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Good day to you. I'm Nathan Hager. We begin today's
program in the air earning season gets underway this week,
with Delta Airlines reporting its latest results on Wednesday. For
more on this and what to expect for the airline
industry as a whole. We're joined by George Ferguson, senior Airspace,
Defense and Airlines analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence. George, it's great
to speak with you ahead of the results from Delta.
How much could we see the outlook for this airline
affected by what we've seen over the last month of
war with Iran?
So thanks for having me on. I think that a
lot of the outlook and a lot of investor perspectives
on the airline will be a function of that war
in Iran and where it's at when earnings are reported.
How so, So I mean, you know, right now, I
think we're looking at a scenario where the streets are
Humus look effectively closed, right. I don't think they're physically closed,
but they look effectively closed, and the US may walk
away from the region without reopening it. Some of the
rhetoric are hearing, you know, out of the Trump administration now,
and so that is obviously going to play into where
fuel prices are going. Right, So I think as investors
go into those earnings, I think, you know, one queue
is just not going to matter as much. We know
fuel prices spiked, it's typically a week quarter, so you're
not going to spend a lot of time parsing those numbers.
My guess is that Delta will do a lot of
work to try to keep those earnings kind of in
a decent place by economizing on maintenance and things like that.
But again, investor is going to be really focused on
down the road. We're coming into summer travel season two
Q and three Q, and so if the price of
fuel remains high and even potentially goes higher because the
Straits are removes or closed and the US is pulling
out of the region, I think that you know, that
sets up a different demand dynamic for the summer, right.
I think that Delta's got a fairly well heeled flying
clientele that can manage an increase in prices twenty thirty
percent for tickets, But there will be some demand that
peels away, and so then the dance comes between size
and capacity correctly for what the new demand is in
a higher ticket price environment. Or if the US pulls
away from the Straits and the Iranians say, look, there's nobody,
there's nobody here to blame anymore. The US is gone,
We'll let tankers flow the global you know, oil prices
returned to sort of prewar level or at least you know,
descend a bit, don't continue to climb. You'll have a
much better outlook for so or flying season. So I
think everything everything rides on what the outcome of the
Iran sort of you know, war or fight, whatever you
want to call it, is into two Q and three Q,
and I think that's how investors will We'll look at
earnings and look at guidance through that lens.
Given that demand picture you just mentioned, the focus on
the premium traveler, does that put Delta in a better
position compared to some of the other major carriers, So.
We think so, right, We think that United in Delta
and to a lesser extent American have passengers, have client
tele that are going to want to travel despite changes
in prices. Right, So, I mean if fuel prices rise
by one hundred percent, which is kind of you know
where we were here as we closed out one Q. Look,
you know, typically these carriers twenty to thirty percent percent
of revenues to be consumed by fuel. So maybe the
way to think about it is that means that ticket
prices have to rise by what maybe twenty or thirty percent.
If you're you know, a fairly wealthy client, You're not
going to let twenty to thirty percent increases in in
your ticket price, right, five hundred to six hundred dollars
maybe to go to the West Coast, maybe maybe one
thousand to twelve hundred dollars to go to Europe. You're
not going to let that get in the way of
your travel plans. The people whose travel plans will get
interrupted by that are more of the basic economy traveler,
the travel that's probably flying you know, Spirit, Frontier, Jet Blue,
these kind of carriers, And I think that will exacerbate
this fight for the back of the airplane because because
United and Delta are filling their airplanes with a bunch
of premium travelers, but in the back of every United
Airline flight or Delta Airline flight is a little bit
of Spirit airline. It's a basic economy traveler, and the
fight will go on to get them in the airplane
at least to cover marginal costs.
Thank you for this, George, again, great having you on
with us. That's a Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Aerospace, Defense and
Airlines analyst, George Ferguson. Let's take a look now at
some stocks making news in the week ahead. I'm Nathan Hager,
joined by Bloomberg Markets Live strategist Tatiana Daria. I guess
we could say this is the unofficial start of earning
season before the banks get things going right. We've got
a few companies opening things up, including Constellation Brands on Wednesday.
