Hour 1 – Shedeur Sanders Is a Pro Bowl Quarterback, Analytics vs. Gut

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Speaker 3: Two of these jobs.

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Speaker 2: We'll come up with a Player of the Day, poll question and stat of the day as always forthcoming. You know, the Pro Bowl used to mean something. You know, down through the years you were a Pro Bowl player, that was a big deal. Maybe not as much now because you get a lot of guys who don't want to play in the game, and being a Pro Bowl player helped out your Hall of Fame resume. But there's not a Pro Bowl game anymore. But there was value being a Pro bowler. Now you want to be an All Pro. But if you're a Pro Bowl player, okay, it looks good on your resume and that does factor in for a Hall of Fame resume. But between injuries, players opting out, Super Bowl participants skipping the trip, the Pro Bowls turned into a game of musical players because you got to fill the rosters here. Now once again, there's no game. There's activities. You're a Pro Bowl part participant in activities. You know, Tyler Huntley got in a couple of years ago, Mitchell Trubisky, and now Shudor Sanders is in the record books as a.

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowl quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't have a problem if Shaudoor Sanders is in the Pro Bowl activities category. Here, these are games that are being played. This is a business decision by Peyton and Eli Manning. Why not put him in there. People watch, They'll watch Shadoor Sanders. I hope the NFL takes me up on what I've put in front of them for years now. If you're going to do activities, have a Pro Bowl roster and there's only one quarterback in the NFC and one in the AFC, that's it. But you do get that designation on your resume Pro Bowl quarterback, or if you want to do two quarterbacks, or you do two players at each position. They're not going to be playing in a game, but you get that resume designation that you wear a Pro Bowl quarterback if you want to do it. But why not just have a lineup for the NFC in AFC they're not playing in a game, but you give them that designation because everybody else you're a participant in Pro Bowl activities, and even put an asterisk by those Pro Bowl participant. But should or Sanders, you'll bring eyes to it. You know, I'm not tuning in to see somebody be great. It's more of, you know, some fun activities that Peyton and Eli have. Okay, tug a war, I'm sorry, It's it's not like I go man he is a great tug of war guy.

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Speaker 3: That's a god one tug a war.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paulie, this is such an easy fix that you've been saying this. We've been saying this for years. There's the Pro Bowl honor your name to the Pro Bowl in late December, and it goes on your resume, and then the Pro Bowl games are an activity, and then you can participate or not participate. But like you said, Tyler Hunley, it's in football reference, he's less as a Pro Bowler. He was two for two as a starter, two and to another starter. He had two touchdowns and made the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to fill out the roster. That's all this is.

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Speaker 2: And it used to mean something, and I know back in my day it meant something, but then you started to get quarterbacks who opted it out. I remember Dan Marino said, you know, I don't want to play played enough, but you do want that designation that you are a Pro Bowl quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, seton.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think part of the thing that maybe we're having a hard time with is that these types of all star games that were always trying to fix every three months.

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Speaker 3: Have outlived their usefulness.

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Speaker 6: They don't they don't mean anything anymore because they don't mean anything because they used to be special. To see what would happen if these players all played together. Well, now there's free agency in every sport. We see that all the time. There is no uniqueness to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is no game anymore, but it's just you're designated as a Pro Bowl Shdor Sanders. Fifteen years from now, we can look back at his resume and go, man, he made a Pro Bowl. And I think that's what bothers people of. He made a Pro Bowl and then this guy made X number of Pro Bowls. Vince Young made two Pro Bowls as an alternate.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but I think the problem is is that we focus on the Pro Bowl and not All Pro. If we did more to recognize how special the all Pro designation was, nobody would care about the fan vote.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't have an all Pro game, but we do have Pro Bowl game. Now, we have Pro Bowl games activities. Therefore, we speak about it more because oh, somebody got added to a roster. Somebody's not going to be a you know, Drake may can't play. He's not taking part in the Pro Bowl festivities.

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Speaker 6: Right because having an actual and actually valuable player participate in these events is crazy. Yes, why in the world would we risk those knees for these events.

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Speaker 3: First hour? Poll question? Which wins more games, gut feeling or analytics? Oh no, okay.

