#557 - Katie - Host of Girls in Low Places on Country Music in the UK + Backlash From Viral Moment with Riley Green + Why She Flashed Tucker Wetmore + Industry Plants, Honky Tonks, The Spice Girls

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Speaker 1: That would be such a good storyline for the podcast though, Come on, Bailey, get me pregnant.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to five point fifty seven. This is Katie Akin. She is the host of the Girls in Low Places podcast and how this came together was I literally just came across to the content in my feed and I DM them and I was like, this is really funny. So Girls in Little Places they are based in London, and they are a country music podcast, but obviously it's a bit different because they're in London.

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Speaker 3: She's very British.

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Speaker 2: There were times I think, I don't know what was left in this episode, and I'm not even going to go and look and see what was left in. And at the end because her podcast partner and her friend who was with her is a lawyer, and we were like, well ask some of this stuff. You got a pull for sure. I don't know what was edited out. I would imagine not much, not a whole lot. There were times that I didn't quite know what she was saying because she's so British and they use different words than us. I say to her, I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying sometimes. But I had a lot of fun with this because she was a lot of fun. Did you know what a union jack was?

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Speaker 1: Did not know?

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Speaker 3: I learned a lot of words during this.

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Speaker 2: So I did know what a union jack was. And only because of Jerry Hallowell Ginger spices. That's the only reason I know what that sign is. It's like the British sign like that. It's on the flag, right.

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Speaker 1: It's on the flag.

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Speaker 3: I think it is the flag, isn't it. Yeah, now I'm confused. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But so yeah, we talked about country music. We talk about a whole lot of stuff, and I encourage you to check out their podcast, Girls in Low Places.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you the sea word gets used. Did we leave that in?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Oh we cut it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan's heavy, It's a lot. Dang, that's good.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing surrounding is a little what do you mean there's a lot of words used in that time. Okay, Well, like can we say this like I did a whole thing where I was like, I like it when British people say the sea word. I like one of American July say it's gross, but Bridge people make it sound funny and I was. And so we talked about that but Dan cutting room floor. Yeah, okay, up on my death really sick. Okay, yeah, I released all the things we've cut over.

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Speaker 3: Now we don't do that. Don't do that.

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Speaker 2: My estate will be soon surely. So this is Katie. We did this the day of the Cmas. Yeah, so when we talk a bit, that's the episode, just like two days ago. But check out the episode again. It's called Girls in Low Places. The instagram is at the Girls in Low Places and just go from there. Anything I'm leaving out, You're good, Okay, this is fine. Here she is Katie Akin, Katie, go to meet you.

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Speaker 1: I'm this is so surreal.

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Speaker 2: You were talking about like three things at once, but I said, don't say anything, so I don't even know what. So let's start with you were just about to talk about something. I said, stop, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What was it.

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Speaker 1: I find one of the hardest things about doing our podcast when like country stars come into the UK is that we just talk way too much before the podcast even begins, because we're like, hi, how are you, how was your trip? Did it and something brilliant some gold will come up and I'll be like, god, damn it, we're offline and I'm a yapper. I talk and you were just telling me, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost feels cold and rude because I will do it and I'll say no, say nothing because I don't want to waste anything.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Whenever Colby Cala came over and she lives around here and I know her, she was like, you know, you're kind of cold before an interview, and I was like, I don't want to wait. I don't want to waste anything. So the sooner we get down and talking, like the warmer I get.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like I felt like it's kind of like negging. Lots of people do that in the UK. Do you know what negging is? It's like when people are like mean to you at first, you like then want to win their approval, so you sort of then like give more.

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Speaker 3: What's called negging.

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Speaker 1: It's called negging.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So where do when you guys do your podcast, Like an artist come to you because I watched I've watched your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, do you have like a safe is.

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Speaker 1: It like a yes, we have a studio. Yeah, but obviously when an this is in town in London, they're there for like maybe like I don't know, two days, three days tops. They normally have a show on maybe two of the days. And I actually have also quite liked turning the podcast like more from just a podcast into more of an immersive satire experience. So sometimes, mainly with the female acts, I really like to get them in the studio. It feels like a really like girl coded yap and we can just talk and talk and talk about nice girly things. But I think with the guys it actually works to kind of like create turn it into more of a show, like make it something a play on on something that they have done, either a music video or like a wore a beard and dressed up as Isaac from forty nine Winchester Riley obviously Riley Green we did we went on a serial date and we recreated worse Way crawling off the table. So I kind of like the creativity of that now, like it's kind of spoofy, it feels like a little bit more country Music's Chicken Shop. That's kind of where we're going with it.

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Speaker 2: Are you finding it easier to get artists to come by now that you have some, because once you get like three or four, yeah, then you can go. We've had these and if you think you're too good, well they didn't, yes, and so people it's a lot easier once you get a fore.

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Speaker 1: You Yeah, it's it definitely has turned. We felt the tables turned. But I will say, and this is one of the reasons why I wanted to start a country music podcast in the UK, is that I kind of saw the gap that when country artists come over they actually do a press run. That kind of means you get better access quicker in the UK because there's not so many they really want to promote themselves in the UK. Everybody want seems to want to break the UK market from what I understand.

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Speaker 3: It is Europe in general.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so therefore they're more willing to do more press and I saw a gap that I was like, if we had something female focused, we might be able to get some really good guests pretty quick or like, you know, we were quite shocked by the level of guests that we could get from the jump because people want to celebrate country and want to build it up there and they know it's booming, so we just can't believe the level. But we've got to so quickly, like it's absolutely surreal.

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Speaker 2: I mean not some of my friends that will tour and go over, it's a what they like about it. And what's also difficult is it's an ego check for them because they will be doing amphitheaters or even arenas and they'll go there and the audience is much smaller. Yes, and so for them, a couple things happen. One, it reminds them of what it used to be like, which is oftentimes a good reset. Secondly, yeah, you kind of have to be nicer when everybody doesn't love you.

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Speaker 3: And so they go over and you know, it's kind of like a head game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where they go and they are not universally celebrated because people don't know them near as much as they do here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's also something that, like you say, the small crowds, small audiences. I think that's why in the UK there's this boom has actually like divided the hardcore long term country fans because we got to have the most incredible guests and we still do to us to a point because all the kind of tree is booming. It's nowhere near what it is here, but we used to be able to see a huge, huge artist who only plays arenas in a really small venue, and that kind of meant that now we have the new country fans coming in and that's changing and the arena's getting bigger all but there's loads of tickets being sold and we know no one could get a ticket anymore. Those old school country fans are really frustrated because they used to be able to see Luke Combs in like a three hundred person venue for twenty.

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Speaker 3: Quid, like the Originals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's just like any band here whenever you're like a day one er and they start to get popular and the people are like, no, I love them, like, but you didn't love them back when.

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Speaker 1: I used to. Oh yeah. Like we've had a whole thing about the Luke Holmebs Wembley tickets, Like people are saying only original fans should be able to get pre sale access. All these new fans can't come and enjoy Country, and I just hate that. Like that's something that we as a podcast like want to lead, Like we want to bring in the new fan. We want to get people to bigger, better venues. We want to have like our own mini Nashville in like Camden somewhere, like that's that's where we I see like country music going in the UK. It's huge, Like we are a rural, countryside place. We have so many things that align with country music. And I think that maybe when Americans think of the UK, people focus on London because you think the Queen, you think the fucking palace, you.

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Speaker 2: Think, don't give me too many What do I think of when I think of London, I think of, well, it's not a prince anymore, but Charles yeah King.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've kind of soured on that.

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Speaker 2: I don't I'm not a big royal family guy anyway, but I understand the need for them. Yeah, and I understand you guys' need for them because what a money generator that is. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm gonna go that. I'm gonna go soccer, just general soccer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ted Lasso comes up a lot.

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Speaker 2: Oh No, I wasn't thinking Ted last I was thinking like Premier League that airs at three in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, soccer, uh big bin yeah, football, big bin.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you're not thinking fish and chips, Fish and chips.

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Speaker 3: I've been to.

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Speaker 1: London, yeah, yeah, and like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know what I liked about it is that everything was like old and we in America were like, man, look at this building is from nineteen twelve.

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Speaker 3: This is old. And there's like just.

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Speaker 2: A random church or building from thirteen hundred that you guys just have just people are just chilling in it. Yeah, that to me was amazing because I'd never seen anything like that before. So the age and also for the most part, and I'm probably wrong, but for the most part, everything is wide and not tall. Yes, there are skyscrapers, like we're in a small part of London, yeah, I think right, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: It's not like boxed in like New York. Is very daunting to us. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that those buildings were so long and like the blocks were just it looked like one building that just rubbed into another like that to me was wid But I'm from a very rural town. It was the first time I'd ever been overseas, was when I went to London. That those are what I think of when I think of London.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we have amazing history oasis.

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Speaker 3: I don't think of London because they're not from London.

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Speaker 1: They're from Manchester. They're from Manchester, I don't know which.

