Microsoft Planning on Launching Starfield on PS5
Jeff Grubb is joined by Mike Minotti today to chat about Microsoft potentially launching Starfield and possibly more on the PlayStatoion 5! They also chat about a Donkey Kong Hub popping up on Nintendo Switch Online, Suicide Squad being up and down in the world of games, and more stories!
2024-02-05
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He'll be go be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this for February fifth, twenty twenty four. For the next hour or so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, I'm back and oh my god, why is everything on fire? Ah? But first please join me. Welcome to today's co host to Gay Mess Mornings. It's Mike Minati. Everybody, Mike, how are you doing? Jeff? You've got a fast car and I got a plan to get us out of here. Yeah, that's been in my head too. We were talking about it before. Literally, here's out one, everybody, I am. I saw a friend of the site, it mee JP retweet the song that I've already listened to, the performance from the Grammys last night of Tracy Chapman and Luke Comb's playing Fast Car. I saw him Pete. Then I've listened to it like twenty five times already. Legitimately, I listened to it again. I'm like, oh, I got to get in the call with Mike. I see he's in there. Well, I'm just gonna let me you know. I'm it's only a minute and half of this, I'm just gonna finish it. And then I get in and literally I click in and the first thing Mike does to start singing the song. So I literally listen to it the shower, I know, loterally listening to it last night, getting emotional and trying to learn the lyrics. Oh no, we're all part of a society. It's a really good song, always has been really always when I heard it as a kid, I'm like, man, I love this song, and I've only loved it more as times going by. And Hey, shout out to Luke Combs for like we're bringing more attention to it and like doing a loss and performance with her. So what is incredible? Yeah, lot's that up? Let's that up? It's really good. Yeah, say, it's all over social media, so you've probably seen it now, But it's social media, social media. Sean Strand becaus Sean's tryna make us feel old. Actually we're timeless, just like that song, Sean. So sorry you can't get us on this one. No, I'm not gonna fit. No, I'm not gonna feel even remotely bad for like gig fast cards. Sorry, No, absolutely not. Uh, Mike, what did I miss what happened last week? Oh god, yeah, it's a it's bad. I think game they're good. Ad. How's weird or bad? Weird and bad? All right? Uh? Yeah, when it comes to giant bomb related stuff, I gotten to a call to do something and Dan was talking about just showing up in a city, getting on a plane and not knowing where it's going. Were you involved, right? Were you involved in that? And then in any way like I completely missed out on it. Yeah, that happened during that happened during the voicemailed dump truck because I said I was going through the beard Fest this weekend, not the beard Fest. Excuse me, the beer festification would have been sick too though. Uh Like he's like, oh, that's this weekend. I have these jet blue points where I could have gone. It's somehow turned into you should just go to an airport like it like a cartoon or a movie and figure out where you're going to fly, Like what's your there? Uh, I'm not sure exactly what happened. I thought it wasn't going to actually happened. It did. Now I think it might have happened. It happened, It did happen. Yeah, I don't know what's what's okay to say, so I'll just like hold off because maybe it's a surprise. I think there's a video happening or something bit of a surprise, but he did post something to Instagrams. It's not entirely it's a surprise. Jan has all the footage, he says. Okay, Dan did mention in our chat that he says, I did so much stuff in twenty four hours, so all right, cool, And there was like some weird like serendipitous moments and stuff like that, so look out for that. Whatever that happens. The big moment of griffrom is gonna be a completely different person next time we see him. This is the start of his presidential arc. Now he's gonna be president by the time he's done now and then okay, yeah, and the video games seem weird, I suppose we should probably just get into it because there's a bunch of big stories. I'll explain what we do here first. Most weekdays, I Jeff Greub, will help piece your gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our own original reporting. Got a little bit for you all today for all these topics, I'll get the input of a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you were watching live on Twitch, welcome. You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we have a lot to get into, so let's start the Morning Mess with Microsoft plans Starfield launch for PlayStation five. This is a headline from John Sick of Mechanico Clark at Xbox Era, which has kind of kicked off this latest batch of reporting. It's wild out there, everybody. For many weeks now, you know what, I'm gonna read these first two stories. We've got one from the Virgeness. Well, I'm just gonna read these stories and then we'll talk about it. For many weeks now, rumors have persisted regarding Microsoft's intentions to release a number of first party games, namely High Fi Russian Sea of Thieves on rival platforms. According to our sources, who have asked to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to talk about company plans, that list of games also includes Bethesda Game Studios Starfield. Starfield released back in August of twenty twenty three to fairly positive versts option despite the narrative that now exists online, and it was the biggest meath'stic game. Yeah John, you throw your punches and what's the biggest fathastic game launch of all time, surpassing six million players within a week of release. Now it looks as though Microsoft is planning on bringing but aesa's newest RPG universe to an entirely new platform, the PlayStation five. According to sources, we understand that currently Microsoft is planning to launch Starfield on PlayStation five post the release of the already announced Shattered Space expansion for Xbox and PC, which is on target to arrive at some point later this year. It's basically like a year of exclusivity on Xbox and then goes to PlayStation five a year or more around a year basically as the as the already existing rumors have suggested, the idea of bringing first party titles to competing console platforms marks a massive change in strategy for Microsoft, and from what I understand, it's not been without fierce internal debate on this new direction. That's also something that we've begun hearing a little bit more about Uh. The Verge added to this, and I actually got the story by way of Darren Bonteus at GameSpot. Indiana Jones and other Xbox first party games could be coming to PS five, Xbox and PC platform exclusivity for games from Microsoft's first party studios could be coming to an end, as a new report indicates that the company is looking to take a multi platform approach moving forward. According to a report from The Verge, Microsoft is weighing up which titles will remain exclusive in others that will appear on Switch or PS five in the future. Indiana Jones in the Great Circles reportedly being considered for a PS five launch, but only after the game has had a rather short short period of exclusivity on Microsoft platforms, possibly launching in December twenty twenty four that be on Xbox, and then sometime early next year, I suppose on PS five. Meanwhile, xbox Er claims that Starfield could also make the jump to other platforms. All right, let's see kind of where to start on all of this. Yeah, this is definitely a big change, because here's in the early part of acquiring Zinnimax. Mike, I remember like looking into this and there was a ton of conversation, is Starfield going to be exclusive? That was like a conversation for years and years, and eventually I got I got like to look at some of the math they did when they decided, Hey, we