Fallen Angel | RHOP Recap with Dustin, Claudia, and Blue

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Speaker 1: But you hurt something too deathly. You to tell me a tomboo.

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Speaker 3: I can't say nothing backstage that's anything?

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Speaker 4: Can I just shout out?

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Speaker 5: This weekend I got to Kennedy with the Town and she had a book signing, and she is like spilling old legendary tea about Bill Cosby. How she was supposed to get credit for being one of the creators of the Cosby Show and she was told to be.

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Speaker 4: Clear, hustable, and that didn't happen.

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Speaker 5: But she was really more upset about not getting the credit helped created by Please go get her book. I got the book, plain Jane. I got to go see her. She was hearing fort Worth. She looks gorgeous. She teared up talking about the industry and how she was ostracized and thrown away because you know back then, you know, her doing Playboy and not even getting naked, like the way they treat black women didn't get any grace. Was just in ridiculous. It's such I cannot wait to read the book book. From what she talked about at the book signing, you got to check her out and I Breakfast Club, Sherry Shepard, everybody please get her on your couch and interview this woman about her book. And she's finally telling you a story Colors. You know, we had that meeting with her years ago.

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Speaker 1: Years ago at I forgot the name of the.

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Speaker 6: BA.

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Speaker 5: She seems in a much more comfortable place because you talked about the things she did not want in the film that we're talking to and we're talking about her about a reality show. She seems like in a much more open place now.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, and the thing is, you're talking about Claudia playing her favor her a lot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot.

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Speaker 3: You've been talking about that for years, so this is something you serious about.

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Speaker 5: She said of everybody that has asked her about it, that I looked the most like her.

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Speaker 4: But I, in my heart is into it because I love her story.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's horrible how she got thrown away over a sex tape and sexy pictures with her husband for and women nowadays and men get on that way, so something that makes a career. Now we're totally breaking back then and such a trailblazer in media.

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Speaker 4: Black women that are in media should know her story. So salute, I salute the utmost respect for Jane Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: She could do only fans now that's a that's a niche market, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well not about I was sexy fiction, you know, not.

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Speaker 6: Listen.

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Speaker 1: But Claudia is seriously so no.

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Speaker 2: So Claudia and I had dinner with her, and Claudia looked so much like her. She could not have a more sweet, more kind and I'm so proud that.

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Speaker 1: She decided to like continue the book because Claudia was right.

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Speaker 2: She was very you listen, rightfully so rightfully so she was very what's the word should use, just not from.

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Speaker 5: She was definitely shell shocks still because she said once the you know, the negative news about her came out, every single booking called and said you're no longer invited to our city. They canceled everything, and she went into hiding, which I think is said, so she's been in hiding. So I think she was very skittish at the time, right, maybe that's the word for out there.

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Speaker 3: And understandably so yeah, and that I should have fuck you up for a long time. When you go have experiences like that, people just do you wrong in mass saying that'll miss anybody up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but she's finally telling it. So, yeah, we had a meeting.

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Speaker 5: It was actually you know that ten year challenges right now? It was ten years ago.

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Speaker 7: Oh it was your twenty sixteen, Yeah it was.

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Speaker 5: But anyways, that's the nice part of the show. Were about to get shady, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, listen.

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Speaker 2: With all that being said, let's kick things off again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for I don't I do not pick for granted.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all, Claudia, Dustin and Blue for being available on holiday.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having us man.

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Speaker 2: So I'm grateful for the three of you always, and I'm grateful for the range jobs who decided to Now we have twenty five hundred people my right now and we're only been ten minutes in, so let's get right into it. Okay, we're gonna talk about the real houseboats of Potomac. I have very strong feelings about this episode and I cannot talk about it with my group. But first things first, we have to get into a reading session that happened. And no, I'm gonna talk about reading Rainbow. I'm not talking about readers digest. Okay, I am talking about Quad Web, who shaded the fuck out of Gazelle Kobe Bryant on Watch What Happens Live on Sunday Night. So before I hear from the panel, let me tell the rain drops exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: So, as you all know, Robin Dixon and Giselle.

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Speaker 2: Bryant have a podcast called Reasonably Shady is on the Black Offfed network their family. So Robin and Gizelle were talking about the news that ky Michelle was allegedly joining the Real Housewives of Atlanta and how Angel, formerly a Basketball Wives was joining Married to Medicine. As we all know, they said some things cay Michelle checked, Robin said all sorts of things about her because Robin pretty much I'm paraphrasy, but Robin was pretty much saying, how like you know, they must run They must be running out of people to cast a former love and hip hop star. Gazelle said they must be rummaging and recycling when it came to her knowing that Angel from Basketball Wives was joining Marriton Medicine.

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Speaker 1: Quad and Gazelle were both.

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Speaker 2: The guests of Andy Cohen Show Sunday Night, Quad decided to confront her head on live on television and pretty much told Giselle that I heard what you said.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like you a lot. I love you, boots.

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Speaker 2: However, you made some comments about my show men lie numbers, don't lie. Mariti Medicine is actually doing better than Potomac and Salt Lake City, and you did say some things about rummaging and recycling with Angel Ang's a beautiful person. Gizelle said, I didn't say that. Robin did, and she said, if you have an issue with Robin, I'm not her.

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Speaker 1: Quad said, I know, Robin. That's my sorrow.

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Speaker 2: I know she is y'all don't even look alike, but I believe you did say it.

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Speaker 1: Rote that beautiful being footage.

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Speaker 2: We did, and Quad, we we are journalists, Hey Porscha, Hey Claudia, as journalists. We did roll the beautiful footage and Quad was right. Gizelle literally said what Quad said. She said, I want to start with blue Blue. What were your thoughts when you saw all of that unfold?

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Speaker 8: When I saw it unfold, I could tell that Gizelle is so used to people coming at her sideways that direct communication confuses her.

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Speaker 7: Because she was stuttered. She was buffering.

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Speaker 8: You could see a little circle around her head going in circles. And the fact that she threw Robin under the bus was bizarre to me because I thought that was your greed I abandoned, like I thought that was your homewhere, your ace bon coon. And it just shows that Gazelle has an allegiance to just being for Cizel.

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Speaker 7: Gazelle's worried about Jazelle.

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Speaker 8: Anybody who tries to align with her, if it doesn't behoove her, she will throw you under the bus. I was actually, for the first time, felt bad for Robin for being scapegoaded. And I don't think I would ever say that, never thought those words would leave my lips, but I felt bath Robin Dixon, So that took a lot. It made me even more obsessed with Quad though, because Quad leined in. She was like, I want you to mount my breath when I check you, like she she made sure that they were this close. Giselle had to actually pull back if she watched the body language, so y'all had to pull back because she was like, I want to see my eye wives when I check you on this and when she saillell lies. She's like, that's fine, I know what I saw. You were involved, Tell them it was me. And I just think that Quad is right married to medicine. I think that show doesn't get enough credit a lot of times in the Bravo verse because the housewives are seeing as the top echelon, and Gazelle is so used to running circles around people. Because Karen Huger isn't there, she might have forgotten what's happening. In the other franchises, you don't mess with the Squad. There's receipts to tell you that you don't mess with Miss Squad. So I loved seeing Gazelle be reminded that she's not the queen of the world.

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Speaker 1: Claudia Jordan.

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Speaker 5: I like direct con I like going straight to the so my damn self, I'm a very direct person. All the beating around the bush, That's why it's like it frustrates me with people don't so I appreciate that. I think the conversation is like that, even the topic, it's not that big of a deal. Shows do that cross pollinate. It's not a big deal, and then they and I will say.

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Speaker 4: I think Potomac's probably done it the least, you know what I mean, Like.

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Speaker 5: Housewives has done it, Marriage to Medicine has definitely done it.

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Speaker 4: But so who cares.

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Speaker 5: It's like it's a non thing, Like whatever gives us a good show, I'm here for it.

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Speaker 4: But I thought that was joked. The way Qui did it. She gave her I won't.

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Speaker 5: Even say nice nasty because she was like, I love you, but I'm gonna hold you accountable. And and Giselle did live. You know, we can be nice on the low end, we can say that, she forgots. On the high end, she's with lying, you know what I mean. So you know, I don't know why you would do that when people can easily roll back the footage.

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Speaker 4: So I think she was totally caught off guard.

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Speaker 5: So she was like, I didn't say it, but to throw you a girl on the bus, which she should have said. Up it was me like I have a terrible memory and I probably do say shady stuff. I would have said, we did say that, And here's why, you know what I mean, I think that's a better way of handling it, because then who can fault you for that? Like you stood your ground, and she, of all people, one knows like we're dealing with Angel this whole season. How much you can't stand when people don't stand their ground, and then for you to not like she should have just said, yeah, I did say that would have been dope, but you know, to say now she took an l on that one.

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Speaker 4: She took a.

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Speaker 1: Sure dustin ross.

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Speaker 3: Laugh already, man, Look, I ain't even finn over intellectualize this shit. Chouad check the shit out of Zel right there on that Watch What Happens Live stage.

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Speaker 6: That was some old school back of the bus outside of the school yard. Ass.

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Speaker 3: You know, a nice little one too. She she checked her real smooth, real church like. It was very much like you know, I'm a past. It was like she had a peppermint in her mouth at church while she was checking Jazelle.

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Speaker 6: That's what it felt, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows Gazelle is the big dog over Epotomac, and we know that she's really not a quick witted person. She's a confessional gangster that's so to speak, or whatever the fuck they call it. But she's not one who can really get in the paint. Right there, a person a person face to face and have a war of words. That's why Candis used to eat her alive every re union. Y'all know how it's gonna go care and be tearing her up. Is Jamal coming all that shit. You know we haven't forgotten about none of that, so we just i mean unfortunately, like her arms was too short to box with Quad.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Quid straight up checked her. It was nice and nasty.

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Speaker 3: It was Giselle was embarrassed, which made it even funnier to watch and see.

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Speaker 6: That's why she ended up throwing.

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Speaker 3: You know, somebody got your ass on the ropes when you go to just giving up your friends and family, like fuck it, say take them, not me, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: Because Quid literally had Gazelle on the ropes head busted and swoll up like Martin when Tommy Hearns had whooped his ass on that one episode. That's how you look by the time that verbal exchange was over, and it was so good to watch. Our Quiet is notorious for getting in that chair. She checked Kenya in that chair. She checked a few people in that what what Happens Live chair. That's what Qui does and the fact that she threw in the stats from the ratings or whatever. That was just twisting the knife. It was good to latch entertainment. I loved it. Quiet told her ass up, that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: I watched that clip summertimes because look, I've drove all three of you guys.

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Speaker 1: I like direct communication.

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Speaker 2: You know, nothing makes me more annoy than when you speak in your confessionals versus of the person's face.

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Speaker 1: I hate subtle shade online, like.

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Speaker 2: Put put a name on it, you know, the way Jada Wade did this weekend.

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Speaker 1: You know that's a but heye, Jada, hey, Ari?

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Speaker 6: Did I stuttered?

