A History: Van Halen through Van Hagar (Part 1 of 3) "Pretty Woman to Eruption"

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<v Speaker 2>On with the show. Hello everybody, and welcome to the
<v Speaker 2>Sure That You Can't Be Serious Podcast. We are here
<v Speaker 2>today for a special rerun episode. We watched reruns when
<v Speaker 2>we were kids. We can we can put them out there.
<v Speaker 2>I watch reruns all the time. That's what you did
<v Speaker 2>during the summer.
<v Speaker 3>I know you don't want to miss anything that happened
<v Speaker 3>a long time ago, right, yeah, bring the things up
<v Speaker 3>here exactly.
<v Speaker 4>So.
<v Speaker 2>This episode came out when we very first started together.
<v Speaker 2>We jumped in with just a few pairings before this,
<v Speaker 2>just two, I think, and then we decided it's time
<v Speaker 2>to do Van Halen Versus Van Hagar.
<v Speaker 3>It's one of our most popular episodes to date.
<v Speaker 2>Now, when we recorded this, all of the members were
<v Speaker 2>still alive at that time. Right, We've lost Eddie couple
<v Speaker 2>of years ago, not too long after it came out, honestly,
<v Speaker 2>so it's nice to go back and listen to it
<v Speaker 2>and revisit it. That's what we're doing today.
<v Speaker 5>Guess, if I may be so bold, I am going
<v Speaker 5>to prepare you guys for this summer when we finally
<v Speaker 5>tackle a Van Halen album track by track, nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 3>Eight's OHU eight one two, and we're going to compare
<v Speaker 3>it with another album from nineteen eighty eight. I'll save
<v Speaker 3>the matchup for down the road.
<v Speaker 5>So this is kind of a taste.
<v Speaker 3>It'll get you going enjoy our comparison van Halen Brisbin Here.
<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious
<v Speaker 2>Podcast with your co hosts James D. Graves and Jason Colbn.
<v Speaker 4>Hey Jason, what's up?
<v Speaker 3>D How's it going man?
<v Speaker 2>I'll run a little bit hot tonight.
<v Speaker 3>I don't feel tardy.
<v Speaker 2>How exciting.
<v Speaker 4>I love that we're going to talk about the van
<v Speaker 4>Halen van Hagar dispute today, and I love that you
<v Speaker 4>really like van Hagar because I really like van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>I like them both. But this is a very interesting
<v Speaker 3>argument to get into because this is a definite line
<v Speaker 3>in the sand. There's different people on both sides of
<v Speaker 3>this argument, but it's one of the biggest arguments of
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen eighties that we're going to talk about.
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<v Speaker 2>The Van Halen Boys are born in nineteen fifty fifty
<v Speaker 2>three for Alex, fifty five for Reddy and so they're
<v Speaker 2>born in Amsterdam. Their father is a musician. He is
<v Speaker 2>a big band player. But this is the early and
<v Speaker 2>mid nineteen fifties, which means that music is changing. Elvis
<v Speaker 2>and Chuck Berry have come out and rock and roll
<v Speaker 2>is the thing, and big bands are out. They decide
<v Speaker 2>we're not going to stay here anymore. We're going to
<v Speaker 2>pack up and chase the American dream.
<v Speaker 3>Moved to Beverlee, yes slash Pasadena, Yes close enough.
<v Speaker 2>Right right, And so they take their two young boys.
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty two. It's nineteen sixty two, they get
<v Speaker 2>on a large boat to trans the Atlantic and to
<v Speaker 2>help pay the way, the dad Yan plays music with
<v Speaker 2>the band and then after a few nights, they the
<v Speaker 2>boys who had been classically trained in piano at that
<v Speaker 2>point were still very young, but could play the piano well.
<v Speaker 2>They had them get up in between sets, and then
<v Speaker 2>the next night they were sitting at the captain's stable.
<v Speaker 2>Because the star little boys won everyone's hearts, and so
<v Speaker 2>they became the star of the show. I think at
<v Speaker 2>that point the seed was planted and they were ready
<v Speaker 2>to be stage musicians for the rest of their lives.
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't take very long to figure out there are
<v Speaker 3>benefits to being the performance.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, have you ever been in a performance where,
<v Speaker 2>like at the end of the performance, everybody's standing up
<v Speaker 2>and cheering. It is more addictive than I think I
<v Speaker 2>could think of anything else that could be. It is
<v Speaker 2>an amazing, amazing feeling, and so I can totally understand
<v Speaker 2>anybody's desire to chase that monster once you've seen it. Cool,
<v Speaker 2>all right, all right, So they make the journey in
<v Speaker 2>nine days over to the United States. They they moved Pasadena, California,
<v Speaker 2>as we said, And when they arrive they don't know
<v Speaker 2>any English. They know two they know two English words.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. Alex says that when they came over. Theyknew
<v Speaker 3>two English words. One was yes and the other was accident.
<v Speaker 2>Accident, which apparently was just the first word in the
<v Speaker 2>book that their mom was trying to teach them English from.
<v Speaker 3>Ac Actually, Alex is encouraged to pick up the guitar.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they buy him a electric guitar silver tone, and
<v Speaker 2>Eddie decides that he's going to go out. He enjoys
<v Speaker 2>the drums. They came over in nineteen sixty two, and
<v Speaker 2>then nineteen sixty four, of course, is when you have
<v Speaker 2>the British invasion, and so they are introduced to the
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll of the Beatles and of the day
<v Speaker 2>of Clark five and Dave Clark five is the drummer
<v Speaker 2>who Eddie wanted to be. He wanted to go and
<v Speaker 2>play drums like that guy, and so he got himself
<v Speaker 2>a paper route. He worked hard, just like you would
<v Speaker 2>in the movies. He saved up Paul his money and
<v Speaker 2>got himself a drum set. And then while he was
<v Speaker 2>away on his paper route, Alex would go and pound
<v Speaker 2>on those drums.
<v Speaker 3>While he was working hard to pay for the drums.
<v Speaker 3>His brother was learning the.
