Ep:149 Dogmen Of The Mississinewa

<v Speaker 1>Back in two thousand and seven, I came in contact
<v Speaker 1>with some sort of a upright walking caneine creature. I
<v Speaker 1>never talked about what happened to me, but it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>until I really started reaching out to people in the
<v Speaker 1>last two years that I've heard more and more about
<v Speaker 1>this locally. So in the last six months, I've really
<v Speaker 1>been trying to hammer out locations and mapping things, and
<v Speaker 1>I started seeing patterns with stuff, and I've gotten more information,
<v Speaker 1>and there's way too much weird activity going on in
<v Speaker 1>such a small, little isolated area that's called the Missus
<v Speaker 1>Sinewal Wrangle because the area is the Missus Siniwal and
<v Speaker 1>it's all tied around the Missus Senihal River.
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to welcome Brandon to the show. Brandon is
<v Speaker 2>the host of Tinfoil Tails podcast. You've heard him on
<v Speaker 2>this show before, and I wanted to invite him back
<v Speaker 2>to talk about a project that he's undertaken and that
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of interesting things tied to it. Brandon,
<v Speaker 2>thanks for joining me, not a problem, thanks for having
<v Speaker 2>me out. Yeah, So just real fast for people who
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard you or heard you on here before, can
<v Speaker 2>we just real quick go over what happened that started
<v Speaker 2>you down this path.
<v Speaker 1>Basically, back in two thousand and seven, I came in
<v Speaker 1>contact with some sort of a upright walking cane Ian creature.
<v Speaker 1>It's caused me to go down the path that I'm in. Basically,
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for other people that have had the same,
<v Speaker 1>similar experiences, and I've actually been digging up information which
<v Speaker 1>has led me to believe that there are more than
<v Speaker 1>just that around here, because there's been a lot of
<v Speaker 1>people that have now reached out to me from my
<v Speaker 1>area with a lot of these weird experiences of what
<v Speaker 1>they've been calling werewolves. But I've also got a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people talking about bigfoot stuff. So there's a whole
<v Speaker 1>lot of weird stuff going on in this very small
<v Speaker 1>little area.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you and I are friends. We talk all
<v Speaker 2>the time, and that's one of the things that you
<v Speaker 2>and I have discussed, just the amount of people that
<v Speaker 2>have stories from your area. And it's not like a
<v Speaker 2>hugely populated area or anything, but you have just a
<v Speaker 2>high concentration of sightings of cryptids and paranormal events and
<v Speaker 2>just all kinds of really weird stuff. When did you
<v Speaker 2>start hearing like about similar things to what you experienced.
<v Speaker 1>The land itself is rich with history, but I never
<v Speaker 1>paid attention to a lot of the stories or the
<v Speaker 1>legends or anything. Until the last five or six years.
<v Speaker 1>I really started paying more attention to stuff because I
<v Speaker 1>never talked about what happened to me, right, And it
<v Speaker 1>wasn't until like twenty nineteen twenty twenty I really started
<v Speaker 1>to like listen to podcasts I get into that, So
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know, Like I used to watch the
<v Speaker 1>shows on TVs about where they go out and look
<v Speaker 1>for Bigfoot or anything like that, but I never had
<v Speaker 1>anything close. But it wasn't until I really started reaching
<v Speaker 1>out to people in the last two years that I've
<v Speaker 1>heard more and more about this locally. So in the
<v Speaker 1>last six months, I've really been trying to hammer out
<v Speaker 1>locations and mapping things, and I started seeing patterns with stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and I've gotten more information and it's just all starting
<v Speaker 1>to come together, and it's just kind of like, I've
<v Speaker 1>got to do something more with this because there's way
<v Speaker 1>too much weird activity going on in's such a small,
<v Speaker 1>little isolated area.
<v Speaker 2>So talk a little bit about the project that you
<v Speaker 2>decided to do with a documentary.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm attempting to make a documentary about this area.
<v Speaker 1>It's called the Missus Sinewal Triangle because the area is
<v Speaker 1>the Missus Sinowal and it's all tied around the Missus
<v Speaker 1>Siniwal River. For anyone that's not familiar with Indiana, the
<v Speaker 1>name should give it away of what this used to be.
<v Speaker 1>This was all Native American lands and there were multiple
<v Speaker 1>tribes that lived along the river systems. There was the Delaware,
<v Speaker 1>there were the Pottawatamie, the Shawnees were up north, but
<v Speaker 1>this main area was all the Miami Indians. So there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of lore from the Native Americans that has
<v Speaker 1>tied into this. But basically, if anyone's familiar with how
<v Speaker 1>Native American lands are, like the burial sites, this and that,
<v Speaker 1>there's usually reports of weird activity. Yeah, just because of
<v Speaker 1>the history of what happened here, which we'll talk about
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, I think that plays a lot into it.
<v Speaker 1>Because there's there is a lot to unpack with all
<v Speaker 1>of this.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, did you have any idea that there was
<v Speaker 2>this much stuff before you started this project?
<v Speaker 1>Even No, if I did, I probably wouldn't have attempted,
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, there's just so much to it, like
<v Speaker 1>i'd send you something a little bit like this afternoon,
<v Speaker 1>I was digging through history stuff and there's a location
<v Speaker 1>that we've actually been to when we filmed, and I've
<v Speaker 1>had multiple people talk to me about the specific spot.
<v Speaker 1>So what I uncovered today, this specific location is where
<v Speaker 1>to come see which was one of the big chieftains
<v Speaker 1>war chiefs at the time. This is back in like
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen eighteen hundreds. He was gathering all of the
<v Speaker 1>tribes together because they wanted to become a confederation. He
<v Speaker 1>wanted to lead all of the different tribes and they
<v Speaker 1>had a meeting spot on the west side of the
<v Speaker 1>Mississinawa River where it connects to the Walbash. This isn't
<v Speaker 1>a little town called Peru. This area has been hotspot
<v Speaker 1>for people seeing quote unquote werewolves. There was a guy
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety that saw one. He said it came
<v Speaker 1>into his camp pour stuff up when they were down
<v Speaker 1>there camping along the river. I had someone come up
<v Speaker 1>to me this past October when I was doing a
<v Speaker 1>speaking session here in town, because I was again trying
<v Speaker 1>to find more people to come forward. He said. In
<v Speaker 1>the mid nineties and when some buddies were riding their
<v Speaker 1>bicycles down in there, like on the trails or whatever
<v Speaker 1>by the river, and the werewolf came out after them. Now,
<v Speaker 1>each one of these said these things were on two feet,
<v Speaker 1>so it's not like it was a wolf. So that's
<v Speaker 1>in that area. Well, just recently I've now discovered that
<v Speaker 1>just not too far from that area, there's been a
<v Speaker 1>big foot sighting. I don't remember the exact year. And
<v Speaker 1>then back in June, I have a video that was
<v Speaker 1>sent to me someone recorded a UFO flying over the
<v Speaker 1>same exact spot. There's been a lot of weird activity
<v Speaker 1>in this specific area. Well, the document that I sent
<v Speaker 1>you today was like from a fifty page historical fact written.
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know like where they got it from,
<v Speaker 1>but that specific area is where they had this meeting at,
<v Speaker 1>which was an old village. And then in the later
<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds, about fifty years after this meeting, for some reason,
<v Speaker 1>they decided that they were going to park all the
<v Speaker 1>stuff for the circus. Because for anyone not familiar with Peru,
<v Speaker 1>we are the circus capital of the world. They chose
<v Speaker 1>to build this circus area to where all the circuses
<v Speaker 1>around here parked all their stuff. For the winter. So
<v Speaker 1>all the lions, all the people, all the carnies, all
<v Speaker 1>the everything involved with the circus was all in the
<v Speaker 1>same exact spot too. That's where they put the circus camp. Yes, wow,
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy, of all the places that they could, especially
<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen hundreds, Like even today, it's still like
<v Speaker 1>it's a small town and it just fields. Why does
<v Speaker 1>everyone keep migrating right to this same inner action where
<v Speaker 1>the rivers meet. Because to give a geographic description of
<v Speaker 1>how everything plays out, the Walbash River meets up with
<v Speaker 1>the miss Sinewa River, and then you go down a
<v Speaker 1>few more miles, and then eventually the Hill River meets
<v Speaker 1>up with the Walbash River. You keep going, and then
<v Speaker 1>the Deer Creek runs into the Walbash, and the Wabash
<v Speaker 1>just keeps going and it goes all the way down
<v Speaker 1>to the Ohio River. So the Walbash is a very
<v Speaker 1>predominant river system which conveniently runs right through the middle
<v Speaker 1>of Peru, which is where all the weird stuff seem
<v Speaker 1>to be happening, right where the miss Cinema and the
<v Speaker 1>Walbash connect. And anyone that knows anything about paranormal or
<v Speaker 1>high strangeness or any type of weird activity. They all
<v Speaker 1>say that water is a conduit for and I think
<v Speaker 1>there's even more to it than that, because at least
<v Speaker 1>in this area specifically, we had all the Native Americans
<v Speaker 1>that were here. But in eighteen twelve, the US Army
<v Speaker 1>decided that they were going to wipe them out, so
<v Speaker 1>they started burning down the villages, forcing them to move
<v Speaker 1>out west, and whoever didn't leave were basically murdered and
<v Speaker 1>tossed into the river. So not only do you have
<v Speaker 1>all of that, now you bring in the circus aspect
<v Speaker 1>to the same exact spot, and who knows what all
<v Speaker 1>types of weird stuff happened. We've discussed this before, like
<v Speaker 1>circus people that worked for the circus, especially back in
<v Speaker 1>those days, you don't know what type of people you're
<v Speaker 1>actually dealing with.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no offense to any current circus performers or anything,
<v Speaker 2>but I mean it's not just all performers. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's hired help or whatever. And back then, you know, hey,
<v Speaker 2>if you're willing to do the work, they weren't going
<v Speaker 2>to ask any questions. It was a good way to
<v Speaker 2>travel around the country if you were the type of
<v Speaker 2>individual that didn't want to get caught staying in one
<v Speaker 2>location for too long. A lot of criminal types I
<v Speaker 2>found work with circuses.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this was right at the end of the
<v Speaker 1>Civil War, so you had a lot of people that
<v Speaker 1>were already out doing stuff for the war coming back
<v Speaker 1>and they needed something to do well. They may have
<v Speaker 1>joined up with the circus, and who knows what type
<v Speaker 1>of stuff they don't during the wars. Who is to
<v Speaker 1>say they don't join the circus and they travel around
<v Speaker 1>all the time and continue the ways of doing things.