are going to make these things exclusive to Xbox because that's going to be beneficial to game Pass. That was the reasoning then, and that meant no, for real like real deal exclusive never come into PlayStation at that time. That's what it meant. Something has obviously changed, Mike. If I had to point at one one key thing here, I would say they were probably hoping that Starfield would have done better than it did. They are now looking at like, Okay, Starfield can't even that exists online. I'm sorry, yeah, fair enough. Yeah, it's like this. I think they were expecting more from Starfield, and even if Starfield did do all right, I'm sure it did do all right. I think they're looking at the slate of games internally. One of the common things people a say online right now is Microsoft didn't even give their twenty eighteen acquisitions a chance. Those studios never really got to release the big games that we're gonna turn everything around. My guess here is they are looking at the games being made and be like, man, it's gonna be very hard to put the time and money and effort into these things to turn them into the kinds of Game of the Year contenders that would actually change things. And we're gonna we can't just keep chasing that because it's actually really really hard to do and we couldn't even do it with Starfield. So now here we are, So something's changed. Mike, how are you feeling about all this? I'm weirded out, I guess, And maybe I'm just as Sean suggested, old big PlayStation Nintendo Xbox are a pretty long time now, and maybe this is is be really freaking out and being like, well, this is the end of Xbox as we know it. Anyways, I don't know if this is like a fool Sega moment for them. It's if it does get to a point where if Xbox is just really leasing its games on PlayStation, it gets pretty hard to imagine why people buy an Xbox instead of a PlayStation. Maybe does I think I'm just saying it's like I think that's it's a slippery slope argument, but it's what I fully am on board with. I think you're right, like, I think we're already on that path right where it's becoming more and more difficult to convince people to buy xboxes. Uh. And I think Microsoft said is a kind of situation where it's like, we have to continue investing in trying to get people to buy xboxes or do we have to figure something else out? And I don't know what the other thing is, but it does feel like they are choosing that rather than trying to get the Xbox back up to someplace where it can compete with the PS five. I guess it does color my perception of all those acquisitions a bit differently. It was one thing when yeah, we're doing all this so we can really you know, compete with PlayStation and have you know, better first party content. And now it's like, oh, we did all that and we're just going to become some giant third party publisher, right, I mean, well, what here with that? And Embracer Group, this the whole acquisition season right in with this giant deal, and now we're here and it's like, oh, that that didn't work. I guess yeah, I mean I do know internally that they're just they are not happy with the amount of money that all this stuff is making. And I think we definitely know that about Embracer. I think the kind of a similar thing happened with Microsoft, not probably to that extreme, but game Pass has installed. Essentially, that was the big the differentiator, that was going to be the thing that was going to disrupt everything, and it's stalled and they were going to grow. Now they're going to like, hey, they're talking about growth on PC. That's not really doing it. That's not it's just the reality is that that that's actually not going to like replace the amount of growth that they were getting from console. And so I mean they're looking down the barrel of several years of figuring out, Okay, how do we piece together some relatively big jumps in growth for game Pass and they'll probably find it here and there, But it's not like this inevitable thing the way Netflix felt like it was. And so I think they they have to kind of drastically change things. And or do they have to? I mean, I think you said, like, hey, they have enough money to keep competing the way that they have, and I think that that's right, But at a certain point, it's like they keep doing the same thing over and over again and it doesn't work out, and they I think they're looking at this as an opportunity to be like, hey, we just made a bunch of big acquisitions. We can change things and maybe start thinking like trying to leap frog into a future that is possible instead of just being like, Okay, well we're here. We got to keep trying to do exactly what PlayStation's doing, but a lot of times just kind of a little bit worse or without a lot of the software support. And so I get the need internally for them to be like, listen, we got to change something. I just yeah, I guess, but you know, like with Nintendo when like the GameCube did so very well and they had to change something, even though even back then people were like, oh, we're going to see Mario games on PlayStation. Well no, they just like made an interesting console. When the WU didn't do well, then they made an interesting console. I guess I would hope that maybe that's where x what Xbox is thinking here, like what are something we can do to differentiate and really come back and compete. I guess I find this perhaps completely throwing in the towel situation a bit weird and a bit concerning, and not that you know, we talked about competition and places will have competition from other sources. It's all really weird. I do think there was some value in having Xbox without it very direct competition, and I am worried what missing that is going to look like. Yeah, and I mean I don't think it's impossible to argue that. You're right, there's definitely like, there's no way the PlayStation five would have been just five hundred dollars at launch had there not been an Xbox right there. They held each other's prices down, like we witnessed it, like we're like, what's the price going to be? And we like it was up to the last minute. And it's because those two companies were playing chicken. It is clear as day that that was advantageous for consumers. At the end of the day, that these two companies were going head to head. I think that, yeah, I mean, the prices are going to go up for PlayStation stuff. I think it was it's probably what this is gonna mean, It was already happening a little bit. It probably will get a little bit worse. But I think that for like, thinking from the perspective of these companies trying to out PlayStation PlayStation. When PlayStation is like kind of like, we don't know what we're doing next, and we're spending three hundred million dollars on these games, It's like, to what end are we fighting? At a certain point, I think that's like the underlying story here is that these two companies were fighting a console war and now they're like looking around, and sure, Sony definitely won it, but I think they're both looking at it like why wait, why do we do all this? Like we're kind of in a situation where we don't know what is next and we we're gonna have to figure this out regardless of what happens with our competition. So I think they're like both like looking at their own risks as the number one priority of figuring that out rather than looking at their competition, and that is causing them to like rethink a lot of these things that they just held as true based on habit from a very long time. You know, if we start like trying to figure out, Okay, so what does this look like for the future of Xbox, I think they are still figuring it out. That is like, there does seem to be internal debate about what this should look like and what this should be, but the kinds of games that are being considered, It's like when we first started talking about this a few weeks ago, Mike, it was, hey, yeah, Hi Fi Rush makes a lot of sense. CEF Thieves that's six years old. That makes a ton of sense. And I think we said Pentiment at the time. Well, Pentiment also being considered. That's an obvious one, right, Okay, But the other one that I've heard is definitely under consideration. