Hour 2 – Aaron Rodgers’ return to Green Bay, Brian Windhorst

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Speaker 2: Two on this Friday, A Meet Friday at that tried chip, French dip, sandwiches and poutine. Who has it better than we do? No. Eight seven to seven three DP show. More phone calls coming up. Brian Winhorse from the mother Ship. We'll see if he has any new information on what took place yesterday in the morning and most of the afternoon as well. Given Chauncey Billups and Terry Rogier, also Damon Jones. Those are the basketball players involved in this web poll question. Update the poll question question from the first hour of the program. And keep in mind on Sunday night, it's Aaron Rodgers against the Packers and that's the Steelers hosting Green Bay Sunday seven Eastern no on NBC and Peacock. And I know people are probably looking at this as all it's that payback game for Aaron Rodgers. He's going to get back at the Packers for something that they did. Packers didn't do anything to Aaron Rodgers. They let him stay longer than they probably should have. And Aaron Rodgers he might have took some of the wind out of the sales here of this matchup, this rivalry of sorts. When he said this yesterday, I.

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Speaker 3: Feel so good about my time, man, because damn near everything great in my life is because of you know, my football career, and my football career starts and we're in one day with Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: So we got a lot of love for all those memories and a lot of great friends still carry with me to this day. If I'm NBC, I'm like, what are you doing? You know, can you say something negative about Jordan Love or Green Bay or come on, we need some bulletin board. Not I'm going to end my career. He'll sign a one day contract to retire as a Green Bay packer. Come on, Aaron, you got to understand content here or in the content business. Yes, Marvin, you should have talked to Tua to once again. If it's two versus the microphone, the microphone wins every time. Because somebody asked him about he didn't throw many passes to Jaylen Waddle and then he said that he couldn't see him because the linemen are too big. Just say, maybe he has to learn out a lie. Yeah, they should, you know, take some of these quarterbacks and have them in a classroom and teach them what to say, what not to say, how to say it, how not to say it. Because when Tua goes, I I mean once again, I'm in the content business. I love when he gets behind a microphone. But don't admit you're too short. Hey, I can't see over the linemen, so I couldn't throw it, Jayleen Waddle. Yes, Todd Boenis.

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Speaker 4: Had five of his passes blocks and still found a way to get thirty three fourth quarter points. I'll just drop the mic Oh oh, there's no excuse about that.

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Speaker 2: Life of a college. But I love now.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: I don't think bonus anything about being too short. That's why five passes were.

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Speaker 2: Did you buy the Bonex jersey yet? I have not.

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Speaker 4: That's just because that's not That's not because I haven't bought it. I bought one. I bought one for Jordan and my son. I sent him the old retro nineteen seventy seven to one. And you know, if I buy another jersey, because I had so many of them, it would.

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Speaker 2: Probably Do you get a Russell Wilson jersey? I did not.

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Speaker 4: I got other Russell Wilson's shirts which were ridiculous that said, you know, that had him next to Peyton Manning and John Elway like they were going to be like the three great Bronco Super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 2: I was a person. By the way, the stat of the Day brought to you my Padini America, the official little trading cards of the program. The Flacco Around and find Out T shirt is live and well at the Danpatrick dot com store. All right, Seaton, pull question from our one and do we have the Hall of Good T shirt? Yeah, that's up there. That's up there.