<v Speaker 1>Or they could have been a bad person in general
<v Speaker 1>and needed to get away. So there's all sorts of
<v Speaker 1>aspects to it that could be tied into a lot
<v Speaker 1>of the weirdness that goes on in this area. The
<v Speaker 1>other thing, and I have no proof of this at all,
<v Speaker 1>so this is just me hair bringing idea. But we
<v Speaker 1>also have an Air Force base that's not far from here.
<v Speaker 1>It is literally just ten miles away. It is no
<v Speaker 1>longer an active Air Force base. Supposedly they still fly
<v Speaker 1>out of there. They still do refueling missions and they
<v Speaker 1>do things like that, but it's not considered an active duty.
<v Speaker 1>I've always wondered why they picked that specific area for
<v Speaker 1>the air Force base. I'm not exactly sure when it
<v Speaker 1>was built. I think it was built in the sixties.
<v Speaker 1>But of all places, just a random spot they build
<v Speaker 1>an air force base.
<v Speaker 2>Well, historically there's a lot of bigfoot sightings around military
<v Speaker 2>bases for some reason, and I've never really understood that
<v Speaker 2>one myself, other than just maybe geographically where they put
<v Speaker 2>military bases happen to be spots that bigfoot also live.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you have all kinds of sightings around military bases,
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't really surprise me here that there's like
<v Speaker 2>an air force base nearby to your location, because, like
<v Speaker 2>you said, it's not just you know, dog men or
<v Speaker 2>as they used to be referred to, werewolves. It's bigfoot,
<v Speaker 2>it's aliens, it's little people, it's everything.
<v Speaker 1>So I just googled. The base was built in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>forty two. It didn't become Gristlom Air Force Base until
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight. That's why I was thinking as the sixties,
<v Speaker 1>that's just when they named it that it used to
<v Speaker 1>just be a bunker Hill Naval Air station. So they
<v Speaker 1>built that in nineteen forty two, so I actually think
<v Speaker 1>that was before we were involved in World War Two.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and then in the nineteen sixties is when
<v Speaker 1>they also built the Missiniwa Reservoir, which there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of weird stuff about that too, which again the more
<v Speaker 1>and more I keep digging, the more and more weird
<v Speaker 1>stuff comes about with it. So I don't understand. The
<v Speaker 1>reason that has been explained as to why they built
<v Speaker 1>this dam is because they wanted to stop the flooding
<v Speaker 1>from the miss Cinema into Peru, because when the miss
<v Speaker 1>Sinhala would flood, it would hit the wall bash and
<v Speaker 1>it would flood all of that end of town. And
<v Speaker 1>I guess back in the early nineteen hundreds, where the
<v Speaker 1>circus was keeping a lot of the people and the
<v Speaker 1>animals and stuff which used to be where that old
<v Speaker 1>village was for the Native Americans, it flooded so bad
<v Speaker 1>that it actually killed a lot of the animals. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure if any of the actual people
<v Speaker 1>that were working that were staying there, if they drowned
<v Speaker 1>or not, but I know a lot of animals died
<v Speaker 1>during that flood, So again that's another tragic thing that
<v Speaker 1>happened in this same very spot.
<v Speaker 2>Do you know of any Native American burial sites around there?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't it's not right at that spot, but
<v Speaker 1>just a couple miles down there is a place that
<v Speaker 1>is rumored to be called an old burial ground. I've
<v Speaker 1>actually got someone from the tribe lined up to speak
<v Speaker 1>to me. He had to actually talk to the elders
<v Speaker 1>about this and get permission, and I did get permission.
<v Speaker 1>I just have not actually sat down with him yet
<v Speaker 1>to record the interview because I want him to be
<v Speaker 1>involved in the documentary, and he's going to take us
<v Speaker 1>out to some of their sacred areas. He was going
<v Speaker 1>to go out there and show us these spots, explain
<v Speaker 1>to him what like, explain to him or me whatever
<v Speaker 1>these sites are, what they mean to them, because we
<v Speaker 1>hear a lot of different variations, right I wanted to
<v Speaker 1>go right to the tribe itself to see what they say,
<v Speaker 1>and he agreed if we didn't edit anything or manipulate
<v Speaker 1>it into a specific narrative, it'd be okay with talking
<v Speaker 1>to us.
<v Speaker 2>So, right now, with the research that you've done and everything,
<v Speaker 2>and the stories that you've heard, your own experiences, what's
<v Speaker 2>your gut feeling is this something tied to the Native
<v Speaker 2>American history of the location, or do you think it's
<v Speaker 2>the location itself. What do you think is causing all
<v Speaker 2>of this activity in such a small location.
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of it is just the location
<v Speaker 1>in general. I think it's something to do with the
<v Speaker 1>water sources. The story that I was told is where
<v Speaker 1>the Missinhol Dam was built was actually on top of
<v Speaker 1>natural artesian wells, and this was a very mystical area,
<v Speaker 1>which is why a lot of the tribes from all over,
<v Speaker 1>like the river separated different tribes, and a lot of
<v Speaker 1>these tribes before the white settlers came around, they all
<v Speaker 1>didn't get along. They all kind of argued and thought
<v Speaker 1>over these specific lands. And from what I was told again,
<v Speaker 1>I'll find out hopefully more of the truth from them.
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of the ways they went about doing
<v Speaker 1>their battles, it was almost like a spiritual battle for them,
<v Speaker 1>like they would pray to whatever they were praying too,
<v Speaker 1>and their medicine men were supposedly conjuring up these spiritual
<v Speaker 1>warriors for them, is what it was described as. But
<v Speaker 1>some of them took the shape of wolf, and they
<v Speaker 1>were supposedly using them to fight their battles. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if that's one hundred percent true. I just know
<v Speaker 1>that is what is the local legends are it's hard
<v Speaker 1>to say say what happened six seven hundred years ago, right, but.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they always say that it's all rooted in
<v Speaker 2>truth somewhere down the line. And it's interesting that you
<v Speaker 2>know that's the local folklore. And then you have all
<v Speaker 2>these sightings of dog men or werewolves or whatever you
<v Speaker 2>want to call them.
<v Speaker 1>There's an old legend about the Walmash River being protected
<v Speaker 1>by a white wolf. This is funny because I was
<v Speaker 1>actually contacted by someone that asked me if I've heard
<v Speaker 1>about the white wolf of the Wabash, and I wasn't
<v Speaker 1>really familiar with it, And to be honest, I haven't
<v Speaker 1>dug into that story much yet. I have so many
<v Speaker 1>other things that I'm looking into that like that one's
<v Speaker 1>there too, but I just haven't gotten to that point.
<v Speaker 1>Because the guy that reached out to me, he just
<v Speaker 1>recently had a sighting of something right by the Walbash
<v Speaker 1>River about not Wabash, the Sinewa River, I mean, but
<v Speaker 1>he lives further out.
<v Speaker 2>He lives over.
<v Speaker 1>Towards the east side of the state, but the river
<v Speaker 1>is connected through there, and this thing that he saw
<v Speaker 1>to me sounds more like a almost like a pill
<v Speaker 1>crawler in the sense that it was actually crawling. There's a white,
<v Speaker 1>grayish humanoid looking creature, which is weird because there's been
<v Speaker 1>other reports of similar things too. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 1>legends of little people, which anyone familiar Native American, that's
<v Speaker 1>a very common thing. We had little people here, but
<v Speaker 1>we also have the puck wedgies. And then there's a
<v Speaker 1>specific spot out by the Missinawa called hobbit Land. They
<v Speaker 1>call it hobbit Land because there's been so many people
<v Speaker 1>talking about little people out there, little humanoids that screw
<v Speaker 1>around with you. I've been out there and we're just
<v Speaker 1>out there recently scouting it out to film, and the
<v Speaker 1>guy that was with me, who's album me film, it
<v Speaker 1>was legitimately creeped out by being there. But the thing
<v Speaker 1>about Hobbitland is this was all the old Miami Indian
<v Speaker 1>areas where the battlegrounds, reenactments and stuff are right along
<v Speaker 1>the river where everyone was slaughtered. So they have all
<v Speaker 1>these sides up here and graves dedicated to the army
<v Speaker 1>for they're wounded people. And then they have placards for
<v Speaker 1>this is where Chief I don't know how to pronounce
<v Speaker 1>his Dean, but this was where he was and there
<v Speaker 1>was another one down here for where this one was like,
<v Speaker 1>I think it's very disrespectful personally. Yeah, but and that's
<v Speaker 1>what he was saying when we were out there, as
<v Speaker 1>he did not like being out there. He's like, I
<v Speaker 1>feel like this is very disrespectful, and I agree. But
<v Speaker 1>this area is where a lot of activity is always reported.