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Speaker 2: We had Mark Schlereth on yesterday, former NFL offensive lineman, and he really doesn't like analytics. This is what he had to say from yesterday's show. Yeah, Dan, you know it's really funny. I get into arguments because I hate analytics. I hate all analytics people. I don't like nerds, and I always get into this with guyys.

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Speaker 7: You like the two point conversion play and we got to go for it on fourth down and all this stuff, and you know, you get the sample size of data. But hey, man, if I haven't blocked your defensive front all day long, right, that data changes. If my guards can't handle your three techniques, if my tackles can't handle your defensive ends, then we need to change.

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Speaker 5: Like that.

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Speaker 7: Math doesn't work. Math has never made a tackle. Math has never blocked anybody. Math has never done any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we posted this yesterday on social media. I got a lot of reaction, and got a lot of reaction from the people who actually are the analytic nerds. According to Mark Schlareth, Michael Wilbon has been banging the drum against analytics for a long, long, long time. I understand it. I mention this before. Back in the late sixties, my father, working in computer science, came up with probability. It wasn't called analytics, but he was working at the University of Dayton, and he was trying to help the coach at the time turns out to be Sean mcvay's grandfather, and he's trying to give him information of what happens when this team has the ball here in this situation, so probability, and he was feeding information into a computer, giving out the probabilities to the head coach. So it's been around a long, long long time. It's just we started to call it analytics, and I think that bothered people almost as if oh, you're better than us, Oh you're smarter than us. Oh you went to Harvard, Oh you went to Stanford Weathery just looking at the game. Same with baseball, same with basketball. The analytics say shoot the three. The math says shoot the three. Baseball, go for a home run. Okay, there's data, and people have spent a lot of time, years and years and years to come up with the data. Now do I side towards gut, Yes, because gut is in the moment. If I go into a game and I go, hey, if we get fourth and four inside the ten, we're going for it.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And I do believe, you know, with Sean Payton going for it on fourth down and in the moment I said just kick the field goal. He's getting a lot of blame because of that, but I think the analytics show from what I was told, the analytics say go for the field goal. There he went against analytics. So I don't know, and once again I haven't followed it that closely with the analytics, but there were a couple of reports that said Sean Peyton went against the analytics. Kick the field goal, but in the moment, backup quarterback. And then you had analytics experts who said, wait, you don't think we factor in that it's a backup quarterback or the weather or I don't know how it changes snow oho storm comes in. How do you change the analytics to give that information to the teams in real time? So now all of a sudden, I got a backup quarterback. I got an offensive line that can't protect my quarterback. The Patriots defense is a whole lot better than we thought. I got snow, I got wind, And you're gonna tell me in real time that you're going to come up with analytics. There I understand going into the game. Hey, we're not going to go towards Christian Gonzalez third and long. We're not going in his direction. Okay, but what if he's, you know, got a banged up ankle or something. Maybe he's limping a little bit. Maybe my offensive line isn't as good as we thought against their defensive line. We don't have the time to be able to throw deep. Like it just feels like there's so much it's a fluid topic, and I think that we get we kind of get bogged down on Oh, analytics says, here, let me look at my sheet. I can look at that sheet. It's like when you know Tony and Larusa did this. You know this smartest man in baseball history or so I'm told, hey, we got this matchup. The analytics say this. All I know is they're managers who get fired because of analytics. You know, go back to Tommy Lasorda with a gut instinct to put Kurt Gibson against Dennis Eckersley that analytics would have said, are you crazy? But Tommy brought up Kurt Gibson against one of the greatest closers of all time and he hits a home run. So there's a gut feeling that should be attached to this. I understand analytics, and I'm fine with it. I just don't like when I see a coach look at a piece of paper and go, we're going for it.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Part of the.

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Speaker 6: Reason that I think people don't like analytics is because we only notice them when it doesn't work. And the reason that we don't focus on it when it does work is because coaches take credit for the brilliance. No coach has ever been like, hey, coach Gutsy called again, Yeah you know, I just well, I looked.

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Speaker 3: At the sheet and that's what it told me to do, so that's why we did it. No coach is ever going to say that.