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but it's in talks is Gears of War. Gears of War is like being considered for this, and that's like it's hagelo than Gears of War, right in terms of like icons of Xbox of actual legacy Xbox franchises like Forts are Sure, Yeah, that would be that's the I mean, that would just be signaling that this is the way things are, right, that's what you do. If you put Gears on PlayStation, I mean, then yeah, you're not holding anything back. You're not holding anything back. You might as well just put Halo on PlayStation. Two, and they probably would. They probably will, So for me, it does feel like this is happening though. And yeah, while they're debating exactly what it's going to look like, I do feel like Xbox is not going to go back to just being the x Xbox console is not going to just be a PS five but with an Xbox logo on it, the way the Xbox Series X is in many ways. Yeah, there's some slight differences, but I think they are going to go for some drastic changes. I still think there will be Xbox hardware. Whether or not people want to buy that hardware, well, I think that. I think this forces into a situation where they need to make that hardware compelling on its own. Maybe not. They probably won't be able to do it in the way that the Switch did, where it's just like man having the Switch with me all the time. That is such a benefit. I want this thing, But they have to find something. I mean, you know, while you're gone. There's a lot of rumors about PlayStation and too some rumors about Xbox kind of both racing and try to make a new porta ball you say, a new portable these days. I don't think Vita too I think just a portable version of your hardware that can be docked. I think, you know, you want to make a switch yep. And I think these wonder if there's a race of that. I think there probably is. I think that's it's like a pretty challenging race because you know, we've talked about this before in some of our other shows. The hardware is not there yet for that at least to get to like Xbox Series S power levels. The system was just you can't None of the chips out there are close to that yet. In the next couple of years, things could change very fast. We probably will be. AMD is definitely trying to race to have more efficiency on their chips so they can get to that point. At the same time, I think that in Vidia is going to keep trying to push into this area, and I think that will like reveal their architecture of like, hey, we're gonna start building some of our own CPUs. CPUs like that that came out of us trying to acquire arm and when we didn't do that, we've found an alternative path. Maybe that alternative path manifest and then being like, hey, we have a system on a chip that a lot of these companies can use similar to what we do with Nintendo, but maybe even more powerful and a lot more expensive. That definitely could be possible for people that are like worried about the slippery slope of Hey, people are going to stop buying xboxes, and that means Microsoft's going to stop making xboxes, and that means the ecosystem is going to go away, and all that money I invested into this ecosystem is going to evaporate overnight one day. And I like they're looking several steps ahead. But I don't blame them. I mean, it does feel like we could potentially be on that path, right right, And I guess, you know, it's not like in you know, the old days, Jeff, where an Xbox just come out and suddenly be in the race or a PlayStation. If Xbox goes out, it's not like anything is ever going to be able to come in and suddenly be places you get better or be one of those ever again in right. So in some ways that's what makes I guess the Xbox and Polication brands a bit precious these days. And maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe it's all just heading towards everything basically being computers now anyways. I mean that is kind of happening. It's happening with things like steam Deck, right. Yeah, at some point, it's all probably just going to be PC based in some way or another. I don't know how many bespoke consoles are going to exist. I mean, I mean, I think you started it off, right, Mike. We're old. We are used to things working in a certain way for a very long time now, and I think what is really happening here is these companies are looking around and being like, we actually can't keep we can't compete in the way that we used to. And you know, once again goes back to that letter Phil Spencer wrote about, Hey, when you had retail and you had a shelf space in a store and you had access to that, that is what kept you separate from all these other indie developers that were just trying to break in the scene in the early digital Internet, and so that advantage was huge and that has gone away, and now it's like there is no advantage at all anymore. Retail completely deprecated. There are fourteen thousand games coming on on Steam every year, these things, and like if one percent of those is good, that's a huge number of games, probably equivalent about equivalent to the number of games that were getting released on consoles in the early days of our lives, like when we were like a neees and stuff like that. So the industry has already changed. It's already changed. The big companies reliably releasing games at a regular cadence just feels like there are few that have figured it out. Capcom, Ubi stuff just like struggling to like figure it out. They're like they can continue to like have these fits and starts, and now they're like they're in a bad way again. So it's like these Nintendo and the Nintendo has figured it out right, and but for a company like Microsoft, they're like trying to buy their way into figuring that out. And I still think they probably will get to that point in some way, but there's still have to compete with games coming out on Steam and probably very soon in a world where mobile is just going to be as powerful as a console and it's gonna really it's going to be very difficult for them to stand out. And I think they are looking ahead to that future and they're trying to plan for that. I just don't know how when once you get past the hardware. How does an Xbox ecosystem matter. I think it's very hard to make that case. I don't know how they do it right. And I mean, I guess game pass is something. Do you think PlayStation will ever allow game pests on their service? You think they'll lighten up to that if there's a world where there is no like Xbox Box or you think they're still like, well, why would we do that? We want to sell people ps now subscriptions. I think they would do it, but it would have to be like the more limited version that only has stuff that's owned via Xbox, so similar to like you play or you'd be soft play or whatever they call it. And these days I can't remember anymore that's possible. But again it's just like, yeah, PlayStation is very successful, has it sells very well, but I think Microsoft just trying to look beyond console. And I mean, we know that's what I mean. He said as much to you at Summer Game Fest, you know, GBA night, That's what he told you that right then, And my ears, I I think I told you right afterwards how I was a little surprised and I was freaked out by how then he was deemphasizing the box. I mean, this has been something clearly on Phil's mind. I would guess he's the one that's driving this conversation a lot, probably from opposition to some of the company, like you said, but I definitely think that this is his vision. Yeah, I mean, was this the original vision or is this the one that's born out of the reality that he finds himself in. I probably a little bit of both, but but yeah, I mean I think they've been saying this for a while and a lot of us I think, you know, you definitely heard it then, and I was like hearing it then, I'm like, I was trying to like find the wiggle room. Well, yeah, of course, but Xbox still right, and