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Speaker 6: There's also a Dodgers T shirt up there as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, World Series opening up tonight. I just want to make sure I tune in for the first that when shoe Hey Otani comes to the plate and how Toronto is going to react to him. Remember we had Steve Phillips on the former Mets GM and he's like, ah, you know, I think all signs are leading to Toronto. And I think he was affiliated with the Blue Jays maybe I don't know what kind of role, but he talked about you know, because I thought, all right, he should know. And then all of a sudden there was a report that Shoe Aotani's jet was going to Toronto, and then it wasn't it. It might have been his jet, but he was in the jet when it was going to Toronto. So those fans might be a little frosty there with show Hay in his first at bat.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Paul Bigger, all Time, pump fake show Hay to the Blue Jays, Lebron to the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: I would say Lebron to the Knicks, because I'm probably reminding people that Toronto was in the sweepstakes here for show. Hey, we you had some Jared Dudley was on the Knicks, wasn't he And he was talking about that he's hearing that Lebron's going to the Knicks. I would say that the proximity of when he made his announcement, He's in Connecticut, not far from where the Knicks practice, and I thought, okay, maybe there's a possibility.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paul, we were in the old studio, so I remember it like it was yesterday. And we get the word that Lebron is doing his announcement at the Boys and Girls Clubs of Greenwich, five minutes from the Knicks practice facility, just over the border, and we all looked at each other said he's going to the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all set it. Yeah. I would say that that was the ultimate pump fake. I don't know if that. I don't know people think that it was that close with Shohy going to Toronto. I think there were reporroneous reports and therefore it felt like it was a little bit more front burner, and it wasn't. I don't even think he was on the stove. All right, So World Series coming up tonight. Shay Gilgis Alexander had fifty five last night. They had another double overtime game. You also had Steph Curry with a big night. Aaron Gordon puts up fifty as well. So some of the basketball last night. Looking at some of the games this weekend in the NFL and also in college, and I'd like to look at the points spreads here just to see, like the Titans at the Colts. The Titans fourteen and a half. That's a lot. The Titans are gonna They're gonna knock off somebody. The Colts are scoring a lot. This is one of those gotta win We're gonna do. The most must win game of the weekend coming up a little bit later, on the Cowboys and the Broncos that is spicy, the Dolphins at the Falcons. You know, these teams eventually pull it together for one game, like the Jets are going to surprise somebody. Brown's Patriots. That's at the Patriots. Bill's minus seven at the Panthers. Like these are those tricky games where you go, it's seven. Although Bryce Young I don't think he's playing. I think he's when he got injured against the Jets. The Buccaneers at the Saints. This is where I always go with the team that you don't think will win. It's at the Saints and maybe the Saints, you know, surprise somebody, the Niners, Texans. The Bears are getting six and a half against the Ravens and the Ravens have one win. So you have a four and two team versus a one win team. H Yes, see our two pole question. Who do you like this weekend? The four and two.

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Speaker 6: Bears at plus six point five or whatever six and a half or the one in five Ravens.

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Speaker 2: How is that possible?

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Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson's not even healthy.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if he's playing yet. I think he was that practice but I don't know if he was participating. Feels like probably would be. If you're going to six, you're favored by six and a half. Good. I gotta believe that he's playing. I mean that screams, Oh, I'm taking the Bears in the six and a half, right. It's like, man, that's easy money here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paully, It's like Vegas doesn't have the same opinions that we do. You know, foreign too. Oh, the Bears are doing well, they're on a hot streak. The Ravens are in disarray. Vegas doesn't believe that they're looking at this game different than the records.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what Vegas has been on top of the Ravens that they're not that far away from winning this division. At least last week or the week before, the odds were better than the Bengals and not that far off from the Steelers. Oh, maybe the schedule's pretty easy in the second half and Lamark comes back and they started out slow I think last year and then turned it around. But I don't know. It just feels you take out the ping pong tables and you know, corn hole. I don't know. And then John Harball said, I didn't take it out. The players did, the captains, the leaders took it out right, Okay, all right if you tell me that. Okay, I'm not sure what it's going to meet now? We mean, because hey, no more games here. The only game we play is the one on the field.

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Speaker 8: Yes, so that's their version of a player's only meeting, like you know what, guys, Oh, no more toy like you know what, guys got that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You had me there like a great pauses yes, yes, yes, yes, let's see Lucas and Texas leads us off hour two. Hi, Luke, Hey dang, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's lots of legal proceedings.

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Speaker 9: And conversations going on right now, and I need to bring that to bear on the DP show. I have some evidence, and then I have an accusation against one of the Danets. I have reviewed the footage from the.

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Speaker 5: Last two meat Fridays, and there is a certain Danette soon to be named, who is extremely slow, in particular, going through the line. Everyone else is actually sampling the food, and he's making a very clear effort to have a perfect plate, a sampling every little bit of every little dish.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is personal to me.