<v Speaker 1>Like there, I've talked to two different people that have
<v Speaker 1>had bigfoot experiences over there. Not to mention, everyone talked
<v Speaker 1>about Hobbitland, Like, if you bring up Hobbitland to anyone
<v Speaker 1>almost around here, they're going to know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's just one of those stories that have
<v Speaker 1>been talked about for years. My stepson's grandfather was talking
<v Speaker 1>to me about back in the seventies about Hobbitland when
<v Speaker 1>they used to go out there. This is not just
<v Speaker 1>like a new thing because of the Lord of the Rings,
<v Speaker 1>like it's been a known area for at least forty
<v Speaker 1>to fifty years that I'm aware of.
<v Speaker 2>I've heard somewhere down the line that dogmen and even
<v Speaker 2>maybe bigfoot are sometimes guardians of Native American sites, especially
<v Speaker 2>burial sites. So again I wonder if that plays into
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, if there's some sort of spiritual aspect,
<v Speaker 2>like you're talking about, where these things are like guardians
<v Speaker 2>of the land and they feel provoked because of the
<v Speaker 2>disrespect that's been shown, you know, historically in that location
<v Speaker 2>or something. Didn't you say that your friend's parents saw
<v Speaker 2>something weird on their property.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So where my friend lives is right by where
<v Speaker 1>these two different people had werewolf experiences, right on the
<v Speaker 1>east side of town, right by the river, which is
<v Speaker 1>right by where the rivers connect. He's always lived there,
<v Speaker 1>and his parents lived maybe a block down the street.
<v Speaker 1>His mom. He was talking to his mom about what
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing. I've been looking into and about all
<v Speaker 1>the weird stuff, because I actually recorded his wife. She's
<v Speaker 1>always been uncomfortable in their upstairs bathroom. There's a window
<v Speaker 1>out back that faces the woods, which is exactly facing
<v Speaker 1>where I went in and filmed, because this was the
<v Speaker 1>same exact location where those two guys had told me
<v Speaker 1>what had happened. She said, And when she's up there,
<v Speaker 1>she felt like there was something on the roof, like
<v Speaker 1>right about by the window, and it was like breathing.
<v Speaker 1>She could hear it. Breathing. So she's always just been
<v Speaker 1>creeped out, like there's something on the flat part of
<v Speaker 1>the roof by their bathroom window. Well, he was talking
<v Speaker 1>to his mom about this, and this was probably twenty
<v Speaker 1>or so years ago. I don't know the exact date.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't spoken to her in person, but she had
<v Speaker 1>told him in the same general area that she was
<v Speaker 1>going out to the vehicle one day to get like
<v Speaker 1>go to work in the morning, since she saw a
<v Speaker 1>dog walking and as she opened her vehicle door up,
<v Speaker 1>the dog would now look like a person and she
<v Speaker 1>did like a double take, and it was back being
<v Speaker 1>a dog. So was it someone walking a dog that
<v Speaker 1>she just happened to No, I don't know how to
<v Speaker 1>rationalize that one, Like how do you go from something
<v Speaker 1>on four legs to two legs back to four legs.
<v Speaker 2>Well, so I hate telling these stories. Back in the day,
<v Speaker 2>whenever I was in my early twenties, one of my
<v Speaker 2>best friends was a Native American guy. He was a
<v Speaker 2>Creek and we had been hanging out one night and
<v Speaker 2>we were coming back over to my house separate cars.
<v Speaker 2>And my neighborhood historically has a lot of paranormal activity,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have heard me tell stories about
<v Speaker 2>my house, but it's not just my house. It's this
<v Speaker 2>whole area. For whatever reason, and that particular I'm headed
<v Speaker 2>home come to this one particular street corner and there
<v Speaker 2>is this dog sitting underneath the street light on the
<v Speaker 2>corner opposite of where I'm at. I'm at a stop
<v Speaker 2>sign and it's just sitting there looking at me. And
<v Speaker 2>this is just like a big yellow dog, nothing spooky
<v Speaker 2>or creepy about it. Just seemed really odd and out
<v Speaker 2>of place. It's not like running around or anything. It's
<v Speaker 2>just sitting there looking at my car. I don't really
<v Speaker 2>think too much of it. I keep on driving. I'm
<v Speaker 2>at my house. I'm standing out on the front porch
<v Speaker 2>waiting for my friend to get here. And from my
<v Speaker 2>house you can see a couple blocks down and I
<v Speaker 2>see his headlights and he's just flying towards my house.
<v Speaker 2>And he comes, you know, racing in the driveway, and
<v Speaker 2>he gets out of his car and he looks like
<v Speaker 2>he's seen a ghost. And I'm just like, what's going on?
<v Speaker 2>And he tells me that at that same corner he
<v Speaker 2>stopped at the stop sign and on the opposite corner
<v Speaker 2>from where he was at. There was an old Native
<v Speaker 2>American man standing there and he held up three fingers
<v Speaker 2>and he said it freaked him out. He said there
<v Speaker 2>wasn't something right about him, and so like he just
<v Speaker 2>punched the gas and took off and he looks back
<v Speaker 2>over and where the old man was. He said, there
<v Speaker 2>was a big yellow dog standing there. So I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the idea of dogs changing into people
<v Speaker 2>and back in the dogs is. I mean, it's something
<v Speaker 2>you hear about in Oklahoma that you don't really talk about.
<v Speaker 1>Which is interesting in the aspect as we've discussed this before.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the tribes that were here, where did
<v Speaker 1>they get sent to Oklahoma? I mean, there's a Miami Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're all here. This is where the trailer
<v Speaker 2>tears ended, and a lot of those people up there
<v Speaker 2>got pushed out by the trailer tears.
<v Speaker 1>You know. Not even too far from where all this
<v Speaker 1>is is the actual trail of tears. Like if you're
<v Speaker 1>driving down one of these roads, you'll see this is
<v Speaker 1>where the Potawatomy Trail of tears starts.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this could be a combination of things, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it could just be a bunch of really bad juju
<v Speaker 2>that took place in a really powerful location, which I
<v Speaker 2>understand that's not everybody's cup of tea, but I mean,
<v Speaker 2>at this point, you know, I can't really just close
<v Speaker 2>the box on anything, because you have areas like we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about that aren't just you know, we're not talking
<v Speaker 2>about this is an area where campers see Bigfoot once
<v Speaker 2>every ten years. You know, this is a place where
<v Speaker 2>it seems like just about everybody that you know either
<v Speaker 2>knows somebody or has experienced something for themselves that is
<v Speaker 2>just completely unexplainable.
<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of people that have reached out
<v Speaker 1>to me recently, and I know it's hard for people
<v Speaker 1>to come forward, especially about a lot of this stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and not to discredit anyone that reaches out or anything.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone's just reaching out just to beat
<v Speaker 1>me a line of crap. But I've had people reach
<v Speaker 1>out here. Within the last couple of days we were
<v Speaker 1>talking about this before we started recording. I got an
<v Speaker 1>email right before we started, about an hour ago, someone said,
<v Speaker 1>this is not technically in the miss Sinewa but just
<v Speaker 1>to the north east of Miss Sinewa is also the
<v Speaker 1>Salamony reservoir, while all those areas are all like geographically
<v Speaker 1>only twenty miles apart, if at fifteen straight across. So
<v Speaker 1>they built this Salomony and this guy in his email,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to read the whole thing, but says
<v Speaker 1>he came across this seven foot seven and a half
<v Speaker 1>foot tall bigfoot out there. I've heard several different people
<v Speaker 1>talk about bigfoots in Salomony. I haven't heard too much
<v Speaker 1>around Miss Sinewa other than around the Battlegrounds, which is
<v Speaker 1>I'd interviewed someone in person for the documentary a week
<v Speaker 1>or so ago about what they saw out of the
<v Speaker 1>old Battlegrounds, and then I just had someone leave a voicemail.
<v Speaker 1>They're not from this area, but if you follow the
<v Speaker 1>miss Sitawell River, I guess where it leads to the
<v Speaker 1>area where this guy's from. And he said he's had
<v Speaker 1>experiences with dog man and a bigfoot from in his area.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't actually spoken to him yet, but a couple
<v Speaker 1>of months ago I did get a pictures sent to
<v Speaker 1>me from someone just west or east side of town,
<v Speaker 1>not west. I keep getting confused, and they had a
<v Speaker 1>bunch of bigfoot tracks on their property. I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>be doing an in person interview with them. They're going
<v Speaker 1>to go actious sense that they're local. They're going to
<v Speaker 1>come in and sit down and talk to me. It's
<v Speaker 1>a father and son, but they've had a lot of
<v Speaker 1>weird activity on their property. So hopefully I will have
<v Speaker 1>a location to go to to film part more of
<v Speaker 1>this documentary. But back I think it was two years ago,
<v Speaker 1>and I have these photos too. Someone had took photos
<v Speaker 1>because they were fishing along the Walbash River and it's
<v Speaker 1>just probably five miles down from where the Miss Cinema connects,
<v Speaker 1>but it's to the east. They had taken photos because
<v Speaker 1>they heard some weird noise, like some weird growl I
<v Speaker 1>think it was, and the dogs started freaking out. They're
<v Speaker 1>down along the river fishing. It's not even too far
<v Speaker 1>from where he lives. And you can see by the
<v Speaker 1>footprint that he took the photos of. It is a
<v Speaker 1>very large canine looking footprint. He has his normal dog,
<v Speaker 1>which is a husky. You can see the husky's footprint
<v Speaker 1>next to whatever this other footprint is, and it is
<v Speaker 1>like three or four times the size of the husky footprint.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah didn't you show me those? Yeah? Yeah, Well, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. He says it husky's like seventy pound husky.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how big. I'm not a footprint expert,
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know how to judge the size of
<v Speaker 1>what that dog would be or wolf, whatever it could be.
