NFL Love Letters From Secret Admirers

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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast, it will be the next team featured on Hard Knocks. It's possible. Then what are we doing? Rum parts unknown? It's another edition of Around the NFL. My name is Dan hanss Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler from different parts of America. Yeah, this, this Hard Knocks thing is a curiosity and a concern for me because we have teams like the Bears and Jets coming out and saying they don't want to do it. And it just seems odd to me that the Lions got massive pop off that show last year in a great wave of a personal good or goodwill uh and and that didn't move the needle, and it makes me worried about the future of Hard Knocks potentially slipping away entirely. The Lions can't sell it to these have notts who.

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Speaker 2: Can I I'm not worried, but I am I take out of the gate. I'm just saying they're going to make some team do it and it'll be great, and it's HBO and it's too good for the NFL to go away. And so maybe if a team is a little ornery about it, that's not the worst. But I would like to see a Hard Knocks about us. I mean that the drama, the subplots. I like, Mark, what would you think would be a big takeaway for Hard Knocks at M viewers.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess there'd be invariably you'd have to track each of us pretty deeply in our personal lives, because although we text each other a lot, we see each other like maybe a couple hours a week when we're doing the show. So there'd be a lot of other content coming from beyond the show.

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Speaker 4: And I think I'm a.

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Speaker 2: Mess with the mirage and we hang out outside of work.

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Speaker 4: You're right, it's no, we do.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, it's just like there would be a lot of I would doesn't know when you say don't mess with the mirage, I'm joking.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be good Hard Knocks for our show in the sense that, you know, when we all come back from our summer vacations in July, we're always, you know, very refreshed and recharged. But our version of Hard Knocks would also capture that creeping horror when the realization in like the end of August early September hits that oh my god, this is happening again, and we have you know, roughly seven thousand hours of content to fill and another season is upon us.

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Speaker 3: That's trauma, though, there's natural conflict, and we'd all be responding to it very differently.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. It's a quiet week in June, not as quie as it will be starting next week. There are some teams that are concluding their mandatory mini camps this week. Some teams wrapped it up last week. Some teams are excusing their veterans entirely. It's obviously different than it used to be in our league, and I don't think that's a bad thing. We will be going through some news coming out of camps in a bit.

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Speaker 5: And and.

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Speaker 1: Mark, you're a lover, right, yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think so. I mean I have that capacity, you.

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Speaker 1: Have the I have the capacity to love. We're gonna we're gonna tell some love stories, uh to you figures or entities. I don't know. I don't know what you guys are gonna be talking about, really, but in the NFL we're telling some love stories today.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is absolutely a Sessler jam. This is uh, Sessler is a lover. I mean he's too modest there. I don't know what he's trying to hide, but just just ask some of the co eds at Camp Happiness. He ran through that thing like a tornado.

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Speaker 4: You know that is mythical.

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Speaker 3: I would say that, like, because you know, I kind of pitched this segment yesterday. Then as we get closer and closer to the show, even waking up this morning early was like, I have no idea as usual what this segment is, and I and I created it, so we will see what comes out of this.

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Speaker 2: It's a good one. I like it.

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Speaker 1: Why do you do that, Greg, Because whenever Mark pitches an idea, I feel like there comes a level of apprehension from marking anxiety about it going well. We don't need to ramp up the pressure. It's not on Mark to miss the segment. Sing. No, it was a good idea, and now it becomes our job collectively to make it sing.

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Speaker 2: It was a it was a great idea, and I always love a Mark suggestion because they always do sing. I mean, we need we need that left of center energy right now in the middle of June.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll see, we'll see how we fare.

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Speaker 1: We're in the middle of a strange kitchen wherever you are, Greg.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I am renting a house. Uh, visiting my parents in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of cedar behind you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice. It's new. I like kind of cleaned it before we start. So that's it's just an invite to watch us on YouTube. Check us out.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to get any wives and children cameos walking in the background.

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Speaker 2: That's why I've been I've banished my children to my brother's house for the podcast, and no. Emica made it clear she wanted to get everything handled so she does not end up on YouTube. She will not be there.

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Speaker 1: Damn it. Mark another chance to see Emica by the boards.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's not.

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Speaker 3: It's a privilege when it happens, but it's it's an elusive target.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a leapyard type thing for marketing. All right, let's do some news.

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Speaker 5: Mel the Cowboy thirty five single back two tight ends.

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Speaker 2: Let's over with the three man front snap spam handed off.

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Speaker 1: Barkley over the white car said, pretty fine, Princey Tucker, pretty tall, he's.

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Speaker 2: On the thirty feel work for the news on fifteen ten fine bunk Forsauld one. He's inside the.

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Speaker 1: Pine one with a touchdown. Barkley with a thirty six yard touchdown run for the Giants. Ah, there is that man, Saquon Barkley who came back from a knee injury, got some new coaching with Brian Dable and company, and had a big year for the Giants, A big year that in some cases might lead to a big contract with his rookie deal coming up, but that hasn't happened yet. And Saquon Barkley was at a charity event. Isn't it weird these charity events, by the way in June, especially whenever a team's dealing with or a players dealing with contract squabbles or some type of heat. Maybe it's a double edged sword, or maybe it works for both sides because the media is showing up in mass to talk about the player's issue with the team or whatever the controversy is. But it also does get a ton of media to said charity event, this one some Saquon Kids Camp in Jersey City. Anyway, he was asked about his uncertain situation, and I must add as a setup here when he was asked whether or not he would consider sitting out the twenty twenty three season rather than playing on the franchise tag, Barkley said, that's a car I could play. Here's some more. Where are the.

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Speaker 5: States with negotiats now there?

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Speaker 1: Are you talking? Are they open to talking right now? Or are you kind of just in a holding Tanner?

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Speaker 4: I think they're open to talking.

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Speaker 6: I think I'm open to talking. But I think at the end of the day, you really break it down and break break it down and look at it as a whole. You know, there's no rush, there's no rush. You'll you'll still have Tom. There's still time on the table, So pause, you're last seventeen July seventeenth. It's not too long, it's not in the week. What's up Tom? And that's how I look at it.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's the Maybe that's like the naive.

