755: A Diverse Running Back Class

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Speaker 1: This is the lad Podcast with your host JJ Zacher Retha j J.

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Speaker 2: Zacher reson.

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, It's JJ zachar esen in. This is episode seven and fifty five of the Late Round Fantasy Football podcast sponsored by FanDuel. Thanks for tuning in. This year's running back draft class is a really, really interesting one. You've got b Jon Robinson at the top, a lot of people love Jamir Gibbs, zach Sharbonay looks like a good bet, and then there's a whole lot of question marks. But those question marks aren't a bad thing. It's just that right now today we don't seem to have a consensus RB four in this class. But because it's a pretty deep class, there are a whole lot of running backs who can end up in that spot post draft. You've heard my take on a lot of these running backs already, so I decided to have a chat with my friend Derek Brown about this class. You may know Derek from his workover at Fantasy Pros. Deebro has a different evaluation process than I do, so it's good to get another viewpoint on these players. We talked last week about Jon Robinson's elite status Jamiir Gibbs, size concerns, why Derek is nervous about Kendre Miller, and so much more. The conversation is jam packed with information. So without further ado, here's my chat with fantasy pros Derek Brown. All right, d bro, I think it's important that we sort of establish what your evaluation processes with prospecting. So would you consider yourself someone who leans heavily on data or are you just grinding film to help evaluating players each and every year? So what's your process?

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Speaker 2: Like? All right? So, j J I'm gonna take the other side of this, And I know that people always talk about the marriage of film and data, but that's honestly what I try to do, man Like, I take a lot of data points and that's really where I head first. So looking at running backs specifically, I look at yards up to contact per attempt, breakaway percentage PFF, elusive rating, and then you know, you get into the past game side like target share, yards per rout run, college dominator, collegiate target share, and so I usually I'll break down those things first, see where the prospect lies and stuff, and then I'll head to the film and you know, as well as I do. Like there's not as much film for some guys that's out there. Some guys like you can get and really I try to get as much all twenty two as I can if I can and it's out there. I try to watch at least five games for every player that I'm evaluating, and then as I'm watching film and I get into that, I will also kind of go back to the numbers to help explain some of the things that I'm seeing on film With running backs. Is it a guy that you know, maybe he's not a breakaway runner, okay, you see that in the numbers. Maybe he has run in an offense collegiately that was really zone heavy, or he's schemed versatile. So really trying to marry the two as best as I possibly can to really get the best picture that I can of these prospects. And that's that's really for just for running backs, for wider for every position. Is what I do that for.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So now that we have that established, we know that you're not as nerdy as I am with this stuff, although I try to be. I try to be to be fair, to be fair, we're all we're all nerds here. We're all I'm not a model guy, so I can't say the word model on this show, but I exactly exactly. Let's let's talk about these prospects because this is a really really interesting twenty twenty three running back class. It feels like we're sort of obligated to kick things off with Bjhon Robinson, So let's just get this out of the way. Is Bijon Robinson your RB one? Yes? And how does he stack up against other elite prospects sort of like the last decade or so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's my RB one and I couldn't imagine ranking him otherwise. I don't think anybody is. And it's funny because when you threw this question at me in the show sheet, I was like, man, that's a really good question, Like I need to go kind of deep dive and look at how he does stack up. And honestly, as much as I love bej On going into this process, after I did that thought exercise, I love him even more. Man. I went back in and compared him against fourteen where we'll turn like elite running back prospects. So Derrick Henry, CMC, Chubb, Zeke Fournette, Saquan Melvin Gordon, Dalvin Cook, JT. Kenneth Walker through in there too, Breist Todder Gurley, Joe Mixon, and Najie Harris just name a few. And what I compared Bijon against was one his collegiate career yards after contact per attempt, breakaway percentage, his career PFF Allusive rating, and his single season best PFF Allusive rating with meeting the threshold of one Hunter carries, and Bijon just popped like throughout the comparison. He's first in yards after contact per attempt against this sample size, he's ninth in breakaway percentage, and he's also first and also PFF Allusive rating and single season PFF Elusive rating. So I mean, like I said, he just pops in everything that you look at from a tackle breaking perspective, and even when you look at the past game you utility. He was seventh amongst these fourteen running backs and yards per route run, So I think that he's got that ceiling as well. While he might not have the elite ceiling of CMC and such in the past game, his utility in the past game is still going to be extremely good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way I've seen him, at least through my model and such has been like I mean, his top comp through the model and through the lens of that model was Bresall. But he's like a Breshall plus, Like he's basically doing the things that Bresaw can do, but he's been better at doing those things. And that's nothing against Bresall, because Breese Hall is also a monster, as we saw last year before that acl all Right, So after Bijon Robinson, Jamiir Gibbs is sort of the consensus RB two at the moment. A lot of people are even drafting him ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba. But I've seen your rankings I Senior takes. You've got Zach Sharbonay ahead of him right now, especially if they do end up having the same draft draft capital or similar draft capital. So before we talk Zach Sharbonay, because that's going to be really interesting, I think let's talk about how Jamier Gibbs. What is it that sort of worries you about him, at least compared to how the consensus seems to view him, Because how the consensus seems to view him is very very very favorable.

