THE BATMAN Interviews: James Chinlund on Designing the Batmobile + Charlie and Max Carver on Starring in Fight Scenes with Robert Pattinson  + Movie Review: Senior Year (Netflix) + Trailer Park: Avatar: The Way of the Water

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I am your host Movie Mike a k A. Mike D. And if you are a fan of the Batman or really just superhero movies in general, I think you're really gonna like this week's episode. Have a couple of interviews coming up with the cast and the production designer on the movie, so a lot of fun behind the scenes inside on how that movie was made. In the movie review, we're talking about Senior Year, which just came out on Netflix starring Rebel Wilson. And in the Trailer Park we finally got the first look at the Avatar sequel and I'm a little bit more interested in this movie now. So so many things to cover on this episode. I'm glad that you're here. And if you're listening on Monday Special, shout out to the Monday Morning Movie crew. You already know what it is. Let's talk movies. In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast, one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like never before in a movie podcast, a man with so much movie knowledge piece basically like a walking AUDIMTV which Glide from the Nashville Podcast Network movie, The Batman is in the running to be my favorite movie of two. I love the movie theater experience of this movie. Even rewatching it back on HBO, Max I was surprised that I liked it even more. So if you haven't done that yet, I highly encourage it. And today I'm getting to talk to some of the people who start in the movie and also worked on the movie. But even if you haven't seen the movie, I still think you'll enjoy these conversations because it's a lot of cold, behind the scene things that we don't always get to learn about. So first up is my conversation with James Chinland. He is the production designer of The Batman. He has been building world in movies and TV shows for the last twenty five years. Some of his credits include Requiem for a Dream, which came out back in two thousand, The Avengers, The Lion King, and most recently The Batman. And on this movie, he was responsible for the look of the Batmobile. He also worked on all of the set design and he used this really cool technology to create the world of Gotham to be something that the actors could actually interact with, so they weren't just looking at a green screen the whole time. We'll talk about all that. I also, of course have to ask him about the Avengers. So here we go, let's talk to James. How are you. I'm good, Mike, how are you. I'm doing great. It's so awesome you get to talk to you. I've you know, talked to a lot of directors and actors on my podcast, but it's the first time I've talked to a production designer, and this is kind of the stuff that really excites me, the behind the scenes of how you create a world, especially with the movie like The Batman. So really excited to get to talk to you. Me too, thanks Man. So I obviously want to get into the creation of the Batmobile and the feeling of Gotham. But when you meet somebody for the first time, how do you describe what you do? The quick one is, we're responsible for everything you see in the film other than people and um, what they're wearing, you know, I think you know. We're responsible for um, the set, the location, UM, the props, the vehicles, the all of the feelings, basically all the space, the geography of the film, and that also entails like a ton of um logistical stuff like working with the cinematographer figuring out, you know, is there room for the camera, how would this shot work? So it really the thing I love most about my job is it touches all departments that basically we're sort of like the the u n for the film. We have to go around and talk to each department and make sure their needs are being met and simultaneously also deliver like a cohesive piece of design for the movie. Um that is, you know, in step and hopefully amplifying the narrative ambitions of the the director. So starting with the Batmobile and the design and the look of it, does it start with like a sketch from Matt Reeves? Do you go back and research like all the badmobiles that have been featured in other movies, Like where did the content begin? Well? I think in in our case, I think we were all led by Matt's take on Bruce and the fact that Bruce was a um, sort of a do it yourself sort of guy who had like turned his back on way in industries and sort of doing it all with his own hands. So I think we knew that the car needed to be something that you felt his hand on and and hopefully as an audience member, you looked at him said, you know, if I had the right skill set, I could probably build that car in my garage. That was sort of like what we were hoping for. So the idea that maybe he would use pieces of other cars and sort of kit bash them together, you know, sort of just taking what he needed and and assembling it. So we really wanted you to see the way it was built, make sure that was a part of it. And in terms of the access to that design, I think you know, we were literally looking at fragments of cars and different pieces and details that we that we liked, and we sort of we knew the mission and what we wanted it to do. And then we leaned into some amazing illustrators UM into and and got their help as we sort of started to hone it together into into a cohesive hole. And the batmobile