Let's Do LUNCH!

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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are two working parents who love our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. We want you to get the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and seventy five, which is airing in early November twenty twenty two. We are going to be talking all things lunch. Let's do lunch, both, how to use a lunch break well, and what to eat. Lunch can be this absolutely wonderful thing. It can also be boring and forgettable. So we want everyone to upgrade their lunch break right. So, Sarah, before we get into that, though, you tried out one of the tranquility by Tuesday rules. Yes, I was so excited to discuss this because I guess it's a rule that I've put a little of resistance to and Okay, one of the TBT rules is to plan the week on Fridays, and of course you all know I love planning the week. I highly endorse the planning the week part. But I generally do a lot of my personal planning on Sundays, including my family meal planning. But that means that a lot of times I'm kind of juggling. I do grocery delivery these days, and I'm kind of juggling when I want the groceries to come, and it's like never a good time. And I happen to have kind of a gift from above or something of a very slow call week I was on call. It's still stressful when you're on call, but there were some days that there just wasn't as much stuff going on, and particularly on Friday, as I felt like I had tied up many loose ends, I was just sort of waiting for patients to arrive, and I was like, you know what, I could plan the week. And I think I was particularly excited about doing this because when was on call over the weekend, so I wanted to clear out the weekend and make it easier for myself. So as a gift for my future self. I started to do some of the planning, and then I just like got on a roll. I did my meal planning. I ordered groceries for that day, which meant that ar Nanni helped me put them away instead of me having to like grab them at seven am on a Sunday or you know, whenever we've chosen to do that. And we had food for the weekend, which we often don't. And I also was able to kind of look farther ahead, because as you've mentioned, you kind of want to look at like the next weekend far enough in advance to actually plan things. And I don't always get to that next weekend planning on Sunday because I'm kind of just barreling in on the essentials. So I was like, oh, we're free that day, Like, let's see if I can arrange a playdate for that Sunday. So I have to say, like, I don't always have such expansive swaths of time on Friday, but I think that with my new schedule, I'm more likely to have them more often. And I think this was a great use of time, and it did allow the weekend to feel a little bit more open and relaxing. And so I really enjoyed it. Yay. So here we have, you know, time planning guru, and she thought planning on Friday's work too, so heartily endorsed. I love Friday planning. It really is the best. You could think about your lunches for the week on Friday too, which is our segue into lunch as a topic. So Sarah as the representative here of somebody who goes into an office at least fairly frequently, why don't you start about what lunch looks like for you. Yeah, So I go into an office three days a week, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. So three of my days are pretty structured, and my lunchtime is pretty well defined. Usually my last morning patient is like eleven thirty and my first afternoon patient. Sometimes it'll be scheduled for one, but they're not really in the room by one, so it's like one ten, So I have like a decent gap there, although that sounds more generous than it is, because I always want to finish all my notes from the morning before heading into the afternoon, because you know how it is anyway, So that is kind of like my current structure of how my workday, lunch breaks, work, but usually I can get done with my charts by twelve fifteen, sometimes twelve thirty at the worst. So I usually do have like at least forty minutes to myself, which is great. And I think you know that not every physician has that. I absolutely acknowledge that. But I think some people tell themselves a story like I never have any time, and it might just be that, like some days you don't have time and some days you are going to have more time, And you know, are there ways you can increase your efficiency by like chart prepping. I kind of do treasure that time so it motivates me. If there's like a second of downtime, I'm like pre doing my chart of a patient that's going to come in later that morning, et cetera. So there are ways you can try to manufacture and protect it. Again, I know it's not doable for everyone, but you can work towards it anyway. So I used to tell myself a story that like you're not allowed to do anything during that time, where like you are somehow like not allowed to leave your office or you can only go into the cafeteria. I don't know. I don't know where these