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Speaker 1: Right? Did I stutter?

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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Speaker 1: That's why Mama Lay is vine old crew.

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Speaker 2: But I love Quad because, like Dustin said, Quad is somebody and this is how I.

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Speaker 1: Feel Quad feels.

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Speaker 2: Quad has always said publicly, along with the other Maritime Medicine cast members, they do feel like they are the esteem step children of the network.

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Speaker 1: Not that they never did anything.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's more so of how Housewives obviously, even today is the biggest franchise in the world.

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Speaker 1: It's an international show.

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Speaker 2: Even if you're a show, two times your celebrity skyrockets like no other, and it happens really fast. I've always said this, and I love all the shows, but I've said this for years. If this ain't no secret, Maritime Medicine is the best.

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Speaker 1: Show on Bravo. And I've always said that for years.

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Speaker 2: I've always said it's the show that you guys aren't watching. You guys are watching it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: What Quad pointed out obviously was listen one one week Maritive Medicine live day ratings did be Potomac and Salt Lake City, right, So that's what she was referring to. A lot of people in the comments are asking whether she mean by that she was referring to that particular week where it did happen. Marritive Medicine has a lot to celebrate, and I think, look, I think in quast defense, I think it's two things.

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Speaker 1: One, you do get tired of people.

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Speaker 2: Shading your show, and especially when it comes to Housewives, because Housewives is seen as the upper echelonas them show, it's the same. The four of us talked about ky Michelle joining the show and how people have this reaction to it because people do look at Love and Hip Hop like it's a Ratchett show. Lest they think it's ratchet for several reasons, one of them, I want it.

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Speaker 7: I have a lot of friends on that show.

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Speaker 4: Work I got.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking I'm not looking forward to Thursday. I gotta do some I'm like, I can't believe it's happened to me.

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Speaker 6: Happened you better. I know it's your glass. Better not miss.

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Speaker 3: If they got you on that mother fucking throwing drinks and ship, you better connect with the glass.

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Speaker 6: Claudia, Oh no, no, I.

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Speaker 4: Would not be the duck ducky.

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Speaker 5: If I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do the show, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So to look so so it's just in Quas defense.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was He's tired American medicine being seen as second fiddle and Angel in real life, Angel is really Quas friend.

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Speaker 1: And has been her friend for almost a decade of not more. They're really friends.

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Speaker 3: That was about that makes perfectly okay.

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Speaker 2: It's like if someone said anything about you three, I'm not gonna sit there and not say anything by the next to the person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like can sha Qualdia doesn't bluw it in front of me, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2: Like me and Claudia talked about this how the beginning, like you got Claudia, Yes, I do, and she will be here as long as you want to. Like, I don't care what I gotta.

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Speaker 4: Say so mad, that'd be so mad. I'm cute, funny.

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Speaker 9: Well now, but that's what I mean. You had an ever, I mean, what's no? But again, I'm not way small.

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Speaker 5: Yes I'm bragging again, gun Ship Okay, sorry, as you should.

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Speaker 1: So I'm with Quid. I'm always gonna diferend friend my friend.

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Speaker 3: Now, hmm, way, Carlos, let's stay in there for a second. I don't want to want to throw you off, but that makes perfect sense because I don't know if y'all watch that whole episode to watch what happens. Why I was throwing shots at Jasel the entire entire episode.

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Speaker 6: Challenging, pushing back everything anything Jazelle said. Why I was pushing back against it.

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Speaker 3: She was asking questions and response to shit that Gazelle was saying.

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Speaker 6: She was giving Gazelle a hard time literally.

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Speaker 3: So that little piece of information you just gave us about the connection that Angeline Quiet has makes so much sense now because I was just thinking so damn Quiet don't fuck with Gazelle at all.

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Speaker 6: But now I know why that makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah on her neck.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, she actually likes Gazelle, but she wanted and listen. That's why no one can make me mad at Quapa what she did, because if you are, if you feel some kind of way, and that person's there, then you have everybody to address it on the network in which both of you guys are stars.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I didn't think, why did enything wrong?

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Speaker 2: Now in Giselle's defense, oh listen, listen, like Claudia was alluding too earlier. When you have a podcast, you do say a bunch of stuff, and it is sometimes hard to remember on a I'll speak for myself.

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Speaker 1: I share my podcast with a lot of people, right.

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Speaker 2: So sometimes I may not remember exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I've been confronted by Robin Dixon.

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Speaker 2: At a party I told that story me A Thornton confronted me. I've been confronted by who else rain Draws because I told my Rain Draws long story short. I've been confronted by reality stars based on what I've said on this show or on my own with other people. And ask anybody who knows me, I stand there and I listen and I take it, and I either feel the need to apologize if it's something that I felt was super shady, or I'm gonna stand on business and say I said what I said and keep you pushing.

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Speaker 1: So I do think when it.

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Speaker 2: Comes to the marrit To lady, the Mariti medicine ladies check me, the Moon checked me, I'm not.

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Speaker 6: Responding like that to whom it may concerns.

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Speaker 3: So before anybody say any motherfucking thing to me, I'm not responding the way Carlos do to any of that.

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Speaker 6: And this ain't no dialogue. We offering commentary.

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Speaker 3: I double down every goddamn week about the fact that what we're talking about ain't personal. You're saying something to me in public is personal, and I'm gonna respond accordingly. So I ain't Carlos. I respect and love my brother, but don't say shit to me. I'm just like the public because you're not gonna get a good response at all. It's it's gonna be bad for all of us, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: So just that why.

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Speaker 5: I we got the bail money friend, check me walk.

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Speaker 2: So point my point is it has happened to me I appreciate it when it's face to face and we all dress and we move on from it. So when it comes to Gazelle, I really I do believe Gizelle did not remember.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, I don't think she she did not remember.

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Speaker 2: So in Gizelle's defense, I think she was like we all say, shit, a look, Quad did a damn thing, and Pod come get your batty chain for real.

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Speaker 5: It's something sometimes you do in these shows, though, like the thing you think is gonna get the clicks and they're gonna get clipped doesn't get it. And then something that you just kind of said in passing, because when I watched it was like it was kind of it wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Like a big they didn't make a big deal about that.

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Speaker 5: They kind of talked about a little bit, and you're like kind of like, wait what. But I do think the right response, and I think we said this earlier should have been I don't remember or I did, instead of just immediately your default being to throw your bestie on the buck.

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Speaker 7: It's Robin, that's the part, Like Robin get in it.

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Speaker 8: It's one thing that to remember, it's another thing to be like, oh, I do remember it was Robin like just say you don't remember, but how did Robin just magically appear?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Robin should feel away over that. Yeah, rob should feel away.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you gotta me defending Robin Dixon chown. Let's early, let's go.

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Speaker 5: I'd have been mad if my calls to that to me, like, i'ld be like, fuck, say my name Ship?

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Speaker 7: I got I just walked up in this.

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Speaker 4: How I can Okay, I got enough cancelations out there. I don't need you to add.

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Speaker 3: To Robin's seeing them notifications at two fifteen pm, who got up?

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Speaker 6: She was like, what the hell?

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Speaker 7: It's like, why come look at this?

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Speaker 2: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show.

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Speaker 5: Well, I will say that's gonna make their next episode that they do interesting to watch to see if she has a little latitude towards her, if she.

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Speaker 3: Robin don't give a fuck. She cool tripping by ship like that. You know what I'm saying. She she don't care, She don't care about nothing. The way came and she'ld lit her ass up, caught her a couch potato and ship after when they was talking shit in the first place, and Robin didn't. He rolled off her back. That is one thing. Robin got thick skin.

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Speaker 6: She does. She don't give a damn what they say about her.

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Speaker 5: We did all want what happens live together and we went out to eat afterwards, and I don't I didn't know much about her history, but she was cool to Yeah, you know, I see a lot of people have their very strong opinions on her. But that's admirable not to let stuff like that roll off your back often because that reality thing that that dragging is, it can hurt sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like Dustin said, it may have for great entertainment. I was highly entertained by it. And look, I want to say for the record that I don't think there's any future beef between Quad and Giselle. I think it happened, and I think it's sort of like they moved on from it.

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Speaker 1: So listen.

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Speaker 2: I thought was fascinating as we get into this episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac, this was a hard episode to watch. Yeah, rain Drops, let me know the comments your thoughts on it, So listen. The episode jumped off with you know, Angel in the car and she's talking to the girls, KK and who else with the car It was KK, yeah, being.

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Speaker 7: A follower.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the things that Monique was saying about her in regard to her marriage to Bobby. Seeing the similarities, Angel said, you know, she wants to be able to talk about a hit on and then from there she didn't.

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Speaker 1: Talk about it. But the thing is that.

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Speaker 2: Look, I like Angel a great deal and I want to hear from you guys before we get to what happened on the PJ. When I saw Angel say, she wasn't happy about it and then she did not want to bring it up to Monique.

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Speaker 1: Angel, in my.

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Speaker 2: Opinion, this show just isn't for her and this episode and I'm gonna say way more as we get to the all the scenes, but I want to start about the first one. That moment really did show me that, look, this show has been on for ten seasons and I just don't feel like this show is for her and I don't think these women are her women. And I think that's okay to say. But Claudia, your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: I actually found that episode it was like for entertainment, It was entertaining, but there was also some cringe moments.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: I one agree that this group is not for her.

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Speaker 5: I won't go as far as I've said in the past and say she's should never be on TV. You don't like that because you guys have the whole mercurial mountain and show that you guys want to do.

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Speaker 1: But I.

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Speaker 4: Do think it is I just can't quit you. That's her attitude. I just can't quit this show when she should.

00:27:23
Speaker 5: It's getting painful to watch the abuse every week, and at this point it's getting to starting to feel that way.

00:27:30
Speaker 4: Yes, she contributes to it, but I do.

00:27:32
Speaker 5: Feel like the girls are definitely mean girls to her, and she also contributes to why they mean girls to her.

00:27:38
Speaker 4: But at this point, like I think it's going on.

00:27:40
Speaker 5: Two many weeks where it's like five on one, four on one, and it kind of feels yucky. Like it was funny at first, like you know, they did it to Stacy, then they came over to her and it just never ended. It's actually making her more famous, it's making.

00:27:55
Speaker 4: Her more relevant.

00:27:56
Speaker 5: We talk about her majority of the reviews Angels Angel Angel, Angel, Angel Angel, whether we like it or not. Right, she's getting four episodes from her cast trip that's a lot. That's a third what was that was the third of the season. For how many episodes for the season.

00:28:13
Speaker 1: I'm seventeen so far, almost a quarter.

00:28:15
Speaker 5: Of the season, like a quarter of the season. That's a lot of episodes. I did see. I guess I sent you guys a clip about it was really production. I picked that house and she had to get out the smoke for that, and that definitely does happen. You know, it wasn't on purpose to get storyline, and I think that's something that if that's the case, that's fucked up because she's been getting dragged for that.

00:28:37
Speaker 4: But I do think that.