It's been a tough go for the booze business, hasn't it?
Yes, exactly. Expectations aren't very high here for the company,
but some analysts on Wall Street are starting to warm
up to the stock on valuation concerns, saying that a
lot of the bad news is already in the stock.
So Bloomberg Intelligence forecast at net revenue will fall about
fifteen percent do mainly to their whine and spirits portfolio devestments.
But they're also anticipating some sluggishness in the beer segment,
which is obviously their main driver or crown a jewel
there and especially among Hispanic consumers. BI notes, but some
analysts are saying that most of that is already in
the price. Perhaps, you know, the beer segment has room
to surprise to the upside. We've seen JP Morgan lifting
their price target. We've seen Evercore adding the stock to
the Tactical Outperformed list, and it also got an upgrade
from City earlier this month, citing evaluation that's below historical levels,
and if you look at the forward price to earnings ratio,
it has indeed fallen drastically. It's hovering around the lowest
since twenty twelve now as shares have come down sharply
over the past year.
Yeah, valuation concern certainly speaks to that. There before we
hear from constantly, we're going to get results as well
from Levi Strauss on Tuesday. Of course, we got that
big disappointment from Nike this past week. Do you put
Levi in the same category as Nike in terms of
what to expect there?
I think one has to, right because they both speak
to the consumer. They're both sort of discretionary brands that
you turn to for sort of luxury and comfort, not
necessarily because you really need to. And expectations are pretty
I would say modestly positive. Ubs, for example, expects a
fourth quarter sales and EPs beat, though they say the
company may remain cautious on a full year outlook amid
the macro as certainly, just like we've seen with Nike,
they know that the US direct to consumer sales likely
rose about two percent year over year, and that web
traffic likely increased even more in the US according to
their industry data that they track. Nonetheless, the company may
choose to just be cautious and conservative and not raise
their guidance despite the likely beat. And that's because of
the reasons that we have seen with the Nike report,
with potential fresh setbacks in Europe and the Middle East,
regions that are obviously heavily exposed to the energy costs
and just the disruptions coming from the year round war.
Now, were you expecting any further commentary from Levi around
how they're dealing with trade uncertainty as well after that
Supreme Court tariff decision and some of the uncertainty around
how the president might try to rebuild that terrafall and
how that could affect its business.
Yes, certainly, you know, tariffs is sort of fallen off
the radar, but when you look at company earnings, especially
in the consumer space, it is still a big focus.
So it will be really interesting to see what the
company has to say on that matter.
Yeah, and of course earnings take off with Delta Airlines
on Wednesday. What kind of a stock move could we
see following those results? Ta Tiana.
Well, what it's interesting with Delta Air is that they
kind of have been the exception among the airlines. It
is the only airlines stock bucking the weakness among major
peers since the war started. If you look at an
index of an industry index, that index has fallen into
a bear market recently, but Delta shares have actually gained
three percent since the war started. And maybe because the
company has already set a positive tone for its earnings
report after issuing a more optimistic sales target at a
recent conference, saying that bookings for leisure and corporate customers
accelerated into March. Actually, and they say they are very
well positioned to navigate the current environment at the time
when elevated fuel prices are roiling the industry. And it
looks like investors are giving Delta the benefit of the
doubt here. But obviously things change very fast these days,
so it will be interesting to see how their views
have changed since they issued that update about two weeks
for two weeks.
Ago from now, yeah, absolutely, while we wait for updates
around the war and how that could develop as well.
I mean, what kind of changes could we see? What
are you listening for, particularly from the call from Delta.
Later on, I'll be listening on clues about the consumer
right because obviously travel is a discretionary category. Most of
us do it for fun, for vacations, So I'll be
interested to see if they have seen a pullback from
consumers specifically, because if you look at alternative data on
the Bloomberg as it relates to that, yes, it showed
that airline spending is hanging in there, but hotel spending
has sort of fallen off here in recent so I'd
be sort of curious to see how much is that
impacting airlines.