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Speaker 6: Instead, they're going to give you forty five seconds on what a genius they are for You're right, I did do that even though they really looked at the sheet and it said go for it or don't go for it.

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Speaker 3: But when it's wrong, it's like.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the analytics did it, so yeah, well that's when I dialed up something. You know, when you go with your guts feeling, we dialed analytics is always really because it's.

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Speaker 6: Gotten you to the AFC title game so far, the analytics. But no, no, I can't do whatever, Yeah, Pulley.

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Speaker 4: Going back to the fourth and one, we did this post yesterday and a few different people who worked in analytics broke it down and they said it was a medium recommendation, not a heavy recommendation to go for the field goal. They said it was really close. The odds of you making the fourth down were like sixty four percent. Your odds of you converting the field goal was ninety five percent, but then your win rate when you convert, and there's a lot of details, but they said it was a mild or medium recommendation, which means is almost a coin flip. Now, it wasn't like you must do this, the analysts say you must do this. It was more like, just over fifty percent, you should do this. Yes, Todd, they.

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Speaker 8: Have other responsibilities, but to me, a head coach manager largely has to do with decision making or decision making abilities.

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Speaker 9: So why don't we just have some kind of machine.

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Speaker 8: Like we're going to do with balls and strikes If a coach is just going to rely on what they spit out in a computer, and that's a big role of a coach or manager to make decisions, and you're basing it on non human things. Then what's the point and just have.

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Speaker 2: Some They called a timeout. John Payton called a time out to talk about it. Here's the thing I don't know, and maybe somebody in analytics can help us, and that is, if you have data on a fourth and one inside the fifteen, doesn't the defense have the data that you have on fourth and one inside the fifteen?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 2: Don't they cancel each other out? And then it comes down to gut But I I'm out for exploring these things. I'm not a math guy. My father was, but I still think there's value to it. I think that sometimes it can be we hold on too tight to it with the analytics. I think you've got to coach a game. And in that moment, Sean Payton should have kicked the field goal. I don't care what analytics said. I would have called a better play is what I would have called. It was a terrible call because I don't want my quarterback rolling right. So now I've cut off half the field. The Patriots obviously knew what was coming. They got two defenders who came in Scott Free and it was going to be intercepted, almost intercepted. So aside from the two defenders who came in and the who was going to intercept it. I guess it was a good call, guest Hud.

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Speaker 8: At the risk of sounding ignorant, do these coaches in their ears in the limited time that they have unless they call time out on every play they're getting some kind of feedback or it's just select situations about going for two or kicking a field goal. That's a lot of information while you're trying to manage everything else.

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Speaker 3: To be told, no, you're not.

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Speaker 2: Analytics is part of your playsheet. Analytics will will give you all of that information that you you have it before the game. It's not like in the moment because even then you're discussing this and you can say, what's the analytics? Say I would say to my team, what's the analytics? And then they would say all right, and you look at your flip chart.

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Speaker 8: If that doesn't count for every situation someone gets hurt during a game or weather changes, you know, you can only do so much preparation with all the highlight of different colors that you see them holding and blocking their lips.

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Speaker 3: With hey, it's your coach, you made the stupid call, no.

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Speaker 9: Believe me, and they lose my three points of cause math on I.

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Speaker 2: Uh analytics, polly check and see if there's a woman named annalytics all over it. Yeah, just you know she's probably yet having people. Man, I hate analytics. What did I do to you? All right, well, settle on a poll question here. Mike McCarthy will be sworn in as this Steelers next head coach, and we will play the Mike McCarthy cliche game as well. Now, I think the press conference is going to be at two o'clock, so, uh, we're just gonna have to guess what we think his first cliche will be. And Seaton said that he wanted to go first. We'll take a break. Yeah, he won the coin toss. Yeah, he won the coin toss. He'll get the first cliche out of Mike McCarthy's mouth. We'll take a break. We're just getting started. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Settle on a poll question here for the first hour, Mike McCarthy will be sworn in as the next head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Coming up a little bit later on today, we will play the Mike McCarthy cliche game. I didn't even know it was a game until Seaton came in and he goes, I know the first cliche that Mike McCarthy is going to utter when he gets in front of the media today. We'll have that for you coming up here in a moment. I don't know if anyone nobody else has cliches, because I didn't think of it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not well versed on Mike McCarthy cliche.

