SASQUATCH STOOD OUTSIDE MY WINDOW FOR 15 MINUTES | THE OUACHITA NATIONAL FOREST IN ARKANSAS

<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. Today,
<v Speaker 1>I'm joined by Pamela from Arkansas. She is a Cherokee
<v Speaker 1>woman with a lifetime of encounters that stretch across the
<v Speaker 1>Appalachian Mountains, Arkansas Forest, and Deep Creek bottoms. One day,
<v Speaker 1>she was outside asking God why for a certain situation,
<v Speaker 1>and she heard a powerful sasquatch vocalization out in the forest.
<v Speaker 1>She's had massive rocks thrown at her vehicle, and she
<v Speaker 1>has come face to face with something that filled an
<v Speaker 1>entire window and silently watched her for fifteen minutes. Pamela's
<v Speaker 1>story is layered intense and deeply personal. This is an
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<v Speaker 1>With all that being said, let's dive straight into Pamela's
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot encounters from the State of Arkansas. All right, Pamela,
<v Speaker 1>welcome Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today?
<v Speaker 2>I'm great. How are you?
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing excellent. Thank you so much for asking. Pamela,
<v Speaker 1>if you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters and experiences from
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, please, okay.
<v Speaker 2>I was born in Texas. I was a Texas girl
<v Speaker 2>and my dad's Cherokee Indian, and I was raised in
<v Speaker 2>the woods. I had a brother that was a government
<v Speaker 2>trapper for years, and I grew up there and then
<v Speaker 2>I came to Arkansas. That's where most of this stuff
<v Speaker 2>is going on in Arkansas, and I had a girlfriend
<v Speaker 2>that I was staying with and that's when my first
<v Speaker 2>and real encounter with sasquatch happened. But I was introduced
<v Speaker 2>to him when I was sixteen with my dad. We
<v Speaker 2>had traveled to Kentucky and he wanted to go see
<v Speaker 2>his uncle, who was a moonshiner in the Appalachian Mountains.
<v Speaker 2>So we took a ride and he was at the
<v Speaker 2>base of the mountain and he started yelling, Uncle Tigue,
<v Speaker 2>don't shoot don't shoot Uncle Tig and a gentleman came
<v Speaker 2>down and I finally got to meet him, but he
<v Speaker 2>recognized my dad and he was telling my dad that
<v Speaker 2>he was having trouble with the Sasquatch around there, and
<v Speaker 2>they what they were doing is they were drinking the
<v Speaker 2>moonshine and getting drunk and wrecking the steals. So anyway,
<v Speaker 2>he did shoot at him a couple of times, but
<v Speaker 2>that was my only introduction to what those were. So
<v Speaker 2>and then later on when I got to Arkansas, I
<v Speaker 2>was out and I was. The reason I was in
<v Speaker 2>Arkansas was because my friend was basically saving my life.
<v Speaker 2>She was. She came and got me, and I was
<v Speaker 2>in the Ozarks. She lived in the lives in the Ozarks,
<v Speaker 2>and so I was up there and I was out
<v Speaker 2>on one of the mountains and I was just mad
<v Speaker 2>at God, and so I was slinging my arms and
<v Speaker 2>there was not slinging and everything, and I was, you know,
<v Speaker 2>saying I've served you all my life. Why this and
<v Speaker 2>why that? And about that time and I heard a
<v Speaker 2>whoop and I thought, well, I recognize that, but it
<v Speaker 2>didn't stop me. I was still in my pity party
<v Speaker 2>and still doing you know, my arms, flinging my arms
<v Speaker 2>and just screaming at God. And the next time it
<v Speaker 2>was it was one of those long yells they did,
<v Speaker 2>and that got my attention, and so I looked over
<v Speaker 2>to where on the next mountain where it was coming from,
<v Speaker 2>and I saw one of the pine trees shaking, and
<v Speaker 2>about that time it crashed down. So he had pushed
<v Speaker 2>a pine tree over, and I was I was like, man,
<v Speaker 2>what a what a what a good thing? You know,
<v Speaker 2>this got me out of my pity party, Thank you God,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so I ran ran down the little
<v Speaker 2>switch back to her cabin and I was like, you've
<v Speaker 2>got a sasquatch. You've got a sasquatch. She says, we
<v Speaker 2>don't have sasquatch here, and I said, yes, you do, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>you do. So it was a couple of days later
<v Speaker 2>I kind of blew it off because I could tell
<v Speaker 2>that they were not receptive. So I blew it off,
<v Speaker 2>and I worked at nights. I had gotten a job
<v Speaker 2>working at nights, and so I was down. And once
<v Speaker 2>you get down some switchbacks, then you go to a
<v Speaker 2>little low water bridge and you have to get out
<v Speaker 2>of your car, open the gate and swing it open.
<v Speaker 2>And then and then of course you drive through it
<v Speaker 2>and you lock it back. As I was getting i'd
<v Speaker 2>opened the gate, and as I was getting back into
<v Speaker 2>the car, a boulder came over the car and peemed
<v Speaker 2>the side of a rail that was underneath it let
<v Speaker 2>the water run through the creek, and so I knew
<v Speaker 2>what it was. I recognized it, and so I looked around,
<v Speaker 2>didn't see anything, and all I said out loud was
<v Speaker 2>that I know you're here, and I'm not going to
<v Speaker 2>hurt you, and I'm not afraid of you, even though
<v Speaker 2>I really was. But I said that, I got back
<v Speaker 2>in the car and did the thing, and I never
<v Speaker 2>had another experience at that at that place. And let's
<v Speaker 2>see then, I oh, I forgot to tell you that
<v Speaker 2>I was a part of the Texas Bigfit Association at
<v Speaker 2>one point right before I got up here, and I
<v Speaker 2>actually it was before Bob Gimblin had passed away, and
<v Speaker 2>I got to speak with him outside for about thirty
<v Speaker 2>minutes or so, and he told me of you know,
<v Speaker 2>their encounters and things like that, and what he was
<v Speaker 2>thinking at the time that it was going on that
<v Speaker 2>they were filming Patty, and that was very interesting. But
<v Speaker 2>once I got back up here. Then I thought, I'm okay, Well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I'm supposed to be in Arkansas. So
<v Speaker 2>I decided to go back to Texas, take care of
<v Speaker 2>some things, and then come back. And so when I
<v Speaker 2>came back, then I ended up maring a guy from Arkansas.
<v Speaker 2>And we live in central Arkansas. So anyway, I had
<v Speaker 2>another thing that happened. And this was the last weekend.
<v Speaker 2>My husband had gone to bed because he works hard.
<v Speaker 2>He's a physical worker, that sort of thing, and so
<v Speaker 2>he had gone to bed already, and I wasn't ready
<v Speaker 2>to go to sleep. And we have a recliner, and
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at my phone and whatnot. But something
<v Speaker 2>in front. I have shears in front of the window
<v Speaker 2>in front of the recliner, and I looked up and
<v Speaker 2>there was a sasquatch there. He was off a little
<v Speaker 2>bit from the window. I could not see his head
<v Speaker 2>because it was above the window, but his whole body
<v Speaker 2>I missed. I guess it would would if he was
<v Speaker 2>looking at the house. It would have been. His left
<v Speaker 2>arm was to the side, so I couldn't see it,
<v Speaker 2>but he took up the whole window and it's three
<v Speaker 2>foot and so anyway, I sat there and I thought, okay,
<v Speaker 2>well what do I do. I don't want to pick
<v Speaker 2>up my phone because I don't want him to see
<v Speaker 2>the light, and it scared him away, and he just
<v Speaker 2>stood there. I mean this was ten or fifteen minutes.
