How to Help Your Pets Live Longer with Dr. Ambika Vaid-Sidhu

[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I misunderstood with Rachel, you could tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Human food doesn't have the nutrients that dogs need.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just felt like there was something we were doing wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I realized I wanted to take a different look at things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any cable out there is just cooked at such high temperatures that all the nutrients you think you're getting out of it is just gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So giving them a dry food is just killing them internally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything goes a long way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exercise is so important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Filtered water if you're drinking filtered water, your dog goes air filtered water as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: people are getting on board with the fresh food diets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to get bigger and things are going to change and shift a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to misunderstood, I'm your host, Rachel, you could tell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we all know we go to the doctor when we are sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: We invest in nutritionists, supplements, energy healing, and longevity clinics for ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how often do we think about our pets' health the same way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Today's guest believes that our pets' deserve wellness routines as thoughtful as our own.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Enbeca Vade is a veterinarian who bridges the conventional medicine with holistic healing.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the veterinarian advisor to Katherine Hygel's Badland Ranch, and she's on a mission to extend the lives of the animals we love most.
[SPEAKER_00]: From gut health to energy medicine like acupuncture, she's challenging what we think we know about veterinary care and giving us the roadmack to keep our pets healthier, longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Want to keep your pet happier, healthier, and have them potentially live longer?
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely listen to this episode with Dr. Vade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Veya, thank you so much for joining me today on Miss understood how were you doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for having me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to challenge you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So where are you located?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Denver, Colorado.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how that was saying before we started, this is one of my favorite type of episodes to do, because if anyone is like me, and I'm sure you somewhat are, and we all love our pets like they are children, and for some of us, we like them more than we like human beings.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, anything we could do to make our pets live longer, we're all here for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that there is a huge misunderstanding
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we put so much into our own health, to human health.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we go to doctors, we seek out different kinds of doctors for longevity, for anti-aging, for certain issues within the body and spends hundreds of thousands of dollars in supplements, you know, throughout our lifetime.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all these crazy things, and
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's so much for humans, but it's not as well known.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think for pets, and they go to their standard veterinary, and they listen to what they're told, and food is a huge part of it too, but I want to have you uncover all of it, and so I think it's great that you're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to dive into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, alright, first, can you let our listeners know your background?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you get into becoming a vet, and then kind of decide the course that you were going to take within veterinary medicine?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've always known that I loved animals as one of those people that was just born with an intuition that I wanted to be a vet.
[SPEAKER_01]: My parents were a really big part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They helped me find a place to volunteer when I was 16 and I just kind of stuck to it since then.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I started off as a kennel tech picking up the poop, cleaning the kennels, and then moved my way up to reception, then better assistant vet tech, and then I went to vet school.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've kind of done it all, which is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get to be a part of all little
[SPEAKER_01]: pieces of it, which makes me just feel like I just know it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's all I know how to do with my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I ever stop being a vet, I think I would lose my place in this world.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then I went to, I went to undergrad in California and from California.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to that school right after an Arizona.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did a lot of shelter work while I was in the Arizona.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in a brand new school.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were close enough that we could drive out to Mexico.
[SPEAKER_01]: take a bunch of things with us and do free care for the people there, which was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great way for us to learn, but also help them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I, you know, got out into practice when to corporate, kind of the standard thing to do for a lot of people who are starting off.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want mentorship.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't learn as much as you want to in school.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had a dog who was about 15, who was just, you know, you know, those type of dogs that are so mentally there, but their bodies just give it out completely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the saddest thing in the world because you know, they want to stick around, but their bodies just not allowing them to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just felt like there was something we were doing wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: So after three years of practicing, I realized I wanted to take a different look at things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when I really got into the acupuncture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got certified in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting my masters in the herbs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go to all the conferences.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really big on food nutrition and just taking care of the whole body and seeing how much of a difference that makes that I'm just doing medications at things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the biggest misconception and it's is that it's fake, right, that this is just a bunch of hoca's poca's stuff and it doesn't really work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I really want to hear, okay, is this this falls under what holistic medicine integrates it integratives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or alternative.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to use it all at once.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it with modern medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be complimentary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but you know what it mean, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That this when you must suggest to a parent of a dog, to a human, listen, let's try this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you get a lot of pushback like, oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this really going to work?