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Speaker 2: To me feels like that feels like country, Like it's not rural, but not London.

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Speaker 1: Manchester is still the city. They're still they're still like city boys in a way, but I think that Manchester has more rural surroundings. The North is like would be known as a very rural place. When for Londoner to think of in the.

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Speaker 3: UK, where did you grow up in London?

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Speaker 1: So I'm from Surrey, so it's like south of London, but it's the countryside. It's like rolling hills. The Surrey Hills are very like famous for being beautiful. It's and you know, it's an hour from London on the train, but it's country as I think it's countries agains. I mean, I've lived in Devon, which is a very farming place, and that's where country folk and country it's it's everywhere, and I think it's just sort of starting to bleed into the cities a lot more that people are listening to the music and loving yet. But I just think we have so many parallels with that lifestyle and that's why people in the UK are trying to emulate it and they really identify with like it's the what's the word I'm looking for, Yeah, it's the country lifestyle. It's it's people wearing cowboy hats to Tesco. That's like our grocery store. Like people are doing things that you guys probably think are like cosplay, but we just we we want to feel it's it's escapism for us. I think there's something about that, you know, like how I mean I watch a lot of Bravo, right because I yes, we.

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Speaker 2: Were talking about it. I'm going to come back to this. Do you do your thing? I'm going to come back to that. Go ahead, mom, Momon wives. Yeah, so I would watch something like Mormon Wives. I watch a lot of housewives, but when they do Real Housewives in London, I'm like, I'm not that interested because we want that American escapism. It feels like it's something slightly detached, like when we see, for example, let's go Megan Ella and Riley drama, like that's like our soap opera that we're enjoying watching and it doesn't feel.

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Speaker 1: Like it actually affects our politics, what's going on our day to day. It takes us out of what we're doing. We can enjoy the music without the political things that you maybe have to think about. In terms of some artists doing this that the other like, we don't have to think about that particularly. We just kind of can enjoy the music for the music, and I think that's a part of the escapism that we just can get out of our day to day lives and I can listen to Morgan Wall and I can just be like, oh, Okay, I feel like I feel like I'm in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I would love it a lot more if I didn't live in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably very true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get very annoyed with it.

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Speaker 2: I have a love for it, but I get very annoyed with the two because I live in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then you see how I don't know if you guys have this term, but how the sausage is made.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you see how the sausage is.

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Speaker 3: Made, and then you know you're like, you know what the.

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Speaker 1: Magic is shining off? Okay, I never want to see how the sausage is made. Okay.

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Speaker 2: And there are artists who are awesome people, but there are some that are so celebrated that.

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Speaker 3: Are just dirt bags.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is so weird to see the dirt bags be celebrated as like the greatest people on earth when.

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Speaker 3: They're awful people and so but that ruin that runs.

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Speaker 2: Number one, No, no, no, no, but but but.

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Speaker 3: That is a thing. That's that's the thing for me that.

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Speaker 2: It makes it not as fun at times because you see the reality of what's behind it. And also too, there's like some of my friends are it's such a roll of the dice too in this town where people get really famous, really successful, and they're pretty good, and then you see some people that are freaking awesome. Like there's one person specifically it is the only I hope this is not an insult because when you said a term nagging, naggingigging, I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: What that was.

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Speaker 1: Nagging and nagging very different things.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys use industry plant? You know what that is? An industry plant?

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Speaker 1: I think, yes, it does happen a lot like the.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you do know what?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's one of those here that's making it and it drives me crazy because they're terrible and they have hits and I want to screen from the freaking top of the roofs this person sucks. They're not good, they can't sing, they have all these hits and it's only because they were specifically placed there by somebody that has the power to do it, so that really it turns me off a bit. Yeah, but I still have such a love even through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is quite the juxtaposition of like growing up and loving country music and then also hating the process. And also I've just fought with it too for so long because I'm not traditional.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm a freaking cardigan.

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Speaker 2: I don't want a cowboy hait. You know, you're like we cosplay and you walk in and I'm in a cardigan and khakis.

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Speaker 1: Look I nearly put my cowboy hat on, and I thought, I know what, I'm not going to do it because it seems dumb to do that in Nashville as a British person, to sit here on a point. I mean, it's up there, so I'm embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, you kind of need I think it works for you. Wait, so why country music for you? Did you grow up listening to it at all?

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Speaker 1: So? I think country music and musical theater have a really like and they have a lot of parallels. And I find that lots of people who like musical theater tend to like country music because it's very literal. It tells story. It's very emotional, it's connected. So I did some musical exist stuff when when I was younger, and then country music kind of just slid in. I had a really big love for Carry Underwood in like I don't know it. It was like I've loved Carried since American Idol. I just thought she was fantastic. And I think what's interesting in the UK is that when you find one artist that you like, you then now have so many capabilities to bleed into. You'll just hear something else somewhere else, and you'll be like, Okay, well I like Carrier, but this Calcivallerini sounds great, Like okay, I'll listen. And you listen to the albums from top to bottom. We don't get the hits. We don't get what's on the radio. We have great radio stations like Absolute and Smooth Country, but generally when you're listening to that music, you have to listen to it top the bottom. So that's why when artists come over, they are amazed that we know the B sides that we're singing along to every.

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Speaker 3: Because they're not the B sides, you guys, are just the side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we get to choose which one is our favorite song. We don't get told what is our favorite song, which I think means that that's got a real joy for the British listeners because it feels very personal to you of what you're choosing out, and those artists you feel very connected to because you're like, I chose that it wasn't spoonfed that I chose to listen to Morgan one is forty seven songs, whatever it is, you know, that's something that you pick out. And I think the artists really appreciate that. When they come over, they are just blown away by the dedication to the music that we will have and the fact that we are British and we tend to be quiet and listen to the songs like almost like as if it's like a recital.

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Speaker 3: And that culture is that music? Is that the culture for you guys at a concert?

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Speaker 1: No, not all concerts. So this is what's interesting, right. So in the UK, I would say country music wasn't cool and it was definitely an older crowd, that it was kind of a unmature crowd that was kind of pitched to like those radio stations that I just suggested, I'd say they have a slightly older listenership generally, but for the most part for a while. I think now that's changed, but I think so then the older crowd will go and they wanted to have a very peaceful and enjoyable, nice evening, and I'd oft and go and feel like I was like one of the youngest people in the room, but like it would be nice because it would be quiet, respectful and lovely like some people. It's not as you go to a gig and people wouldn't even dance, like Lady I went to a Lady Wilson gig and people didn't even move, Like how can you not move at a Lady Wilson gig. So when the crowd started to get a bit younger and a bit viber like, I loved it. I was like, thank god, I can feel like I'm actually in a honky tonk. I feel like I'm actually you know. It felt like a bit more like authentic to me that we weren't just standing there as if it was like an opera something. But again it's it's it's quite a divided place right now, the country fan because some people are going. I loved it when it was like that, I didn't want these drunk idiots having a good time. I wanted to listen to every beat and hear a pin drop. And then other people are saying, well, now I want to go and have a party. It's you know, who's a party person, who's a party artist? I can't blank. Yeah, I want to go and party to co artsle like I don't want to stand there next to you know my mum. So it's it's creating a bit of friction in the gig and the ticket space for sure.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been to a hockey talker Rowe?

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Speaker 1: I think I've been. I've been to the Nashville Palace. Is that honky Tonk? Is that Pope?

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Speaker 2: Anything in Nashville though, feels a bit cost play though.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well it's very Vegas on Broadway, like you got to do it, yeah, and you find just I mean we found ourselves two nights in a row down there. We didn't even choose to. But you just you get sucked in. You have to surrender and you love it. As a British we we love that. But like it is cool because like we have a videographer who we who like I met when I first came to CMA first here when we have We're a Baby podcast, and I just said, we just need to do man on the street stuff anything, talked to all the drunk people and get just any content. And he took me around like some cool places in East Nashville, and I kind of like got to see another side that felt so much more authentic.

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Speaker 2: Have you been to any more any other states just in general in America?

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Speaker 1: New York?

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Speaker 3: No, not, They're bad.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to be a honky tnk honky talk aboutist. I really want to go to Austin. Actually I know that you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Austin's great, like but like Oklahoma, Arkansas, there's no reason for you to go.

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Speaker 3: But if you do go, that's where that's.

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Speaker 2: Where the honky honky honky tonks are. That's a lot of used to the word honkey. I'll be honest with you. I don't know if you guys have that word over there.

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Speaker 1: And what do they say. They say that's more honk and less tongue or something they say.

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Speaker 3: I don't know they are, I've not said that, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Growing up, we had the Electric Cowboy in Arkansas, uh huh, and a lot of honkey talks. Pull the real ones sprinkle in like nineties or two thousands since hip hop. Yeah right, okay, the ones that are like trying to be fake honky tonks really do the extra honk as you'd say.