Already, here we go for earning season for Q one.
Thank you for this, Bloomberg Markets Live Strategist Tatiana Daria,
And coming up on Bloomberg day Break Weekend, we'll look
ahead to the new tax year in the UK starting
April sixth. I'm Nathan Hager, and this is Bloomberg. This
is Bloomberg Day Break Weekend, our global look ahead at
the top stories for investors in the coming week. I'm
Nathan Hager in Washington. Up later in our program, we'll
look to some key economic data in China. But first
it is now the new tax year in the UK
running from April, and it's about to bring major changes
in taxation and employment rights. Many of them were announced
last November by UK Chancellor Rachel Reeves. But they land
just as Britain's growth outlook is deteriorating. Let's go to
London and get more from Bloomberg day Break europe banker
Caroline hepger Nathan.
The tax here in Britain begins on the sixth of
April and twenty twenty six is going to bring in
a lot of changes for workers, employers, landlords, business owners
and investors. The Employment Rights Act starts to come into force.
That's the biggest change in employment law in decades, designed
to protect those in low paying or insecure jobs. Also,
there are a number of tax increases due to tax
thresholds to dividend and capital gains tax changes. All of
this part of the Chancellor's so called Smallger's Board budget
from last autumn. Plus there's an increase in the state
pension age and higher welfare payments for retirees, people on
low income, those out of work were unable to work.
But will it help Britain's economy and workers. Do you
know what I mean?
Now?
As John Steppeck, editor of Bloomberg's award winning Money Distilled newsletter,
there are so many changes John, that are coming in
this new financial year in Britain that we're going to
have to break them all down. So let's start first
with the changes that are coming under the Employment Rights
Act of twenty twenty five. This is the so called
day one employment rights legislation from the Labor government. What
does it involve and why is it being brought in?
Well, this one, I mean, this has been brought in
just to enhanced protections for work case. Now, whether you
think that is necessary or whether you think we've already
got in off, it's a different question that will depend
your politics. But from April the sixth, we're getting day
one rates to paternity leave. So at the moment you
have to be with a company for twenty six weeks
six months, that's been reduced to the FoST day. There's
extended six p rates, so at the moment you're not
due statutory sick p until the fourth day your illness.
Let's all kick in from the FoST day now, to
be fair enough, A lot of employers don't actually rely
on statutory sick pay. It is something you just get
paid your wage. But that's that's something that if your
employer does that, and there's some tweaks to collective redundancy rules,
so if they don't do that properly, they've kind of
double the amount of time you can claim front fair dismissal.
They've added sexual harassment to the whistle blowing guidelines. There's
various bits and pieces. Some of the kind of punchier
stuff has been delayed, I think partly because obviously employers
need a bit more time to adjust. So one of
the major things was, at the moment, you can be
employed for up to two years and not be able
to claim unfair dismissal. So in effect, you can you
can need someone out the door if they're not working
without having to go through that kind of massive process.
That's going to get reduced to six months. And that
was one of the more controversial changes because you know,
it's it will make life more complicated hiring wise. But
that yeah, so that's why be had at the moment.
Yeah no, so yeah, so that's what's kicking in for me.
April the sixth Yeah, So that's in terms of the
Employment Rights Act, which trade unions like the TUC and
others see as benefiting workers in terms of their health
and they're wellbeing. As for the other major tax changes,
so we know that income taxes are going to effectively
go up because of fiscal drag, right, so we have
to think about that in terms of the tax changes
as being a big one.
Yeah.
I think that's really important, and I'm glad you brought
that up because nothing's changed technically, but that's the basic problem.