we see in the movie is it a fully functional vehicle. That's what we're most proud of. I mean we built four, the team I should say, built four Batmobiles, one fully electric um and then three combustion engine cars. And they perform like crazy. I mean, all those stunts you see you're actually seeing that car do it, you know, um and um we're just no other batmobile in history has performed the way our car did, you know. And the stunt guys were so excited to get their hands on it, you know, put it through its paces, and I think it really shows in the chain. It's one of the most visceral car chases I've ever experienced. And uh yeah, I mean Dom Tuey, the special effects um coordinator and his team just did an amazing job, um, you know, bringing that kind of raw, visceral physicality to it. I think that's one of the most pivotal parts of the entire movie, that chase and got me the most high whaile watching the movie and knowing that now that actually happened and actually went down, just add so much more to it. And I think a lot of that it's from Robert Pattinson's performance. How much did he actually get to drive the Batmobile before and how much did he actually do during the filming of the movie. I mean, he's in the car a lot, whether he's actually controlling it or not. There was a there was a m the guy's built a what's called a pod car, so Rob's at the wheel, and then there's a stunt driver like in a in a pod on the top on the roof who's actually doing it. But you know, in a way, I think that even speaks more to Rob's bravery and intensity. Tobuy actually like driving in this car while someone else is actually putting you through all that stuff. So um, but he drove it a bit and um, he certainly put it through his paces himself. So and I think all of those things come through. I think you feel that in the film. You feel the sort of sweat and and um, burning rubber and rain and all those things. I think it really comes through in the final product. Did you get your driving at all? I did? I did dream come true? That's amazing. Yeah, I know, I know. I was so excited. So the other thing about this movie that really just kind of grabbed me is that I feel like it's the best iteration of all the characters. But the character that I feel sometimes people don't really talk about is the city of Gotham itself. It has a present in this movie that feels like like it did its own driving force. And I think a lot of that is due to the technology. You guys, use. I believe it's the led volume screens. Yes, Like, how how did that tech work to help the actors feel like they were more like involved in the scene and in that environment aside from just being behind like a green screen or a blue screen. It's fairly obvious, like, um, the difference between you know, um, staring at a piece of fabric and then looking out into a you know, a city that's fully realized for you with like wind blowing and helicopters flying by and traffic. It was so exciting to be able to. Um. You know, often as a designer will design something and then hope that it comes together and post and we're at the premiere and we sort of see it all come together. But this was, you know the first time in my career where I had actually been able to design something and see it fully realized on camera during the shoot. And um, Yeah, it was just so so exciting to be able to bring all that together. Greg was obviously, you know, really leaning in to the tools and making sure that you know, the scene we shot sunset and dusk and dawn, you know, taking advantage of those low light opportunities, and I think the actors really felt it you know, and I think it really came through in their performance. You also worked on The Avengers, which you've worked in DC and Marvel, and I believe you grew up in New York City. I did, so getting to design something like the Stark Tower, having growing up there and you know, knowing exactly like what the city layout is. How was that process of like, Okay, I'm gonna create something that's not actually here, but make it feel like it is in New York City. It's just like I pinched myself at the dream dream come true of it all, you know, Stark Tower. For me as a kid, I'd always looked at the Panama Building, and Um, I feel like what we did, whether we actually realized it or not, is going to live forever in the history of New York as a piece of architecture that will always be at least a footnote to that building's history that people will say, and it was used in Avengers and in this way, and so I think, you know, I mean, we're building architecture and worlds that live forever in people's imaginations, you know. And so I think in the same token, like going into Gotham and figuring out you know, like I have this opportunity to carve out sort of a new space for the fans of Batman to dream and and and um. You know, it's as a designer, it's it's the greatest gift to be able to touch people in that way. And what is the next project you're working on? I don't know. I'm just working on getting through these interviews today. Um. Yeah, I don't know what's coming next. Are you always just like designing and making notes in your head of Like you go out in public and maybe you see like a landscape or you see like a skyline that speaks to you. Do you always just keep like record of all those things? Take pictures? Yeah, I mean I think that's that's that's um. That's a designer's greatest resource, is you know, just um, the more you design, the more you