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Speaker 9: Because I grew up with a father who did the very same thing and drove our family nuts because he would just be sitting down while everyone else had already finished up. So my claim, which I lead to the jury of the other Danets and Dan yourself.

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Speaker 5: Is that one Paul pass oh Friday passhole of the DP show.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Paulie, I think I knew it was me with the accusation. I like to enjoy and peruse the lovely spread that our team puts out for us, and I'm very grateful for it. So I take a look at it and I try to sample everything, whether I might not like it or not, so I look at that as a positive. I try not to clog the lane though.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, Judd, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think I'm a lane clogger. I have problems with other lanes on the highway, but I'm I guess the opposite. I like to have everything in one big mound or clump, and that could all be on top of each other, and I treat it as if the last meal and there's going to be no time or room for seconds.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always tell you, I said, Tod, you can always go back, but you go all in on one, you know, one passed through and that's it.

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Speaker 10: I get excited.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm going to take a little or a lot of each of these things.

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Speaker 2: Andrew in Washington, Hi, Andrew, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Good morning, Dan danned Thanks for taking my call. I just wanted to talk a little bit about the gambling scandal that's going in the NBA and maybe something that kind of steered it in the direction and gave it some of the information that it needed. And it might be from a friend of the show, some informations out there that they're connecting all three of these players to Rick the Tino. That has nothing to do with it. If you look back, the Feds did a raid in July of twenty twenty two, and in that raid, all they took was money, which tells you they were looking for other things. Now when they do these raids, they might be asking for information. Because everybody knows about Sammy the Bolgervano, everybody knows about Michael Francici. They are snitches and so that's how the Feds do this. They get ideas and then they need somebody to break Now. Unfortunately, if you look at it, the court case for this person that had the July twenty twenty two raid was in September of twenty twenty five. His co conspirators are actually connected to a transnational Israeli crime organization. And the sad part about it is you look at it differently today because this friend of the show's son was also an auto accident that was supposedly from a steering wheell malfunction. Now it might be taking a few steps, but I do believe there's information that Gilbert Arenez has provided to be able to soften his case of conspiracy at his Latino home when he kind of got raided in July twenty twenty two. I didn't know if Gilbert has been contacted or might be able to come on the show or can talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Andrew. Once again, that is speculation. Gil is not talking, and if he is, he'll be talking on his own podcast. Can I connect the Dodds. No, there's only so much information we have now. I have made calls. I did talk about, you know, Gilbert Arenas in his situation, but once again, you can't just throw it out there. I mean, this is really serious. This is potentially devastating to the NBA. If one of your coaches maybe gave information to gamblers, and what happens is you get compromised, and maybe Chauncey Billups got compromised, or Gilbert Arenas got compromised, or Terry Rogier or Damon Jones. Then you have to give us information you owe us. You can pay off your debt. This is how it works.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that happen, but you have to look at these things wide eyed and say, why would Gilbert Arenas or why would Chauncey Billups get involved in this? Sometimes you get involved in something and you don't know what you're involved in until it's too late. Now you get compromised and did that happen? We don't know. But I got to be fair to the investigation here because you can speculate. And this isn't This isn't a time or a place for hot takes. Not with something like this. You can have a hot take on the Viking season, not on this.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Pauline.

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Speaker 7: Gilbert Arenas on his own personal Twitter verified Twitter yesterday posted kind of a jokey photograph of him with a bag of food. It says, got that informant lunch special.

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Speaker 2: This morning. That was nineteen hours ago.

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Speaker 7: You know, so Gilbert is having fun with it on social media.

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Speaker 2: But didn't he have one about Gilbert the snitch that I didn't see? Was there something on that yesterday? Marvin, He's he's been kind of having fun with this.

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Speaker 8: He's alluded to it in a couple of times on his podcast. He alluded to it a little bit. And then I think the some of the co hosts were like, don't play like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let me take a break. Brian Windhorst will join us on Loan from the Mothership, more of your phone calls, and the man who gave us round Ball Rock, John Tesh, will stop by to perform Roundball Rock a little later on back after this Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR, or stream us live on the Peacock app. Hey, it's me Rock Parker.