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Speaker 2: The consensus is extremely bullish And I'm not trying to toss Shay to Jamier Gibbs and say that I hate the prospect. I mean, he's my RB three. But everybody talks about this as an arbitrary cut off line, the two hundred pound mark. It's arbitrary until you actually look at what NFL teams have done. And we always say that volume is king for running backs. Okay, well, then it's harder to craft the volume narrative for running back like Jamier Gibbs, who wait at one ninety nine. If you look back to twenty seventeen, the list of sub two hundred running backs that have had at least two hundred touches in a season is Philip Lindsay in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, Miles Gaskin in twenty twenty one, and Dion Lewis in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. That's it. That's end of list. So unless we're talking about like going back to yesteryear like Chris Johnson, and I've seen the comparisons to him and Jamal Charles and stuff like that, like those are legendary players, outlier players like that's not the consensus, and especially in today's NFL. So his weight is a concern for me, and we we're assuming rational coaching too. JJ with like the past game role, like that's still a projection. To say that he's really good in the past game does not mean that he is going to end up with Alvin Kamara production. He can easily be DeAndre Swift and that's not a knock on him, but that's not the same type of ceiling. And we're also projecting at that size that he's going to walk into an NFL offense and he's going to garner goal line carries, the red zone work. And if that doesn't happen, then what are we talking about here? Like if just to give some context here, and I threw this out on a show earlier this week, it's like Jamira Gibbs is not that far and away a different from a size perspective, Yes, from an athleticism perspective, he's different, But how is he that much different from a size from a size angle the James Cook. If he walks out of his rookie season with like a James Cook type of ear people are going to be extremely upset about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I've even looked at the weight stuff, and it's part of the model too. Is weight just straight up weight. I mean, it's a very very important factor. And I looked at the weight stuff a lot this offseason in particular, and even when you adjust for draft capital, because because the argument against that is going to be, oh, well, we don't get a lot of sub two hundred pound or even sub to five pound first two round pick running backs. And that's not wrong. There's not a ton of them, but there have been a decent amount of them. There's been guys that just haven't really panned out that well, and when you adjust for that, when you adjust for draft capital, it still doesn't really paint the best picture for Jamiir Gibbs. I don't mind Gibbs whatsoever. I think he's a good prospect. But I think the issue is that there's been sort of just this ignorance towards the weight stuff, as you noted, where I think, at the very least, the way that I look at these prospects is like, go into it and they're perfect prospects when I start, and I just start trying to poke holes in them and find these red flags. That's a red flag for Gibbs it's it's a straight up red flag. And I'm not even saying like, oh, he's there. You know, he's under two hundred pounds, therefore he's bad. It's just that even if you look at two hundred and five pounds, two hundred and ten is really a clearer cutoff, honestly, and he's got eleven pounds to get there. And then you know the Alvin Kamara comps that are out there, he's fifteen pounds. He's fifteen pounds later than Alvin Kamara. You know, it's thank you.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody throws the Alvin Kamara comp out, and I'm like, they're not even in the same ballparks stylistically and size wise, Like can we stop making this comp Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, like I can understand again from like a production standpoint, really similar how they produced in college. But as players, you know, Kmera can garner a lot more, a lot larger workload just given that size. I think that's a big, big problem. So you have Sharpena ahead of Gibbs. I mean, I know it was only like one spot. It's not like something super super significant at this point, but I do think it's interesting. It's something that we should dig into. Some might say that Sharbonag is sort of like a boring running back, maybe he lacks him upside. Do you see that in him? And are there any strong comparables that you see watching him?