<v Speaker 2>I watched him stand there. He did move his arms,
<v Speaker 2>but that was it. He didn't do anything. He didn't
<v Speaker 2>slap the side of the house. He didn't yell or
<v Speaker 2>anything else. And so I thought, well, do I wake
<v Speaker 2>my husband up? No, because then he'll what he'll do
<v Speaker 2>is grab a gun and go out and scare him
<v Speaker 2>off or whatever. And I felt no fear. I just
<v Speaker 2>knew that he was there. I could see a silhouette
<v Speaker 2>and I enjoyed that time actually, and I finally I
<v Speaker 2>fell asleep on the sofa. So anyway, the next day
<v Speaker 2>I didn't I said something to my husband about he
<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, just kind of like you know most people. No,
<v Speaker 2>you didn't, you didn't see that, I said, yes, I did.
<v Speaker 2>I know what I saw. It's okay, no big deal.
<v Speaker 2>So we didn't bring it up. Well, yesterday I was
<v Speaker 2>on our I guess it was day before yesterday. I
<v Speaker 2>was on the porch. Must have been no, I guess
<v Speaker 2>it was Monday yesterday. I was on the porch and
<v Speaker 2>I looked over to the left and I saw a footprint.
<v Speaker 2>I've got a picture that footprint. I mean, I see
<v Speaker 2>where the the digits are and where the mid torso
<v Speaker 2>break is and all of that stuff. And I was like,
<v Speaker 2>I took pictures. It's fourteen inches. I don't I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was probably I don't know, ten foot
<v Speaker 2>nine nine or ten foot tall. It's what I can guesstimate.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I took that photo, and uh so that's
<v Speaker 2>where I am today. So there's been a lot of
<v Speaker 2>lots it's happened, but those are the only bigfoot encounters
<v Speaker 2>that I've actually had.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Pamela, Well, I appreciate you for sharing that. And
<v Speaker 1>whenever you and your father visited the Moonshiners, what exactly
<v Speaker 1>did they tell you?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said that he was having trouble lately because
<v Speaker 2>they kept wrecking the stills. And he said what he
<v Speaker 2>figured out is they got drunk off the alcohol and
<v Speaker 2>then it just started, you know, messing up the stuff.
<v Speaker 2>But they came back, he said, four or five times
<v Speaker 2>at that point, and he didn't know what he was
<v Speaker 2>going to do if he was going to have to
<v Speaker 2>move it or what. But it was close to where
<v Speaker 2>he lives, so he didn't really want to do that.
<v Speaker 2>But they would wreck it. They would wreck them the
<v Speaker 2>all the pots and all of that stuff, and they
<v Speaker 2>would drink all the moonshine that was in there. They
<v Speaker 2>loved the corn. They had a lot of corn. So
<v Speaker 2>that's that's basically all he said. Dad started laughing and
<v Speaker 2>that was that was the extent of that conversation.
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, that's incredible. I wonder if they were after
<v Speaker 1>the alcohol itself or the mash, like you mentioned the corn.
<v Speaker 1>And I've heard from guests in the past that these
<v Speaker 1>creatures love mash and apparently the conservation agents and Southern
<v Speaker 1>Missouri use it to get photos of the Sasquatch. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's true, but that came from one
<v Speaker 1>of my past guests who lives in this giant conservation
<v Speaker 1>area in southern Missouri, and apparently he's talked to the
<v Speaker 1>conservation people out there, and that's what they said, that
<v Speaker 1>they would feed these things mash and they love it
<v Speaker 1>and they can't resist it, like they they really like it,
<v Speaker 1>and that's how they get their photos.
<v Speaker 2>I'll be yeah, I hadn't heard that before, but I
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just was intently, you know, listening or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>and so, but then they started on other stuff.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and he claims that he shot at the
<v Speaker 1>creatures several times.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he shot shot at him. He didn't he
<v Speaker 2>didn't try to hit them because he was afraid that
<v Speaker 2>they would hurt him. So because he said there were several,
<v Speaker 2>like four or I think he said, yeah, I think
<v Speaker 2>he said four. And he said that he was afraid
<v Speaker 2>that they would hurt him if he didn't kill him.
<v Speaker 2>And he didn't his gun. He didn't think it was
<v Speaker 2>going to be enough to really do anything, so he
<v Speaker 2>would shoot over their heads. So and then they would
<v Speaker 2>run off. Of course they would return, you know, in
<v Speaker 2>a couple of days.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, in what state did that happen?
<v Speaker 2>In? Kentucky?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Kentucky. I wonder if that was close to LBL
<v Speaker 1>or the Daniel Boone National Forest.
<v Speaker 2>Oh possibly, I just don't worry. I don't remember, you know,
<v Speaker 2>being sixteen, I don't think we ever talked about where
<v Speaker 2>exactly we were. But I just but yeah, that could
<v Speaker 2>possibly be.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I find it very interesting that I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it's not interesting that you were angry at God, But
<v Speaker 1>whenever you were out there wondering why, you heard this
<v Speaker 1>whoop and then you heard a loud vocalization followed by
<v Speaker 1>a big pine tree being shaken around and then it
<v Speaker 1>pushed over the pine tree. That's interesting because whenever I
<v Speaker 1>had my bigfoot encounters, I was doing the same thing.
<v Speaker 1>I was beating myself up, wondering why, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>really questioning life. And then I seen the sasquatch on
<v Speaker 1>two different occasions. I seen two different creatures, and then,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it really changed my life. It changed my
<v Speaker 1>outlook and I realized that there was a lot more
<v Speaker 1>out there than just my problems that I was focusing on.
<v Speaker 1>And it made me realize that the problems I was
<v Speaker 1>focusing on were never going to change, and there's a
<v Speaker 1>lot more out there to life.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, I just I took it. As you know,
<v Speaker 2>God had a sense of humor, and he was getting
<v Speaker 2>me out of my pity party. It was allowing me
<v Speaker 2>to see that or hear that. Yeah, and I think
<v Speaker 2>that was just loud. He heard me. I'm sure he
<v Speaker 2>heard me because I was I mean, I was yelling
<v Speaker 2>and screaming and stuff, you know, and expressing myself and
<v Speaker 2>so possibly maybe I don't know, maybe he was I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, just trying to get my attention somehow. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And you always hear people say that God works
<v Speaker 1>in mysterious ways, and whenever I had my encounters, I
<v Speaker 1>really felt that was true. And sometimes you just have
<v Speaker 1>to keep pushing through the pain and something good will happen.
<v Speaker 1>Do you do you think that these creatures are good?
<v Speaker 2>I think some are. I think that they're just like humans.
<v Speaker 2>I think that some are some are good, some are bad.
<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, I'm sure of that. As a matter
<v Speaker 2>of fact. There's a man in that I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>He lives in Saline County, which is the same washitaws
<v Speaker 2>that I have right here behind my house. But he
<v Speaker 2>he stated that there are you know, they have uh
<v Speaker 2>he he thinks that they have one that has down syndrome. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>He says that he's seen it in the eyes and whatnot.
<v Speaker 2>He thinks that they're down syndrome or that one is.