00:28:38
Speaker 2: Let me add to that because I did see what you see me and I want to talk about it here. So there is this constant creator who is who said Again, Angel didn't say.

00:28:50
Speaker 1: This is some body who said it. I don't know the guy.

00:28:57
Speaker 2: Look, I can confirm that when you are on a cast trip, the production definitely have options they present to you. That is her hometown, that's where she lives. She agreed to that, and that is that.

00:29:14
Speaker 1: Now.

00:29:15
Speaker 2: Look in Angel's defense, though, no, I don't think production on anyone knew the degree of.

00:29:22
Speaker 1: The water situation, which is an unfortunate thing.

00:29:26
Speaker 2: And that's why the focus should definitely be more on that part of it.

00:29:32
Speaker 1: But we also got to be honest here.

00:29:34
Speaker 2: Angel said out of her own mouth in a very mercurial way that she gloated at the accommodation, specifically for Ashley and Gazelle. So yes, Production definitely gave her option. She chose that one. It's sort of like me going to Rhode Island. I don't know anything about Rhode Island. But if I present you option, you say this one, then we we're gonna go with that one.

00:29:59
Speaker 1: We can afford it. But yes, no one.

00:30:02
Speaker 2: Could have predicted the extremities of the water situation and that should not be on Angel at all. And I agree with that. But we also have to be honest here and say, Angel.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: Smirkedly if that's a word.

00:30:19
Speaker 2: Was all her big one happy that her friends kay Kay and Tilla were staying back at the house.

00:30:25
Speaker 1: So take some ownership to that too.

00:30:27
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm saying, like, there's two things to be true at the same time.

00:30:31
Speaker 5: Right, Yes, she may have the productions. The accommodations may, for the benefit of doubt, be out of her hands, because a lot of times does all that who could have forecast that they have to shit in the pot or whatever wherever they had to go to dot. Who would have predicted that it But it does just kind of work out for how her attitude was and how happy she was and how she did glow. So it's like when she's in these positions, she doesn't choose the road that helps her, you know what I mean, Because it looks like it's easy to believe maybe she did, because the way she was like, they're gonna be over there, it doesn't help her out. So again, she contributes to the gifback she gets on the show by her reaction.

00:31:14
Speaker 4: To some of the things.

00:31:15
Speaker 5: Instead of coming back in a funny way and making the best of things, she kind of digs a deeper hole with some of her reactions. And I think that's what's rubbing people the wrong way, and it's making us people not like not be here for her. But I did feel bad for her a few times during this episode. But then I gotta remember, if I was on a cast strip and you set this up and I'm in a place that doesn't have any running water, I'm gonna be just as mad as Gizelle was on the airplane. I don't even think that was an overreaction. If anything, it may have been an underreaction because if I'm I'm I'm not staying in a house where the toilet doesn't work.

00:31:44
Speaker 4: Fuck all that whole bath.

00:31:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, Blue with her thoughts on on Angel, not on Angel filming some kind of way by Monique, and then we'll.

00:31:55
Speaker 1: Get into the PJ situation.

00:31:58
Speaker 8: I think there are mean girls, and Angel's just not as great as everybody else.

00:32:02
Speaker 7: I think they're all mean girls, right.

00:32:04
Speaker 8: So I just it's always tricky for me when I'm being asked to feel bad that one mean girl is not good as good at her attempt at being a mean girl.

00:32:11
Speaker 7: As the other ones are.

00:32:11
Speaker 8: Right, like You're, there's no victims here, in my opinion, I think to Claudia's point, Angel wanted to have a moment of superiority and it blew up in her face.

00:32:21
Speaker 7: She bit off more than she could chew, and she pissed off.

00:32:23
Speaker 8: She wanted Gizelle's approval, but she got herself's attention in a way that she didn't bank on. If you have me doing a whole bath, if you have me squatting in the woods with coyotes ninety minutes away from you. I'm sorry, Angel, I feel bad watching you get the ass open that you kind of aren't. So it's tricky, you know what I mean, Like it's money, something really messed up. And also to watching Angel try to be on the show, it's kind of like watching somebody who's alliterate being a spelling Bee, Like you feel bad for them, but they're not equipped and whose fault is that?

00:32:51
Speaker 4: Like why are you here?

00:32:52
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:32:53
Speaker 4: You know what I mean when you spell mercurial?

00:32:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know you know what I'm saying.

00:32:57
Speaker 8: Yeah, So, like I'm kind of mad you're in the spelling b Baby, you had to learn how to read first, and so like the Spelling Bee didn't didn't really do that to you this this the rules are pretty clear and so for.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: Me my feelings, Angel Carlos, you went dustin.

00:33:14
Speaker 8: When y'all make that face, I find myself questioned me, Am I wrong?

00:33:19
Speaker 1: Though?

00:33:19
Speaker 7: Did I lie?

00:33:20
Speaker 4: No?

00:33:20
Speaker 7: Not at all?

00:33:21
Speaker 1: Open up the floor?

00:33:22
Speaker 7: Did I lie? I won't?

00:33:22
Speaker 4: I won't.

00:33:23
Speaker 7: My cast makes it okay.

00:33:24
Speaker 8: So because she's illiterately at the Spelling Bee, it's kind of like the rules were pretty clear from the front.

00:33:28
Speaker 7: Baby, you have to know how to sign the form, and also too.

00:33:32
Speaker 8: I do think it's a little bizarre that Angel talks so big but seems so scared. Whenever she's a woman to be direct, you're gonna have to pick one baby. I honestly think she's weaponizing her tears. She's very Karen at this point, and we feel bad for Karen.

00:33:46
Speaker 1: So you're supposed to feel bad for her.

00:33:47
Speaker 8: Doesn't mean that you weren't part of the chaos, and so you're feeling bad for Angel was by the sue. I think she's incredibly manipulative. I knew every feel bad for her because they were supposed to. But because of the kind of work I do. We listen to what Tia said, we didn't check on people pissing in pots because we woke up to Angel crying.

00:34:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, when she had the chance to fix that, or to least like, okay, maybe the house, shitty.

00:34:11
Speaker 7: House, you said to yourself.

00:34:13
Speaker 8: Angel always centers herself even when she's not the victim, and makes herself the victim. So I know why you all feel bad, but my training won't allow me to join you.

00:34:23
Speaker 4: She contributed to it.

00:34:24
Speaker 7: She's a Karen. Sorry, not sorry, all right?

00:34:27
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Dustin Wroth, I is Angel or Karen Dustin.

00:34:34
Speaker 6: No what Angel is? Okay, so it's no secret. You know what I'm saying.

00:34:38
Speaker 3: Angel's personality has gotten on my nerves in the earlier episodes of this season, and as we progressed, right, I've been honest about that. However, right she got to stop letting people talk to her crazy.

00:34:52
Speaker 6: It's just that simple.

00:34:53
Speaker 3: Be who you are, use the vernacular you use, hold the tip of your hat all you want. Stop letting these people talk to you like they have lost their fucking minds. The way that Giselle Bryant set on that airplane and berated Angel as if that was her mother, as if that was her child or whatever, and Jaselle was the mama was crazy. The way Wendy was talking was crazy. The way Stacey was talking was crazy. The way Ashley was talking was crazy. And ain't no way in hell Angel should have sat there explaining herself over and over again. I'd have left them all in their shitty draws where they stood. If they were speaking to me like that, your big grown ass. All of y'all are mothers, you know what I'm saying, or whatever the fuck, get your ass up and get somewhere else. People don't stay in shitty accommodations when they have options, not for no full n You get there, you see it's fucked up, and you figure out a plan be immediately right there in the moment. So all that staying and then waiting on a phone call or waiting on an uber to come whatever the fuck Wendy was talking about on that airplane, that's on y'all, because I would have been on my one ya from boys to men.

00:36:08
Speaker 6: Let's not wait till the water rents drive.

00:36:10
Speaker 3: Okay, as soon as I seen the ship wasn't working, it would have been time to roll. You know what I'm saying, Just like anybody else. I can't even wash my ass up in here, and it's hot, So think about that. Your ass ain't right and it's hot. That's not gonna work. So do you think she's.

00:36:28
Speaker 5: Kind of trained them on how to be able to because if you never.

00:36:33
Speaker 10: Absolutely I think talking to her like that, If you don't speak up for yourself and check a motherfucker from talking to you crazy, especially in a group of other people, the rest of the people around are gonna punk you too.

00:36:48
Speaker 6: And that's just that. That's back playground.

00:36:50
Speaker 3: Rest of ship, Monique was talking about the breakfast club. Ta get back to the playground. That's playground ship. You know what I'm saying. Ashley, who can't check nobody, Wendy who ain't in a position to check nobody, Stacey, who can't even check herself, you know what I'm saying. They all are just talking to Angel like she is literally a person that don't deserve no respect. And as much as she has not been my favorite person on this show, as much as I would rather see what you call it, Claudia the Mountain, the Mercurial Mountain show, as much as I would watch that show about her outfitter, she still don't deserve nobody talking to her like that.

00:37:29
Speaker 6: But that's also her responsibility to check that. If you like it, I love it.

00:37:34
Speaker 3: She's explaining and apologizing over and over again and crying, and shit, I'd be damn if they ever seen a tear rolling down my face the way I would have tore their asses up from left to right, just after she had already fucking tried her best to find some solution. And y'all gonna get on here yelling and cussing me. I don't telling me shit on your finger, on my face. I would have them the fuck they would have had to land that play.

00:38:01
Speaker 5: I guess it's like I'm not as empathetic about that scene because they spent thirteen weeks of her letting it fly and then say, well, I want the ladies to get to know me and be mindful, and this is not why I put out there. So they're trained like it's almost like someone with the guy that she's on them all the time, right, someone that she's on them all the time, and you let it fly, let it fly, let it fly, let her fly. Of course they'll keep on doing it and be unapologetic about it. She's conditions women to talk crazy her again. I'm with you justin I checked disrespect the very fucking first time. So people say that common hot Yep, yes I do. But guess what, you won't try me again without a memorable read. You will not try me.

00:38:41
Speaker 7: But they begged her. Guys, they bet one thing I came.

00:38:44
Speaker 8: If I'm about to say something nice about Jaseelle, the one thing I would say about that. Giselle and Wendy and even Ashley all got right in that scene, even though I thought they were all being nasty mean again.

00:38:54
Speaker 7: I think they're all being mean girls in different ways.

00:38:56
Speaker 8: Some mean girls cry after doing something that didn't work, and so mean girls are attacking.

00:39:01
Speaker 7: It's all mean girls.

00:39:02
Speaker 8: So I'm not gonna pretend that Angel is an innocent person just because other girls are disrespectful.

00:39:05
Speaker 7: They can all happen at the same time.

00:39:07
Speaker 8: But Wendy looked at her and said, we preferred it if you just admitted that you don't fuck with us.

00:39:13
Speaker 7: If you had just owned it, we would have respected you more.

00:39:16
Speaker 8: Had you just said, I like them, so they're in my house, I don't like so you in the good or ninety minutes away with the coyotes pissing in the pot. Had you said that, we could have had fun with that, because we've all done that to each other.