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Speaker 1: Extra honk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, even when I went to the Nashville Palace, like, I was so shocked that they were all line dancing to like to the left, to the left, to the right, and I was like, oh, take this desk a church. I really hope you don't put that in. That is I just knew that. But yeah, that that's like I mean, I think that's also why all the hip hop is all sort of like bleeding in to the country stuff now and is doing so well. I mean, absolutely love it.

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Speaker 3: So you watch Mormon Wives?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I watch one.

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Speaker 3: I have a question, so.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be completely up to date, but I definitely all the.

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Speaker 2: Key players great because I don't and I watch Dancing with the Stars. Oh and so they kicked off the Mormon wife girl.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Now I didn't watch Mormon Wives, but I found her to be likable on Dancing with the Stars.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, that I know the one you mean, And she's not likable on Mormon wise.

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Speaker 2: That was what I was so confused about, because people were acting like she was a villain.

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Speaker 3: I don't know her from Mormon Wives at all. What's her?

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Speaker 1: What's she like on the Mormon show? She like kind of she has a real thing for the lead girl, you know, the guy who's going to be on the Bachelor these names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna be the Bachelor at.

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Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, yeah, she's She was kind of like isolated. Time was very I think she was very shameful because the lead girl on Mormon Wives she was doing swinging, right, She's like soft cheating.

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Speaker 3: What it was soft?

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Speaker 1: I mean just keys in a bowl. Let's go like, you're you're cheating, you're swinging whatever. She was doing some explorative stuff, which is obviously shameful in the Mormon community to a point, but apparently it happens a lot. Actually, I don't know. The real Housewives of Salt Lake City have been suggesting that it's actually happening a lot more. I think Whitney and Bromwyn had a really big conversation about swinging this week. But anyway, I.

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Speaker 3: Died Whitney's the one is the one we're talking about?

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Speaker 1: No, so there's another confusing there's a Whitney on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and there's a Whitney on Mormon Wives. I think is the one that.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about. I think is her name?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but she was very slut shamey. I'd say, maybe that's a bit strong slut shamey of the lead girl. The lead's the main central girl, and I think that then she kind of like was pitting everyone against her. Then it turned out that like her husband was addicted to pawn, so like it was kind of like hypocritical that she was being so because he was having some extramarital things going on. So it was kind of like, don't project your insecurities on another woman, and it kind of just I think that's that was my take on it. But she generally is just a bit insecure.

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Speaker 3: I think I understand a bit. Then white people didn't like her.

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Speaker 2: I liked her just fine because I didn't know how that show painted her. Yeah, as you know, those shows find your need and then just totally paint you in the character development.

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Speaker 1: I think she was a little self righteous, and then it turned out, like you know, the call was coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 2: To be self righteous though as a Mormon, Like they can dance, like generally religion that dances the best Mormons.

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Speaker 1: Really, why is that?

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Speaker 3: Because I think they can't have sex.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so they can they do it with like a barrier. I think pants are the ultimate condom.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. So you think that like ballroom dancing is like their way of getting off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's true.

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Speaker 2: But I did dance, and they're but all those dancers, they're all Mormon. Most of them are Mormon guys and girls, and so they were so good at it. Yeah, And so I came up with that conclusion myself.

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Speaker 1: I saw that you've I mean, if you want to.

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Speaker 3: Go about that, I'll talk about whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: I saw that you have sent back your trophy. I did so told me through that what's happened? You said? They've been saying things about Yes.

00:23:20
Speaker 2: A good interviewer here, Katie. I haven't really talked about this at length, so I'm happy. So I did the show six or seven years ago, and I think I was not misquoted, but I think what I said was misinterpreted. When I said I'd never wanted to do the show. What I had meant, hopefully in that clip, was I never wanted to do the show. It wasn't I didn't want to do the show. I just never wanted. My desire was never to do Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, And so I was working for the network doing a different show, and they said, go on Dancing with the Stars. You'll last four weeks, You'll be kicked off. You have no experience, nobody that has no experience. And also, I was, isn't as famous as some other people.

00:24:02
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not.

00:24:03
Speaker 2: I'm like regionally known in rural areas. Like there's a difference between that and fame, and so I like that I'm regionally That's just what. So they said, go on the show, all things considered, like we need you back on American Idol, so we'll see in four weeks you'll probably get kicked off. So I'm like, great, I go over to the show again. I don't think i'd ever watched a full episode. I'd kept up with it as far as like it was a cultural thing, so like I would see like clips and stuff I wasn't anti Dancing with the Stars.

00:24:30
Speaker 3: I just never watched it.

00:24:31
Speaker 1: No, you're not like you know, you're a stand Yeah.

00:24:34
Speaker 2: So it wasn't negative, wasn't positive, but I thought I'll do it. And they paid me like one thousand or something to do for just the intro.

00:24:42
Speaker 1: For just being on the show'd be really helpful. Right now, I'll go out in week one.

00:24:47
Speaker 2: Well, well, you have to last at least two weeks because nobody gets kicked off week one.

00:24:51
Speaker 1: Wait, you don't get anybody if you get kicked off on No, you do.

00:24:53
Speaker 2: But you get paid. You're just on for two weeks regardless. Nobody gets kicked off week one. It's like dancing communism. Everybody is the same, nobody goes home. So I do the show, and I was so fish out of water on that show. Never had danced. I didn't know what an eight count was because I have no And most people in any sort of performance have done some sort of training. Even if you're like a Broadway actor, You've you've done some sort You've done a box step.

00:25:25
Speaker 3: Yes, and my partner at the time, I don't know what a box step is? Now? Is that a four?

00:25:28
Speaker 2: Come on?

00:25:29
Speaker 1: You know? What a box.

00:25:31
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know what that's called.

00:25:33
Speaker 1: You've won dancing with this, you know, maybe you should have said.

00:25:35
Speaker 3: This, Yeah, maybe they deserve to have it. I don't know what a box.

00:25:40
Speaker 2: So my partner had been a finalist multiple times, she had never won, and I think I know she was.

00:25:45
Speaker 1: Oh so she was like hungry, she was like ready to win.

00:25:49
Speaker 3: She deserved to have a good partner.

00:25:50
Speaker 2: And I know that when she got me, or I feel when she got me, she was like, oh my god, not because who I was, not because like me as a person, I'm fine in a work hard But I had no clue, like she was having to start from negative, and so did the show.

00:26:04
Speaker 3: I had no idea because they don't tell you week to week.

00:26:07
Speaker 2: There's like a federal law because of a quiz show that you know, way back in like the maybe the sixties. When there's money involved in the show, you can show no favoritism to any contestant. You can't cut somebody because you just don't want them on the show, like it has to be done by the book. So, but they also wouldn't tell us where we were finishing each week. All I know is I was never in the bottom three, and so the show happened, and I just kept on it, kept living. Every week I was not in the bottom three, I'd skate by with sevens and eights and finals come and I win, and I'm like, holy crap. And it was the first like non at least middle to great dancer that won the show.

00:26:45
Speaker 3: That was me. I won by far because of fan vote.

00:26:49
Speaker 2: So we'll finish the show and every year around October, just in whatever algorithm it is, I just get trashed by that audience because they're like, we can't have another Bobby Bygone sucks.

00:27:03
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything except win the freaking show.

00:27:05
Speaker 2: And so I just get for like a month because this year it was Andy Richter who was on the show, and they were like, if we have another Bobby.

00:27:11
Speaker 3: Last year it was somebody.

00:27:13
Speaker 2: So I've now been the person that is associated with somebody who sucks.

00:27:17
Speaker 1: But it's okay. So let me just get this super literal. So you were a great sort of cost member personality who could dance pretty well, worked really hard, and it's one like the best amazing dancer ever. But you kind of like won people over throughout the time, and then you won and it was great. Yes, but you feel you feel that other people feel that there were stronger dances that year.

00:27:39
Speaker 3: We know there were stronger to every dancer, right, stronger, But.

00:27:41
Speaker 1: You were slow, steady and won the audience over and it was good and you won, and there we go.

00:27:45
Speaker 2: Yes, but now I've been the what a bad dancer is because I won.

00:27:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's you.

00:27:50
Speaker 2: There were worst dancers on my season than me, but I won. So now it's often when someone lasts for a long time, they compared them to me, and it's every year, it's every dight in whatever.

00:28:00
Speaker 3: I don't care. Fine. I had surgery on my foot, so I was.

00:28:03
Speaker 2: I was on paint pills and I love Tom bergeron the old Host, and he was saying some things and it was reflective of me in a negative way, and I was like, a, feelings are hurt. So I meld a mirrball back and I was, it's a little dramatic. I was on paint pills, and I thought, if I'm gonna get on say this, I should at least show it, just not be a video.

00:28:23
Speaker 3: I'll just send the trophy back.

00:28:24
Speaker 2: And so I send the trophy back is a gesture, like you guys don't want me to be there. Here's a trophy. But I love my time on the show. I loved everybody associated with the show. The network has reached out to me and said, hey, sorry about that.

00:28:34
Speaker 1: Have you heard from anyone?