it's like maybe not. Things are changing pretty fast, and I think Xbox is going to try to figure out what that looks like and it's going to be pretty messy going forward. Now. The other thing I can I corroborate is that a rumor that there will be something at the end of February where they're going to explain this change. That is something that they definitely were talking about. Do they move that up? They probably should, because the fallout online from this really has been a lot of people being like, I am now afraid to buy games digitally on my Xbox or just to invest any more money in Xbox because people are seeing that future and they're like, I don't know if I trust this anymore because I was buying this under the assumption that there would be hardware to support all this and that would be the central hub, and I can come back to that, and that offers a sense of security as someone who's buying something that you're you're invested in the hardware platform, Well, I'll invest as well, and then I'll spend buy some games on there. Once you take away that, that, like Keystone, a lot of people's faith and they begin to get shaken pretty fast. Do you think that they're gonna have to talk about this like this week or do you think they just keep letting the conversation happen and they stick to their plans. I think Singer might be better, but I feel like that there's just maybe still a debate happening. I don't think the plans are settled, and now you don't want to be a situation where you're racing to figure out the plans so you can explain it to people, then that can get messy. But yeah, I mean, god thinks are gonna move fast, right, I mean we all think a Placation five pro is coming, and we don't think a mid jener refresh from Xbox is happening, right, I mean you know, so that's already going to tip things further one way. But then you talk about Gears of War. I mean that's true. Then Gears of War will look better on PlayStations than it will on the Xbox, right, Like this is going to move very fast. If this starts happening like this. Yeah, and those little things like we say that, it's like, okay, we'll sew what I mean, it'll look better on PC. I mean those stories add up fast, and it just makes it feel like the Xbox brand is not valuable and it is easy to ignore. And that's kind of death and I in a lot of ways for a brand when it's like, oh well, I mean you're not investing in it. Why would I? And so it's like again you come right back to that to people thinking it's going to go away, and some it is going to go the way of Sega. It's easy to assume that based on like what like we're sniffing out of these things. They could come out and clear this up and I think set people's minds at ease. But they could also continue doing what Microsoft has been doing for a very long time now, which is like saying one thing and then a few months later kind of doing something that feels like the opposite. So we'll see, all right, we're gonna take a quick break. When we get back, we'll start speculating about what's gonna happen with with a Nintendo direct. If one's gonna happen, we'll see right after this, all right, getting right back into it, Mike, Nintendo Switches Online service spotlights Donkey Kong with a new hub. Nintendo seems to be slowly putting the spotlight back on Donkey Kong with a series of announcements in recent times. He will also start on the upcoming release of Mario versus Donkey Kong Do Out on Switch later this month. With this in mind, Nintendo has now launched a special section and then Nintendo Switch Online Hub highlighting Donkey Kong's retro series You've Got the Arcade and nes Classics, followed by Rarest Donkey Kong Country Trilogy for the Super Nintendo DK VI, and a Donkey Kong fan site pointed this out, and people are speculating that maybe they're doing this because they want to bring more attention to Donkey Kong because there is a maybe a new Donkey Kong game coming. At the very least, we know Donkey Kong is getting a lot of focus because he seems to be He's gonna be a big part of the movies, and they have the ride happening at Universal, but also that stuff could also be part of and there's a game, Well, how do you feel about it? I mean, I don't know if this is necessarily about that. I think this could just be about Mario and Donkey versus Donkey Kong. That's what I mentioned. But also, of course the Donkey Kong game is coming. That is a big name, It is a big franchise. It's kind of the one that was missing in terms of a completely new outing on the switch. At least so far, they can still squeeze one in there. Some of that was just kind of a victim of circumstance because Retro was making those games and they obviously got tied up into Metro point four, which is a very big project. But you know, whether it is that rumor about Donkey Kong being a part of the next three D Mario game or somebody else making a Donkey Kong country, there's going to be a new Donkey Kong game within the next couple of years, I imagine, Yeah, I think that's probably right. Do you think that this is something that could show up at a direct maybe in the next couple of days or next week by the latest. Well, at this point, I imagine whatever that Donkey Kong something is is a switch to game. And I'm still just not sure how much they're talking about that yet at the direct. I know before you told me you didn't think they would talk about the switch to at all in the kind of first direct guess the year because the guess and I'm trying to suss that out now myself, and it is this question of what, well do you talk about then? And there are things like, obviously you saw this Peace Show time coming out, you do have a Metro Prime four. Let's let's just talk about it, all right. So if metroy Prime four isn't at this direct mic and isn't like, oh, Metro Prime four is coming out soon, for the Switch You've won the bet, like it's definitely gonna be I agree, Yes, I think you got it's in terms of that being a Switch one game primarily right, And so I'm like when I say stuff like, I don't think the Switch two will be like get listen. It might get mentioned, It could get mentioned, but I don't think it'll It probably won't get mentioned in my opinion, because I'm working backwards from I still think metroy Prime four to Switch one game, and it stars at this direct and that sets them up until they get, you know, past that, and then they really go all in on Switch To. That may or may not happen. If it doesn't happen, then I think the rollout of what's happening with Ninton over the next several months looks very different. It probably does involve Metro Prime four being a cross gen game, and they start talking about switch To relatively quickly. The timing does make some sense, right because we're in February, so that gives you what like six to nine months of marketing time, and that is a window in which launch you new hardware. You could definitely start talking about it at any moment during that time, but we'll see, Like if they don't mention Switch to and they don't have Metro Prime four, I guess there's a chance it could just be like kind of a fart of a Nintendo Direct. But what is there anything else that could show up that would make you feel better? Now? I mean they will. I kind of hope we get Metric Prime two. We mastered Shadow Dropped. I've been really looking forward you playing that one. There are things like that fire remblem when you make of the geneology, genealogy, genealogy of the Holy Wars, there's that. So there are things like other ports like there, I say, Win Waker or or you know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. But I don't think we're going to be getting I don't. I don't think there's going to be another Giant Switch only game on the level of maybe even a Pigment four again anymore. I think we are going to be getting some like cool things like Princess Peach and some really nice remakes or remasters like Thousand Your Door or or Metally Prime two. But otherwise I think it's coasting a little bit. But I don't know. There's gotta be something for the