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Speaker 6: Way you to look at it, and I could be completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: But for me, that's how I look at it.

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Speaker 6: And I trust my team and hopefully I trust the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I can get something done.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: Ralph Aciano has been covering the New York Beat forever now with Fox Sports, wrote last month that it doesn't sound like a long term deal for Barkley is particularly close. Greggie set to play on the tag that will pay him just over ten million do you think there's any chance he gets a deal.

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Speaker 2: Here, Yes, because it sounded like, according to our guy Mike Garrifolo, there were some pretty good offers coming from the Giants before the tag was applied. Garifolo had said it was in the twelve million dollars a year range. It's all about structure and guarantees and so that you never know exactly what that means. But it seems like compared to Josh Jacobs, for instance, these two guys who were both on the franchise tag, sak one's got a chance for it to happen. I don't take it too seriously that he could miss regular season time, but it might be one where he doesn't sign until, you know, ten days before the season. Compared that to Jacobs, who sent like a cryptic tweet this week. It was who said, sometimes it's not about you. We got to do it for the ones after us, And I don't think Josh McDaniels is interested at all and giving the long term contract so that that could get more contentious.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's you know, the only real example we have recently of doing it for the next wave for running backs was Leveon Bell and that not only didn't work and fell on its flat on its face, it essentially ended Leveon Bell's career to something as well. So I think part of Saquon Barkley was, if you read some of the beef, got that.

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Speaker 2: Jets of money. He got that Jets money. I mean, not as much money as he would have had if he had.

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Speaker 4: Well he did, but that he did.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think it changed the way that we feel about paying running backs, like you know, climate wise, and I think Saquon cares absolutely a ton about his own legacy, his own career, and sitting out like is not going to suddenly trigger a big money deal for him an offseason from now, I think you start to fade from the radar and possibly be replaced on your own team this season. So I think he'll be there, but it could it could probably annoy us deep in the training camp.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope his agent isn't filling Saquon's head with too much talk about sitting out, because I think, yeah, I think Le'Veon Bell is the ultimate cautionary tail there because he did get some money for the Jets, but and certainly not as much as the original deal entailed, but when he came back after missing a year of his prime, he was not close to the same player because he was so desperate to get high market money, which is his right, he had to take the bag from a Jets team that was, at that point in the NFL sphere was, you know, at basically the bottom of the pile for teams you'd want to go to with Adam Gase running the show over there, and then it went. It was a disaster. So Barkley, don't put yourself in that situation. And I like watching him play. In fact, let's put a pin in Saquon and his situation for the time being. We'll get to it a little bit more in a bit. DeAndre Hopkins great wide receiver. He's a free agent after the Cardinals parted ways with the All Pro a couple weeks back. He visited with the Titans last week. Rap Sheet reported earlier this morning it was a quote very positive visit. He is now scheduled to visit with the Patriots on Wednesday and Thursday. Bill Belichick, before that Ian Reporting, was asked about Nuke and the Pats and all that, and here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not really a travel agent here. I'm not gonna say it's gonna happen here, not gonna happen. There's a lot of there's stuff going on that I'm not directly involved in it, So I'm not going to say anything. And then, you know, you turn around and said that I misled you in some way, because that's not what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 1: Here's the follow up question. Always good when somebody follows up on a line of questioning that Belichick doesn't really want to get into.

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Speaker 3: What would he bring to the table.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to talk about players that aren't on the team. You know, that's just throw it out there. Okay, put that line in the water.

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Speaker 1: Building good spirits. Uh yeah, Mark you have. He could he could talk about Nuke because he's not connected to any team right now. But I guess Belichick was saying that's just not his style. He's not going to talk about a player who's not assigned to the dotted line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't.

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Speaker 3: And there's still teams hanging out there in the midst that have interest in new Hopkins, that you Ves and Bills if they can sort out their money situation. I think Cleveland has been talked about as a real target and Tennessee. I think it's interesting, is like, we have a player that actually went on this podcast not hours a different one and listed the quarterbacks that he wanted to play with. And you thought, well, back at the time when maybe everyone's going to line up and try to make it happen, and it seems instead like it's going to be a bit of a longer process where he's going to want to get paid as much as he can. And Mike Reese, who does a great job covering the Patriots, said that he thought maybe New England's looking like a one year deal that's kind of more like the Odell Beckham won to some degree. So I do find one thing, you know, who knows.

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Speaker 4: Where we are like interpersonally.

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Speaker 3: But the idea that new Hopkins gets reunited with Bill O'Brien intrigues me in a weird way.

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Speaker 2: It's very similar to me to Darius Slay is on this Eagles team with Matt Patricia, which is awkward. He said. It's like he said, their relationship now is cordial after Slagh basically slammed him on his way out of Detroit and then Philadelphia hired but such as a defensive assistance. The fact that Nuke is willing to go to that meeting suggests he'd get over it. Everyone loves them selves some Bill O'Brien in Foxborough like, he's a different Bill O'Brien in Foxborough. He's at the end of the bar. He doesn't have the pressure of being the head coach. He's just like a regular Boston.

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Speaker 1: Guy in other in other Oh, last point I have on that, Hey, New England, don't let him out of the building. You have him for a two day visit. Everybody knows that the AFC East is extremely competitive. Give yourselves a puncher's chance in that division this year. Get people talking about you as anything other than the team most likely to finish in last place. You had Nuke in there. All of a sudden, you had a little energy and hope, not just to the fan base but inside that building. GREGI, it makes too much sense for your boys.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think this wide receiver group is gonna be better than people think this year because I think Kendrick Bourne will be better. He sounds a little like motivated, it's like deeper, but they don't really have a difference. Maker and I don't know if Nuke is that guy, but I think it's a spot where they would know how to serve what he does well. Belichick is good at just like ignoring the stuff you don't do well, focus on what you do do well. Mac Jones not really like a deep ball thrower, but I could see it working.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in the AFC East where the Buffalo Bills. I have them number one on my urgency scale. GREGI has them in the top three. I believe that article will be going up early next week. By the way, for the people that have been refreshing NFL dot com repeatedly this week, just know that I will be turning it in to Features editor Ali Ben Purriy. Isn't it funny how often Ali comes up on the show and he just has no idea, Like he wouldn't know. I don't think people are hitting him up that he's being referenced so regularly on this program. And I don't think he's a regular listener, Mark. He's just coming up probably on a weekly basis on you know, pretty sizably, you know, in terms of metrics football podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he is a very busy individual, a professional. But I would imagine that even if someone were to come up and sort of tap Ali on the shoulder and say, hey, you were mentioned in this podcast from yesterday, you might want to check it out.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that would compel him to press play on any level.

