but everyone was so incredible and we looked past what was going on and we just came together as a team and came together for ourselves, for the fans, for the show.

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Speaker 2: Was right awesome.

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Speaker 1: You were able to live in the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was a celebration, right, regardless of what's going on with us personally and the issues that are, you know, the underlying issues. It was a celebration of the success of the show and celebrating each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on with this Britney person, because I'm very confused by I'm very in.

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Speaker 2: Me, both you and me. Both. Brittany's an interesting character.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just watched the episode where she's talking to you about your house and how like it's not a good look that you drop prices. I'm like, I'm no real estate agent, but that's just like the biz, right, yes, yes, and.

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Speaker 3: You know what it is like in this area and in this market, I mean where I live. Obviously, you know, we started out aggressively and we did have a price decrease, and I just thought, wow, that was crazy that if she really wanted my business, she should have taken me to coffee, not brought it up at lunch. And I really have yet to see her sell anything, or I've never heard of her selling anything. So it was awkward. But Britney's sweet. She just says some things sometimes that are just bizarre. And yeah, so it was bizarre, but maybe it makes for fun and laughs for the audience.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was very it was very petty conflict, which I think is what makes housewives great.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I do want to say about her, to keep it in the light. Is like Britney does bring up some petty conflict and I would much rather be, you know, having petty conflict in area code or zip code arguments.

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Speaker 2: Versus things that are deeper and more hurtful.

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Speaker 1: So that's what made Housewives great from the beginning. Yet to see where it was the petty little conflict that was so relatable, Like everybody has had those moments with a friend where it's like easy to get over, but I do find and I actually feel badly. And you don't even have to comment on this, but I was looking. I was watching her. I've been watching her, and I think because of her upbringing and not many experiences happening for her in life, that she's a bit emotionally stunted, Like it almost feels that there are moments you are talking to a child.

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Speaker 2: I guess if the fans enjoy, you know, seeing.

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Speaker 3: Us get a little frustrated with her at time or at times, or just calling her out for just little ditchy things she says and does, because she can be a little frustrating. But I don't know if maybe that's what the show needs, is some of these sort of fun, little delusional moments. So I'm still trying to figure it out too. I think along with the fans, I'm still figuring Britney out.

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Speaker 1: Is this your first season with a snowflake in your hand?

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Speaker 2: No, I've been full time since season four, so my second.

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Speaker 1: You're okay, your second. Did anyone freak out that you were in the center this year?

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Speaker 2: Well, no one ever says they freak out. I do know, Like in the US Weekly.

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Speaker 3: Interview, Lisa said it was based on your height and your dress.

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Speaker 1: But that would makes sense because she talked about how short you were in this last episode, so that.

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Speaker 3: Capt I know, you put the tiniest one in the middle and everyone around You're right, I am a shorty, I'm patite.

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Speaker 2: But yes, I wouldn't say freak out.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't hear from everyone, you know, as far as like a congratulations, So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that was a big that was like a big win.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge win. Yeah, of course it is. And I would celebrate anyone that winds up in the middle and send them a you know, of okay of flowers right like it's excite.

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Speaker 1: I believe that from you, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I would, So I think sometimes I expected some of my castmates to be a little more excited for me, and sometimes they're just not. And I think, you know, that's a bummer. But you know, hopefully when when someone else gets it, I will, I will celebrate them.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it is. It's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: I don't like it when people try and downplay it, because I wouldn't downplay it if it was one of my cast members.

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Speaker 1: No, especially because considering how many seasons have happened, you are considered a new housewife and I think, I mean, I believe what. We're not even halfway there yet with the season, but I my heart is getting sad because I feel like you and Mary are about to fall off. Do you How are you today? Without giving story away and giving away too much, are we hopeful?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that we have some ups and downs, and I want to stay hopeful without giving too much away. I'm having Mary over for dinner tonight for her birthday. Okay, So yeah, I mean we went through a lot, and you know that's just the challenges.

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Speaker 2: I think of friendship, and not only friendships, but we have other, you know, outside influences. Being on the show.

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Speaker 3: We are becoming more honest with each other versus being on eggshells, and so I think when you say how you really feel, sometimes feelings get hurt. I'm learning what makes her tick, I'm learning what irritates her, and that's part of getting.

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Speaker 2: To know someone. So you know, you'll see ups and downs for the season.