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Speaker 2: Coming up will zero in on some of the Marquis matchups college and pro football. Also, the most must win game of the weekend, we'll have that for you coming up as well. Cindy and North Carolina while we wait for Brian Winhorse from the Mothership. Hi, Cindy, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 11: Hi? Long suffering Dolphins fan here. As I was watching the game last night, I thought, oh, yeah, we played the next Thursday night. And I looked at our schedule and I realized, oh my goodness, we have four more standalone games, including an international game and a flex game, and then, of course, to cap it all off on Pearl Harbor Day, we played the Jet So I'm wondering what would compel the NFL to put us in a total of six standalone games and a Flex game.

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Speaker 2: Well, you were a playoff team and they probably looked at you as with Tyreek Hill and Tua and why not that they were going to showcase you. They thought you were actually going to be good, Cindy. They made a mistake. Even with Tyreek, you guys weren't very good. The Tuist situation isn't getting better, and it feels like there's going to be a house cleaning at the end of the year. But those standalone games are tough because then everybody has an opinion about your team. If you played at one o'clock on a Sunday, nobody has an opinion. But a standalone a Thursday or a Sunday or a Monday, and then the next day, everybody's got an opinion about your team. Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 7: And when there's a backup quarterback, the promo has to pivot. It can't be Carson Wentz Justin Herbert. It's got to be Justin Jefferson and the offense takes on Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 2: H Stu in Indiana. Hi Stu, what's on your mind today? Hi Dan? Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a little You mentioned the coach in the final scene of Hoosiers the final game. That coach is that coach's name, He's an actual legendary coach here in Indiana. His name is Ray Crow. He's probably in the top five or top ten and all time wins here in Indiana and high school boys basketball. And I'm driving, so I didn't have a way to check this, but I believe he was the head coach of the high school team from Indianapolis, indian Christmas Attics. And I think that team was the first high school team in Indiana that was all black to win a state title.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Oscar Robertson's team. Yeah, Oscar Robertson Christmas Addics. Yeah, Yeah, I was talking about that. You have this final seconds turnover and you know, Jimmy Chitwood's gonna hit a game winner, and the coach was like smiling. I don't know. It felt like they were taking cutaways and putting him in and they had to. There should have been a little more anguish there. Maybe I was looking for a little more acting from coach. Yes, Pauline.

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Speaker 7: So at the end of Hoosier's Jimmy Chitwood holds the ball for maybe twenty seconds and then takes a shot in the real game. I think it was mile in high school. The guy his name was Bobby Plump. He held the ball for four straight minutes, motionless, with a tide game, and then took the last shot.

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Speaker 2: Four minutes no shot clock. Yeah it's not good, but back then that would have been bad in the movie. But I thought, if I'd come up on you, then there can be five seconds and then there's a jump ball. Not in high school.

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Speaker 7: Back in the fifties, there was no shot clock, there was no five second rule checking a play. Yeah, he stood there motionless for a five minutes, four minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why all the greatness of Dean Smith. And then he ran those four corners. I mean he had Phil Ford, and I don't know, I hated that stalling tactic, but you had teams that were able to do that. Yeah, Marmon, Yeah, Michael Jordan on my team, let's run a four corner. Yeah, talking about but Phil Ford was a great point guard. He's one of those all time great college players, but not necessarily a good pro career. In fact, I don't even know how much he played in the NBA. Ernie d. Gregorio played for Providence. They went to the Final Four. Back in the early seventies. He was a dynamic point guard. He was Rookie of the Year I think for the Buffalo Braves, coached by Jack Ramsey, and they had Bob McAdoo, but he kind of trailed off as well. You know, they're just certain guys that they have these unbelievable college careers. Rick Mount. Rick Mount's one of the greatest scores in college basketball history, but he was just kind of undersized when he went to the NBA. I think the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paulin Yeah, Phil Ford played seven years in the NBA. A bit starter, a little bit bench.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great player, not a great shooter, but a great leader, great you know, ball handler, run the four corners. Hey, let's go watch a team stall.