summer. That's that's a big excite. I think that's I know, that's where you think much right, prime for could a lot in here? Could it? Could? It could? So maybe there's something else happening then. But we know how badly they were burnch trying to support the three DS kind of leading up to and past the switch coming out, and how people just kind of stopped caring and obvious, I don't think people are there with the switch. No, when people talk about the switch right now, they are talking about what's next, what is switched to? That is the conversation. This entire direct is going to be shaped around that conversation, right and then with there when there, when there is the switch to, which is a possibility that's gonna be what people are talking about. Is this anxiety is still not really knowing what that is, what that looks like. Am I gonna be able to play my old games? Is gonna have an all it and all almost the price, all this ot of stuff. I do think at some point, just officially acknowledging it is going to help them. Yeah, And I think I do think the direct probably is gonna happen this week. Well, hopefully we find out by tomorrow whether or not that's true. Uh, but they have their earnings happening. A lot of stuff is lining up where it's like, hey, they could start talking about that hardware. And when I think back the Metroid Prime four, there's really there's two big options. You do treat it like, hey, this is equivalent to Zelda in our mind, and we do want it to be crossjenks. We want it to be a launch game for the next platform and it's that important to us. And then still it's on the old hardware, so I can still sell to that huge audience. At the same time, I think that Nintendo knows the reality and the limits of Metroid and they're like, we should just sell it on the system that has the most people and just make it like clear that it's for that and try to keep people excited about the switch while we still have them buying games on the switch. So it's it's tough to figure out, like which way they're going to go. They could easily choose the route of making it a cross gym game. I just think it it won't be like a Zelda or a Mario where it's like a huge system seller. At least it doesn't seem like it could be, So that don't even you don't even entertain the possibility of it just being out right switch to exclusive, because I still think that's a possible. No, that's possible to it definitely is, but I hope it's not, because that means it's probably a much further off than what we're talking about here. I want to play it now. Other things, you know, Geniality at Holy War, Metroid Prime two three remasters could could come. Uh, do you want to get excited about Spoon Heaven Hollow Night with whoever? The game is silk so so sauce, Yeah, soak songs, they're big suckery. I don't know. It's so weird at this point. It's like that game's got to come out eventually, right, it's definitely big enough at this point to just show up at a direct proper But it's such a fools there and at this point it's weird. Is even when we do finally see it, Like we did finally see it at that Xbox they got some point and it was like, okay, well, still is it coming out any times soon? I guess it was nice to see it. Yeah, the Xbox was like the one where it's like everything's coming in the next twelve months too. That one especially hurts. That's good stuff, man, right, So uh, I mean, Ben, that's that's gonna be probably a pretty big game. I mean I get it in some sense because Hollow Night is like the giant metro Vinya. That's kind of like part of its whole shtick. And once, uh, once Silk Song became a full game set of DLC, I could see while they kept having to sort of add ad ad and add to it to make it as massive, still still a little surprising it is taking that long. And then as some of chat here, let's see see if I can find their name. Yeah, ham Sorrow says, where is Mario Baseball? That could easily be a big summer game? Well big, that could be a summer game for Nintendo pretty easily. Yeah, although usually you want to line those things up with with like April baseball season, which I guess could still happen. Maybe it just comes down the summer. Anyway, it's Mario baseball. I don't think it's Mario baseball. Just shit it out. Whenever somebody's playing baseball somewhere, will hit a ball with his arm again. It'll be great, It'll be fantastic. Uh hey again, if if a direct happens, we'll talk over it. And if it doesn't, that'd be really weird. Actually, so let's move on here. Suicide Squad tops the UK physical charts this week. This is from Chris Scullion at VGC and we have the two dogs inside of all of us of stories for Suicide Suicide Squad. Here in a second, Suicide Squad Killed the Justice League is the number one best selling physical game in this week's UK chart. It's according to Games Industry that Business Chris Dring, the game took the number one spot this week, ahead of Persona three Reload. During also points out the Suicide Squad sold a fewer physical games at launch in the UK than Tech and eight did, but sold more than the last of US two Remastered. It should, of course be noted that the last of US two Remastered offered a ten pound ten dollars upgrade for owners of the PS four version, which would have which would make a clear impact on sales. I think, oh okay. According to Drink Stats, Suicide Squad's physical UK launch is about half of what the Guardians of the Galaxy game sold in a first week in the country. Oh yeah, that's that's it, right, that's I mean, that's the whole story right there. We know that that game was pretty disappointing in terms of sales. I mean it probably got to, like I'm disappointing. It sold millions of copies, probably like two three million. Honestly, I don't know, but half that's my dread numbers. Oh no, yeah, right, that's exactly. That's not an option for Suicide Squad. Seven years of development or whatever the hell. It was very long time since Rex Studies last game. Yeah, that you know. The other story is that Suicide Squad sees less than half the day one Steam players of Avengers. That's from Jordan Miller at VGC. Suicide Squad Killed the Justice League has seen less than half of the day one Steam players as Marvel's Adventures. Yeah, it had thirteen, four and fifty nine, and Avengers at launch had twenty nine, nine and sixteen. And that's good current players. I mean, Dead on Arrival maybe feels a bit harsh, But people don't love this game. Some people like it. The writing seems to be like some people's favorite I saw some jokes that actually I thought were very funny, but that's not enough to get me excited to play the game. And the people who are playing the game that I would expect to be the most gentle on it, like Greg Miller, he gave it a two out of five, Sony, Any chance you're going to go play Suicide Squad here, Mike, Oh yeah, I definitely want to jump in and at least see it for myself. I suppose. I mean, I don't know, Jeff. It seems to kind of just be shaking out, like I think we thought it would shake out. Yeah, almost from the moment this game was announced, we're just sort of feel like, I don't know if that's a good fit. Yep, And it seems like it wasn't a good fit. And like we you know, it was very clear over the last year and a half or so when it's like live service games were kind of entering this shaky period and in the last several months where a bunch of live service games shut down and big ones, small ones, all different sizes, they just like we're going away, and you're like, oh man, this is gonna be a rough time for Suicide Squad to end or the world when we kind of already know what the reality is for for for live service games, you know, some games have something for everyone. It's like Suicide Squad has something for everyone to probably hate. If everyone's gonna find something for some people will be just kind of that that tone it cares for some people, it'll be all the live service elements. For some people's gonna be like you're doctor Batman, and you know, like there's just a lot here that somebody is going