<v Speaker 2>So I think that they could have similar problems like
<v Speaker 2>humans do. And so he because he said that that
<v Speaker 2>one is very gentle. Uh. It seems in his actions
<v Speaker 2>and stuff is very gentle, which you know that. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I had a friend with a child down syndrome and
<v Speaker 2>it was very gentle. You know, that child was very
<v Speaker 2>gentle and kind. But anyway, I don't know. I really
<v Speaker 2>don't know. All I know is I think some are
<v Speaker 2>and some aren't. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I've speculated the same thing that possibly they have
<v Speaker 1>Down syndrome, and I've heard it from a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>The vocal vocalizations that I've heard out in the forest
<v Speaker 1>and that I've recorded on my audio recorder, it almost
<v Speaker 1>sounds like Homer Simpson or some type of cave band.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can tell that there's something wrong with them,
<v Speaker 1>and possibly they're inbreeding with, you know, the family. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's a possibility. But as far as there
<v Speaker 1>being good ones and bad ones, I think you nailed
<v Speaker 1>it on the head. There's good people out there and
<v Speaker 1>then there's bad people. And it goes with everything, even wildlife.
<v Speaker 1>You know, not every shark that you run into is
<v Speaker 1>gonna try to eat you. And say with like a bear,
<v Speaker 1>or even like angels in heaven, just because you run
<v Speaker 1>into an angel doesn't mean it's a good angel. Sometimes
<v Speaker 1>they're good. Sometimes they're bad, depending on which side you know,
<v Speaker 1>which ones you run into. So I think that goes
<v Speaker 1>with anything in life.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, I had an encounter with an angel once,
<v Speaker 2>so yes, I mean I had probably I had read
<v Speaker 2>a book that weekend. I had read a book on
<v Speaker 2>angels or whatever, and I was just you know, and
<v Speaker 2>it was a im in my life where God was
<v Speaker 2>really speaking to me in different ways and whatnot. But anyway,
<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, man, I would love to see a
<v Speaker 2>warring angel. He came to my work at a bank.
<v Speaker 2>He of course he didn't have wings or whatever, but
<v Speaker 2>he was seven foot tall and he was a black man.
<v Speaker 2>He came in as a black man, and he asked
<v Speaker 2>for me, and they came and got me. Because I
<v Speaker 2>used to do the pays and returns in a bank
<v Speaker 2>and I had an office. They came and got me
<v Speaker 2>and said there was a gentleman there to see me,
<v Speaker 2>and supposedly he had information about somebody's checks or something
<v Speaker 2>that was coming through. So I went out there and
<v Speaker 2>I looked at him and I said, in the in
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the lobby, I said, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>you're as big as the warring angels. I've been reading
<v Speaker 2>about and he winked at me, never said a word,
<v Speaker 2>and handed me a scroll, and so I took it
<v Speaker 2>and I was like okay, and then so anyway, he
<v Speaker 2>turned around and walked out, and I went back to
<v Speaker 2>my office and the scroll disappeared in my hands. So
<v Speaker 2>I knew that God had let me see that warring
<v Speaker 2>angel because he wasn't even there. He didn't even represent
<v Speaker 2>the company, because I called the company saying this gentleman
<v Speaker 2>just walked out and the paperwork he gave me just
<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know, just disappeared, and they said, we
<v Speaker 2>don't have anybody by that size or anybody that by
<v Speaker 2>that description or anything like that that works for us.
<v Speaker 2>So that was one incident. So I thought that was
<v Speaker 2>very interesting, very interesting.
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Did you ever read the scroll?
<v Speaker 2>No, it just it just kind of like fell apart,
<v Speaker 2>like like if it were ashes. It just fell apart.
<v Speaker 2>It just dissipated, it just disappeared. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>No, I believe you a lot of times they say
<v Speaker 1>that you could possibly run into an angel or be
<v Speaker 1>talking to one and you don't even realize that it's
<v Speaker 1>an angel.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, well I had, you know, where I was
<v Speaker 2>broken down on the side of highways and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>where angels picked me up and I get out of
<v Speaker 2>the car and I turn around to tell them goodbye,
<v Speaker 2>and they're gone. The car's gone. They're gone. There's nobody
<v Speaker 2>on the highway. So I mean things like that have
<v Speaker 2>always happened. We just don't recognize them, you know. For
<v Speaker 2>people are so busy that they don't recognize stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>But for some reason I did.
<v Speaker 1>So, Yeah, that is interesting. What other experiences have you
<v Speaker 1>had with the supernatural or the divine or even the paranormal?
<v Speaker 1>Can you describe some of that?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, let's see. The first thing would be I
<v Speaker 2>was on my way home at lunch from that particular
<v Speaker 2>bank and there was a horrible storm going on and
<v Speaker 2>the I was sitting in a stop light and it
<v Speaker 2>was a little town. It's real small town. There was
<v Speaker 2>only one stop light, and I was sitting there and
<v Speaker 2>lightning struck my car and the fire danced all around
<v Speaker 2>my car. I watched it, but I thought I thought
<v Speaker 2>it busted my ear drums because it was so loud
<v Speaker 2>and about and I sat there, I couldn't move or anything.
<v Speaker 2>And of course, you know, I saw vision and whatnot.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, and so the fire department and ems came
<v Speaker 2>to see if I was okay, and I was okay.
<v Speaker 2>But after that I made this banner. And this banner
<v Speaker 2>was like eight foot and it was beautiful. But anyway, anyway,
<v Speaker 2>it ended up leaving the March for Jesus in Austin,
<v Speaker 2>Texas one year and there was three hundred and fifty
<v Speaker 2>thousand Christians marching down Congress Avenue and it led the
<v Speaker 2>thing because they found out by prayer that I had
<v Speaker 2>made this banner and they wanted me to be the
<v Speaker 2>president of the Banner Committee. And anyway, so that happened.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's pretty pretty interesting. And then I saw
<v Speaker 2>UFO once and it was daylight, broad daylight, it was.
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of in West near It was west
<v Speaker 2>of Austin, in a community called Westlake. And my friend
<v Speaker 2>and I were outside in the front yard and she,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the trees don't get anything like they do here.
<v Speaker 2>There's kind of short that all the oak trees. And
<v Speaker 2>we were outside and here comes this UFO. It was
<v Speaker 2>round and there was no lights. Of course there was daytime.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I would have recognized them. And
<v Speaker 2>she yells at me to go get her dad. Her
<v Speaker 2>dad was a police officer, but he was home that day,
<v Speaker 2>and so she ran told me to run in and
<v Speaker 2>get her dad and tell him to get the camera,
<v Speaker 2>and so he did, and by the time we got out,
<v Speaker 2>it was gone, but it was just hovering above the
<v Speaker 2>oak trees, which was what they're not but what fifteen
<v Speaker 2>feet tall at the most.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that is very interesting. Do you think that
<v Speaker 1>the cryptic encounters that you had play a role with
<v Speaker 1>the supernatural encounters that you've had as far as the
<v Speaker 1>angels the UFOs, I know that's kind of far out there.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I believe you, but I'm saying as far
<v Speaker 1>as the connection. Do you think that God reveals certain
<v Speaker 1>things to certain people or do you think there wasn't
<v Speaker 1>a coincidence.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, I believe that God reveals certain things because
<v Speaker 2>some people can't handle that, you know, like what's going
<v Speaker 2>on in the world now, you know, with and I
<v Speaker 2>don't mean to bring it, but with politics and everything.
<v Speaker 2>God will reveal truth to some of those people and
<v Speaker 2>we realized what's really going on, and then some people
<v Speaker 2>are totally in the dark. I think some people can
<v Speaker 2>handle it, some can't, you know, are some you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, that's the only thing I
<v Speaker 2>can think of, is why things like that keep happening.