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Speaker 4: That's just my guess.

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Speaker 2: That's hard. He's got to be on Twitter, though, I don't. I think I follow Ali in Twitter, not too active, but look look for him. I'll e bon PORI our listeners and be friendly about it, just say hey, the Around the NFL podcast says hello and really respects all the work you do.

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Speaker 1: And I have a phone call with Ali later this week, so I'm going to let you guys know if anything comes with this anyway. So the reason why the Bills do have urgency to get it done this year, to get over the hump, to get back to their first super Bowl in what twenty five plus years, and you need stuff on Diggs along for the ride. And it'd be better better if Stefan Diggs is in a good place right now. It doesn't seem like he's in a very good place with his team. In fact, Bill's coach Sean McDermott told reporters that Diggs is not at mandatory mini camp this week, and it's not it's not great, Bob.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Steph is not here. Everybody else is here at the current time.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 7: Very concerned, Yeah, very concerned. I'm not going to get into and listen, I respect everyone's everyone's questions and what they want to know about our team. Right now, I'm just I'm not going to get into into that anymore. So we'll talk about practice. Happy to do that, Happy to answer those questions, and we'll move forward from there.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a leading question by the reporter said, how concerned are you? But I thought it was notable, Greggy, that McDermott would say very concerned that he's not at this June practice. It makes me wonder if this thing is the schism is a little deeper than the public knows.

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Speaker 2: I am totally with you. Hearing that in context was good. It does change how I feel about it a little bit, because I was thinking maybe McDermott's saying very concerned because he's in a tough spot where if he says he's not concerned, it's not a big deal. That's sort of not taking whatever Diggs's problem seriously, and I think he knows Stefan Diggs well enough that he wants to show whatever respect he can out of this process, and so I think he was answering. Honestly, I don't think he's trying to make a move, but very concerned. Is very concerned. I don't think I Sean McDermott as a guy who is trying to mislead the public, and so I think he is very concerned that there might be something more long term here well.

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Speaker 3: And I just have to assume that we're getting those few words from him, and I think he's one of the coaches that will just be up up front with the stuff and I like him for that reason. But like he knows the environment, he knows what's been going on with Stepan Diggs all offseason, and the drum beat is some strange tweets that I mean, maybe you read nothing into in a complete and total absence from team activities that now is mind into scenario where this is the most most desperate team in the AFC to get to the super Bowl, a team that needs less distraction than anyone else, and literally the pivotal star player in your passing game is refusing to show up and probably seems pretty serious about not showing up until he gets what he wants. And they didn't do a whole lot to add depth to that whiteout group. I mean, it's like you lose digs and that group starts to fall apart.

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Speaker 2: But it's not money, which is the It's rare that it doesn't seem like it's about money. He just signed an extension last offseason, which was a big one, so I can't imagine it's about money. It really seems like he's just like frustrated they keep losing. I don't know, or there's more going on than we really see.

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Speaker 1: I think it always goes back to the money. Gregy. I know, I know he's frustrated, and he's a he's a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve. But there's got to be something in his business arrangement that he's not thrilled with. You would think he.

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Speaker 2: Got He had a twenty one point five million dollars signing bonus just last eight pat his coin.

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Speaker 3: But Greg, my question, maybe what does he want? What is what needs to happen for him to If it's not a money thing, it's like, what are you wanting like a public show of affection uh from the team and team brass. I don't know how that would play out either.

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Speaker 1: Is he unhappy that Josh Allen is on the cover of Madden this year? Is that what this is all about?

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Speaker 2: I think they get it. Is funny when Alan's asked about it and he's just like, well, you know, that's that's Stefan. You know he's he's competitive, he's a little he was saying it in a good way. I think, like that's why he is such a great player. But more than any holdout, if we wanted to call this a holdout, I guess he is missing mandatory work. In recent memory, it really does seem to be like he was just pissed they lose. Like since they lost, he's just been grumbling that he's not happy about the Bills. Maybe it's about the offensive coordinator. There was a new one, Ken Dorsey last year, Like maybe, I mean, he had huge numbers, so it's hard to figure.

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Speaker 1: There was there were moments, I would say, if you look through their season where he had some down games or was quiet, or maybe wasn't as active in the game plan, or wasn't his targeted as much. I'd like to check that out, Big Randy behind the virtual glass, if you could check out his targets twenty one, twenty one verse twenty two, that would.

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Speaker 2: Be I got it right here. They were basically the same. They were huge in twenty twenty one to twenty seven targets or one sixty six targets, but basically the same one sixty four, one fifty four. But they I think he sat out the last week because they didn't need to win, or it can't sattle down to ten targets right right?

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Speaker 1: What did he have in twenty twenty now they.

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Speaker 2: Got I was wrong. I was looking at the receptions. They were more efficient than but the targets were basically the same one sixty six one sixty four, and then he missed the game last year. One fifty four got it.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay in the AFC East Aaron Rodgers. One of my favorite lines in arguably the best sitcom of all time Arrested Development, when George Booth is in prison and his son Michael is visiting him, and George has made friends in prison, and it's very comfortable lifestyle. He's eating an ice cream sandwich and Michael says to his father, Dad, you're doing time, and Booth goes, Michael, I'm having the time of my life. That's Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's a lot of fun. Actually, the last six weeks have been about the most fun I've had in a while. So it's fun to come to work and be excited about what we're doing. We've got a great quarterback room to be able to work with Todd Downing and Rob and Hacks in there all the time. And you know, we get some other randoms coming to sit in the room, which is nice too. Put to work with Zach and Tim and Chris has been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's call this what it is. Rogers is enjoying, yes, both presenting a highly functional, healthy relationship with his new team, but also a little twist of the knife to the packer is that I loved this off season program. I love being having perfect attendance and what a great vibe it is here maybe not so much over there.