<v Speaker 2>Drums right, and he was actually quite skilled at it,
<v Speaker 2>and when Eddie realized what was going on. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I can imagine the challenge kind of like out of
<v Speaker 2>Step Brothers. Hey mean, did you touch my drum set? Nope,
<v Speaker 2>because it's just weird because.
<v Speaker 3>Seems like someone definitely touched my drum set.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is weird because I didn't touch him. And
<v Speaker 2>then it was you know, you're better than me, so
<v Speaker 2>the heck with it. I'll just play your dang guitar.
<v Speaker 2>First band that they had was the.
<v Speaker 3>First band that they had was called the Broken Combs.
<v Speaker 2>The Broken Combs like a junior high name. To you,
<v Speaker 2>it does sound like a junior high name. And then
<v Speaker 2>a little more sophomore. They played with a guy for
<v Speaker 2>a while who was playing bass for him, and then
<v Speaker 2>his dad get a job as a preacher about three
<v Speaker 2>hundred miles away. So they're out their basis, they're out
<v Speaker 2>their place to practice. They had to find a new basis,
<v Speaker 2>which they did, and his name was his name is
<v Speaker 2>Mark Stone, Mark Stone. And so they actually had another
<v Speaker 2>band that they called the Trojan Rubber Factory. But they
<v Speaker 2>kept playing hard and they were hard working musicians. They
<v Speaker 2>would pound the pavement, they would put up posters everywhere
<v Speaker 2>to let everybody know what they were doing, and they
<v Speaker 2>were obsessed with the band. And at this time Eddie
<v Speaker 2>is the one that's doing all the lead singing.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 2>And they are going to parties. They're usually like backyard parties,
<v Speaker 2>which was pretty popular back in the day. Not only
<v Speaker 2>would they go out and invite everyone that they could
<v Speaker 2>to the party, their music was really, really loud, and
<v Speaker 2>so frequently it wasn't just a question of if the
<v Speaker 2>cops would show up. It would be men, are the
<v Speaker 2>cops going to show up? And at one point the
<v Speaker 2>cops showed up and said, you guys are so loud.
<v Speaker 2>We were looking for you four blocks away. At the
<v Speaker 2>same time, young David Lee Roth, who was born in Indiana,
<v Speaker 2>had some experiences in New York City with his uncle
<v Speaker 2>getting to go to some of the clubs there in
<v Speaker 2>New York City, got to see Bob Dylan and Jimmy
<v Speaker 2>Hendrix and definitely caught the bug. At that point, knew
<v Speaker 2>that that was the type of lifestyle, the New York
<v Speaker 2>City lifestyle and the stage lifestyle that he wanted to
<v Speaker 2>be a part of. But as it turns out, he
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really into rock and roll so much as the
<v Speaker 2>other guys were he liked listening to kind of the
<v Speaker 2>swing and some of the stuff that you most of
<v Speaker 2>the kids those days just weren't listening to.
<v Speaker 3>I heard Eddy talk that Dave actually very much enjoyed disco.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, and we'll see later on when he comes
<v Speaker 2>into the band he really kind of brings that element
<v Speaker 2>which then helps them come into the public eye. Okay, Jason,
<v Speaker 2>So I can remember when I was a little kid
<v Speaker 2>watching Van Halen perform, watching the Jump video, thinking to myself,
<v Speaker 2>I cannot wait until I have a full head of
<v Speaker 2>chest hair like David.
<v Speaker 3>He's got some amazing chest hair.
<v Speaker 2>He has got the best chest hair ever. Like He's
<v Speaker 2>he's thin, and he's not rough and tough at all,
<v Speaker 2>but he's got that rough and tough manly hair. You
<v Speaker 2>know who likes that?
<v Speaker 6>Now?
<v Speaker 3>Who's that?
<v Speaker 2>Nobody? Nobody likes the big fluffy hair on your chest anymore.
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<v Speaker 6>Oh my.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, wack it wack it so.
<v Speaker 2>Also born in Chicago around the same time as these
<v Speaker 2>guys is Michael Anthony and his family has moved to
<v Speaker 2>Pasadena as well. He started a band. He's playing bass
<v Speaker 2>and singing for the band as well. So these guys
<v Speaker 2>are all doing their own thing around each other. Michael
<v Speaker 2>Anthony's band is called Snake Snake and David Lee Roth's
<v Speaker 2>band is.
<v Speaker 3>Called Red Ball Jets.
<v Speaker 2>Red Ball Jets alrighty, and so the the guys have
<v Speaker 2>Mark Stone, Eddie is singing, and Alex is telling Eddie,
<v Speaker 2>you're really not carrying it as a singer. Nobody would
<v Speaker 2>ever question your abilities as a guitarist, but we need
<v Speaker 2>to find another singer. And as it turned out, they
<v Speaker 2>had to rent their PA system, and so they would
<v Speaker 2>pay somebody ten bucks per show to go rent the system.
<v Speaker 2>And one of the guys they were renting from.
<v Speaker 3>Was this kid named David Roth.
<v Speaker 2>Kid named David Lee Roth. His dad was an i surgeon,
<v Speaker 2>and so he had a little bit more money than
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the boys. And so after a while,
<v Speaker 2>Alex just said, you know, we need a lead singer,
<v Speaker 2>and we need his PA system. Might as well get
<v Speaker 2>two birds with one stone here and just have him
<v Speaker 2>join the band and be our lead singer.
<v Speaker 3>In a matter of ten dollars, they land one of
<v Speaker 3>the greatest frontmen of any rock band of all time. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 3>it's incredible.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are very few leadys, lead singers that stand
<v Speaker 2>out as performers, the guys that bring the live show
<v Speaker 2>to life. And there's no question that David Lee Roth
<v Speaker 2>is one of those guys.
<v Speaker 3>No doubt.
<v Speaker 2>Now. At that time, they still had mark Stone as
<v Speaker 2>a basis. But mark Stone was an honor student, straight
<v Speaker 2>a student, and the boys felt like he wasn't he
<v Speaker 2>didn't have his priorities in the right place.
<v Speaker 3>I know, he's too busy making grades. And his dad
<v Speaker 3>came to him and said, you.