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Speaker 2: I mean when I watch Sharbona, I don't see the boring aspect of him, Like and then he goes out and he tests well and he proves that part of his evaluation, Like he had an eight point seven RAS score, which I mean, it's not in the nines. It's not like something that's going to blow your socks off, but it's far from bad, especially when you marry that, like he hit both seventy percent stile on speed and burst scores, Like those things alone are going to like where it feels the fact of he's got more juice than some people want to give him credit for. And if you also go back and look at what he did in his final season at UCLA, he was fourteenth and yards after contact for attempt and twenty second and pff elusive ratings. So I'll push back on that he's boring. He's and he's a grinder and stuff like that. Closest he was a really really hard player to comp because with style, his style, like he runs and plays like a back that has more weight to him and more power to him than you would necessarily think with his size. The closest I got, and it's not even a great one, was he's basically AJ Dillon on intermittent fasting. He's just skinnier AJ Dillon. That's it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Some of the some of the analytical ones that came up for me. And again this isn't This is purely based on what the numbers are saying. It's not even necessarily stylistic. But it was like a Sony Michelle Kareem Hunt sort of mold where guys who who are able to carry that work. I know, Michelle, you know hasn't really panned out to the to the point of of what most thought, you know, as he entered the league. But I do think that again, you know, Kareem Hunt isn't the most like electric fun running back to watch per se, but he gets it done like well, you know, especially especially in his heydays. So you know, I agree with you. I think Sharbonay and the gap between Gibbs and Sharbonay should at least be a lot closer than it currently is in the market. You know, I'm not quite to the point of putting Sharbonay above Gibbs, but I've said on many shows this offseason, if that draft capital is close, I can see an argument Slash I could even put sharbon Ay above Gibbs post draft.

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Speaker 2: Well, and going back to the wait conversation, just real fast, that's what pushes Charboney over Gibbs from Zach because you're talking about again we go back to the to the tired narrative of volume is king. But if you're trying in your mind's eye to sit here and say, Okay, which one of these guys can I envision getting two hundred touches even in the rookie season two fifty three hundred touches, that's not a hard case to make. For Zach Charboney, that case gets pretty difficult or you got to do some delicate squinting. For Jamior Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the best pro Gibbs argument in terms of drafting him, you know, maybe at the one oh three or something like that. Hope. You know I like Jsnan more than him. I know you do too, But I think one of the best art it's four Gibbs that if you're playing strictly the market, I don't think that his value necessarily is going to drop dramatically after year one, just given what we've seen historically from guys who are drafted early, et cetera, et cetera. So if you want to play that game, I totally get it. But I agree with you that there is a range of outcomes here with Gibbs, that where he has more of that James Cook type first year, whereas with sharbon Ay if he gets a draft capital. Of course, with sharbon Ay, you know, I think that the workload should be there for him in year one, assuming you know, he does get like round two draft capital. So after Robinson, Gibbs and sharbon a pre draft, it seems like things are just totally up in the air right now. I mean, you can make an argument for so many different running backs in that RB four spot. I think that you have one of the more bold picks at RB four right now in your rankings. I love it. I think it's a lot of fun. But it's Evan Hall. Hall someone that I've had my eye on too. I know we've talked about this on Twitter before, and my model definitely likes him more than the consensus does. But what do you love about Evan Hall?