<v Speaker 2>I almost feel honored that these things I've witnessed, these
<v Speaker 2>things because I know the truth. I know that they're true.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I don't know. I used to be a
<v Speaker 2>ghost under too at one time, but I got you know,
<v Speaker 2>God told me that there were demons and I needed
<v Speaker 2>to leave them alone because I brought one home with
<v Speaker 2>me one night. They were it was in Austin, and
<v Speaker 2>I was a part of a group and they were
<v Speaker 2>kind of Gothic and stuff, and I wasn't I was
<v Speaker 2>a Christian. I've always been a Christian. But they had
<v Speaker 2>children that gravitated towards me and always wanted to be
<v Speaker 2>with me, and they wanted to go get me the
<v Speaker 2>e MF you know, find her and all this stuff
<v Speaker 2>you know there. I don't even remember what they're called,
<v Speaker 2>but all but they would always stay with me. And
<v Speaker 2>so they were filming actually Monster Quest was filming at
<v Speaker 2>one of the houses I was at that night or
<v Speaker 2>one night, and so after after I left the place
<v Speaker 2>where a Monster Cross was filming, I apparent when I
<v Speaker 2>got home, I usually prayed, you know, on my way home.
<v Speaker 2>Please don't, you know, allow anything or to follow me
<v Speaker 2>home or whatever. I knew that it's it was a possibility,
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, I got home and everything seemed okay. I
<v Speaker 2>went I went to bed, and then the next morning,
<v Speaker 2>my daughter comes running into my room saying that something
<v Speaker 2>had just pushed her into her mirror where she was
<v Speaker 2>getting ready for school. And so so anyway, so I started,
<v Speaker 2>you know, praying against it and casting it out and
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing, and I promised God, God, you
<v Speaker 2>know I had gotten I guess I had gotten too
<v Speaker 2>into it. And you know, God doesn't like us to
<v Speaker 2>put anything else before him. So anyway, so I had
<v Speaker 2>had promised him I wouldn't do that anymore. So I
<v Speaker 2>never goes tunted after that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't blame you. And I used to do
<v Speaker 1>paranormal research as well, and I got the same feeling
<v Speaker 1>that God didn't want me doing that because the more
<v Speaker 1>that I would research the paranormal that was happening in
<v Speaker 1>my house, as far as like downloading these apps where
<v Speaker 1>it tells you if there's like a presence in your
<v Speaker 1>house or I don't know what it's called, where it
<v Speaker 1>says like a word I could start saying words like black, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>cut nature, things like that. I was doing that, and
<v Speaker 1>it seemed like more things were taking place after I
<v Speaker 1>was investigating what was happening in the house, and I
<v Speaker 1>quit doing ghost research after that, and then the Bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>encounters happened, and I kind of found myself using like
<v Speaker 1>an EMF detector to see if there's like any anomalies
<v Speaker 1>going on. But even still, like after using the EMF
<v Speaker 1>for Bigfoot, I just felt, I don't know, it felt wrong,
<v Speaker 1>and I told myself that I was kind of gonna
<v Speaker 1>stop doing the paranormal research with Bigfoot as far as
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, like trying to mind speak or
<v Speaker 1>you know, using the EMF detector. But later on I
<v Speaker 1>was with different people that would use these methods for
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot research, and you know, I felt guilty even then,
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, it just feels wrong using an
<v Speaker 1>EMF detector as far as like asking, you know, is
<v Speaker 1>there anyone here? Is there something going on? Is Bigfoot invisible?
<v Speaker 2>You know?
<v Speaker 1>Anything like that can trigger some type of external force
<v Speaker 1>to work in your life, and you just don't want
<v Speaker 1>something to follow you home. And it doesn't even have
<v Speaker 1>to be like an entity that follows you home all
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, your life can start falling apart. You
<v Speaker 1>can start seeing a lot of them, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like malicious intent with people around you, and just things
<v Speaker 1>are just off. So it's better to not investigate the
<v Speaker 1>paranormal and just follow your faith. And what do you
<v Speaker 1>think about Bigfoot as far as like the paranormal? Do
<v Speaker 1>you think it's wrong to use these methods that paranormal
<v Speaker 1>researchers use to find explanations with Bigfoot as far as
<v Speaker 1>using like ANYMF recorder or asking questions? What do you think?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that there's so much out there that
<v Speaker 2>we don't know that it does stir things. So I mean,
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot's going to find us, if you know, I mean
<v Speaker 2>if we're out there, they're curious. I think that they're
<v Speaker 2>just curious beings, and I think that they will find
<v Speaker 2>us if we just sit still. We don't even have
<v Speaker 2>to go find them, so you know, of course you
<v Speaker 2>have to be in an area where you think that
<v Speaker 2>they are, but once you're there, you can just sit
<v Speaker 2>still and just buy a fire or singing or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to come around. As far as the
<v Speaker 2>EMF meters or I don't even remember what they're called.
<v Speaker 2>But those things, yeah, they'll pick up anything. I mean
<v Speaker 2>they could pick up there's lots of stuff out there.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, dog moon, you know things like that. I
<v Speaker 2>I you know a lady. Your name was doctor Rebecca Brown,
<v Speaker 2>and she lived in Arkansas, and she had an encounter
<v Speaker 2>going to the hospital one night, and she is in
<v Speaker 2>a book also, and she was telling me that her
<v Speaker 2>car started stopping, the motor was stopping, and she was
<v Speaker 2>a dog man or werewolves she calls them. Werewolves came
<v Speaker 2>around to the side of the window, and she kept
<v Speaker 2>her window closed as she had a Bible with her
<v Speaker 2>because she had been praying for a lot of the
<v Speaker 2>patients and whatnot there. So anyway, when it came to
<v Speaker 2>the side she was she was afraid, she said, she
<v Speaker 2>was just so scared, and she just kept praying and
<v Speaker 2>praying and praying, and finally it turned and left and
<v Speaker 2>her car started again and then she went. But she
<v Speaker 2>considers those I'm getting nervous now because this is really
<v Speaker 2>kind of deep. She considers those people because she knows, well,
<v Speaker 2>she knows that those some of those people. I guess
<v Speaker 2>I should say, because not all of anything but are
<v Speaker 2>those that punished pe because they're not doing if they're Satanists.
<v Speaker 2>She said that they were Satanists that had meetings and
<v Speaker 2>the ones that she she didn't attend, but she brought
<v Speaker 2>somebody out of Satanism and my praying with them and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and that woman said that that during the meetings, if
<v Speaker 2>if they didn't do what Satan wanted them to do,
<v Speaker 2>then one of these were wolves would would rip them apart.
<v Speaker 2>And they were the ones that were chosen. These people
<v Speaker 2>have given their souls supposedly, that's just how she said it,
<v Speaker 2>given their soul to Satan, and so they were able
<v Speaker 2>to transform into a were wolf and they would rip
<v Speaker 2>that person apart. So yeah, and I, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>believe it. I mean, may be a fool for believing it,
<v Speaker 2>but I do. And I'm not thinking that all dog
<v Speaker 2>men are, you know, wear wolves or whatever, but I
<v Speaker 2>believe what she said. She speaks, she speaks the truth,
<v Speaker 2>and she now has died. So she died a few
<v Speaker 2>years back.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm sorry to hear about that. And it
<v Speaker 1>kind of sounds similar to a skin walker when people
<v Speaker 1>talk about how a dog man can transform from a
<v Speaker 1>human being. It sounds like the same type of activity.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just different names. You know, it just has
<v Speaker 2>a new name. It's a skin walker now it's not
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeahther I don't know, but yeah, stuff like
<v Speaker 2>that that makes me nervous because you know, it stirs
<v Speaker 2>up the supernatural and I definitely don't want any more
<v Speaker 2>of that anyway.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And it makes you wonder why so many
<v Speaker 1>politicians and government figures worship the devil, and you know,
<v Speaker 1>they say that they do child sacrifices and all kinds
<v Speaker 1>of things that sound way out there, but I believe
<v Speaker 1>it's truly happening. And I think that's how people conjure
<v Speaker 1>up dogmen or skin walkers, like they sacrifice and it
<v Speaker 1>sounds out there, but you know, people did this a
<v Speaker 1>long time ago, especially like the Mayans and the Aztecs
<v Speaker 1>and many other cultures. They would sacrifice people. And you
<v Speaker 1>hear that with you know, Satanic worship, that they'll sacrifice
<v Speaker 1>like little kids, little boys, little girls, and apparently, like
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you get some type of power out
<v Speaker 1>of it, but I don't know. That's frightening thing think about,
<v Speaker 1>and you wonder why there's so many missing people out there.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think every single missing person case
<v Speaker 1>has to do with that. But there's a long list
<v Speaker 1>of reasons as to why people go missing, whether it's
<v Speaker 1>drugs or you know, mental health or you know, like homicides.