[SPEAKER_00]: How does this affect dogs?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you hear mostly?
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the one thing is that it's a little bit more pricey and it takes longer to get effects.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people are like, I want answers now and I want something that's going to fix my dog today because I'm having time to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the case with alternative medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a little bit longer because you're working on fixing the body.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not just masking the symptoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, whenever I recommend it, some people are like, no, I'm not doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even talk to me about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, I work at a holistic hospital as well that I see people who are so into it and that helps me to kind of get the message across.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so now can you explain to our listeners what falls under the umbrella of this holistic and integrative medicine?
[SPEAKER_01]: so much, so food therapy is a really big part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Acupuncture, herbs, Chinese herbs, and Western herbs, you can do ozone therapy, stem cells, you can do PT, rehab, chiropractic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people are even doing rakey on their animals.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much that we just haven't, you know, dive into yet as a veterinary community.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I know you've written about food as medicine.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the biggest mistakes that we are making in feeding our dogs?
[SPEAKER_01]: feeding kibble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kibble is just any kibble out there is just cooked at such high temperatures that all the nutrients you think you're getting out of it is just gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not getting anything out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're carnivores.
[SPEAKER_01]: They grow up on meat.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how they were made.
[SPEAKER_01]: So giving them a dry food is just killing them internally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that always hurts my heart when I see a cat that's getting kibble because they need to be on a meat-only diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: the allergies that we're seeing in animals, the soap prone to allergies and ear infections and sneezing and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all food related.
[SPEAKER_01]: 70% of the immune cells are in the gut.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if your gut's not healthy, your entire body's gonna fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's talk about that a little more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've seen so many commercials and I use farmers dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but here's the problem, but my dogs are over it because it only comes in my three flavors.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like turkey chicken pork beef, maybe, or flavors.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for people that don't know, it comes frozen, you put it in the freezer, you take it out the night before, you add water to it, you mush it up, and then it's like supposed to be real food.
[SPEAKER_00]: The issue is, it's my dogs are completely on to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I have to order rotisserie chicken four days a week and put it in there with it or make salmon or my fiance makes steak.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I assume I'm doing bad things to my dogs, got, but you tell me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, are eating human food like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not talking about human food.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just talking about like chicken steak fish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that bad to be giving them?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you're not adding any,
[SPEAKER_01]: what's it called?
[SPEAKER_01]: Seasonings to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're just doing it bland and you're adding it as a top or that is absolutely fine because we're still getting all of their nutrients from their food that you're still giving them.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to replace it with just what is for you chicken and salmon, I would say don't do that because they're not getting a full balanced meal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Human food doesn't have the nutrients that dogs need, which is why these commercial companies are formulating them for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and what about the dry food?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you see the dried beef.