to find repulsive in some way or off putting. I suppose, you know, it's a shame because I it's even with the reviews, right, everybody kind of has like the one thing that they do, Like they always point out what I do like this, and then other things not so much. Oh hey, where'd my camera go to? My camera? Oh no, that was you. I killed you. Okay, let's see here. The people are like, hey, the Suicide Squad is just boring and it's all to play, and it's like, yeah, I don't even know if like I want to play it, but I might play it mostly on my own time. I guess maybe we will try to do something on the site with it, but like no, I mean, but like again as a co op thing because it is so cutscene heavy. I'm like that right, and like hell Hell Divers is out this week, and I'm like, well we'll do that for UPF. That's like, that'll be a good time because that's doine I could see how like I know we should play on the site, and we should. It's gonna be like we're gonna get bored and talk with cuts these and people are gonna get mad at us. Right, Well, we'll find some way to do something with Suicide Squad probably, but like for when we have like a thought like oh hey, UPF, let's get four of us together play a game Suicide Squad. Now we're going with Hell Divers. I want to play Hell Divers instead. So it does feel like Suicide Squad's already come and gone. I think you're gonna be in a situation where Huge Games Final Fantasy seven Rebirth is out in a little bit, and I don't think a lot of people are going to look back and even be like, oh I should go back to Suicide Squad or if I was playing it and having an okay time, I think a lot of people are gonna be like I put it down I'm not going to go back to it. The game feels like a huge, huge, like tragedy for rock Steady. This feels like a lot of wasted time, a lot of wasted money, and now what the hell does that studio go and do next? To the leadership left like about a year ago. I think maybe it was a little bit longer than that. They I think they probably at the time I was, we were all saying, like, this is not some special insight, man, they probably know something that we don't, And by looking at it, most of us did know like what this game was going to be. So it's like, God, how do you screw this up this bad? And I think it's just chasing. It really is just chasing after live service stuff and then not knowing how to do that and making these weird decisions like people want to play as the Suicide Squad instead of as Batman. I mean, I guess they had Gotham nights and stuff, but him, you couldn't play Batman in that either. How do they do this, Mike? How do they fuck this up so bad? Honestly, it's like it's like, okay, so you can't plays Batman, so who should we play? As of all these characters like Wonder Woman and and bat at Superman. If it's like first one was like night Wing, right, then they're like get Boomerang. There's a lot of fans who love these characters. But guys, come on, Yeah, I don't want to say DC fans don't matter, but I don't say they're not real people don't deserve right though, Like it's yeah, it's like, uh, it's like what a bunch of people yelled at me when you're playing that Batman game, because some like the person who was like the fifth Batman protege, did your ladies show up? I was like, who's that? Then? Obviously that's like Cassandra, Obviously these aren't real Batman fans like you got me, You're right, Yeah, And Suicide Squad does just feel like one that was such a risky choice at the time, because yeah, that movie made a lot of money on like wishes and farts and and and then the second trailer trailer right and then because a bunch of people like dressing up as Hardy Quid for Halloween that exactly, and then it's like the it's a terrible movie, and that poisoned the second movie which did nothing even though it's actually very good. And so it's like, man, they are stuck on this. They have to keep making a suicide squad. They can't change it now. But hey, here we are. I mean, I think that's why you're going to see like, yeah, we're talking about how license games are. Fact, Jeff, it is going to be very safe licenses. It's going to be stuff that has been around since dinosaurs, like us, we're watching VHS tapes. I'm sorry, Yeah, we apologize everybody you're stuck with. Uh huh. You know, the EA's got those several Marvel games, no guarantee that any of those hit like a Spider Man does. It's like it really is like, yeah, spider Man can work, and that's set the internet. Man. That's the end of the list. I don't know what else can work like Superman, Like that's a challenging thing on its own. But I don't think like people don't are just not going to get out of bed because there's a Superman game, Like it has to be a great game. It has to be. It was Batman and it was Spider Man, and that's the list, and I think everything after that is going to be kind of a big risk. It's some of that is legacy because they're just there hasn't been a good Superman game, right, Yeah, there's like what the death of Superman, the weird beat him up that Blizzard made that was okay, Yeah, like a bunch of really bad stuff. All right, let's keep moving here. Star Wars Jedi Survivor won a Grammy beating out Stray Gods. This is from Darren Bonfuse at game Spot. Star Wars Jedi Survivor has picked up a big wins. The game's soundtrack was honored with a Grammy during this year's Music Industry Awards event, recognized for Best Score Soundtrack for Video Games and Other Interactive Media. The award went to composers Steven Barton and Gordy Habe. Mike, you want to yell about this. I'm sure this is not your choice for best music from a game. A little I gos a little confusing, because I mean, we did a whole day talking about video game music from that year on this site. I don't know if we talked about Star Wars Jedi Survivor. I guess I shouldn't be shocked that the people from the Grammys weren't heavily considering the Octopath Draft sound draft. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, here's from a bunch of people who probably didn't play very manyvideo games thought was the best video game sound trick of the year. Okay, if I could eliminate any one award show, it probably would be the Grammys. Like the music like until we Got Fast Card okay, listen, yes, and actually the show itself, like that was pretty and entertaining. I suppose, just like music awards are so weird because it's such a subjective thing. Like in video games. It's like there's there's this on the screen craft that goes along with the artistry and all that stuff. Music, it's just like you like it or you don't. I don't know what else to say. I mean, obviously there's craft in it, but there's well crafted songs that people are like, I don't like this at all. It just doesn't vibe with me, and so I'm gonna give it award to something else. It's just weird, uh, all right. Japanese celebrities have reportedly been told not to mention Power World to avoid Pokemon backlash. This is from Jordan Midler at VGC. It's like Mitcheining and the Mafia. Japanese entertainment professionals have been reportedly told to refrain from mentioning Powell World in public or on social media to avoid potential backlash from the Pokemon company. Tokyo Sports reports that, according to a talent talent agency source, talent have been advised not to mention the game in case there are are issues. We have told our talent not to mention Power World on social media or in public. The source said this was done out of consideration for the Pokemon side as an agency. This decision was made in consideration of future potential collaborations. And that's power right there is the Pokemon coming. Didn't have to say anything, and they're just like the fear struck into its literally like Mafia power It really is. Yeah, I can change the way we talk about things as we're worried about upsetting you talking about normal things just going on. And that also I think it also speaks to just how popular and powerful Power World has become because they probably didn't need to say this about Robopond or Meta