So if you've had a pay raise that is ce
has gone up with inflation this year, then that means
that your wages obviously have gone up. But the problem
is that fiscal drag means the income tax, So the
income tax thresholds have been frozen, so it means that
for every extra pound that you get, you're being put
anty a different tax bracket effectively. So the moment you
can add up to twelve five hundred and seventy pounds
and that's your personal allowance, above that you pay twenty
percent tax. Above fifty two hundred and seventy you pay
forty percent tax, and then above one hundred and twenty
five one forty you pay forty five percent tax. The
point is that's been frozen for several years now, so
more and moarriors are getting dragged into higher rate tax bands.
And then the kind of proportion of people who would
once have been considered not to be high way journals
like you know, nurseis people like that are increasingly being
dragged more and more of them into the forty percent
band and even a bit higher up. You know, some
people are getting pulled into the forty five percent band
they wouldn't once have been considered, you know, super wealthy,
and that's just that's pure inflation. So it's a tax
on inflation. Your living standard has not improved because your
wages are buying you the same amount of stuff, but
you're getting tax more on it. So actually, yeah, if
you've only had an inflation pay rise, if you've even
had an inflation pay rise this year, actually wash off.
And so fiscal drag is pretty brutal, and there REases
the government a good amount of money. Yeah, so I
can see why the foind of it.
Yeah, absolutely, So that's one big change. Then one that
we've had more advertising is not a lot of advertising
about a fiscal drive. But there is about this change
which is making tax digital, which requires self employed workers
and landlord to earn over a certain money through their
business or through rental to keep more records. So there's
going to be more frequent sort of interactions between you
and the tax authorities.
Yeah, so if you're doing over fifty thousand pounds as
a soul trade or aligned lord, then you're going to
have to start failing digitally. And I mean the big
issue here is basically admin and a compliance button, so
you have to get used to the software. The software costs,
I mean, I kind of the last thing I saw
was about four hundred to five hundred pounds. A lot
of people will probably want to ask an accountant to
sort this out for them because it's you know, it's
a fave, And I guess the benefit is probably arguably
mostly on the tax blank side. I mean, you could
argue that it gives you proay slightly more visibility on
what your tax bill is likely to be, but to
be honest, if we keep half decent accounts should probably
be on top of that already. I would say it's
another compliance budden on small business more than it is
a beneficial change.
Overall, and this is only a few of the changes.
Do we know how all of these changes are actually
going to affect the economy?
Well, the problem is, you can look at these changes,
you can probably make a case on the basis of
you know, fairness or particular interest group as to why
or this is a good thing. You know, but this
we should be doing this. We should be giving people
poternality to leave from day one, all of that sort
of stuff. The problem is, though, the you're starting to
kind of push even more compliance costs onto Yeah, small
businesses and large businesses, but large businesses are usually set
up for this kind of thing already. They can swallow
the costs. And you know, this is coming at a
time when the labor market in the UK is kind
of turning down, cooling off. We've already seen a massive
kind of minimum wage. There's another one coming in at
the same time. And you know, but we were saying
kind of like young people struggling to get jobs basically
because they are too expensive to hire. And I mean
this is don't get me wrong, It's not just about that.
We're also we've got a hangover from COVID still, so
you know, during COVID. The labor market was massively disrupted
because obviously the leisure industry was shut down and then
it reopened and everyone had found other jobs elsewhere, so
they had to hire, you know, and pay more to
hire people at that point. And I think we're actually
still going through that sort of like corrective phase now.
The problem is making it very hard for anyone either
getting out of UNI or it just wants a kind
of part time job to find work because again it's
become too expensive and this sort of extra compliance buton
and also the awareness that there's more to come is
going to put employers off taking people on even more.
So I do think it's it's not the ideal time
to be doing this, even if you agreed with the
kind of underlying, you know, kind of principle, and I
think a lot of it's arguably driven by ideology more
than practicality. I mean, obviously labor is kind of funded
by the trade unions to a great extent. Again, nothing
necessarily wrong with that, but means they're going to operate
in you know, in line with what they want. And
the problem is that it's all very well, but it's
great having worker protections if you've got a job, but
if it makes it harder for you to get a job,
it's not so great. Yeah, it's a similar thing with
the actually the renter's rights. But you know, one of
the problems that is that is if you're already a
rent up your phine, it's going to make it hard
dot actually get a flat because landlords are going to
be more locked in and they're going to be much
more care for about people.