<v Speaker 1>But also I think that the cryptids may play a
<v Speaker 1>part into it, and also people being sacrificed and being
<v Speaker 1>sold on the black market. I mean, it's really hard
<v Speaker 1>to say. There's a lot of reasons, but I think
<v Speaker 1>that it could be an explanation as to why some
<v Speaker 1>people went missing.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, mom and dad used to live by a
<v Speaker 2>park in the country and one night they were this
<v Speaker 2>girl was just screaming and came and they and she
<v Speaker 2>was telling my mom, please read the Bible to me,
<v Speaker 2>Please read the Bible to me. They're trying to kill me.
<v Speaker 2>They're trying to kill me. And so there was a
<v Speaker 2>group of them, probably about four. These were Satanic worshipers,
<v Speaker 2>and they came to the house and they said, oh,
<v Speaker 2>she's just on drugs, and this and that and the other. Well,
<v Speaker 2>the police came and they actually they had convinced the
<v Speaker 2>police that she was just on drugs and and and
<v Speaker 2>took her back with them. But mama, Mama said, you know,
<v Speaker 2>she will never forget her begging for her life and
<v Speaker 2>telling her please read the Bible to me, Please read
<v Speaker 2>the Bible to me, and then then the you know.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not against police. I love police, don't get
<v Speaker 2>me wrong. I mean we need structure. We as humans
<v Speaker 2>need structure, We need rules, and we need to know
<v Speaker 2>them clearly so that we don't step beyond that to
<v Speaker 2>keep ourselves safe. But anyway, they let they they let
<v Speaker 2>her go back. So and so that's what they were doing,
<v Speaker 2>is having a Satanic ritual. Now, whether they killed her
<v Speaker 2>or not, never heard a word, So I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrifying. If I ever have a child, I
<v Speaker 1>want to make sure to keep a good eye on them,
<v Speaker 1>just because you never know who's going to try to
<v Speaker 1>snag up your your kid and they'll never be seen again.
<v Speaker 1>And the things that people do are just nasty. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's some evil people out there, so you just always
<v Speaker 1>have to keep an eye on your kids.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's right. And I didn't mean to get off
<v Speaker 2>on all this stuff. But anyway, because I really like,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I really like the thought of being you know,
<v Speaker 2>going and finding big food and you know, and seeing
<v Speaker 2>the evidence and whatnot that I've never not believed in bigfoot. Now,
<v Speaker 2>my brother, who was a government trapper, doesn't or didn't.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't talked to him recently, but he didn't believe.
<v Speaker 2>You know, he never saw anything unusual or anything like that,
<v Speaker 2>and he was out in the woods all the time.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, sometimes they were revealed to us, and
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they're not. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I've talked to a lot of conservation agents and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them say that they've never seen anything
<v Speaker 1>that would lead them to believe that bigfoot exists, and
<v Speaker 1>they've been doing it their whole life, and they were
<v Speaker 1>working in different counties. But they told me, you know,
<v Speaker 1>we believe there's so many people that are talking about this.
<v Speaker 1>We just want to understand it more. And you know, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I just think some people run into these things and
<v Speaker 1>others never experience it, or most people never get to
<v Speaker 1>experience it. And like you said earlier, you know a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it, and
<v Speaker 1>some people can. You know, maybe somebody that's been going
<v Speaker 1>through a lot that experiences this will either take it
<v Speaker 1>as a blessing, and others that are going through a
<v Speaker 1>lot may take it as a curse. So it just
<v Speaker 1>depends on.
<v Speaker 2>Your outlook right right, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So Pam, Yeah, yeah, the figure that you saw at
<v Speaker 1>the window, you said you could see the left side.
<v Speaker 1>You can see the left arm. What else could you see?
<v Speaker 1>What happened before, during, and after this encounter? Like what
<v Speaker 1>got your attention?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I was looking at my phone on
<v Speaker 2>the on the recliner. I was looking at my phone.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear anything or or whatever. All I know
<v Speaker 2>is I I looked up and I saw his silhouette,
<v Speaker 2>and I put my phone down immediately turned it off.
<v Speaker 2>And but his left arm was the one that I
<v Speaker 2>didn't see, so he was he wasn't up on the
<v Speaker 2>on the I never heard him get up on the
<v Speaker 2>porch or anything like that. It's just that I saw
<v Speaker 2>most of him, you know, I saw the right arm
<v Speaker 2>I saw, you know. Uh, it was it was his
<v Speaker 2>silhouette that it was just perfect. I mean he was
<v Speaker 2>either looking at the house just thinking or whatever. He
<v Speaker 2>could have been facing the other direction. So I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it was now. I you know,
<v Speaker 2>my husband asked me, why didn't you open the cur
<v Speaker 2>to look? I said, well, uh, because I was afraid.
<v Speaker 2>But I wasn't afraid, you know, I mean, how do
<v Speaker 2>you explain that? I mean, I didn't open the curtains.
<v Speaker 2>First off, I didn't want to see him I to eye.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I really didn't want to see him by
<v Speaker 2>to eye. He was too close. It would be like
<v Speaker 2>him from where I thought he was standing, it would
<v Speaker 2>have been like five feet and there was nothing in
<v Speaker 2>between us except for this window. I don't know, I
<v Speaker 2>just didn't. I didn't do that. I should have, but
<v Speaker 2>I did take a picture of a footprint. So all
<v Speaker 2>I know is it was perfect silhouette. I mean the
<v Speaker 2>pictures that you see where there. You know, the moon
<v Speaker 2>was behind him, so it was up high enough to
<v Speaker 2>where it casts the shadow into the window, so I
<v Speaker 2>could see his silhouette perfectly. I mean, it was just
<v Speaker 2>it was beautiful. I mean I was like, I can't
<v Speaker 2>believe I'm seeing what I'm seeing, you know. So and
<v Speaker 2>then the next night I waited for that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>in case it was, you know, because there's a flag
<v Speaker 2>pretty close by and all that stuff. So I waited
<v Speaker 2>the next night and stayed up did the same thing
<v Speaker 2>to look for whatever it was was casting that, like
<v Speaker 2>a tree or a whatever. Nope, none, It only happened
<v Speaker 2>the one time.
<v Speaker 1>And what do you think its intentions were?
<v Speaker 2>Just curiosity? You know, I don't know, he didn't didn't
<v Speaker 2>take anything. I don't know. I've had a feeling because
<v Speaker 2>we're so close. We're only about fifty twenty five yards
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning of this forest in the forest goes
<v Speaker 2>up in the Watchetal and it's a small part of
<v Speaker 2>the Wachita Mountains and it's just off to the side
<v Speaker 2>of our house. So I don't know. I just think
<v Speaker 2>he was curious, or you know, he may have been
<v Speaker 2>he might have been watching us for a long time,
<v Speaker 2>because I go outside to smoke every now and then,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I laugh and I talk to people
<v Speaker 2>on the phone outside. I don't know. I know that
<v Speaker 2>we lost our cat, but we think that was a
<v Speaker 2>coyote because there was a coyote that visited the next
<v Speaker 2>night and he was off right in front of us
<v Speaker 2>in part of the forest, and he was staring at
<v Speaker 2>us and we were sitting on the porch, and so
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking that he's the one that maybe got Tom Tom.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you think that possibly they're following you around?