stories even came from. No one ever said that, But during COVID it actually was when I was like, well, we can't eat with anybody, so what can I do with this time? And I started to realize there were so many different options. I mean, at this point, we'll talk about the food later, but a lot of times the eating part is fairly minimal part of that time, and I will like read a novel during that time. I will go for a walk. If it was a non run day, I can be motivating to close my rings on my Apple watch a little bit, hashtag upholder whatever anyway, so sometimes that will And also it's just nice to get out if you've been kind of like in this air conditioned environment all day, to feel the sun on you. So I'll take a walk right in the blocks around my clinic basically, which is not the most scenic, but it's safe and it's fine. Or I will just like read blogs, cats up with my feedly. I have napped on the office floor before on a really rough day, which actually can be quite rejuvenating. Or every once in a while, I will like not write a blog post that morning because I know I'll have time later and I will write my blog post during the lunch hour, So yeah, that's that's kind of like what I I tend to use that time for these days, And there are things you do not wish to do on your lunch break as well. Yes, I have to say in my leadership role, a lot of times I would have to like lead a twelve pm meeting because that's when physicians are free to meet. But I actually it's sort of a problematic thing both to lead the meeting and to be in the meeting, because it sends a message that you don't get any break and like you have to go straight from your patients to like engaging in this meeting to your patients. So I don't actually think it's a wonderful time for meetings to happen. And I hated when I had to lead a faculty meeting where everyone was distracted because they were like trying to eat, but also like when was I supposed to eat? Like I was seeing patients right up until the second then I had to completely switch gears, especially if it was on zoom, I couldn't even see anyone, and then write at one o'clock when I was done, I had to see patients again. It was completely exhausting. I did it so many times. I don't know why I didn't. I don't know, like think of some other solutions, because it's actually really really hard to do that. I can see that. Yeah, I mean, well, just the awkwardness of eating while trying to lead a meeting, or like even being in a meeting and eating, I don't know, it's just a which you know, if you're in a restaurant, you eat in front of other people, but it's a little weirder when you're on a computer screen. I don't know, Oh, it's so much weirder. No, it's I'm leading a meeting. I'm definitely not eating, which means I'm like starving where I have to like snarf a protein bar in like two seconds. And then the people that are like watching the meeting if they're eating, I totally understand if they want to turn their screens off. I've been in some situations where they're like everyone must have their screen on, and I'm like, I'm not doing it. I'm not like eating on camera, like I just I mean some people that may not bother them, but like I'm not that person. So yeah, and you know, I'm an extrovert, but my patient centered job is just talking to people. Actually both parts of my job, like when I would have to do like residency interviews, it's just talking literally, like running my mouth all day and not having that midday break where I can just like stop for a second. Is just even for me who likes to talk, it's a lot. It's a lot. I wouldn't like it, but I'm more introverted, so I guess I can tell you it sounds like pretty bad to me. I thought this was a fun topic. I read a book recently. It's called Box Lunch Lifestyle by Cheryl Johnson, and what she does. She advocates bringing yourself a real, healthy meal from home. This is especially targeted for people who are in offices and get you know, thirty forty minutes right for your lunch break. So people like Sarah, and she says, you know, bring yourself something from home that is healthy, like use real silverware, you know, make yourself feel fancy if you'd like, and then use the other half of your lunch break to do something that is advancing you towards your personal goals. So the idea is, you know, if it was thirty minutes. You could spend fifteen minutes eating your healthy lunch from home and then fifteen minutes learning a foreign language with duo lingo, or reading a novel, or reading a self development book, doing some sort of spiritual practice, some quick hobby you might have. You could do a little bit of sketching or drawing or taking photographs or knitting or whatever it is that you want to do in that fifteen minute. And obviously fifteen minutes is not huge at all, but it's kind of about changing your mental model. Just as Sarah was talking about. The idea is you do have some time for yourself. It may not be a huge amount, but you have some amount. And if you consciously take a little bit of that time for your own goals, you change the