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing. They say, we don't have wolves here.
<v Speaker 1>They say we don't have beer here. I'm not saying
<v Speaker 1>there that's not possible. But I know that's not a
<v Speaker 1>bear track.
<v Speaker 2>No, it's a canine track, right for sure. And I
<v Speaker 2>mean so like the largest wolves are like if you've
<v Speaker 2>ever seen a full grown, full sized Doberman, which is
<v Speaker 2>a big dog, that's like roughly how big the largest
<v Speaker 2>wolves get. So they're big, but they're not like crazy big.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>I have a German Shepherd, and I've known someone that
<v Speaker 1>had a hybrid. They had a shepherd mix with a wolf,
<v Speaker 1>and it was a fairly big dog. But my buddy,
<v Speaker 1>his male German shepherd's like one hundred and twelve pounds,
<v Speaker 1>so it's he's pretty big. But then there's other people
<v Speaker 1>that have like these big mastiff dogs and they're bigger
<v Speaker 1>than that. So I know there's large dogs around here,
<v Speaker 1>But that footprint has looked a lot bigger than what
<v Speaker 1>I thought a dog footprint would look like. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>there was more than just one, like that's just the
<v Speaker 1>one he had compared to like, we actually went down
<v Speaker 1>with him to the spot where he'd filled seen them,
<v Speaker 1>and we recorded in that area talking to him. So
<v Speaker 1>that's already been recorded too. But what I've been doing
<v Speaker 1>is I'm mapping out all these locations and I went
<v Speaker 1>straight up conspiracy theorist with it, because I got my
<v Speaker 1>corkboard and I put up my little red yarn and
<v Speaker 1>I started doing all that crap. And I started noticing
<v Speaker 1>if you went straight from where I had my experience
<v Speaker 1>down to where everyone had been seeing these werewolves, and
<v Speaker 1>you keep going straight, it takes your right to the
<v Speaker 1>Missinawa Reservoir. And then if you go up from the
<v Speaker 1>reservoir to where a lady it's recently it said she'd
<v Speaker 1>seen a dog man, it lines up to come right
<v Speaker 1>back to where I had mine, And it basically makes
<v Speaker 1>this whole area into a triangle. I know, the whole
<v Speaker 1>triangle term gets tossed around, and I'm not saying everything
<v Speaker 1>only happens in the triangle, right, But like for the
<v Speaker 1>areas that I've been looking into for some reason, they
<v Speaker 1>all fall within this area. Someone had already gave me
<v Speaker 1>crap saying that not everything's a triangle. Well, I understand
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not saying it is, but geographically speaking, I
<v Speaker 1>just happened to notice that this made a triangle.
<v Speaker 2>What are some of the things that you're hearing about
<v Speaker 2>away from the river, Like, does the activity kind of
<v Speaker 2>change the farther you get away from this river system.
<v Speaker 1>The further north that I've went to is probably about
<v Speaker 1>fifteen miles away from any river, and there's been a
<v Speaker 1>couple of big foot sightings. I've actually drove through there
<v Speaker 1>because it's not too far from where my kids go
<v Speaker 1>to school, and it just fields, so it's not like
<v Speaker 1>super wooded. There's like some woods over here and there's
<v Speaker 1>a house, but for the most part where they had
<v Speaker 1>it mapped out at, it's more like cornfields. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>saying there's not a bigfoot that couldn't have walked through
<v Speaker 1>a cornfield, but right, it's not like heavy forest or
<v Speaker 1>anything like that.
<v Speaker 2>Are you hearing like typical bigfoot sightings or are these
<v Speaker 2>different in behavior wise? Have you noticed any differences or anything.
<v Speaker 1>The reports that I've seen and the stuff that people
<v Speaker 1>have told me about, it just seems like it's I
<v Speaker 1>would say, very random sightings, like something walking, like it's
<v Speaker 1>not messing with anybody. Just a couple of weeks after
<v Speaker 1>the guy had sent me those photos, like the ones
<v Speaker 1>that he had taken up the dog's footprint, about a
<v Speaker 1>mile away, someone saw a big foot walk across the road.
<v Speaker 1>So it's strange that this guy's taking photos of large
<v Speaker 1>canine tracks that appeared to be in his opinion by Peedle,
<v Speaker 1>I can't, like I said, I'm not a photographic expert.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that's bipeds or not. But the distance
<v Speaker 1>between the tracks was actually pretty far apart. But a
<v Speaker 1>month later now someone sees a bigfoot cross the road
<v Speaker 1>about any foot tall bigfoot. I understand sometimes people don't
<v Speaker 1>know what they're seeing, but it's kind of hard to
<v Speaker 1>say that you've seen a large upright walking something across
<v Speaker 1>the road. What's the first thing someone's gonna think? Bigfoot? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Who is to say though what they saw wasn't whatever
<v Speaker 1>made these large canine tracks, or it could have been
<v Speaker 1>a big foot. You don't you know what I mean? Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>unless someone's familiar with like dog Man. It's just just
<v Speaker 1>a random person seeing a seven foot eight foot tall, lurking,
<v Speaker 1>two legged thing walking across the road. Real quick. They're
<v Speaker 1>in I think Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>There is this kid down in Texas that I interviewed
<v Speaker 2>one time. There is this lady who was in our
<v Speaker 2>group that actually went out to him ustigate Bigfoot sightings.
<v Speaker 2>And she had some property down in Texas where there's
<v Speaker 2>believed to be Bigfoot activity taking place. She had some
<v Speaker 2>sightings or a siding on the property, I believe, and
<v Speaker 2>her son and one of his friends were going to
<v Speaker 2>go camping. Actually I think there was three of them
<v Speaker 2>in total. They're going to go back at the back
<v Speaker 2>end of the property and camp out for the night,
<v Speaker 2>you know, teenage boys, that sort of thing. And after
<v Speaker 2>it got dark, they started hearing like whistling around their
<v Speaker 2>camp and something throwing sticks at the tent. They got
<v Speaker 2>pretty freaked out and decided to leave. You know, I'm summarizing.
<v Speaker 2>The whistling got much more intense, the activity got much
<v Speaker 2>more intense, and they got, you know, really scared.
<v Speaker 1>So they left.
<v Speaker 2>And they're on a four wheeler, all three of them,
<v Speaker 2>and one's driving, the other two are sitting on the
<v Speaker 2>back and the two boys sitting on the back rack
<v Speaker 2>of the four wheeler. In their lap is a big
<v Speaker 2>ice chest, a cooler with a handle, and it's just
<v Speaker 2>sitting on their laps. And they're going down these trails
<v Speaker 2>that they cleared, and the trails where I think they
<v Speaker 2>told me like six feet wide eight feet wide something
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's pitch black dark, and uh. As they're
<v Speaker 2>going down this trail through the woods back towards the house,
<v Speaker 2>the cooler handle snags on something and starts pulling off
<v Speaker 2>their laps, and they yell for him to stop the
<v Speaker 2>four wheeler so they could, you know, grab the ice
<v Speaker 2>chest and pull it back up on their laps. So
<v Speaker 2>he hits the brakes and the one boy pulls the
<v Speaker 2>cooler back on their laps, and the other one looks
<v Speaker 2>up behind them and he said, illuminated in the lights
<v Speaker 2>of the four wheeler was this giant hair covered thing
<v Speaker 2>on two legs. And whenever he looked at it from
<v Speaker 2>the back end of the fore wheeler, he said that
<v Speaker 2>he was looking just above where maybe its belly button
<v Speaker 2>would have been, right above its waist, that's where it
<v Speaker 2>was eye level at. And he slowly, you know, moved
<v Speaker 2>his gaze upwards and saw this creature and it terrified him.
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't move. He was paralyzed with fear. About that
<v Speaker 2>point in time, the four wheeler takes off again. They
<v Speaker 2>get back at the house, and whenever they get there,
<v Speaker 2>he's just like sobbing profusely. And this is like an
<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old country boy. And they're like, what's wrong,
<v Speaker 2>what's wrong? And like he goes inside and he's just
<v Speaker 2>like crying. And my friend, you know, the boy's mother,
<v Speaker 2>was like, what's wrong, what happened? And he's just freaking
<v Speaker 2>out and he starts to tell them what happened. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I'm on the phone with the woman at the time,
<v Speaker 2>and she puts me on the phone with him to
<v Speaker 2>try and talk to him and get him to tell
<v Speaker 2>me what he saw. And he basically describes what we
<v Speaker 2>now consider a dog man, except he said it didn't
<v Speaker 2>have like pointy ears on the top of its head.