<v Speaker 2>Need to go to school, to school, right, No dad
<v Speaker 2>is going to say you need to choose joining some
<v Speaker 2>silly rock and roll band with a guy who wears
<v Speaker 2>skin tight buttler's pants. And so they go. The boys
<v Speaker 2>actually go to mark Stone and say, listen, we just
<v Speaker 2>we don't think that you're committed like you need to be.
<v Speaker 2>And they let him go.
<v Speaker 6>Ye.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, by the way, we're going to become one of
<v Speaker 3>the greatest rock bands of all time.
<v Speaker 2>See you later, Sorry about that. So they they they
<v Speaker 2>as I said, they're all performing in similar stages, and
<v Speaker 2>at one point that PA system that had brought them
<v Speaker 2>together with David Lee Roth goes out and they're stuck
<v Speaker 2>at the show with no PA, and as it happens,
<v Speaker 2>Snake is performing at the show and Michael Anthony's like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>you can use our PA, no problem, And within just
<v Speaker 2>a few days they're calling him up and saying, hey,
<v Speaker 2>would you like to come be the bass player for
<v Speaker 2>our band.
<v Speaker 3>We'll get into a little bit later, but his voice
<v Speaker 3>actually provides many of the harmonies that I mean, it's so.
<v Speaker 2>Important, unquestionable that van Halen does not sound like van
<v Speaker 2>Halen without Michael Anthony providing those backup vocals. That high
<v Speaker 2>pitched tenor that he has is amazing. So we've gone
<v Speaker 2>we go through a few band names here. We hit
<v Speaker 2>with the Broken Combs. We had the Trojan Rubber Factory.
<v Speaker 2>They were called They called themselves Genesis for a while
<v Speaker 2>and then they're like, oh wait, there's a really successful
<v Speaker 2>band out of England that everybody knows now called Genesis.
<v Speaker 2>So they had to give that one up as well.
<v Speaker 2>Where Mammoth for a bit, and then David Lee Roth
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know what, van Halen sounds cool and
<v Speaker 2>it's your name. Let's make the man, let's make the
<v Speaker 2>band name.
<v Speaker 3>Ross's idea. Absolutely yeah, really cool, I.
<v Speaker 2>Get, and so they become van Halen. Then Michael Anthony
<v Speaker 2>joins and they are off and running. Once they had
<v Speaker 2>gained that big following, they finally landed a gig as
<v Speaker 2>kind of the house band for a place called Gazari's.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's in.
<v Speaker 2>And oddly, from time to time Bill Gazari would come
<v Speaker 2>up to David and say, hey, Van, you guys did
<v Speaker 2>last night a couple extra bucks. I guess he thought
<v Speaker 2>he was like Van Morrison or something. So that's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>The thing about that we need to keep in mind
<v Speaker 2>about both Alex and Eddie is that they were they're
<v Speaker 2>classically trained and that translated into their music. The interesting
<v Speaker 2>thing about the classic training that Eddie had is that
<v Speaker 2>he never ever learned to read music, which, given his
<v Speaker 2>capacity with both keyboards and with guitar and several other instagrams,
<v Speaker 2>is an amazing Yeah. That means that he can't read it.
<v Speaker 2>He's able to do what he does just from listening
<v Speaker 2>to it. And not only that, he fooled his music
<v Speaker 2>teacher at the time into believing that he could read music.
<v Speaker 2>It was five years before the music teacher was performing
<v Speaker 2>a new piece of music for him and told him
<v Speaker 2>he needed him to turn the pages for him, and
<v Speaker 2>he was like.
<v Speaker 3>He was lost.
<v Speaker 2>He was just like, what do you why don't you
<v Speaker 2>turn the pages?
<v Speaker 4>Like I.
<v Speaker 2>Don't have any idea where you are right now? And
<v Speaker 2>this I had a piano teacher when I was a kid,
<v Speaker 2>and my gosh, I could not have lasted like he did.
<v Speaker 2>I just it was painful for me to go to
<v Speaker 2>those music lessons. She was probably one hundred and seventy
<v Speaker 2>five years old, had translucent skin. I mean, I just
<v Speaker 2>remember Missus Mackie. I got to rest her soul.
<v Speaker 3>Miss Mackie had call in the podcast we want to Hear.
<v Speaker 2>From You, right and say hello to Jesus for us.
<v Speaker 2>Missus Mackie was the organ player at my church. Always
<v Speaker 2>had a little tic tack that she would put in
<v Speaker 2>her mouth while we had our music lesson. And I
<v Speaker 2>never learned a thing in that.
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, just so everybody knows you are a guitar
<v Speaker 3>player and I am not.
<v Speaker 2>Well. I love talking about some of the things that
<v Speaker 2>have gone on with the guitar. And Eddie was obviously
<v Speaker 2>an inspiration to me playing guitar in the first place.
<v Speaker 2>He had a special guitar. Yeah, absolutely, I had a
<v Speaker 2>special guitar. So here's something, here's something that many people
<v Speaker 2>don't know about Eddie, which is just absolutely amazing. The
<v Speaker 2>man was an inventor. He wasn't. He didn't just redefine
<v Speaker 2>the way that you play the guitar. He created his
<v Speaker 2>own guitar. The guitars at the time, the two primary
<v Speaker 2>guitars that anybody was going to use were Gibson Less
<v Speaker 2>Paul and a Fender Stratocaster. And Eddie loved the whammy
<v Speaker 2>bar on the Fender Stratocaster because you could you could
<v Speaker 2>change the tone of the notes, You could do different
<v Speaker 2>sounds with that whammy bar. But it only had a
<v Speaker 2>single coil pickup, which means that it would have these
<v Speaker 2>high pitch kind of twangy things that would happen when
<v Speaker 2>you turned it up. Now, the Less Paul had these
<v Speaker 2>hum They called him humbucking pickups, which means they bucked
<v Speaker 2>the hum. They didn't the hum wasn't there for him.