narrative of having no say over your life. And as for the part about bringing the food from home, it's just practical, like people can lose a lot of time and transition of going to get their food and like waiting in a line to pay for it or to pick it up or to you know, even if it's like a cafeteria you have downstairs, or a restaurant that's in the basement of your building, Like there's still that transaction cost of getting there, getting the food, paying for it, bringing it back, and eating it. And it's leave alone the fact that it may not be as healthy as what you could bring from home. So anyway, that's why she suggests bringing it from home. Now, I will say, of course, like often lunch can be a time for networking too, so you might not want to do this every day. Maybe you do three days a week of the box lunch lifestyle, two days a week where you go with colleagues to that cafeteria or restaurant in the basement or whatever it happens to be, and use it consciously, like don't just go to the place, like you grab three colleagues and go chat with them and use that time. Obviously, working for myself, things are totally different. I tend to think of noon as roughly lunchtime. And then partly that's just if my husband and I are both working from home, we might both aim to take the break then and so you can chat with each other briefly over lunch. I will say, it doesn't happen all the time, because it's not like either of us will protect it, Like if you need to call somebody at noon or whatever. You know, we're not going to see like no, no, no, I can't do it like that. That's my eating time. But you know, once or twice a week it might happen. Sometimes I will read for a little bit or tack on a walk. You know. Often I'm in the bad habit of just reading the emails. I didn't get too earlier over lunch, but sometimes I will go for my walk that I need to get through before three pm. So we're going to take a quick as break here and then we'll get back to the eating part, like what should we eat for lunch? Well, we are back with our let's do lunch episode. We are talking all things lunch, what to do on your lunch break, what is feasible, and also what to eat. So Sarah, what are you eating for lunch these days? Well, lots of stuff. First, I just need to take a moment to say how cute it is that even once in a while you and your husband get to have lunch together at home. I just think that's so nice. And I bet there are other people now that working from home is more common, that get to enjoy that as well. So just a reminder that if you can do that, try to do that every once in a while. What a great opportunity. I do not get to do that because my husband is never home, but that's okay, all right, So clinic days, I would say I range between. My first choice is always leftovers for two reasons. Number one, I don't want to waste anything, so if I eat it for lunch, that means I'm using it up, which is great. But also because leftovers are tasty and usually fairly healthy, like usually they have some kind of a protein and a vegetable in them, so they're They're always a good choice. The only time I'm not going to take leftovers if we have them is if they're earmarked for the next night's dinner, because we do like to eat leftovers for dinner sometimes and I don't want to like steal from them with lunch, So that's option A. Option B tends to be what my husband ironically calls lunch of Champions because it's super not but like an Amy's burrito or a egg wrap. I think it's the Evol brand that I buy from the grocery store. They're frozen, you microwave them in two minutes, and then I pair that with like baby carrots and like a cheese stick. So it is like the simplest thing ever. But it's like enough, and it's fine and it's warm, and you know what, when you're really hungry and you want to get out for your walk, it's an efficient way to eat lunch. Number three. I do get takeouts sometimes, I would say once a week to once every two weeks, definitely more than once a week, but because it is super expensive. So the reason I won't just drive and pick it up is actually because of our parking situation where I work. If I move my car, I may not find a spot ever again. So it's kind of annoying because otherwise I would just like go get it. Maybe that could be part of my walk or something, but whatever. Sometimes I'm doing notes and it'll be eleven forty and I'll be like starting to get hungry, and I'll be like, you know what, I'm going to order my take out my door dash right now, and that way, by the time I'm done these notes, someone will be here with my lunch. Like how incredibly luxurious is that? And it's the best and yes, it costs like twenty five dollars. When I do that for one lunch, but sometimes there'll be enough leftovers that it can be two lunches. Like where did I order from recently? Oh? It was like I got a sandwich and a salad that was like from this local place, but it was like they were both kind of like full size, So it ended up being two days, which is not quite as indulgent. So yes, treating myself to take out is something that