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Speaker 8: North Carolina of all like you have.

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Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of five stars. Yeah. Well I don't think they were labeled five stars back.

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Speaker 8: Then, but if you go to North Carolina, you're somebody. Yeah yeah, oh you know what, let's just stall like were UNBC or somebody like that.

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Speaker 2: Jason Jason in Phoenix, Hi, jaswit's on your mind?

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Speaker 13: Hey, thanks for taking my call, guys, Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty not happy right now. Like two things really got me kind of ert. Just this whole pitching situation with the Dodgers one point five billion dollars, it's just a it's a monopoly, and then shake go to Alexander Man, let's push off thing. It just I played basketball. I cannot stand. I want to like literally fight him, like watching him push off his people and like the rep not calling it, like what.

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Speaker 10: The heck.

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Speaker 2: Jason got anger issues? Yeah, to push off it's okay, you know, great players get away with stuff. Yeah, but he's pushing off. I know he is.

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Speaker 11: He is.

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Speaker 2: Not to the point where you should want to fight Shay gilgis Alexander our question?

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Speaker 7: Like the tush push bothers me. But Kelsey, I'm not going to come.

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Speaker 2: From I'm not going after you know, Jalen Hurds. Yeah. Let's see Aiden in Utah, Hi, Aiden, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hey Dan?

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Speaker 3: Good morning?

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Speaker 2: Good morning?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been in big component Oh sorry, I've always pushed that the NBA is not really the NFL is not really to fight back against everybody who claims it is. I still don't believe that it is. But just watching this go down. It's it's crazy. I was watching ESPN yesterday a green he had shams on and on the bottom ticker it was a promo for ESPN Bett and it's just like, while they're talking about the gambling situation, It's like what what what would they what would have to happen for gambling to be outlawed again?

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Speaker 2: It's not happening. That ship has that yacht has sailed. It's on a ship for that. It's it's it's a yacht. Brian Windhors, ESPN Senior NBA writer, Wendy, thanks for joining us. I know you're busy. When did you get a heads up that, uh, there was something going on here. Let's start with Chauncey Billups. We knew about Terry Rougier, but Chauncey Billups and he heads up.

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Speaker 14: Good morning Dan. I had no heads up, and I'm not sure Chauncey did either. You know. I was here in l A and stay at the same hotel as the Timberwolves, and I ran into some Timberwolves folks yesterday in the hotel like an hour after this happened. And they had been in Portland the night before they played against the Blazers, some of the players, some of the folks I talked to who said they talked to Chauncey. They complimented him on the way the team looked. They had a real close game, came right down to the final minute, and their home opener against Minnesota. Chauncey talked about how excited he was about the team, about how good of a training camp they had. I don't think Chauncey knew it was coming either. Maybe he knew he was the subject of an investigation, that's possible, but the fact that he was going to get arrested in the in the wee hours, I don't think he knew was coming. I'm not sure how much heads up the NBA had. I'm sure they knew it before I did, but I'm not sure that's how the FEDS operate.

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Speaker 2: What's the worst accusation pertaining to the NBA in your opinion.

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Speaker 14: I don't think that this is a scandal that rocks the NBA to its core. I know that there are people that are going to use it to say that, and certainly their association with sports betting can be called into question, as all people associated with sports can be a ESPNS can be.

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Speaker 4: This.