[SPEAKER_00]: I a lot of snacks have that, but like the freeze dried freeze dried.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so does that still count.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kibble is different.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's excluded and it's, you know, has a lot of filler and we're bunch of stuff and it that's not good for dogs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, air dried stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for example, badlands where I'm super food complete is an air dried, slowly cooked food.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means that they've gently cooked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the nutrients are still intact and then they've air dried it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: The raw freeze dried foods fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're giving them like, you know, the salmon,
[SPEAKER_01]: breathe dry treat.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the protein that's raw and then been freeze dried.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's completely fine because that still has the nutrients in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about, so tell me more about this gut health because I know you said that has a lot to do with their allergies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if somebody really is like, you know, they think that they're buying top of the line stuff that they're getting in the grocery store or at their vet,
[SPEAKER_00]: What should they be getting?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know you guys have a food.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have bad lands ramp, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so is that something you can order from anywhere in the United States?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chili.com, Amazon.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get it anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Badlands Ranch has their own website as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, my biggest recommendation is fresh old foods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever is giving you fresh whole foods, any type of kibble, not going to do that for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_01]: if you can't afford, because I know it's expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can't afford to do all of the badlands where I'm super food complete or all of a fresh food debt like farmers dog, even just a little bit, and portioning it, portioning it out is a great way to start getting them that nutrients that they need.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say you're doing half-kibble and half-fresh food.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's better than nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and should we believe in the stuff that they say on the packages?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is just for puppies, this is for old dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like is that a real thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: So puppies need higher amounts of calcium than adult dogs do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a really important for dogs to be getting a growing diet if they're growing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Badlands ranch does that as well as some of the other foods have a growing food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the foods will say all life stages.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means it's good for puppies, adults, and seniors.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just have different requirements as they age.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, a little bit more in food for one second because I have a very beloved dog who she is a pomeranian and when I got her, I was like, oh, I want a tea cup pomeranian, like one I can stick in my bag and bring everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this one has expanded like gremlins.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're too young.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's not about that movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: You add water and they blow up to be this big of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a monster.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's 20 pounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's been on a diet.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's probably six years old.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's been on a diet for maybe four years.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I love her so much that I can't start her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she makes these puppy eyes of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I want to give her a treat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what are your recommendations for people that have overweight pets?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know that is dangerous and not only for them inside, but for their bodies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's, you know, they're that breed is little.
[SPEAKER_00]: They develop knee problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like joint
[SPEAKER_00]: healthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need to keep our pets out of healthy weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how do we do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you get them to slim down?
[SPEAKER_01]: So exercise is huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure that you're exercising them as big, especially if they're on a weight loss diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest misconception people have is if I reduce their food they're going to lose weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not necessarily true.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you reduce their food, you're taking away the amount of nutrients that they need.
[SPEAKER_01]: So imagine yourself if you ate six blueberries a day and that was it because you want to lose weight, you're not getting any other nutrients, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing for dogs.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to keep them on a good diet so they're getting all their nutrients because if we reduce it too much, their body doesn't have enough to get energy from, so they're holding onto it longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a good food like farmers like that you're feeding or bedlands ranch, something like that is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do any kibble when it comes to treats, tried just broccoli, carrots, green beans, things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which will make her full and it's full of fibers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she won't feel like she's missing out on anything if she likes them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And blueberries, all that kind of stuff is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing you can do is if you're going to reduce her food, let's say instead of giving her a full cut, you're giving her three-fourths of a cup, you have to replace that one-fourths of a cup with something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's pumpkin puree, sweet potato, something that's full of fibers, which she still feels like she's full, but it's coming right out of her system.
[SPEAKER_01]: God.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a really great way to help them move weight, and then also, of course, the exercise of huge component of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs to just walk around a lot more to help get that way off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the brand, because some people wrote in some questions, Dr. Marty's, have you heard of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is a big brand that is promoted a lot?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's by a doctor, are you a fan of that brand?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Dr. Marty's is actually, he has a lot of information in a lot of knowledge and that's also a great food.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you talked about fruits before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that fruits are something that people, it's a misunderstood thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have people that are like, oh, I give my dog avocado where I've read avocado and grapes are completely dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: So can you give us a list of the foods we should avoid completely with our animals?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're right, avocados have a lot of fat in them, so they can lead to Pinkery Titus and dogs and cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would stay away from it, same with grapes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could cause acute kidney failure in cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely stay away from that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any type of nuts like walnuts, elements, things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a little bit, it's a healthy fat, but they have more fat in it than some of the other foods do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So stay away from all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the end of garlic can also have,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know that kind of effect if given too much can cause anemia.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would stick to apples, blueberries are really great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blackberries are fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Watermelon is fine, but everything in moderation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Too much of anything is going to cause an upset tummy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what about like things that we all have in our home?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like bananas, apple sauce, like are those all things that are fine?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be careful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the things that we have in our food nowadays, like they contain xylitol, which is a sugar, a type of sugar.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's toxic to dogs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have peanut butter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So some peanut butter is also have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something to just warn people about is yes peanut butter is okay for dogs, but you need to make sure in xylitol free because xylitol is toxic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a good piece of information because I know a lot of people use like peanut butter to put pills in or what I can make them take their pills.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very good piece of advice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about supplements now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to find out from you, which supplements because you see again, shells are lined with stuff like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just walk by them because it's too much information.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that if you have a good diet that your dog is on, you shouldn't need to supplement anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should be, you know, completely fully balanced nutrition, nutritionally.