<v Speaker 2>And so what Eddie did was he decided, I'm just
<v Speaker 2>going to make my own guitar. And he goes to
<v Speaker 2>a parts a guitar parts store and says I need
<v Speaker 2>a body and I need a neck, and the guy's like, well,
<v Speaker 2>you don't want that body because it's a second and
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I don't know what that means. Second
<v Speaker 2>what second? The second up? Okay, that's good, I'll take
<v Speaker 2>that one. Then, not realizing that a minute it was
<v Speaker 2>like naughty and not goodwood, and horrible sound would come
<v Speaker 2>out of it. But it didn't matter because what he
<v Speaker 2>was about to do didn't. It changed. It corrected all
<v Speaker 2>of those problems. So he takes that guitar body home
<v Speaker 2>and he starts chiseling out the wood to put the
<v Speaker 2>humbucking pickups inside of the Fender style body so that
<v Speaker 2>he can have his have his humbucking pickups and his
<v Speaker 2>whammy bar. And the result is a guitar that doesn't
<v Speaker 2>sound like any other guitar. It has corrected the hum
<v Speaker 2>problem with the fender, still has the whammy bar that
<v Speaker 2>he can use. And then he had other issues with feedback,
<v Speaker 2>and who knows why he decided to do this. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what caused it in his brain, but he
<v Speaker 2>decided to take the pickups. He's thinking and maybe those
<v Speaker 2>little wire coils or what's causing all the feedback. They're
<v Speaker 2>vibrating in there. And he's got a coffee can and
<v Speaker 2>some paraffin wax melted the paraffin wax, stuck the pickup
<v Speaker 2>inside of it and just kind of waited until the
<v Speaker 2>plastic started to melt and yanked it out of there.
<v Speaker 2>And the paraffin wax then sealed all those coils so
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't have the feedback, and so once again
<v Speaker 2>he's created something new that nobody at the time was doing,
<v Speaker 2>but now is a standard practice of the industry. And
<v Speaker 2>so he's now has a guitar that he can crank
<v Speaker 2>all the way up, doesn't have all of the sound
<v Speaker 2>problems that he had before, and he's super excited. He's
<v Speaker 2>working at a music store and they get in a Marshal.
<v Speaker 2>Now he's had his little his brother's little silver Tone,
<v Speaker 2>which you're not going to get any real sound out
<v Speaker 2>of that, but the Marshal was like the gold standard,
<v Speaker 2>and so he worked for the rest of the summer
<v Speaker 2>to buy this Marshal and he plugged it in and
<v Speaker 2>turned it all the way up, and it sounded awesome
<v Speaker 2>and really really loud, really loud, like I can imagine,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Huey lewis right, I'm afraid you're just so.
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't get the sound that he wanted out of
<v Speaker 2>this thing because he had to turn it up all
<v Speaker 2>the way to get the right sound. And then oddly
<v Speaker 2>comes across this classified ad selling a different Marshal, and
<v Speaker 2>so he's like, maybe this one will be better. He
<v Speaker 2>buys that Marshal, he plugs it in, He plugs the
<v Speaker 2>guitar in, and it doesn't play, and he walks away
<v Speaker 2>and he leaves it open. It leaves it on, and
<v Speaker 2>he comes back and he's like, I'm gonna give it
<v Speaker 2>another try, and just picks it up and he realizes
<v Speaker 2>he can hear sound. Well, what's happened is he didn't
<v Speaker 2>realize that the Marshal was a European style power supply,
<v Speaker 2>and so he had had it at the two twenty
<v Speaker 2>instead of the one ten, and so it had taken
<v Speaker 2>just longer to charge up. But what happens is he
<v Speaker 2>plays it as it's halfway warm, as it's gotten that
<v Speaker 2>slow build of voltage, and he gets the sound that
<v Speaker 2>he wants without the volume problem, and that gives us
<v Speaker 2>that sound of the guitar, the one that everybody knows
<v Speaker 2>that everybody's like, yeah, that's Eddie's guitar. We know that sound.
<v Speaker 2>And then he's got it all put together. He paints
<v Speaker 2>it black. That's kind of boring, right, So he's got
<v Speaker 2>some tape laying next to him and just randomly decides
<v Speaker 2>out just put some tape in, kind of a crisscross
<v Speaker 2>pattern on the guitar, and then I'll paint it white
<v Speaker 2>and creates the franken Stratt look, which is the thing
<v Speaker 2>that we all associate, all associate with.
<v Speaker 3>That that's become their iconic look. And later he puts
<v Speaker 3>more tape on it, paints it red.
<v Speaker 2>Red. Yes, the first one. If you look at the
<v Speaker 2>if you look at the Van Handelin debut album, you'll
<v Speaker 2>see he's got a white guitar with black stripes. Later on,
<v Speaker 2>like you said, paints puts more tape on it, paints
<v Speaker 2>it red, and then you've got red with the black
<v Speaker 2>and the white.
<v Speaker 3>It's so cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's great. Yeah, work of art,
<v Speaker 2>just out of just kind of dumb luck. Really.
<v Speaker 3>So now they're playing the clubs.
<v Speaker 2>They're playing the clubs, and they've got a huge following
<v Speaker 2>when they're in the when they're in gazaries, they've got
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred people in they're listening to them. But the
<v Speaker 2>problem is the rest of the world doesn't care about
<v Speaker 2>rock and roll.
<v Speaker 3>It's right late seventies, this is the time of the
<v Speaker 3>beg's and disco Saturday night fever.
<v Speaker 2>The only guys who are getting any songs out there
<v Speaker 2>even a little bit, are like Aerosmith and Kiss.
<v Speaker 3>So speaking of Kiss, one night, while Van Halen's.
<v Speaker 2>Playing, Yeah, it's at the Starwood, which is another club
<v Speaker 2>there on the Sunset Strip, Geene Simmons happens to be
<v Speaker 2>in the audience and he's he comes to them immediately
<v Speaker 2>after the show and they're like, oh my gosh, there's
<v Speaker 2>Gene Simmons and he doesn't have any makeup on and
<v Speaker 2>it's amazing and he's like, has anybody signed you guys,
<v Speaker 2>and they're like no, they well who's managing nobody? Well, okay,
<v Speaker 2>come with me. I'm going to take you to New
<v Speaker 2>York City. We're going to make a demo and we're
<v Speaker 2>going to get you guys signed. That's right, And that's
<v Speaker 2>exactly what they do there. They go, this young, excited
<v Speaker 2>band that's been playing hard for four or five years now.
<v Speaker 2>They go and they they do the songs they by
<v Speaker 2>the time.