00:39:27
Speaker 7: We can't respect you because you keep lying.

00:39:29
Speaker 8: And they started to beg her Angel, if you just tell the truth, we can at least try to respect you, and.

00:39:34
Speaker 7: She still kept lying.

00:39:37
Speaker 8: At some point, even somebody who is a good person is going to snap when you're looking in my face and you're lying to me, when you're doing the thing that we've all done, so we can clock it. And that's frustrating for everybody inclusion justsell Brian's not perfect. But I would have been just as frustrated with are in that moment. But I'm telling my truth, baby.

00:39:53
Speaker 7: This takes showing that you're lying your yes, that's yeah, that's all I want.

00:40:00
Speaker 8: I think the thing about Angel is they want her to buck up so they can have fun with her, and she keeps crumbling.

00:40:05
Speaker 7: And it makes it very ere. They're exhausted and frustrated.

00:40:08
Speaker 8: They're mean, But I understand the frustration actually in that scene because she can't tell.

00:40:11
Speaker 1: You what it is. I'm gonna tell you what it is.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: And this is coming from reality producer. When you are a newbie and Claudia U Timber, I got this wrong.

00:40:18
Speaker 6: Child.

00:40:19
Speaker 1: You are a newbie coming onto an established show.

00:40:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of like a rookie going on a championship sports team. Nobody can join Lebron James Lakers without you earning the respect of the of the captain of the team, of the other starting five players.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: There there's a there's a way you have to earn it. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong.

00:40:47
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you how it is because we're not gonna act like it's just the reality girls being mean. This ship happens in sports, it happens on set and scripted shows. I did in Hollywood Divas. I know a thing or two about it. Hi, Golden Brooks.

00:41:03
Speaker 1: High Comfort Ball. Anyway, My thing.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: Is this, It's one of those things where those girls like you guys are saying they want Angel.

00:41:12
Speaker 1: To show them, like, okay, shows what you got. I do agree with you.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: I think they were testing her and she failed miserably because she says one thing behind the scenes and she says another and I'm sorry. The moment she was not honest about renting an Airbnb to be on the show, the girls loss respect for her because they realized, you don't even kind of like, you're not.

00:41:43
Speaker 1: Even here right.

00:41:44
Speaker 2: The reason why we saw Stacey stop getting Haye is because Stafty flipped.

00:41:50
Speaker 1: It on them.

00:41:51
Speaker 2: And that's why now be like, well shit, she checked us and she got us, and there's nothing else to go here. When I said that, they love Stacy knockause they're like, she earned it.

00:42:02
Speaker 1: Same thing with Wendy, same thing with the other girls.

00:42:05
Speaker 2: The thing is this, when you are a new girl hopping on to reality show. And I'm gonna say this, and it's not gonna sound nice because y'all don't like the truth. Giselle Bryant runs Potomac and it is what it is.

00:42:19
Speaker 1: It is.

00:42:19
Speaker 2: That show is not run by Karen, that show is not run by nobody but Gazill.

00:42:25
Speaker 1: Karen is a wonderful co captain. Don't get me wrong. The Real Housewives of Potomac is ran by Jazelle Bryant.

00:42:32
Speaker 2: Okay, and the evidence that display this episode was how I have never seen Giselle Yale at a girl hate Tar Banks so.

00:42:46
Speaker 1: Much that.

00:42:50
Speaker 2: None of the girls said, Gazelle, you doing the most. I remember doing season six of Atlanta Housewives and the girls were at mean ease.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: Not her house, but what you call that when you are in a what you call that house? I was thinking Claudia Ninie's clubhouse going to Savannah.

00:43:12
Speaker 2: Okay, Alana, Atlanta Housewives always belonged.

00:43:17
Speaker 1: To Meani and it's no shade, so leave me alone. Now.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: With that being said, when Mieni felt the girls were being disrespectful of being late, she left, We called her back, she came back.

00:43:30
Speaker 1: She got on the bus kinga defended Nini and said, y'all there, meaning Rocks, she's the host.

00:43:38
Speaker 2: Nini said nothing, Candy Birds and her red hair, sit your hair, because listen, it.

00:43:47
Speaker 1: Was Minie's trip. Kinga was defending the host. Candy felt like, who the fuck you're talking to, bitch.

00:43:55
Speaker 2: Much Yes, So I'm saying all of that to say, I was disappointed in the other ladies for not being like Giselle.

00:44:05
Speaker 1: Okay, now look, let's all figure something out.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: But for each of those ladies to hop on the gravy train that is specialized with tumoric sauce and chili powder by Giselle Bryant. I was disappointed that nobody said even and listen, KK, you know I love you down BOOTSYK tried but your life everything. You could have done a better job KK defending Angel.

00:44:40
Speaker 1: I was disappointed in ukkn I love you down, Boots and Tia.

00:44:43
Speaker 2: You failed miserably. None of you girls had Angels back and that was the sad part to me. And and I'm end with this. Let Gazelle do her job, and all of y'all need to understand your role, just like athletes understand the roles on the team. Not everybody can be lebron. Not everybody can be supon Curry. Not everybody can be nub on the call sheet like Angela Bassett, play your position. So for all of y'all to act like Gazelle.

00:45:12
Speaker 3: Bryant'sions, Yeah, the way I would have been calling all of the asses musty vagabonds and shit. I would have been going in on a dirty floor rolling asses had I been the person that was on the other end of that, Because how dare you to me? We're talking about the most basic level of respect being you know, cross the most basic line of respect being crossed. I just now, y'all know, angel ain't my favorite person on this cast, but seeing the way that they were speaking, literally speaking to her, I didn't give a fuckable. I felt like they had a reason to be mad. I felt like they had something that was needed to be said, But it was the way that they was talking to her, which was just like mind blowing for me. I don't know how, I don't know why she was allowing that.

00:46:02
Speaker 5: That's all she's allowing it because she is not being herself on the show. It gives me, Oh, I bet you, in real life, she probably woudn't let that fly but it's because oh she's either starstruck, she's a deer in headlights. She reminds me of the actress that goes an actress that goes on a reality show and thinks they can do this, but then they're in their head too much about Wait. But I don't want this to seem like I don't want to see them like no, no, not not any her specifically. I'm just saying like, when actresses do reality shows, a lot of times they are just too much in their head and they're producing themselves. And I think she cares too much about what her overall storyline character all that, because in real.

00:46:41
Speaker 4: Life, a no black woman gonna let no one.

00:46:43
Speaker 5: Pop off like that without going on the fuck up. You worry too much about what the fans are saying the chat. You worry too much about how it's gonna look instead of being present.

00:46:51
Speaker 4: She's not present. That's why she's so depressed.

00:46:54
Speaker 5: She's why she's crying, That's why she's like up down, that's why she's not.

00:46:57
Speaker 4: Saying the thing in real time.

00:46:58
Speaker 5: But then later confessional, she's a confessional gangster because that's what she's being herselph more and she's not doing it. She freezes up when the cameras when she's in scene with the girls, And I think that's what's frustrating about it, because no sister is gonna let that go down. Yes, and I would have been as mad as Gazelle. I'm gonna, yeah, you got me fucked up in a whole time in a house, flush the toilet.

00:47:21
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna be just as rude as Giselle was. But the difference with me and.

00:47:24
Speaker 5: With the difference is you have let these girls check you, dish, you be disrespectful to your face.

00:47:31
Speaker 4: Laugh, cackle, and you did nothing. You did nothing. So now I'm not surprised when they keep doing it.

00:47:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't right, It wasn't right, But you, like I said earlier, she's contributing to how they're treating her by not checking them the very first time someone gets out of pocket. You never get a second chance to make a first impression right your first time on the show.

00:47:49
Speaker 4: You gotta let it be known right away. I'm not the bitch to play with.

00:47:56
Speaker 3: What a missed opportunity, right, I personally have always wanted to cut somebody out on the airplane, let alone a private jet and.

00:48:03
Speaker 6: So you see everybody else jumped on it.

00:48:06
Speaker 3: Giselle enjoyed her moment of cutting somebody the funk out on PJ. Weindy got a little piece. Stacey was over there, Caddy Corner, she got a little piece too. Everybody did. Angel could have held the back of that seat and tore them up. And I don't know why she didn't do that, man, And you, why didn't you do it?

00:48:23
Speaker 6: Angel? How you doing? Angel? Why didn't you do it?

00:48:26
Speaker 2: Why didn't you cut someone on a plane like that?

00:48:30
Speaker 6: Nothing like the Little Women Show? But why you ain't doing that?

00:48:42
Speaker 2: Man?

00:48:43
Speaker 6: Angel style? You gotta stand up for yourself, Mama.

00:48:45
Speaker 3: You can't keep letting them fuck with you like that. The reunion has already taped, right, Carlos, They already.

00:48:52
Speaker 5: Taped the reunion, Gangster afterwards, it doesn't feel authentic because every single time you had the layup to dunk the ball, you never do You never spiked the ball, you never do it. So that's why I think it's irritating a lot of the viewers with her, and like, I actually think the last few episodes are at Our Place has been some of the most entertaining ones of the season. Although I said in the beginning, they made these the port Timba girls work hard because every scene it's like someone's ten shots at you. You gotta like keep your head and a swivel, like damn, she's thissing me, she's this me, She's just me.

00:49:25
Speaker 6: I did that. Yes, I get that.

00:49:29
Speaker 5: It's really hard to be on that show, but like she's definitely like and then you it feels fake when you go to your confessional and then you want to, well, what I should you talk shit later?

00:49:37
Speaker 4: Like no, it's not believable.

00:49:40
Speaker 1: Even when Justzelle told KK you've been up her ass.

00:49:44
Speaker 2: I expect the KK to give Giselle what she gave safety, but she gave Wendy even And that's the reason why listen that seems hard to watch, because yes, I really did feel bad for Angel and I didn't felt like she deserve The thing is this, It is not acceptable in any situation for everybody to pile onto one person.

00:50:09
Speaker 1: And that's why there should have been one person be.

00:50:12
Speaker 2: Like guys got it, like okay, we got it, like she got she got the message longing clear right, And yes, I'm pretty sure your your pants are sticking to the ground because it's not completely white.

00:50:25
Speaker 1: I understand it, and you're uncomfortable. I get it.

00:50:29
Speaker 2: I get it, and your women and your women. But what I will also say is one more stories that I'll move on. I remember on the show I did, we had a connecting flight and we were I always fly with the cast because somebody got to be in charge of the girls. So I was flying with the cast, and we had a connecting flight somewhere, and the connecting flight did not have any first class seats. And on this particulars show, Honey, the girls have first class in their contracts and fight sarch accommodations. Needless to say, it was a connecting flight to the main destination. It was a thirty minute flight, maybe twenty, but I'll say third, oh, okay, okay, we all have to sit and coach. It's a thirty minute connecting flight to a nice place.

00:51:26
Speaker 8: I don't do coach, so I can't get out bad because they felt like we are so and so on this big show.