<v Speaker 2>He said it was not a bear. He's hunted bear,
<v Speaker 2>he's shot and killed bear. This wasn't a bear. He
<v Speaker 2>said it had like a muzzle, kind of like a
<v Speaker 2>pit bull, and that the hair on the muzzle part
<v Speaker 2>was like caked back with something. I think maybe blood.
<v Speaker 2>He you know, I wasn't gonna say that to him
<v Speaker 2>at the time because he was like freaked out, and
<v Speaker 2>he just kept on saying, that's not what a bigfoot
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to look like, because he had heard about
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot in the area his whole life. He had never
<v Speaker 2>seen one himself, but whenever he saw this thing, he
<v Speaker 2>was expecting it to be a bigfoot. And then whenever
<v Speaker 2>he looked at this thing's face, it doesn't look like
<v Speaker 2>what has been described to him, what he's seen pictures of.
<v Speaker 2>It's some other thing. So yeah, I think either way,
<v Speaker 2>I think someone could see a bigfoot and I think
<v Speaker 2>it was a dog man. I think somebody could see
<v Speaker 2>a dog man and think it was a bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>There's been other people since I've been public about this
<v Speaker 1>more in the last like two months that have reached
<v Speaker 1>out to me, and it kind of goes along what
<v Speaker 1>you're just talking about. But one of the people that
<v Speaker 1>had reached out to me happens to work or he
<v Speaker 1>did at the Deer Preserve, which is right where my
<v Speaker 1>encounter was. He had said that I haven't been able
<v Speaker 1>to get him to like respond now like he kind
<v Speaker 1>of chit chatted back and forth for a little bit,
<v Speaker 1>but I haven't heard from him since. But he wanted
<v Speaker 1>to reach out to me because he said when he
<v Speaker 1>worked at this preserve, he was out kind of like
<v Speaker 1>tag deer, locate deer, and he felt like something was
<v Speaker 1>watching him and he happened to notice something black and large.
<v Speaker 1>He thought it could have been a deer, but he
<v Speaker 1>doesn't think it was a deer because of the way
<v Speaker 1>it was and it looked like it was too big
<v Speaker 1>to be a deer, but I'm pretty sure he thought
<v Speaker 1>it was also on two legs. And after hearing my experience,
<v Speaker 1>my encounter with this thing, he said, have brought all
<v Speaker 1>those memories back. So he reached out to me because
<v Speaker 1>he too had also seen something in that same general area,
<v Speaker 1>and he's not one hundred percent sure, but he said
<v Speaker 1>he's going to reach out to some of the people
<v Speaker 1>that still work there see if they've ever encountered something similar.
<v Speaker 1>But I haven't heard from him since then, And then
<v Speaker 1>I've recently had someone else tell me that they've had
<v Speaker 1>a similar sort of experience, but theirs was not. I
<v Speaker 1>never without like relaying the same thing that people have
<v Speaker 1>heard from out other times but like, basically they saw
<v Speaker 1>something jump over a guardrail, but they weren't sure what
<v Speaker 1>it was. They thought it was a big bipedal kenine,
<v Speaker 1>so it was on two legs. Yeah, but going back
<v Speaker 1>to what we were just saying about Bigfoot and dog Man,
<v Speaker 1>it was a dark, two legged, large creature that jumped
<v Speaker 1>over a guardrail. That's what they only saw for like
<v Speaker 1>a split second. Could have been a person. I don't know, maybe,
<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't there, you know what I mean. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm only hearing bits and pieces of stuff. And
<v Speaker 1>then I've come across someone claiming that they were actually
<v Speaker 1>out at the reservoir. And then this ties back into
<v Speaker 1>a guardrail. Something was running along their vehicle. It was
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the guardrail, and they thought
<v Speaker 1>it was a naked man, but it was running like
<v Speaker 1>an animal. They said it was running on four legs,
<v Speaker 1>but it looked like a naked man. And then when
<v Speaker 1>they got to the edge of the guardrail, it took
<v Speaker 1>off into the woods.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that kind of goes back to the pell Crawler.
<v Speaker 1>Thing, right, which there's even more to the story. Not
<v Speaker 1>so much the pell Crawler, but there have been people
<v Speaker 1>talking about flying humanoids out there too, which the descriptions
<v Speaker 1>of those come off to me very mouth manish. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>which I don't remember if we talked about this while
<v Speaker 1>I was on your show before. But for anyone that's
<v Speaker 1>not familiar, I was told last spring that this past winter,
<v Speaker 1>so there'll been winter of twenty three into twenty four,
<v Speaker 1>two separate instances happened. But I'm only hearing it from
<v Speaker 1>somebody else, so I'm not hearing it directly from the person.
<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of a middleman's story that was told
<v Speaker 1>to me. But basically, a lady was driving down the
<v Speaker 1>road by the reservoir and she thought she saw a
<v Speaker 1>person walking in the middle of the road earn a
<v Speaker 1>big trench coat, and if she slowed down, the person
<v Speaker 1>happened to open up the trench coat and he wasn't
<v Speaker 1>going to flash her. He just wasn't a trench coat.
<v Speaker 1>It was literally it's wings and it raised up in
<v Speaker 1>the air and like flew off. But the way they're
<v Speaker 1>talking about it raising it, it didn't use the wings
<v Speaker 1>in the sense that you would think like it wasn't flapping.
<v Speaker 1>It just like levitated up and blew off. That's how
<v Speaker 1>they described mothman, and then another lady. It was in
<v Speaker 1>that same general area. It was just on the opposite
<v Speaker 1>side of the lake. She saw a person standing along
<v Speaker 1>the tree line, and that person just started levitating, levitated
<v Speaker 1>up above the trees and then flew off. What is that?
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Like like flying people?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, so some things are coming to mind
<v Speaker 2>just instantly. Number One, most flying humanoid encounters or stories
<v Speaker 2>or whatever they are, the things are ready in the air,
<v Speaker 2>and it is always in the air. I'm trying to
<v Speaker 2>think of times where I've heard people talk about them
<v Speaker 2>seeing them on the ground first and watching them take
<v Speaker 2>off from the ground, and there's not that many stories
<v Speaker 2>that I've heard that are like that. Secondly, if you're
<v Speaker 2>going to make up something like this for whatever reason,
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to mention that you saw this thing
<v Speaker 2>spread these huge wings, you're gonna say and then it
<v Speaker 2>used those wings to fly off. You're not gonna say
<v Speaker 2>that it didn't flap the wings and just started levitating
<v Speaker 2>off the ground, you know what I mean? Like, why
<v Speaker 2>include wings and then not use them in your story?
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make any sense.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure about that. I know when I was
<v Speaker 1>told that me and my friend this is again it's
<v Speaker 1>all all ties back into a lot of the weird stuff.
<v Speaker 1>My son and my buddy went out driving that night.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm going to go look for them
<v Speaker 1>because this was very recent, it was only within the
<v Speaker 1>last few weeks. So we went out to go find
<v Speaker 1>these flying humanoids. So we went driving and the only
<v Speaker 1>thing we come across was these two young teenagers that
<v Speaker 1>had decided they were going to partake in some activities
<v Speaker 1>that aren't necessarily legal in our state. Decided to do
<v Speaker 1>a U turn in the road and they ACKed off
<v Speaker 1>the road and got stuck. And then I'm in a
<v Speaker 1>vehicle that has flashing lights that kind of can look
<v Speaker 1>like cop lights, and me, being me, I decided to
<v Speaker 1>turn my lights on. So it really probably terrified them.
<v Speaker 1>But we helped get them out of the ditch and
<v Speaker 1>we sent them on their way. But while we were driving,
<v Speaker 1>my friend I was telling what was going on, like
<v Speaker 1>while we're going out here for and he told me
<v Speaker 1>about our quote unquote friend Mitch, and I'm like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know Midge, But after everybody tells me happens, I
<v Speaker 1>do want to know Mitch because I want to talk
<v Speaker 1>to Mitch. But basically, this guy bitch was driving out
<v Speaker 1>by the damn out by miss Cinema and apparently they
<v Speaker 1>saw something on the side of the road eating roadkill
<v Speaker 1>and ended up being as they got close to it, it
<v Speaker 1>lifted its head up and they described it as a
<v Speaker 1>gargoyle and it opened its wings and just shot up
<v Speaker 1>in the air. I never, to the best of my recollection,
<v Speaker 1>I never told him about them just shooting up and
<v Speaker 1>not flapping wings. So he told me that before I
<v Speaker 1>even brought any of that other stuff up. So I
<v Speaker 1>don't like to use the word synchronicity, right, but strange
<v Speaker 1>that someone that I have no idea and was basically
<v Speaker 1>telling my buddy about what was going on here, and
<v Speaker 1>he tells me that this happened to somebody else that
<v Speaker 1>he knows. So that's and he said, the guy that
<v Speaker 1>told this brought it up one day out of nowhere
<v Speaker 1>for no reason. And then they're like, oh man, that's crazy,
<v Speaker 1>and they never talked about it again, So why make
<v Speaker 1>that up? You know what I mean? Yeah, That's where
<v Speaker 1>I don't get with people, like, oh people are lying.
<v Speaker 1>Why is what is the point of lying about something
<v Speaker 1>so dumb like that like man I was driving, we've
<v Speaker 1>seen something roadkiller lifted up and just flew off, and
<v Speaker 1>then you go about your business like no one cares.
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's weird.
<v Speaker 2>And to like makes that connection that it looks like a.