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Speaker 14: Really there's two accusations here, and I think the poker stuff is fascinating. I mean, you know, this is right out of a movie. You're talking about mob stuff, You're talking about cheating at poker games, rigging poker games. That was all interesting at the press conference. None of that has anything to do with the NBA. Now there are potentially NBA people who were at these games. I'm sort of fascinated that the Justice Department seems interested in protecting the rights of people playing in illegal poker games, like they're worried about the victims playing illegal poker games. But that's for another day. But the Genavizy crime family or whatever I laughed out loud about four times at that press conference, that has nothing to do with the NBA. There's two different cases here. They were tied together in the announcement, and I understand why they did that. Within the case against the folks involved with the NBA, there are two different accusations. One is that that that two players took themselves out of games so their unders would hit. Both of them were publicly known. John Tay Porter has already played guilty UH and has probably been an informant on this case. The other Terry Rogier, was known and was investigated by the league, and he continued to play. And that's definitely something the league has to address, and I will I talked to Lee about that, and I'll tell you in a minute what they said. That is certainly a concern. That is not something that was new news. It was new that Terry Rogier got federal charges, but that was not new, So can you can be upset by that, but it was something the league was already aware of. The other thing that was accused was three different individuals were accused of leaking information two betters about who's going to be available in the games. One was John cy Bill up one with Damon Jones, and one is an indirect Orlando Magic player that was unnamed or the Magic player told somebody who told somebody else, and they don't even indict anybody there. And that has been a soft target for the NBA DAN for decades. The team decides or knows when a star player or any player is going to play in the morning usually and then doesn't reflect it on the injury report because they're worried about strategy and letting the other team know, and there's this window of hours where there's inside information available. People have exploited that for decades and that is what Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones are being accused of. There's a problem the NBA has tried to address. They've tightened their injury reporting rules, they've fined teams for not following them, but there's still a window there that can be exploited and that's what this is. So it's definitely serious. The NBA has got to worry about prop betting, and the Adam Silver has talked about this. This is the addressing of a problem that has existed for a long time. It's not nothing, but I don't think it's like a scandal that's rocking the league. They're going to have to change some policies, but it's and it's mostly shocking that it ensnares a Hall of Famer like Chauncey Billups. And let's wait and see who else might get involved with a poker because NBA guys like to play poker and they're not all in casinos, so I'll see about that. But this is huge headlines, but I'm not sure that this is the dire scandal that it may seem if you just watched the press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Brian Windhorst of ESPN, senior NBA writer, the one that stood out was Chauncey Billups letting somebody know that he was going to be arresting his starters that they were quote unquote tanking. That to me is troubling because that's from a head coach. That's not a former player like Damon Jones. That's a head coach. So that's the one that's the most troubling for me.

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Speaker 14: I would agree, I would agree, and I would say that in the indictment, and I'm only going by what's in the indictment, Dan, and I will tell you the indictments about forty pages long. I read the indictment from front to back, and I'm not sure how many people who are talking about the indictment actually read it. Okay, So in the indictment, it doesn't accuse Chauncey Billups of selling the information. It does accuse Damon Jones of selling the information. In fact, in the indictment that names Chauncey Billup actually doesn't name him. For a first tie was co conspirator eight, but then gives his resume. It practically gives a social Security number. It's very clear who it is. It doesn't say that he did it for money. It doesn't say what he did it for.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 14: Let's if it comes out that he knew that this individual that he told was going to sell it to betters. That's really bad. If if if he had some sort of you know, maybe he owed somebody money and did it as a favor, If there was some sort of return from that, then I think you're looking at something serious. If it was just Chauncey having loose lips, and that loose lips leading to hundreds of tens of thousand dollars in betting winnings, that's different. The FBI does not accuse him of selling it. The FBI accuses Damon Jones of selling it. In fact, the FBI says that Damon sold information on Lakers players to multiple games, and one of the games proved to be wrong. The betters lost the bet, and the guys wanted their money back. So I am gonna it is very upsetting that Chauncey is involved in this. The league has to take serious action as it involves with their public information versus private information on player availability. But I am not going to sit here and say, oh my god, this is the end of the NBA and everything's got to be reevaluated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we have the headlines and their juicy, and you're right, we don't do deep dives much anymore. If you're Adam Silver, what would be your game plan if you were advising him?