00:51:36
Speaker 1: It's in my contract.

00:51:37
Speaker 2: They called their agents because they flew twenty minutes on a flight that had no first class seats. We have to take the l and keep it pushing. So my point is to say all of that. I am shocked that those girls even stay there because the girls I work with a baby baby.

00:52:01
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you really can't complain and moan about the accommodations when Giselle you literally had motherfuckers sitting in your driveway swatting flies and mosquitoes in a tent, you know what I'm saying.

00:52:15
Speaker 6: So like, there's that as well, Robbing them. What was that? What was that event Robbing and them had.

00:52:21
Speaker 3: When she was on there, They had like a field, it was.

00:52:25
Speaker 6: It was a.

00:52:26
Speaker 3: Field that that event, for sure. But there was another one too, Carlos that I think Robbing threw. It was the event when Ashley was walking in with her kids and Giselle spoke to her oldest little boy and she's like.

00:52:38
Speaker 6: Hi, Dean, and he was like.

00:52:41
Speaker 3: Walking in that park, remember that one with them plastic tablecloths flowing flying in the.

00:52:47
Speaker 1: Wind and still day And it was the event that windy.

00:52:50
Speaker 3: Wasn't hands and ship and just all that broke down ass ship that they had at that party. So there's been several times where we ain't exactly being in the best eggs here, you.

00:53:00
Speaker 6: Know what I'm saying.

00:53:01
Speaker 3: And I just thought that it was rich that they decided to just cust Angel to fuck out relentlessly, and they gonna get her ass again next week too, because I saw in the preview for the episode that's coming next week they cussing her ass out again as a group sitting at a table. So I don't know why she's I don't know why she's accepting that. I guess that's the only point I.

00:53:21
Speaker 8: Want to I have a production question because this is the part that actually bothered me.

00:53:25
Speaker 7: And despite the fact.

00:53:26
Speaker 8: That I'm gonna keep advocating that everybody's hands are dirty, we're just talking about whose hands are dirtier.

00:53:31
Speaker 7: It's definitely just elous.

00:53:32
Speaker 8: Because she was, you know, fishing the pot the scene that makes all that irrelevant to me, where I was like, okay, even with my feelings about Angel, somebody needs to pull her out. When Giselle pulled up I'm the captain and like kind of debowled her trip from her and said, we're going to the four season and having brunched, and we don't care about what chuen your it inderary because we're probably going home afterwards. Like there was something so violent about how she took and I ain't never seen nobody get took on a trip before.

00:53:59
Speaker 4: Thanks to the trip from Captain.

00:54:01
Speaker 8: It was the very Pirates of the Caribbean moment that scared the cr I was like, oh, she got a head butter, So where did the producer step be.

00:54:07
Speaker 7: In Carlos because for Angel safety at this point.

00:54:11
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. So listen disclaimer, all production ran differently. But what I will say is this. You know, as somebody who who went to the Bravo school of reality producing, you really do follow the reality and and and that's why I keeps saying.

00:54:28
Speaker 1: Look, I know Gazelle.

00:54:30
Speaker 2: For a lot of people may be the most unlikable woman on the show. And she, let's be clear, she gets it and she don't give a ship right, she doesn't care what anyone thinks about her as long as she gets asked back and the check's clear. That's why I said, when it comes to Giselle, everything Gazille has done doesn't surprise me.

00:54:52
Speaker 1: That's who she is.

00:54:53
Speaker 2: Right to your point, Blue producers are like, that's very Gazelle.

00:54:58
Speaker 1: Gazelle is going to you as much as you let her do it.

00:55:03
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why Angel unfortunately wasn't able to defend herself because she doesn't have.

00:55:14
Speaker 1: It in her to do so.

00:55:16
Speaker 2: And that's why when you look at her husband, he's not fucking with them because rightfully, so that's his wife and I'm not going to fuck with somebody.

00:55:26
Speaker 1: My wife that's giving my wife the business.

00:55:29
Speaker 2: Yes, but to you answer your question, production, listen, I can guess what happened. Gazelle led the charge and told the girls, I'll speak to production on behalf of us because it's whatever.

00:55:45
Speaker 7: The Gazelle show, Yeah, and then plug the four seasons by eight times.

00:55:53
Speaker 6: Night.

00:55:53
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's say that. Okay, So Gazelle knight with the production and said, y'all.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: Expect us to stay here.

00:56:02
Speaker 4: Dad.

00:56:03
Speaker 2: They figured it out a way, because you gotta clear the fourth seasons.

00:56:09
Speaker 8: Ye.

00:56:09
Speaker 1: Well, I believe the zell WA's.

00:56:11
Speaker 2: Production and complained about the accommodations and they gave her the fourth seasons, and Gizelle felt empowered and she was able to do it.

00:56:21
Speaker 1: Look, in most cases, as a.

00:56:24
Speaker 2: Producer, you know, you follow it and it works, but it's up to the person who's hosting trip in this case, Angel to step in. And although Angel tried to step in, and say, well, doesn't do some boy's better?

00:56:38
Speaker 1: You know, don't do it?

00:56:39
Speaker 4: One?

00:56:40
Speaker 8: Come one, you and Maya Angelou, come on, tap into your inner angel, Maya Angelou.

00:56:50
Speaker 11: I'm not going to pretend that I'm speaking as an angel talks like this and that I'm.

00:57:00
Speaker 6: Not gonna do that.

00:57:01
Speaker 3: I no, but listen, a good idea is a good idea, and in this case, Gazelle had a good idea. I'm so sorry. I love the outdoors and I love nature. God knows I do. You know what I'm saying, But you can only look at so many trees, so much landscape. We could be at brunch at the fucking Four Seasons, you know what I'm saying. I would have been ready to roll with Gazelle and the personally. I'm sorry, but that was just a good idea. And I think sometimes a strong idea just kind of gets in position, it just takes the lead. And that's just what that was. They said it's stunk in Chemo Sabi and Ship. I would love to go to the Chimo say, but they were saying it was stinking and Ship think about it, and you got the brunch at.

00:57:42
Speaker 6: The Four Seasons.

00:57:44
Speaker 5: Well, nobody is Angel's trend on the show, including Tia and including k because I'm getting cussed out like that in front of my girl, which was you ain't about you talk to my girl like that because the way they were keep king when they were in Angel's house was not matching the energy when you see your girl getting read the FuG down and getting dragged and they gangs to the trip and then I saw everybody toasting to Giselle, and right there, I was like that one is Angel's friend on the show, even the friend she thinks she has. Tiya, we really started off liking you. You definitely kind of like kind of went with the wind, and now for some reason they're over here with Angel. But when you had a chance to really, you know, puff your chest up for her, where were you were you out to for Tea, Like what were you doing? It was very like listen, Angel has gotten on my nerves at the last few episodes because I don't like people who don't stand up for themselves and then they talk shit later.

00:58:46
Speaker 4: I don't like people like that in my life. I never rock with that.

00:58:49
Speaker 5: It's very frustrating because you have the vocabulary to do it, because you do it in the confessionals when it's just you and your producer, So do it when it counts because it's hard to defend you. But you would have at least two people that you welcome to your house that should have been more than happy, who were more experienced with cussing the bitch out. They should have at least said something. They didn't say anything. Those are not your friend. You have no friends on that show.

00:59:11
Speaker 7: I would have defended Angel.

00:59:12
Speaker 8: I me Blue Tolusma as a stranger at that trip, would have defended Angel more than those girls.

00:59:18
Speaker 7: Not being her friend.

00:59:19
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I definitely would have been in my phone like that's crazy y'all talking to her like that's all crazy did something that all I know is that's fucked up. How I wouldn't love y'all crazy talking to her like that did something like?

00:59:41
Speaker 7: I would have defended her because I honestly I bully bullies.

00:59:43
Speaker 8: That's always been my things sentime school, I probab shouldn't say on camera, sorry, but ever since high school, if I see somebody getting bullied, my first start is to attack the bully. That's always been who I am. But also I'm an arias tourist. I'm almost like you in Claudia. I will say this, though, you can't ask people to respect when you are struggling to show how you respect yourself.

01:00:02
Speaker 7: And I do think I'm getting.

01:00:03
Speaker 8: This niggling feeling, little niggling feeling that a part of them was hoping that they could pressure her into standing up, and when she crumpled even further, they snapped. They were like, oh, so there's no hope here, get me, get me out of here. They're like her, she stands like to pressure her and she just crumbled even further, and I respect plummeted.

01:00:24
Speaker 7: And that's not to throw them bailed, but we've all been there.

01:00:27
Speaker 8: There's men that I have dated that were sweet, but there were people pleasers and I saw them acting like punks with their family, and I said some stuff that I probably shouldn't have.

01:00:36
Speaker 1: God's still working on me, but in.

01:00:37
Speaker 8: That moment, I had no respect for them, and the things just came out. You know what I mean, Well, you don't respect yourself, it's kind of hard for me to remember that you are.

01:00:46
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially on that show where like they came out the gate, like those girls work for their checks every week. They like they every week, everyone has to like show up. So to see someone on the cast that's kind of like dragging it it, not stepping in when they should. I would be frustrated as someone that, look, I'm going every week, where's she at?

01:01:07
Speaker 4: Huh?

01:01:07
Speaker 6: You gas? You know, dragging it dragon?

01:01:13
Speaker 5: And I will also say that, have you guys ever and this is a personal question, okay, and I know it's girls. Have you ever gone without a shower for a couple of days or.

01:01:24
Speaker 1: A cupful of days?

01:01:26
Speaker 5: I'm asking, I'm asking one day a day. Well, even if you're staying in accommodations that have bad toilet paper, your.

01:01:33
Speaker 4: Butthole's gonna be itchy.

01:01:35
Speaker 7: Oh your booty home.

01:01:36
Speaker 5: So I'm sure they were all and they are women. They got a booty hole, and they got a china. They probably were so uncomfortable and irritanting. And you're already a celeb. The the booty ass combo, the booty coochy combo plus combo. Is that a candle you're feeling bad? You're like, am I gon get back to your not this like I'm not being And I'm already a celebrity and already used to like two thousand count threadsheets and I'm over here. I'm definitely gonna be nastier than usual. So I understand the frustration in that moment where she was like, look, this is some bullshit. I already don't like you. You don't respect yourself, so I can easy walk a lover you in you got me where I can't wash my ass properly. Oh no, get I get the bitchiness. It looks a lot because they all jumped on her, But I do want to stand that part to you.

01:02:19
Speaker 4: I'm trying to you know, I understand both sides.

01:02:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, whose side are you guys on?

01:02:25
Speaker 2: When Jazzy admit it that she did tell Angel what Monique said about her when it came to Monique seeing the comparisons between her and Angel as it relates to Angel being married to a former NFL player, and.

01:02:48
Speaker 6: There's the marit.

01:02:49
Speaker 2: Monique obviously a strange husband a former NFL player, and Jazzys saying, look, I was very concerned about it, and that's why I told her. So Dustin, do you think Jazzy was concerned about the things that Monique was saying about Angel or do you think Jazzy was just being a gossiper that was going back and forth telling each other what was being said about one another.