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Speaker 6: That's why we're trying to figure out the first, not if, but which one of these will be the first. You can't be in football this long without being a hardcore cliche guy.

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Speaker 3: Now, isn't he a football like?

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Speaker 2: He's not a football He's a football guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a football guy, a football guy.

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Speaker 2: Tom Pelisero, NFL insider for the NFL Network, was on the Rich Eisen Show and he likes that the Steelers have hired Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of different reasons to Rich to Mike McCarthy is the new Steelers head coach. But I'm gonna point out one that has not been talked about enough. These Steelers have ranked twenty third or worse in yards per game on offense eight years in a row. Eight years in a row they have had a bottom third offense. And I know that the Steelers dynasties have been built around playing really good defense and being aggressive on that side of the ball, but you do need to be able to score points. You need to need to be able to do that in the NFL. And if you look at Mike McCarthy's track record everywhere he's been. Bill Kauer said this on CVS the other day. He's elevated offenses. He has elevated quarterbacks at various different stages in their career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was very passionate.

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Speaker 2: I was watching the NFL Insiders on NFL Network last night and he went even further talking about Mike McCarthy and thinks it's the right hire. I know that we look at the Steelers blueprint, it's where you got to get the young coordinator, defensive coordinator in his mid to late thirties, and he's going to be there for twenty years. Well, the Steelers have to change things up a little bit, and the offense has to get into the modern era, and it feels like that they're always dragging behind the defense is dragging that offense into a playoff Berth. I don't know if Aaron Rodgers is going to come back. By all accounts, felt like he was really well liked by his Steeler teammates, his relationship with Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's on the mend.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Mike goes I can have Aaron as a band aid quarterback, they still have to find another one eventually. I don't know if Will Howard at Ohio State can play as an NFL starting quarterback. But you might have something there. You already know what you have with Mason Rudolph, but if you bring in or bring back Aaron Rodgers, it's not the worst case scenario. You just need to upgrade your offensive style philosophy, and you've got to be it used to be. If you got a top fifteen defense to go along with a great offense or vice versa, you could have a magical season. A lot of these teams, you want to make sure that you're getting in the top fifteen. You might have a top five offense, but if you have a twentieth ranked defense, you could be in trouble. It's getting that balance that's what you're looking for, or at least as close to that as possible. And for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike McCarthy uh from the Pittsburgh area.

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Speaker 3: As we've been told.

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Speaker 2: Many, many, many times, he's just a football coach, is what he is. And UH seton the cliche. The first cliche that Mike McCarthy says today is what I believe.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be something involving a rich tradition of football history. He's going to be speaking about the Steelers organization and talk about why wouldn't I want to coach at such a prestigious organization with a rich tradition of football history.

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Speaker 3: Something like that. Okay, so rich tradition is the key. Yeah, yeah, yeah, football history.

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Speaker 6: Something about their history being one of the most iconic franchises, A rich tradition.

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Speaker 2: Rich tradition, Yes, anybody else have a cliche, Marvin.

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Speaker 13: He's going to say something to the effect of upholding the standard that the Steelers have set.

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Speaker 3: That's good one. Upholding the standard. That's a good one, Paul.

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Speaker 4: Those two could go back to back in either order.

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Speaker 3: Mmmm.

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Speaker 4: God, those are off the board already. I gotta go to my second tier.

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Speaker 3: Todd, do you have one.

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Speaker 8: I jotted down a few sentences. If you'll humor me, we take just a couple of seconds. But it has to do with the number seven, if you want me to It's less a cliche, more of what I think he'll say specifically.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm well aware that.

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Speaker 8: Anything short of bringing the Super Bowl title back to this great city and its fans is unacceptable, and I can assure you that I will do everything in my power to do just that. If my math is correct, the Steels organization has won six championships. That being said, my new favorite number is lucky seven. Hold on tight to your terrible towels, because I assure you we're about to go on a wild, exciting ride.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's his speech. I'm I was looking for a cliche.