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Speaker 2: I mean, ever since we went down to Senior Bowl and I saw him practice there, I mean, breaking down his film everything. I love his game because he's one of the few running backs in this draft class where making the narrative or at least trying to sit here and build the case of Okay, can he be a workhorse? Can he be a three down back? Is not difficult at all with Evan Holl. He fits the size thresholds. And for everybody listening out there, there were all these narratives coming into the process from Senior Bowl. What have you. I sat down and talked to Evan Hall at Senior Bowl and I was like, what's your forty gonna look like? What your testing gonna look like? Because back then it was, oh, he's gonna run a four six, Oh he's not that athletically inclined. And then he goes out to the combine. He does every single test. He tests almost exactly like Bjehon Robinson. For everybody at home, like if you're looking at the forty times, his ten yards split, his vertical, his broad jump, all the exact same, and he weighs in damn near close to b Jeon Robinson as well. All these things just pop for me JJ as well as if you look at Evan Hall and we talk about we want guys that have the receiving utility in the past game upside, how is a guy that led all FBS running backs and receiving yards last year with seventh in yards per route run and sixteenth and PFF receiving grade getting capital of o projected in the fifth and sixth round and he goes out and he proves that he is an above average athlete, a really good athlete. Yeah. I mean people have talked about it, like and I get tweets even now, like you have Evan Hall at RB four. Okay, that's just for clicks, It's not. It's really not with all the things that you look on of and all.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give people a very easy cheat code for running back evaluation, and it's if you can find a bigger bodied back, which Evan Hall generally is. If you can find a bigger body back who has a good receiving profile done, that's all really like you want that combination. That's what Ramandre Stevenson had even like AJ Dillon, had a decent receiving profiles, just that everyone thought that it wasn't because that team didn't throw a lot in college, but his percentage of receiving work within his offense was not that bad. But you can go down the list. I mean, there's a lot of players like that where if you can make that combinations. Part of the reason why I was on Isaiah Pacheco last year, same reason as AJ Dillon. The offense sucked, wasn't great, wasn't throwing the ball a lot, But Isaiah Pacheco still had a decent reception share within that offense, and he was a bigger body back who had the athleticism. So I'm in on Evan Hall. Like I said, I love the boldness of him being your RB four pre draft. I think he's definitely someone that people should have an eye on. So you know, we talked about Jamior Gibbs and his size. There are two sort of smaller productive running backs in this class that one of them is getting a lot of love and could go in the second round even in Devon a chain and then the other one being Duz Vaughan who has a godly production profile. I mean, duz Van's production profile is just otherworldly. But are these guys avoids for you in rookie drafts? Because how's of that size they are?

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Speaker 2: They're both easy fades, and I've got both of them basically buried in my and my ranks right now. You won't see devon a Chain top five. You won't see Deuce Fawn top fifteen in my ranks. And this comes down to again, we're talking about the size, and it's really I know, we all kind of like to pick and choose our outliers, and some like to, you know, go with guys and say, look, he's just that talented. That's just not how I approach it. JJA, Like you're looking at both of these guys are under one ninety. Both these guys are under five to ten. Going back all the way to two thousand, there is no running back that has weighed less than one hundred and eighty pounds that has gotten more than one hundred and fifty touches outside of work done straight up. So unless you're saying that he's gonna be work done over the last twenty three years, I don't know how he's gonna pan out, So that's really not an outlier that I'm going to sit here and toss my chips in on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it makes total sense to me, especially a chain, because the ADP and the cost and acquiring him is gonna be a lot more significant than Douce von dous. I can understand more just because he'll be like a dart throw fourth rounder probably in like super flex and stuff, so it's not as big of a deal, and at least he has that production profile. But I'm with you overall that we can't ignore the weight side of things. And I do think also, you know, going back to Gibbs and talking about these guys, anytime you're digging so deep to find comps, good comps that go back to like two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine, Like, at some point you can say it. You can say, you know, oh CJ. Spiller's a good comp, or Chris Johnson's a good comp. But at some point you have to be realistic and say, maybe it's not a good thing that these comps are so old. You know that they're not in recent memory, and they're not in today's NFL per se. You know, I think that that's also somewhat of a problem with these guys.

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Speaker 2: No, and I absolutely agree. And that's why when I'm going back and I'm looking like for statistical comparisons and stuff like when I talked about it earlier with Gibbs, like, I'm limiting that to the last five, six, seven years. Because the NFL has changed, we see more committee backfields. NFL teams are not willing one feed the type of volume they used to Like, you're not gonna see the type of volume to these smaller backs like a Ray Rice Chris Johnson like they used to do back then. That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Now, right exactly. So one player who's just naturally difficult for numbers to fall in love with is Roshan Johnson because he played a backup role to again, one of the best prospects that we've ever seen at the running back position in Bejeon Robinson. So give me your take on Roshan. Do you think that he has a three down skill set?

