Fed Rate Cut in March in Doubt; High Tech Earnings Continue
On today's podcast:
- Federal Reserve officials cemented the end of their aggressive campaign to push up interest rates, and sought to reset expectations for how soon and how fast they’ll cut this year as inflation pressures fade.
- US megacap earnings are back in focus, with Apple Inc., Amazon.com Inc. and Meta Platforms Inc. all due to release results
- In an unscripted scene during tense testimony Wednesday, Meta Platforms Inc. Chief Executive Officer Mark Zuckerberg stood before a packed Senate hearing room and apologized directly to the families of children who were victims of sexual exploitation on social media platforms.
- New York Community Bancorp may have its credit rating cut to junk by Moody’s Investors Service as the firm stockpiles money to cover troubled loans and spends more to fund operations.
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2024-02-01
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Good morning. 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.920 I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.440 stories we're following today. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.560 It is a day after the Federal Reserve held interest 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.240 rates steady steady for a fourth straight time. Now the 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.919 focus continues to be on when the first rate cut 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:19.880 will come from Jay Powell and company. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.840 The FED chair all but took March off the board. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.239 I don't think it's likely that the committee will reach 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.240 a level of confidence by the time of the March 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.120 meeting to identify March as the time to do that. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.879 But that's to be seen. So I wouldn't call you 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.720 know when you say, when you ask me about in 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.320 the near term, I'm hearing that as March, I would say, 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.600 I don't think that's probably not the most likely case, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.000 or what we would call the base case. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.600 Jay Powell acknowledged the dramatic inflation progress in recent months, 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.800 but repeatedly emphasized the need to see more data confirming 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:54.880 that downward trend. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.640 Well, Nathan, reaction still pouring into Jay Powell's news conference. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.400 We got up with the black Rock managing director Jeffrey 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.800 Rosenberg and former New York Fed President and current Bloomberg 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:06.680 opinion columnist Bill Dudley. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.560 I think that's the story, is it May as a June. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:10.679 It's not March. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.760 It's pushing back because they don't want to rush into 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:14.839 a cutting cycle. 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.880 I think we could expect quantity of tightening tapering to 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.840 happen sometime probably around the. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:20.680 First half of this year. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.320 If the inflation is continues along the same course for 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.600 a few more months, then the Fed Reserve is certainly 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.240 going to start to cut rates. They're just not absolutely 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.640 confident that that's where we're going to be three or 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:31.360 four months from now. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.600 And that was Black Rock managing director Jeffrey Rosenberg and 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.520 former New York Fed President Bill Dudley speaking to us 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.440 after the FED decision. FED fund futures now have a 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.200 March rate cut down to thirty eight percent. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.559 And now Karen, it is the Bank of England's turn. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.440 The BOE is expected to leave its key lending rated 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.120 a sixteen year high. We get more from Bloomberg's Lizzie 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.040 Burden in London. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.200 The other thing that I would watch though, is the 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:58.720 guidance if they drop mentions of further tightening and this 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.160 need to be restrictive for an extended period, that could 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.720 be seen as veering away from the hawkish bias, and 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.400 if they don't do that, it could be seen as 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.919 the MPC giving market. It's a bit of a slap 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.600 on the risk for getting ahead of themselves with the 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:13.400 rate cook bets. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.400 Bloomberg's Lizzie Burden says economists unanimously expect the UK's Central 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.520 Bank to leave its key lending rate at five and 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:20.359 a quarter percent. 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.280 Well, Nathan, it's also a very busy day for earnings 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.239 in Europe, and let's stay in London and get the 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.680 very latest from Bloomberg's creatygupda critty. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.200 Yeah, Nathan, Karen's some pretty big moves here right here 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.919 in London. Shell up over two percent after beating earnings 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.160 estimates at three and a half billion dollars, buyback announcement 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.480 helping that stock as well, not to mention outstanding trade 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.799 in the gas market. Deutsche Bank on the other hand, 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.200 higher and buy about four percent, the German lender saying 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.000 it's cutting thirty five hundred jobs to focus there on profitability, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.920 but also a buyback six one hundred and seventy five 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.239 million euros on their bound sheet. And Roche on the 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.080 other hand, dropping four percent twenty fowty four guidance analysts 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.160 are calling quote extremely extremely weak in London, Creaty goop 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.680 to Bloomberg Radio, all right. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.680 Critty, thank you. Back here in the US, it's another 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.640 huge day for big tech earnings. Let's bring in John 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:04.840 Tucker for a preview of that. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.280 John and need to Apple, Amazon meta Platforms all reporting 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.280 the updates. We'll get fresh insights on how the companies 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.280 at the heart of the reason rally on Wall Street 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.360 are matching up to lofty expectations. Apple has suffered five 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.760 straight sales declines in a row. Analyst Dan Ives at 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.720 Wedbush Securities is focusing on demand in China. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.080 I think China's actually been relatively stable. I think that's 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.920 going to be a breadth of fresh air from Cokin 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.799 Cooper Tino on units on services. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.760 Amazon dot COM's results will reveal how the online retailer 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:42.120 perform during the holiday shopping season and how artificial intelligence 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.680 is impacting demand for cloud computing at Facebook parent meta 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.280 platforms may see a continued bounce back from a recovering 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.280 ad market and cost cutting. John Tucker, Bloomberg Radio, All. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.320 Right, John, thanks, So we continue to follow New York 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.600 Community Bankcorp. Following yesterday's record plunge of thirty eight percent. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.760 The bank reported a surprise loss yesterday and slashed its 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:07.280 dividend amid growing concerns over commercial property loans. Bloomberg Intelligence 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.600 Senior banks analyst Herman Chan says the results are an outlier. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.680 This seems more of a New York community specific issue 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:18.359 of needing to shore up their balance sheet and facing 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.719 a blip on their credit quality that they need to 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.800 you know, and still some more confidence in the market. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.479 And Bloomberg's Hermann Chan says Moodies may cut the bank's 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.760 credit rating to junk. The stock is up almost one 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:30.680 percent this morning. 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:32.320 Let's turn to policy news. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.920 In Washington, Karen Key Republican senators are exploring dropping demands 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.040 for new border restrictions and backing a standalone aid package 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:40.400 for Ukraine and Israel. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.159 Bloomberg Zed Baxter has the story. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.760 Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says he and Majority Leader Chuck 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.000 Schumer agreed. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:52.280 Two friends in the middle of a huge fight Israel Ukraine, 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:53.480 they need help. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:57.440 We on a democratic side, are pursuing getting all of 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:05.080 this done. Ukraine is humanitarian aid, Indo Pacific border together. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.840 Getting it through the House will be another story. Ukraine 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.120 is warning it is facing a critical shortage of artillery shells. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.320 Ed Baxter, Bloomberg. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:13.960 Radio, all right and thanks. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.719 Elsewhere on Capitol Hell, the CEOs of five social media 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.839 giants got a grilling over their platforms impact on kids' 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.280 mental health and sexual exploitation. Members of the Senate Judiciary 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.840 Committee focused most of their attention on meta platforms. Republican 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.240 Josh Holly had this to say to CEO Mark Zuckerberg. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.800 Would you like now to apologize to the victims who 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:33.799 have been harmed by your product? 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:34.720 Show them the pictures. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.000 Would you like to apologize for what you've done to 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:38.760 these good people? 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.640 At that point, Zuckerberg turned to families in the audience 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.400 and apologize for what they've been through. The committee is 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.039 looking for momentum on a bill that would target child's 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:54.000 sexual exploitation online. Time now for look at some of 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:55.880 the other stories making news around the world. For that, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.520 we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy Morris Samy, Good Morning, Good morning, Karen. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.440 Was a rare bipartisan vote in the House, which has 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.560 passed a seventy eight billion dollar business and child tax 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.160 break bill that would provide a boon for US companies 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.520 with large capital and domestic research expenditures. Republican Jason Smith 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.480 of Missouri expressed his support. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.680 Each of these policies will help American businesses grow, create jobs, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.119 and sharpen their competitive advantage against China. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.560 The measure now heads to the Senate, where Republicans are 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.040 pushing back against a provision that allows some people with 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.800 no taxable income to collect the child tax credit. Senate 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.640 majority leader Chuck Schumer says they're working on a deal. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.680 I support the tax bill, as I've stated before, I'm 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.360 working with Senator Widen to figure out the best way forward. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.120 Whitehouse says if it passes the Senate, the President will 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.520 sign it. Negotiations are advancing for an agreement to pause 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.480 the Israel Hamas war and free civilian hostages captured by Hamas. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.640 Sources tell Bloomberg that conversations are still in the early 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.080 stages and a breakthrough is not expected in the coming days, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.560 but the proposal, which would mount to the longest pause 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.400 and the biggest hostage release since the war began October seventh, 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.880 has a realistic chance of success and could lead to 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.200 a longer term cease fire. The White House says it 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:16.280 is monitoring the warning from FBI Director Christopher Ray about 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:21.080 Chinese hackers preparing to target critical US infrastructure. At today's 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.040 White House briefing, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.880 the administration prioritizes cybersecurity. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.239 This is something we monitor very closely all the time, 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.200 and we take all these threats seriously. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.080 You have to, Kirby says, one element of critical infrastructure 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.120 in the United States is a free and fair election. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.720 No matter how fast technology changes, AM radio has remained 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.520 a reliable tool for spreading information. Sean Voskell of the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.360 American Association of Retired Persons says there are still plenty 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.160 of technology deserts. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.400 Many people don't have the high speed Internet yet, so 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.880 they rely on their AM radio to get through information. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.760 The carmakers are considering removing free AM radio, replacing it 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.080 with streaming and subscription services that would require fees. FEMA, though, 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:09.480 says getting free, reliable information in times of emergency is crucial. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.120 Global news twenty four hours a day and whenever you 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.800 want it with Bloomberg News now, I Ami Morris in, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:15.600 this is Bloomberg. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.400 Karen all Right, Amy Thank you. 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Nick Dunlap recently 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.360 won the American Express Golf as an amateur. He'll make 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.760 his professional debut. Damian Lillard, back in Portland, where he 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.920 spent eleven season, scored twenty five points. His new team, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.480 the Milwaukee Bucks, lost to the Blazers in the rowe 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.240 and two with the new coach Doc Rivers on the bench. 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.360 Kevin Durant returned to Brooklyn, where he spent three and 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.520 a half seasons. He scored thirty three. The Suns beat 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.720 the nets Kawhi Leonards scored thirty one. The Clippers beat 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.479 the Wizards Flippers of one fourteen of the last seventeen 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.840 West Leaning Minnesota blew out Dallas by thirty four. Cleveland 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.960 won eleven last twelve. Donovan Mitchell scored forty five in 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.839 a win over Detroit. Miami beat Zacramento to in the 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.360 seventeen losing Street Johns Dashedward Bloomberg Sports. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.120 From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.079 Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias exam the Bloomberg 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.280 Business Appen Bloomberg dot com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.600 Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.480 Not so fast on rate cuts, It seems to be 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.680 the message Jaypowllin company wanted to deliver to markets. After 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.880 holding interest rates steady at the Federal Reserves First Policy 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.640 Meeting of twenty twenty four, we. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.120 Believe that our policy rate is likely at its peak 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.600 for this titaning cycle, and that if the economy evolves 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.120 broadly as expected, it will likely be appropriate to begin 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.360 dialing back policy restraint at some point this year. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.400 When that point will be, that's the question. For more 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.520 on the Fed decision, we're joined by Bloomberg opinion columnist 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.720 Marcus Ashworth. So, Marcus, do we need to start thinking 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.680 about May rather than March? 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.200 No, I think we still have to expect that a 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:19.439 move could come in March. It's two more CPI numbers obviously, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:25.080 payrolls times two as well, So I think the chances 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.240 are less that there will be a March rate cut 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.480 obviously they quite clearly say it's not their base case, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.520 but they were very careful not to rule it out. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.560 So it's data dependent. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.080 The FED has made is ready and unclear that they 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.040 will be cutting rates this year. Does it really matter 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.560 they kind of cutch him in March rather than May. 