I do. It comes out of my allowance money. In case anyone wonders, my husband has the same allowance if he wants to get takeout, and then my four the option would be our hospital cafeteria. I don't know. It's free for physicians where I work, so you would think I would take advantage of it more. But I don't always feel like talking to anyone, as I've mentioned, and I don't like the food there very much. It's not that I have an objection to it. I just don't find stuff I like very often, and so it's kind of like my last resort. But I do actually think I like my colleagues, and I think listening to this episode, I'm getting inspired, Like, you know, every other Friday, we could do like let's all go to the cafeteria together and have like a social lunch. Like I don't know why we don't do that. Part of it is that people work in different satellites, so not everybody is there and I can never remember who's there on any different day. But I could figure this out, it would be doable. So maybe I will start doing that every once in a while as a social event. Now, as for aspirational lunch ideas, you know you were thinking maybe there would be like Mason jar as you could post on Instagram that sort of thing. Well, I mean, that's the funny thing. Those are my actual lunches. And then like there's the things that I'm always like like, ooh, that looks so fun. And I will say my home lunch is because I want to hear about your home lunches. At home, I feel like I can get more fancy. Like I'll often do eggs, like an eggs sandwich, like something that's like toasted and like that you can't really eat very easily at work. Is something that I'll do for home. A tuna melt, an egg sandwich, runny egg yolks on top of leftovers, you know, stuff like that. And then there's this stuff that I see that I'm jealous of but have never actually done, which is like the salads in Mason Jars, because I've heard it works amazing and nothing gets soggy and you can do a whole week's worth, and I don't know, I someday I'm gonna try it and I will report back. And then the other thing is like I never kind of do a giant batch of something with the plan to just eat it for lunches, but maybe I should because we don't always have leftovers. And then i'd have like instant leftovers. And there are so many very easy recipes that you could throw in the slow cooker or just like throw in a pot of chili and then just plan to bring it all week. So yeah, and then oh yeah, oh go ahead. Well yeah, I would say if you could make chili maybe, or somebody could make chili on Monday, right as like your Monday dinner, and then that could purposefully be the leftovers for the rest of the week, right, yes, where we like plan not to eat it as leftovers and we make like a double or triple batch, so it's like there for the rest of the week. Yeah, that's probably the most practical. And then finally, I do think I should at some point by like some frozen meals to just stick in the freezer, to just live there at work for those rare days that like I think I'm going to go to the cafeteria, but there's a raging thunderstorm and I don't feel like getting struck by lightning on the way there or things like that. Yeah, well, especially if you can't move your car. I'm laughing at it. So where do your patients park? I mean, it's just there's separate areas for it. It is. There's actually a valet system for the patients. And I used to be able to park right on the right building. But our hospital is gorgeous. It's beautiful, and it's expanded from four floors to eight floors. We've actually just opened. It's like amazing because I've seen it, I've seen it grow like and now we have this gorgeous building. But they kind of decimated the parking lot in the meantime. Yeah, and then you have more offices but fewer spaces. That's exactly. I think. Eventually there is going to be more parking, which will be super exciting, But we're still in this transitional phase. But okay, yeah, the hospital looks I mean amazing, it's donning. That's great, that's great. Yeah, that's uh no, I think that. Yeah, I've been in a bit of a lunch rut at times. I do the leftover things obviously, like that is the easiest thing for anyone. And you know, if you are cooking, cook extra, please, you know, avail yourself of that opportunity, and then you have lunch for the next few days if you want. Sometimes our meal kits, it does make extra. So this week we do have extra. I have some pork tacos. I have you know, Vietnamese kind of curry that's that's really good with some rice noodles. That makes great leftovers, probably even better than it is the first day because all the flavors kind of seep together a little bit more. It's pretty exciting. But if we don't have those, it's been hard to figure out because I don't know if anyone's ever analyzed this unless you are not eating dairy products, But how many lunch options seem to involve cheese in some way, shape or form. That most sandwiches seem to have cheese on them, or you know, quick things like casadillas. So I just had to figure out, like, what would I want that is interesting