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Speaker 3: But I think we navigated things pretty well and we we come out pretty good on the other side.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Mary. She makes me laugh, She's funny, She's the end of my yang.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get her, and that's why I think, like this fart fight that's already out there that so it wouldn't be a spoiler. I get her and it's funny to watch, you know, rewatch that moment because she was really upset and I felt it. You know, I just thought, Okay, I just need to remain calm and talk. This fart came through with her, and while somebody might not have taken it seriously, she was serious and I knew that I had to take it seriously and handle it with care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got through it.

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Speaker 1: I love that you got through it. And I always like the unlikely friendships that come to be. Are there any unlikely friendships that are going to kind of shock us.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that alliances shift a lot, but in some of the alliances that you have seen, so probably not nothing shocking. Nothing is shocking as marrying me.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about your family. Has it been hard, because I know it all sounds like the best time ever when you're thinking about going on a reality TV show and I know that you went through some things that were being said about your marriage. Are you guys fine that the show is actually creating a stronger bond between you guys?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 3: I mean you really have to have that like love and respect and trust before you do this. I really had no idea what I was getting into. That just all just threw me for a loop. To be honest, I thought, oh, is this what the show is? Because by nature, like, I'm funny and fun and I just expected something different. So it was a little shocking that that's where they went with it.

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Speaker 2: But I think I.

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Speaker 3: Came out on top because it's not Sean and I that look bad.

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Speaker 2: It's the people that are gossiping about us.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I felt like, you know what, I think we handled ourselves well. It could have became a negative thing, but I think it showed how positive we handle the situation.

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Speaker 2: Really, when you have the.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity to show how you handle things, that's where you shine. Yeah so, And honestly, like now there's like soup man or whatever flying around, like you just kind of really learn that things are, you know, crazy things as they're said, and you just have to start to learn. You can be hurt that the people are saying it trying to hope that a rumor gets legs, but you just have to start to learn.

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Speaker 2: To laugh it off.

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Speaker 3: If I could just look at as a comedy show, maybe that's how you take things a little lighter and a little less to heart.

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Speaker 1: Because this too shall pass. Everything always you know, ends up old news. And I think that that's a smart way to look at it. What is your relationship like with the comment section.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's been pretty great. I get a lot of love from the fans. You know, there's moments where you don't handle things in the best way because you're emotional. And look, I've learned that from week to week there's ups and downs and that's real life, right, Like we are thrown into a situation and we just do our best to come out of it in our best light.

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Speaker 2: And the one thing that I have learned though.

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Speaker 3: Is things these episodes become transformative for me, like how can I become a better person?

00:20:03
Speaker 2: How can I grow from this? And how can I learn from this?

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Speaker 3: So I don't take the comment section too seriously when it's negative, because I know that I learned a lot from that moment and that that little rift in a friendship or from that conversation. So I'm always learning and growing, and I know I'm not the same person I was last year when I filmed this particular episode. I have become, you know, I've learned and grown and I have two transformed. You know, I'm another year older and another year wiser. So but I do love all the love obviously, but who doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: But I've learned not to take it too seriously because you know, we were not the same person we were when we filmed that episode.

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Speaker 1: No, not at all. It was another experience that you learned from. Yes, do you and Lisa ever douke it out to the point of resolution? If you can even tell us?

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Speaker 2: I think you'll see ups and downs with us this season.

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Speaker 3: You know, like we move on from hurtful moments and we have some fun and then something hurtful comes along again and we have to address it.

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Speaker 1: Did you have that type of relationship with her before cameras picked up? Was it kind of up? And no?

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Speaker 3: No, I think when you get you know, coming onto the show and groups of friends, and you know, sometimes being put in this position where the comment section says one thing people feel it upsets people and then they feel like they have to go in the comment section or go host to defend or prove, and that just makes things worse. So sometimes the opinion of the fans and the comment section viewers matters more to some people than it does to others.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, absolutely, There's definitely people who I've done shows with where I'm like, Okay, we care about the perception of things more than the reality of things.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm trying to stay in the reality of things, right, because people's views of you changes.

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Speaker 1: We week, Oh you're on a pedestal one day with the audience, and literally the next week they want you dead in their backyard.

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Speaker 3: So absolutely, as soon as you can grasp that, it's like, okay.

00:22:11
Speaker 1: Right, stick to your truth because the only person going to bed in your head at night is you, Yes, and you know, like.