00:28:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few days ago.

00:28:38
Speaker 2: Oh, get the receipts I can read to you. Oh my, I've not talked about it this yet.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: It's not nice to be the scapegoat for someone else's agenda. I feel like we sometimes get a little bit of that because we're pushing the envelope with our interviews. I get I get a lot of heat from things like that, so I can relate.

00:28:56
Speaker 2: And I get heat a lot for saying things. But I'm okay with that because I said it it. Yeah, this is I've now been the guy that represents everybody the thing, and I rewatched all my dances for the first time ever and did a whole series that had nothing to do with this and actually wasn't that bad. But I just believed that was so bad because the Internet had told me I was so bad for so long. This is I won't say who this is, but this is an high executive saw your post. I'm broken hearted, and I said it's okay. I'm a feeling started. I was also on pain pills and they said, I'm not sure why Tom did that, and I said, yeah, and you know that sucked. He isn't even on the show anymore, and it's so disappointing on his part. I can speak for the show and the network.

00:29:38
Speaker 3: We all love you.

00:29:39
Speaker 2: We loved your time on the show. Clearly America loved you as well. Don't listen to people trying to get their ten minutes. And then there was some other network stuff, so they reached out and they were like, hey, I don't know, I don't know who opens that that trophy and gets it as like, what is this in the mail?

00:29:53
Speaker 1: I like the your reactive though you like me, someone hurts me, I'm doing something back. But interesting that you say that, is that like they're getting their ten minutes like when I So we're most known probably for when I crawled across the table to Riley green Wright and there was like ten people in the in the room, his team in London, his team from Nashville, like some of my producer, everything like that. So everyone everything was above board. I'd interviewed him before. His managers followed like us from day one. He liked what I did and knew we were going to get some good personality out of him and talk about the music. And we then had i'd say like three or four people interview Riley after that went out and said, you know, well known publications and well known things in the UK, saying did you feel uncomfortable when she did that? Did you feel uncomfortable? How did you feel if a woman did that? Sorry, if a man did that, it would be completely different. Thank Yeah, yeah, yeah, it not obviously realized. Well, just kind of like leading the audience. And it's such a strange thing to do for a one interviewer to talk about another interview right journalistically, like it feels weird, and I just thought, like, why why are they doing that? They try to get story.

00:31:02
Speaker 3: Once it hits a certain amount of streams, you're now the story. Yeah, so that's the story. I've become the story.

00:31:08
Speaker 2: A bunch of times, I just had a conversation with somebody about something similar because they had done something that had gone viral and they were feeling a lot of negativity from the thing that went viral.

00:31:19
Speaker 3: But what had gone viral was not negative at all. But what I had.

00:31:22
Speaker 2: Described to this person was imagine you're standing on the floor, but you're standing on a pedestal that's on the floor. It's not lifted yet, and there are twenty people that can see you because you're ground level, and there may be three of them that think you're an idiot, for others twenty. Now it's not that loud when three people are telling you you're an idiot, when you have seventeen that are being quiet or enjoying you. Now imagine the pedestal goes up ten feet. Well, now like one hundred people can see you, and now you've got fourteen to fifteen people that are saying you're an idiot. Well, that feels a little louder. Even though the percentage of people that don't like you is not anymore, it does seem a bit louder. Now imagine you boost that thing up times ten and you've got a million people. Well, you're gonna have one hundred people that think you're an idiot, and they're going to come at you, and you're going to feel like I'm very hated, and actually you're not. You have ninety nine thousand people that love you, but they don't.

00:32:09
Speaker 3: Really speak they just push the heart button.

00:32:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you're not actually getting more disliked because you're getting more famous. You just have that same percentage of idiots that grows because the same the percentage of people are growing.

00:32:24
Speaker 3: So that's what happened to you. You became the story.

00:32:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I needed that. You just became my therapist. It's been really weird because I thought I'm quite thick skinned, like I'm not like you know, nineteen. I thought like I've worked in sort of different industries and I was like, I'm going to be fine with this sort of trolling and the backlash and stuff like that. But it hurts and it's not something I expected when you are trying to be comedic or like trying to like entertain people that they can come for you in that way. And I think because we are British, humor meets you know, Nashville Guy is a lot of what we do. It It provokes people in different ways and I'm happy with that because it means we're doing something right, like we're entertaining. We're a different interview. There's definitely space for a legendary interview, but there's space for this new kind of interview that is something else and you know that's been proved with as I say, chicken Shop, call her Daddy. Like there is different ways of doing things and there's an audience for it, and it's great because it brings out the personality of the artists in a completely different way. But it's there's there's some things I've I've figured like from doing this, like we've only been doing it like eighteen months, like we're still baby, but like lots of things look different than what I thought they would look from where we're at now. Lots of things look better that I didn't expect would look better, and lots of things are like they're like painful as like you know, as an individual and also as it being like my heart and soul, my baby that I've created. Like so I think also something that's really like struck me as like how many people when they see you doing something good on a bigger platform or go and try and take it and do it themselves and they can't quite do it because they don't have that magical that like sort of like you know, they try and replicate something that you're about. I find that like bonkers to me. I never thought that would happen, that people would see something good and go Okay, I'm gonna like in a bigger way. Like that's like and also being on camera every week, do you find it like exhausting to be just filmed all the time? Because I thought, I'm you know, I've got a few narcissistic qualities. I'll be absolutely fine with it, but I find it really quite draining.

00:34:21
Speaker 3: I find I don't get as tired of it because I don't watch it back.

00:34:25
Speaker 1: Editing.

00:34:26
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're yeah, well you'll get rich like me, and you don't have to do your own editing because one day I used to have to my own editing one day.

00:34:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I don't watch it.

00:34:35
Speaker 1: I don't look you don't just don't look at it. That's a great way of thinking about Yeah, I'm like, I'm constantly watching it back being like, oh my god.

00:34:42
Speaker 2: Oh I could see where you can easily pick yourself apart if you're editing.

00:34:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god.

00:34:46
Speaker 2: I Also it's like you you almost have to lose the vanity part of it, especially with anything that's comedic.

00:34:53
Speaker 1: I was also really worried about this today because obviously we're filming this on CMA day. Right, So I've got my hair done. We just had Tuckle wet More got a blow dry. Lovely, how kind of him, Tucker wet More, he got a blow dry ready for he got some blowy.

00:35:08
Speaker 3: I wonder if we're a blow dryer.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: I wonder if hen I can return the favor one day. Oh going to use that gug later to him. So but yeah, you know he he yes, a blow dry, blow out, blowy then or you guys did it? No, he didn't. He wasn't blow drying my hair.

00:35:25
Speaker 3: Out, but he paid for Did he pay for you to go and get it done?

00:35:28
Speaker 1: Yes, well his PR team did. But yes, he's doing that today. Yes, so yes, so because it's the blonde and the brunettes finding it Ali Brunette. So you know, I got my hair blow dried up. But then I was like, I don't want to look like like I come on here like a drag queen looking crazy for your thing. But then I've also got to go and sit on like I'm going on the red cover with a Union Jack Mini spice girl dress. I got to stand out there.

00:35:50
Speaker 3: So that's that's what I think of Ginger Spice.

00:35:54
Speaker 1: That's the I'm doing Ginger Spice.

00:35:56
Speaker 3: I just watched a TikTok of is it terrible? I didn't like it.

00:36:00
Speaker 2: For the record, I didn't push like, but I was entertained and it was like this dude was ranking all the Spice girls how hot they are?

00:36:07
Speaker 3: Now terrible, that is terrible. I watch it.

00:36:11
Speaker 1: I still watch it.

00:36:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I watched it all. But we would probably.

00:36:13
Speaker 1: Sit here and do it. But we don't pit women against each other.

00:36:15
Speaker 2: But they never showed Ginger. They were like, she's number one, but they never showed her.

00:36:19
Speaker 1: See I was talking to I was talking to cassieashing about this the other day. Right when we were younger, I think all the girls wanted to be Baby Spice, and when we're older, we're like, no, Ginger Spice was it? Like Ginger was cool, mouthy, sexy, hot, and we all just wanted to be Baby Spice.

00:36:32
Speaker 3: Baby Spice is still kind of killing.

00:36:34
Speaker 1: It though, right Radio Center on, Yeah, Emma Bunton, Yeah, yeah, she is killing it.

00:36:40
Speaker 3: Do people like Victoria? Is she well liked or she just famous?

00:36:45
Speaker 1: She is a national treasure, an icon. I think people fall in and out of love with the Beckhams all the time. I think that they're so famous that they can't be human. No, I think she actually humulizes that. She's actually very, very funny, So I think she humanized herself. Well, I think that they are like British Royalty in their own way. You know that they're amazing, but like you know, I think she's amazing. I hear things about him that I don't know. I don't know.

00:37:13
Speaker 3: Have you seen him in a person?

00:37:14
Speaker 1: Yes? Is he strikingly good looking? I think he's had too much filler? Yeah, sorry, David, I.