that doesn't involve dairy. So two things I have been doing of late. One is a curry chicken salad. So when we were at we went a trip to the Virgin Islands this summer and they had sort of limited restaurant options at this resort. It's still the COVID thing, I'm sure more probably the employment situation that I can get people to work, but they had very limited options. But one place was a takeout where they had a couple sandwiches and one of them was this really good curry chicken salad sandwich. I was like, oh, I bet I could make that, and so I have been making it. It's pretty easy as long as I have the ingredients at home, so I just use canned chicken. You can buy cans of chicken, just like you would buy cans of tuna. Probably it would be cheaper and better to just grill some chicken breasts and cut those up and have them in the fridge, but I have not gotten myself to that point. Similarly as Sarah has not made her chili. It needs to be minimal mental load, so you just use the canned chicken, put in slivered almonds, grapes, celery mayo, and then mix in curry powder and that makes curry chicken salad. And then you can either eat it with bread or crackers, depending on you know, if you wish to add the carb. If you don't wish to add the carb, then you do not so really good. And then I've also been having this hot ham and spicy mayo sandwich. So this takes a little bit more time. But again if you're working from home, you can turn on the oven, like go back and take a call, put something in, go back and do your email, go back out and get it. So I make bread out of two little we have ready made pizza dough because we have Friday night Pizza Night that we make your own pizza, so we always have frozen pizza dough, and so if one is defrosted, I can take chunks of that and just put it on a cookie sheet and make two pieces of bread in essence, right, and I put some olive oil and salt on it. So two pieces of bread that I bake in the oven. And then I put tomatoes, sliced ham, and chipotle mayo on it. So I highly recommend for anyone else who is not eating dairy products to invest in some interesting mayonnaises because it can take the place of your pepper jack cheese. So Chipotle Mayo, put it in the middle, then put one piece of bread on top of the other, bake for another two minutes, and I have a hot, yummy sandwich. Did you make this? It sounds like a TikTok recipe, Like, really make this up? Yeah, I made this up. Oh, I feel like you should put it on TikTok. It's going to go crazy. Well, I can't put a photo on Instagram at some point of my like at home lunch. But yeah, I mean you're often you want something hot, right, and hot bread is like you don't normally get that unless you're at a restaurant, and so it's it's actually really tasty. It makes me feel very decadent in the middle of the day. And then we always say, you know, we have the non dairy burritos. I don't you know, we can have some guacamole with them or something, or we can have a hot dog, you know, eat what you can have with fruit. But yeah, it sounds like, you know, for people in office. I love your idea of getting some frozen lunches if you have a fridge or freezer, like put your name on them so your colleagues don't take them, and then having you know, like a bag of apples in your drawer or something like you could totally just grab one of those in your frozen lunch and that's that's a meal, right, Yes, great emergency meal. Great emergency meal. People do that with things like, you know, string cheese as well. If you have spot in the fridge, string cheese, boiled eggs, that would be another thing like you do. I mean, this would be a real sort of quick emergency lunch. But an apple, string cheese, and a boiled egg be all things that could easily go together and make protein and fruit. Sounds like one of those Starbucks things that I get for lunch sometimes. To forget about those oat boxes. Yeah, we do have a Starbucks on it. Maybe it's just my cheapness, but I always feel like I could have done that, Like I could have, but I didn't, so I had to get it at Starbucks with a oat milk cappuccino. So that's yeah, that's what I probably wouldn't do. The oat milk cappuccino on my own. So what are you doing with the eggs though, like when you make the eggs, like what is that egg meal? Oh? At home? Yeah, oh my god, anything. I mean, my favorite is probably just like an egg sandwich. Like so I'll just take like and usually I'll do like open face, so like I'll take half a bagel if we have like leftover, like real bakery bagels. It's the best. Can everything one and then I'll like do two eggs kind of like runny and like shove it on top and then sorry, put a slice of cheese on top, maybe some hot sauce, carrots on the side. Oh, that's the best, super delicious. I think it's like it hits that decadent like, ooh, look what I get to eat in the middle of the day. Thing that you're hot ham, which I'm telling you it's gonna go viral. It's sound amazing hot ham and spicy mao sandwich. You guys, you gotta try it. Little tomatoes that makes it healthy? Oh yes, I can imagine. Sun