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Speaker 2: I think he has a three down skill set in the sense that he's got the size to handle the workload. And if you look at where he's both the eye test when I was at Senior Bowl and his ability in pass protection drills before he broke his hand and had to leave, as well as just the numbers aspect, like he was twentieth in PFF pass blocking grade. So while I don't look at him as being an outstanding wide receiver probably or outstanding receiving threat out of the backfield, I think he could be serviceable. And with zero point nine to one yards per route run for his collegiate career, that puts him in a tier of guys that I'll look at. Okay, you're probably not gonna like be a high value pass game asset, but if you combine the fact that he could pass block, the fact that he also pops on per carry metrics, like the guy had a four point zero six or higher yards utter contact per attempt in each of his last three seasons, you marry all this together, and I think he could be a workhorse in that he's not gonna come off the field because he can pass protect. That's gonna give him enough routes to if he falls into fifty sixty targets in a season, plus the early down work. Yeah, I think that's absolutely in his range of outcomes.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that that he's the uh, the Ezekiel Elliott replacement in Dallas, because they're they're they're they're gonna go that route. They're gonna they need another running back on that roster. And so I think that we would all at least breathe this asigh relief. If you're a Tony Pollard backer, that it wouldn't be Bijon, but it could be Bjeon's backup in college in Roshan who again, you know, someone who my model will just not like because it's production based, and you know, it's just the way that it is. But I think that you can subjectively look at this situation and say, Okay, you know, he backed up such a good prospect, and Bijon Robinson, we can cut him a little slack for the for the lack of production.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: Someone who you seem to be lower on is Kendre Miller. My model is just sort of whatever with him. I really haven't sort of gone in the in the positive, gone the positive route or the negative route with him so far through my evaluation process. You know, I'm just sort of he's a guy who at least has decent enough size. Maybe he could he could become something, you know, sort of in that like he was at least pre pro dae for Izzy A Banacanda. He was sort of like in that tier for me. But what are you seeing with Kendrey Miller, because he seem to be a little bit lower on him.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand like the the abject fascination with Kendre Miller. I've seen some ranking sets have him at like R five and and that's this again, we talked about it like after RB three. This is kind of a pick your own flavor type of running back class right now. So the thing that people are doing with me ranking Evan Hull high, I'm kind of like staring at Kendre Miller and wondering why, because when you turn on the film, I think he's a north South grinder. I think he could be a volume back, but you look at the other parts of his profile. He had point seven six yards per running college, He was thirty fourth percentile in collegiate target chair, never got a target shair above five point one percent. So the pass game utility, you're really hoping this guy is a one a early down compliment in a committee to really kind of hit and then we've got one year of not amazing but not terrible tackle breaking metrics like he was top thirty and various categories over on PFF. I just I don't see a profile like to me, Kendre Miller is not a guy that sits or stands at the top of the table for really a law long tier of guys where you're saying, Okay, he's good at this or if he lands at this spot and they're a zone team, he just he's in that tier and he's not at the top of it, like yeah, yeah, I mean you hit the nail on the head, like is he a band of Canada hopped up whenever we saw his testing and you're looking at, okay, he's in that long tier. I think I've got more faith in Roshan. So if I'm looking at comparables in this class of guys that I'm hoping kind of fall into the same type of situations or roles in the NFL, I'm just not that enamored with everything I'm looking at for Kendrey Miller.

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Speaker 1: So in that backfield at TCU in twenty twenty one, we saw Zach Evans with Kendrey Miller and then obviously he transferred. But some people absolutely love Zach Evans. He's probably, like low key, the most polarizing running back in this draft class, like oddly, but some people love him. Some people just don't like it love him. My model certainly does not love him because the production was not consistently there in college. So where do you stand with Zach Evans. I'm really curious about this.

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Speaker 2: I have been RB fifteen buried. I'm not in on Zach Evans and from even a film perspective to even looking at the numbers, I mean the closest comp where we're size wise and skill set wise, I mean I basically just said he's Ronald Jones two point zero. I mean you look at his skill set, he's top thirty, top thirty seven and multiple efficiency metrics, but he's a zero in the past game like the guy was eighty eighth and PFF receiving great. He never even garnered more than nineteen targets in any season at ole Miss. So looking at again the pass game utility, I'm like, you're not a good enough earlier down runner to where I think you're going to be able to cement yourself in that role to even get targets because you're on the field a ton, so looking at that and you turn on the film, he's a linear runner. He's not a great he's not extremely elusive. He's brought down by the first tackler a lot of times. His burst is okay, but I don't think he has a home run gear. So everything I'm looking at on Zach Evans, I'm like, Okay, that's good, but not great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things that I was really hoping for with him was that he would just have weighed in larger, because there were some you know, if depending on where you looked, he was like two fifteen in some spots, Yeah, whereas then you know, he weighed in at like two oh two. So like that, that to me was also a flag with him. But yeah, you know, right now I'm more out than in. I do think that draft capital for him is probably gonna go a long way. So we'll see where he ends up going. But he's a really really interesting prospect just because he's so polarizing. Now, obviously there's tons of running backs we haven't talked about today, So I'm just gonna end with a very very open ended question of the backs that we didn't talk about who were a couple that people should keep an eye on.