<v Speaker 1>Gargoyle, all right. I think of gargoyles again, almost like
<v Speaker 1>a pale crawler, like the way their faces and stuff
<v Speaker 1>would have looked.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, humanoid looking pretty uniform in color. Mm hmm, I
<v Speaker 2>mean the whole garg You know, we've talked about that.
<v Speaker 2>It's weird, but it's something that gets reported. And whenever
<v Speaker 2>you start hearing these flying humanoid stories and the Mothman stories,
<v Speaker 2>and we're not talking about the Mothman incident at Point
<v Speaker 2>Pleasant Mothman, that term has been applied to pretty much
<v Speaker 2>any sort of flying humanoid at this point. They all
<v Speaker 2>kind of have the same similar description and happen everywhere,
<v Speaker 2>not just Point Pleasant. I wanted to ask you about
<v Speaker 2>the dog Man stuff though, because obviously there's a lot
<v Speaker 2>of other podcasts out there that cover the same subjects,
<v Speaker 2>and several of them cover the topic of dog Man,
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the dog Man stories you hear
<v Speaker 2>on those podcasts paint this picture of these, you know,
<v Speaker 2>evil creatures just feeding off the fear of humans and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Is that the sort of dog man encounters that you're
<v Speaker 2>hearing about around there, or is the behavior different.
<v Speaker 1>From my own personal experience. If it wanted to get me,
<v Speaker 1>it could have, and it wanted to leave. So personally,
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was evil in the sense that
<v Speaker 1>it was after me specifically. Now the stuff that I
<v Speaker 1>heard from these other people, the guy that told me
<v Speaker 1>that when they were riding their bicycles, it stepped out
<v Speaker 1>in front of them on the path. It chased them
<v Speaker 1>out of the woods. But I feel like if it
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to get them, it probably could have. Like
<v Speaker 1>you're riding a bicycle and I've been down these paths.
<v Speaker 1>It's not like you're on a road, Like these are
<v Speaker 1>dirt and creeks and like mud, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>It's not like an easy way of getting out and
<v Speaker 1>you got to go up this hill. Yeah, So if
<v Speaker 1>that actually happened, I feel like an animal or whatever
<v Speaker 1>whatever they are, but I've probably gotten them.
<v Speaker 2>And I would also think, you know, I'm just trying
<v Speaker 2>to picture myself in this scenario, like as a teenager
<v Speaker 2>even or even younger than that, riding my bike somewhere
<v Speaker 2>on down some trail or something. If somebody in a
<v Speaker 2>werewolf costume jumped out trying to scare me, I had
<v Speaker 2>instantly recognized it as somebody in a were wolf costume exactly, unless.
<v Speaker 1>It's uh for the times, like something from a movie,
<v Speaker 1>right which where po Dunk Peru, Indiana, no one has
<v Speaker 1>those special effects. And if they do, then I don't
<v Speaker 1>know why they're still here. Because we've talked about this before,
<v Speaker 1>I've said that, like with me, I've thought about the
<v Speaker 1>fact that it looked more like a person in a costume,
<v Speaker 1>except it was a very realistic costume, because that's the
<v Speaker 1>only thing that I could think of, because it's the
<v Speaker 1>only thing that kind of made sense. Right. The more
<v Speaker 1>you try and go that route, the more nonsensical it
<v Speaker 1>actually is. But the other instance that I had heard again,
<v Speaker 1>this was actually on Vic's show. That guy said it
<v Speaker 1>came into their camp and I'm pretty sure it tore
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of crap up, but again it didn't get them.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like they're wanting to scare you off. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the Bigfoot activity this was just was posted about a
<v Speaker 1>month ago, and it wasn't too far from where I
<v Speaker 1>talked to the guy a week or so ago that
<v Speaker 1>I filmed for the documentary. But there's the newest one.
<v Speaker 1>The guy was up in a deer stand and he's
<v Speaker 1>seen a gray he he said it was gray female
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot walking. He said, I was just walking, so he
<v Speaker 1>was up in his stand. He's just seen him walking.
<v Speaker 1>That was That's the extent of what he'd saw. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know this person. It was posted on the Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>Mapping Project app, but it was posted literally like beginning
<v Speaker 1>of December, anythink so not too far ago, long ago,
<v Speaker 1>but it was only like two miles away from where
<v Speaker 1>this guy told me they had their experience, and he
<v Speaker 1>said it was great.
<v Speaker 2>Two different reports of a great bigfoot in the same area.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this guy had seen it a couple of years ago.
<v Speaker 1>I think he's like six years ago, and now someone
<v Speaker 1>back in December just seen one same, like within a
<v Speaker 1>mile or two of each other. The thing that stuck
<v Speaker 1>out about that one to me was it was female. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>The guy that I interviewed, he said it when they
<v Speaker 1>seen it, it took off and it went across the river,
<v Speaker 1>which was the Missinewa River. Very quickly in a couple
<v Speaker 1>of strides. But they went back out the next day
<v Speaker 1>for height wise and I'm pretty sure he said it
<v Speaker 1>was maybe ten feet to where the top of it was.
<v Speaker 1>As to where the tree branch was that I was
<v Speaker 1>hiding behind, because it was around a tree. They've seen
<v Speaker 1>it behind a tree, and they've seen the top of
<v Speaker 1>it at the branch levels when it took off running
<v Speaker 1>from them. Again, everything that I've noticed is when people
<v Speaker 1>see these things, these things are trying to get away
<v Speaker 1>from them, except the dog man, and they saw it
<v Speaker 1>across the river. They heard the splashing of it going
<v Speaker 1>across the river.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, not something a person in a costume would do.
<v Speaker 1>No, And especially if it's up to ten feet.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're having to use stilts and stuff at that point.
<v Speaker 1>I know this area because we've been out there, and
<v Speaker 1>if it ran through the woods, no one on stills
<v Speaker 1>is going to be able to run through the woods
<v Speaker 1>without bashing their face across branches. And this was a
<v Speaker 1>dark They were not even out there for big They
<v Speaker 1>were out there to do paranormal investigating stuff and they
<v Speaker 1>just sat I'm to see a big foot.
<v Speaker 2>Did they mention why they were there for the paranormal stuff,
<v Speaker 2>like what kind of activity was reported in that area.
<v Speaker 1>It's the old battleground from where the Iromy Indians were,
<v Speaker 1>so it's considered one of the most haunted areas around
<v Speaker 1>here just for paranormal activity. A lot of people go
<v Speaker 1>out there with their meters and the meters jump and
<v Speaker 1>say all sorts of weird things, like their little spirit boxes.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know enough about any of that. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not a big paranormal person per se, so I don't
<v Speaker 1>know that part of the investigating aspects. I've been out
<v Speaker 1>there before with a group, not that specific spot, but
<v Speaker 1>the area that we went to was supposedly one of
<v Speaker 1>their old burial grounds for the Native Americans, and their
<v Speaker 1>meetings were going crazy. They had a flashlight turned on
<v Speaker 1>by itself. I was very skeptical on a lot of things,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm like, oh, they probably it's a trick flashlight
<v Speaker 1>or something. That's just my personal stance on a lot
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. I tried rule out everything first, right, Not
<v Speaker 1>that I think everyone's full of crap, but a lot
<v Speaker 1>of times you got to be that way because some
<v Speaker 1>people are full of crap. Why you're taking me and
<v Speaker 1>a couple other people out there to do that. Who knows.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's funny? I don't know. I didn't
<v Speaker 1>know these people. But these areas have always been hot
<v Speaker 1>spots for a lot of paranormal investigators because they just
<v Speaker 1>know the history of the lands because of all the
<v Speaker 1>tragic stuff that had happened out here, which you brought
<v Speaker 1>this up a little bit ago. If these are burial sites,
<v Speaker 1>which I know some of them are because there's graves
<v Speaker 1>out there, but they're for the army. So if these
<v Speaker 1>are old villages and we all know the history of
<v Speaker 1>what happened or whatever, it kind of makes sense if
<v Speaker 1>these things were actually quote unquote guardians of these areas.
<v Speaker 1>And if you go back to what was told to
<v Speaker 1>me about the original lore of the Native Americans around here,
<v Speaker 1>that they use the wolf entities, these spirits that they
<v Speaker 1>summoned to protect their area against the other tribes. I
<v Speaker 1>don't want it throughout this term because it gets used
<v Speaker 1>a lot, but quote unquote spiritual warfare against each other,
<v Speaker 1>that is what they manifest into these things to fight
<v Speaker 1>their battles. Who's to say that these sort of things
<v Speaker 1>aren't really still around here doing the same sort of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Right to take the land because they're not attacking the people,
<v Speaker 1>but they're wanting to make them leave. And it just
<v Speaker 1>so happens that the most of the sietings ends up
<v Speaker 1>being around these areas where the villages used to be,
<v Speaker 1>which also happens to be where the old circus place
<v Speaker 1>used to be. There's that whole aspect of the circus
<v Speaker 1>too that we haven't really even touched on. That whole
<v Speaker 1>thing is just weird in general too.
<v Speaker 2>So what's your plan with the documentary? What what is
<v Speaker 2>your goal with it?