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Speaker 9: Lucky seven. Okay, it's all about lucky number seven, seventh title.

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Speaker 3: Yes, my word will be culture. We're building a culture football culture. That's a good one, that's a great one.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking this is a hard work in city and we're going to be a hard working football team.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, are you thinking about the phrase blue collar?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if blue collar comes in, but well, hard hat. I know what it's like grow up in this city.

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Speaker 2: There are hard working people, and we're gonna be a hard working football team.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Ton, he.

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Speaker 9: Knows better than to refer to dream jobs.

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Speaker 8: You have to being with the Packers and Cowboys too, you know, very popular organizations with you know legends.

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Speaker 9: You can't, you know, crap on the former.

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Speaker 8: Teams that you coached for by saying somehow that the Steelers are better than experiences being Green Bay and Dallas as coaches. I'm just curious if he goes there in any way.

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Speaker 2: Is that a cliche toime? We're doing the cliche game. I already, Yeah, you're screwed up the cliche.

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Speaker 3: This is just my speech.

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Speaker 9: I was doing a follow up point on the topic of what he what he's going to refer to.

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Speaker 3: But we're doing cliche and I.

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Speaker 9: Don't have a cliche. I guess that's the best way to say. Yeah, that's that's that's what you're getting at. Yeah, I have no cliches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if he brings he can't bring up dream job because he was with the Elbows and the Packers, right, that's right.

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Speaker 9: You can't play up the don't I don't think you could play up a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he won't use that.

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Speaker 8: Not that is a topic or a cliche that he will not use that my game of the antonym.

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Speaker 3: Oh the antonym, not say game.

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Speaker 8: What are some of the things he won't say?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do like Todd.

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Speaker 6: I think we sort of drilled down on one point with Todd that he was going to bring up a seventh ring. Is that that was the point of the speech before.

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Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, and then I worked around it with sentences.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty good one.

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Speaker 8: Got to be something off of the fact that they've got six titles and everybody's been waiting for the seventh for so long.

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Speaker 2: And now he didn't want to put that much pressure on him himself.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, what.

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Speaker 9: Are the expectations in Pittsburgh, Mike McArthur?

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Speaker 2: You know what, We're going to have a winning record and we're going to win our playoff game, first playoff game. That that, let's set the bar a little lower than very upset.

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Speaker 3: We've got a winning record. You just fired that guy for that reason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're going to win a playoff game and all we do is we play football.

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Speaker 3: That's crapping your pants and changing your shirt. Dan, Sorry, it's just football.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he says that, Maybe that's his cliche. Hey me replacing Mike Tomlin, It's like crapping your pants and changing your shirt.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna playing football. We're playing football in here, hardworking football. Yes.

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Speaker 13: Steelers fans don't want to hear that, especially when Mike Rabel just took a four win team to the super Bowl and Mike McDonald yamobi there, they're going to the super Bowl. Also, they don't want.

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Speaker 3: To hear that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but I don't think he's going to be saying. I mean, it's not a turnaround like Rabel had a turnaround. Steelers made the playoffs.

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Speaker 13: Which is why the expectations are going to be even higher.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think he says super Bowl, super Bowl.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I think he has to or at least allude to that. He coached the team that's known as Title Town. The reason he's there is to win a super Bowl, nothing less. If that's his motto for lack of a better word, that we're gonna make sure we win at least one playoff game.

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Speaker 9: No one wants to hear that.

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Speaker 3: I was joking, Dan, you were being serious. Okay, don't try to backtrack now, don't backtrack now.

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Speaker 2: You said it just a football coach, that's all. Football coach, that's all. Uh coach, what do you? What are your plans? Aaron Rodgers? Aaron Rodgers football player. And you know if he once come back, we're going to talk about that because we're hard working city, you know, hard working football team.

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Speaker 14: Yes.

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Speaker 13: Does he say something to the effect that he matches the attitude of this city.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good?

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Speaker 4: Is this round two?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 6: I think it's a free for all though, what the Heck, it's just we're just going crazy right now.

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Speaker 3: Who knew that Mike McCarthy was this quotable.