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Speaker 3: Well, there always is a double pronged approach to anything he says, and it right now it is that dichotomy of like, yes, this is a bit of a dig at Green Bay. The thing though, because like I've probably been is down on the Rogers off season charade the past couple of years is as much as well as anyone, And like since that press conference, I do see a guy who feels like there's new energy. He seems excited, he's going he's hanging out with his teammates a bunch where he always seems to a little bit of a lone wolf to me in Green Bay towards the latter part of all that.

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Speaker 2: So I buy it.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's I think also things change in that wit that schedule they have, they start one and four, but I don't think they're going to I think there's something about a new version, a better version of Aaron Rodgers when we got last year.

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Speaker 4: I'm buying in, maybe to a fool's degree.

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Speaker 1: As a as a Jets fan, this was the best case scenario other than he had the minor cash, but he was practicing by the end of the OTA's like in the mini camps, like this is what you wanted. You did not you would have My radar would have been up if after all that drama throughout the offseason. He then does the I'm working out on my own in California move like you couldn't ask for a better setup to how this goes where it goes from here. Well, it's about to get real sooner than later once we get to the fall. But so far it's so good.

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Speaker 2: It makes total sense that an all time great at whatever field they're in is going to feel a new motivation after maybe things started getting stale in your job. You've reached the highest of highs with Green Bay, and like, now, not that you're trying harder, but yeah, you're probably trying harder, Like you are extra motivated to make it all work. And it's nice to just be somewhere else, and it's nice to be in New York City going to the next games and going to uh, you know, boy Genius or wherever the hell he's going to tailors went to.

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Speaker 1: Then, I mean of the Tonys.

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Speaker 2: That was a little about Wait, I thought we were burying the lead though. Who are the Randoms in their offensive meeting? That was like an Aaron Rodgers quiet shot. There are some people, some random some coach on the Jets is like, am I one of the Randoms?

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Speaker 1: Who Who's I assumed it Zach Wilson. Oh well, he mentioned Zach. Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. Uh. Finally in the news. You know, we love the media beat, and this one is personal on two levels because mark Ingram, formerly of NFL Media, also formerly of the Saints and other NFL teams a legend at USC There's billboards all over the city right now. People might find this really weird, but it's a kind of a weird sports down Los Angeles. Somebody's buying a bunch of billboards across the Southland and and it says, give Reggie Bush his heisman back. It's like, I kind of agree, just like, who's doing this, Who's spending this money? What's happening right now?

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Speaker 2: They're everywhere too. I I want to follow, like the dark money that is somehow supplying this, Like is Reggie Bush ultimately connected to this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know is the heisman because I know that Reggie had the heisman for a while and then he had to give it back a few years ago. Is this something I could be purchased? Because couldn't we just take the billboard money, uh this this these dark forces and and purchase the heisman and then give it to Reggie and maybe you can get some tequila shots out of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's out on Thanksgiving Eve.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's gone the the at that actual heisman. But I think the idea now is like, look, Reggie Bush was just doing some small scale gift taking that now is legal. Uh if you're in the NCAA. Anyways, give the man his respect, our former co worker. I know he really remembers us incredibly well as like that guy. Oh, yeah, that guy, and then and then yeah, the other guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys. Oh is that my chauffeur I get I'm not sure. Reggie is looking like he's out at Fox now a contract squabble. He wants more money, and Fox is like, well, I don't want to give you that much more money. And bad news for reg because Fox is of course. It's from Andrew Marshawn, our boy from the New York Post whose brother listens to this show. All these connections, all these red strings anyway, and guess who they have locked and loaded. According to Marshawn, it's mark Ingram Mark Sessler's friend from Germany or Greece, I don't remember, who would hypothetically retire from the NFL after thirteen seasons and joined Fox. And we know Sizzler that Ingram would do a great job in that phase of his career.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's already proven.

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Speaker 3: I mean, whether you spent time with him in a locker room as a teammate or coach, off the charts on that level. He's done a ton of podcast work and TV work, like it was Italy and Germany. I think you know that, but I'll I'll let you know, but I would just say that, like there the trip was very like tight knit because we're just traveling around on buss, had no choice but to get to know people's personalities, and like he's just got this gift of engagement. I mean, he's just bizarrely funny. Uh he he would go in to do these like one man skits for you know, ten twenty minutes at a time, staying in character. So I don't I just more want to see what we'll get out of him on a on that kind of platform, because it might be too it might be not zany enough for him. I'm want to see him really be what the guy that I witnessed in those German countries.

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Speaker 2: Mark Wood, Right, Because when you think that crew. It's like I think is that urban Meyer is on that and Liner and Bush was on that. Yeah, vany is maybe not the word. I I don't want to go back to the whole marajh thing from before. And you know, because we are great friends. But the bond, the bond mark that you built with mark Ingram and Rex Ryan and some defensive tackle on like the Panthers would like prime, is it more of an unbreakable bond, like if you could only save one of us falling off a boat, Like are you going mark with a kay?

00:28:23
Speaker 3: The way I'd answer that is you know that we were all on text threads together and so during the trip people needed information, uh, and so there was was a vibrant level of communication. Then about ten days after we got back and there was some photos being sent in a text or two I think it was Marking and they said, Okay, well now we're not going to be using this thread anymore, but we've moved on to a new phase of the friendship and the trip hangout. It's just like I think that kind of was maybe aimed at me to some degree, along with the other regular Joe's on the thread, so.

00:28:57
Speaker 1: He didn't use I'm on the boat.

00:29:01
Speaker 2: I'm on the boat.