[SPEAKER_01]: When your dog starts to age, for example, I have a nine year old.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not living or showing signs of arthritis, but we just assume that once they're seniors, they're going to have some type of arthritis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have put her on a joint supplement.
[SPEAKER_01]: I use the mobility by Badlands Rand because it has glucosamine and other good things that I want to help keep rejoice nice and healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not dealing with a dog that's debilitated later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same with like
[SPEAKER_01]: some dogs on their lab work can have like crystals in their urine because of what they're eating.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some veterinarians will recommend maintaining their diet to a prescription diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's actually supplements.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yourinary supplements, added that you can take to help fix that instead of putting them on a new prescription diet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would just, I would do the labs and things like that first before you go and just put your dog in a bunch of stuff because if they're eating a food like farmers dog, they don't need to be on any supplements.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're getting all their nutrients from their food.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but what about dogs like my dog just had double ACL surgery.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's limping all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always a problem and they're like, oh, you should give them give her supplements.
[SPEAKER_00]: But does the joint supplement mean anything at this point?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's already having problems with her joints.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it'll help.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll help her feel better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So most supplements that joint supplements have glucosamine, they have turmeric and then that's anti-inflammatory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something you might also want to consider is physical therapy and acupuncture.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be so helpful to take someone that pressure and get deep into her fascia to help with that pain response.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I want to talk about energy medicine for a second because, um, how does that even present itself?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they have to be sedated?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you get a dog to say no?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first, yeah, that's a great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first session for acupuncture, I feel like is a hit or miss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like dogs are usually like, what are you doing to me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't touch me.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I always do it with the owner.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll have the owner sit in the room with us, the owner's feeding
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually, the dog feels better, so the second time they're coming in, they're a little bit comer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the fifth or sixth session, they're letting me do whatever I need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll focus mainly on backpoints in the beginning, because that's easy to get to, and they don't really care about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as we do more and more sessions, I can start doing the legs, the head, the eyes, whatever else I need to, because there are a lot more comfortable with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how long did the needles have to be in?
[SPEAKER_00]: 20 30 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll usually I'll put one on the head, which is a common point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So once I put that and it sits for a little bit, they'll kind of relax.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll leave the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just mom and dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll just hang out for 20 minutes and then someone comes in and takes a needle that so that sounds really scary to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we live across the country from each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I would have said, okay, after this, I'm making an appointment with you from a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how do you actually find someone that really knows how to do this and is trained properly in dog acupuncture?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it easy to find someone in your area?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a website called IVAS.org that has all the certified acupuncturists in your area.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you really wanted to go to someone, all the veterinary certified acupuncturists, it'll pop up their location and their names.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most acupuncturists are mobile.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll come to your home and they'll do it in the comfort of your home, which is really nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, and okay, but is there some sort of major certification that is different on a dog than in a human or are the body parts all sort of the same like if you use one part of the body it's going to something.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I did an animal certification course, but I've seen human acupuncturists do acupuncture on dogs and have the same response.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know, it's really how comfortable you are with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really want to touch humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to learn about humans.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I focused on doing the veterinary medicine portion of it and I really focused on just the animal aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have seen some human, but human acupuncturists
[SPEAKER_00]: God, and just so people understand, what falls under the umbrella of things that you should go to an acupunctureist for for your animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people think it's just joint really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen people come in for masses and you can do things around the mass to help shrink it a little bit for poor energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's points that you can do for that for kind of kidney disease.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it for GI issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some really great, wonderful holistic doctors don't treat diarrhea with anything but acupuncture points.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll do a couple points, they don't even put them on any medication or diet change and that's all they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's true, it works really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can use it for moods, so if you have a dog that's really anxious or really nervous, you can use it for things like that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can really use it for a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used it once a dog came in for an ulcerist scratch on the cornea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a little bit of blood from him and I put it right back under his eye and acupuncture point and that I healed up more than it would have with an antibiotic weight mate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, and there's science behind there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's evidence-based.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just like you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just like magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's actual evidence behind how the body functions together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people have written in to me and talked about dogs itching or biting on their paws.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think there's been some studies that this is, it could be allergies from your grass, from your food.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be anxiety or their board.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you, what would you do for dogs that have itch, you know, biting on their feet?