Yeah. I haven't even got into the from the first
of May, not the sixth of April, but you are
right to bring it up because the Renters Reform Act
is all about limiting competition, for example, bidding wars for
flats or apartments or homes. It also limits the amount
that you can increase the rent buy if you are
a landlord. So there are beneficial things for renters, which
perhaps again would if politically the Labor Party wants to
discuss that, then surely that might be a positive. But
as you say, if you can't get an apartment, then
it's a problem. There are lots of other tax changes.
Some have had lots of attention, like the change to
inheritance tax on family businesses and farms, like the changenges
to dividend and capital gains taxes, which have had quite
a bit of attention i'd say from investors because again
they're rashting up the tax. Take the Chancellor you know,
wants to increase the revenue from that. What is it
going to mean for people?
Well, the things I mean, so the dividend tax has
going up by two percentage points and the basical rate
and the higher rate additional rates staying the same because
if it went up any further it would basically almost
be inlane because the end tax straight and I mean
there's not I mean beyond using your tax shells, there's
basically that you can do. But that's except for swallow
it inheritance taxes a head covered change. So the IHD
changes are if you basically, if you want to have
farm or business property, then now rather than basically having
uncapped relief or an inheritance tax, you can pass on
up to two point five million per individual, so it
means five million in total. And to be feeled, that
went up because it was originally one million, but the
government kind of back down a bit on that and
raised it and image you pass that over and then
after that you get HD effectively. The relief is half,
so it means you're paying HD at twenty percent rather
than forty percent. And that's on everything above the two
point five of the five million am stocks. It gets
them too. This they don't have the two point five
million allowance. They just have the normal allowance, but now
they'll have after two years. You used to be able
to hold certain ame stocks and pass them all free
of inheritance tax. Now they'll be taxed at twenty percent
rather than forty percent.
Yeah. But all of this raft of tax changes and
employment rights changes coming on the sixth of April, and
we shall see what happens in terms of its impact
on the economy, even as we know that the economic backdrop,
of course for the UK and for many other countries
because of the war in Iran, does seem to be
dark a little bit. John, thank you so much for
being with me talking over all of the details. Bloomberg's
John Steppek. Thanks for your time, and you can catch
up of course with John's Money Distilled newsletter in the week.
I'm Karin Hepka here in London. You can catch us
every weekday morning for Bloomberg Daybreak. You up that's the
beginning at six am in London, one am on Wall Street, Nathan.
Thanks Caroline, and coming up on Bloomberg day Break Weekend,
we'll look ahead to China's March CPI and PPI data releases.
I'm Nathan Hager, and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg
Daybreak Weekend, our global look ahead at the top stories
for investors in the coming week. I'm Nathan Hager in Washington.
This week we get March readings on inflation in China.
Let's get a preview now from Bloomberg's Doug Prisner, host
of the Daybreak Asia podcast.
Thanks Nathan. China has been mired in a record streak
of deflation, especially at the wholesale level. However, there are
signs of change. For example, in February, producer prices slumped
nine tens of one percent last year a negative reading, yes,
but it was much better than economist at forecast. And
more recently we've seen signs of building price momentum. The
latest manufacturing PMI show the Chinese companies recorded their fastest
surge in both raw material cost and output prices in
about four years now. This represents one of the first
tangible signs of the spillover from the conflict in the
Middle East. So a few questions here, what does this
mean for the Chinese economy and where does the Chinese
inflation story go from here? For a closer look, let's
bring in Bloomberg economist Eric Jeu, who joins us from
Hong Kong. Thank you so much, Eric for being here. So,
the price component of that PMI report indicated largely that
inflation was being imported, and I'm wondering, is that a
wealth come signed for China.