are able to see in the world and details that you notice that maybe other people might cruise through. I think, you know, we tried to bring all that to the development of Gotham. You know, I think there's so much, so many things you don't see that are hidden in the shadows. But the team, you know, the level of detail that we brought to those sets. Every Square into the back lot and Riddler's apartment. You know, I mean they we went so deep. Any book you opened, you know, it was fully relevant to his past. So I think, yeah, we try. As a designer, you try and just you know, catalog the world and and bring those feelings back to the film. It's a great talking to you. James really appreciate it too, Thanks Mike, Thank you. Up next, we'll talk to you Charlie and Max Carver, who are twin brothers and they play these two guards at the Iceberg Lounge. And here's just a little bit of their scene and interaction with Robert Pattinson as the Batman. Yeah, I want to see the penguin. I don't know what you're talking about. POW's problem as he wants to see the penguin. Penguin, Penguin, That's what I tried to tell him. Get out of your freak, Dammy, that little suit is gonna get all full of blood. So I want to know what it's like to take a beating from Robert Pattinson, what kind of work goes into that. So here we go. Let's talk to Charlie and Max carb How are you guys, How are you great to talk to you guys today. I am such a huge fan of your work and The Batman. I think the movie is a masterpiece, and you guys play the guards at the Iceberg Lounge, and I found that your characters are the only ones really I get to see Robert Pattinson as both the Batman and also as Bruce Wayne. So what is this How is this energy different when you see him in those two different roles. It's It's funny. I remember reading the script and and thinking of the traditional Bruce Wayne as I was reading it, like this billionaire playboy out there doing all this stuff. And I remember on the day when we're shooting the moment where where Bruce comes up to the club, mapp being like, no, he's no one's seen him. He's a recluse, and and just being like what. It was such a different interpretation, and I quite frankly I loved it of of this wounded kid who's who's got so much trauma um trying to find a way to to maybe overcome that and not look at it. And what I thought it was so special about this film is even when when rob was had transformed into the Batman and his vengeance. You can see in his eyes and every single scene he's still carrying that pain from his childhood. And it's what it's what makes this movie sing to me is that there's a vulnerability to Batman that I don't remember seeing an and and the contrast between the two energetically, it's absolutely captured on film. But when when we'll start with Bruce, when when Rob walks up and he's Bruce Wayne, you know, it was this different kind of reclusive withdrawn thing that was so interesting to respond to. And then when when he came to the door as the Batman, I mean we'd rehearsed stuff with the stunt team for for weeks, you know, kind of preparing for some of these bigger action sequences, and Rob was precise but so ferocious compared to what we do. Even to be rehearsing it was, I mean, you see it, he's just this you know, kind of piston or what have you. Um it was. It's it's really nice to see the final product and to get to see that contrast on camera because shooting it you definitely felt it. So what is that rehearsal like Because in the movie, you both take a punch to the face, Like, how does that end up looking believable? Well, we we actually got punched in the face, actually got played. I was gonna say that would be amazing because it looks so real. Yeah. Yeah, it's all about the snap. Quite frankly, you gotta sell it. It's a snap and the sound and really not just working on that rehearsal of those specific moves because they might change on the day, but working with the stunt team for weeks to do martial arts, to get those movements right, to be ready to kind of do anything because you might change your mind on the day about what you want to shoot or how you want it to read, and to just get this really enough confidence to have a sense of connection while it's happening, because it might be it'll change, you know. One take might be like bah bah bah, another one might be really quick, and it's just about being with what's in front of you and having enough experience on your belt hopefully to to just work with it um because it's it's kind of almost like a really violent dance. But if Matt Reeves came to you both and said I'm gonna need you to take a punch to the face, for the scene to make it look totally believable. What do you always said? Yes, absolutely, so he's been analynced as coming back for the sequel, Robert Pattinson's coming back. Will your characters be returning? Oh? I wish I could answer that question, but I'm under legal obligations to say nothing on the topic. Could you say anything whenever you found out you got the role, like, just to each other? Was at it pretty much just to each other. Certainly not to our mom because he loves to keep a secret, and no she doesn't. Certainly would have gotten out. Um. Yeah, we kept it to ourselves at a certain point. We were in London for so long that we kind of had to acknowledge that we were filming something. But it was fun to keep secret, uh, and then really fun to have it be out in theaters and have you know, lots of old friends be