[SPEAKER_01]: So first we want to rule out what type of allergy it is, and I always, the first thing I do is do is diet change.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first thing I do is if your dog is on kibble, I always try to get the one to a fresh food diet, and I always try to change their protein source.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm such a big fan of badlands ranch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's absolutely no fillers in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no corn, there's no wheat, there's no soy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the things that cause allergies.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have a protein allergy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So getting on a fresh fresh food or food like that, you're taking all the allergens out of the
[SPEAKER_01]: If the food doesn't help, that means yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have an environmental allergy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Topical therapy is the best for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people like the steroids and the apical and medication like that for allergies, those are immunosuppressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, it may fix one problem, but eventually it's gonna cause tons of other problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just fixing, you know, we're masking the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will do a lot of popular therapy if you know that your does learn to grasp when you bring them back home, clean their paws up, pick a couple extra minutes, clean their paws with a little, you know, paw wash, put a little medicated wipe on them and usually that does the trick, you don't need to do anything more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so if I'm a pet parent and I want to give my dog or cat the longest life possible, obviously we've talked about a couple of things, change from cable, that kind of stuff, maybe look at what, you know, doing some acupuncture, looking at the gut health.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, how do we, how do we know if they're starting to feel sick or that their age is starting to show?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it represents
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question, so in holistic medicine, we do a very specific type of exam.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll check their pulses, we'll check their tonne, but we also check their coat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of those things show us signs of early aging and things that we need to start working on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in conventional medicine, you're checking baseline lab work, which is your basic blood work, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to deliver kidney values, you're your analysis, and maybe you're checking for anemia.
[SPEAKER_01]: In holistic medicine, we take it a step further.
[SPEAKER_01]: We check for vitamins that are essential for dogs to live in age naturally.
[SPEAKER_01]: If vitamin D, magnesium, cobalenine, folate are low, that's a sign that they're not getting it nutritionally, and they're going to start showing signs of aging and disease soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then we'll supplement those things into their diet with liquids or capsules, things like that, and retest them every few months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there some sort of warning sign that you know that you would like people to hear that they should look out for that they should immediately like start changing something and go to a vet like you that way that we may not know of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if your dog has chronic ear infections, is slowing down, is not wanting to eat anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always has diarrhea that you're having to get treated every few months.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not normal, that shouldn't be happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a sign that there's a bigger root cause that we're not treating and we need to dive in deeper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because it's interesting, you know, I follow a bunch of people that talk about their dogs all the time, and next thing you know, the dogs like dead and they just found out the dog had cancer and it's really setting for the entire internet to watch this happen, but it seems like it comes on so quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that's it that I just feel like there's got to be ways to have seen these signs a lot earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like as a pet owner, you really know your pet, almost like you know your kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know when something's off, but you know, people kind of hesitate to bring the dog to the vet because sometimes we don't even feel like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not that vets don't know what they're doing, but vets sometimes just look in the years, look around, look at the gums and they're like, no, let's just put them on this for a couple days and you'll be fine and you have a $500 vet bill, so people I think hesitate and they just wait it out and I
[SPEAKER_01]: understand that I think the cost of veterinary medicine is a big topic right now and I think when we're like I want to do blood work and I want to do this it's really scary because insurance doesn't always cover that you know and so people are like well I'm not going to do that my dog is fine the other thing as well is that dogs are like family nowadays they're like hits to people so they can't even imagine anything being wrong with them so it's really hard to
[SPEAKER_01]: I had one client who came in recently, she's my favorite lady, but she adopted a dog from a rescue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the dog had terrible anxiety, and then started itchy, and she was like, I just want my apple quilts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it works, and it's quick and easy, and it's fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I fought her so hard on it, and I was like, I promise you, if you change the diet, and it doesn't work, I'll pay for your bill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I promise you, the dog, she begrudgingly changed herself, sat with me, that I wouldn't give it the apple.