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Speaker 14: Yeah. So the first thing I would say is the thing that the league is going to have to address is why Terry Rogier was investigated by the league and was allowed to keep playing. And when the Feds investigat them, they ended up indicting them. That the league has a little bit of egg on its face on this one. So I asked a question of the league, how did that happen? And this is the answer that they gave me on the record. League spokesman Mike Bass I'll tell you his name, but he's speaking for the Adam Silver. Basically, it's that the NBA is not the Justice Department. They can't do wire taps, they can't have witnesses roll over on each other, they can't get access to everybody's text messages. Then they can do investigation. They can you know, they can get some access to some people's phones. They can do investigations in terms of you know, asking people and and sort of threatening them and whatever. And I even asked them, I go, well, what did you do in your investigation? And they say, we're not going to say what we did because we don't want everybody to know the taxics we use. But they certainly don't have the Justice Department. And that sounds a little upsetting, but it's also candid. You know, the NBA saying we're not the Justice Department is a candid answer. It's not a satisfactory answer, but it's a candid answer. So now what Adam Silver is going to have to do is explain what the league can do. Okay, they can't be the Justice Department, but now it's incumbent on him, but what they can do in these types of investigations. And then here's something that's just got to be simple, Dan, I've actually talked about this for years. They've just got to be more honest with injuries. That the teams cover up injuries for strategic reasons. I'm not asking them to reveal a player's exact health information and violate hippo laws, but if forty people in the team organization. Forty people want to shoot around that morning and know that the star player is not playing at six o'clock or at seven o'clock. They need to tell the world that. And sometimes it is a game time decision. Sometimes a star player has to go out there and stretch out and see how his calf fields, and see how's wrist field or whatnot. Sometimes the concussion protocol isn't determined until closer to the game. So say that, you know, but there is this soft target that the NBA has had for decades. I mean reporters are asked to operate in that field all the time. We are asked, you know, to come on television and say whether Lebron James is playing or not because maybe we happen to know that he went through shoot around or something like. Of love's nature. That is something that the game was tried to get the information and have gotten that information for decades. So the NBA has got to tighten that, and this investigation is probably going to force them to do it. They have tightened it some. They haven't just put their hands in their pockets. When sports betting came in, they changed their rules, but the rules haven't gone far enough, and this accusation is in the cracks that there are still people operating in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to get rid of prop that's you know, especially college athletes. They should not be involved with prop bets. There's enough pressure there. I don't know if I mean, are we too far down the road that if the NBA said to FanDuel DraftKings whoever Vegas, no more prop bets, do they have any authority to do that.

00:34:16
Speaker 14: That's not my end of the business. I couldn't tell you. I would say though, that, like I've not seen gambling walk back in one. Iota may maybe at some point it will have to be just for society, but I've only seen it go one way, and I think you're right. I think the people that are that are most susceptible to being compromised are people who have nothing to lose. Okay, A lot of NBA players have a lot to lose. Okay, Even John tay Porter, who was holding on to the NBA by the skin of his teeth, had a lot to lose. College players, there are certain college players who know their careers are not going anywhere, who don't have anything to lose. And so that's college's softs spot. Before I covered the NBA, I covered the min American Conference. Okay, there's a ton of players in that conference whose careers are going to end and where they're at, they have nothing to lose. That's a soft spot for college. That may has not been a scandal yet, but I'd be worried about it, just like you can find me talking about this this gap that where the NBA, you know, the game time decision gap. I've talked about that over the years. This indictment surprised me in terms of Chauncey Billups being involved, it did not surprise me that this is the spot where gamblers could take advantage.

00:35:34
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, have a good weekend, Thanks for taking time. Thank wading here. It's Brian Winhorse, ESPN, Senior NBA writer. I remember being at the NBA Finals and somebody had told me some information and yeah, I wasn't passing it on. I'm not a gambler, but it was valuable information to a gambler, and I you know, I didn't really think about it, and they probably didn't think about it either. But if you put that in the wrong hands, you know, that's that's when you have situations like this because and you know, Brian brings up great things, you know, like Chefty's going to find out a lot of information, but he's got to be really careful in what he says with that information because the amount of money that's bet and you're talking about sometimes it's a half point, now, the over under point spread, injury, who's hurt, who might not play, who's not going to be a hundred? Like just little things. And how many times do these games come down to, hey, usc Notre Dame? What was the point spread? Nine and a half? Notre Dame? One by ten? And that's where people get misconstrued on oh it's fixed. No, that's Vegas doing its job. Vegas isn't fixing these games. Vegas is really good at telling you this is what's going to happen. And that was a classic example. Is that so weird?

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Speaker 6: Wh do you though?