<v Speaker 2>Could be. I means, it could be, you know, but
<v Speaker 2>I really don't think there's a family. I would we
<v Speaker 2>would have heard stuff, you know, and because we're so close,
<v Speaker 2>we're right there at the edge of the of the
<v Speaker 2>forest and the mountain, that we would have heard more.
<v Speaker 2>I have heard owl hoots and stuff like that. But
<v Speaker 2>they didn't sound unusual. It didn't sound unusually big, unusually loud,
<v Speaker 2>you know, nothing like that. So I don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>think he was passing through. It's the only thing I
<v Speaker 2>can think of.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very well, could be. And how far away was
<v Speaker 1>this incident from where you heard the whoop the vocalization
<v Speaker 1>and the pine tree get pushed over?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that was like Yellville, Arkansas? And so in the watch,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, in the whatever the other is. But I
<v Speaker 2>was Arcs and it was probably about less than a
<v Speaker 2>mile from where I was standing on that mountain to
<v Speaker 2>where it was. It was less than a mile. It
<v Speaker 2>was pretty close, actually, I mean it was you know,
<v Speaker 2>if you as as the crow flies a miles nothing,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I don't know, but that it seemed it
<v Speaker 2>was just on the next ridge, on the next mountain,
<v Speaker 2>So I'm thinking probably a mile. Okay, So you could
<v Speaker 2>hear everything. Yeah, you could hear everything. I mean, they
<v Speaker 2>have a car races and all that, and you can
<v Speaker 2>always hear it all up on the mountain and everything that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it reverberates all around there. So ye but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's it was about a mile from where I was
<v Speaker 2>to where the tree was pushed over.
<v Speaker 1>Yea, So they're possibly living in the area.
<v Speaker 2>M yeah. Oh yeah. As a matter of fact, we
<v Speaker 2>went to visit a family not too long ago, me
<v Speaker 2>and that friend, and they were saying that they're all
<v Speaker 2>around them and they live on the next ridge beyond that,
<v Speaker 2>and they said they're all around all the time. So
<v Speaker 2>because I brought it up to them, because Pam was
<v Speaker 2>still going, I don't know about that, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>so I brought it up to them and they said, no,
<v Speaker 2>they're all around here all the time. I did have
<v Speaker 2>a sighting. And you know, because I'm staying in the
<v Speaker 2>living room because that's where i can lay. I've got
<v Speaker 2>arthritis and so it's the only place i can lay
<v Speaker 2>that that I'm comfortable. So we have on to my left,
<v Speaker 2>we have a couple of French doors, and the French
<v Speaker 2>doors have nothing on them, so you know, but I
<v Speaker 2>put pillows up beside me so that I don't look out,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because otherwise I'll be awake all night looking out.
<v Speaker 2>And uh so I put them up and and uh,
<v Speaker 2>I just felt like something was there. And I guess
<v Speaker 2>it was about three o'clock in the morning, and so
<v Speaker 2>I decided i'd move one of the pillows and look
<v Speaker 2>out one of the French doors. And there was one.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it's the same one as
<v Speaker 2>as before, but because it was about the same height,
<v Speaker 2>I think about eight foot and but he was acting
<v Speaker 2>really strange. He was almost like he was being punished
<v Speaker 2>because he was like standing in the corner and of
<v Speaker 2>the door. But he did look back, and when he
<v Speaker 2>looked back, I saw orange. I saw his eyes and
<v Speaker 2>and I thought to myself, oh my gosh. You know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, he could break the window really, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the door was really easy if he wanted to or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>But they never showed aggression. So I just said, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm laying still, I'm not moving, I'm just gonna watch him.
<v Speaker 2>And after a few minutes, I guess it was about
<v Speaker 2>three minutes. He was there a long time. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what he was looking at, but it wasn't me
<v Speaker 2>the whole time. He just looked back and looked in
<v Speaker 2>just for a short probably twenty seconds, and then he
<v Speaker 2>turns around and he walks off. And so I thought,
<v Speaker 2>oh good. You know, I mean, I don't want to
<v Speaker 2>yell for my husband because it makes me I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>wake him up, that sort of thing. So I just
<v Speaker 2>I just laid there. And then the last thing that happened,
<v Speaker 2>we were having a storm. It was a rainstorm, and
<v Speaker 2>it was a big one, and uh, everybody was asleep
<v Speaker 2>in the house, and of course I was in the
<v Speaker 2>same spot and I heard this. You know, at first
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a limb breaking off the tree
<v Speaker 2>above us and hitting the roof. But when it hit
<v Speaker 2>the roof, I heard that ran across it. You ran
<v Speaker 2>across the roof, and we've got a tin roof and so,
<v Speaker 2>and you know, of course I couldn't get up and
<v Speaker 2>run over there like I would normally, although I am
<v Speaker 2>better so I am walking now a little bit. So.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, and I told my husband about it the
<v Speaker 2>next morning, and you know, he's like, why didn't you
<v Speaker 2>wake me up? Well, we know why, so but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and I haven't seen anybody. It's probably been I don't know,
<v Speaker 2>three months now and I haven't seen any sight or
<v Speaker 2>heard anything since then, so they were probably just traveling through. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. What did the sasquat look like, the one that
<v Speaker 1>was looking through the French doors?
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. He had a nose like ours that
<v Speaker 2>it was not flat. It was wide, but it was
<v Speaker 2>not flat. And he wasn't smiling or showing teeth or
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. He just was looking. So, you know,
<v Speaker 2>his mouth was real wide, that it was closed, and
<v Speaker 2>he seemed to be well groomed. I mean, he looked
<v Speaker 2>to me like he's well groomed. I'm only what ten
<v Speaker 2>feet from the door, you know, and so he just
<v Speaker 2>looked real well groomed. He I didn't smell anything. He
<v Speaker 2>never scratched the or anything, never tapped on anything, So
<v Speaker 2>it was just strange.
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned his eyes were n orange color. Were they
<v Speaker 1>self illuminated or was there like a light reflecting off
<v Speaker 1>of his eyes?
<v Speaker 2>We had no lights in here, none, so it had
<v Speaker 2>to have been self reflective. Is that what you mean?
<v Speaker 2>Where they shine?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where they self illuminate. That's pretty. But you didn't
<v Speaker 1>feel like I was trying to hurt you. He didn't
<v Speaker 1>like jiggle the door handle hit the side of the house.