Box. I don't think no, probably it was just fine. I mean Powerld's on h on Game Pass and it's doing very well. They're like, I mean, is that a boost for them at all? Is it? Or is it still just not really anything for them to get super excited about. Uh for for Xbox, I mean, I think it's every little bit helps, But I mean, I think it really comes down to how many new subscriptions they're adding. I think they were expecting a significant boost due to Starfield, and I don't think Starfield led to that significant boost in the way that they thought it would. And now everything else is kind of like, well, Okay, even Powerworld's working better than we expected. There's no way Power World is driving the kind of thing that they expected Starfield to do for them. Yeah, I guess the good news is, you know why with Starfield it maybe just wasn't quite good enough. But again, are you fee looking at your pipeline, like, well, what that was our shot in terms of like potentially being this mass appealing thing, Like, yeah, we have help Blake too this year, and but that's you know, maybe a bit more niche. We have Indiana Jones that's gonna be hit, But man, nobody saw that last movie. Is that going to really be able to be some of some absolutely massive, massive thing. Who knows. Yeah, I guess I could see why if Starfield didn't do what they did for them, I could see that being so disheartening and so big that it can change your entire strategy. Yeah, I mean, and again, like you know, people will say, when like we're talking, when I'm talking about this on Twitter, well what about all the other games that got announced that had to come out there in a perfect dark and avowed and all these other ones. And I mean, let's just like, let's be realistic, realistic, and let's like think what what is probably happening. What's probably happening is the people in charge of Xbox are going and looking at these games and saying, well, we don't expect any of these things to do what we expected Starfield to do. And even if the ones might suddenly break out, one breakout hit is not enough. It has to be a consistent string of massive successes to do any dentt into what we need to dent in order to make a change in the industry in terms of our market share and things like that. And so it's like it's an uphill climb, it's one that might actually be impossible, and They're just that they haven't been good at it so far, and so to expect like, oh, it's suddenly going to change because all these other unknown games. Why not put yourself in a situation where just releasing pretty good games is a huge win on its own. Now, what does that look like? Again? Who knows, But just the idea that they're like, oh, all these games waiting in the wings to change Microsoft's fortune, I think the reality is, no, that's not happening, and that could be I think that should be disheartening to a certain extent, but I think it's also reckoning with reality, all right. Finally, Nintendo expects to announce thirteen percent rise in third card third quarter net profit tomorrow. That's according to industry analysts that are looking at when Nintendo might report their earnings. Will be announced this week. This is from my Nintendo News. Nintendo is set to announce it's third quarter results tomorrow, and there's a number of things to look for. Market Watch says that they expect Nintendo to announce a hefty thirteen percent rise in net profit to one hundred and thirty point three seven billion yen. Nintendo previously made around one hundred and fifteen point seven eight billion net. Basically, the industry is expecting big, a big boost for Nintendo in terms of profitability across the board, and that's a pretty good sign, especially for a time when like you would expect profits to be dripping off because they're investing so much in the next gen hardware. It seems like Nintendo is saving money by making fucking LCDs instead of O leads. But yeah, uh, Nintendo in terms of like where they're at financially, they are very strong, but they want to invest in making a lot more games. Mike, do you think that they are going to be able to do that in a way that's sustainable and like, while a lot of these other companies have struggled, do you think there's a Nintendo way of doing things where they're going to be able to maintain this as they go into the switch to I don't think it's going to come for Nintendo, oh little bit here, I think, you know, I mean it has already in some ways, right, I mean Tiers of the Kingdom took a very long time to make, and that was a Zelda game that was using a lot from its predecessor, I mean, probably specifically to save time too write like they probably did that to save time and it was still like seven years. Yeah, I think that, you know, that's just the reality of making games, especially certain kind of games. And for a while they got, okay, we're making like a Pigment four, so that that's okay, it won't take quite as long. We could still make that somehow beat this million dollar soellar and have an advantage there that they can present games of that kind of investments as big deals in a way that Microsoft struggles to with something like a High Fi Rush, Right, But no games are going to get longer to make it. Eventually, it is going to feel like, oh, we don't get as many big matel games as we used to now. I think they're aware of that, and that's why we do get things. And they have the benefit of being able to do things like remasters and remakes, or like what people were saying La too long ago, maybe partnering with more indie studios or just other third party publishers and giving them kind of the keys of the kingdom, letting them play with your characters, just so that you are constantly releasing these franchises. I mean, that's so much of it is that Nintendo has invested in all these franchises and kind of diagnosing what happened with Xbox. I think they really lost a trick where you know, we talk about actual Xbox franchises. They're still going on that people care about. It's like Halo, which took just taking a big beating lately. It's Gears, which has been gone for a while, and Fortza, which is fortsa like that that's nice, but you know, like and Nintendo was able to do things like keep making fire emblems when it wasn't the biggest do in the world until suddenly it is a big deal, like it was Installment eleven or something like that. Yeah, whereas microsofts will make two Crimson skies and like both of them are are good and do okay, and they're like, well, we're not doing that ever again anymore because it wasn't some giant hit right away, or you mean, you know, like, you know, we joked about Blinks the Time Sleeper, but like why not like make new blinks of time Sleep for every five six years and eventually just kind of by proxy, it becomes beloved and then it can blow up at any point, you know. PlayStation time this problem to a lesser degree two of losing a lot of its legacy franchises just because they don't have those Japanese studios who made those games anymore. That is Nintendo's biggest strength is that it has a lot of legacy and it still capitalizes on that legacy. Yeah, I mean, I think there's something to what you're saying about sticking to things. Like I think a few years back, maybe five ten years, people looking at the Japanese video game and industry would be like, well, we should probably like kind of really deemphasize that, and Sony definitely has they like, we want to sell games globally and that means not worrying so much about what the Japanese audience wants, and Nintendo's like, well, I'm just gonna keep doing me. And now their Japanese sales continue to grow year over year, and it's it's in a situation where like they dominate the chart. There was like the best selling games in Japan and you know the the fifteen sixteen of them are just Nintendo games, and a lot of that is Nintendo does have a longer legacy and then that stuff is paying off. But a lot of it's just like No, Nintendo slowly sort of just molded itself into the kind of company that fit with the way Japanese gamers