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Speaker 6: Throwing and evaluate the roster while we're at it. You can't really make those decisions right now. We have to evaluate the roster. You can't say that when you're being introduced.

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Speaker 3: You can't. You can't introduce and be like, you know, people are going to get cut.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the best eleven guys on the field.

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Speaker 3: Kind of what Christian Syracuse, Hi, Chris, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 13: Hey?

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Speaker 15: Thanks?

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Speaker 14: Dan?

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Speaker 15: Hey, maybe I think he uses the term dream job in the context of I'm a Pittsburgh guy, I'm one of you, and a couple of things to throw at you.

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Speaker 16: You know.

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Speaker 15: A possible spin off segment off the popularity of the Dan Patrick Show Callers Always Right segment, Maybe Dan knats are always Right segment. It could be Dan add on in that crime crime against the back Row, or maybe even some callers James and Virginia can explain why he's so down on his commanders, or Shane Irving can explain why he's so optimistic about his cowboys. And also a lot of people are wondering why the last two years Brian Flores continues to be passed over for head coaching jobs. I think his pending lawsuit against the NFL is a really big factor, maybe the only factor.

00:27:54
Speaker 3: Thank you Chris Scott in La. Hi, Scott, what's on your mind today?

00:28:00
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm the analytics thing that's really been driving me nut. You know, if you look at baseball, you have one hundred and sixty two games. They're the ones who started analytics. If you look at the playoffs structure, they don't follow the analytics. Even the Blue Jays as last year, if we're bunning when the analytics said, don't bunt, because it's people act differently. In the playoffs football seventeen games the analytics include playing the Tennessee Titans or the Vegas Raiders. As your analytics tell me, there's no analytics that has a backup quarterback who hasn't played in two years in the championship game in the snow. You're telling me they have enough data points to come up with the analytics, No zero chance. So that's what I think some of these coaches need to start paying more attention to is get away from this football or to cought up. They're trying to catch up with baseball one to sixty two versus sevent teams A big difference.

00:28:47
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Scott.

00:28:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you make a decision and the value of that decision considering the number of games you have in football as opposed to baseball.

00:28:57
Speaker 16: Yeah.

00:28:58
Speaker 6: See, I think the thing that we're though, as you've brought up rightfully, so which I guess I wish we had brought up yesterday, but just so I make sure that we have this correct while we're killing analytics, is that Sean Payton went against the analytics when he should have gone with the analytics. Yes, correct, He should have listened to the analytics in that moment, yes, but instead he went with his gut feeling.

00:29:18
Speaker 3: Yes.

00:29:19
Speaker 6: So when we're looking at there couldn't possibly be enough data points to know if this backup quarterback who hasn't played in two years could do it right, That's why you probably should have gone with the analytics that said don't do that.

00:29:29
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yes, But also your opposition has your data, don't they. If I'm coming up with analytics, it's not just for my offense, it's for my defense. What would analytics tell me in that situation? Going against the Denver Broncos. And can you update it to factor in Jared Stidham? Can you factor in impending weather conditions? Like That's what I'm not sure how you can factor that into real time analylytics. Hey, look, maybe somebody can help me with that, because I know some people. They commented on Mark Schlaret saying, of course we factor in all of these things.

00:30:11
Speaker 3: Well, how do you do that?

00:30:14
Speaker 2: How do you do that if you know their defensive line is better than yours in the moment, but didn't realize that maybe going into the game, or we roll right, this makes the most sense in that situation? Why and does the defense know Jared Stidham is going to roll right? He's obviously not rolling left. But that's what I'm trying to understand. If you have information, chances are they have somebody who's doing the same thing. And I think that's what I'm trying to I'm trying to be fair to analytics.

00:30:48
Speaker 3: I understand it.

00:30:49
Speaker 2: I just don't know if it's Hey, don't tell anybody, but our analytics say this. Shu Dylan in Orlando, Hi Dill, what's on your mind?

00:31:04
Speaker 1: Hey?

00:31:05
Speaker 10: Dan?

00:31:05
Speaker 1: Hope you can hear me?

00:31:05
Speaker 16: All right?