00:37:01
Speaker 2: I know? People? How are they that good? I know? But people like that's why it's fixed, you know, ten points spread and they had it at nine and a half. I give them credit. That's why I don't bet. I can't beat him. Take a break. The most must win game of the weekend. We'll have that for you coming up. More of your phone calls after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. Nothing like King Sawaian sliders Sundays to enjoy the NFL games with friends and family and football all he hates alliteration. Make that watch party or tailgates special a great one. Pick up King Sawaian this weekend. Sliding into the weekend, Let's see, we got A and M against LSU. Wow. A and M is favored in that game. Can you imagine if Brian Kelly loses another game before he goes into maybe the tougher part of their schedule. A and M is favored by two and a half at LSU. See that's one of those that screams LSU. Yeah, PAULI.

00:38:18
Speaker 7: LSU has lost two of their last three. They got A and M at Alabama, a spicy Arkansas squad, and then they finished with Oklahoma.

00:38:29
Speaker 2: Ole Miss and Oklahoma so Ole Miss runs the football usually think Lane Kiffin, I'm going to pass the ball. So you have baseball. You have game one tonight, Game two on Saturday, Timberwolves at the Lakers. That's Anthony Edwards against Luka Doncic and Bears Ravens. And you have the Ravens favored by six and a half at home against a four and two Chicago Bears. Chicago Bears contenders or pen there's.

00:39:01
Speaker 7: Is there something between those two because they're neither.

00:39:06
Speaker 2: I think they're contenders.

00:39:10
Speaker 7: I don't think their contention to do any real damage in the NFC playoffs, Okay, and they're not a bad team. There's gotta be some type of in between.

00:39:18
Speaker 2: Slide into the weekend with a slighter Sunday courtesy at Kingswaian. You'll find them in the Bakery Deai section of your local grocery store. Time to play Best Week in Sports? Who had the best week in sports? By the way, the most must win game of the weekend, Next hour, Next hour, Todd Who had the best week in sports?

00:39:38
Speaker 4: George Springer and the Toronto Blue Jayson in thirty two years That three run homer and they are taking on the Dodgers starting tonight.

00:39:44
Speaker 2: I like that.

00:39:45
Speaker 6: I like that seatan best week in sports, Victor webin Yama. He's back back in a big way from some pretty serious health concerns too. What do you have like forty fifteen and something.

00:39:59
Speaker 2: Ye, it's a great way to announce you are back. Yeah, that's one of those they forget. Oh what was he out for? Blood clots? You know that's not one of those high ankle springs.

00:40:09
Speaker 6: Some kind of thrombosis situation. That's never good, Marvin.

00:40:14
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with the Oklahoma City thunder SGA, that whole crew. They raised their banner opening night. They won two straight double overtime games, and shay Gil just had fifty five last night.

00:40:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you said ninety five in the first two games, Paulie.

00:40:28
Speaker 7: This is simple, but it's Shoho Tani. The game last Friday was all timer and a reminder to everybody. He's gonna win the NL MVP in the next few weeks. He's got to be an incredible overwhelming odds to win World Series MVP.

00:40:42
Speaker 2: But when did the week start that we're talking about, because that was a week ago. Tonight best month though, works.

00:40:50
Speaker 6: I Sometimes I'll go back Friday to Friday.

00:40:53
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I just wanted I didn't know what our definition of a week one just under the wire. Does it start on Sunday or Monday?

00:41:00
Speaker 6: It starts Friday at noon, Friday at noon, because that's when we're off the air. So our weekend starts Friday at noon. You can go Friday right up until this Friday morning. That's how I determined that one.

00:41:11
Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean, just ask a question. That's what I do for a living. Do you want to give us an update on the poll results? Do I want to? Will you? Yes? I will affter the Oh wow, okay, well that's going to keep everybody. Oh yeah. And then John Tesh is going to join us and he's going to play round Ball rock for us. Todd, you're not singing, We're we're not singing. And the most must win game of the weekend, we'll have that for you as well. More of your phone calls. Fritzy Seat and Marv Paula, yours truly the final hour in this meet Friday after this