like, oh my god, well, I appreciate the time and hopefully see you in the next one. All right, thank you. So I always have to ask what you're working on next, not that I expect them to actually tell me, like, oh, well, I'm working on the Batman too right now. And this is the process we're in. I know they can't say that stuff, but if I had to speculate from the interns they gave in response to that, much like Matt Reeves is back on as director, much like Robert Pattinson is coming back, and how these movies have to be so secretive of not letting anybody know what they're working on. I would just speculate that not only are they coming back, but they're already starting some pre production on this, or at least getting the juices flowing, because even seeing interviews after was Robert Pattinson like he knew he had that role back when he was filming Tenant. And if they're already making announcements about the director and the cast, I feel like that's already in the works, but they just can't say anything. So totally respect that, but hoping they do return, because I would love to talk to him again, and I would really just like to become friends with James so that maybe someday I could also live out my dream of driving the Batmobile. I'm gonna get into a movie review now. Let's talk about Senior Year, which is available on Netflix, and my wife Kelsey is joining me for this review. How are you. I feel like this was a little bit more of your style of movie, would you agree? Yes. I watched the trailer like a month ago and I was like, we've got to watch so I don't even need to play the trailer here. But it's about Rebel Wilson's character, who she is seventeen years old at the beginning of the movie. Her life in high school isn't going the way she wants, so she sets out to become the most popular girl in school, becomes the captain of the cheerleader team, gets the boyfriend of her dreams, and thinks everything's gonna be great. And then they're having like a pep rally, right, and they throw her up in the air. She hits the ground and wakes up twenty years later at thirty seven years old, and then she tries to go back to high school to achieve that dream of becoming prom queen. I thought the premise was pretty good. I mean, it was nothing original. It's kind of like seventeen Again with Matthew Perry sat Affron. But I think anything Rebel Wilson does is pretty funny, and it was funny to see the actress who played her younger version of herself kind of like emulate her. Yeah, Like at the beginning we were even like, wow, like the younger her feels like she's trying to be like rebel. Wills picked up on her mannerisms and just the way she kind of just the comedic style in general also kind of reminded me of like the Adam Project with the kid who plays a younger Ryan Reynolds also kind of acted and talked like him. But did you think it was funny? It wasn't not funny. That's how I feel about it. It It wasn't hilarious, and I thought it was gonna be around here because it's rated. Are are? Yeah, I guess it's more for the language. Early on, I felt like it was kind of the same joke over and over about like all the two thousands references and her not getting you know, everything going on now. So it wasn't like laugh out loud funny, but it was pretty entertaining and it's kind of like a throwback to a two thousands movie. But like you said, nothing super original. Yeah, it kind of felt like in the genre of like she's all that, Like it tried to be like an early two thousand's common kind of I think. The thing it did make me think about if you were to go back to high school your senior year, what kind of student were you? Because she was head of the cheerleading team. She was like that most popular girl. If you went back to high school as an adult, what role would you be going back into extreme nerd? Yeah, I was the president of the math club my senior year. How does one become president of the math club? I think I was the only one that ran looked great on my resume. You would compete, now, we would. We would take these like once a month like test after school, but anything that you got right was like extra credit towards your like actual math class. And I was in calculus a year, so I was like, great, give me any extra credit please. I have this reoccurring dream that I'm always back in high school. I think I probably have it like once every couple of months, and I always go back. It's always the same dream of me being there and never graduating and being credit short, so I go back as an adult unchbox. Basically, I always had this this thing going on. I don't know what it means, but for me, I didn't look I never got bullied in high school. I just didn't have any friends in high school. I didn't have great friends until second semester of my senior year, and one of them i'm like still friends with to this day. Because one of my best friends from freshman year moved our sophomore year. And then I had another really good friend, but she ran across country and I was always busy, so I don't really have like a ton of friends. I was pretty much a loser sam like not like a loser. Like I had friends. I wasn't like the nerdy cool. I feel like like I was a cool nerd. Maybe I guess I was kind of a I don't think I was a cool nerd though, I just had no friends. I didn't talk, so no one talked to me. I don't feel like anybody, at least in high school didn't like me. They just I felt like I didn't exist. And even the sole quote unquote friends I