00:31:06
Speaker 14: Two quick things. One about Todd one about football. First of all, I want to say that even though I'm a big Beatles fan, I think Holland Oaks is definitely enjoyable. Also, Padana panton Public, totally okay. And as a Raiders fan, I want to do your opinion on my first two draft picks I think the Raiders should do. First of all, they should do for Nanda Mendoza, I think you could work really well with action Jenky and say. I think they should draft Isaiah World be authentic, tackle a Orger. I think you'll really help the line. Thank you, God blessed.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: All right, all right, thank you Gil. If I'm the Raiders, I'm on the clock, but I'm on the phone. I want to talk to teams and we got to get better.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Now.

00:31:42
Speaker 2: You might be passing up John Elway here or Andrew Luck, but I at least have to listen because in this draft where there's only a couple of quarterbacks who are first round worthy, and it might only be two maybe three with Shambliss, but you know, that value of that number one pick just went up incrementally just because lack of you know, talent at that position. If you got somebody to overspend and they gave you two first rounds and maybe two first round picks next draft. Okay, as long as you trust your front office and you could utilize those picks.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: You're not winning anything right now. You're not in that.

00:32:25
Speaker 10: Man.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: We could turn it around, just like the Patriots. You're not close to doing that. First of all, you got to get a head coach. You know you're gonna have a head coach and you're gonna have a first year quarterback. That is a bad recipe first time coach, because Mike Rabel coach before at a very very high level, and Drake May was there one year and then Mike takes over.

00:32:48
Speaker 3: Yes, uh, if Tom Brady's.

00:32:49
Speaker 8: All in on Mendoza and he tells the rest of the front office, I don't want to hear about two first round picks, nine first round picks. He's our guy, who're taking him? Is there anyone that has that kind of power or the courage to tell Brady, no, we're for this, for this opera, We're not going to take Mendoza.

00:33:04
Speaker 3: What do you think?

00:33:05
Speaker 8: I think that ultimately Brady is going to say, if he's that in on Mendoza, they're going to go with what Brady wants.

00:33:09
Speaker 2: Well, this is why you hired Tom Brady. You brought him in and gave him part of the team. I'm not bringing in Brady and then not listening to him. And if he says, hey, I feel really strongly about and if you get an offensive coordinator, if if Tom decides to hire the guy that I feel like he was kind of telling us he was going to hire Clinton Kubiak offensive coordinator, then all right, you know you start.

00:33:35
Speaker 3: I just want continuity.

00:33:37
Speaker 2: You want your your head coach, your offensive coordinator, and your quarterback, because if you don't have continuity, it's really hard for that quarterback to develop. And if you have that for Mendoza, you're gonna, you know, bulk up the offensive line because if you don't, it doesn't matter.

00:33:55
Speaker 3: I don't care how good you are.

00:33:56
Speaker 2: As I pointed out numerous times, Patrick Mahomes without a really good offensive line, was average in the Super Bowl, twice below average in the Super Bowl. One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. You have to have an offensive line. If not, you're wasting that draft pick on that quarterback play the day's next.

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00:35:40
Speaker 6: Which wins more games? Gut feeling or analytics? Right now, seventy percent of the audience say gut feeling. Okay, I think that depends on whose gut we're talking about.

00:35:48
Speaker 3: But sure, Tony in California. Hi, Tony, what's on your mind? Hey guys, good morning, Good morning.

00:35:54
Speaker 10: So so Dan, I'm not.

00:35:57
Speaker 16: Charles Barkley, but I played blackjack like once a year, and if you go into casino, they will give you a card with analytics, Tony, exactly what to do at the exact right time, and you know, but that's based on five thousand hands or something. It's like the regular season to postseason. But if you have one bet for a thousand bucks, but you will get the ire of the table, not following the book of analytics. But if you have one bet, just just do what's right in that moment rather than you know, something based on five it's a regular season to you know, NFC championship game.

00:36:33
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Tony. Yeah.