In terms of the result. Yeah, I think definitely is
going new that we might finally get out of deflation
this year or very soon. I think the next next
week's much price data. I think it's becoming quite consensus
now the PPI should turn positive, you know, thanks to
the energy caused shock from the Iran War. So I
think it's probably the first inflation reading for PPI in
more than three years. So last time it's the end
of the war, your career in the Russian War, right,
So it's been more than three years, and I think
finally now the PPI is going to get out of deflation.
And CPI is already in the inflationary doom. So I
think it's we're expecting the GDP deflator could turn positive maybe,
if not the first quarter, it must be the second part.
So in terms of final result, I think it's it's
it's what part the makers they're really looking forward, you know,
to see a party of inflation, but it's probably get
there by the wrong reason because we're always talking. They
want to you know, push domest demand to drive the
price up. But now I think it sends to some
external shock. Actually it's it's it's essentially helping China, but
probably not the recent supposi makers have been you know,
making efforts. But anyway, it's the androidult here that we
are getting there.
That's an interesting point because you and I have spoken
in the past about the weak growth story in China.
So if things don't improve and energy prices were to
remain elevated, is stagflation of possibility?
Not quite, because in the first quarter we actually have
seen some signs of domestic demand is picking up, but
it's still at a very low level compared to a
very weak final quarter of last year. So you know,
investment is picking up. Also, consumption slightly accelerating, so it's
I think at least you can see that the bottom
and the demand might have bottomed out, but still it
takes a quite time for us to see a robust tomorrow,
but recovery on those demands sides, so I'm not really
seeing it's more like stagnation for China. I think the
demand is still slowly, slowly recovering, but now after the
supply shock is really helping more on the price side.
So I'm wondering about how the consumer is performing right
now in China and whether demand is beginning to pick
up ever so slightly. You talk about the fact that
retail inflation in China is out of deflation right now,
are we're seeing a little bit more exuberance on the
part of the consumer.
I think the first two months it's it's quite positive.
But you know, because China this year, this year's Luna
new Your holiday is longer than usual, have a nine
days holiday, so it's still not clear whether the holiday
is boosting up to the retail sales or it's just after holidays,
So the machas data will be more interesting after the
holiday demand is if they did, we're going to see
how you know that the much retail sales is doing.
If that's still kind of robust, so that would be
a more incredible sign of demanding and pulling up. If
you see retail sales out decelerating slowly again, then it's
probably just a one off booster from the holidays. So
that means the comment still needs more work to you know,
stimulate consumption.
So Eric, give me a sense of what that might
look like. I know from the most recent NPC gathering,
creating inflation was a top priority, So I'm curious about
what more the government could do to change the narrative here.
I think if you look at NPC, actually the policy
it broadly continuing, so they don't add much more additional stimulus.
So on the consumption side, I think basically they're continuing
what they're doing last year, you know, subsidy for consumption upgrading,
and also they'll continue going to give child subsidies as
kind of you know, small incremental structure reforms in trying
to address the high living costs for ready on child,
for child education, that kind of stuff. Our view is
that those steps will be will help in the end,
but it will be a long process, so it's not
going to you know, change consumer behind behavior overnight. So
it does require long community from the government to continueing
or even step up with those small steps, and this
can gradually improve consumer sentiment and help them to spend
more hopefully.
Obviously, the property market is a big part of the story,
and housing prices continue to remain very very weak. Give
me your sense of where we we go from here
just in terms of real estate and what the government
can do to kind of verse what we have been
seeing month on month on month.
Yeah, it's a good point. Actually, we just this some
assessment up to the assessment of the property market. Actually
after we saw some green shoots in the first two months,
the jopping the declining home prices and hoome sales were
actually narrowing in the first two months of this year,
so we revised our long term outto for property market.