00:37:20
Speaker 2: Know I can see it because I think that's general, Like Jen Pop in performance, everybody wants to keep up and so they can look right on camera and they look.

00:37:30
Speaker 1: Well, you've seen like Bradley Cooper.

00:37:32
Speaker 3: Haven't I seen him a person?

00:37:33
Speaker 1: He's it's well, he had a chin job very early on the day. If you go back and watch Sex and City, you know he's in Sexton City. He has an episode with Sarah Jaxa Parker where he's like playing some young guy that she's like running around with the clubs with, and his chin is so different to when you see him in like The Hangover, like ten years later. He had a chin job early in the game. But now he's gone too far with the filler.

00:37:50
Speaker 2: Have you seen him a person in real life? No, but I just have seen the contrast of him.

00:37:54
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures recently. Actually know I have seen him a person. Once in the very in Chiltern Firehouse, very it up, dimly lit.

00:38:01
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, that's a restaurant.

00:38:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like kind of like a soher house. He kind of very like you always see celebrities. Now, I don't know what the hell I was doing there. I was probably lost, but I yeah, I saw him.

00:38:11
Speaker 3: And people think you're famous. Now do you get that at all?

00:38:14
Speaker 1: I think if I answer this question, everyone will rinse me back. You're like, that's absolutely fine. No, I would say, I can't even look at you straight. My best friend of who I created the podcast with, is here in the room with me, and I can't even answer this question looking at her. I think in the country scene we're very well known. In any other scene, I'm an absolute nobody, but the country scene is is poppin', and so.

00:38:41
Speaker 2: Its fractional fame in general. I think, now, no, it's hard to be ubiquitous. Yeah, it's hard to be just famous. But you can own an area.

00:38:51
Speaker 1: That's the craziest thing is that, like I've when we've come here, I haven't come back since the like since the podcast has been like a thing thing, and we've come back. I got recognized on the plane. I've got recognized like so many people places here. I'm more famous here than I am in the UK. And I'm like, what the hell is that? Because a half of our audience is Nashville. Because I think that you guys want to see a British girl interviewing these stars in a completely different way. I think that's kind of like an interesting like what. I think it was harder when we started because when we started the podcast, it was me and Ozzie, who's in the room today. We kind of like sat on the sofa just shooting the shit. And I think that was less interesting to an American audience because they don't want to hear two British girls talk about country music so much because you're like, you don't know what you're talking about, Like you don't live here, you don't breathe it. But I think as I've now got more guest focused, I think that's interested. It piqued the interest of the American audience a lot more because they want to see that sort of like very strange interview they've never seen before. But do you know how the podcast started? Why it started?

00:39:49
Speaker 3: Of course I do, but tell everybody else how it started.

00:39:52
Speaker 1: So basically I was getting married as engaged to a lovely, lovely guy. Still love him very dearly. But we live in a sort of farming community community called Devon. It's beautiful if you ever get the chance to go, go and I we were getting married in the June and I went on my hendu, which is a bachelorette which someone thought I was saying Hindu. Yeah, someone thought I was saying Hindu yesterday, like the religion.

00:40:14
Speaker 3: And that's what I would have thought too, Like didn't.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: Really say hendukh like gnd o.

00:40:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's two words hen do, got it? Yeah? So I was like, I want to go to Nashville, like I love country music. Great, let's go up before fantastic. So I come here. I do it all. I do the buses down Broadway. We are the.

00:40:38
Speaker 3: Right, Like if you did it right?

00:40:39
Speaker 1: No, but you know I can tell you something, you know that guy in I don't know if this was all a lie. Sometimes I think, was it all like you know that guy who's in Star is Born, who's that's called Sam? No? Sam?

00:40:53
Speaker 3: Sam Elliott?

00:40:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Sam Elliott's love child that he apparently doesn't acknowledge that he he had is a dude. And he was like chatting me up and like being all.

00:41:05
Speaker 3: Like that, and so I was like, pie, no chance.

00:41:07
Speaker 1: Do you think that's no chance? You think I've been done? Yeah? Have I been had?

00:41:11
Speaker 3: No chance?

00:41:12
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:41:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no chance. Anyway, that's funny.

00:41:16
Speaker 1: Anyway he was. He was flown away with me. There was a few crazy things going on, but generally nothing, nothing untoward happened. I went home and everyone was like who do you have sex with? Who do you have sex with? What happened? But nothing happened. I just came here and I realized, oh my god, I have something else to do in my life, and I don't think I can do it in a tiny farming town in Devon. And its suddenly lots of other things just like came to my realization that I was like, I'm gonna call this wedding off. So I went home. What Yeah, Nashville broke me. So I went home, called off the wedding. It was heartbreaking, and then I I was in a flummox, as you would be right, and I was like, I've got to have something positive and I've got to work in country music in some way if I if I'm gonna do this, I've got to make it work. And so I just went to my friend Ozzie, who we've always talked about country music and like girl group chats. I said, look, I think there's a gap. We don't seem to We have a lot of like legendary media talking to us in a very normal way. There's not many female presenters, Like why don't we just start country music podcasts and see what happens. And I think Ozzie looked at me and was just like, I'm just gonna entertain this because she's obviously going through something. I will sit and talk with her, and this is gonna go nowhere. We might get the old free gig ticket. Like that was it. And I have just ever since really been like a dog with a bone. It's been a passion project. It's been a project out of heartbreak and it just started working and we just got an amazing response straight away with the guests. We started to be able to go and see get the response from the girls in the UK who were like finally a voice for women in the UK, and it's just gone absolutely nuts and here we are and I'm blown up behind you. It's just it's absolutely bananas. But it just shows I think that if you I mean, I'm thirty five, I'm not a young spring chicken. Like the fact that I'm known as kind of like the crazy new hot young moment just call myself hof the crazy like new thing, young thing and I'm thirty five shows you how old the market was really in the UK, even like five years ago for country music. Like I'm kind of known as like crazy young thing and it's like that should you know, most other places that would have Persson would have to be like twenty.

00:43:18
Speaker 3: One or something.

00:43:19
Speaker 1: So the fact that like you can do something at I was, you know, thirty three, about to be engaged, living in the country, was going to have kids next year, and I went, no, and you can do it and it can happen. I just say to everyone, like, if you've got that passion project or you've got something you see in my gap in the market for just go for it. Just go for it. It might flop. Who cares?

00:43:37
Speaker 3: Are you making money? Now?

00:43:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've started, We've got like an agent. Things are happening. But we definitely think that Like the sweet spot for our podcast is actually brands in America who want to break the UK market. Like that's the sweet spot for people reaching the right audience for us. Like there's brands in the UK who do great things and like you know, we work with the Yetty a lot. We're working with Dolly Wines like things like that. But I think any brand that wants to break the UK market that has a kind of Western feel to it, or even just as like an American like you know when high Noon Henun just launched in the UK like last year, Like you know, Russell has the song with the Hei Noon in the line everyone like who's a country family? Like, oh I have a Hi Noon now, Like that's the perfect sort of thing for how we hit both markets.

00:44:25
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the Bobby Cast.

00:44:39
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite all time country artists?

00:44:43
Speaker 1: I'm very excited if I get to talk to Kelsey Ballerini tonight, Like I really like the fact that she's opened up the conversation for women about the questioning of whether you know she should be having kids right now or whether she should focus on her career. Very coded to what I just explained about me calling off my life and doing this. Like. I love the conversations that she opens. I mean, she's probably one of my favorites to listen to. We were listening to Subject to Change this morning when we were trying to get out of our Broadway hangover, being like, you know, I'm up, I'm down. I'm subject to change. You know, if you're going down, I'm going down too. We also said that to each other today when we looked at each other, going girl, if this goes badly today on the carpet, if you go down, I'm going down to. So I do love Kelsey to interview, though I'm trying to think who I would love to interview, who I haven't interviewed already. I really like that Morgan Wallen does lean into the dry humor interviews, like he's done that stuff with like THEO and stuff like that. I do like that. I really want to get Bailey Zimmerman. I think me and Bailey Zimmerman in a room could be crazy. There could be backflips. We could swing in on ropes, you know, we'd just drive off into the distance in one of his massive four by fours.

00:45:50
Speaker 3: He just buy a Lamborghini.

00:45:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that, Josh Ross. You did Josh Ross the other day and Josh Ross told me that he would Bailey would pick a car over a girl anytime.

00:45:59
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bailey is like my favorite person really person like like people. Yes really, Yeah, we just grew up very similar and so like I kind of get it, and so yeah, I love Bailey. If Bailey went to jail, hopefully he would call me, like it's one of those where I'll be like, I'll come get you and we'll fix it.

00:46:23
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be calling me, he'd be sat next to me in the cell.

00:46:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll like Bailey alive. That's probably you guys together by.

00:46:30
Speaker 1: Too much though, Like someone someone would be in jail, someone would die.