<v Speaker 3>At this time, I mean at this time, Gene Simmons
<v Speaker 3>is one of the biggest rock stars in the world, absolutely,
<v Speaker 3>and he shows up and says, I want to make
<v Speaker 3>you guys the next big thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which to I mean, if I was in that situation,
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, that's it, We've made it. We don't
<v Speaker 2>have anything else to worry about. Gene Simmons loves us.
<v Speaker 2>We've got a full album worth of original material that
<v Speaker 2>we know backwards and forwards because we play it every
<v Speaker 2>single night. They go and they record their album. One
<v Speaker 2>problem is they can't use their own instruments, so they
<v Speaker 2>lose the sound that Eddie had spent so long creating.
<v Speaker 2>And then the other problem is that album promptly does
<v Speaker 2>check Swatt. Yeah, because Gene Simmons said, I don't think
<v Speaker 2>you guys should call yourself in Halen.
<v Speaker 3>I think you guys ought to change your name to
<v Speaker 3>Daddy long.
<v Speaker 2>Legs, Daddy long Legs Long Legs, which who knows, maybe
<v Speaker 2>that would have worked. I don't.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not the same thing.
<v Speaker 3>And they do the right thing. When Gene Simmons tells
<v Speaker 3>you to do something after he had branded Kiss, there's
<v Speaker 3>going to be a big temptation to change.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how do you not how do you I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if you're if you're with that iconic figure, how do
<v Speaker 2>you not go? Yeah, that sounds great. Whatever you say, Gene,
<v Speaker 2>you're the man.
<v Speaker 3>You're worth a bazillion dollars, mister Simmons, I'll do whatever
<v Speaker 3>you say, right, but they say no. Dad irritated him
<v Speaker 3>and he made the comment, these guys are never going
<v Speaker 3>to make.
<v Speaker 2>It, right yeah, And then and his management thought the
<v Speaker 2>same thing, They're never going to make it. So all
<v Speaker 2>of this excitement, all of this anticipation, and the result
<v Speaker 2>is a demo tape with songs that aren't aren't played
<v Speaker 2>on their own instruments. Marshall Burrow is the one who's
<v Speaker 2>who talks too Suston and Ted Templeman and says, these
<v Speaker 2>guys are going to be playing at the Whiskey, Go
<v Speaker 2>go tonight, go check them out. And this rainy, slow evening,
<v Speaker 2>maybe forty people in the crowd, not really the best
<v Speaker 2>crowd to be doing an audition for the Warner Brothers records.
<v Speaker 3>And they liked it.
<v Speaker 2>They heard yeah, yeah, they loved it. They came back
<v Speaker 2>and they said, boys, we want to sign you. So
<v Speaker 2>then the next thing that happens is they've signed this contract.
<v Speaker 2>They're ready to start touring to put their put their
<v Speaker 2>performances on the world stage. And so they join the
<v Speaker 2>tour of a band called I Don't Know Montrose Mantos
<v Speaker 2>and a band called Journey.
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure everybody's heard of Journey, and most of
<v Speaker 2>you've heard of Montrose. But what you may not know
<v Speaker 2>is who the lead singer of Montrose is.
<v Speaker 3>Sammy Hagar.
<v Speaker 2>Sammy Hagar, that's right. So yes, an odd coincidence. And
<v Speaker 2>here's an interesting bit of information that came out. You know, people,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people were not impressed with David Lee Roth,
<v Speaker 2>and among those were the Warner Brothers. Guys. They didn't
<v Speaker 2>appreciate what he brought to the stage. And to be honest,
<v Speaker 2>David Lee Roth doesn't have a stellar voice. And as
<v Speaker 2>it turns out, they proposed some other singers and propositioned
<v Speaker 2>some other singers, and one of the singers that they
<v Speaker 2>propositioned was Samy Hagar. Sammy Hagar. Yeah, And he did
<v Speaker 2>not disclose this until just in the last I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>three or four years, I would say, but he yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he was approached early on. You take Dave's spot, and
<v Speaker 2>unbeknownst to the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 3>It's incredible. You know, Dave brings charisma, a stage presence.
<v Speaker 3>As we see later, the splits and the jumps and
<v Speaker 3>the yells. It's crazy that he was that underappreciated right
<v Speaker 3>out of the gate.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And so they're so good on tour, they're so
<v Speaker 2>incredible that they are outperforming Montrose, they are out performing Journey.
<v Speaker 2>And their sound guy has said, you know, the Montrose
<v Speaker 2>guys were cool, but I know that the Journey guys
<v Speaker 2>were mad that they were losing cheers and girls and
<v Speaker 2>other stuff, and I know they sabotaged our sound system.
<v Speaker 2>Things would happen. Then there was just no way that
<v Speaker 2>that happened unless we were being sabotaged. And so they
<v Speaker 2>changed their tour. They took them instead of playing the US,
<v Speaker 2>they took them out to Europe to start opening for
<v Speaker 2>Black Sabbath. Now, Black Sabbath was a band that they had,
<v Speaker 2>they had sat and learned the songs they were the
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you listened to Van Halen's music and you
<v Speaker 2>you know, oh yeah, those guys had to be influenced
<v Speaker 2>by Black Sabbath. And now they're opening for them, and
<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, they're also blowing them off the stage.
<v Speaker 2>And that's a quote from Ozzy Osbourne himself. Ozzy Osbourne said,
<v Speaker 2>every night they would blow us off the stage. Wow.
<v Speaker 3>That's really cool.
<v Speaker 2>So they're doing these tours. They had released the album
<v Speaker 2>which we're about to jump into here in a second,
<v Speaker 2>in early nineteen seventy eight. But before even they did
<v Speaker 2>that early release album, before they started all these tours,
<v Speaker 2>they released a single. Do you know the single that
<v Speaker 2>they released.
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing that the single was You Really Got Me?
<v Speaker 2>That is correct. That was the first single that they released,
<v Speaker 2>and it's questionable whether they really wanted that to be
<v Speaker 2>their first release. I know for sure that Eddie didn't
<v Speaker 2>want it to be their first release. He was actually
<v Speaker 2>really disappointed that their first that their debut single was
<v Speaker 2>a cover.