00:36:35
Speaker 2: I played blackjack one time and my wife was going to go do something and she said, why don't you play blackjack? And I said, I don't want to gamble, and I was looking for a five dollars table. If they would have had a dollar table, I would have been fine with that. But there was the last person on the table and it was a nightmare because everybody's strategy wise. Okay, you hit on this, you don't hit on this, and got to this person at the very end, and you're just going just stay like, don't hit, don't hit, don't I'll take one more card bust that would have busted the dealer. And I think I lost eighty dollars in a about five minutes because my wife came back and she said, how'd you do? And I go, I lost it? Oh, all of it. I go, well, eighty dollars. But it was you know, somebody, everybody was playing the analytics and then the person at the very end, was it they were going on gut feeling?

00:37:38
Speaker 9: Yes, Todd, So is it better to play like roulette a study?

00:37:41
Speaker 8: We have to rely on what other people's decisions are when your money's in.

00:37:44
Speaker 2: I don't want to play any of that stuff. It drives I don't enjoy winning as much as I hate losing. And I won when I gambled on football, I did win, but it drove me crazy because A I couldn't watch the game and then be anytime I would make money, it'd be like, well okay, but when I lost money, it was like.

00:38:08
Speaker 3: Drilled me. Woe.

00:38:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paulie, I've always heard that You're never supposed to buck analytics playing black check because the house never does. They stick to it wire to wire. And if you buck analytics, you're removing any type of closure you can get on the ass.

00:38:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get that. Robert in San Antonio, Hi, Robert, what's on your mind?

00:38:29
Speaker 17: Good morning, gentlemen, five eight and a soft two twenty. I just wanted to make a comment about McCarthy going to the Steelers. I'm a long law I'm a long, diehard cowboy fan, and nothing would bring me great joy to see McCarthy win a Super Bowl with the Steelers. He's already won it with Green Bay and seeing Jerry Joe getting stuck to one more time would be an embarrassment and I would love every bit of it as a mean cowboy fat.

00:39:01
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Robert, Boy, it's got a payne Jerry Jones. See Robert Kraft go into another Super Bowl? What is that ten for him? Eleven eleven super Bowls. He's not in the Hall of Fame yet?

00:39:16
Speaker 3: Uh. Colin in Texas, Hi, Colin, I.

00:39:21
Speaker 10: Damned in morning?

00:39:21
Speaker 3: Good morning six two two hondo.

00:39:27
Speaker 10: So surrounding the Mike McCarthy cliches, I think the real cliche here is Todd Fritz not delivering a cliche. Or maybe it's a bit of irony. I don't know the lines blurred there. Anyways, suck at Denver, suck it back corner pocket.

00:39:45
Speaker 3: Thank you, Colin. Yeah, see that is true. Todd didn't give us a cliche. No, he gave me a speech.

00:39:51
Speaker 6: He gave a speech with uh without any cliches in it.

00:39:55
Speaker 2: Interesting, well, the he gave us the lucky seven like seven super Bowl for the Steelers.

00:40:01
Speaker 6: That's very specific to this one situation where less cliche.

00:40:05
Speaker 3: Lee in New York, Hi.

00:40:06
Speaker 5: Lee, and thanks for taking my call. Yep, Hey, you can talk about analytics.

00:40:12
Speaker 3: This morning now. In Denver. Both they know analytically that there's bad weather coming.

00:40:19
Speaker 10: You can take all the points you can before that bad weather gets there.

00:40:22
Speaker 3: That's what I've been saying. Yes, and Todd didn't know this either.

00:40:29
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think the weather was a I don't think that that was a big deal talking about leading up to the game, although both teams knew that there was the possibility for bad weather coming in there.

00:40:42
Speaker 3: I just would have thought, take is whenever you.

00:40:45
Speaker 2: Can get points, get points again in New England's defense is really good, and I think you got to factor that in as well. And you got Jared Stidham, and maybe you're reducing your playbook a little bit because of a backup quarterback. I said it the time. I understood Sean Payton was going for the kill too early, in my opinion, because they go up two touchdowns at home, maybe bad weather and that defense. In his mind, we're going to win, We're going to the super Bowl. I get it. I just think that he was too aggressive too early. Ross Tucker's going to join us coming up hour two, Reggie Miller stops bying the final hour Dan and The Dan ats Dan Patrick Show