[SPEAKER_01]: changed a diet, gave it six weeks came back, his anxiety was gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't itchy anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't have a bunch of bills for medications that you didn't need in the first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: All you're doing is feeding your dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to worry about medicating them or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a concept that is really hard to understand for some people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about herbal medicines earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like a bunch of
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great question too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when we look at baseline lab work in holistic or integrated medicine, if it's in the normal range, but on the verge of too high or too low, we look at things like that because we want to catch things before they happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to prevent things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will put patients on herbs to help support their thyroid or their kidney if I feel like they're on the verge of showing signs of disease.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some conventional doctors see normal and that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't really go that extra step, which is when we start to see disease and then you treat the disease after it's already occurred.
[SPEAKER_01]: We try to do that before it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where the herbs kind of come into play.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you know, I've used herbs, so some things we can't treat and we have no way of
[SPEAKER_01]: Making sure it doesn't happen like pomeranians are prone to collapsing trickier as they age They have, you know that cartilage gets weaker as they get older.
[SPEAKER_01]: They start to have this gross goose honking cough Yes, slippery l what you can get online and I can give you right into one
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wonderful herb.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an absolutely wonderful herb.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really helps to moisten the any mucous membrane.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also really good for digestion, but I use that for claps and trickiers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to go on any other medication, any cough suppressant, anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they've put her on so many things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put her on Serenia, is that, do you know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like the middle of the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: She wakes herself up and me five times the night with this terrible, she's coughing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when other people here, they're like, oh my God, is she okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this has been happening for four years.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just what she has.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know immediately it was a collapsing trickier, which, of course, that scares me because you never know when that's going to be so serious that you can't breathe.
[SPEAKER_00]: but I've been managing it with regular medicine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, no, I'm glad you brought that up because I will try the slippery arm because, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just remember it's it's an herb.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to take longer to take effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's something that like some people will get impatient about is I gave it a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm over it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: holistic medicine, alternative medicine, it takes time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's making changes in your body.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take time to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just don't give up on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say do it for a month and then see how things go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is similar to the advice they give you with stem cell treatment and you too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you go, I just went to Panama and I got stem cells and part of the thing that they were explaining to me is like don't think that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: tomorrow you're going to feel better.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is within.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's been the worst part of coming home from it because I'm like, okay, I should be looking like I'm 17.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's only been a month and they keep saying, you know, like you got to give it a couple of months to really find its way through your body and integrate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And do
[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do stem cells into the joints.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it for a lot of different reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it mainly in the joints for dogs that are really showing debilitating signs of arthritis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll put it into the joints to help them walk better and save their joints while they can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, when is the point that you know you have to integrate the two medicines, though?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what you guys offer might not be enough that you have to call in a red, the regular veterinary and medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So believe it or not, usually holistic medicine is a second opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we get all the really hard complicated cases because they can't just figure out what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So cases like immune-mediated diseases, like a dog that has immune-mediated hemolytic andemia, they need to be on steroids to help manage this because if they don't, their anemic gets a little bit dull die.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will still keep them on their medication, but start doing things like acupuncture, ozone therapy, and we will do some herbs to help support their immune system and their help so that they can taper that dosing of steroid to the
[SPEAKER_01]: dogs that have not like if you have a UTI, of course, I'm going to give you antibiotics.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that we don't believe in antibiotics, but if we're going to do that, you need to also give a probiotic, you need to also support the immune system, because antibiotics are still killing that gut health that we need.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said ozone therapy.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ozone Therapy is a, it's been around for a hundred years.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big prank that you sit in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, that's hyperbaric chamber.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ozone Therapy is when you have an oxygenated, it has an extra piece of oxygen attached to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just oxygenated air, essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it helps with cancer, immune system, wound healing, so many things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a friend whose dog had osteosarcoma that she was, she bought an Ozone machine
[SPEAKER_01]: energy to give her dog energy while they're dealing with the cancer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a really, really great way to help boost the immune system.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a healing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It helps with healing.