are playing, and then they are at the same time, they just kept making the games that they've always made, and like, oh, those two, those two things wrapped back around, and now the Japanese audiences are showing up and droves for like Splatoon and for Pickman four, a game that sold a million copies physically in Japan alone or something like that. Maybe it's like physical and digital, but a million copies for Pickman four alone in Japan. That's something that we just don't see many of these other companies even attempting, let alone succeeding at So yeah, all right, I mean, you know, like an Xbox like does like find itself in position of Benja Kazui and they make kind of like one weird game with it. It's like, oh, oh, well, yeah, then never ever again. And I mean I think that's that that fear during that portion of like the Xbox era was definitely real. And and I remember Phil Spencer talking a bunch of times about like getting into destiny and like looking at telemetry data and saying people are watching a lot of TV, and they're and they're playing one game a lot, or playing one or two games a whole bunch. Uh So why are we making all these games that these people aren't playing? So you can't, I don't think you can think that way. And their answer to that was game pass. They did to the to the you know, to their point. To their credit, they came up with their own solution to that problem that they created in their heads. But maybe maybe at a certain point it was too little, too late. And now we're like, okay, so you put out pentiment and all these other things that are kind of beloved, but they they do feel like they are. People are asking where are the big games in this service? And and it's just, I don't know, too little, too late in a lot of ways. All right, let's start wrapping things up. I got the pull question from well Man more than a week. I said the Xbox series X was a really bad name and it might have like an impact of the kind. Do you think I was right there? Do you think that name is bad? And that didn't help? I think I'm right. Yes, I was gonna say I think that you have to look at all the factors and I don't think that that is not a fact. That definitely is something that contributed in some ways. I don't think it's the only thing, and definitely not the dely not, but yeah, you bet he back going back to Xbox One and you know the whole everything with Halo first, it wasn't a lunch Ago was supposed to do that. It came out and it didn't do what it needed to do. Well of things just didn't do what they needed to do, all right. Poll question from last week, what update cycle do you want to see for handheld PCs? Uh seven percent say they want a major annual update like phones, twenty five percent say they don't care about handheld PCs, and sixty eight percent say they want an update about every three years or so, which seems to be what steam deck is going to do. And I've I've been playing that percent of three reload on my raw ally and it's been kind of amazing. I've been having such a good time with that because I have not been using the handheld pieces too much. I've had so much stuff to play on my switch that I had just been doing that, and here it was finally like okay, well, persona it's such as a big kind of grinding, but in a nice way DRPG And I'm going to sit on my computer and do that. I want to do that and cozy Betty by time, and god, it works really well on that machine. It's fantastic. Yeah, I was touched out the Neo slide for a while and and I like that thing, but I went back to the steam deck o led boy boy, that think's very good. And honestly, using the slide and finding it a bit uncomfortable made me really appreciate how comfortable the rog is at the battery life. When the thing it's just kind of rough. That's it is it is, and it's like it's a good thing. I'm literally just right by its charger in the bed there, or I am playing in a way where I am probably just going to play an hour to ninety minutes at night. But yes, it's not the battery. And when you have that thing plugged in, you actually get the better formats anyhow, because as long as you use the charger when it comes with it, it like boosts even higher than turbo. So that's that's pretty cool. You know where I wonder where in that charger find I think you get that. I didn't get like thirty watts instead of twenty five. What's there's probably a way to customize it so that you can do that with any charger, but it definitely just automatically does it with the charger that came in the box. All right, I have a new poll question. We'll get that up in a second, but before well, while we get that set up, Mike, why don't you tell people where they can find you where, like what we have going on? All that good stuff? Yeah? Yeah, do check out games Beats where I am managing editor. Nineties Disney had a new episode go up to start the month about Castle of Illusions starring Mickey Mouse. They're talking about some Mickey Mouse video games on nineties Disney, So uh yeah, take take a listen if you haven't. It was a lot of fun for me. Good stuff. How about you, Jeff, what do you have going on? Do you have a nice week off? Yeah? It was nice, It was it was yeah. I mean it was fun to like hop pop back in on stuff and help out. It was a lot of fun doing Dan Doko there and people should go watch that. I had a really good time obviously. Blake Club was tremendous. Uh continues to be a really great season. Looking forward to doing more of that this week. So yeah, Giant Bomb will have a whole bunch of stuff this week. Well, we're gonna go in the MEETI and figure that out. But like I said, we'll probably play hell Divers on Friday. Maybe that could change, could shift around, but probably Helldivers on Friday, Blake Club on Wednesday. We'll get a few other things in there. I'll probably finish off a Tale of the Sun. I want to do that, So maybe maybe we could do that today, even it depends on whether or not I take the kid this speech. Yeah, you've been doing a lot of mammos. You can't be too far off right exactly. I think we are. We're on our on our way to get in there. Come. Every time I talked to you on Twitter, I get all these replies about like something to do with foreign governments and something. I don't know. There's a lot of that idea. You don't take a lot of Russian bots or I think it's German. Actually, I know, why did the German all up in your mention? I have no idea. I did not notice this. I might have them filtered out because I talk to you on Twitter. I get a bunch of Yeah, one of them literally as a bored ape profile. A lot of them too, actually weird. No, I seriously have not seen this. I see the porn ebots find everything. Yeah, I see that. You know, you know what's in bio all of the time. I don't know. I know. Maybe I'm just very popular with people trying to manipulate governments. It makes sense if you think about it. I like that. All right. A new pole question. Are you concerned about the future of your Xbox purchases? Yes? Or no? We'll get that up there and we'll discuss that on Games Mornings on Wednesday, which will be in the next episode tomorrow is the Giant BombCast. Be sure to tune in for that. I can't wait to get back on that show and get everything going again this week. All right, Mikey, thank you so much for hanging out with me today and talking about video games. I really appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I thought i'd switch it up and talk to you about these things for a change. Yeah. You know, we always like to keep people on their toes. I was I was actually very I was like almost axious to talk to you about. So I was very happy I could be. Yeah, me too. I was like, yeah, but if I can get Mikey, that'd be great. So we hadn't talked about this stuff, and I got miss game mess and stuff last week, so the our podcast. So yeah, it's been a minute. All right, everybody, thank you for watching your the best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one, take care of yourself, and goodbye. Fait a bla
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