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't trying to break in, like he was just
<v Speaker 1>observing you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm thinking what happens is because I, I uh,
<v Speaker 2>smoke cigarette. I go outside a lot, and so when
<v Speaker 2>I go outside, and you know, sometimes I get the
<v Speaker 2>creeps and stuff like that, you know, and hobble in
<v Speaker 2>on my crutches or whatever. But I think he's probably
<v Speaker 2>familiar with me. I used to to go up because
<v Speaker 2>we have the back part of the property has it
<v Speaker 2>was it's the Watchtalls, some of the watch Tall mountains,
<v Speaker 2>and so my husband and I used to before I
<v Speaker 2>was stricken with this arthritis, we used to hike up
<v Speaker 2>there and we would always you know, have those feelings,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the hair stand up on your back or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>We never saw anything, So I think that he's familiar.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he'd never tried anything. Never. Yeah, they've never
<v Speaker 2>stolen anything, taken anything. They never rearranged any rocks. Because
<v Speaker 2>I look at that all the time because we have
<v Speaker 2>lots of you know, rocks and stuff and stones and
<v Speaker 2>things that we've gotten from the mines and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 2>and nothing's ever been missing or misplaced or anything like that,
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, from my experiences and people that I've known personally,
<v Speaker 1>it seems like sasquatch is attracted to people with disabilities
<v Speaker 1>and illnesses. And it's really hard to say. It could
<v Speaker 1>be like a predatory instinct where they're able to pick
<v Speaker 1>up on prey that is disabled per se, but also
<v Speaker 1>maybe they have compassion for people who are in pain.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought about that. I thought, oh, you know, there,
<v Speaker 2>I would be easy prey. I would be you know,
<v Speaker 2>a good hot dog for him, you know. But and
<v Speaker 2>so that's sometimes, you know, frightened myself when I think
<v Speaker 2>about stuff like that. But then I also thought, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've heard where you know that that one gentleman that
<v Speaker 2>that uh it was in the watchtalls and and and anyway,
<v Speaker 2>the the he was with the tree loggers and and
<v Speaker 2>then he fell and he fell, and then one of
<v Speaker 2>the sasquatch came over and picked the tree up off
<v Speaker 2>of him. I mean, now he thought he was going
<v Speaker 2>to die. He was in the he was in the
<v Speaker 2>hospital for months. But and I thought to myself, well, maybe,
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe they'll have compassion or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think they're familiar with me. I can
<v Speaker 2>feel them sometimes, but I don't see anything, and nothing
<v Speaker 2>goes on. You know. I hear tree knocks every every
<v Speaker 2>now and then, but that could be you know, the
<v Speaker 2>limbs falling from the ice or snow or whatever. So
<v Speaker 2>you know, I can usually tell, or think I can tell,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it usually happens only once or twice,
<v Speaker 2>and then I can't really get a good ear on it,
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know. But it's cool. I mean, I
<v Speaker 2>don't mind it at all, as long as they don't
<v Speaker 2>try to break in. Now I hear tapping or I
<v Speaker 2>hear fingernails on the on the door. Yeah about looking,
<v Speaker 2>I won't look, you know, I won't put the pillows
<v Speaker 2>down and look because I'll think that's a dog.
<v Speaker 1>Man waking up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I would do that for sure, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>I keep praying about that. Lord, I don't want to
<v Speaker 2>see one of those. I just I just don't want
<v Speaker 2>to see one, so please, you know, protect me from that.
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, absolutely, And Bill's encounter from Arkansas, that was
<v Speaker 1>an amazing encounter where the logs the trees fell on
<v Speaker 1>top of him and the sasquatch came and picked up
<v Speaker 1>the trees and got him out of there and got
<v Speaker 1>him to safety, essentially saved his life. So that's one
<v Speaker 1>of the stories that kind of changed my mind, like,
<v Speaker 1>these aren't demonic beings, they're not evil, Like this thing
<v Speaker 1>had compassion for him and pulled them out of danger
<v Speaker 1>when he was about to die.
<v Speaker 2>There's another guy that I had spoken to. His name
<v Speaker 2>is Todd Standing and he lives in British Columbia, Canada.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've seen him.
<v Speaker 2>I talked I've talked to him on the phone and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and this has just been because we've I've always supported
<v Speaker 2>him from years and years and years ago when everybody
<v Speaker 2>else said he was a fake. Well, he also was hurt,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he was He had a juvenile running
<v Speaker 2>beside him because he was he was scared. He said
<v Speaker 2>they were they were bothering him that time, and he
<v Speaker 2>was running and the juvenile kind of slapped him, kind
<v Speaker 2>of like when you you and your brother are running
<v Speaker 2>together and you kind of trip him up or something
<v Speaker 2>like that. Well, when he when he slapped him, when
<v Speaker 2>he slapped Todd, Todd went down the mountain. He fell
<v Speaker 2>and got in the he had a limb that went
<v Speaker 2>through his leg and stuff, and he was laying in
<v Speaker 2>a creek bed and and Todd said he passed out,
<v Speaker 2>but when he woke up, he had sav on his
<v Speaker 2>leg and the tree limb was gone. And so but anyway,
<v Speaker 2>he had a trooper or a bunch of people that
<v Speaker 2>were looking for him because he was he hadn't come back.
<v Speaker 2>He was running late, so he did have some people looking.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he ended up going to the hospital when
<v Speaker 2>when he walked out, and and then he and the
<v Speaker 2>doctor had told him, you know, who did this, because
<v Speaker 2>it was the best that he couldn't have done any
<v Speaker 2>better if he'd have done it himself, you know, healing
<v Speaker 2>up his leg or whatever. So Todd said, he knows
<v Speaker 2>that they did it, you know, And how do you
<v Speaker 2>tell somebody that?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And I can't imagine what that would feel
<v Speaker 1>like to be in that situation would definitely be mind boggling.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know, I guess I guess the juvenile
<v Speaker 2>thought he was kind of kidding with him and just
<v Speaker 2>kind of knocked him with his arm and Mary went
<v Speaker 2>down the mountain. So yeah, yeah, I can imagine that.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, and the track that you found. Was that
<v Speaker 1>the one you were talking about in our first podcast.
<v Speaker 1>Did that belong to the one that looked through the
<v Speaker 1>window or.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, yeah, that's the one that was in the
<v Speaker 2>front of the house, in front of that window. And
<v Speaker 2>so I took the little tape measure out. Even though
<v Speaker 2>I'm on crutches, I could barely move, but I saw it.
<v Speaker 2>I saw that big toe, you know. I mean it's
<v Speaker 2>really hard to see because the ground was so hard.
<v Speaker 2>We hadn't had any rain for a long time, so
<v Speaker 2>it was just hard to see. And there it was.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, great, Yeah, And the one that
<v Speaker 1>was looking through the French doors, do you think that's
<v Speaker 1>the same individual that was looking through your window or
<v Speaker 1>is this a different one?
<v Speaker 2>They were about the same size, that's all I know.
<v Speaker 1>What about the one that ran on the roof, do
<v Speaker 1>you feel like that's the same individual that was looking
<v Speaker 1>through the French doors.
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking it probably was smaller, like a juvenile, because
<v Speaker 2>I'm yeah, because I'm thinking that I would have we
<v Speaker 2>would have had some some our roof would have been
<v Speaker 2>bent in areas and there's nothing there. So I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I heard I heard the stet, I heard the running
<v Speaker 2>and everything and jumped off the other side and uh yeah, I.
<v Speaker 1>Can't imagine what's going through their mind, Like I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>run on top of Pamela's roof and this is going
<v Speaker 1>to freak her out, Like I wonder what they're thinking.
<v Speaker 1>This is gonna scare.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna freak her out. I'm gonna make her get
<v Speaker 2>up off that couch.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they must get some sort of thrill.