01:03:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was talking shit, gossip and girl, you know they said you ain't going through with your husband. Apparently, girl, it was one of them conversations. And shout out to Jazzy for moving the story along. She did exactly what she was supposed to do as a friend of the show, have a conversation like that that build relationships with the people in the cast. I didn't see nothing wrong with it, and I actually loved Jazzy on this show, so I didn't see anything wrong with what she did. And to me, it ain't even no issue because when Monique asked her about it, she was like, yeah, that's but that's it, Like there's nothing, there is no issue like that, your question is answered. They just they was able to move on to me, you know what I'm saying. So I ain't think nothing was wrong with that. Do it again.

01:03:57
Speaker 2: Claudia Roerr thoughts on that shout out to the fifty seven hundred people.

01:04:01
Speaker 5: Hey, go ahead, respect to Jazzy for saying it. Widow Chest keeping the energy the same and not corring. No, I didn't say that, and I'm sorry if you're my friend and bitches like lit me.

01:04:16
Speaker 4: I said that if you're my friend and girls are being.

01:04:19
Speaker 1: Trying to get this.

01:04:23
Speaker 4: So what happened was this weekend I almost done fights twice this weekend. I had a very had a very ghetto weekend this weekend.

01:04:29
Speaker 5: Where two times I was very in my mouth like I was like I was on I was on some and did what like girls was like.

01:04:36
Speaker 4: Driving me this weekend.

01:04:37
Speaker 1: Will were you filming?

01:04:39
Speaker 6: No?

01:04:40
Speaker 4: I wasn't filming. This was just in my real life. So I'm trying to like in my real life.

01:04:45
Speaker 5: I went out to two events after the Jane Kennedy books line and we went to a spot and it was this girl I didn't want to get from the table.

01:04:50
Speaker 4: She was just like, I ain't from from Atlanta. I said, I could fuck were you from? And what's that supposed to mean? What does that mean? And then I was like, so I'm trying to get back in my.

01:04:58
Speaker 12: End real brown design.

01:05:11
Speaker 6: Yes we love get it. Yes, I had a cuss.

01:05:17
Speaker 5: The bitch out one time that was similar in a situation like this where I had looked out for this hapa.

01:05:21
Speaker 4: I'm not friends with her anymore.

01:05:23
Speaker 5: I used to put her in a lot, like whatever stuff I can hook her up with, I would. And there was a conversation about me that I had to hear what was happening through a third person that wasn't even my girl, So that's worse.

01:05:35
Speaker 4: So No, what.

01:05:36
Speaker 5: Jazzi did to me was right, like, yes, she ain't really thinking about the show in that moment. Well maybe she was, but you're supposed to come back and tell me, give me some kind of heads up, egg girl.

01:05:45
Speaker 4: They were talking about you a little bit.

01:05:47
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna tell you everything, but I'm gonna give you a heads up so you're not blindsided. Your homegirl's supposed to do that for you. Your girl's supposed to give you the heads up. So I wasn't mad at it. I'm sure Monique didn't like it, but at that point, if that's my friend, I'm not worried about many worry about my friend.

01:06:01
Speaker 3: Just like you told me that somebody was talking about me and your DMS.

01:06:05
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, you was like such and such, A saying such and such and we laugh. Think Kevin moving, that's what friends do.

01:06:13
Speaker 4: I gotta give you be out there blindsided, never.

01:06:17
Speaker 6: What your ass said, because I know you're watching this ship too. Thank you very much.

01:06:23
Speaker 2: She was in.

01:06:23
Speaker 7: Violence All twenty twenty six.

01:06:25
Speaker 4: I love you, Human Time. I ordered a hat from this influence this girl online. It says villain error. I can't wait to wear it. It's happening.

01:06:35
Speaker 1: You gots blue blue.

01:06:37
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the whole thing with Jazzy, Monique and Angel Do you think okay and this this is real?

01:06:44
Speaker 1: Right?

01:06:45
Speaker 2: One thing I will say, and it's gonna be unpopular, and that's okay.

01:06:50
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred.

01:06:51
Speaker 2: Percent so that Monique was only projecting, right. I believe there could be some projection. But in Monique's defense, I will say this. I do think when it comes to the wag world, that is a very intimate world where it's not like reality stars.

01:07:17
Speaker 1: It's so easy to tell reality girls when you're watching them. I would have done this until you're in it.

01:07:23
Speaker 2: And when it comes to housewives, let's just talk about them for now. Housewives is like a sorority where we all get what we are going through and only us get it. I do think when it comes to wives and girlfriends of athletes, I do think. Look, I think a Monique's defense, I wouldn't say it was one hundred percent projection. I do believe Monique may have seen similarities based on that, and I'm gonna go and say this.

01:07:50
Speaker 8: I.

01:07:52
Speaker 2: See something with Bobby and Angel that although what I see I'm not concerned about. Let me start by saying that I think Bob's a great high But I've said this before. I think Bobby is doing all of this for Angel because Angel has sacrificed so much for him.

01:08:12
Speaker 1: And I think Monique, I think what Monique is seeing.

01:08:16
Speaker 2: If I had to like see things through her eyes as a wag, I think Monique is seeing that this woman everything is on her. She's not even allowed. Hey, Porsche season five, you know what I'm saying. A former wag, That's what I'm saying. Gotta listen, y'all.

01:08:38
Speaker 1: Y'all really gotta understand the wag world.

01:08:41
Speaker 2: When Porscha talked about Cordill and she said, my husband let me go to Vegas, miyall, that is her reality married to a NFL player.

01:08:52
Speaker 1: I think what Monique is seeing Angel.

01:08:55
Speaker 2: I think Monique sees that Angel is doing so much that Angel, well, Angel wants.

01:09:02
Speaker 1: To hang out with them.

01:09:04
Speaker 2: On twelve twelve thirty, but she can't because her husband is not going to agree with that. And I think Angel is aware that my husband is sacrificing now for me, and I appreciate it, but I can't take advantage of it.

01:09:26
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Monique is seeing to me. But Blue, do you.

01:09:31
Speaker 2: See that or do you think Monique is one hundred percent projected?

01:09:35
Speaker 8: I think that just because you disagree with someone, I mean they're inaccurate, and often it's in hindsight that you realize that they were accurate when you have more distance from it. And so I think everybody, this is the one time again I'm trying to be fair where I think they're both telling the truth as far as they know it, right. I think Monique being further from it and being on the other side of it and being deincentivized from going blind to it is saying things like, it's easy to lose yourself as a wag and a mother.

01:10:00
Speaker 7: It's easy to become colldependent. It's easy to consent to things.

01:10:04
Speaker 8: That are not healthy for you and you don't notice it're not healthy until way later in the game when you've lost yourself entirely.

01:10:09
Speaker 7: Right, I just.

01:10:10
Speaker 8: Think that her saying it in front of goons instead of Shug Night and the rest of them.

01:10:15
Speaker 7: Right, you can't do that in front death or records. Maybe take Angel to the side.

01:10:20
Speaker 8: The way that Jazzy did and say, hey, friend, I'm gonna tell you off camera because I'm concerned, but I don't want to embarrass you, because I recognize that we're on one of the top shows in the globe featuring women who look like us, and the ripple effect of me saying it in public might have ramifications that you're not ready for. But I'm concerned because I see me in you, and the same way Bobby and my husband were mentoring each other, let me be that for you that would have been. So it's the right message with the wrong avenue. And also, to Jazzy's point, I'm sorry, but if you're talking crazy about my friend perfect example, if somebody was talking crazy about any of the three of you, right, first of all, they're gonna get uncomfortable man sentence, I'm gonna score up a little bit.

01:10:57
Speaker 1: So ooh, let's fix the tone. Friend.

01:10:59
Speaker 8: If you have a problem with one of the that's cute. I'm one of those I goooned up mid conversations. Let's keep it cute, because I'm sitting right to fuck you. Yes, excuse my French. Second thing is, though, I'm gonna tell my friend because because when it was like well, I was gonna tell her, yes, but how I already know you're discernment about how it's already off.

01:11:16
Speaker 6: Well, there's a reason for that.

01:11:17
Speaker 7: I was already off. I want to tell her the full ty about how you said it, how it was received, the looks of people's faces. You're not going to say all of that. I'm going to tell her the rest, and.

01:11:27
Speaker 8: By the time she talks to you, she's prepared to know what she's walking into. So I'm one hundred percent on Jazzey say as far as telling her friend. And I also think that Monique it was fifty percent projection because she was probably a little triggered, because when you peak yourself in somebody else, there is a triggering that's happening. And also though I think in the moment she was just so happy to be in the fray that she forgot that you doing it in this way is doing something to Angel.

01:11:49
Speaker 7: That is the opposite of what you claim you want to be happening.

01:11:54
Speaker 3: I think she also forgot right. And what we haven't mentioned yet is that Monique don't know Angel. She don't know Angel like that. So her even having insult any sort of anything to say about Angel's marriage and comparing it to hers, that's a very deeply personal.

01:12:11
Speaker 6: Thing for you to be prying to having an opinion on.

01:12:14
Speaker 3: And even though obviously their castmates on this show and they have to interact with one another, it still felt obtuse to the viewers, like, you don't even know her like that to be making That's why we're questioning whether or not she was projecting or not, because she simply shouldn't have asked her that she shouldn't have said shit about what was going on between Angel and her husband off of the limited interactions that she's seen or whatever, and been able to concoct that feeling. That's why people thought it was bullshit because it was out of place. Monique don't know Angel like that. Even if we're playing the game of them being cast members on the show, it still didn't make sense because Monique came into the season so late, we've never seen her.

01:12:52
Speaker 6: And Angel sit down have a one on one.

01:12:54
Speaker 3: No shit like that so for her opining you know what I'm saying about her personal business like that, like girl, what.

01:13:06
Speaker 2: We we gotta we gotta, we gotta talk about the moment She said it though, And that's why I believe she wasn't projecting in this moment when Angel, when all the girls was an Angel backyard after the three guys, and I say hi to them, Yes, and.

01:13:31
Speaker 7: I'm Angel on that. I'm team Angel in that moment. I'm team Angel.

01:13:35
Speaker 2: What the thing is this, I'll say this when Monique saw Angel not being able to commit to hanging out with them past midnight because she had to check in with her husband. Now, granted, I agree with Blue maybe that could have been an opportunity for one on one, and I agree with Dustin so that they could get.

01:14:01
Speaker 1: To know each other deeper.

01:14:03
Speaker 2: But I think what Monique saw was I see another woman who is unable to enjoy herself because she has to consider her husband babysitting his own children.

01:14:20
Speaker 7: Who's friends with my husband? Who's this is the part.

01:14:22
Speaker 8: I think the reason why she's over familiar Dustin is because husband's like, you're you know, pillow talk. If your husband is talking to my husband to the point where he's a mentor to him, y'all have come up. I might not know you, I'm just meeting you, but you'll have come up people that.