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.320 Probably not in the greatest scheme of things. They're taking 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.160 the time right. So if the numbers come in much weaker, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:58.079 bear in my big CPI revision on February ninth or so. 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.600 I think they'll be a payroll revis at the start 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.360 of the year as well. 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.080 If either of those come in, you know. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.559 Dramatically changed and weaker, then I think March will come 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.760 back onto the agenda. So yeah, probably may, but hey 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:12.040 could still be much. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.400 Well, what do you think is the risk that we 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:19.240 do see major revisions to that inflation data that's coming up. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.280 Big, and I think that's why Walla has flagged it up. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.840 The revisions were quite sharply down last year. Doesn't mean 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.040 it'll be followed through again, but I think the chances are. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.959 Reasonable that they are, particularly. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.000 If you look at the pc D edge and the 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:39.680 GDP report, it's running around two CPI is a full 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:40.840 percentage point higher. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:42.440 Something's out of whack there. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.360 Things are always slightly out of whack, but just a 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.120 bit more out of whack than usual. So the chances 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.040 are that that gap narrows is reasonably high, I think, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.520 and that will only make it more prevalent on the 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.760 FED to start thinking, well, they've done their job. Inflation 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.320 has been beaten. Yes, the economy is strong. It needs 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.800 to be strong, but that doesn't mean that they have to, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.920 you know, keep rates clearly too strong. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:06.440 Than they need to be. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.520 So you put that into the equation and maybe we 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.360 get an earlier rate cut. But you know, I think 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.920 the Fed's very content to take its time over this, 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.280 and I think that you know clearly there's shelter problems, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.600 and the problems pompartn you. But then we know shelter 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.160 as a component in CPI is very much lagging, and 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.000 when any of that turns, which looks like it has, 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.440 that will push CPI down substantially over the next year 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.719 or two anyway, So we don't want to get a 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.360 situation we get close to deflation. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.640 What do you think of there's a risk of a 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.760 problem if the Fed does keep interest rates high for 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:42.480 too long. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.240 Well, I mean, look, we just saw with New York 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.240 Community Bank or I mean, you know there is there 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.040 some nasty stuff in the commercial real estate. Also Japanese 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:56.000 Bank and Azora gets covered by New York not a 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.680 part of the US commercial property. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.200 So there are you know, we saw the. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:04.840 Silicon Valley shakeout last year and the common problems as 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.240 the signature obviously is feeding through to the old Community 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.079 Bank corps. But I mean, you know this is an issue. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.440 There's no necessary, real need, I think, to make interest 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.120 rates pain any more than it's it needs to be. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:19.080 It's done its job. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.640 It's fed through, and I think you know transitory is 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.960 now two or three years a definition rather than a year. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.000 But certainly I think we've see most effects Pytrough. So 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.640 the Fed's got it under control. Very impressive behavior from power. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.080 I wish the same could be said of the British 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:35.480 Central Bag, but that's another story. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.360 Now let's get to that story in our last minute here. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.280 Do you think the Bank of England's going to follow 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.440 the Fed's lead when it comes to pushing back at 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:43.680 great cut expectations? 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:44.880 We do have about a minute left. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.480 Yeah, they definitely will push back. A question is how 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:48.640 much they'll push back. 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.720 They need more time, and we have a higher wage 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.160 problem in the UK. It's residual, it's sticky, it is 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.240 feeding through. We are have beaten inflation, it's just not 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.720 showing up quite as evidently as is in the States. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:03.520 It will do. 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.720 I don't think there's any any real outline now in 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.960 the UK inflation terms. But you know, central banks are 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.080 paid to be cautious and drag the heels. That's exactly 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.600 what banking is going to do. What we want to 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.000 see is that there were three Hawks voting for another 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.480 rate hike last time, madness. 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