00:46:36
Speaker 2: It'd be a lot because he has that energy all the time. Yeah, he's a great, great, great kid. Yeah, just I have what I just beat into him is do not getting very pregnant?

00:46:46
Speaker 1: Yes, do not?

00:46:49
Speaker 2: I will especially Katie did not get Katie pregnant, So hey, what's up now?

00:46:54
Speaker 1: That would be such a good storyline for the podcast. Though, come on, Bailey, get me pregnant.

00:47:00
Speaker 2: So you and this this Sam Elliot guy, you didn't do anything.

00:47:04
Speaker 1: No, no, I think he was like married or something. Nothing. He was just blurting away, being annoying, being silly.

00:47:09
Speaker 2: And n his his line to come on to you as Sam Elliot's love child and he doesn't know about it. Yes, And I was like, oh my, do you think actually Sam Elliott's love child use that as a line?

00:47:18
Speaker 1: Does some aliet I have a love child?

00:47:20
Speaker 3: I don't know.

00:47:21
Speaker 1: I don't know, not one, he acknowledges anyway. But no, yeah, yeah, he used that as a line one hundred percent. But I like you. You see a girl, a British girl in a veil in Nashville. It was crazy, you know, you get a lot. Yeah, it was crazy, But it wasn't about that. It was honestly, hand on hert. It wasn't about that. It was about me going. You just know, it's a gut feel and it's funny when you do a project. I'm sure you know this all the time, Like when you do something that doesn't fit and doesn't feel right or doesn't it doesn't work it just doesn't work. When something works, all the doors start going yes because you're on the right path, Like something in the universe was telling me you got to do this, And since we started it, it's just gone yes, yes, yeah, yes, yes yes. I mean we were at the backstage of the opera last night and I was just crying if we were taking intens to cry, like it's just like it can't we can't believe we've got to where we've got to. It just feels like magic's in the air for this podcast and this time and country booming and just yeah, everything it's nice, Like Carrie love Carrie. Yeah, we'd love to interview Carrie. She apparently she's a hoot.

00:48:21
Speaker 2: I think Carrie gets a raw deal on the internet because she's very shy until she's on a microphone and then she's great. Yeah, but you know you'll see things like Carrie was at the mall and she wasn't nice. I've never known Carrie to not be nice, but I have known Carrie to be extremely introverted. And I think I'm extremely introverted. Like when I'm not on, I'm not on, and there are people be like, man, what a dick and that's not the case. I feel like nobody really wants me to talk, so I don't talk.

00:48:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:48:53
Speaker 2: I think Carrie is the victim of that sometimes where people will say, well I saw her.

00:48:57
Speaker 3: And she was not super nice anxiety she is, She's awesome. Yeah, yeah, so's.

00:49:03
Speaker 1: It's so tiring to be like from the small, small bit of like people knowing who we are in the UK when I go to a gig, it's not like I go to a gig and I sit down and enjoy it. And I sometimes think to myself, I ruined every country gig in the UK for the rest of my life because I can't just go. If someone says, hey, oh my god, girls are the places, I am like, hi, how are you?

00:49:22
Speaker 5: Like?

00:49:22
Speaker 1: I really want to be lovely to everyone because of that fear, and it means that you can really run your energy into a ground. Especially I feel like because we lead with chaos optically because that's what we want to do.

00:49:35
Speaker 3: People probably expect it from you all the time.

00:49:37
Speaker 1: Yes, but also it means that like we were like, you know, we can't get nuber. Today it was a little bit difficult because it's SMA Day and we're like ten minutes late, and I'm thinking, oh, God, like I don't want to look like because we promote chaos. I always want to be on time early, like ready to go super professional, because like half our brand is chaos. But I also want to be that person who's respectful and time. So it means that like, I can run myself into the ground of losing energy around an event even before I've even interviewed anyone like, and I find that's really tiring because as a people pleaser, and you just want to, yeah, especially in the start something, you want to like everyone to like you. And I think I need to maybe just be a little bit because I can get really tired before I'm even going to go on that carpet tonight, because I just want everyone to be like they're doing something good and then they're respectful and nice and and I'm sure that happens with I can't imagine the fame on that level of Carrie, of how much anxiety that would feel feed into and then.

00:50:33
Speaker 3: You'd well, then you just don't go out.

00:50:34
Speaker 1: Right or she'd like be super the anxiety blars up more of people saying I'm mean to everyone, God, how am I acting? What am I doing. If I'm looking mean now, if I've got a mean, resting bitch face, like what's going on? You would just spin in your own head. It must be awful.

00:50:47
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I mean it's the house that she built. I think she handles it well. But she if you do read those stories, I find them and be wholly inaccurate about her. I think she's great, and it's not like her and I have this crazy close relationship, but we have spent a little time together outside of just this type of environment.

00:51:06
Speaker 3: But there's some really great people.

00:51:08
Speaker 2: When I moved here, I thought, I don't want to be friends with anybody because I want to not have biased when talking about situation.

00:51:13
Speaker 3: I really avoided that.

00:51:15
Speaker 1: Oh so you don't friends that you don't make friends with these.

00:51:17
Speaker 3: I do now because they're just great people. There's some great people.

00:51:21
Speaker 2: But forever I my goal was to make no friends so I could talk bad about people and it.

00:51:25
Speaker 3: Wasn't just talk bad.

00:51:26
Speaker 2: But I didn't want to not I didn't want to like pull punches. Do you have that the other phrase pull punches?

00:51:31
Speaker 1: Pull punches?

00:51:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:51:32
Speaker 2: I didn't want to like not go at something that I wanted to go at. Because I had a personal relationship with you. But then there were people that I would meet and I would go, oh, they're just awesome. Why am I keeping myself from that relationship?

00:51:46
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:51:46
Speaker 2: One of my best friends is Brett Eldridge, Like he's like, you know, my guy, Derek's Bentley excellent.

00:51:54
Speaker 3: Like, there's some really great people.

00:51:55
Speaker 2: So when I led this one was like, there's some terrible people there are, but there are also some really one or for people here, it's it's it's a little bizarre though, because you never know, especially here with a new art or just people in the industry. With me, I never know what they want from me. Oh okay, like do they want to be on the podcast? Do they want to be on the radio show? Do they want me to you know?

00:52:13
Speaker 1: So there's always do you want to like sort of like tread I.

00:52:18
Speaker 2: Don't tread it all. There's a there's a big barrier. Yeah no no no new friends, Yeah no new friends?

00:52:23
Speaker 1: No not really.

00:52:24
Speaker 3: I'm good now, Yeah, I'm full up.

00:52:26
Speaker 1: I feel like I just don't want to be that girl who's like hanging on or like that like that like you know that greepeak and tell.

00:52:31
Speaker 3: Us that you get to enjoy it with excitement because you're not here. That's cool.

00:52:35
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm a baby, But that's super.

00:52:36
Speaker 2: Fun that you get to like just enjoy it for what it's supposed to be, awesome entertainment.

00:52:41
Speaker 1: That's what I love most about. Like, ultimately, I'm a fan girl, like and we get to do that with our podcast, Like we get to do the cool, fun media interview, but we also get to do it from the pov of like we're just I'm just a man girl who's like excited to be here, and we get to like play both sides of that coin, which I think is what podcasting does so interestingly like and is why it's you know, it feels relatable in a way that the traditional interview or traditional radio maybe didn't feel, or it did to a certain point, but the podcasting opens something completely different.

00:53:10
Speaker 2: A long form allows much more Intimacyeah, yes, that's super cool.

00:53:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, how long do you guys? How long are you here?

00:53:19
Speaker 1: I haven't actually booked my flight home yet.

00:53:21
Speaker 2: Oh so you're staying you're looking for Sam Elliott's love child again, You're you're here to you're on the search?

00:53:28
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean I look, I would love to would you move here. It's interesting that one, because I obviously everyone's dream in the UK who's a country founder is to move to Nashville. Like that's like a pipe dream for everyone. I don't know if this market would like I think it's I found it quite intense. I'm such a fan that like to be doing some of the things are doing is crazy and I don't know if I would lose my marbles living here. I quite like the groundedness of the British market because they, you know, they slapped me back down and say get back to reality, you with some dry humor whatever. It is, like, it's kind of it's kind of the charm and I think, like we've got such a good thing going on in the UK. But I think I might be swallowed whole here and they'll be like, oh, just another.

00:54:09
Speaker 3: I don't think you should move here. I think you have more value not here.

00:54:12
Speaker 1: Interesting.

00:54:12
Speaker 3: I think you give far more value night here.

00:54:14
Speaker 2: What's interesting about you is that you're not here, and that you don't sound like people from here, and you didn't grow up like people that are here. Yeah, I think that's that's why I was interested. I was watching you guys club. I just DM do you And I was like, hey, you guys are doing a great job. Yeah.

00:54:26
Speaker 1: I normally nearly fainted when that happened.

00:54:28
Speaker 2: Okay, you've said that like three times you walk in like I knew? Is that your Is that your your stick? Like you're always about to die or pee or faint or something pee well whatever, it's always like something like I'm about to cry, I'm about to pee or what I mean.