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Speaker 2: So the first guy I got to bring up here is Taj Spears, and not staying with the Senior Bowl trend, but seeing Taj Spears again, we go back to the wait him weighing in at Senior Bowl at two oh four and he was listed like, how often do we see that happen? JJ, Like, where guy's listed in the one nineties and then he comes out and he's actually heavier, And we talked to Taja and he's like, yeah, I bulked up to sit here and get up this weight. I want to prove the NFL teams that I can handle the workload. And so him being one ninety seven, one ninety six, one ninety nine on various platforms where he was listed at and coming in at two oh one two oh four puts him in a different tier and looking at him from a little bit of a different light, now, is that two ten two fifteen? No, But that changes the flavor a little bit, and you marry that with his production metrics from Tulane, like this guy was top fifteen and yards up to contact breakaway percentage and PFF elusive rating. He had a four point five to four career yards up to contact Mark at Tulane. That's fantastic. And I know he didn't test extremely well, but he didn't bombs testing either, Like his raz was not fantastic. But again, a guy that I think that could go on Day two and if the draft capital follows suit, I think that there are a lot of things to like in his profile the other guy, And I'm curious where you sit with him, JJ, and that I'll want to bring up here because I'm gonna lead off with this. He has no pass game utility, Like projecting him to have any type of pass game utility is wish casting at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: Let me guess, Let me guess the direction you're going here, Let me guess. Are you going Dwayne McBride here?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, you got it? You got it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you into him?

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Speaker 2: I'm into him. I'm into him, And I'm curious where he goes in the NFL draft, Like I think his draft capital could surprise and he goes like round three to an NFL team that would not shock me at all because the way that I break down these players, like, yes, his past game utility is total wish casting. My thought, the guy got ten targets in college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, point yeah, I mean it's bad.

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Speaker 2: It's bad. But the other part of his prospect profile is if you look at him on early downs, if his tackle breaking trains to the NFL oo Like Douay, McBride has been top twelve in every efficiency metric that I care about, from tackle breaking like yards are to contact present breakaway percentage PFF lucifer. He's top twelve in all of these over the last two seasons. So from a production standpoint, he looks fantastic in that ILK. So I'm not forecasting an extremely high season, but I'll kind of lean into my best comp for him, which was Damien Harris. Could he go to an NFL team get two hundred, two hundred and fifty carries double digit touchdowns in one year. I think it's possible for Dwayne McBride, and I'm curious where he goes in the NFL draft and how the NFL kind of looks at him.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at him for my Mailbag episode that is dropping on Friday. You guys will hear this episode after the fact, but I was looking at him for a question on that and the one thing that sort of concerned me is that typically and I think this is sort of like a Devin singletary situation, or I guess there's there's some running backs historically that we've seen where they didn't have a huge, huge receiving profile in terms of just raw receptions and reception share, et cetera, but a lot maybe Kenneth Walker is a better example. You know, Kenneth Walker didn't have the best receiving profile in terms of receptions raw receptions, but he was getting just an obscene amount of work on the ground where you could at least tell yourself a story that the team didn't want to utilize him or overutilize him because he was getting so much work on the ground. Whereas with Dwayne McBride, his raw volume isn't that absurd. It's not as absurd as I thought it would be. And that's what scares me a little bit, aside from the fact that he has the seventh worst reception share that my model's database has has seen, so like, I get it. I think that McBride, though, is someone that I hate to use this as a cop out, someone who's gonna be probably more of a best ball asset moving forward, even in Dynasty where he could just be a touchdown score. It could be a good goal line guy, which is totally fine. And you know, you can make the argument that Damien Harris has been that way, you know, so far throughout his career too, So I can see that for sure. I just am such a sucker for the receiving numbers that McBride has been someone that I've just kind of pushed aside and said, I think someone else is probably gonna like him a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's probably a similar bucket. Like I'm not over the moon for him. I have him right now at RB ten, but in a similar bucket. Again, I'm not over the moon on him. But again, like you're talking about, could he end up like if you take the late dart throw and Ricky drafts and he falls in that type of bucket where his value in Dynasty will not eclipse like trade value and such will not eclipse with the production that he offers you. And so that married where you're probably not gonna have to spend more than like a third round rookie. YEA, get him, then it's probably the juice is worth a squeeze. De bro.

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