<v Speaker 1>People have referred to these beings as tricksters, and they
<v Speaker 1>definitely are.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, well, I you know, I've yeah, I haven't
<v Speaker 2>had a fear. I mean I haven't needed to have
<v Speaker 2>a fear. So I'm really thankful for that because I'm
<v Speaker 2>sure that you know, just like people, there's there's good
<v Speaker 2>ones and bad ones.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, unless like the portal happened to open up
<v Speaker 1>and like over your house and it just dropped down like, oh, shoot,
<v Speaker 1>wrong spot, you never know, I mean, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>There's a portal up there. We're moving. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not the first time I've heard of a
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch running on someone's roof, and it's something that comes
<v Speaker 1>up over and over again. Actually, I get the most
<v Speaker 1>reports of people seeing a sasquatch crossing the road and
<v Speaker 1>they see it from the vehicle. And another is where
<v Speaker 1>these things are looking through their window, especially when people
<v Speaker 1>are kids in their early childhood days and people see
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch looking through the windows. I don't know what their
<v Speaker 1>interest is, but I think they're just curious, especially with
<v Speaker 1>women and children.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think they're curious. And and
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I think that people they have an
<v Speaker 2>aura about them, you know, And I think that you know,
<v Speaker 2>and I I mean I have I have animals. I
<v Speaker 2>mean I tracked animals. You know, I can call them
<v Speaker 2>up and blah blah blah, you know, they'll come to
<v Speaker 2>me or whatever. So except for the German shepherd that
<v Speaker 2>was trained to kill and he attacked me. So that
<v Speaker 2>was the only one that I've ever had trouble with.
<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, So what do you think these creatures are?
<v Speaker 1>Where do you think the sasquatch came from?
<v Speaker 2>I think they came well, I think they came from
<v Speaker 2>the same area that I saw the the hyena, so,
<v Speaker 2>which is like towards the Houston area, and because the
<v Speaker 2>watch Tom Mountains kind of run back there, and I
<v Speaker 2>think that that's where they were and they came down
<v Speaker 2>from there to here. I mean, I don't that's I
<v Speaker 2>just think they were passing through. We have a lot
<v Speaker 2>of water ways, we have the Arkansas River, We've got
<v Speaker 2>other you know, lots of ponds and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just I don't know if they were
<v Speaker 2>just passing through for a while. But I haven't seen them.
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard them or anything.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, if you really study the maps, that forest
<v Speaker 1>goes from like central Missouri all the way down to
<v Speaker 1>eastern Texas, Louisiana, and if you go northeast, it goes
<v Speaker 1>all the way up through like Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolina
<v Speaker 1>is all the way up into New York. It's honestly
<v Speaker 1>like one ginormous forest. Obviously there's small towns and cities
<v Speaker 1>in between, but there's more forests than towns people in cities.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And then if you just be on that, you go
<v Speaker 1>into Canada and it's just endless forests.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>that's the only thing I can think of is they
<v Speaker 2>were just traveling through. But I mean they were, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like after the first incident, then it was just only
<v Speaker 2>a few days later that I saw the second one,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the doorway, So yeah, so I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if they were only here just a little bit
<v Speaker 2>and then they were gone. So yeah, but they may
<v Speaker 2>still be here for all I know. They might live
<v Speaker 2>up on that over that ridge behind us, because there's
<v Speaker 2>water there, there's creeks and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, absolutely, And you bring up a valid point.
<v Speaker 1>But also where do you think they originated from? Like
<v Speaker 1>do you think they're primates that have been in North
<v Speaker 1>America for thousands of years? Do you think they're the
<v Speaker 1>naphelim giants, supernatural humanoids? Like what do you think they are?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because they could be any of that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do think about that all the time,
<v Speaker 2>but I you know, I don't know them. They are
<v Speaker 2>human like and and you know, I mean yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>mean I wouldn't think I think that there would be
<v Speaker 2>a difference, kind of like with dog men. You know,
<v Speaker 2>they're I think those are part of what's created by
<v Speaker 2>our government or whatever. But yet we're wolves. I would
<v Speaker 2>think that they're more of you know, they're the ones
<v Speaker 2>that those are the people that you know, give their
<v Speaker 2>souls to the devil or whatever in the in the
<v Speaker 2>devil worshiping and whatever, and then they chance transform or
<v Speaker 2>what they call shapeshifters. So I really don't know. I
<v Speaker 2>really don't know, but I think that they're I don't
<v Speaker 2>I don't consider them. Well, I do consider them animals.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how am I going to say that. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>they're they're animals, they're mammals, but uh, there's smarter than that.
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. They could they could be. I mean, Nephylomia,
<v Speaker 2>they're that's happened, you know. I mean, it says in
<v Speaker 2>the Bible that you know, the angels came down and
<v Speaker 2>and you know, pro created with the humans, and so
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know that it happened and is happening,
<v Speaker 2>and it's I think it's getting more prevalent now because
<v Speaker 2>we're getting closer to the ends of the you know,
<v Speaker 2>are our last days. And I think that with all
<v Speaker 2>the technology we have now, people have the phones with
<v Speaker 2>them and the cameras with them, and this and that
<v Speaker 2>and the other, and now people are out searching for them.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's probably why we've seen more of them.
<v Speaker 2>But I think they've always been here. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. It seems like the fallen angels were playing God
<v Speaker 1>and they try to make man in their own image
<v Speaker 1>and also the planet along with all the animals. So
<v Speaker 1>who knows.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, if you want to get into that.
<v Speaker 2>The you know with UFOs, I mean, you know, they
<v Speaker 2>abduct people and then they you know, take you know,
<v Speaker 2>to use their productive organs and stuff like that and implant,
<v Speaker 2>and then a few days later they bring them back.
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, they've taken them back.
<v Speaker 1>And they keep like abducting the same people. They'll just
<v Speaker 1>come back over and over. That's kind of freaky.
<v Speaker 2>It is freaky. I was always told, you know, even
<v Speaker 2>though I saw one that time when I was young,
<v Speaker 2>I was always told, you know, just don't look at them,
<v Speaker 2>you know, go the other way. You know. I was,
<v Speaker 2>you know, taught to do that, and it wasn't by
<v Speaker 2>anybody that really had any kind of experience or anything
<v Speaker 2>like that, but I was always told to not mess
<v Speaker 2>with not mess with him, just go just get away
<v Speaker 2>from them, don't even look or whatever, don't try to
<v Speaker 2>get curious and go up to them and that sort
<v Speaker 2>of thing or whatever. So, I don't know, incredible, we
<v Speaker 2>live in an incredible world.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a mysterious world, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 2>It's never boring.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, well, Pamela, do you have any other experiences
<v Speaker 1>that you would like to share on the podcast?
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that a frightened everybody away.
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you did excellent and I appreciate you for
<v Speaker 1>being a guest on the channel and sharing your encounters
<v Speaker 1>and experiences openly here on Sasquatch Theory.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, and if you ever experience or encounter anything
<v Speaker 1>else in the future, feel free to reach back out
<v Speaker 1>to me and I would love to hear about it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you so much.
<v Speaker 1>All Right, you have an excellent day and I will
<v Speaker 1>talk with you later. Pamela's experiences challenge how we understand
<v Speaker 1>the wilderness and the unseen forces that may exist alongside us,
<v Speaker 1>from bigfoot encounters to angelic experiences and unexplained phenomena. Her
<v Speaker 1>story leaves us with more questions than answers. If this
<v Speaker 1>episode resonated with you, make sure to share it with
<v Speaker 1>someone who needs to hear it. It seems like the
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch are able to hone in on people and gravitate
<v Speaker 1>towards those who are in distress, and this could be
<v Speaker 1>an instinct that predators possess. They can tell which ones
<v Speaker 1>are in distress and in trouble, or it could be
<v Speaker 1>something biblical like these things really do have angelic DNA
<v Speaker 1>and there is a spiritual side to them. But also,
<v Speaker 1>like I said in the podcast, God works in mysterious
<v Speaker 1>ways and that is undeniable. As always, my faithful subscribers,
<v Speaker 1>stay safe, stay aware, and don't look Bigfoot in the
<v Speaker 1>eye like I did.