00:54:38
Speaker 1: I'm just like it's just overwhelming, like it's not my thing. I'm not like kidding guys, I'm about to be all the time. I just it's just I can't believe it. I can't believe I'm sat here. I've gone into a different part of my brain to be able to cope and sit here and actually make full sentences. This feels like I'm in a fever dream and I need to wake up. But I'm not waking up, and it's getting work.

00:55:00
Speaker 2: I think that's the value. And I think if you moved here, you wouldn't have that anything.

00:55:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would get maybe a bit more like you, as in like I would see how the sausage is made. I don't want to see how the sausage made. Keep the sausages away hate everybody.

00:55:09
Speaker 3: That's that's me. You just hate everybody like you hate everybody to start, and then they have to like earn.

00:55:14
Speaker 1: Like, oh so you like you? You hate everyone, and then if they shock you, you're like okay.

00:55:20
Speaker 2: Entertainment wise, Oh okay, Yeah, it's like he's your favorite artist.

00:55:25
Speaker 1: What capacity just generally listen to musically?

00:55:29
Speaker 2: If I did, I'll just do my Mount Rushmore, John Mayer, Casey Musgraves, Oh yeah, County Crows.

00:55:39
Speaker 1: Oh okay, what's Casey like? I'd love to I'd love to speak to Casey.

00:55:46
Speaker 3: She won't let me interview her.

00:55:48
Speaker 1: Oh well, she won't let me interview her either, So that's like two of us.

00:55:51
Speaker 3: I love Casey.

00:55:52
Speaker 2: So Casey and I got into a huge fight when I first moved here. Yeah, and it was on me at this point.

00:55:57
Speaker 1: What did you do?

00:55:58
Speaker 3: No, I was a bull in the china shop.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: Well I did hear you put up posters saying bigger?

00:56:06
Speaker 3: What did you do about billboards?

00:56:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, like street get Bobby out of Nashville most.

00:56:12
Speaker 2: Maybe the British interpretation is that, but no, it was a go away Bobby bones so good.

00:56:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I was.

00:56:19
Speaker 2: I moved here, and there's two types of there's two types of actual country people. There's cowboys, there's trailer trailer park, and I was trailer park. There's like right, there's like there's like redneck white trash, and there's cowboy. The problem that I ran into when I moved here was I was so unapologetic, not a cowboy, and I wasn't gonna fake being a cowboy.

00:56:40
Speaker 1: You're not cosplaying none. You weren't doing the escapism that the UK is when we all turn up in cowboy House of the Gigs.

00:56:45
Speaker 3: And I was being told by.

00:56:48
Speaker 2: Like consultants or the industry, like you're not one of us, yeah, And my tendency is okay, I'm really not one of you then, And so I was out of control. I was a I had knives out. I was attacking anything that I felt at all was coming at me. It was a really difficult three or four years.

00:57:06
Speaker 1: Anyway. You threatened Casey Malsgrave with a knife.

00:57:08
Speaker 5: Not.

00:57:11
Speaker 3: Literally.

00:57:12
Speaker 2: We had a moment during the CMA interviews when I used to do those, and now I understand Casey's just quiet. It's like the carry thing, yeah, And I took it as one thing, like oh, she's not being very nice.

00:57:24
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

00:57:25
Speaker 2: It absolutely wasn't that. It was her personality. Met my knives out, yep, yep. And I just went on the air and was just like I would with ten other people, just eviscerate people and would be like this sucks. I've since said I was completely the wrong and sorry, and I've even seen her and was like, hey, I'm really sorry about that, and she was like, oh man, we're all good.

00:57:44
Speaker 3: We're all good. But she doesn't do a lot of interviews anyway, so I don't think like she's avoiding me.

00:57:49
Speaker 1: No, she's just kind of like doesn't know. I don't want to say, doesn't need to. But there are some stars who like are just focusing on the music what they want to do, and they don't want to do the press, and that's and.

00:57:56
Speaker 2: It makes them cooler by not doing anything if you can commit tone doing anything. Yes, So Casey's Casey's my favorite, like love Casey, So she's my and then probably someone like a do W ben Folds is ben Folds. I just like instruments, and I think that's why I like country music. Yes, I like acoustic guitars and pianos.

00:58:18
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, it's simplicity.

00:58:21
Speaker 3: Very much so.

00:58:23
Speaker 1: And so.

00:58:24
Speaker 2: But I grew up in a very rural Arkansas town trailer park type situation, moved here and I was playing some hip hop on the country you know, of the country station.

00:58:32
Speaker 3: I was just still myself.

00:58:33
Speaker 2: I never changed, and it wasn't met warmly by this by this area because I just wasn't part of the system. And then when they told me I wasn't part of the system and I wasn't going to survive, that's when I really got angry with the system and it's revisions history. I showed up and everything was great. Now, everything's great, yeah, but it definitely wasn't for a long time. And so I bought billboards in the city that had no attachment to me said go away, Bobby Bones for the simple reason of I wanted people to either go who is Bobby Bones?

00:59:05
Speaker 3: Or why are they picking on Bobby Bones? Or I agree those three reasons.

00:59:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, never said anything about it, And then until I wrote my first book, nobody knew for years.

00:59:13
Speaker 1: Yes, now it is.

00:59:15
Speaker 2: It was risky, risky at the time, expensive at the time, I bet, yeah, it's before I was rich.

00:59:21
Speaker 1: I mean, I did walk into this house today and I nearly fainted.

00:59:25
Speaker 2: I make that you nearly ped as you fainted, Yes, nearly pool. Oh how many cmas have you been to?

00:59:35
Speaker 3: How many awards?

00:59:37
Speaker 1: How many CMA awards have I been to? Zero? Oh? This first one, this is the first one I know, was awesome.

00:59:41
Speaker 3: First one was awesome, second and third one. It gets the TV.

00:59:44
Speaker 2: The commercials suck at a live event, know, it's awesome. Number one is it's always so much fun because the performances are cool.

00:59:51
Speaker 3: It's just like a television taping.

00:59:53
Speaker 2: They're just slow and clunky in real life because of how they have to be presented on television.

00:59:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have had that. I'm a little bit worried about l So I bumped into Kelly Sutton last night and she was amazing soup. I mean she's doing it?

01:00:05
Speaker 3: Is she with the Oprey?

01:00:06
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes she was. Yeah.

01:00:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that what you're talking about you saw at the Opry?

01:00:09
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah.

01:00:09
Speaker 2: And then but then half the words you say, I'm just kind of guessing what they are. I'm gonna be honest, because I don't know sometimes and I'm just like, well, based on the six words I understood, I think this is what she meant.

01:00:19
Speaker 1: Then I just go.

01:00:20
Speaker 2: So if you've noticed at times I've been a bit disconnect, like maybe I haven't responded to exactly what you said, it's a little bit of me just taking most.

01:00:27
Speaker 1: Of it and guessing we're gonna have to have some sort of like translation to feel like some sort of like Yeah, I love Kelly too. Absolutely. She's been a really big champion of our podcasts and like what we're doing for the female listenership, so like I huddle, but she gave me some interesting tips, that interesting information that no one else had given us, by the way, which I think I was like, oh, interesting that no one else gave us that information. But Kelly is a she's a real one. She gave us the information that the red cop is like an L and like you have some people that will walk here, so let's say Combs or someone who's huge, right, they'll walk here, and then they'll just keep walking into the venue, and then there'll still be loads of like, let more junior press on the other side of the L, so like they will only do like you know, the top big broader and then they'll go so little old me who will be probably by the toilets or you know, somewhere by the bins over here because we're.

01:01:19
Speaker 3: Buried in the toilet. In the toilet, well, we.

01:01:21
Speaker 1: Needed to pet the whole. So I'll be there and I'm probably going to get not the people that maybe I was hoping for when we first but you know, you never know. If I'm in that Union actress, they might have put me next to CNN. I don't know. We're just gonna see it, wing it and just try and you know, get people's attention the whole time. I'm wearing a big coat.

01:01:42
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be like this, Yeah in America, that's breasts. I don't know what you were doing, but look like you were flashing.