<v Speaker 3>And that makes sense to me because Running with the
<v Speaker 3>Devil is a very strong song and seemingly perfect leadoff.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had been playing it for years. It was
<v Speaker 2>on the demo tape that they had done with Gene Simmons.
<v Speaker 2>It is an awesome song. But here's the story behind
<v Speaker 2>the story on this one. Okay. So they've got their
<v Speaker 2>demo tape that they've done with Ted Templeman, the guy
<v Speaker 2>from Warner Brothers, and Eddie is super excited and he's
<v Speaker 2>playing it for friends and acquaintances and acquaintances of acquaintances,
<v Speaker 2>and one of those guys that he plays it for
<v Speaker 2>is Barry Brandt.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Arry Brandt.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Barry Brandt, who none of us know, right, but
<v Speaker 2>who happened at the time to be the drummer for
<v Speaker 2>a band called Angela. Angel was another band that Gene
<v Speaker 2>Simmons had discovered, but one that had actually signed with
<v Speaker 2>the record label. Now have you heard of Angel before?
<v Speaker 2>Not until you just mentioned it, No, right, So I
<v Speaker 2>hadn't either. Now we talked about the fact that that
<v Speaker 2>they had done a cover for their original release. This
<v Speaker 2>Really You Really Got Me was originally sung by The
<v Speaker 2>Kinks back in nineteen released back in nineteen sixty four,
<v Speaker 2>and it's the perfect type of song for some hard
<v Speaker 2>rock You really Got Me, No, it got It's an awesome,
<v Speaker 2>awesome song. It was a great hit for the Kinks
<v Speaker 2>and influenced a lot of the hard rock that came
<v Speaker 2>after that. But the idea that hey, fourteen years later,
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be popular again suddenly was very enticing
<v Speaker 2>to Barry brand Because the next day Ted Templeman calls
<v Speaker 2>Eddie and said, did you play the tape for somebody?
<v Speaker 2>And He's like, I played it for a bunch of people.
<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about? He's like, you a hole
<v Speaker 2>that there's a band out there called Angel that's about
<v Speaker 2>to try to record that song and release it. We
<v Speaker 2>have to record it first and release it, or we're
<v Speaker 2>going to be the second ones to the table. And
<v Speaker 2>so in a mad dash, they go and record their
<v Speaker 2>studio version that we've all heard and get it out
<v Speaker 2>and release it to the public before Angel is able
<v Speaker 2>to do the same, and his history is written. That's incredible,
<v Speaker 2>and Angel fades into the cloudy dust of history. So
<v Speaker 2>now that we're here, let's start talking about the actual
<v Speaker 2>debut album's way yeah, oh yeah, okay, fantastic, Okay. So
<v Speaker 2>it's nineteen seventy eight. They're putting together this album. Their
<v Speaker 2>first release is You Really Got Me. It blows up.
<v Speaker 7>You really got it now?
<v Speaker 4>Go on, don't know what.
<v Speaker 5>You really got it?
<v Speaker 6>Now?
<v Speaker 3>Who got us?
<v Speaker 4>On?
<v Speaker 5>You have some bad?
<v Speaker 7>Right?
<v Speaker 3>That's so awesome.
<v Speaker 2>It is so awesome. You Really Got Me reached number
<v Speaker 2>thirty six on the Hot one hundred among a whole
<v Speaker 2>bunch of disco and op and punk rock songs. Not
<v Speaker 2>bad for your first thing, No, not bad at all.
<v Speaker 2>And so the first time I ever heard. It was
<v Speaker 2>when I was watching the movie night Shift, which right right,
<v Speaker 2>a movie by Ron Howard, Michael Keaton and Michael Keaton
<v Speaker 2>and Henry Winkler the fauns himself. Yes, And the premise
<v Speaker 2>of the movie is these guys work in a morgan
<v Speaker 2>and decide to open a prostitution ring inside of the morgue.
<v Speaker 3>That movie is so funny.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. So there's a scene where Henry Winkler, who
<v Speaker 2>is so not the fawns in this movie, here's you
<v Speaker 2>really got me playing, as he's walking into the building
<v Speaker 2>and he's all confused and he opens the door to
<v Speaker 2>this ridiculous frat party and Michael Keaton's got like a
<v Speaker 2>belt around his head like a headband and party a
<v Speaker 2>hard with half naked prostitutes all over the place, and
<v Speaker 2>Henry Winkler is freaking out, I don't.
<v Speaker 7>Know about your people, this is a morgue.
<v Speaker 5>You're partying in a morgue.
<v Speaker 4>You don't believe me, let's.
<v Speaker 2>And he tries to pull out this reality dead body
<v Speaker 2>to show him. Turns out it's just a frat boy
<v Speaker 2>and a prostitute inside of the cadaver box. And the
<v Speaker 2>boy was Howard Clint Howard, So You Really Got Me
<v Speaker 2>is released, and then they released the album itself. Now
<v Speaker 2>imagine how everyone felt the first time that they plug
<v Speaker 2>that album in and listened to that sound and that face.
<v Speaker 6>Coming, I live my life back this, don't borrow all
<v Speaker 6>I've got feel he start on me stuck that over
<v Speaker 6>road you son living.
<v Speaker 7>At us pas.
<v Speaker 2>So that sound that you hear at the beginning that
<v Speaker 2>is obviously not a musical instrument is car horns, And
<v Speaker 2>as it turns out, it's it's a stunt that they
<v Speaker 2>did a tactic that they used on stage. They took
<v Speaker 2>the car horns out of their cars and hooked them
<v Speaker 2>up to a car battery and would play. Even when
<v Speaker 2>they played the show live, it would have that car
<v Speaker 2>horn introduction. And so they went ahead and brought him
<v Speaker 2>into the studio. Ted Templeman slowed him down there a
<v Speaker 2>bit at the end that you can you can hear
<v Speaker 2>the slowdown. It's almost the Doppler effect as though it's
<v Speaker 2>going by, and then that hard hitting bass, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>God bless them. They've got the guy who's redefining how
<v Speaker 2>to play guitar, and they start the first song on
<v Speaker 2>the first album with car horns and the bass. But
<v Speaker 2>they're letting, they're letting everybody know where about hard rock.