did have, like I was in a in a band when I was in high school with other you of seniors, and even then they wouldn't really hang out with me, like at school, like I ate lunch a lot, and I think it was more early on in school where I got bullied, and then I think I just kind of recessed into like this, don't talk to anybody, don't mess with anybody, because I didn't want to get bullied again. But if I went back to high school, I guess I would just be basically what I am now. Also in this movie, it's kind of that contrast, which kind of reminded me of twenty one Jump Street when they go back to high school and they're like, oh, everything's changed now, like high school students are nice and they got rid of the prom queen prom king, so they have to reinstate it did you even go to You went to prom? Right? Is it? Would you have regretted it? Looking back if you didn't go, I think I would have regretted not spending that night with my friends. But our problem is nothing special. I don't regret not going. I mean, I don't think you missed anything. It didn't seem fun to me, like I didn't want to go hang out and not dance with anybody and kind of being in the corner of the whole time. I don't regret it at all. So would you recommend this movie if somebody is into looking for a nice comedy. Overall, I would recommend this movie if you just kind of want something lighthearted. You don't really have to pay attention in two. You're just wanting to turn the TV on and sit down and probably scroll your phone. And the soundtrack is good. It's well, it's all two thousand songs, that's right. That I felt like that was the most the thing I enjoyed the most of because I remember they played saleav by Bewitch and I started bopping along to that. The nerd and me did find the inconsistencies though, because if she was in a coma in two thousand and two, a lot of those songs they played that you reference were like two thousand three is two thousand four if you're being specific here. That that was my great tea on the movie. But I thought it was entertaining. I thought it was gonna be funnier. But I did like the kind of nostalgia aspect of looking back at the two thousand's that way, I just feel like the movie I want to see is not like, here's all these references that you remember. I just want like a two thousands movie to be made in two kind of like Turning Red, was it was just in the two thousand's. It wasn't referencing everything. It was just kind of like people living in that time. I think it's time for that now. I kind of have more of a grasp of what like pop culture was then fashion. I think we all kind of look back at those songs and can kind of put a place to where we were. And also it brings us back to a good time. So I think that's why some people would watch and enjoy this movie. I mean, the fashion from the early two thousands of six sixthical and it's coming back, so we're just we're kind of reliving in early two thousands, were at that marketing then if it's back together are back. I mean it's kind of two thousand two again. I mean, yeah, EMO is as popular now. I feel like that it was back then, which was weird going back to talking about high school, it wasn't really cool to be in the EMO. This is Mike's therapy session. Yes, I think that's what I got made fun of the most, was like wearing all black and people making fun of the music I listened to. You did also have a chain wallet from Hot Topic? Yes, okay, my embracelets and studded belts. I'm not going to say I would have made fun of you, but I can kind of see. But now I feel like all that stuff is cool again, and it's cool to be proud of liking that type of music. Back then I didn't feel that. And also a lot of those bands that people talk about now is being like their favorites, like my Chemical Romance and Paramore. It's just cool to like those bands now. It wasn't back then. You got made fun of her liking that kind of music. Can I tell the story about Paramore not being one of your favorite band? Yeah? I have a here where we do this podcast. I have a sign poster a Paramore and they got announced for the A c L lineup and the band I was most excited about was not them? What Phoenix? And I came in your office and I was like, I'm surprised you weren't more excited for Paramore and you can go, well, I mean, Paramore is not really one of my favorite bands. And I just turned around. But let me tell you what else he has on this wall. So it's a sign Simpson's script, a signed Childish campaign, a letter, a signed Green Day drumhead, Drumhead, and then Paramore, so all of your other favorite things, so one would assume. And then also on that while you have a flag like from one of your Lauren's arms favorite bands, so one would assume that's like the wall of favorites, although I'm not on there, so maybe I shouldn't have assumed you're on the desk though, But I pointed to it and I was like, then, what's the signed poster for the story behind I do like Paramore, I'm not super into all their albums. I'm kind of a poser family because I only like basically their singles in their hits. I don't think I could go to a Paramore concert and enjoy the entire thing. But I got that poster because they were in the radio station. They did an interview on the pop station. I tried to get a picture with them and they were like, now they're in and out. I couldn't do it, but here's a sign poster. So I also at one point debated whether I even kept that thing or not, and I think it's kind of cool