00:29:02
Speaker 3: He No, he did say something like that where it was like, we're you know, this phase of our communication is now shifting.

00:29:09
Speaker 1: It was clear that shift was into nothingness, correct into a total abyss.

00:29:16
Speaker 2: Well, you've seen him here and there and and and exchange pleasantries, so I've I think I feel like he's seen that in person, so that's not.

00:29:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kidding a little bit.

00:29:24
Speaker 1: He didn't have to do that, though, he could have just let it fade away naturally. He didn't have to make an announcement that this we are no longer on speaking or texting terms.

00:29:33
Speaker 3: Wasn't it kind of decisive though, Like, there's no there's no way to not know exactly where he's coming from on this.

00:29:39
Speaker 2: He could remove himself from the conversation at maybe maybe iPhones weren't able to do that back then. Wait, I do want to hit on one thing with Reggie Bush because I think it's something I've seen, we've seen at NFL network. Unless you have a lot more mark ingram thoughts here, he he is making a mistake. I feel like a lot of ex athletes who are aren't as good being broadcasters as they were as being players. Like there's difference makers in terms of broadcasters, and then there's like guys that are there because they were big names or because they're good looking, and there's like a sliding scale and like the smaller your name and maybe the smaller like how good looking you are, like the better you have to be. And like Reggie Bush is, you know, as famous as he gets, and he's pushing for more money. And we've seen this at our network sometimes. I think sometimes some of the guys who who push for more money, it's like the other side is like, actually, like you're not like our leading running back, you're not our leading star here, and you're not making that money back that easily. If you're just kind of go away.

00:30:43
Speaker 1: Right, it's fair. I mean, people aren't. The ratings for the football games are not going to go down because mark Ingram has replaced Reggie Bush, even though Reggie Bush is way more famous. So be careful. Really good business advice from Greg Rosenthal. Let's take a break, all right, we are back, and uh, love love, love love. How important it is in society to share your feelings because mark uh, if you don't share your feelings for the people you love. It's like a bank account, and if you don't make those love deposits, eventually that bank account will run dry. Was that apt?

00:31:35
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:31:35
Speaker 3: I think we've all learned the hard way on that front in our youth in years since. So I'd agree with you. You've got to You've got to put the work.

00:31:43
Speaker 1: In a weird day, Yes, I I believe that, Greg. How about you? Uh, the bank account of love? Was that apt?

00:31:52
Speaker 2: I think it was fantastic. I'm always trying to make deposits. They sometimes get rejected, you, very often they are rejected.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: All right, So what we're gonna do here is we're gonna share. We're going to share our feelings. This is actually a safe space. So we don't want any pushback from the public at large one way or the other on this because we're just opening up our heart and letting people know how we feel. I'll get it going because I think mine is more universal. My first one in terms of you know what, I'll save that one. I'll start with somebody that we discussed earlier. I want to talk about Barkley. This is my love letter to Saquon Barkley. It's not your fault. You've It's not your fault. You've done everything this team could have ever asked of you. A local boy kid from the Bronx. They made you a number two overall pick, and you immediately played at an elite level. That justified what was seen as an unorthodox decision. Why was it unorthodox because remember, running backs aren't special. They are a replaceable commodity. They get old fast. That's why that's what they say. Right. You tore your ACL in twenty twenty, you worked your way back, you got a real coaching staff around you, and in twenty twenty two you finished first Team All Pro. That's the second time, by the way, you've gotten that honor in four full seasons. I don't think you'll get old fast, say Quads. In fact, barring a Giants run to the Super Bowl, you'll still be twenty six years old at the end of the season when it ends. Is twenty six old? Mark? Is it old?

00:33:59
Speaker 4: It does not feel old to me.

00:34:01
Speaker 1: You've played four full NFL seasons and her first team All Pro in half of them, a Rookie of the Year award third place and Comeback Player of the Year of voting last year should have beaten Gino, men of the community, great smile, state school education. I love you, Saquon Barkley. I love how you play, and so do the hard working denizens of northern New Jersey in the greater Tri State area. This guy right here, he's one of us. Back after this, I believe your current contract situation will represent the tipping point when it became clear that anti running back sentiment has gone too far. You are the perfect test case, Saquon, a superstar running back in your prime who carried your offense through thick and thin. And when last year's stunning run to the playoffs concluded for the Giants, it was the pedestrian quarterback that Eli Manning cos player who got the massive new contract. Wow, where's my music? Thank you? It's not your fault, Saquon. I know, I know, and you know that that Mannikin's success was largely predicated on your very presence on the field. To take what you achieved over sixteen games of all pro greatness, then see it used a successful leverage for that stone faced jimoke from Duke that non human. Okay, this is too far. Maybe sitting out of season then watching the carnage wrought by asking, said Mannikin, to efficiently run an offense without you. Yes, that would show them, but don't do it. We deserve to see you the beauty, the greatness that you give us every Sunday, but it's good to make them think about that worst case scenario. You are loved by people who understand what football is all about, especially big blue football, Benny and Hackensack, Doris and Rigo park mic in Upper Saddle River. And yes, Danny from Rockland County, we are your people and we will lift you up in the way you deserve. Sincerely, Danny from Rocklin County.

00:36:11
Speaker 4: Wow.

00:36:12
Speaker 3: Uh, what a start here, And I mean Dan, I know you were suggesting that his agent shouldn't take him down a dark road and take his career off track in a misguided fashion. I would just cut off everything that you've created right there. I Hi were that agent and basically just ship it in a zoom meeting to everyone involved in the Giants in the Saquon Barkley decision making process.

00:36:35
Speaker 4: You nailed it.

00:36:37
Speaker 2: I agree, like, no, let's get let's give Dan. Let's get Dan from Rockland a little cut. It should be a bigger cut, though. There must be something annoying if your Sako and Barkley and you just are fully in the knowledge that you are better at football than Daniel Jones. And Daniel Jones got ninety two million dollars guaranteed over a two year contract and you're just hoping to squeeze it from like twelve and a half to fourteen. So I don't think he would mind Danny from Rockland taking these shots from to Danny Duks. He's too good hemate to do that. But he's he's fine if Danny from Rockland doesn't for him.