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the those rock songs that has
<v Speaker 2>two guitar solos in it, which is pretty unique for
<v Speaker 2>that for any time. Really, not a whole lot of
<v Speaker 2>songs you can get two guitar solos. But why wouldn't
<v Speaker 2>you do that? If you've got ady van hands, you.
<v Speaker 3>Got a n van Halen, you let him play as
<v Speaker 3>much as possible.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you want to play more.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's right. They recorded this album for forty thousand dollars,
<v Speaker 3>took three weeks to record and that's it.
<v Speaker 2>So Run with the Double is not only the first
<v Speaker 2>song that you hear on the album, it is their
<v Speaker 2>second single that they released. Yes, and it does well.
<v Speaker 2>It reaches number eighty four on the Top one hundred, which, again,
<v Speaker 2>at this time, with the taste in music as it is,
<v Speaker 2>that's a great feat for a band's debut album.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so tell me about fingertapping and eruption.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the b side to Running with the Douvil
<v Speaker 2>is eruption. It's also the second song on the on
<v Speaker 2>the album, and it's almost all Eddie, so I can
<v Speaker 2>remember vividly watching Eddie perform this live on stage. I
<v Speaker 2>hadn't you know. We should probably explain that I was
<v Speaker 2>born in nineteen seventy five. I was not listening to
<v Speaker 2>to Van Halen when I was three years old. The
<v Speaker 2>introduction that I had to Van Halen was nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 3>Me too, right, I was born in nineteen seventy three, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>but nineteen eighty four was first time I was paying
<v Speaker 3>attention to him.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Nineteen eighty four was one of three tapes that
<v Speaker 2>were the first three tapes that I ever owned. It
<v Speaker 2>was nineteen eighty four minute work and Wham a collection
<v Speaker 2>of music there for you. That was a great song.
<v Speaker 2>So Eruption, I can remember the first time I saw it,
<v Speaker 2>and it was a live performance and it was actually
<v Speaker 2>at the time that they were with Sammy Hagar. That
<v Speaker 2>way was by then that I had actually I heard
<v Speaker 2>Eruption for the first time and was was floored by it.
<v Speaker 2>And so I knew at that point that that Eddie
<v Speaker 2>did fingertapping and what was involved there. But this this
<v Speaker 2>finger tapping that he does interruption. I looked at that
<v Speaker 2>and I was just like, this isn't this isn't rock
<v Speaker 2>and roll. This is classical music. Okay, it's rock and
<v Speaker 2>roll and class it's I don't know what it is.
<v Speaker 2>It's like something amazing and undefinable. But I totally so.
<v Speaker 2>When I was growing up, I was I was into
<v Speaker 2>classical music. There was an album called Hooked on the
<v Speaker 2>Classics that came out and like I think eighty two,
<v Speaker 2>and I loved it.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, that's spent about the time chipbun punk came out
<v Speaker 3>and there.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's exactly right. Yes, yeah, so I was
<v Speaker 2>listening to the Chipmunks and Bach and Beethoven and Mozar.
<v Speaker 3>All right, that's right, good job.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so I don't know what kind of street
<v Speaker 2>cred I'm gonna get for that. But anyway, when I
<v Speaker 2>heard Eddie van Halen performing Eruption, I was like, this
<v Speaker 2>is classical music. And not only that I knew the song.
<v Speaker 2>Did you ever watch twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea,
<v Speaker 2>the Disney movie that had like it, no Captain Nemo
<v Speaker 2>and they're in the submarine and they got the big
<v Speaker 2>squid that attacks them.
<v Speaker 3>Well, familiar with it, but I've never seen it.
<v Speaker 2>There's a part of that movie for anybody who's seen it,
<v Speaker 2>where Captain Nemo, who's played by George good Old George.
<v Speaker 3>George Everybody, George Mason, George Mason, George Mason.
<v Speaker 2>And so he's Captain Nemo and he's got this organ
<v Speaker 2>and they kind of read if you watched any of
<v Speaker 2>the Pirates of the Caribbean, and they've kind of done
<v Speaker 2>the same type of they reimagined that with the squid
<v Speaker 2>guy there. But anyway, he's playing this song and the
<v Speaker 2>song is boxed Takata and fugue, and it kicks but
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if it was written several hundred years ago.
<v Speaker 2>It kicks butt. And when I'm listening to Eddie van
<v Speaker 2>Halen playing Eruption live on stage, I'm like, that is
<v Speaker 2>Takata and fugue, but it's not. It is, but it's not.
<v Speaker 2>So I want to I want you to listen to it. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you see what I'm saying here. Let's here, Okay, So
<v Speaker 2>this this is the scene from twenty thousand Leagues. So
<v Speaker 2>now let's listen to the live performance by Eddie. So
<v Speaker 2>we can't is to part Now that's from Learning to
<v Speaker 2>Hims right there, right, So that one is probably that
<v Speaker 2>one is probably actually from Franz's list which was a
<v Speaker 2>very prominent song that you would hear in looney Tunes.
<v Speaker 2>But remember Eddie's classically trained on the piano. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>that's his influence. Say what you will about his influences.
<v Speaker 2>He'll say that pretty much his only influence was Eric Clapton,
<v Speaker 2>and he would learn all of Eric Clapton's songs. Eric
<v Speaker 2>Clapton was called slow hand Eddie. No one would dare
<v Speaker 2>call that to him, but that was it. That's all
<v Speaker 2>he'll say. But there's no question that the classics, the
<v Speaker 2>classical composers, are the ones that really influenced the music
<v Speaker 2>that he plays, especially on eruption. So as you pointed out,
<v Speaker 2>there are special techniques that are involved there with eruption.