put it up on the wall. That is the origin on that poster. I do realed this podcast. Sorry, it's all good. If Yeah, if you're looking for something an easy watch with some popcorn, little nostalgia worth it. Otherwise you could probably skip it. But if you had to give it a rating, what would you give three point two five out of five calculators, I'd probably go three out of five Juicy gutur sweat pants combo is what it was called, sweatsuits like juicy across the butt. Yes, I would give it that, And that is what we think about Senior Year. Now it's time for the part of the podcast where I break down a movie trailer of a film coming to you very soon in theaters or streaming, in a segment we call It's time to head down to movie. Mike and I talked about it a couple of weeks ago when it was revealed at cinemacom the first look at the new Avatar movie, and I haven't been that excited about it. I did rewatch Avatar in preparation for this. I don't know what I'm getting prepared for this movie, but I felt the need to and it was just sitting there on Disney Plus, so I decided to watch it. And I gotta say, now I'm a little bit more excited for this movie. But before I get into all that, here's just a little bit at the look of the new Avatar trailer, which is called The Way of the Water, and it's coming out on December sixte I don't know one thing. Wherever we go, this family, it's our fortress. So it's crazy to me that after thirteen years, it still looks relatively the same. I don't know what I was expecting, like them to create an entirely new world. It still feels very much like Pandora, but the characters look a little bit more crisp, and I feel like the movie is starting to make a little bit more sense now. And I think the reason I didn't love Avatar as much as maybe everybody else did, or as much as people hyped it up to be, is while the visuals are amazing, I felt like the story was a little bit boring. And even as I watched it back on Disney Plus, I realized that I'm watching that movie. It's undeniable, that it is a really great achievement in cinema, and James Cameron knows how to create a blockbuster, and that's what Avatar is. It's the highest grossing movie of all time, at two point eight billion dollars and actually beat out of injuries in game after it was re released in theaters in China last year. So I feel like it's just always going to be the highest grossing movie. Do I think Avatar The Way of the Water will be? Probably not, but it's still going to make a lot of money. But after watching this trailer, I feel like this movie will have the better story you don't have. I just felt like there was nothing original about the first movie of this outsider coming trying to be like one of their own, and then the bad guys coming and then like, oh, we didn't trust it the entire time, Like that's what Avatar was. It was essentially Dances with Wolves but with blue people. And I think when you take away that spectacle of seeing Pandora for the first time, you take away that three D. The only thing I still really enjoy about that movie is the final battle scene when it is the characters an Avatar and also the real life humans, and that's just a really fun fight scene. I felt like that was the best moment of that movie. I could have fallen asleep about halfway through, woken up at that and been fine. So that movie is a boastful two hours and forty two minutes, and there's still no official runtime on what the sequel will be, but it's rumored to be around that same mark. Two and a half hours to three hours is what we're expecting here, and that's just what James Cameron does. I mean, the Titanic is three hours in fourteen minutes, but I don't think we really remember that. I remember the two VHS tapes, but I just wonder if audiences will be as excited to go back to the theaters thirteen years later and sit down and watch this for three hours. And I don't want to sound like a James Cameron back sure, which is what I've been accused of before on this podcast. I just feel like when it comes to my favorite directors, I can always tell their work by seeing their voice through the movie, whether it be the editing technique, the casting, the storytelling, the writing, the dialogue. To me, there's just something important about watching something and knowing pretty quickly like who made this because of the style, whether it be Quentin Tarantino, Martin Scorsese, Christopher Nolan, Steven Spielberg, Zack Snyder, like they all just have a distinct style. When I watch to James Cameron movie, I don't really feel that. I think his style is just making a blockbuster that makes a lot of money, so I think that's it. He's just in the business of stacking mountains of cash. But again, that comes out this year on December, and they shot Avatar two in and at the same time they shot Avatar three, which is coming out in and then Avatar four is coming to six and Abatar five is scheduled to come out on December. So I hope we are all ready for this this weeks edition. And that's gonna wrap it up for another week of the podcast. And before I hop out of here, what I do every single week, let's give the listener shout out, whether it be an email movie Mike d at gmail dot com, a d M, a tweet, or a comment over on the Facebook page. And that's where I'm going today. Every single week you can find the podcast actually posted there if you're somebody who happens to listen to podcast on Facebook. 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