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Speaker 3: I want my daughter to know that it doesn't matter what people say about us. We look in the mirror and we know who we are. And that's really the attitude you have to have with the shew.

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Speaker 1: It really, it really is. And I've I've watched on these platforms make or break people and for me, I know that I get affected when you see something over and over again. So I have to stay out of the comments section. I have to like keep you know, my head where my feet are and I can't venture into it or we're in a full spiral. Then I'm not present for my kids, whereas you're kind of you're in that zone of Electra is watching you, and you know, my girls are My girls are young right now. Of course they're walked me. But you're in a very delicate and vulnerable spot right now. With Electra's age.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a teenager, it's really important.

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Speaker 3: It's also really important for me to let her know, Look, we love the love from the fans, but that what people say about us doesn't define us. And I you know, just remember who you are. Have a strong sense of self, you know, have a strong identity and remember who you are, and I don't let her see me ever get my feathers ruffled about what someone says. And I think that's a great example that we can all give our children right no matter what age, because she is at that age where social media is a thing and TikTok's a thing. So yeah, it's important for me to just be an example and let her know that if someone brings us up here and says you're a queen, then you know, that's like, we can't double down on that too much because the next day they could say you're horrible. So if you know who you are, none of that matters.

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Speaker 1: I love this. I want to know what is the most iconic line that you look at on your time being on Housewives whor you're like, I really freaking slave in that moment.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be high body count hair. It just does because it's authentic to me, as you know, having been a hairdresser, being in the beauty industry, owning salons. It just it came out, and I mean it's nothing I ever in a million years thought I would be arguing about. Would be somebody's hair looking a little cornish or a little high BodyCount hair, So.

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Speaker 1: You know you're fucking cool because I was I'm like, what is high body count?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

00:24:38
Speaker 1: And someone had to explain it to me and I was like, I've never heard that before. That is so genius and I use it all the time now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people are like, where did that come from? It's like it just came out. I never in a million years thought I would be in this predicament with Brittany and then for her hair to be looking like that that day.

00:24:55
Speaker 2: It just was like the perfect storm.

00:24:58
Speaker 3: But people seem to love it and it's funny and it's a it's a read only a hairdresser could really deliver.

00:25:03
Speaker 1: So it was so good. I love it. My last question before I release you into the wild is how does one get the product bracelet that I can literally scan and charge anything on. How much do you have to spend?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, it just showed up in the box with a little note, a handwritten note. I didn't ask for it, it just showed up. I don't know if it's something they were doing temporarily. I don't know if it's even still a thing, and it's just a little black I should have worn it.

00:25:31
Speaker 2: It's just a little.

00:25:32
Speaker 3: Black leather bracelet and it says, Traden, you can just tap it, but I hadn't properly, Like what do you call it?

00:25:39
Speaker 2: When you get a card.

00:25:40
Speaker 1: And you have to active, you have to activate it.

00:25:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:25:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for so long I was scared to use it. But I'm like that it's real. But yeah, it's such a cool concept because I lose cards all the time.

00:25:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you've got a product bracelet that looks fabulous. It is. We just get to swipe in yea.

00:25:58
Speaker 3: I love a credit card like one year, so this way, you're just wearing it, right.

00:26:02
Speaker 1: I love it.

00:26:04
Speaker 2: I'm so happy passion statement. No one would even know.

00:26:07
Speaker 1: I loved the whole thing, the throwing the credit cards with your name all over it, and then bringing up the freaking Prada bracelet. I was like, everything that's happening right now is just gold. Thank you.

00:26:18
Speaker 2: It was a crazy episode. I was definitely heated.

00:26:20
Speaker 3: I came down from the next week and was like, oh my goodness, I cannot react like that every week.

00:26:27
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, as a viewer, we thank you for your service.

00:26:31
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. Okay, that means the world for me.

00:26:34
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know the drill and we're here for it.

00:26:37
Speaker 3: That crazy NGK can't come out every week. That would be too much, but.

00:26:41
Speaker 1: Well, don't deprive us, girl.

00:26:43
Speaker 2: Thank you for all looking for it. Oh you're the best, La La.

00:26:46
Speaker 1: Thank you, of course, thank you for being on my podcast. You guys, thank you for listening to another episode of Untraditionally La La. I'm going to catch you guys next week. Bye.