[SPEAKER_01]: People do it in humans as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does red light therapy work in dogs like it doesn't and yeah it does laser therapy is wonderful I'll use it sometimes as a secondary thing to acupuncture I'll do acupuncture and I'll do laser on top of a part that's really painful or if I noticed that I got a pain response somewhere during my needle and I'll do like a little bit of a localized laser there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We usually do therapy for wound healing as well so after I spare a newter if I took a bunch of teeth out will do some laser therapy there for inflammation got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, how do you measure success and extending a pet's health span, not just the lifespan?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I look at, again, the whole pet.
[SPEAKER_01]: If, if your pet is debilitated and yes, they're eating, but you have to force it and they're not really going on walks and they don't have a good lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean that I'm doing my job well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want the dog to be able to do things that they love.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want him to go first walks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to play if they want to and be happy with they eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so those are the things that we really look for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the owners are a big part of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you, you guys are giving us a history.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're telling us what's the normal one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not know more for your pet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really big part of making sure that we're successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is totally off topic, random question.
[SPEAKER_00]: But do dogs get headaches?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I know of.
[SPEAKER_00]: like how do we know you know like we know when we have aches and pains all the time and sometimes we don't complain about it but we still don't feel well and you look at a dog and they might be sleeping but as soon as they see you they're happy to see you they want to run around I mean unless they really don't feel well you know it because they're not eating and by then
[SPEAKER_00]: you really got a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, how do we know if they kind of don't feel well?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, us, do they get that feeling of feeling nauseous?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, some dogs who are nauseous or are not feeling a little tummy-wise, they'll start eating grass, or be slower to eat their food instead of eating it immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if they're staying in bed later than usual, or nothing more than they usually do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not limping, but they're licking in one location over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means that spot is painful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're licking it because it hurts.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's usually a sign as well that something is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just get into the myths and misconceptions a little bit before we end.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is the biggest misconception about holistic vet care?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was what you said earlier that it's just a bunch of hope is pocus and it's not real, but a lot of things that we're doing is evidence-based medicine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to just throw things at your dog but don't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're using it because it has shown to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: We use a lot of studies from human medicine because there's not a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: and dogs get.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the microbiome studies and things like that from kids and from people and using that in animals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's been working for us, it's going to work for our pets as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious what your biggest frustration is within the pet health industry right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any sort of information they're coming out with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the fact that people get so much of their information on TikTok or Instagram or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is frustrating about that
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's so many people out there who are not licensed or certified to be giving advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you're going to be getting advice from people, just check the credentials and see who they actually are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like just because they say they're nutritionist doesn't mean that they're veterinary nutritionist who has who is born certified.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a huge divide in veterinary medicine, most conventional veterinarians, don't really believe in fresh food.
[SPEAKER_01]: They still think that kibble is fine and prescription diets are fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're pushing that, which can get really, really confusing for clients and for people, who just want to care for their pets.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you think about it, if you aren't a good food for yourself, doesn't your dog want the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a lot, you know, there's sometimes there's a lot of pushback from just, you have to change the way that you think, if you're going to be in the holistic space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right, you're advising Badlands Ranch, which is all about, um, elevating pet house.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you talk a little bit about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Katherine Higel's brand, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a brand or a place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a place to, I think it's named after her ranch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Deanna Kipoli.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I read that that it was named after her ranch, but I didn't know if the food was made there or what, but no, the food is made in an actual food facility.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it's a it's a brand of food.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell us a little bit about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about it a little bit at the beginning, but tell us about it and then the other products may be that you guys sell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have the biggest thing is a superfood complete, which you can use as a top or a full meal.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a variety of different flavors, different proteins that they use, and organ meats.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really special.