00:37:13
Speaker 1: That's the other thing, like we heard from earlier in the show, from the charity event in Jersey City, he is a upstanding citizen, a good dude, a good teammate. Like it would have been very easy as soon as Jones got that frankly somewhat absurd contract and taking his all giants off a social media and made this about look what you gave the quarterback but not me. But he is trying to play this in a different way, and I don't know if it will help him not hitting the nuclear red button. But I respect him for trying to think of the team and Daniel Jones first, because it's not his fault either that that's the way the system is rigged. It's just rigged against people that play Saquon's position.

00:37:55
Speaker 3: And the one thing he has got going for him too, is because it's not a what would they look like without Saquon Barkley because through the injuries and we've seen a lot of test case examples of there being no Saque in that offense, and Danny Dimes is not the same player. I mean last year was was what you've been waiting for from the Giants as a whole, and like to pull saque I think they've got to realize that would be a semi disaster.

00:38:18
Speaker 2: There is something funny about this whole thing to me, though, because I think he's gonna get that contract.

00:38:22
Speaker 1: We'll see.

00:38:23
Speaker 2: It's hard to guess, but that it's such a Dave Gettlelman team that it's all those picks he got killed for Daniel Jones and you took Saquon too high. I mean, Leonard Williams was a guy he signed, not that people were getting on him, but that's a Gettleman signing. Andrew Thomas was his draft pick, like Dexter Lawrence was his draft pick. These are who they're building around, and Joe Shane's done a good job since they got there. It's not shaneon Daviles fault, but it's a little bit of a gettleman, you know, on the come up?

00:38:53
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, you're up? Okay?

00:38:58
Speaker 2: I don't know which one to go. This is actually a poem. I didn't write it. It's on Reddit. It's on Reddit. From Herbert gal ten ten.

00:39:12
Speaker 1: Here it goes, really putting in the work.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: Music's really thrown me off here, flowing hair, blowing leads, powder blues, smoking trees, third and long dime after dime. But why those runs on second and nine? Shots down the field that don't seem real? That one to giton made me squeal. So hard to sack, so hard to pick. You don't make mistakes, you make to a fan sick. No Joe Lombardi, No Anthony Lynn. Keep blaming the coaches if we don't win. Save us from twenty seven to nothing and Marlon McCree from Kating, from Steve Young, from Ed Hocy Lee Lightning fast reads, Lightning fast through the sky, a bolt through the heart. Never say die. The city we live in, the City of Angels, lonely as I am together, we cry.

00:40:24
Speaker 1: Wow gorgeous? Yeah?

00:40:26
Speaker 4: Wait, Greg who wrote that? Who wrote that?

00:40:30
Speaker 2: Like that writer Herbert gal ten ten On, you know the Justin Herbert read Podcaah, you might not be able to find it. It's really deep down you have to really know what you're looking for here.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: Jalen Guiden was that was he taking some fire in that was like basically even Jalen Guiden can make plays.

00:40:49
Speaker 2: No, it was a very specific one that I have also remember well, me and Herbert gal ten ten Yeah, have some similarities that one against the Giants, you know at the I think it was the twenty twenty one season. It was like the throw of the year at home early December.

00:41:06
Speaker 1: So did you slide into Herbert Gal's DM so to let her know you'd be using her?

00:41:12
Speaker 2: No, I thought you'd be fine.

00:41:13
Speaker 1: Pros Yeah, I thine is she in that house right now? That rental home?

00:41:20
Speaker 2: It's an agreement, it's an arrangement. Just if those deposits are getting rejected, it's just like a solution that everyone wins.

00:41:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really happy. Let me just say, I am so happy that Justin Herbert is not on the Miami Dolphins. I think the entire NFL should be very happy. That's not the fact. And you could take that as to a shade if you will, But even Dolphins fans in their you know, heart of hearts, will acknowledge if you took that offense with that play caller and put Herbert in there and what he can do and his ability to stay on the field, they could run that division for a decade. So we'll see what he does in the long term and in Los Angeles, if there's a long term in Los Angeles. They haven't gotten that deal done yet. I think they'll find a way. But to the Chargers, they're known to be cheap.

00:42:15
Speaker 3: They are, but that would be about as big of an organizational calamity as you could stir up in their literal team history.

00:42:23
Speaker 1: Tonight, they just lost twenty seven blew a twenty seven nothing lead in the playoffs, so they have the capacity to stun.

00:42:29
Speaker 2: It is part of the poem, the twenty seven nothing. Really, Chargers fans will will know what I'm talking about there, Marlon McCree, that was what Herbert gal ten ten is talking about. I did the research after I saw the poem to find out Marlon McCree, the guy that fumbled when they intercepted Brady in the divisional round of two thousand and six ed hockey lely part of a famous call that switched another playoff game. Just the details are are amazing. And her I think Herbert is a guy who I just think inspires poetry. I think that's the only way you can even write a letter to him. His play is just so beautiful. It's like art.

00:43:16
Speaker 1: Very nice, Greg, very nice. And I hope you signed that letter to Justin and just Pill for Charger Gal's work. Don't attribute it Hebert, he works. Sorry, Herbert Gal. All right, Mark, you're up, all right.

00:43:32
Speaker 3: This is a letter to the Atlanta Falcons, but from me if I were still like a student obsessed with football in like a some sort of mythical academic setting from the past, like back when you write letters to people like this, you've caught my eye. Instead of paying attention in algebra two, I find myself drifting away with thoughts of your beauty. How did I not notice you before? I don't even remember that life. Now when I open my trapper Keeper, my pages are absent of equations, pie graphs, A rise overrun, replaced instead with fantasies of you running one hundred and fifty plus snaps out of the Maryland Power Eye, switching for quarters at a time into a mauling single wing outfit that crafts twenty seven play twenty two minute marches that turn the run time of an NFL game into a brisk walk around the park. Nobody can perfect a heavy set Notre Dame Box in the autumn of twenty twenty three, such as you long painful minutes for the enemy, or on tap is your beautiful leader? Arthur Smith unfurls one time chewing ground assault after the next out of a five man flexbone set, doubling as a rabid dog. I am yours. I know I'm not alone with my Falcons fan in this room, but it's just how they make me feel, how what I think is coming our way, which is their style I've been waiting for.