dried tomatoes could could be an interesting touch. Oh that's it, and I bet you can just I'm sure you just buy like little tens of sun dried the ones packed in oil. They're excellent. Yeah, nice. Well, and you could I mean you could expand it. You could do turkey, right, just as long as you have something creamy, some protein. Could do vegan meat, because you know what it's getting if you're vegan. That bread it is probably vegan and it was getting all toasty, so like to some vegan meat and hummus in there. Ooh interesting. Yeah, we could have all like so many variations, so many. All right, well, there you go. That's our little gift to you, our let's do lunch episode. If you go out to lunch, do you have a set thing you order? No? I don't think so. I mean I'm like, yeah, I'll just see what looks good. I'm a good orderer, like I think my sister said the other day, She's like, tell me what to get. You're always the best order, And I'm like, that is the best compliment. So nope, nope. Yeah. I used to get the chicken caesar salad because it was like, I don't know if people have this experience that you're having a business lunch, like if you spend too much time looking at the menu, and you're not there that long anyway, you're not talking with the other person, so it's better to just have a go to item that you always order. But then, of course, now I can't eat the caesar salad with the creamy dressing, so I often if they have a chicken like a chicken salad, I'll do that, or a Greek salad, I can just sort of pick the feedt off. I don't really go to business lunches very often, although it sounds kind of fun. But if I was going, I would look at the menu ahead of time and then know what I was going to get, so that I had a good choice. But I also didn't have to waste any time or look indecisive at the lunch. Yeah, or I just suggest going to Asian cuisines because then they don't eat cheese, So there you go. It all works. Yeah. Yeah, So for our question, we wanted to do more of our meal planning process. At this point, Sarah, can you talk quickly through what you do as your meal planning. We're moving here from lunch to meals broadly, but what are you doing for your meal planning these So I don't meal plan breakfast or lunch I just keep staples around. I do sometimes do muffin Monday, which means on Sunday night, I will like use a muffin mix and make a muffins so we have them for Monday to make Monday a little bit less painful for the kids because somehow I've said this before, but like getting them to commit to like what they're eating is a whole thing. But I don't really meal plan those meals. Dinner. I do meal plan sorry disclaimer, I usually use Preptish, which is a best laid planned sponsor always though. Actually, in a recent last couple of weeks, I just wanted, like really like fun fall recipes and I've just been pulling them off of this blog called how Sweet Eats. I usually plan in some leftover days, so I picked, like, you know, I'll pick three recipes. I'll write out the ingredients, I'll write out my grocery list. I used to do this on Saturday or Sunday, but hey, maybe I do it on Fridays now. And I am all about the grocery delivery basically for the week, so that we pretty much have everything we need for dinners, and then midway through the weeks sometimes we need to do a little refresher shop for just like produce and milk. Yeah, now that sounds good. We don't have so much of a meal plan percent we're still most of the time getting the sun Basket kits two nights a week and so that generally covers Monday and Tuesday. Wednesday is breakfast for dinner, so that is eggs. Now, we've been doing waffles more often than pancakes. Partly it's just that our crusties mixed. The waffle mix is you could make it non dairy, whereas the pancakes have buttermilk in them. I guess I'm sure you can find ones that. But anyway, we or make them myself. But we've been doing the waffles because the kids like them better anyway, and bacon and fruit and it's great, everyone will eat it. Thursday is kind of the huh day, like we have to do if something have to eat, but we always do something like pasta that's a pretty common one. Or sometimes we have some sort of you know, meat we can unfreeze and either cook in some way, shape or form for adults. Sometimes I in the past have eaten out when I've been with Alex at karate. I'll just go grab a burrito or something nearby, and then Friday is make your own pizza night. We always have the dough, which, as we said, is part of my lunch now, but have the pizzas and people can make those and that's a pretty easy dinner too. So yeah, that means you only have to think about really one meal per week, but you don't plan it ahead. You just kind of like assume you'll hug something rounds soon we'll have something. I mean, nobody's starved yet. The thing is the kids are often eating something different than we are anyway. Although the past two nights they have had some component of the sun Basket kit. They had rice noodles and chicken and bakchoi, and we're okay with that. They just you know, didn't want