[SPEAKER_01]: Organ meats are full of nutrients, vitamins, and minerals, and amino acid profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're getting a lot of that in the meat, in the food itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also use superfoods, so they have blueberries.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have the lides made mushroom, which is really good for cognitive health.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have an older dog, it's really good for preventing dementia, preventing those slowing down symptoms.
[SPEAKER_01]: um blueberries, turmeric, that kind of stuff is a really good antioxidant anti-inflammatory.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have all of these real ingredients in their food.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, no corn, no soy, no wheat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not worried about the allergens.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have a dog that's allergic to chicken or beef, you have different options.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a turkey, they have a venison, they have a lamb, my dog loves a lamb.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I use it as a topper.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a crunch.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different type of texture.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best thing about it is that it's gently cooked, so we're not worried about the nutrients being taken out of the food.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know that it's going to be in there and we're getting what what we're paying for essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also have tons of supplements.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a freeze drive, they have freeze drive treats.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have the different single ingredient freeze drive treats.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just protein-based salmon, I think, is the one you have beef or chicken.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just freeze-dried protein.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all you're getting out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else, which is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to
[SPEAKER_01]: The supplements are also wonderful, so my dog has itchy skin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll put her on the supplement during the summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: The skin and coat supplement and they love the taste of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like my dog will lick the bowl clean when I have that powder in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like working with the brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in their product, but they also do a lot of philanthropic work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So proceeds from the food will go towards shelter animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we're you know that's awesome and I spent a lot of time doing shelter work when I was in that school so that spoke to me a lot just to see Katherine out there and helping shelters and helping rescue.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's part of the high-girl found foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the Jason, the deepest high-girl foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, just two more questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, just to be sustained and if anyone listening today has listened to this and said, well what change can I make today?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've all realized that you got to get your dog off of
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we want our dogs to live longer, is there one thing you would say, guys, it really would change us, whether it's eat blueberries, whether it's, you know, change the water, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what would you say is the one thing to make sure they start living longer now?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you're going to hate this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the food.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the 100% the food.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's if you can't afford the fresh food or that you're dried or the freeze dried start incorporating a little bit into their diet anything goes a long way and again like a routine is so important exercise is so important filtered water if you're drinking filtered water your dog visitors filtered water as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just think of what you would want out of your self-care routine and think of your dogs in the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if people are going on Badlands Ranch, which supplement is a one standard, like a multivitum or something that we would get, what would you pick for that?
[SPEAKER_01]: They have one, which I can't, it's the super 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: The badlands were in super, super 20 is the all in one multivitamin that you can, if you wanna start early, you can start on that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last question, where do you see veterinary medicine in the next 10 to 20 years?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think holistic medicine will become a much bigger deal and part of veterinary medicine that it is now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do think in the three years that I've been doing it, I think there's been a huge shift already.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are getting on kind of onboard with the fresh food diets.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see these big, you know, the prescription diets.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see that they're starting to make fresh foods as well because they know the trend is changing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's wonderful for our pets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to get bigger and things are going to change and shift a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's location-dependent when I went to California.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot more people who are interested in holistic medicine than they are in Denver.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just getting people educated about it enough to have them come back and consider it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, tell people where they can find your more information about you, where do you, you have an Instagram, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Enbecavade is my Instagram, so you can follow me there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they can get Bedlands Ranch where?
[SPEAKER_01]: On BedlandsRange.com as well as MSL.com and chewy.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate your help.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to order some of this stuff today and I will let my listeners know how it goes, but I wish you the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for this conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so nice to chat with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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