01:14:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

01:14:41
Speaker 8: You have a friend who knows them, and even though they've never met you, you feel like when you meet them, you already know them, Like, oh my god.

01:14:46
Speaker 7: I've heard so much about you for so long, I finally meet you.

01:14:49
Speaker 8: She even said when she saw Bob and she was like, I feel like I know you because you and my husband, you know, we're so close. And so I think because my husband who did it to me is close to your husband.

01:14:58
Speaker 7: So and that was a mentor. He was teaching him how to go through life.

01:15:02
Speaker 8: And I think he has bad advice. I think he's an ancient type of dude. So if my ancient dude is mentoring your husband, and I'm starting to see things that I recognize, I'm getting a flicker of oh God, I hope this isn't Brisbane feather.

01:15:16
Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense, and I see exactly what you're saying. I just don't feel like Angel is in no situation where she wanted to go with them and Bobby told her no, or she wanted to go with them that night, and Bobby told her no.

01:15:29
Speaker 6: In the literal next scene, we see her.

01:15:31
Speaker 3: Talking about about it. He like, I mean, if that's what you want to do, you want to go, and she was like, no, I don't want to go, and he was like, okay, we don't go.

01:15:39
Speaker 6: She didn't. She didn't say.

01:15:40
Speaker 3: Well, when a person really wants to go but they don't want to disappoint their partner, they answered like this, well, I mean I don't have to go, but you know I could just go.

01:15:48
Speaker 1: I don't know.

01:15:49
Speaker 6: He answered like this, She said, nah, I don't want to go.

01:15:53
Speaker 2: No. She answered like that because she don't want her husband to think I want to go.

01:15:59
Speaker 4: She I agree with that.

01:16:03
Speaker 7: You don't know?

01:16:06
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I can tell you like this they want me to go. I mean I don't know, because.

01:16:14
Speaker 2: She she did not want him to think that she wanted to.

01:16:18
Speaker 1: Go, because she didn't want to have an argument with him. That's how I took it.

01:16:24
Speaker 4: And and she also sorry, but he doesn't want to do this show.

01:16:31
Speaker 5: In my opinion, he's doing this for his wife, so he she probably feels he's She's already pushed it a little bit. He didn't want to go to that event that he said we'll get there, and we'll get there. Then you got these hEFS at our house when you know, we we have pillow talk every night about how rude this was me and that one.

01:16:47
Speaker 4: She don't want. She didn't want to go with them anyways. He was the.

01:16:51
Speaker 5: Escapegoat, like, let me just check with Bobby. She's you know, she's pushed the almlup already. I got these heaves at the house after they done. Probably had so many conversations about how much she can't stand each.

01:17:01
Speaker 6: And every one of them.

01:17:02
Speaker 5: I feel like she felt like I do have to chuckle Bobby because he's already sick of the ship. He don't want me to do the show anymore. It's not helping me. It's probably hurting our business. And yeah, I don't you know when you use your mate or your kids or your pet. Oh, I gotta go feed my cats.

01:17:18
Speaker 4: Now I've been.

01:17:19
Speaker 5: Asked to play some I'm like my cat, I gotta get home my kids. If you want to go, she would have went just like she did the show. She didn't want to go anyways, and Bobby was a great thing. Yeah, but I do think I didn't think Monik was malicious either. Carlos I did not think she was, because she also was one of the few ones from the other side that was comforting to Angel.

01:17:38
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm.

01:17:44
Speaker 6: Ultimate. I don't know, but I just feel like.

01:17:50
Speaker 4: You don't know the people and we talk about that, you know, I mean like we don't.

01:17:52
Speaker 3: Want to them and engaging with them.

01:17:56
Speaker 6: Were talking about them.

01:17:58
Speaker 3: Everyone's relationship with we have to be talking about them.

01:18:03
Speaker 6: But I'm.

01:18:05
Speaker 4: Lives without having to know them. So good as what I'm saying, Like.

01:18:08
Speaker 2: I think if you asked a lot of so all the wives, Okay, if you are a married woman with kids and your husband is the breadwinner, please in the comments let us know your thoughts. If you are a married woman where your husband is the breadwinner and y'all have small children, Do y'all think Monique saw glimpses of herself in Angel when Angel could not agree to go past midnight without her husband knowing about it, or do y'all think that Monique was one hundred percent projecting and there's something wrong? And I'll end by saying this, I'm gonna tell you what made me think things differently. I saw Angel watch what Happens Live, and Angel looked stunning by the way.

01:18:56
Speaker 1: Gorgeous, looked like a star. Bobby was in the audience, and Bobby.

01:19:06
Speaker 2: Was like this the entire time his wife was on stage, and my rain drop said, he was watching a game. However, my thing is this your your wife being gonna watch what Happens Live is a big.

01:19:21
Speaker 1: Moment for her.

01:19:22
Speaker 2: And yes, you're there physically, but are you But are you present?

01:19:27
Speaker 1: And that was the moment for me.

01:19:29
Speaker 2: He he did not look like he wanted to be there, and it made me think about what Monique said, and I thought perhaps Monique could be onto something if y'all saw Bobby's behavior.

01:19:43
Speaker 1: I felt bad for Angel in that moment too.

01:19:48
Speaker 8: I would say this, we keep on saying she didn't want to go. As a person who's gonna throw myself under the bus here, I've been in a codependent relationship, and I think the question that needs to be asked is why she didn't want to go. When you are in a co dependent relationship, there are things that you don't want to do because of that relationship that you normally would want to do if you weren't.

01:20:06
Speaker 7: In that relationship.

01:20:07
Speaker 8: And it's almost like you're covering your partner because, to Carlos's point, the stuff that comes from you being independent is such a headache. It's easy to pretend that we don't want me to go, rather than he doesn't want.

01:20:16
Speaker 6: Me to go.

01:20:17
Speaker 8: So I think that for those of you who are healthy, this makes no sense. But I have pretended not to be excited about things that I normally would have been excited about because there was some man, some tall man, with a good something that I wanted to go home to, and I wasn't thinking clearly.

01:20:32
Speaker 7: So I think Andrew's being a woman right now who just had a baby.

01:20:35
Speaker 8: Just remember she just had a baby who has been covered by her husband, and she's been eating piped by piranhas and Bobby's her safe place.

01:20:42
Speaker 7: I wouldn't blame.

01:20:42
Speaker 4: Her for not wanting to go. It has not been a good time for her.

01:20:45
Speaker 5: Why would she I wouldn't want to be if I could choose between being in my bomb ass house with my attractive husband and my kids in the comfort of my own home.

01:20:54
Speaker 4: Or go to the ship house or wherever that was going to go and hang out with girls. I know y'all don't like me.

01:21:01
Speaker 5: I kind of have a friendship with two of them two and a half, because you really can't call tea is that's not really a real friendship. No, I wouldn't want to go either if I cannot find it out and say, oh, Bobby, my kid, I'm doing that. I did my job, I clocked in. I'm getting minimum money because it's my first season.

01:21:17
Speaker 7: I'm not doing all that.

01:21:18
Speaker 4: I'm not doing all that extra stuff. I'm not doing it.

01:21:20
Speaker 7: And if I can blame it.

01:21:21
Speaker 5: On my of course season one, she lucky if she got eighty thousand dollars. Okay, So I'm just saying I'm serious, maybe haunted. Okay, I don't know. Okay, let me correct that. I don't know how much you got paid, but it's not the salaries of the Giselle, the ones who've been there for a long time, so you're there, like, I'm sorry. If I'm emostly beat down from these ladies and I'm in my own city.

01:21:47
Speaker 4: I'm going home.

01:21:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't.

01:21:49
Speaker 4: Care if you think it's because of my husband checked me or whatever. Whatever. I gotta say. I'm staying in my house. I'm not. She don't want to go hang with those she doesn't like.

01:21:57
Speaker 2: Them.

01:21:57
Speaker 4: They don't like her. It's very obvious.

01:22:00
Speaker 2: So we got a lot of people in the comments is leaning more towards people saying they.

01:22:06
Speaker 1: Believe Monique was projecting. We have sixty two hundred people live with us. Tonight's out, okay, so let us know. All right, So as we sort of wrap things up, because.

01:22:21
Speaker 2: I do want to get to be in We.

01:22:25
Speaker 1: Kind of touched on this a bit, but.

01:22:29
Speaker 2: I want to get into Giselle hijacking the trip and in.

01:22:38
Speaker 1: That moment, do y'all think?

01:22:41
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna start with Dustin seeing Giselle, who is an OG. She's been on the show since season one. This is season ten, so for ten seasons. She pretty much said, I'm hijacking your trip. We're going to the fourth season. Ladies, y'all want to come with me?

01:22:57
Speaker 1: Let me know.

01:22:58
Speaker 2: Angel tried to say no, which was so sad, but Angels just funny to me.

01:23:06
Speaker 1: But she's like, no, there's a schedule.

01:23:13
Speaker 2: Your trip.

01:23:13
Speaker 1: You're about a scater girl. But but it's moments like that that I like age. I think that's who she is.

01:23:20
Speaker 2: But Dustin, is this the moment where you think if you allow Jazelle to take over your trip. You have officially lost the plot and there was no point of return with this.

01:23:35
Speaker 3: For me, I had that moment long four score or forty episodes ago. I had that arrived at daddy epiphany a long time ago. I do think that that part was grossly disrespectful. I think that Giselle did that shit because she felt like she could. I ain't never hated nothing more than I than a person who feels like like, Okay, I know you're gonna let me do this to you, so I'm gonna do it. I hate that that's that is. I don't like that. That's punk shit to me. So I didn't appreciate that scene. But you know, Angel, she just she wanted to talk about fly fishing and shit and and appreciate Angel has. She loves appreciating stuff, right Angel. She likes to take it in and have appreciated. And her whole trick seemed to be built.

01:24:25
Speaker 6: Around shit like that.

01:24:26
Speaker 3: And I think that those women who really just wanted to get drunk and talk shit and laugh, I think that they had had it with the low tones and the muted nature of everything and that this is this.

01:24:38
Speaker 6: I think they were sick of that shit.

01:24:40
Speaker 3: So for me, it wasn't that moment, but it was definitely a moment, and I see why people would say that that was where she lost control.

01:24:49
Speaker 1: Did you feel bad for her when she was crying?

01:24:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely felt bad for her With me I Dustin who had said that she had didn't have my favorite personality on this show, which I don't think is mean. Fuck y'all but whatever, you know what I'm saying. But I felt bad for her. I felt bad for her when she was crying. Y'all know, I don't like no ship like that. Making that girl cry that was not cool to me.

01:25:12
Speaker 6: I did not like that. I thought that was mean.

01:25:14
Speaker 3: And I also wanted, where's that girl from the internet that is in the car going stand up?

01:25:19
Speaker 6: Where's that girl at That's who we need, we need, that's who needs to mentor Angel, that girl that was.

01:25:25
Speaker 1: Saying stand upup, stand up?