00:45:08
Speaker 1: We would never mark. You've bared yourself emotionally intimately about these Falcons here today.

00:45:17
Speaker 2: So who opens that letter? It just goes to the organization.

00:45:22
Speaker 4: That's tricky.

00:45:23
Speaker 3: It's got you'd have to hope it lands in the right hands. I didn't think about that.

00:45:28
Speaker 2: It's very touch it's very touching and maybe before you know we have any Falcons because we we don't always know what we're going to do on this in these segments. I I also have a letter going to Flowery.

00:45:45
Speaker 1: Branch and let's hear it. Yeah, wow, okay, is this from the just.

00:45:53
Speaker 2: This You can interpret whoever this is from however you want, but it's to Dave Bragone, offtive coordinator of the Atlanta Falcons.

00:46:01
Speaker 1: Thank you for making that clear. It's important.

00:46:06
Speaker 2: I hope this letter finds you well and the quote unquote security team doesn't intercept it again like one of those Mariota Ducks under pressure lmao. Exclamation point, question mark, exclamation point. As you know, I've been the number one Dave Ragone fan since your NFL Europe MVP days with the Berlin Thunder. You revived Josh McCown's career in the UFL as a QB coach, you scraped a thousand yards out of Kendall Wright and Nate Washington. As a Titans wide receiver coach, you helped Mitch Trubisky win an MVP award. You have a lovely wife and two children, and now David Goone, you are changing football as we know it if Arthur Smith lets you well. The rest of the world is obsessed with pass past pass. You're bringing it back to the nineteen eighties, when men were men, when they didn't wear anti persprint, when punting was a good play, when E meant the Environmental Protection Agency. I just hope Smith doesn't get in our way, Dave Ragone. No amount of FedEx money can fake what you have or can take away what you've built. Dave Ragone, Why don't you answer my emails? Dave Ragone? Why does Arthur Smith take all the credit? Dave Ragone. I get that he's handsome and rich and authoritative as a Catholic school nun. But that's why you have to follow steps C through F of my last letter to you, and I will do the rest. Please, Dave Ragone, don't shut me out. That wasn't me at the T ball field?

00:47:43
Speaker 1: Sorry I missed that last one. What happened at the T ball field wasn't him?

00:47:46
Speaker 2: Wasn't me? Wasn't me?

00:47:49
Speaker 1: Oh, I say I am. This is my favorite podcast subplot of the upcoming season, because I also am on accord that the Falcons are a little bit interesting this year, but they still decided, you know, to sit on the QB situation, which will make all of this null and void come real football time. And I'm looking forward to that playing out and having the conversations again in October.

00:48:16
Speaker 3: Not if Dave Ragon can do what Greg is suggesting, I think that every position group will be fine. I think it's kind of let's aren't they at least building an offense where your quarterback can chill out a little bit and he's to do everything right And this isn't This isn't Arthur Smith's style offense.

00:48:32
Speaker 4: Greg, don't you agree that?

00:48:34
Speaker 2: Well? I mean I think too I personally, and that didn't have a anyone signing that letter just for protection. But if Dave Ragone follows steps C through F from the previous letter, maybe the Falcons will have something also to come together as a team to come around this new interim coach, Dave Dave Ragone because Arthur Smith is indisposed for for whatever reason, and Ragon finally gets the pop that he deserves. And I feel like, or at least this this person feels Arthur Smith has really been hogging this credit.

00:49:13
Speaker 3: I mean, how much was Arthur Smith. We were coming right back to the see through f business in your letter.

00:49:20
Speaker 2: It would be a problem.

00:49:22
Speaker 1: How much would Ryan Tannehill really have cost this team. You didn't have to start him. You didn't have to you didn't have to give him the job. You could have done the whole song and dance and said it's Stsmond Ritter's job to lose, and then Ryan Tannehill could have come in week four as he should, and then he's your quarterback. At least it makes sense.

00:49:41
Speaker 2: I'm leaving to open my mind for that to happen. I feel like we're learning, you know, with this Hopkins release. Sometimes things do happen pretty late and it makes too much sense. And I have an update. I know you guys were really waiting for this. That one week we were just gonna talk about. I was gonna look back at the Desmond Ridder tape of twenty twenty two. We would talk about the tape. We're not ready for that week because.

00:50:02
Speaker 1: We're it's coming.

00:50:03
Speaker 2: We're gonna blow it out. It's gonna be daily shows. But I have done some of the legwork behind it, and I gotta say I I don't feel any different about Desmond Ridder. I might feel less less excited about Desmond Ridder than I was before. So let's do this. Tannehill, oh really little preview, just saying it didn't it didn't. I know there's some people I respect, like Nate Tice. Who's who's in the Ridder camp. I'm not I'm not seeing it right.

00:50:30
Speaker 1: Now, all right, So let's let's move that pessimism out and let's let's again open up our hearts and our arms to love. And I want to share love for a lot of people here. I believe you. The guy moving all over the place on offense, You are a movable chess piece. The guy putting his hand in the ground, and also the guy allowed to stand up. Yeah that's way better to all you rookie qbs who are throwing really far spirals. Hell yeah, I think that's newsworthy. The guy moved to the opposite side of the line. The guy being moved to the interior or kicked outside. Yeah you got this. King holdouts, smart play, hold ins, bring down the machine from within, baby. The guy who said he was one hundred percent entering training camp last year, but is now saying this is the year he's actually one percent healthy. I don't think you're a liar. The quarterback who says he's learning so much in a new backup role. Princes become kings. The kings can become princes too. The QB who is hyper confident in a new offense install. Yeah, boy. The Saints player who says having Derek Carr has been quote amazing. Give me that juice. I'll guzzle it down too. Guy who is an entirely clear on the gambling policy and feels lucky. Vegas, Baby Vegas. I believe you, all of you, beautiful, beautiful babies of this wonderful cosmic ballet we call pro football, all of you. I believe hm.