the spicy Vietnamese curry sauce. And then they had pork tacos. I kept off some of the moho marinade and then they could have the pork and whatever, sour cream, cheese, guacamole. As you load those things up, so you're not even tasting anything that's in the burrito other than that the taco. I feel like they're getting less picky. I don't know about that, no, but I mean those were pretty non offensive like combinations. They are right, you know, if you can't eat rice noodles, well, Sam was complaining. He's like, I don't want to eat his plate chicken. I'm like, okay, you eat the curry. And the curry was a little spicy. He puts soy sauce on his chicken. But yeah, there you go, here you go. Yeah. So yeah, this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking all things lunch. Oh do we need a love of the week? Yes, okay, eat her love of the remember, Oh yeah, I told you mine in advance. Okay, already Wow, okay, so my love of the week. I just want to be super basic and uncool or something. But Taylor Swift, oh yes. So first of all, when this airs, I guess her new album will have come out. It's coming out like late October. Super excited for it. My kids are excited for it. But the reason I like Taylor Swift is I finally found an artist my children legitimately like and ask for that. I like, really really like, like before we had imagined dragons and I'm like tolerating it. And like they like to a lipa and like, I don't know, Genevieve likes Miley Cyrus, but I really like Taylor Swift and they really like Taylor Swift. So we've been listening to a mix of Taylor in the morning on the way to school and I sing along and it makes me so happy that they actually like it. And when she comes to South Florida, just watch out because we will have to go to our first family concert. Oh that sounds amazing. It's gonna be awesome. She'd better go start touring there. My love of the week, I'm going to say the slide doors on minivans, which you know, minivans have many wonderful attributes, but one of them is that your kids cannot hit the cars next to them in the parking lot right that they are just opening the door and it slides and you're within the thing. You know, we haven't had anyone bang into something yet, but it's like my nightmare that we are going to bang into somebody's car. And I'm always being like, watch how you open that, or here, let me open that door. If we're too close with a minivan, you don't have to do that. But sadly, I think you know we're we we need to replace our minivan at some point soon, and we were hoping to just get another Toyota Siena, right because it has all wheel drive. It's a good minivan. We need all wheel drive because we live on a hill in a place where it snows, so we'll be at the bottom of the hill if we're not careful. You can't get one. Oh can you get on like a waiting list to get one. That's what the dealerships around here wanted to do. They wanted us to put down a deposit, which is fine, like I'd be willing to do that. Said, it would be twelve months at least before we could get the top end on Sienna, and we had to commit to sell them ours. Well that part you probably don't mind. Well, oh, you might want it for a kid, Okay, never mind, right. And not only that, it was that we had to you know, they were saying, we want to buy it now, and we'll give you a in between car for that. Because everyone wants one of these, you can't buy them. You cannot buy So they wanted our old Sienna so they could resell it right immediately to somebody, and you know, they give us another minivan, but one of the ones that doesn't have all wheel drive and doesn't have the entertainment package. So it's like, no, you don't. That was going to be the hot ticket car. Why is it? Why? What's up with this Toyota? Like we're gonna wind up not buying another Toyota car because they can't get us a car that We have a Highlander Hybrid and I love it so much, but it does not solve the door banging problem. But we've trained our kids, like my husband's kind of obsessed with about that particular issue, so I think they really know not to bang the cars. Yeah, the only other minivan that has all wheel drive is like the Chrysler one, and I don't know, we weren't that you can get an electric one. So we're thinking, I may we may have to wind up with one of the big sevs, which is not really what I wanted to do. But unless I'm willing to put this off for another two years till like this all shakes out and Toyota stops acting like they have the Crown jewels, maybe there'll be a self driving one by that. Maybe I don't know, I don't know anyway, there's a bit of a diversion from my love of the week. But maybe whenever we get if we did manage to get in New Sienna, that will be your new love. There you go, my new love. All right. Well, this has been best of both worlds. We've mostly been talking lunch. We will be back next week with more on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoe box dot com or at the Underscore shoe Box on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more on making work and life work together.