<v Speaker 1>We've already filmed several different in person interviews. The plan
<v Speaker 1>is to get some gear to actually go out to
<v Speaker 1>these sites. After we've talked to the people. I've got
<v Speaker 1>things mapped out. My friend Ed and I are going
<v Speaker 1>to go out and try and shoot documentary style filming
<v Speaker 1>in the locations. I don't want to take a bunch
<v Speaker 1>of people out there. A lot of people are like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I want to help. I'm like no, because I think
<v Speaker 1>the more people you take out there, the more chances
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get contamination from noise or anything else.
<v Speaker 1>But the goal is to try and show the history
<v Speaker 1>of the area, and I don't want to say I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to go out there and try and catch something,
<v Speaker 1>because I don't feel like anyone that actually goes out
<v Speaker 1>there with the intent of catching something he's really going
<v Speaker 1>to catch it. So but we're gonna go out, they're
<v Speaker 1>gonna sit around, We're gonna see if we can pick
<v Speaker 1>up anything that happens. I wouldn't mind having some of
<v Speaker 1>these meters, especially like a spear box, and go to
<v Speaker 1>Hobbitland and see what all these little supposed puck wedgie
<v Speaker 1>things tell me, because apparently if you go out there
<v Speaker 1>with that, they tell you a lot of weird, creepy stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Oh and I don't know how much I believe in
<v Speaker 1>spirit boxes, but I'm willing to try it out. But
<v Speaker 1>this is also in that area. We were driving down
<v Speaker 1>at again to scout out locations, and there is a
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff that says authorized vehicles only, like little
<v Speaker 1>paths that go off the road. It's like just a
<v Speaker 1>gravel road in the middle of nowhere. Who's authorized? I mean,
<v Speaker 1>are you authorized? That's what I'm asking, Like authorized vehicles only?
<v Speaker 1>So who is considered authorized? Like it doesn't say no trespassing,
<v Speaker 1>it just says authorized vehicles only. Yeah, So I want
<v Speaker 1>to know who's considered authorized. So I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>I go out to these spots because down that one
<v Speaker 1>path specific path, there is a spot considered a puck
<v Speaker 1>wedgie cave. I was like, well, I'm already sign up
<v Speaker 1>for that one. I'm good. I thought I was authorized.
<v Speaker 1>That's going to be my excuse. I didn't now my
<v Speaker 1>truck's got flashing lights. I thought that made me authorized.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's where the try. My goal
<v Speaker 1>is to try and bring more knowledge out. I guess
<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of weird stuff going on. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize how much that there was, and I didn't
<v Speaker 1>realize there was this many people that have had their
<v Speaker 1>own experiences. But because I brought it out and started
<v Speaker 1>asking about it publicly on like local groups on Facebook
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like, a lot more people have reached out
<v Speaker 1>to me. But a lot of them don't want to
<v Speaker 1>be out there in public, you know what I mean. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>for sure, they're sending messages like hey, this happened, but
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be on your phone. I don't
<v Speaker 1>want to be on the documentary.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you're hearing about stuff from people we're
<v Speaker 2>not talking about, just like paranormal forums.
<v Speaker 1>Now this is just like local prou Indiana groups. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this isn't anything paranormal. This is like just a town
<v Speaker 1>group for town discussions like oh we're doing this, or
<v Speaker 1>the places that got sales going on for whatever. Like
<v Speaker 1>here I am asking a bunch of weird stuff, and
<v Speaker 1>I get like a lot in the laughing faces and
<v Speaker 1>poking jokes. But sure you get the random people messaging
<v Speaker 1>and like, hey, I've had someone tell me that it's
<v Speaker 1>actually kind of funny. They reached out to tell me
<v Speaker 1>that apparently the crazy lady that they were talking to
<v Speaker 1>maybe not have been crazy. I was like, well, what
<v Speaker 1>do you mean? And apparently there was a lady talking
<v Speaker 1>about there was a big foot down on the Walbash River.
<v Speaker 1>This happens to be guess what spot the same area
<v Speaker 1>where the werewolves have been m This lady had seen it,
<v Speaker 1>but she said was a bigfoot, and they didn't believe
<v Speaker 1>her because they just figured she was crazy because she
<v Speaker 1>talked about a big foot down there like a couple
<v Speaker 1>of years ago. I was like, well, that's convenient that
<v Speaker 1>the spot you're telling tell me about it's also the
<v Speaker 1>spot where I've been told that people who have seen
<v Speaker 1>were wolves I was like, and there's also been a
<v Speaker 1>video of a UFO in that same area, so that's
<v Speaker 1>why they were like, well, maybe she wasn't crazy. Like,
<v Speaker 1>you can't just write people off as crazy because they
<v Speaker 1>say they've seen something. I've struggled with that for myself
<v Speaker 1>for going on eighteen years now. We're almost to the
<v Speaker 1>eighteenth anniversary in the next like two weeks.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, did you know about any of this stuff before?
<v Speaker 1>A year? Siding no, because I didn't believe in anything
<v Speaker 1>like that. The problem is, I still struggle to believe
<v Speaker 1>it today, even though I've had my own experiences and
<v Speaker 1>I've heard all these things that go on. I've been
<v Speaker 1>doing a podcast, and I still try and convince myself
<v Speaker 1>that what I saw had to been something more explainable
<v Speaker 1>than what it actually was.
<v Speaker 2>I just think that's the natural reaction. I think anybody
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't have that reaction, they probably need to rethink
<v Speaker 2>things a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>I'm the first one to admit that there's definitely weird
<v Speaker 2>stuff going on, and that there's things out there that
<v Speaker 2>we can't explain that haven't been proven. But I can
<v Speaker 2>also say that, yeah, you need to think about all
<v Speaker 2>the possibilities first, But I mean, whenever somebody tells you that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, they see a humanoid with wings levitating to
<v Speaker 2>the air and take off, what are you supposed to
<v Speaker 2>do with that?
<v Speaker 1>Of course you're going to try to figure it out, right.
<v Speaker 1>I'd mentioned the white wolf of the Walbash and I
<v Speaker 1>found this interesting. I was just kind of thinking about
<v Speaker 1>it as we talked a little. There is a lady
<v Speaker 1>that came up to me at that event that I
<v Speaker 1>was speaking at. And this was back in the eighties,
<v Speaker 1>so this was not anytime recent. But she and I
<v Speaker 1>don't remember if it was her ex husband or her brother.
<v Speaker 1>It was some guy. It was him and I think
<v Speaker 1>his father were driving down the highway and it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>exactly in this location, but it's not too far away,
<v Speaker 1>and it was a bipedal white wolf that they said
<v Speaker 1>that they saw on the highway. And then just recently,
<v Speaker 1>as of like a week or so ago. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know the context that I haven't listened to it, but
<v Speaker 1>someone was on somebody else's show and they were talking
<v Speaker 1>about a white wolf in northern Indiana that they encountered
<v Speaker 1>like a I'm assuming like a white dog man or
<v Speaker 1>a white were wolf or something. That's three different versions
<v Speaker 1>in Northern Indiana of a white wolf story. And again
<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans they claim whatever is chief to come
<v Speaker 1>see or whatever I think it was, was reported as
<v Speaker 1>the white wolf of the Walbash. Is there something to that?
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea or am I just throwing stuff
<v Speaker 1>to the wall and see what sticks. Possibly? But when
<v Speaker 1>you start hearing all these similar stories, you start to
<v Speaker 1>wonder if it's actually all connected or if it's all
<v Speaker 1>just very coincidental. I don't really believe in coincidences.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you've been on I mean I don't normally do this,
<v Speaker 2>but you've been on the Confessionals podcast talking about your story,
<v Speaker 2>and he's heard other stories from the area. Did he
<v Speaker 2>say anything in regard to your encounter? What was his
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on it?
<v Speaker 1>The reason he asked me to be on the show
<v Speaker 1>was he was told by other people about Prove being
<v Speaker 1>a very big hot spot for weird activity and it
<v Speaker 1>had a lot to do with werewolves. And without going
<v Speaker 1>into all of that detail, basically he'd asked me if
<v Speaker 1>I'd heard anything about were wolves in Peru. Yeah, once
<v Speaker 1>or twice. I was like, well, dude, what would you
<v Speaker 1>like to know? And He's like, well, we should talk.
<v Speaker 1>So that's how that whole thing come about. But it
<v Speaker 1>was actually his show that this new episode was on
<v Speaker 1>with the White Wolf, which again I haven't listened to it,
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know the whole context of that story,
<v Speaker 1>but it was apparently brought up, and then he even
<v Speaker 1>referenced me about it in the episode because it's in
<v Speaker 1>similar areas, right, what is going on in north central
<v Speaker 1>Indiana northern Indiana where people are seeing all these weird things?
<v Speaker 1>And if you start to break it down, I interviewed
<v Speaker 1>a lady from the town Huntington, which is only about
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes away from here. She swear she saw a
<v Speaker 1>dog man. She also says she's seen a bigfoot. And
<v Speaker 1>the location that she says, I've looked it up on
<v Speaker 1>a map. It is a wooded area, but it's right
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a decent sized town. To me,
<v Speaker 1>that seems strange that it'd be in a town. But
<v Speaker 1>if you look on a map where this is where
<v Speaker 1>all these people said they've seen were wolfs, it was
<v Speaker 1>behind the old movie theater.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've heard people say that they've seen dog
<v Speaker 2>man in Tulsa, and you know, it's a metropolitan area.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's a paranormal thing, a supernatural thing,
<v Speaker 2>and what the deal is. Maybe they're just making it up.