01:01:50
Speaker 1: Well I flashed Tucker wet More and I'm quite famous for that. But that's that was when I came for the CMA. First story was if you haven't listened to the episode, Tucker wasn't huge yet. He was kind of like just on the up, but I'd seen him and I knew that a he was super hot, but also that like the song was amazing. Whenn't Missing You was just climbing coming out and I was in a box next to him at the CMAO was and I noticed I just got tickets through like someone had just said, hey, great, come here, my produced videographer in Nashville. He was like, this is through my work, Like behave Katie. And we were like on like day four or five of a bender, like I was drinking just to stay alive. So we were there in this box. I see Tucker wet More is like on the other side of this cars and I go, oh my god, this's Tuck. I went why I love him? And I went like this, I went hearthands, love you, Tucker, and he went back, you went love you Tucker. But then I was pissed, as in I was drunk, so I was like love I sort of just like emulated a flash. I was like yeah, And then he turned around and he mooned me, like to pull his trousers down and was like whoa. And I was like, oh my god, what a perfect moment. And my other cool Nashville friends were like, this is a work invite, Katie. This is outrageous. You can't do this. So I was like, oh my god, Okay, right, I'll sit down. But anyway, six months past, Tucker comes over to c TOC Festival, which is a huge country music festival in the O two in London, and I was thinking, there's no way we have like a crazy interview with him anyway. But then there's no way that this guy's gonna remember this moment, especially now that he's got really quite big and I was going, I just suddenly stopped in the interview and the Tucker, you know, we've actually met before. I was at the CMA. It was a CMA fest. I was in the box and he literally just turns and this interview and goes, you flashed me, that was you, like, and he was. I had turned to my buddy and I couldn't believe it. I said, that girl just flashed me, Like, so we now have like this whole thing, this whole backstory of like me flashing him. So I've got a big coat on tonight and I'm gonna hold it together. And then when he walks over, I'm gonna go like that, and I'm obviously gonna have a dress on underneath. Don't wry g but like, you know, just you keep the gag going. That's I like that about the podcasting and being a personality within it and not being just like a media outlet, like you get to continue the storyline, like with Riley Green tonight, He's probably gonna see me and want to run the other direction, which is great. It's all for the storyline. And if I don't get Riley because he's not walking down the right le of the.

01:03:57
Speaker 3: Are you for sure you're at the back? Do you know?

01:03:59
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just guessing. I don't know. We've been invited by the international side of the CMA, so they want us to cover this. I hope otherwise you're right.

01:04:09
Speaker 3: Though they do put they do layers.

01:04:13
Speaker 1: There's always going to be a hierarchy, and I realize we are at.

01:04:17
Speaker 2: The don't I don't think that's true, but because I do think it's interesting that you guys are here, and I think they'll want to have that exposure.

01:04:24
Speaker 3: I think if I were to give you advice, you didn't ask for it, So I'm for sure gonna give it.

01:04:29
Speaker 1: No, give it to me.

01:04:30
Speaker 2: I'm a spunge because I've done both right. I've worked it and walked it, worked it. As the person that was working it, I always felt like the artist was always looking around because they had to go to something else, and they never knew how long I was going to hold them.

01:04:45
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so do I tell them at the beginning, like I'm going to ask you three questions, that's exactly what you do.

01:04:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have to be so, but you need to let them know what what your expectation is from them because they are limited and they're bouncing place to place. SA when I because I would always go to the back of the yl what do you call it the yel because I would do the few and then I would go, yeah, when I'm at when if I was promoting something or like at the ACMs, I'm part of that broadcast, so I'll go walk the carpet, and I would always spend extra time at the back. And so what's easiest is when they kind of let me know the expectation, because then I can give them full everything and not have to worry they're going to keep me for longer than So that would be the only tip that I would give you.

01:05:28
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm gonna go, We're gonna do three questions, and I want to shore a little dnswer and.

01:05:32
Speaker 2: Then they won't be looking around like to see if they're missing anything or or if they're going extra long.

01:05:37
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

01:05:52
Speaker 2: Okay, I have like two other questions. You know who I like mister Bean? Oh my god, No, no, no, no, no, you need no, no, don't like him anymore?

01:06:00
Speaker 1: No, you love him. I have to tell you, I look like mister Bean, and I think he's related to me.

01:06:05
Speaker 3: Are you his illegitimate love child?

01:06:08
Speaker 1: That's what I use when I go to the bars.

01:06:10
Speaker 3: That's how I get Mommy, you don't look like Rowanak. You don't look like I.

01:06:14
Speaker 1: Look so much like Ronak. And I'm gonna pull up a picture of me dressed as mister Bean, and you're gonna be like Jesus Christ.

01:06:20
Speaker 2: We're gonna put a split up in this clip. This is her picture looking at the camera place, and here's mister Bean.

01:06:26
Speaker 3: You beat the judge. Oh you're doing that. You came to the face. You came to the face the impression, you came to the impressions.

01:06:32
Speaker 1: That's fair. The reason why I think I'm related to him is actually quite legit. Because my name is Katie Atkin. His name is Rowan Atkinson. Now back in the day kin, yeah at Kin, it means son of Adam Kin of Adam. So if there was a slur not slap, if there was a mistake in a census or something back in the day, and they did Atkinson because they're doing son of Adam Kin of Adam. So Rowan Atkinson and Katie Atkin could be related to each other. But there just like some sort of slip up and then it was you know, it just then went on. So is this a joke or do you honestly think there could be so from I genuinely think there could be some connection because my dad looks a bit mister Beanie. My granddad looks mister Beanie. I'm not mister Bean's love child that I know of. Well, I like him, yeah, I love him, love love love. No, God, I don't think. I don't know. The world might end if we're in the same room.

01:07:24
Speaker 3: Okay. Final thing, the difference between the UK and England.

01:07:30
Speaker 1: Go, England is a country. We then have Scotland is another country. God, I'm not a geography girl. Northern Ireland is another country, and that is and Wales and Whales is another country. That is the UK but not Ireland, and then we have Ireland. No, So this is some history here that I'm linked to. My mum is Northern Irish. Okay, so she was in she lived, grew up in the troubles in Ireland and Northern Ireland, and so it's Catholics and Protestants. There was a lot of terrorism, awful things that happened in like the eighties. They there's you know, not as much contention now they're separate. Northerne is part of the UK. Island is Island, Yeah so yeah, United Kingdom is are United Kingdoms and then ilands separate. So if you go to when I go to Island, I actually find it feels a lot like Boston. It feels a bit American more so than normal.

01:08:26
Speaker 3: I went to Ireland.

01:08:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you like it? I love it.

01:08:29
Speaker 2: It's a terrible, terrible decision for me because I was finishing a book and I really needed to get time zoned away so I wouldn't be on the same time zone with here, so like emails would come.

01:08:40
Speaker 3: So I wanted to go somewhere and it was like the closest far place.

01:08:43
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah.

01:08:43
Speaker 3: So I got on a plane and I flew to Dublin. Never been there. I don't drink and I'm by myself in Dublin. There was nothing else to do.

01:08:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of Guinness.

01:08:51
Speaker 2: Everything is drink, drink, drink. Yeah yeah, so there was not Yeah for me, Yeah I did.

01:08:55
Speaker 3: I wrote.

01:08:56
Speaker 2: I got on a tour bus, one of those double deckers, and I went to a castle and it wasn't even castle.

01:09:00
Speaker 1: It was like a small village house. Yeah, you were at a pointy top. If you go to Northern Ireland with me, I could show you a lot of amazing places like giants causeways, beautiful walks. Island has so much to offer.

01:09:13
Speaker 3: I wanted to see Game of Thrones, yeah, and I it wasn't.

01:09:17
Speaker 1: A giants causeway. It's kind of like Game of Thrones vibes. I think, like, you know, any any city like Dublin's quiet. You know, it's a touristy city. It's kind of like coming to Nashville.

01:09:25
Speaker 3: And not oh very much. So it felt.

01:09:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful places. But if you knew someone who was from Dublin, they could probably take you so a place. But as it's difficult when you come as an English person and you go to Times Square. You know, it's like my friends in New York were like, what the hell are you doing? But you do it. You go and see that, you know, do you the ferry? You do all that stuff and everything.

01:09:42
Speaker 2: I basically went to the Statue of Liberty in Dublin and went back to my room.

01:09:45
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, that's what you did.

01:09:47
Speaker 3: Congratulations on everything. It's it's so good to meet you too.

01:09:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:09:50
Speaker 3: No, I'm honestly thrilled super Bowl. I hope you guys continue.

01:09:54
Speaker 1: Just I don't move here, okay, Like, can you want to keep an ocean between us, Bobby?

01:10:00
Speaker 2: Yes, come if you you should come, though, you should, like, yeah, professionally, make two times a year or so to come, because I think you're going to gather so much.

01:10:09
Speaker 3: But if you come here, I think it loses the value of.

01:10:11
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, it's quite nice to do like a disruptive interview here, like as in like I could out of the blue, because obviously we know who's coming to the UK, so then people be like, oh, when Ashley McBride comes, girls and their places are probably going to do her, so they can kind of expect what guess we're going to have. It'd be quit nice to be able to come here every like two three months and then like just do someone that they're like, what the hell they got that person? I would never expect that, so that I would really love to do that and like, yeah, we we love it here. I'm never gonna not love it here. But I think I would be mad if I lived here. And I respect you think that though, but then you just get tired.

01:10:42
Speaker 3: Then it's just like or I.

01:10:43
Speaker 1: Might be like more, i'd be less of a fine girl, as you say, a fine girl. Fan girl got me. I'm a fine.

01:10:51
Speaker 3: All right, Katie, Good to see you.

01:10:54
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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