00:52:32
Speaker 2: That was touching.

00:52:35
Speaker 1: I think it's a time of positivity, and I refuse to age in anything else.

00:52:38
Speaker 2: Right, some of these letters just seemed weird, frankly, not expressing love maybe as it was intended, realizing now and yet that that was beautiful, That was love.

00:52:51
Speaker 4: It just it used acceptance.

00:52:54
Speaker 3: You know, we're going to be doused with these comments from these players, and you can swim up stream and try to stop it, but you're accepting it, and that that is love.

00:53:03
Speaker 4: That's an aspect of love I love you also, I love you Also?

00:53:08
Speaker 2: What was that, Mark?

00:53:10
Speaker 4: I don't know something I said four months ago on the show. Apparently, let's hear it again. I love you.

00:53:15
Speaker 1: Also, Mark. Why don't we close out this love fest with one more from you?

00:53:24
Speaker 3: This is one that I intercepted for anyone that was listening closely. Last off season, we uh had a little bit of a look in at the life of Cole Strange. So a year later, this is an email from Patriots O lineman Cole Strange to Linda Halcion. That's the girl that he dated from tenth grade at Farragut High in Tennessee into his freshman year a chattanooguy.

00:53:51
Speaker 4: I don't know if you knew that that's where he went to school, But.

00:53:53
Speaker 2: Who's forgetting that letter? Yeah? That was great?

00:53:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, right.

00:53:58
Speaker 3: And before Cole and Linda Halsion or pulled away by the world. Essentially, This is years later and he is slightly mythed, but he says, Dear Linda, I'm writing you from Patriots Mini caamp, where I've just sat through a seventy five minute meeting on pre snap adjustments from the Guard Center guard combo along our interior offensive line. We were never taught these concepts back when I played at Farragut High. One additional concept I wasn't taught at Farragut that you would somehow be convinced by your materialistic parents to get engaged to Leicester Wexelworth.

00:54:31
Speaker 4: What are we doing here?

00:54:32
Speaker 3: Wexelworth is a total nerd, and not in that reverse psychology emo way that some girls dig.

00:54:38
Speaker 4: But I get it.

00:54:39
Speaker 3: Hedge fun guy versus three hundred and one pound interior maler playing a game your parents don't respect. I guess you've forgotten all about our plans to visit every diner and die bar along the Tennessee stretch of Interstate forty, or eat nothing but Chinese takeout for one month just to see what happens to our intestinal systems. Or go birdwatching from atop of the old Old World worst building with a bottle of whiskey and cool range doritos. Bill Belichick said to me the other day, you'll be twice the player when you learn to wipe out the past.

00:55:10
Speaker 4: I guess that's what I'll do.

00:55:12
Speaker 3: May your days be bright, Linda hause Yacht or Linda Wexelworth, whatever, yours, Cole Strange Patriots Linemen.

00:55:22
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. You know, when he was drafted, there was a lot of pushback that that was a reach in the first round a year ago. But I think it's also when you read something like that, it's a reminder that a person's value and worth goes beyond their their splits or their leg press or you know whatever else. You know, there's more to it, and Cole is showing you that.

00:55:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that response because it's just like, there is this whole other side of these players that we don't we're not always aware of.

00:55:54
Speaker 2: No, it's tough because, like like wexel Rod, I would get it if it was like the dorky emo type, it's like sneaky, they're actually sneaky hot. Absolutely, It's like that Rachel girl and that where in the in the movie in the early two thousands she takes off the glasses, but she actually was hot a lot. There's actually a lot of guys like that. Wexel Rod's not that guy. He's a three. He's a three and a half, and you're ditching him for strange Strange.

00:56:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe you're referring to Lady Bogs from She's all that the Freddy Prince Junior vehicle. Yeah, she was super hot and we didn't need sixpence none the richer or the stairwell walk to tell us otherwise.

00:56:39
Speaker 2: Great Rachel is the actress's name, And I should have had that ready if I was going to make such an analogy, but you nailed it.

00:56:45
Speaker 3: But Clark Ken and her basically, and then you know, the glasses come off and it's a super bean.

00:56:50
Speaker 1: Can we like slow down too with what was going on at the Daily Planet like in Metropolis, Like Clark Kent was smoke show broad, hot, chiseled cheekbones, great hair, and so he's wearing a pair of glasses and now it's like, not only do we not see him as Superman, we see him as a bumbling like fool hanger on in the newsroom like let's clean it up world.

00:57:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:57:15
Speaker 3: I mean, if anything, I thought he brought you know, levity to that newsroom with his sort of tripping and bumbling and falling over things, which was just showed you as a great method doctor. He that's not who he really was.

00:57:24
Speaker 2: And those glasses turned out to come back into fashion as like hot guy glasses and they've probably stuck there for about fifteen years. They just are the hot guy glass right now.

00:57:35
Speaker 1: If they if Superman were to come out today, Clark Kent wouldn't have the glasses and Superman would, right.

00:57:44
Speaker 2: I also love that, like Cole Strange is, and it's something special about this podcast that we have sources, we have ways to get into the cold Stranger's world. But you have to be a regular listener. Because I did Google because I remember Lil Linda Halsion was involved in the program and it was almost exactly a year ago. And if you google Cole Strange, Mark Sessler, you find a review as the top result, and it's from Reddit, and I'll read it and it says Mark's excursion into Cole Stranger's head is an all time Sessler moment. So I just think that's that's that's accurate, That's what that is there, it is.

00:58:26
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see where we are next summer with him.

00:58:29
Speaker 1: Wonderful. And that's it and that's it for today's show. And I think the only other thing I'll say is tell somebody that you love him today as we did. We'll be back Thursday with Connie Fox until then you know what to do.

00:58:49
Speaker 2: He the call love you guys, oh I Love you also say