<v Speaker 2>But you definitely hear dog Man's stories that take place
<v Speaker 2>within city limits. You hear about it with Bigfoot every
<v Speaker 2>once in a while, like on the outskirts of a
<v Speaker 2>small town or something like that. But dog Man, it
<v Speaker 2>seems a lot more prolific.
<v Speaker 1>My thing with dog Man. And this is where being
<v Speaker 1>a man of I don't want to say so, but
<v Speaker 1>more of a rational type of mindset. Biologically, it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>make sense the dog man would even exist. Like I
<v Speaker 1>can understand Bigfoot as a biological creature because we are
<v Speaker 1>a primate ourselves, so a Bigfoot was a primate and
<v Speaker 1>up partwaky primate, a descended from us or something. I
<v Speaker 1>can understand that one hundred percent. Where does a dog
<v Speaker 1>man play into this like it? Biologically? When does a
<v Speaker 1>dog ever evolved to walk upright? Like I've seen the
<v Speaker 1>dogs do, the hop arounds and stuff on their back legs.
<v Speaker 1>They don't look natural the descriptions and from what I've
<v Speaker 1>witnessed myself, these things do not look unnatural on two feet.
<v Speaker 1>It looks like it's they can walk down the road
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, how you doing today, and just keep
<v Speaker 1>on walking like it ain't no big deal. Yeah, how's
<v Speaker 1>that possible? I know people have their theories and I is,
<v Speaker 1>but at the end of the day, it's that's all
<v Speaker 1>it is. We all have our own little ideas, but
<v Speaker 1>we don't know. That's why I come back to the
<v Speaker 1>whole aspect of the whole spiritual possibility. But then that's
<v Speaker 1>that opens up another rabbit hole to go down, Like
<v Speaker 1>this whole area. There's a specific place that we can't
<v Speaker 1>even go to that I wanted to go film because
<v Speaker 1>there was a murder out there a couple of years ago.
<v Speaker 1>So now we're not even allowed to go out there
<v Speaker 1>because they have barricaded off and says no trespassing. But
<v Speaker 1>it was a public road from a couple of years ago. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>someone took somebody out there and beat them to death
<v Speaker 1>over fifty six dollars. I think it was.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>They were arrested and they've been tried and they're in jail,
<v Speaker 1>in prison or whatever. But it just so happened to
<v Speaker 1>be in this area that is a very big area
<v Speaker 1>known for a lot of weird high strangeness activity. I've
<v Speaker 1>camped out there back during the eighties and nineties. Apparently
<v Speaker 1>the whole Satanic panic thing was going on, and everyone
<v Speaker 1>said that they were going out there trying to bring
<v Speaker 1>up the devil and a lot of cold activity, and
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if any of that was true. I
<v Speaker 1>wasn't out there partaking. I was always going to say,
<v Speaker 1>is that why you were out there? Now? I was
<v Speaker 1>out there in the early two thousands, camping and doing
<v Speaker 1>other things that teenagers like to do, but I wasn't
<v Speaker 1>trying to bring up the devil or anything like that.
<v Speaker 1>The only weird thing that ever happened to us out
<v Speaker 1>there is we heard some noises from the bush and
<v Speaker 1>my buddy had a paintball again, so he lit it
<v Speaker 1>up and we started hearing a duck or something trying
<v Speaker 1>to be.
<v Speaker 2>A duck, something that sounded like a duck.
<v Speaker 1>Duck man, right, we just heard man, So who knows?
<v Speaker 1>It could have been a bigfoot imitating a duck, or
<v Speaker 1>a dog man or like you said, duck man.
<v Speaker 2>Well, before we wrap up, I know you're not going
<v Speaker 2>to do it. Going to do it for you. It's
<v Speaker 2>just you and Ed making this documentary. And it's really
<v Speaker 2>by the seat of your pants. You reluctantly started a
<v Speaker 2>Kickstarter to raise funds for equipment to go towards the
<v Speaker 2>making of this documentary.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, someone had to talk to me into doing that,
<v Speaker 1>because anyone that knows me, I am very stubborn about things.
<v Speaker 1>I don't like asking for help. I don't like to
<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm obligated to people. And I know that's
<v Speaker 1>a weird way of saying it, but like I work
<v Speaker 1>for everything, that's just how I mentally am. So making
<v Speaker 1>a kickstarter to me felt weird. But if I didn't
<v Speaker 1>do a kickstarter, it's going to take me a little
<v Speaker 1>bit longer to put some money back to buy some
<v Speaker 1>of the equipment that I want because I'd like to
<v Speaker 1>get a flair gun. Do Like, if we're out in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the woods, I like to see if
<v Speaker 1>there's heat signatures somewhere around me, because you don't know
<v Speaker 1>what's out there. Because if any of this is true,
<v Speaker 1>I would like to know if I'm being stalked by
<v Speaker 1>a dog man or a big foot or a puckwudgie,
<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell comes out that way, I'd like to
<v Speaker 1>know about it. Yeah, and I also want to get
<v Speaker 1>some night vision cameras, like there's night vision cam quarters
<v Speaker 1>and stuff that I'd like to get. That way gives
<v Speaker 1>us the ability to be out there at dark, because
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the times these things happen at dark,
<v Speaker 1>except this one werewolf thing in town that was in
<v Speaker 1>the daylight. I'm not saying it's always going to be dark.
<v Speaker 2>But but all the funds raised from the Kickstarter are
<v Speaker 2>going towards equipment and the making of this documentary.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah. I didn't set a very big goal. It
<v Speaker 1>was only like a thousand dollars because I didn't honestly
<v Speaker 1>think that anyone would want to contribute. But shockingly, we
<v Speaker 1>hit that goal and less than two weeks. So there's
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of support from the local people and
<v Speaker 1>some other people out there that are fan of my
<v Speaker 1>show and just in general wanting to help out. I'm
<v Speaker 1>definitely thankful to all of them, and it is still
<v Speaker 1>open for anyone that would like to contribute. Basically, there
<v Speaker 1>is a couple of tiers and it explains like what
<v Speaker 1>you get from it. I'm I'm not offering like gifts,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm willing to put credits, Like if you contribute it,
<v Speaker 1>I will put you in the ending credits. That's my
<v Speaker 1>only that was my only way of thinking of, like
<v Speaker 1>how to reward people for contributing.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it's cool to have your name
<v Speaker 2>in the credits. I mean I contributed. I want my
<v Speaker 2>name in the credits. It's an interesting story. I want
<v Speaker 2>to see what gets uncovered in the documentary. So if
<v Speaker 2>people want to find out and want to see these
<v Speaker 2>places on film and see these interviews with witnesses and
<v Speaker 2>see what gets uncovered in the stream area of Peru, Indiana,
<v Speaker 2>they should hit up the Kickstarter and throw in a
<v Speaker 2>couple bucks. Where can they find it at?
<v Speaker 1>You can find the link, probably in your show notes
<v Speaker 1>would be the easiest way. I'll send you a link
<v Speaker 1>to that. But if they go to Kickstarter, they can
<v Speaker 1>search for the miss Cinewal Triangle. It'll be the only
<v Speaker 1>thing that pops up under that name. Spell it. I
<v Speaker 1>know people have heard it and they're like, the what
<v Speaker 1>it's msiss i n e w A miss Sinniwal. It's
<v Speaker 1>the Mississinewall Triangle. It is the Mississinewal River and the
<v Speaker 1>Mississinewal Reservoir, which is where most of my investigation will
<v Speaker 1>be taking place again. We've got a lot of things
<v Speaker 1>mapped out, We've got a lot of interviews already recorded.
<v Speaker 1>We're just kind of waiting for the weather to not
<v Speaker 1>be winter right, but I want to get out there
<v Speaker 1>before it's overgrown. We're looking at probably March late March
<v Speaker 1>to get out there and start recording more of the
<v Speaker 1>nighttime investigations. So the kickstarter is open for about another
<v Speaker 1>three or four weeks, and then after that I plan
<v Speaker 1>on getting the gear and getting out there, and if
<v Speaker 1>no one ever sees me or hear's from me again,
<v Speaker 1>just look for the camera and hopefully it'll make a
<v Speaker 1>interesting found footage documentary.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to have to figure out a way
<v Speaker 2>for you to stream that directly to me as you're recording.
<v Speaker 2>That way I can have the footage if anything happens
<v Speaker 2>to you and.
<v Speaker 1>Ed someone else asked me if they could come out
<v Speaker 1>and help, So I don't know if I want to
<v Speaker 1>bring in a third person, but I said, we at
<v Speaker 1>least need someone that I need to be faster than,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm faster than its, so yeah, don't bring anybody
<v Speaker 1>that's faster than you and you'll be okay. Now, you
<v Speaker 1>always want a slow person with you just in case
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not going.
<v Speaker 2>And of course you can find Tenfoil Tells everywhere that
<v Speaker 2>you find Bigfoot Crossroads, except for Bigfoot Crossroads dot Com.
<v Speaker 2>That's probably not a good place to look for Tenfoil Tells.
<v Speaker 2>But it's all out there on your favorite podcast platform
<v Speaker 2>and YouTube. And you've got a website, don't.
<v Speaker 1>You, tenfoiltales dot com. It'll have all the episodes on there.
<v Speaker 1>I should probably update it for stuff for the documentary,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm kind of behind on a lot of things
<v Speaker 1>and I have not updated the websites.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Brandon, thanks for joining me and talking about
<v Speaker 2>the high strangers going on in your neck of the woods.
<v Speaker 1>Been a pleasure. Thanks for having me on