<v Speaker 2>So Eddie goes when they're younger, he goes and they
<v Speaker 2>get to watch led Zeppelin play, like led Zeppelin's playing
<v Speaker 2>in California at that time, and so he gets to
<v Speaker 2>go see him. And at some point Jimmy Page has
<v Speaker 2>got his guitar. He's got his left hand on the guitar,
<v Speaker 2>which is where he pressed the front board, and your
<v Speaker 2>right hand is normally what strums, but Jimmy's got his
<v Speaker 2>hand up in the air like pointing like I'm number one,
<v Speaker 2>like we're awesome, that kind of thing. But he's still
<v Speaker 2>playing with his left hand, and he's what he's doing
<v Speaker 2>is he's pounding on the string with the finger, which
<v Speaker 2>causes it to make a sound, and then pulling that
<v Speaker 2>off as though he's kind of plucking it to also
<v Speaker 2>make it make another sound. And so that's Those are
<v Speaker 2>called hammer ons and pull offs. Not terribly creative, but
<v Speaker 2>easy to understand, right, right, So Eddie's watching this, he
<v Speaker 2>sees him do this, and the inspiration is there for him,
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I can do that. I could do
<v Speaker 2>that with both hands. Yeah right, I mean he's got
<v Speaker 2>one hand in the air. He's not even using the hand.
<v Speaker 2>If I took that hand and put it on the
<v Speaker 2>front board with the other fingers, I'm not just able
<v Speaker 2>to play two notes now, I'm not just able to
<v Speaker 2>play three notes. I can play four and five notes.
<v Speaker 2>I could because I can tap on the strings and
<v Speaker 2>do my hammer ons and my pull offs with my
<v Speaker 2>right hand. And that's tap and that's the that is
<v Speaker 2>that that is really the key thing that he brought
<v Speaker 2>to the lead guitar scene for the next twenty years.
<v Speaker 3>All right, So that's the end of episode one Van Helen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna come back next week and do part two.
<v Speaker 3>The Rise and Fall of Daily Rock.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so hang on for that one. Come join us
<v Speaker 2>and you'll get to hear some fun stuff. We'll play
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of that for you right now. They
<v Speaker 2>came back from the tour and they were exhausted. Eleven
<v Speaker 2>solid months on tour.
<v Speaker 3>And eleven months of killing it every night, hard work,
<v Speaker 3>and get back. The manager of the record company says,
<v Speaker 3>great job, you guys did awesome. You go us three
<v Speaker 3>million dollars in a new record.
<v Speaker 2>What sweezee.
<v Speaker 3>So Guinness Book World Record. They got one point five
<v Speaker 3>million dollars for ninety minutes.
<v Speaker 2>They make more money than anybody has for that. But
<v Speaker 2>tensions are still high.
<v Speaker 3>Tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour can't
<v Speaker 3>cure some of the tensions that are going on now.
<v Speaker 3>So during nineteen eighty three, they begin working on a
<v Speaker 3>new album, YEP, to come out at the very end
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen eighty three YEP, and that album is called
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty four. This is a new Van Halen.
<v Speaker 2>The diehard Van Halen fans are getting mixed reviews. Some
<v Speaker 2>of them are sticking with them. Some of them are like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on with these guys. You
<v Speaker 2>get those guys who think they sold out, and so
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not
<v Speaker 2>interested anymore. Yeah, I don't care about you, right.
<v Speaker 3>Guys, Hot for Teacher comes out with the young van
<v Speaker 3>Halen boys running around the school terrorizing. Right, you've got
<v Speaker 3>miss fed fized and misspelled and miss science or whatever,
<v Speaker 3>and the misspelled teachers running around.
<v Speaker 2>You've got his kind of awkwardly sighing mother. And then
<v Speaker 2>when Waldo speaks, he's got this unusually deep voice. So, oh, mom, Yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not like other guys.
<v Speaker 3>I'm nervous than my socks there too. You know who
<v Speaker 3>that voice is right now? That voice is Phil Hartman
<v Speaker 3>of Saturday Nightliner two.
<v Speaker 2>Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul. Their success is
<v Speaker 2>beyond what has it has ever been in history. They
<v Speaker 2>are literally at the top of their game.
<v Speaker 3>And this is where it falls apart. So eight o'clock
<v Speaker 3>in the morning, they're supposed to be there to write
<v Speaker 3>and play music. Dave would show about eleven, start a
<v Speaker 3>fight and then.
<v Speaker 2>He, unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another group of
<v Speaker 2>guys to play with, produces an album, a four song album,
<v Speaker 2>which he says, Hey, you know, any album's only got
<v Speaker 2>four good songs on it. Anyway, I'm just cutting off
<v Speaker 2>the fat. As it turned out, there are only really
<v Speaker 2>two good songs on the album. This is the ego
<v Speaker 2>speaking right here. He does an interview with David Letterman
<v Speaker 2>in early eighty five talking about that album, and Dave
<v Speaker 2>is trying to find out what's going to happen with
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 7>I think now's a good time on New Year's to
<v Speaker 7>decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or
<v Speaker 7>a little weenie.
<v Speaker 2>When you're doing solo work. Is the is the Does
<v Speaker 2>this mean that the band will soon be breaking up?
<v Speaker 7>No, No, that happens, you know. No, I still have
<v Speaker 7>very I still have very strong tribal instincts. And we'll
<v Speaker 7>be going into the studio like the middle of this
<v Speaker 7>month and start arguing again, and we'll come back out
<v Speaker 7>with an album sometime this year, hopefully.
<v Speaker 2>He has this full expectation that the band's going to
<v Speaker 2>stay together. But you can't be the guy who goes
<v Speaker 2>and trashes the meetings. The guy who orates somebody for
<v Speaker 2>going and doing work with other people and then pull
<v Speaker 2>off this stunt and expect to remain in a band.
<v Speaker 7>Boom Buddy, Boom Badia, Boom Buddy Buddy.
<v Speaker 2>Dave is out.
<v Speaker 3>Dave's out in nineteen eighty five, right at the pinnacle
<v Speaker 3>of their professional career. Do van Hagar?
<v Speaker 2>The first time I heard it was on the movie
<v Speaker 2>Joe Dirt. No, sir man, I don't like that crap.
<v Speaker 3>I'm a rocker dude through and through.
<v Speaker 5>Here's my favorite bands, AC DC, van Halen, not van Hagar.
<v Speaker 7>Who cureous about the clouds when we're to.
<v Speaker 3>Call Sammy officially joins the band in nineteen eighty five,
<v Speaker 3>just sing us ang and thing bout Sonny.
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