I think we think it's if you look at the
whole correction which started like five years ago, that's a
starting point, and if we believe the whole process is
to readjust the demand supply property supply to align with
the declining demand. We think the whole process now is
like seventy percent done, So that means that could be
still thirty percent to be adjusted before we see a stabilidation,
so we think that may take one or two more years.
So I think most by the end of next year
we might find out a stabilization. You know how they market.
To what extent is the overcapacity problem in China being addressed,
because I know that was blamed for a long time
for kind of fueling this deflationary trend.
I think the government that I was actually doing something
since last year, and but it's basically focusing on the
supply side. And you know, they're asking some sectors, evs,
solar panel and also some online platforms. So I think
they just called it. I think they just had some
statement the last week, you know, seeing they need to
on our platform, they need to stop the price wars
and you know, cut the subsidies for those sales. So
I think the government definitely, you know, they're trying to
prevent a more cuss throat price war in those industries
and trying to h make the price up so in
order to you know, have inflation returns sooner than they expected.
I think that definitely we have seen some effects from
those efforts in the price data, and I think this
year they're going to continue to do those things and
combining with you know, the price the war shock, I
think that's also why we see the PPI or CPI
is actually getting out of deflationary, although it's still in
mind the inflation, but they're getting there.
Can you give me a sense of the latest readings
on sentiment that we know on the manufacturing side, the
pm I data was pretty robust, But I'm curious as
to how people are generally feeling about what's happening in
the Chinese economy.
I think domestically, I think it's they have similar feeling
in me that probably the warst time over right, we
see some domestic demanded picking up. This is a very
slow pick cup, I think. I think many people economists
they would agree that probably this year we're going to
see some milder inflation and demand is stolen picking up,
although it comes the lowers across tuget. But I think
it's a more pragmatic move means that it's not going
to be strong stimulus. But they called me is still
holding up. You know, the experts are also strong despite
the terrorists, So I think the whole komy is not
at least it's not as as bad as last year.
So right, the last the final quote of last year
is the worst GDP liking how many years. So I
think I think that's the bottom of the economy right now.
So things have bottom blout and we're improving in China. Yeah, right, okay, good.
That is Bloomberg economist Eric Jeu in Hong Kong. In
the last two week, City Group hosted its Hong Kong
Macro Conference. There were discussions about geopolitics and monetary policy
as well as economic outlooks, and that's where we caught
up with Patrick Harker. He is the former president of
the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. Pat spoke with Bloomberg
TV host Heidi Stroud, Watts and.
Cherry on what a time to be a central banker?
And I guess perhaps a better to have to be
an ex central banker.
What do you think the conversations would be like happening
at the FED right now?
I think what the Fed's dealing with right now is
the triple whammy of deportations, tariffs, and now the war,
and so that just adds to the uncertainty the economy
is already facing. You know, it's amazing the US economy
has been very resilient, but it's showing real signs of
fragility right now, and so the Fed's.
Very worried.
On the balance of risk.
If you were still in the hot seat, what would
you be voting for?
Oh, I'd vote the whole no question in that this
uncertainty is there. We're probably mildly restrictive when it comes
to the FED country, but I would just hold right now,
let some of this uncertainly resolve itself, because inflation is
still above two percent and the FED has to commit
to getting it to two percent.
The argument against that would also be that inflation has
been elevator for a while, right so we continue to
see this play out, especially with no resolution in Iran.
Wouldn't the economic hit to the US be greater? Why
are you still leaning towards holding now?
I think the inflation issue is paramount. The FED actually
cannot do that much when it comes to the labor market.
What's happening in the labor market in the US is
the impact of AI and other changes that are well
outside the realm of monetary policy. So I think the
FED should really focus first and foremost on inflation right now.
That is Patrick Harker. He is the former head of
the Philadelphia Fed, speaking there with Bloomberg TV host Heidi
Stroud Watts and Sherry On at the City Hong Kong
Macro Conference. I'm Doug Krisner. You can catch us weekdays
for the Daybreak Asia podcast. It's available wherever you get
your podcast.
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