01:25:28
Speaker 3: Yes, that's who she needs right there. I didn't like that ship at all.

01:25:33
Speaker 6: I'm blue.

01:25:34
Speaker 1: Did you think mad in that moment? Angel lost the plot? And did you put bad for her tears?

01:25:43
Speaker 7: Oom? You know the boy who cried wolf like at some point the tears are real?

01:25:50
Speaker 1: No?

01:25:51
Speaker 7: That got so many fake tears. I just which one is it? So one of the I know at some point they were real.

01:25:56
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to map out which ones are real and which ones are weaponizing comp tenth.

01:26:00
Speaker 6: Okay, I think these were real.

01:26:02
Speaker 8: Because I would have cried at that point just because I want I don't want to go to jail for beating up Gazelle. So I just feel like this is gonna be ironic. Gizelle has gotten so mean.

01:26:12
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to come to Angels defense.

01:26:14
Speaker 6: Now.

01:26:16
Speaker 1: I think we're there.

01:26:17
Speaker 8: I think we're at the point where Angel kind of co created this mess. But Gizelle is being so nasty in such an exaggerated way that no other human being deserves to be treated like that on camera or be off camera that I feel like, if this continues, I'm gonna have to come to Angels defense because now, Gizelle, you're being nasty in a way that supersedes the show.

01:26:37
Speaker 7: We could have had a fun time.

01:26:38
Speaker 8: I think, honestly, the most honest moment where I felt like I get it was Wendy saying, why can't you just own it so we have fun. I think the rest of the girls feel like, why can't you stand up so we can have fun. Giselle's out for blood, and I think that is something that if it's not checked, I'm gonna be curious to see how the reunion works out, because after all of this happened, guys, Angel still after the entire season was over, said she'd come back. So whatever it is, it clearly wasn't bad enough for her to sit down or stand up. Well, she's just kind of levitating at this point. I don't know what she's doing. She's laying down, maybe she's meditating.

01:27:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, your face.

01:27:21
Speaker 5: After this season, she shouldn't want to come back unless she likes abuse and likes like or it has something that is just I I really want to prove this. When when I interviewed her, it was like, I'm not going to get run off by these girls, And I think that's the wrong focus. You're a new mom, you're a wife, you have this fabulous life in Colorado. This should not be your priority, this mediocre paying job, because it's not again, it's not good the first year, y'all. For the girls that have the biggest and highest paid now got paid trash money calls.

01:27:53
Speaker 4: You know, I'm right.

01:27:53
Speaker 5: The first season like no one got good money the first year, So I'm saying, you're doing all this for what You're a round people that don't like you, and you don't.

01:28:02
Speaker 4: You seem unhappy.

01:28:04
Speaker 5: Dazelle, Yes, was very mean to her in this episode, but Gazelle's beuld mean this whole season.

01:28:09
Speaker 4: Think about not putting Stacy's.

01:28:11
Speaker 5: Name, I don't know, I don't know you like that, like leaving her off of the gift bags.

01:28:15
Speaker 4: And She's been doing with this all season, so I'm not shocked.

01:28:19
Speaker 5: I do think she had a little bit of justification because that the accommodations, But I do get the back and forth, like you know, it's cause and effect with them, okay, but like to say she wants to go back and like are you okay?

01:28:31
Speaker 7: Actually?

01:28:32
Speaker 4: Are you okay?

01:28:33
Speaker 5: Like what do you do you think this show, being a house shape of Potomac is going to validate you or somehow fix something that's missing in your life.

01:28:40
Speaker 4: Maybe, or you know, like I showed them, I won Why why do you care? If women treated me like this, whether.

01:28:47
Speaker 5: I contribute to it or not, I would not want to work with them. It'd be mentally exhausting. We've all probably worked on stuff I know I have worked on stuff where at the end of it, you're like, I never.

01:28:56
Speaker 4: Want to see those people again.

01:28:57
Speaker 5: That hurt my heart, right, And I think she should be in that place and she's not. She needs some help because why would you want to even be around like you're trying too hard to prove something that people don't like you.

01:29:11
Speaker 4: They don't like you, they despise you.

01:29:13
Speaker 5: Even the people that are Yeah, I mean that, I will say. And then also as a viewer, if you take the humanity and feeling for someone, it does make it a good episode.

01:29:25
Speaker 1: Right.

01:29:25
Speaker 5: It was entertaining, right, like we were talking about it, But personally it seems like someone getting jumped. Yeah, I feel like someone getting jumped and everyone's sitting around.

01:29:36
Speaker 4: Even your friends.

01:29:37
Speaker 5: Ain't jumping in and grabbing nobody's hair. They're just sitting there chilling.

01:29:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:29:43
Speaker 4: I don't think this is for her.

01:29:44
Speaker 5: It's it's it was fun to kekey about her before, but it's it's kind of not anymore.

01:29:49
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, this episode was sad to see how things unfortunately went for her. I'll I'll end by saying this to the Potomac ladies.

01:30:02
Speaker 1: Look, it's a great season. I have enjoyed.

01:30:05
Speaker 2: Everything tends across the board, right, Hey, quads, the great season, the great season. I will say this though, I do think every season, everybody, because this is what I do my own shows.

01:30:20
Speaker 1: That's producer.

01:30:21
Speaker 2: It's a moment of reflection, like, Okay, we'll work what didn't work, and as you venture off into your next season.

01:30:27
Speaker 1: What I would want for the girls.

01:30:31
Speaker 2: Of Potomac, whether or not Angel comes back, we'll see, But I what I would want is, let's let's stop this sort of.

01:30:40
Speaker 1: Like, let's get the new girl to see if she could earn her stripes. You know, it's not working anymore. And you guys should not be.

01:30:50
Speaker 2: Subjected to being called bullies if your intention is to make good television, right. And that's why when it comes to the other girls, I want you guys to get back to just coming in and being yourself.

01:31:06
Speaker 1: It was hard for me to watch, you know, everybody callow on her.

01:31:11
Speaker 2: Because I just don't think in any of the circumstance everybody would have done that. And and I want them to get back to like real personal story and and really getting to know each other. You know, the reason why we all love Potomac is what Claudia said, you girls clock in.

01:31:30
Speaker 1: And one thing about the Potomac girls, they are they have an amazing work ethic. They they those girls work. They remind me of the bells. Those girls, the Potomac ladies work.

01:31:44
Speaker 2: But one thing about the bells, I'm bell collective and doesn't the time I'm wrong. Ain't nobody trying to be Marie. No one wants to be Latitia. No one wants to be Marie. Nobody wants to.

01:31:57
Speaker 1: Be LaTrece right for sure her own lane.

01:32:01
Speaker 2: And those those girls, let them.

01:32:05
Speaker 1: Be them like they know Marigo, kick get the dog.

01:32:09
Speaker 7: And you know, but.

01:32:15
Speaker 6: Get you waight up.

01:32:18
Speaker 1: Off of you. I want you girls to let Gazelle be Jazelle. And the beauty of the rest of y'all is the fact that all of you girls.

01:32:28
Speaker 2: Have something special, unique and lean into that and and and you'll see a much more embrace when it comes to new girls. And this is my way of saying, I'm looking forward to seeing Charisse and Ashley.

01:32:46
Speaker 1: Have a conversation next season because that's.

01:32:48
Speaker 4: What I want to see.

01:32:49
Speaker 1: I want to see.

01:32:50
Speaker 2: Charise and Giselle and Monique and Ashley have a ponderosa like let's let's let's get the girls.

01:32:58
Speaker 1: She's gonna cook for real, for real.

01:33:00
Speaker 3: And Karen because Charis was talking about her. Karen in there too, Yeah, yar too.

01:33:07
Speaker 1: Karen too because she's.

01:33:09
Speaker 8: Son was on What would Happened Lives and he says that he has no comment on Ashley Darby.

01:33:12
Speaker 7: You just want to put that out.

01:33:13
Speaker 6: I thought he handled himself very well too.

01:33:15
Speaker 3: I thought he was very well spoken and he was going but very respectful that me and his mama and them did a good job of him shouting up Alice for her son. I want to say one thing, though, You see how God works the very weak, the very the very weak, the very episode the very week that that episode air where Giselle was so like, flagrantly disrespectful to Angel that same week, that same night, right after that, she got embarrassed on live television, and watch What Happens Live by quiet she did.

01:33:47
Speaker 6: So you get some of that kind of thing. You know what I'm saying.

01:33:50
Speaker 3: That ship is real and that shit works that same what are the odds the very episode following your episode where you show your ass and low key. I ain't gonna say bully because that wasn't bully and they just was all on her. But you know, the same week that that happens, you get embarrassed by quiet on live television.

01:34:09
Speaker 5: The shadiness of it together that week is like they're like smart booking to get the boat on that. I think all this like we went from being irritated, like bored with Angel in the beginning to her being.

01:34:26
Speaker 4: Talked about the most. Sometimes it's stuff.

01:34:28
Speaker 5: Stuff backfires and ends up making a person bigger than they were initially intended to be. Because it's now she's probably gonna At one point I thought, oh, they're not going to bring it back, but now she is, probably because.

01:34:40
Speaker 3: I just think we're talking about her because that's what happened. I don't think there's gonna be like a gain per se from like the conversations that we've been having surrounding her, because they've been circumstantial, you know what I'm saying.

01:34:52
Speaker 6: It's not like we've been talking.

01:34:53
Speaker 3: About her because we because she's been unforgettable in that way. And so I'm never gonna have a hey for nobody to get fired. You know, I don't do that. But I also don't think that she's going to see like an uptick in popularity amongst the fans because she's been the subject of a lot of conversations lately because of what the episodes have focused on. It's literally that's the only reason I think we've been talking about her recently.

01:35:18
Speaker 6: So I'm like, you feel me.

01:35:21
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to really translate into like a game for her of any sort.

01:35:26
Speaker 5: I don't know, because we start off with her being a non factor. Then she gets four episodes, right, they turn this around, made this like the Stacey I mean the Angel Show.

01:35:36
Speaker 3: We punched, but they didn't know. We're right, that's right, right, Blue. It's not in a way where like she's the focus.

01:35:45
Speaker 6: We're just talking about people were disrespectful to her. Y're talking about her in.

01:35:50
Speaker 3: Relation to what the actions that others have had around her, not actually that she's taken You feel me.

01:35:57
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying.

01:35:58
Speaker 5: I'm just I feel like she her performance should not get as much attention as it is getting. Yeah, and for people that are just watching TV, all they hear about is Angel.

01:36:10
Speaker 4: We are not talking about anybody else but Angel, really, and yes, it's not in a good way. We'll see what happens.

01:36:16
Speaker 1: You'll own it.

01:36:17
Speaker 8: If Angel owns it and takes one of these advice, ironically, she could turn this around.

01:36:20
Speaker 7: I just don't. I'm not holding my breath for that to happen because I've never seen her own anything.

01:36:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see. So next week the ladies. Unfortunately, more bad things happen.

01:36:32
Speaker 6: We don't get it again.

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